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Speaker 3: O's is amazing. Oh's Peerlman, aka the Mentalist, has his

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Speaker 3: just second, and so Mulner's like waiting patiently for Don

438
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Speaker 3: Henley to turn around. Finally he's standing there and Don

439
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,359
Speaker 3: Henley turns around and he says hey, and John goes, hey,

440
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 3: how you doing?

441
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 2: You were ready? You were locked and loaded Moulder.

442
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,280
Speaker 1: He followed it up quickly saying A Hotel California is

443
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,360
Speaker 1: my favorite karaoke song.

444
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 3: Anyway, I just always thought that was such a funny story.

445
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 2: You were shell shocked. Though I've had that happen.

446
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: It's funny because I've been starstruck by people that like

447
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 1: when I've listened to podcasts, there's people I've listened to

448
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,400
Speaker 1: podcasts for years that I've met them, and it's such

449
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 1: a weird intimate space that I didn't want to say,

450
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,640
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I've just heard you talk so many

451
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 1: times that it's almost strange where you'll freeze up in

452
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: those situations. Yeah, but at the end of the day,

453
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 1: people are people, so hopefully you can break through that

454
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of life.

455
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Speaker 3: Don Henley was not impressed, and he started around and

456
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 3: walked away. But anyway, so let me get back to

457
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Speaker 3: some of you.

458
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Speaker 1: You'll meet him again, I predict it now, and he

459
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 1: will be ready for you. You will be ready for him.

460
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the good news.

461
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 3: So let's talk a little bit more about your biography.

462
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: If you well, I mean, so magic was your passion.

463
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 3: You didn't expect it to be a career path. You

464
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 3: didn't think you to earn a living doing magic. You

465
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 3: go to the University of Michigan, you graduate, and then

466
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 3: you end up going to work on Wall Street. So

467
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 3: tell me about that decision you made and sort of

468
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 3: the impact it had on your trajectory.

469
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Speaker 1: So I love when I meet people who are teenagers

470
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 1: and people are twenties who know what they're going to

471
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 1: do for their life. I'm just overwhelmed because I had

472
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: no idea. Trust me, it is still surreal where I'm like,

473
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm a mentalist for a living. It's still just as

474
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Speaker 1: weird as it sounds to you. Still pretty weird to

475
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: me at times because I didn't anticipate this at all.

476
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: Life works out in funny ways. But I was doing

477
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: this on the side while working on Wall Street. But

478
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 1: I kind of first generation immigrant. I came to the

479
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: States when I was three. I think my folks were

480
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 1: very pragmatic. It was you go to school, you get

481
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,199
Speaker 1: a job, and that's what you do, and that's what

482
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: was kind of drilled into me.

483
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 2: So I did not know.

484
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone in Hollywood or in show is

485
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: where I could picture myself as that's what I would

486
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 1: do for a living.

487
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: I didn't think that was possible, if that makes sense.

488
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: I didn't really have any mentors or anybody that could

489
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 1: just instill in me that switch saying, believe in yourself,

490
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: you can do this. So I was again, for better

491
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: or worse. My mom moved away, my dad moved away.

492
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: When I was sixteen, I graduated high school. I went

493
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 1: to Michigan right when I turned seventeen, and I paid

494
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: for school myself, which kind of sucked at the time

495
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: but has a silver lining at the moment because I

496
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: was a hustler, so I had businesses.

497
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Speaker 2: I ran on the side.

498
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: Either there's a chatter in my book where I talked

499
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 1: about removing in song Boat docks and all of these

500
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Speaker 1: things I did because I had to pay tuition, and

501
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: I had to pay for college with nobody paid. I

502
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: had to pay for everything, So I was doing magic

503
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: on the side, and I was always working, so my

504
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: default mode was networking.

505
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: I never allowed a business lead to slip.

506
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Speaker 1: I learned at a young age that if I hand

507
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: you a business card and you go, oh, we're gonna

508
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 1: have a Christmas party and you don't call me, why

509
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: didn't you call me? You know that rejection stung. So

510
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not gonna let my future be in

511
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: your hands. I'm gonna be the one who follows up.

512
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: And I learned that less than age fourteen. Oh, I

513
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: fake it till you make it. If somebody was like,

514
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, this would be amazing at a Christmas party, amazing,

515
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: let me take down your number right now, right. I

516
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: didn't have a cell phone, so like in the nineties,

517
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: and somebody on my team will call you. Did I

518
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: have a team? No, it was me myself and I

519
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have a driver's license. So literally, I decided

520
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: early on that when opportunities present themselves or I find them,

521
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: I never let them slip. Never let someone else be

522
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: in charge of your future success. No agent, no manager,

523
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: no boss. You need to be your number one cheerleader

524
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: in life. And I learned that by by you know,

525
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: wherever you want to describe it by virtual of the

526
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 1: fact that I had nobody really taking care of me,

527
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,239
Speaker 1: so I had to do that for myself. So when

528
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: I worked on Wall Street, I was always doing this

529
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Speaker 1: on the side.

530
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Speaker 2: So you kind of asked me, was I doing this?

531
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Speaker 1: I was doing this at cocktail hours, at happy hours,

532
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: at work. I went to like restaurants here. I had

533
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: four different restaurants that I worked at. I finished work

534
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: at six pm. I grew to a restaurant and I'm

535
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: doing tricks until ten pm.

536
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Speaker 2: That O, Bravo.

537
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: The Real Housewives of New York. There was a place

538
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: called t Bar on the Upper East Side. I met

539
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: all the Real Housewives, started getting with them, with Bethany,

540
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: with like Ramona, like this is old school, and I

541
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: just started building that name of doing tons of bar

542
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: and bought mitst Us Bridle showers and doing this all

543
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: on the side.

544
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Speaker 2: This was all side hustle for a few years while

545
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: I had a day job.

546
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: And was this still magic or you made this transitions

547
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: from being wanting to be a magician to being a menalist,

548
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: But initially you kind of thought menalists. You weren't impressed.

549
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh my God dreadfully boring. So yeah, magic is very

550
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: fun because you can do moves. Again, I liked sleight

551
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: of hand. I could like being able to sit and

552
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 1: just practice really fun weird facts. But I was so

553
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: obsessive with cards that I found cards that were waterproof

554
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: so I could practice in the shower. Okay, I am

555
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: not proud of that, Lamar. I was like, put that

556
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,719
Speaker 1: in the books so they understand what level of psycho

557
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: you are. So that was where the hustle came in.

558
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: But that was the passion to get the ten thousand hours.

559
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: Magic was fun because it was a puzzle. It was

560
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: fun to do. Mentalism has very little moves, there's no

561
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: sleight of hand, there's no like thing to do.

562
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: It's very cerebral.

563
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: It's analyzing how people think, how they behave, and how

564
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: you can influence them. So it's the closest parallel to

565
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: mind reading without any supernatural or psychic powers. So mentalism

566
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: is also very very difficult to get good at because

567
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: you can practice magic by yourself ad nauseum, and you

568
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: can get so good that when you go to someone

569
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: and do the trick, it will most likely work. Mentalism

570
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: is very challenging because you could go up to somebody

571
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: and blow it over and over and over.

572
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: You can't really practice at home that much.

573
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Just like a stand up comic doesn't know if they're

574
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: funny until an audience validates it.

575
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: They have to laugh at your joke.

576
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: But is it nature and nurture? I mean, in other words,

577
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: are certain people wired to be menalists or have some

578
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: of the traits you do, Because honestly, it's so much

579
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: more than reading people and understanding people. The stuff you

580
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: do is insane, thank you, it really is.

581
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: So.

582
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean, are some people more suited or kind of

583
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: more tuned in to other people, like their emotional intelligence

584
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 3: or their perception powers are just superior.

585
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: It's a great question.

586
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: I think everything I do is learnable, but some of

587
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: it is an innate talent. And I always give the

588
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: parallel of musical talent. So you could give me a

589
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: vocal coach for the next three years. If I sing,

590
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: everybody will leave this room. Okay, it's brutal. I will

591
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: never get to that level no matter how much I practice.

592
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: So I don't have an innate skill for music.

593
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: I wish I did. I love music.

594
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: I have an innate skill that I think everybody in

595
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: this room could potentially reach a certain ceiling if they

596
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: started learning mentalism. But are you willing to commit thirty

597
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: years to being the best at it and having a

598
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: relentless drive? And I think that honestly, the skills that

599
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: I found that have given me success, you can separate

600
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: them from what I do for a living. As a

601
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: mentalist can take a end diagram and remove the overlap.

602
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: And I think those core skills are what can give

603
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: you success at anything you do. And that's what I

604
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: try to distill from my life and put in the book.

605
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: It's not the mentalism. I truly believe that if you

606
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: took all the mentalist powers away right now, I can

607
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: go into a room.

608
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: I can win people over.

609
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: I can earn their trust, build rapport, create relationships that

610
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: are give and take where they want you. They want

611
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: to be your champion. Right Nobody achieved success in a vacuum.

612
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: The best thing you can ever do is be able to,

613
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, have strong relationships with people, connect with them

614
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: on a deep note, and they will elevate you. Every

615
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: person in this room who's attained a leadership position has

616
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: done it by working well with others in some way,

617
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: shape or form, or you wouldn't be there.

618
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of the skills of a mentalist.

619
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Speaker 3: Havi said that though you're kind of a natural extrovert.

620
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: Clearly I'm extroverted too, but a lot of people are

621
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: not as outgoing as you.

622
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: Know what you do in that case, Yeah, so I

623
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: think I think I think introvert extrovert is somewhat innate,

624
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: even though if you catch me in other environments, I

625
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: am myself right here, just this slightly exaggerated version. That's

626
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: if you met me day to day, you know me.

627
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm not like a different guy. It's the same person,

628
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: for better or worse. But I think that the way

629
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: you do it, and that the way if you really

630
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: boil down what it is about being around other people,

631
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: a fear of rejection and failure, that's what is at

632
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: the core of that. And that's something that I found

633
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: a way to rewire my brain when I was doing

634
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: those restaurants. And this is one of the skills in

635
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: the book that I teach you, which is everyone hates

636
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: being rejected. Right when I walked up to a table

637
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: and I was that age and they're like, get out

638
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: of here, kid. That hurts if you do that in

639
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: any guys in business, a sales lead, if you do

640
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: that in a your romantic life, you approach somebody and

641
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: they shoot you down. Man, does that hurt because what

642
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: are they saying. They're saying you're not good enough. So

643
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: here's what I did. I created a life hack in

644
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: my brain where I don't know how I did this.

645
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a split personality. To protect myself

646
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: and thick skin. I rewired my brain to say, you

647
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: know what, that person doesn't know me. They know Owes

648
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: the Magician, So whatever they felt didn't hurt me.

649
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm a different person.

650
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: I created this thing in my mind where I go,

651
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: really successful, you have an agent, right, you don't have

652
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: to do your contract negotiations, the dirty parts. You get

653
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: someone else to be bad cop, bad cop, good cop.

654
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: So I said in my brain, they don't dislike me,

655
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take it personally. They don't like Ohs

656
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Speaker 1: the Magician, and I started creating excuses. I go, maybe

657
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: their kids sick at home, maybe this. I started crecreating

658
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: all these reasons that it wasn't about me, it was

659
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: about them. And so I didn't take the pain personally,

660
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: and I could walk up to the next table and

661
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Speaker 1: feel good and not be like in this bad mood

662
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: with the next table and take it out on them.

663
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Speaker 2: Think of it this way. In your mind, you're in control.

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Speaker 2: You are in control.

665
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: If I gave you a bowl of water, and I

666
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: took salt and poured it in the bowl of water,

667
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: that's all salt water now. But what if you could

668
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: take a little piece of clear plexiglass put in the middle,

669
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Speaker 1: and you only pour salt in one side.

670
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: Now the other side is fresh water.

671
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Speaker 1: If you have the ability to control that, and what

672
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: you tell yourself in your mind is what you believe,

673
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: perception becomes reality. Confidence is gained by telling yourself positive things,

674
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: not telling oh my god, I'm so bad, I'm so this.

675
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: If you start telling yourself good things, you will naturally

676
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: feel better. When you run a marathon, there's a funny

677
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: thing they say, if you feel like crap, start smiling

678
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: and you're like screw you, start smn seriously, smile for

679
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: the next five minutes mile twenty to twenty sixth New

680
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: York City Marathon. I don't care how you feel. Smile,

681
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: say thank you to the volunteers, Be cheerful. Your brain

682
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: your body will change literally in your brain. You will

683
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: start feeling better. You can't smile for five minutes and

684
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: not start feeling slightly better than you did.

685
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Right. Your body is connected to your mind. So that's

686
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Speaker 2: what I started doing.

687
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Speaker 1: If you are an introvert, I would say to you,

688
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: challenge yourself today to do one thing you haven't done before.

689
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Right, challenge yourself.

690
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: See how you feel before, see how you feel after,

691
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: and you'll realize a lot of it is just dread that's.

692
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: Internal that evaporates when you give it a go.

693
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Speaker 3: Let's talk again about this transition from magic to menalism

694
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: or is that what it's called menalism? I mean, so

695
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: you're a little kid, you're doing magic. How did you

696
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: even know what meant what it was to be a menalist?

697
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: Did you know people who did this? How did you

698
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Speaker 3: make that transition?

699
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Speaker 1: So there's books, there's videos, I mean, that's how we learn,

700
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: kind of like there's conventions, which sounds so nerdy and

701
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: it is.

702
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: It's like what are two mentalists do in a room?

703
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: They don't talk, They just look at each other's smile,

704
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: make facial expressions. So I knew about it from teenage

705
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: years because there'd be lectures that came into my local

706
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: magic shop, but I just found it so boring. I'm like,

707
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: where's the moves, where's the gimmicks, where's the stuff to buy?

708
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: I was very in a different mind space at the time,

709
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: and then I had a mentor who kind of changed

710
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: my mind. But what happened is I was on a

711
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: show called America's Got Talent. Oh yeah, twenty fifteen.

712
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Speaker 3: But you you got on the third time, right, you

713
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: had to audition three times?

714
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: Saction third time was the charm? So whatever.

715
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I people that would tell me, oh, you got on

716
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: that show that made your career, Like, yet, have you

717
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: tried out? They're like, no, I tried out three times

718
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: before I got on. So again, that's a great way.

719
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: First time being out, second time doing it out, keep trying,

720
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: don't give up, be relentless, right if I have a goal.

721
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: This is again one of those things that I've rewired

722
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Speaker 1: my brain. I never say to myself when I hear

723
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: a no, I don't hear you.

724
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I literally Google translate.

725
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: I hear not yet, okay, not in a bad way,

726
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: not consent, but I'm saying like, sounded weird sound and weird,

727
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: but for things that have to do with my goals,

728
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: career oriented things that I am driven to do and achieve.

729
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: When somebody says no, I in my mind just think

730
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: not yet. I think not yet. The time is not right.

731
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: And even when people around you will say to you no,

732
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, don't be silly like you have a side hustle.

733
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: You have something you want to do.

734
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: You want to be CEO of this company one day,

735
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: and the people around you say that that's come on,

736
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: really though, I hear all that, and I just say

737
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: that's a not yet. I get two steps back. I'm

738
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: gonna find one step forward, and I'm gonna keep doing it.

739
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: Because again, if you tell yourself no, I know this

740
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: sounds silly, and I'm not trying to be new age

741
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: or man manifestor any of that, no brass tax. I'm

742
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: all about actionable advice. You are setting in stone in

743
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: your mind. The no, you're not finding the choices you're

744
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: going to make to get to that place. You're going

745
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: to give up too early. And so when I say

746
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: not yet, I'm going to keep looking for those paths up.

747
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: How can I eventually get this goal achieved? And finding

748
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: those opportunities, and it might not be for a month,

749
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: a year, a decade, but I am relentless. It's the

750
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: same spirit as why I do the ultra marathons. I'm

751
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: going to finish.

752
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: Did that attitude solidify when you kept getting rejected from

753
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: America's Got Talent or HGTS? I mean, did that reinforce

754
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: sort of your drive or your persistence?

755
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: So that was a funny one because that wasn't like

756
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: a long term goal. I just said I had a

757
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: few friends shout out to Buddy Jef Berman and his

758
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: brother Ariy because he's at Howard String. He's obsessed with

759
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Howard Stern. It's like, you got to get on the

760
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: show Howard Strees. A few of my friends just love Howard,

761
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: and I love Howard too. We know each other quite

762
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: well now. But he goes, you got to get on

763
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: the show. Howard's going to love you. And so I

764
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: decided I would try out, and I started watching the

765
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: show and then I kind of fell in love with it.

766
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: But the first time I went and tried out, I

767
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: was it didn't work out, and it wasn't under my control.

768
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Speaker 1: They brought me into a room and I had a

769
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: friend who knew a producer, and I got this like,

770
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, the casting call, the producer call where Velvet

771
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: wrote at the club, come on in, sir. I didn't

772
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Speaker 1: have to wait with five thousand other people for an

773
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Speaker 1: entire day. So it's the red carpet approach. It so nice.

774
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: But when I walked in, they didn't know what I do.

775
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: So they put me bless you.

776
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 2: I knew you. It's these right.

777
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: Then they put me in a room with a camera

778
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, go and I'm like, I'm not a singer,

779
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm a mind reader. I need to read someone's

780
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: mind or this is not going to be a good bit.

781
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: And so they bring in a PA. The PA's on

782
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: a headset. It's not going well. They're distracted. I'm like,

783
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be a stick in the mud.

784
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: I did not want to be my own advocate or

785
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: feel like a diva. So I allowed myself to perform

786
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: in a suboptimal environment.

787
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: It didn't go well. I walked out of there.

788
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, this stunk and I obviously didn't make it.

789
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: And so I learned right then again that same lesson

790
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: of you need to add for yourself. You need to

791
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: be your own champion if you keep waiting for others

792
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: to do it for you. And in our world, an agent,

793
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: a manager this that, yes, people can help you, but

794
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: I believe truly no one will ever help you as

795
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: much as you help yourself. So in that situation, I said,

796
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: the second time, I'm gonna go back. I'm going to

797
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: do a much better job. I'm going to be force full, direct,

798
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: but still go with the flow. But I need to

799
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: do what I need to succeed. Didn't go well again, right,

800
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: And that wasn't my fault. It was like minus twelve

801
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: degrees is in January. I wait outside for eight hours.

802
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't get in, so.

803
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: I had to go. I had a gig. I gotta

804
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: get paid. So then the third time I came in,

805
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: I didn't care. And I hear actors.

806
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of actors on podcasts where they say,

807
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I got the you know, the gig of my life.

808
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: I nailed the audition because I went in not caring.

809
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: I did not care if I got it or didn't.

810
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: Things were going pretty well in my life, and I

811
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: go if I didn't get it twice and things are

812
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: going well, who cares?

813
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: So is your advice don't care.

814
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say don't care because I was still very prepared.

815
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: But there is something about being nonchalant and being loose.

816
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: It's the same as an athlete.

817
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: An athlete that's tense, you know, does a false start,

818
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: and track and field are swimming and dques. The people

819
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: that can loosen themselves up. It's sports psychology if you

820
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: can allow muscle memory to kick in. I went in

821
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: there and I did tricks that I've done thousands of times.

822
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: I also, during the three years that I was not

823
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: on AGT, did nearly probably seven hundred shows, which allowed

824
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: me to get better and better. Every time I do

825
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: a show, I'm iterating, I'm seeing what worked what didn't work.

826
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: When audiences love me great, that feels good for my ego.

827
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't help me one bit. What helps me is

828
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: when things go wrong, right, that's the best. When you

829
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: lose as an athlete, you learn much better lessons. Same

830
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: thing for me. I have a lot of people in

831
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: my field, and we can become, for lack of better,

832
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: egomaniac because we're like reading people's minds. They're freaked out.

833
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: You get nothing but joy, like you're just doing fun things.

834
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: I am blessed with a life that is beyond lucky.

835
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: I get to work for myself. But as a mentalist,

836
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: people will tell you it's kind of like pizza. Even

837
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: if it's not that good, it's still pretty delicious. So

838
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: even a mentalist who's not that good, which I'm not

839
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: measuring success, you'll still be amazed. So some people I've

840
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: seen they buy it. Any dude, my show is so great,

841
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: was so grand? Like you didn't learn anything from that?

842
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Find what could have been improved? And it doesn't mean

843
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: you don't have joy. You can be a perfectionist while

844
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: still enjoying things, but see what you could have done better.

845
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: I always strive to improve.

846
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: You also talk a lot in the book about visualization,

847
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: right and kind of positive thinking. We've heard a little

848
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: bit about that, how you don't hear no and you

849
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: imagine that plexiglass and the bowl of water was salt

850
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: on one side, not on the other. But how can

851
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: you actually visualize again, I know you want to give

852
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: practical advice, so how can you visualize success?

853
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: So you just hit the nail on the head, which

854
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest parts. What is success like?

855
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: Literally for my goal of my definition of success probably

856
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: differs from almost every other person in this room. And

857
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm uniquely qualified because that's why

858
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: I do. I get inside people's heads. So part of

859
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: the book is I just try to get inside your

860
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: head and help you do it. Figure out what is

861
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: success for you, because so many of the things that

862
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: we think are success when we get them aren't always

863
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: what we really wanted. It's a funny thing when you

864
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: achieve your goals, you realize was that really my goal?

865
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: To begin with?

866
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: I've had so many people I've talked to like, oh,

867
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: I want to make this much money, and I go,

868
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: what does that actually mean?

869
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: Though? Why do you want to make that much money?

870
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: What will that do for you?

871
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: And then we can break down the steps the same

872
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: way that when you run a marathon, the first step

873
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: tends to be the hardest one getting to the start line.

874
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: So to answer that question, you need to find measurable

875
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: goals along the way, quantifiable goals, big pie in the

876
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: sky goals of like I want a better job, what

877
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,479
Speaker 1: does that mean?

878
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

879
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: Because when I was kind of coming up, I wanted

880
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: to quit my job on Wall Street. At some point

881
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: said I don't want to do this. So I said

882
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: to myself, how am I going to do that? Right?

883
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: Like, I'm in job and I've got bills.

884
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: And I at that point, I wasn't married and have kids,

885
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: so I was in a very lucky position versus now

886
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: it would be daunting if I had to.

887
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Quit and keep my nose corporations.

888
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to quit, everybody, but whatever goal

889
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: it is that you want to achieve, I started. I

890
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: had somebody who's a magician stand in front of me

891
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: and break down my bs for me. He didn't even

892
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: do it to be nice. He just goes, you, what

893
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: are you still doing working at that job?

894
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you

895
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: love it?

896
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: And he started asking me these very pointed yes or

897
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: no questions that I in the book tell you to

898
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: ask yourself.

899
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: And I go, well, I don't know, you know, I

900
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: never thought of it that way.

901
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: I love it's a job. And he goes, do you

902
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: want to be doing this in twenty years? And my

903
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: gut reflex was no. And he goes, well do you

904
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: love performing? I go yes, and he goes, so what's

905
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: the problem right now? Well, I make this much money

906
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: and he goes, okay, so how much do you need

907
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: to make? And I like, I never thought of this stuff.

908
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: It's so silly, But so much of the time you're

909
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: an autopilot. Life is so busy that you don't stop

910
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: to think what do I really want in a year,

911
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: in five years and ten years.

912
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: It's so far in the future.

913
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: Especially so many young faces you're starting your career, think

914
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? So I started defining

915
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: it and I just came up with this number and

916
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to make this much money.

917
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: And to me, it was just like the silly throw

918
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: out there goes all right, how much you make it? Now?

919
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, what are we getting naked here?

920
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Like I just told him everything, and then he goes,

921
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: so it looks to me like you need to book

922
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: one more show per week in charge ten percent more?

923
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Can you do that?

924
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: And it was just it's so silly, but it was

925
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: so eye opening that when it was put that way,

926
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, yeah, fit, I can do that, and

927
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: it goes, so what's the problem. And it's just if

928
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: you can have somebody open your eyes and give you

929
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: realizations of what it is you really want define it

930
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: and then start taking measurable steps in that direction, you

931
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: can start to achieve it. And so I wasn't like

932
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: a special unique person. I just set myself up for success.

933
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: Especially in college. I was working three jobs. I had

934
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: my own business. I was working like all different stuff

935
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: to save money because whenever it was going on like

936
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: a vacation or they had a car, I bought my

937
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: car for two grand in cash that I worked. Again,

938
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you, I'm not comparing, but I delayed

939
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: gratification and didn't go on like vacations. When they went

940
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: on spring break, I was eating ramen and rice with

941
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: ketchup with My life is so grossed out, so that

942
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: don't admit that.

943
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I had no money.

944
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: I want to save this money so that then when

945
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity came and I wanted to quit my job,

946
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: I had a nest egg to give me a runway

947
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: for a year that if I hadn't maybe I wouldn't

948
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: have done that. Maybe you and I would not be

949
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: talking right now if I hadn't done that, and I'd

950
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: be middle management at a Wall Street company. There's worse

951
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: things to me, But that wasn't my destiny. And I

952
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: had to make those steps happen.

953
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: How hard is it to earn a living as a menalist?

954
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: So that's difficult question because I can't really define what

955
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: the average mentalist is doing for you.

956
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: For me, it's going very well.

957
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: But uh, I'm very blessed and I can't complain, like, yeah,

958
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: things are going very well.

959
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: And part of it is you wanted to control your

960
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: own schedule. You've got five kids, you didn't want to

961
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 3: be away from your family so much, and you wanted

962
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: to really have much more control of your life. Yes,

963
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 3: I know that you've had positive experiences out in the world,

964
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: but you also talk about some of the disastrous ones.

965
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: And one was that my former place of employment, the

966
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: Today's show, Oh my God, when things didn't go so

967
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: well when you appeared and my friend Al Roker kind

968
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: of tripped you up. Yep, what happened.

969
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So live TV, which you know so well, is live.

970
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 1: There is no like do over, time out, and there's

971
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: a clock running right there and the clock doesn't stop

972
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: for anyone. And so for me, when I'm performing, I

973
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: can get more time to get myself out of a situation.

974
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: So as I've learned and I've got to answer your

975
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: question in two parts. I don't mean to duck it.

976
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: But you said when things go wrong. So what I've

977
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: learned over time is that define wrong. You only know

978
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: if something's wrong if you know what right was supposed

979
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: to be. We here's what I mean. You don't know

980
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna pick your own adventure.

981
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: Right.

982
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: If you're playing sports, you win or you lose. What

983
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: I do has shades of gray. So if I don't

984
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: define where I'm going with it, I can do this

985
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: and this and oh.

986
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: My god, I duck and weaven.

987
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: You don't realize something went completely wrong because I went

988
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: to a different ending.

989
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: It's the director's cut.

990
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: So I've learned how to kind of misdirect you from

991
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: what might go wrong. Does that make sense? So I've

992
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: had shows go wrong that people in your arts have

993
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: no idea. I just totally fumbled, but it went amazing

994
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: because you didn't realize that was my third backup.

995
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: The third backup still look great.

996
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: So in this situation, because this is going back seven

997
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: or eight years ago, I took a very big, big swing.

998
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: There is no backup. If it doesn't work, you should

999
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: watch this clip.

1000
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: But I have al I think it was Tameran. I

1001
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: want to forget anyone. I think it was Chanelle.

1002
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember everybody that was with me, but I

1003
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: had this bit where I had magazines like dump a

1004
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: bunch of magazines, old magazines on the table. Pick anyone

1005
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: you want, flip to any page, pick any word you want,

1006
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: change your mind as many times. And it was a

1007
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: presidential election, and I said, pick any word right now,

1008
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: change your mind. We're on live TV, so nobody thinks

1009
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: we set this up. That's the key, change your mind.

1010
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: And so I think Tameran Hall has it, and not

1011
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: to believe with the point, I said, al right, now

1012
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna run for president in the next election. Who's

1013
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: it going to be? And right at that moment, I'm

1014
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to rip my shirt and reveal it. And

1015
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: he goes George Clooney and there's like twenty seconds left

1016
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: on the clocks. Learn my T shirt does not have

1017
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: a picture of George Clooney on it. Okay, so what

1018
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: should be happening right now? My heart rate if you

1019
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: had me in like a whoop or something, was like

1020
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety. But what I've learned And what's

1021
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: very funny is that my running, which people always say

1022
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: does that have any parallel? It does is I can

1023
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: maintain a very low heart rate. It's very similar to

1024
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: sniper that. Now I'm serious. I'm actually not joking because

1025
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: the training is similar that my body does not show

1026
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: panic when I feel it. Now, I know you think

1027
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: this is silly, but humans can detect panic by almost

1028
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: by sense of smell and sight. You can detect when

1029
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: someone's tense, and it gives you attention because it goes

1030
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: to our animal instincts.

1031
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: It's fight or flight.

1032
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: So if I get tense, I know it doesn't sound

1033
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: like it, you will sense it, and I will go

1034
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: into a spiral where it literally will sink the trick

1035
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: because I'm influencing you. The more casual, the more we're relaxed,

1036
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: the more I can influence your thoughts. It's actually it

1037
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: works based on how you feel. That's what I'm doing.

1038
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: So if al Roker noticed that I'm panicking, it's gonna

1039
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: go downhill. So I'm totally nonchalant and I just say

1040
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: to him, Elle, and you can see the book where

1041
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: I go, it's gotta be a guy that and he

1042
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: started feeling like, oh my god, why I had to

1043
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: say it had to be a guy. He almost felt

1044
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: like he offended, and I go, oh oh, and he

1045
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: just changes in the time the clock is almost down,

1046
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: I go, who's it gonna be? I I'm changing It's

1047
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. And right then I rip over my shirt

1048
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: and it's a picture of Taylor Swift and he changed mine.

1049
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: And then I said, quick, tell me what's the slogan

1050
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna be of her campaign? And Tammer goes, I don't know.

1051
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: I picked the word independence. And I turn around and

1052
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: at the top it says hashtag independence.

1053
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: So they freaked out.

1054
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: They bumped the next segment, okay, which does not happen

1055
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: off it on the Today Show author the poor author

1056
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: who saw me in the green raft. I'm like, I'm

1057
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: so sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm not sorry, but i'm sorry.

1058
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I get four more minutes on TV. And so they

1059
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: had a debrief because they could not like their brain

1060
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: was melted because the T shirt couldn't change. She could

1061
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: have picked any word. She even swore that she changed

1062
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: her mind at the last moment to that word. So

1063
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: they needed to understand how could this have happened? And

1064
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: the reason that that played so strong is because of

1065
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: the danger the dangerous that could have gone wrong.

1066
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: It almost did.

1067
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: And to answer your question, the lessons I learned there

1068
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: is one, have better backup plans in the future. Second,

1069
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: you need to stay calm. You need to stay calm,

1070
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: and that's a great lesson in life. I am just

1071
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: like everybody else here. I get pissed off. I am

1072
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 1: on the verge of writing a nasty email to somebody.

1073
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: You know what I do?

1074
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: I remove them from the two line yes, and I

1075
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: put an alarm in one day. I'm a huge I'm

1076
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: psychotic with alarms. I do alarms on Alexa. I do

1077
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: alarms on my phone. It is a like hidden gem,

1078
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: and I go in twenty four hours. If I still

1079
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: feel the same way, I'm gonna hit send. And that's

1080
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: very few and far between. If I ever sent that

1081
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: exact same email a day later, I don't act in anger.

1082
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: Can I give you one.

1083
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: More little little please? So this one I call fast

1084
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Speaker 1: forward the feelings. I am a major procrastinator. Everyone's gonna think,

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00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: oh man, this guy's energetic. Get my wife up here.

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Speaker 1: She's like, no, he's full of crap. He doesn't do

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Speaker 1: the things he doesn't like to do, because going and

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Speaker 1: running twenty miles I enjoy, even though it sounds nuts.

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Speaker 1: But things I don't enjoy are confrontation. I don't like confrontation.

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Speaker 1: I don't like when I have to call somebody and

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Speaker 1: give them bad news. I'll dread it. I'll avoid it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has their things they don't like to do, so

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00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: I will procrastinate the things I don't like. I now

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00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: have forced myself to say, right now, how do I

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00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: feel anxiety?

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Speaker 2: One to ten?

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Speaker 1: Dread about doing this thing I don't want to do,

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00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, I'm a seven right now, God,

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00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, And I'll put an

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Speaker 1: alarm and say rank firing or whatever you're gonna do,

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00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: rank doing this thing twenty four hours from now, and

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00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: then I'll go I'm doing it right now. I do

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00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: the call, I handle it, and then done. And then

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Speaker 1: when the alarm goes off, I've forgotten about this. The

1105
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: next day, I look at the thing. How do I feel?

1106
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm a one or two? And so what just happened?

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00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: Everybody think about this, because your brain is the most

1108
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: amazing processor and computer in the world. Nothing happened, but

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00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: time feelings you're in control of. So how do I

1110
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: feel now after I did it? I don't feel any

1111
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: anxiety or dread. So if I can just take this

1112
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: and trick my brain the same way I trick your

1113
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: brains when I perform, I'm gonna feel like that now.

1114
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: So what I do is I just fask on my feelings.

1115
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: Right when I feel the dread, I go, I know

1116
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm a seven or eight. Now that's fake. I'm gonna

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00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: feel like a one or two tomorrow. So I just

1118
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: say to myself, Nope, I'm gonna handle this now. I'm

1119
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna feel so much better. And I force myself not

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Speaker 1: to procrastinate. And I'm telling you, just do it. Just

1121
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: do it with one thing in the next forty eight hours.

1122
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: Try it with an alarm, get it on your phone.

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00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: I know it sounds so silly, but it's you have

1124
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: to actually try this, just like my kid has to

1125
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: touch a stove once to feel what it's like. You

1126
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: can't explain it to that, but I haven't done that

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00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: to my children.

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Speaker 2: Don't call. But but you have to learn. You have

1129
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: to learn it.

1130
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Speaker 1: So I did that a few times with the alarm,

1131
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: with the whole bit that I just told you. And

1132
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: as soon as you do and you realize the dread

1133
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: is just in your mind. The procrastination for so many

1134
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: things is just your own thing. It's taking the first step.

1135
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: That's always the hardest part for procrastinators like me. It's

1136
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: getting over the first thing and then starting the same

1137
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: as writing the book, writer's block was killing me, and

1138
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: then I realized I don't like sitting in a computer,

1139
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: So I've dictated the whole book while running. The whole

1140
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: book was while running, true.

1141
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 3: You're insane. If you want to get smarter every morning

1142
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: with a breakdown of the news and fascinating takes on

1143
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: health and wellness and pop culture, sign up for our

1144
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: daily newsletter, Wake Up Call by going to Katiecuric dot com.

1145
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: Does anyone have a question for before he does his thing?

1146
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: Do we have time for a quick question?

1147
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 2: Oh?

1148
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 3: We have shy people here, anybody.

1149
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: Seriously, I've never not been running question. John already asked

1150
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: me what's the powerball numbers?

1151
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Boy? I got here, go bigger, go home.

1152
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 3: So's the question was? Did he have a backro?

1153
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: So I have backup plans?

1154
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: Because again I'm planting thoughts, so I'm not just so

1155
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: he is going down a path where there's six different roads,

1156
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: eight different roads.

1157
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: I've limited him to a very few. That's truly the case.

1158
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: He went down the wrong one, so I had to

1159
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: find a way to get him to think that he

1160
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: went down the right one. It could have gone wrong.

1161
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm swearing to you on my life. There was no

1162
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: way that if that went wrong, the clock ends, we

1163
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: go to commercial. If I had two more minutes, I

1164
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: could have fixed it, no matter what.

1165
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: But the backup plan always needs more time.

1166
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: Other than this, Savana at Horizon Media, what was the

1167
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: coolest thing you were if you ever got to.

1168
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: Do the silver Metal? That is a tough one. There is.

1169
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's the same.

1170
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: I think that one of the moments that really changed

1171
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: my view of myself was America's Got Talented Finale.

1172
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: It was at Radio City Music Hall. I did. If

1173
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: you watch it, it's this thing. It was pretty wild.

1174
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: It had like these colored different colored chairs, and it's

1175
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: not my favorite trick I've ever done, but it was

1176
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Speaker 1: so risky and the producers know exist eactly how you

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Speaker 1: do it because they have somebody on staff who's like me,

1178
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: who's a magic and mentalist producer and we're talking.

1179
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: About it and he's like, dude, this could go so wrong,

1180
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: and like what are you? How are you?

1181
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: And you know, And that's been one of my skills

1182
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: is I'm willing to take risks that others don't. So

1183
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: when you could ask to compare mentalists, I'm willing to

1184
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: take big risks because big risks lead to big rewards

1185
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: and you have to really believe in yourself. So I

1186
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: took a big risk there and it could have gone

1187
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: so wrong. It came like just like that Al Roker.

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Speaker 1: If you knew the behind the scenes, it was like

1189
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: a razor's edge. And then when it finished, just the relief,

1190
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Speaker 1: the joy, and just the validation because I'm in New York.

1191
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: This is my city, right, this is where I came

1192
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: here when I was twenty one. This feels like home.

1193
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: If you can make it here, you make it anywhere.

1194
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm in radio City and you use a call and

1195
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: just like the reaction the There's been so many amazing

1196
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: things since being on before the Super Bowl, having my

1197
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Speaker 1: own show, like there's a lot of Emmy Like, there's

1198
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: been a lot of things I've been very meaningful, But

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Speaker 1: that moment right there was just like I started like

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Speaker 1: Neo and the Matrix to be like, I believe I'm

1201
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: actually wor the of doing this. Before that I didn't

1202
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: really Okay, I'm good at this, but this validated me.

1203
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, go ahead.

1204
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Mall.

1205
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: Fools me. Yeah, yeah, yes, did.

1206
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: You have that question? You guys? Did you all hear that?

1207
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: John's like, can you just tell me?

1208
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: Low key like Mike's off, This room's cool, I'll sign

1209
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: an NBA.

1210
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: How's the card in the orange?

1211
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: Let's do something, so Katie, I always like to be transparent, right,

1212
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: journalistic integrity. When we're in the other room, I asked Katie,

1213
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: and I said, I want you to picture this. And

1214
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I said that throughout the course of the interview, I'm

1215
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: hoping to plant little thoughts in her mind. Now, I

1216
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: don't think that she's gonna backtrack this and see how

1217
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: but I told you that during the interview, I would

1218
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: ask you to imagine yourself in a room for potentially

1219
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: a milestone birthday. It doesn't have to elstone birthday, just

1220
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: be in my but a room with all the people

1221
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: you care about, but a big room where you invite

1222
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Speaker 1: people from all different parts of your life, family, friends,

1223
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: people you've probably worked with, people you've interacted with. You know,

1224
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: these are people close to you that could be famous, fields,

1225
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: all different people that in your life. If you were

1226
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: throwing a big bash and a big celebration, you would

1227
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: want them there. Can you right now? And this is

1228
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: in the moment. Okay, this is what I call spontaneous

1229
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: and impulsive. Can you start to see faces of various

1230
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: people in this room? And obviously you've to make a

1231
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: whole guest list, but can you start seeing and imagining

1232
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: certain people in this room? So see someone right now, Okay,

1233
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: a man, a woman, See somebody else, see somebody else,

1234
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: and imagine you're turning, walking around them, You're waving, you're

1235
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: saying hi, you see, oh my god, see that person.

1236
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: Give me a little act. Yeah, look at that Katie smile.

1237
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, I haven't seen it so long.

1238
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: When suddenly, this is the part I want. I said

1239
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: the visualization exercise. You're turned this way and somebody taps

1240
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: you on the shoulder. Okay, you get this tap on

1241
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: the shoulder, you turn around and you look who it is,

1242
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: and you look this person right in the eye.

1243
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: Can you visualize this person's face? Can you see them,

1244
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: I can so watch there's right away. This is fifty

1245
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: to fifty. But I know it's a female. Is it

1246
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: a female?

1247
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: Yes, of course it is. How did I know body language?

1248
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: If it was a guy, there's typically a different touch,

1249
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: a hair touch. Right, John's like, who is this guy?

1250
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: All right?

1251
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: Think of her first name, and I want you to

1252
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: count the number of letters in her first name, just

1253
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: to yourself.

1254
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: Do it within your mind. So the nod was.

1255
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: Relatively quick, right in essence, she said I'm done counting

1256
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: without saying it out loud, but she didn't take a

1257
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: really long time. If this is a long name, Alexandra, right,

1258
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: if this is a very short name, it's three or

1259
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: four letters, you don't really count that.

1260
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: You just know it.

1261
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: So you know, just by what I just told you

1262
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: that this name is typically five, six or seven letters.

1263
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: Look at her, she's looked a little nervous.

1264
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: Right, it's un right obviously, And then I actually see

1265
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: with five letters, isn't it? Yes, think of the different

1266
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: letters in the name. Now we're playing a game of hangman.

1267
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: See the five letters, and I want you to mix

1268
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: them around so they're not in the right order. And

1269
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: I want you to stop, and I want you to

1270
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: just reach up. And I always like to see this.

1271
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: You're indecisive about it. You know, I don't know which one.

1272
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't know which one. And then you just grab

1273
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: out one letter? Did you just grab a letter out

1274
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: of her first name?

1275
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: Do you want me to actually pretend to grab a letter?

1276
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: Sure?

1277
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: It went look at this all method over here. I

1278
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: did channeling Meryl Streep. So if you if you now again,

1279
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: you didn't do the first letter?

1280
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 2: Did you know? So?

1281
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: How did I know that? Because Katie's too she's a journalist.

1282
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: She realizes that if she gave the first letter away,

1283
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: the name becomes so much easier. Also, I said in

1284
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: the name, as soon as you say that, nine out

1285
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: of ten, nobody will do the first letter. It feels

1286
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: like it's got to be in the middle. Did you

1287
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: do the last letter?

1288
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: Yes?

1289
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: I knew it in but she does.

1290
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: To the end, and then you're gonna retry only one

1291
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: one letter in the whole alphabet?

1292
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: Elicits a question, a question line? How are you right?

1293
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: That feeling of a question?

1294
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: You raise your eyebrows, you notice a why you're thinking

1295
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: a letter?

1296
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: Why aren't you?

1297
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, close your eyes? Please can everybody in the room.

1298
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: See it, Katie, open your eyes. Swear to us, this

1299
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: is not stage, This is not set up. You could

1300
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: have picked anybody you wanted. In fact, you just saw

1301
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: all different people in this room in that moment.

1302
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: Am I right?

1303
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: There's you could have thought of anybody that could have

1304
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: been attending your birthday party?

1305
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: True story true? What's her first name?

1306
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: Wendy?

1307
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: Wendy.

1308
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Now imagine that when you turn around, you turn around,

1309
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: you see Wendy. And now if it was a birthday party,

1310
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm still holding the why no, no, throw the throw

1311
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: the wine.

1312
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: Kay's like, I'm so freaked. I don't in my hands

1313
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: right now watching me.

1314
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: Most people when they see you at a birthday party,

1315
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: they go happy birthday, right, that's the standard. They go

1316
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: Happy birthday. And that's what you'd expect. That's look this

1317
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: way at me. Wendy sees you. She tapped you on

1318
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: the shoulder. You don't know who would be until you

1319
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: turn around.

1320
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 2: You saw her face.

1321
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: You filled in the blanks, and imagine that when she

1322
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: does that, she says happy birthday.

1323
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: You look into each other's eyes. That was it.

1324
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: Create memorable moments somebody will never forget. She didn't say

1325
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: happy birthday, Katie. She said happy birthday, cats, didn't she? Yes,

1326
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: she calls you cats? Yes, how did you know that?

1327
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: Hold the applause in apparently.

1328
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: Well, do you have the piece of paper? John has

1329
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: the piece of paper?

1330
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: Wait?

1331
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: Hold on, I want to try one thing we had

1332
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: people in the audience. How about we'll try one last

1333
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: thing here. We'll have a fun one everyone in this audience.

1334
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I like to ask people a question.

1335
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: I asked you a.

1336
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: Question if you could sit down and have dinner with

1337
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: somebody famous, sit down or have an interview with somebody

1338
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: famous right dead or alive, man, woman, whatever, fascinating question.

1339
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: Who'd you have dinner with? Who'd you want to sit

1340
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: down with? This is a fascinating question. I like to

1341
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: ask people this question. Have you heard this before? You've

1342
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: heard this before? People have heard this. It's an interview question.

1343
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: It's one of those ones that gets you thinking. All right,

1344
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: nod your head. If you've thought of somebody some of

1345
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: you did? Quick, So you did it?

1346
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: Yes?

1347
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, range your end. If you have somebody, give

1348
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: me a hand up. Okay, beautiful, let's see how about

1349
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: right over. I'm going to go one more time. Hand up,

1350
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: let's seeh seems enthusiastic. Right over here, you're sat in

1351
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: the front row. She wanted in, what is your name?

1352
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: Sam? Have you ever spoken a word in our life? Okay? Sam?

1353
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you have your phone? Grab your phone

1354
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: for a second? Okay?

1355
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: I like one guy just looked at me, had his

1356
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: phone in hand, deleted his browser history. Sam, if you could,

1357
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you go to like Chrome or Safari

1358
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: or a browser. I don't care what you got it.

1359
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: And then we've got Sam and one more person.

1360
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1361
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Look, I saw Daisy I met earlier, had her hand.

1362
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: I was like, what about me, Daisy? Let me ask

1363
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: you a question. Who is sitting next to you? Tell

1364
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: everybody who's sitting next to you? Richard?

1365
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that Richard would know who you went

1366
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: with in this case? Okay? Not a good listener, apparently,

1367
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm kidding. How would he know? But that's good.

1368
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: That means that it wasn't an obvious choice, because if

1369
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, of course you know, then

1370
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: she would have picked somebody. Obviously her husband would have known.

1371
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: I like that, that's difficult. You have your phone, grab

1372
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: your phone? You're in Okay, so do this.

1373
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: I want you. Oh, if we go to Google, I

1374
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: like how you're so polite. You're on D and D

1375
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: the whole time.

1376
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: Okay, whatever, we go to Google, I want you to

1377
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: take a few steps away.

1378
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: Where can we go? Like maybe behind this camera?

1379
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: You ready go over here wherever you want to go

1380
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: and hide behind them so nobody could see this. And

1381
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: I want you if you could do an image search.

1382
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: Is that all right?

1383
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: Just come on closer? Oh, not too far. I want

1384
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: you to find a picture of your person. You're right,

1385
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: and do it in next ten seconds. Make sure no

1386
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: one's looking behind you. Have you done it?

1387
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: Hold it close to your chest. Let's see. Let's see.

1388
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: Okay, think if it's a man or woman. Think if

1389
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: it's a man or a woman. Let me watch the reaction,

1390
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: see the tension. It's not what you did before.

1391
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: You a female? Guy? One hundred percent? Is it a guy? Yes?

1392
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: I could tell Richard just goes, he goes, Yeah.

1393
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: I think it's a female. Is it's a female? It's

1394
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: a guy? Okay?

1395
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 1: Interesting if I got to write every time everyone show

1396
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, she knew what to do. See she used

1397
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: it against me. That's perfectly fine. A guy, I want

1398
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: to ask you a question. You could be completely honest

1399
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: when you thought of the first person, did you instantly

1400
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: know you're gonna go with him? Were you debating people

1401
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: you knew instantly? Okay, why do I think that? Why

1402
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: do I think that?

1403
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: You know?

1404
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: You never know what these things? It's not a magic trick.

1405
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: I like how the guy it was like, did it

1406
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: go wrong with al Roker's like, it's about to go

1407
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: wrong here too? Yeah, Sam, we got him.

1408
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: It's been it's been heavy.

1409
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: You know what I thought, I'm gonna show you this,

1410
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, Sam, you know what, we didn't

1411
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: really do. We didn't go to politics. I did not

1412
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: the right spot. I think you went in the world

1413
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: of entertainment. I'm done. It's it's somebody who's in the

1414
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: world of entertainment. Is that correct? My gut says those

1415
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: who can tell you know what gets stuck in your head? Songs?

1416
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: You get a song, you can't get it out of

1417
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: your head. You could try, you can't.

1418
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: Singers. Is she hearing a song in her head? Singer?

1419
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: Tell us all what's his name? Who is he? Don't

1420
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: ever doubt me? Horizon Media. Don't you don't you want.

1421
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: Katie, I stopped you because I did our DJ I

1422
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: didn't take it out.

1423
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what that Okay, you didn't get me. Yeah,

1424
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: that's uh.

1425
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: I had somebody recently do a name in Mandarin and

1426
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: they were like, we're gonna flex on you, like, don't

1427
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: you don't.

1428
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. I got this.

1429
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: I gave you a piece of paper with Robert Downey Jr.

1430
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: And we got to go fast because I have a

1431
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: school event. I want you to reach up, lock it in,

1432
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: and I want you to throw it any direction you

1433
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: want and someone else catch someone, close your eyes, throw

1434
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: it somewhere, someone catch anybody, or Katie, throw it in

1435
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: the only place where there's nobody in the room for

1436
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: the live stream work.

1437
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: It's all I'm totally kidding. Who's got it? Who's got it?

1438
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: What is your name? Laura? Did I say correctly? Have

1439
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: we ever spoken a word in our life? Do you know? Daisy?

1440
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: Okay, here's what we do, Laura. My book is not

1441
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: going to teach you to be a mentalist. Frankly, I

1442
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: know that sounds cool, but it's not that useful, right.

1443
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: I want to empower you think like a mentalist. Use

1444
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: my skills to your advantage. And so what you're gonna do,

1445
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna be my protege right now, So come on up,

1446
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: let's bring up what's here for Laura?

1447
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: Everybody.

1448
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: I gotta move you on this way so you can

1449
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: see you got you're deciding to see anything? Daisy? Can

1450
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: I move you? Can I move you a step or

1451
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: two back here? Just grab you don't need your phone,

1452
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: you don't need anything. Grab a pad of paper, Grab

1453
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: a marker, Laura, throw it over your shoulder.

1454
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: You don't need it.

1455
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: All right, here's the game. You are going to be

1456
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: my mind reader. So what I want you to do

1457
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: is right now, the O open the market yet? Is

1458
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: I want you to give us your best mind reading pose?

1459
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: Hit it like this?

1460
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1461
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, how is she going to do this? You

1462
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: threw that ball anywhere, Katie. This could be anyone. You

1463
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: can open your eyes. Okay, Daisy, you could have thought

1464
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: of anyone. Right, You don't know each other, Laura. I

1465
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: want you to come next to me, right, believe it.

1466
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: In order to achieve it, Picture that somewhere in Daisy's

1467
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: home there is a Okay, I don't know if there is,

1468
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: but we're making this up. And then if we flip

1469
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: through the pages, we stop on a page, and on

1470
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: that page at the top, this is who would I

1471
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: want to have dinner with? And we rip that page out.

1472
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna pretend to hold a page in front

1473
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: of me. But look in my hands. There's not actually

1474
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: paper or anything in my hands.

1475
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: Correct.

1476
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: No, But in a moment, she will swear up and

1477
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: down that she's seeing a piece of paper in front

1478
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: of her clear as day. It's gonna feel almost like

1479
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm hypnotizing you. And bring it a little closer. Give

1480
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: me one more mind reading post, and now open your eyes.

1481
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: Look this way and me looks away me. I take

1482
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: this piece of paper. Can you guys kind of move

1483
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: you over this way?

1484
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: Key?

1485
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you can you see

1486
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: me or no? And and I want you well, I've

1487
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: never had people above me. I gotta move you this way.

1488
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: This is there in the skybox. Is I want you?

1489
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh mind reading posts? Yeah, come on, get method look

1490
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: this way, and I let the piece of paper drop.

1491
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 2: And it's about to be the moment you don't see

1492
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: anything yet. Watch when I snap my fingers.

1493
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: That's when you get hypnotized and I want you to

1494
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: look down in my hand, and I want you to

1495
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: nod your head if you're playing along and you see it,

1496
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: clearest day, and I want your lord to close your eyes,

1497
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: close your eyes closures, and I want you to keep

1498
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: saying the name over and over in your head. Now, folks,

1499
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: imagine what if the ball that Katie had thrown had

1500
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: been caught by you and you were up here on

1501
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: stage with some crazy mentalists trying to pretend like you

1502
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: saw a journal. What would you do in this moment?

1503
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes closed, open the marker. Please write down

1504
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: your person's first and last name. Write down that person's

1505
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: first and last name, nice and big, go ahead. Make

1506
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: sure that she is not peeking, that she cannot see

1507
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: a thing you wrote it, Big, open your eyes if

1508
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: she's even close. I don't want this half hearted energy

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Speaker 1: I've been getting so far Wednesday afternoon. I want Friday night.

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Speaker 1: I want pandemonium. If lightning strikes at Horizon Media, there

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Speaker 1: better not be one butt still in a seat unless

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Speaker 1: you are mobility impaired.

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Speaker 2: Don't look in her eyes, look into her soul.

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Speaker 1: And Laura tell Daisy who is she sitting down to

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Speaker 1: dinner with Michael?

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Speaker 2: Turn Around Show, Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Show, Everybody Show, Everybody, Daisy Show, Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, everybody, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening everyone. If you have a question for me,

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Speaker 3: Katie Kuric, and Courtney Ltz. Supervising producer is Ryan Martz,

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Speaker 3: and our producers are Adriana Fazzio and Meredith Barnes. Julian

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