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Speaker 1: Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Another Quest Love Mini here Me and Opened My Eagle. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so I have a question. Now, I'm very familiar with

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Speaker 2: the sort of reputation or the lure of the Good

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Speaker 2: Life Cafe movement, of which you sort of come into

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Speaker 2: the picture doing the second phase of.

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Speaker 1: It after the after life period.

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Speaker 2: One, can you explain to me the difference between the

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Speaker 2: two events and just start there?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't go to the Good Life, but I

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Speaker 3: know all about it because it was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's the Housyon days of the rap family that I

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Speaker 3: belonged to. So the Good Life Cafe was a literal

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Speaker 3: place called the Good Life Cafe on Exposition in Crenshaw

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Speaker 3: that was a health food store and they did an

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Speaker 3: open mic on Thursday nights that all of the rappers all.

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Speaker 1: Around the city.

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Speaker 3: It's very I'm sure that word was said very many nights,

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Speaker 3: right right many. I'm sure that place smelled like incense.

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Speaker 3: B Hall who ran it, and I forgot the young

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Speaker 3: man's name who ran it with her, and you know,

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Speaker 3: everybody from Freestyle Fellowship sort of started there. The Unity Committee,

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Speaker 3: which ended up becoming Jurassic five volume chilling villain Empire

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Speaker 3: like far Side. I never saw video of Farside on

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Speaker 3: the stage, but I'm sure they were there because some

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Speaker 3: of what was happening at Farside Manor was musicians and

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Speaker 3: rappers who were at the Good Life, So I'm sure

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Speaker 3: they were there and part of that as well.

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Speaker 1: Would the alcoholics also be missed.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about the alcoholics connection. I think Exhibit

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Speaker 3: was around there. Okay, I'm not sure if the alcoholics

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Speaker 3: were so, but definitely the Living Legends uh so Mers

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Speaker 3: and and uh and Eli and the Grouch and all

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Speaker 3: of them were around there to the l A component,

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Speaker 3: because the other component of the Liver Legends came from

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Speaker 3: the Bay with the Mister Journeyman.

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Speaker 1: And this is a gathering every week every week.

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Speaker 3: It was where they established the sort of rules of

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Speaker 3: the La open mic, which was please pass the mic.

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Speaker 3: If you weren't rocking it right, the crowd would direct

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Speaker 3: you to get off stage, like the Apollo kind of situation.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, if you didn't come with it, if you

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Speaker 3: didn't come with it, because these were this was high

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Speaker 3: level rapping. This is high level rapping people coming off

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Speaker 3: the head with the craziest styles you could ever imagine

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Speaker 3: my lyrical styles and they and they were establishing like

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Speaker 3: a new sort of technical language of rap. Like one

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Speaker 3: of their rules was like no digities. So you know

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Speaker 3: how dos Effects was doing, they would do you off

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Speaker 3: stage for doing You had to say real words in

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Speaker 3: your in your in your topping of syllables, broth inside

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Speaker 3: of the cheap You couldn't cheat. So you know, famously,

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Speaker 3: other rappers would come from all around the country to

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Speaker 3: happening and a lot of cast was getting signed out

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Speaker 3: of there. Okay, so you know, Fat Joe famously got

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Speaker 1: Stage of the Good Life he did.

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Speaker 3: He did why famously because he wasn't rapping good likes.

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Speaker 3: That's why that would happen. The Grave Diggers were there

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Speaker 3: early on, like there's a there's a great they did great.

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Speaker 3: I mean you can hear it Grim Reaper to poetic

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Speaker 3: rest in Peace, you can hear it in his style.

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Speaker 3: He picked up something there with the way, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: a very good lifestyle like that volume ten. The way

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Speaker 3: ice Cube started rapping when he was doing the was

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Speaker 3: it Gorilla's in the Midst or whatever.

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Speaker 3: That's Volume ten style from a Good Life.

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Speaker 2: Can you what is the legend of Volume tim My.

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Speaker 2: I'm only familiar with Volume ten because he got the

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Speaker 2: that's how I heard of Allington. I know he's legendary,

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Speaker 2: song Pistol Grip Pump that was huge. Pistol grip pump

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Speaker 3: Like it was like outside of Doctor Dre's circle, it.

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Speaker 2: Was like the g Funk Joint, see Okay, coming from

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Speaker 2: I wish like there's a whole bunch of like I

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Speaker 3: And really didn't get that. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 3: didn't make it to the East coast, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. So like I had to, I had to

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Speaker 2: All right, let me let me car jack a little

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Speaker 2: bit because you said something I always wanted to know about.

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Speaker 2: So for the roots in my mind, the way that

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Speaker 1: You know, we have the Northeast.

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Speaker 2: On lockdown, yep, from Maine to about DC, Virginia because

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Speaker 2: we were a college.

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Speaker 3: Bed, right, But North Carolina too, I would imagine, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some parts of Carolina's we would hit like a

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Speaker 1: And that's a very hard thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Like, once you do a show in a city, you're

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Speaker 2: your show, if you want that same response in that

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Speaker 2: same audience, come back of meat scarcity.

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Speaker 1: Marketing, right, because the more you keep doing it.

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Speaker 2: So we got lucky because we were able to hide,

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Speaker 2: roots of the fujis aren't coming to see the roots

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Speaker 2: open up for beck or rage against the machine. So

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Speaker 2: there was always you were able to overlap in the market. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a weirdo white act of the beck ilk and then

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Speaker 2: and college gigs don't count because they're in their uncontained world.

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Speaker 2: But my whole point is that we have that on lockdown.

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Speaker 1: Gets a little weird. In the Midwest. Yeah, like we

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Speaker 2: But there's a giant gap in the Midwest, huge gap.

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Speaker 1: So our routing was more like the Wu Tang W.

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Speaker 2: But for someone from California, what are the markets that

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Speaker 3: So we received you do La, you do San Diego,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Denver's tricky because it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a huge drive.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying, Like there's this gulf between

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Speaker 1: It's rough.

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Speaker 2: I'm realizing now and I gotta get Caro Lewis on

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Speaker 1: Do you know Caro Lewis?

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Speaker 1: Norby Walker's our agent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Caro Lewis is Okay, Yeah, So Carol Lewis was basically,

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Speaker 1: I see, she's basically the gold standard. Now.

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Speaker 2: She was so powerful that I know that she bullied

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't want to hear you.

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Speaker 2: three to about after the Fujis Goodie Mob the Score tour.

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Speaker 2: Then suddenly it was like you could take the training

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Speaker 2: very true if a member of Wu Tang would more

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Speaker 2: And then she just played hardball. And you can't even

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Speaker 2: and the money better be right too.

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Speaker 1: I've learned. I've learned the hard way. That's how a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she like forced us into wherever big college,

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Speaker 2: So Chicago and Milwaukee almost worn in the.

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Speaker 3: Same Yeah, it's like an hour and a half north.

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Speaker 3: It's not far enough to really warrant a huge another show.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: It's from the perspective of I've always been a tour bus,

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Speaker 1: But for you, you're driving these damn a minivan.

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Speaker 3: Guy, I've been on like four tours and a tour

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Speaker 3: We're in a minivan and you're driving. I drive a lot.

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Speaker 3: I like driving, though.

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Speaker 2: I love driving to I don't have the experience of

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Speaker 1: Next time we talk, I want to talk about I

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Speaker 2: What was weird for someone that's not senior show to

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Speaker 2: actually feel as though your albums could be like Vignette's

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Speaker 3: I did like a little one man thing around my

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know why, Like I gotta get the

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