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Speaker 2: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 4: I am your host, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Raybond, and I'm joined by not only one of the

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Speaker 2: Matt Harmon, football writer and analyst from Yahoo Sports, creator

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Speaker 2: a reception perception.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Man, Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: It's I was just working up the wide receiver position

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get into specifically the wide receiver

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Speaker 4: So be sure to get on that, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I want to start off before we jump into each

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I think it starts with something that

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Speaker 1: I'm staying away from Waddle this year.

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Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin is next, another guy who you know, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of got to say it through gritted teeth.

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Speaker 3: Terry mccaorran was fifth in the NFL and success rate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's It's odd because I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: John, what about you? What do you got for Terry.

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Speaker 1: Well, first, if you don't mind, I'm going to take

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Speaker 1: Thank you. But yeah, like I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know you're gonna sell out a lot of shows,

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Speaker 1: Probably not.

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Speaker 5: But you know, as Matt was saying, like you grit

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I do like mccorn this year.

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Speaker 1: It's bad.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't mind him.

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Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson's the wide receiver sixteen. Matt you know was

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Speaker 3: replacing him. But anyways, Yeah, so I think Deontay really

436
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 3: good player. It's just a weird offense to invest in

437
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 3: right now. So I've kind of had him as like

438
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 3: not a green light player, not a yellow or not

439
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 3: a red light player, but somewhat like a yellow light player.

440
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,159
Speaker 3: Like I'm okay with taking him at his eightpaks. I

441
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 3: feel really good about him, but just as an individual player.

442
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 3: But man, I mean, like we're talking about mister Bisky,

443
00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 3: maybe rookie Kenny Pickett at some point this year. It's

444
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 3: a weird quarterback situation to get involved in.

445
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's just kind of the worry.

446
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: It's hard to nail down, especially because we don't even

447
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 2: really know the breakdown of you know, who's going to

448
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: start for Pittsburgh, you know, all seventeen games.

449
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 4: You know, it could be a kind of a mix

450
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 4: of these guys.

451
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 2: You know, pick It did play well, so hopefully he

452
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 2: just kind of wins that job sooner than you want. Sean,

453
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: what do you where are you on Deontay?

454
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he sort of reminds me of Waggle, where I

455
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 5: definitely love the player, but just the ADP. It's it's

456
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 5: hard to get there with him. I'm projecting, you know,

457
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 5: wide receiver twenty one right now, just because, like you

458
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 5: mentioned Raybon, I think that you know, the efficiency of

459
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 5: this offense can't get any worse without Big Ben, but

460
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 5: certainly the past volume will go down. They rank fourth

461
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 5: last season in pass attempt so I think they're gonna

462
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 5: be more balance this here, which'll hurt Deontay's you know, targets,

463
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 5: and you know he benefited last year from Juju Smith

464
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 5: Schuster missing most of the season. So I think having

465
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 5: two viable wide receivers and Chase Claypole and now George

466
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 5: Pickens there will eat into that. And then we got

467
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 5: to remember Prett Firemouth is going to be you know,

468
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 5: even betteran near two. So uh, there's just a lot

469
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 5: of mouse to feet in this offense that probably won't

470
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 5: be averaging more than two hundred and forty yards a game.

471
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 5: So it's just hard for me to get there with

472
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 5: Deontay Johnson, But I do, you know, love him as

473
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 5: a player. It's just just this season I'm down Graham

474
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 5: just a little bit for me.

475
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: You know, I actually have him in this range of

476
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 2: what does it for me is you know, I factor

477
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 2: in targets per route run a lot. You know obviously,

478
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 2: you know, targets is kind of a somewhat of a

479
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: usage step with somewhat of a skill stat you know,

480
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: you still do have to get open. He's he's averaged

481
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent, uh the last two years. You know,

482
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: so that's pretty impressive given you know a lot of

483
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: like not all of that was without you know, Juju

484
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: and without other guys. You know, Quaypoo was playing well

485
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: that that year in twenty twenty, and Deontay was still

486
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: kind of at that same pace. I think that will

487
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 2: obviously go down if the average depth of target goes up.

488
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: But you know, either way, I mean that kind of

489
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: just matches up to Matt with what you found in

490
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: reception perception, the guy is just always open.

491
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 4: You know, twenty seven percent, that's elite in terms.

492
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: Of prout run. You gotta think about too with the

493
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: juju part of it. And I liked I actually liked

494
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: Juju this year, but you know, this is like Juju

495
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 3: was coming kind of into his peak when Deontay got

496
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 3: drafted by the team, and then like one guy just

497
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: rocketed past the other on the depth dro And I

498
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: think a lot of that is just player quality with

499
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson there too, And but yeah, I mean it's

500
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: it's a weird offense. And I agree Sean, like, if

501
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 3: you look at this team, you could I'm like weirdly

502
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 3: obsessed with the Steelers and I have never I'm not

503
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: like a Steelers fan. I'm not from the area of

504
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 3: no no attack to the team whatsoever. But maybe it's

505
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: because I am, like, I like Deontay Johnson as a player.

506
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 3: But if you squinted this offense, it's like, yeah, there's

507
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 3: some good there's a lot of good players here that

508
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 3: could potentially command targets. And then we're talking about them

509
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 3: commanding targets from you know, like Mitch Trubisky for the

510
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 3: first four games and then maybe Kenny fit.

511
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

512
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: It's it's a very very strange offense, but I think

513
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 3: could have really good fantasy like values in it, but

514
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 3: just hard to project.

515
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: All right, let's jump to Wide Receiver seventeen, DK metcalf Matt.

516
00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 4: Are we betting on talent?

517
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: Or is this ADP too high given his loss of

518
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson.

519
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 3: It's too high. I mean, it is a bet on

520
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: talent if you're going to have him at wide receiver seventeen.

521
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: I didn't look at the at the ADP source too closely,

522
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: but or at least I didn't see where Tyler Lockett was.

523
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: But I guarantee I think Tyl Lockett's thirty nine. I think, yeah,

524
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: I mean that Lockett. Yeah, that's the guy I'm targeting

525
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: in this offense. I can't and I can't help myself, Chris,

526
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: but I draft Tyler Lockett in like the ninth round

527
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: every freaking time he falls there. I because I still

528
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 3: think that there's not that big of a gap between

529
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: these two guys, like having Locket at thirty nine and

530
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: DK at seventeen. Like for me personally, I've got Lockett

531
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: maybe closer to thirty six, and you know, DK closer

532
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: to twenty or twenty one. So I mean, for me,

533
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: I've got DK a little lower than consensus and lock

534
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: it a little higher because I don't think the gap

535
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: is going to be that wide, Like if these guys,

536
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 3: if Lockett has to lose that much because of losing

537
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson, like I think DK even if he's posted

538
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: kind of prime of his career, but lock it was

539
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 3: great last year too. I mean, both these guys are

540
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: really good players. I don't know either way, Like I

541
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 3: don't want to be too aggressive on like these as

542
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: much I love this duo of wide receivers. I think

543
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: they're one of the three best duos in the NFL. Still,

544
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: like Gino Smith and Drew Locke, that's an unseerious quarterback situation,

545
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 3: Like that's not that's not real.

546
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: It's not it's I can't believe that, Like they have

547
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: some kind of like handshake deal with Gino or something

548
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: where they're just going to give him every opportunity to

549
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: be the starter, Like it's it's kind of a third

550
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: Like this is the Geno Smith that got punched in

551
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: the faith on a New York jet, Like this is

552
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: the same Geno Smith, Like we're still he's still in

553
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: the league.

554
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: Like in the starter conversations.

555
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: Can you can you remember a situation where I mean,

556
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: it's not as if Gino's even like young or promising

557
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: like he was drafted in two thousand and thirteen, you know,

558
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: like he's washing This is what Seaux is like his

559
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: fourth team because he was was wasn't he was on

560
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: the Giants and was he was on like another team

561
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: there for otsec or I don't, I.

562
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: Don't even know. Maybe he's on both New York teams.

563
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 3: I know that.

564
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so like the Chargers. He's on the Chargers for.

565
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, he was, that's right. I couldn't remember if

566
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: it was the Raiders of the Chargers. There was one AFC. Well,

567
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: I never thought Raiders because he like started for the

568
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 3: Giants in that infamous Ben McAdoo benching, Eli Manning and

569
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: then yeah, forget about that. I clearly see. The point

570
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: is Gino has been our lives a long time. I

571
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: can't remember like a not young, not a guy that's

572
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: like flashed recently getting just like the runway to start

573
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: with an NFL team. It's it's bizarre, Yeah, it really is.

574
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, maybe Drew Wack takes over,

575
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: but Drewack hasn't been great either, so it's tough. Sean,

576
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: where are you on DK? Are you at wide receiver seventeen?

577
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: Are you below. Now I have him right here, which

578
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: is unfortunate. He's he's very hard to project this year

579
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: because of all the things you guys mentioned. I mean,

580
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: he's still an elite talent. He could still.

581
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: Provide you know, low end widers one production even without

582
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: Rust Wilson.

583
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: He did it last year when Gino Smith.

584
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 5: Started Week six through eight, he was the wide receiver

585
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 5: eight and Drew Locke. You know, he's terrible, but he's

586
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 5: a bit of a gun slinger. I mean, if he's

587
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 5: throwing interceptions and they get behind, he's still gonna be

588
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: slinging it, so that helps Metcalf.

589
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: So it's a weird situation.

590
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: And you know.

591
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: Metcalf, he was very volatile last season even with Russe Wilson.

592
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 5: He finished outside of the top twenty four sixty five

593
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 5: percent of the time last year, which ranked twenty eight

594
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 5: out of one hundred wide receivers that played at least

595
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 5: ten games. So it just goes to show that he

596
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: does have a pretty low foward despite being a late talent.

597
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 5: So he's a player. I'm not really targeting him in

598
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 5: this range. I much rather have like a Brandon Cooks

599
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 5: type of guy that you can rely on week in

600
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 5: week out. So just I have Metcalf ranked here, I'm

601
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 5: just not drafting him here.

602
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's weird because you kind of feel like, Okay,

603
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 2: Metcalf's one of these, you know, number one wide receivers

604
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: that's kind of locked into this you know, target share,

605
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's what kind of makes him safe.

606
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: But I mean Lockett's no slouch.

607
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: Metcalf did out target him, you know, on a per

608
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: route basis by about five percent, which is pretty good.

609
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: But you know Lockett's still there, you know, getting like

610
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: over twenty percent. So yeah, I have him in the

611
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: mid twenties. You know, I can't really upgrade him when

612
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: there's just you know, there's so many questions that at quarterback.

613
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is this is Geno Smith.

614
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: We're talking about her.

615
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: Uh uh, dj Moore. This one seems a little low

616
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: for me. But Matt, I'll ask you, like, are the

617
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: eleven hundred yards and four tds? Like each of the

618
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: last three seasons, it's pretty much what he does eleven

619
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: hundred yards four touchdowns? Is that closer to his true

620
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: like median? Is that his floor? Is that his ceiling?

621
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 4: Like will he ever break through in a touchdown department.

622
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 4: Talk to me.

623
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you'd imagine at some point he's got to

624
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: have a season where he gets like seven and eight

625
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: or something like that. You know, it's just four year in,

626
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: year out, is pretty crazy. I think DJ Moore is

627
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: a really good player, uh and talk about a guy

628
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 3: that's you know, just gone through the ringer. And in

629
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: terms of quarterback play, like the moment he gets there

630
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: and starts kind of establishing himself, Cam Newton's shoulder falls off,

631
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: and then he's had, you know, the TA He's hat

632
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: of the Taylor Heineke experience, I think for a couple

633
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: of seconds there, and then the Kyle Allen year he's had,

634
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, Sam Darnold. It's just been a murderer's row

635
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 3: of bad quarterbacks. And I think Baker Mayfield is pretty

636
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: like I think he's probably average. I think he's an

637
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: average quarterback, but average is an awful lot better for

638
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: DJ more than what he's been dealing with. I've ranked

639
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: quite a few spots ahead of wide receiver eighteen because

640
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: I do think he's a really good player. I think

641
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: also like his target share in this offense and the

642
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: pace of this offense is a little underrated for the

643
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: last three seasons, and you know, you just look at

644
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: you just look at Dj Moore like he's one of

645
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: these guys that I kind of want to bet on

646
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: having a ceiling season at some point, and you know,

647
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: if Baker can give them twenty twenty Baker levels of play,

648
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that Dj moorese is a

649
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: huge target share, like just a huge raw target number

650
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: like he did last year, and then turns in a

651
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: really nice season. The one thing I could I will

652
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: complain about because I always will happily complain about the Panthers.

653
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: I think they're kind of like a little backwards in

654
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: the way they use Dj Moore. Like I talked about

655
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: these offensive coordinators and play callers using these number one

656
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: wide receivers in creative ways. I kind of hate how

657
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: they just roll him out as the X receiver. I

658
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: think Dj Moore would actually be great in like a

659
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: Deebo sam I know, the Deebo Samuel rule gets kind

660
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: of like thrown around all the time now, but not

661
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: like as a pure rusher, but in the way they

662
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: get him like design touches and like having him run

663
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: over the middle routes over and over and over again.

664
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: I feel like that would actually be better for Dj

665
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: Moore as a detached line of scrimmage player. But I mean, listen,

666
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: the Panthers haven't done a lot of smart things in

667
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: the last couple of years.

668
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: It is kind of.

669
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: Surprising that they, you know, they just lad up with,

670
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, as the X because he's not really like,

671
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 2: you know, killing, I mean, he's he's I think, what

672
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: is he better? You better than average against man coverage

673
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: and he's average against press, right.

674
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: So, yeah, he was better in twenty twenty than he

675
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: was last year from like a separation standpoint, But he's

676
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: taken a lot of progress from where he was earlier

677
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: in his career where I almost thought, like, man, he

678
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: might have to be a gadget player because he was

679
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: so raw as a rout runners first couple of years.

680
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: But he's made a lot of improvements. But yeah, I agree,

681
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: he's like, I think he's certainly a player that would

682
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: benefit from being moved around the formation more, but they

683
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: just have never really done that.

684
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: Don Where are you on Dj Moore?

685
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 5: Well, he's essentially the NFC South Keenan Allen just pencil

686
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: him in for ninety catches for twelve hundred yards and

687
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: four to six touchdowns and move on with life. That like,

688
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 5: that's pretty much what he is right now. And I

689
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 5: think that, you know, I think I've taken the over

690
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 5: four and a half touchdowns receiving touchdowns for him the

691
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: past two seasons. I promise I will stop this year.

692
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 5: So he was absolutely crushing it this year, but it's

693
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: last year. This is the year I think he should

694
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 5: He's not going to be a ten touchdown like double

695
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: digit touchdown guy, of course, but certainly, you know, five

696
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 5: to seven touchdowns is in his range of outcomes. He

697
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 5: led the team with ten enzo targets last year, all

698
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: four of us we're end zone target so you think

699
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: a player with his you know, after the catch ability,

700
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 5: he'd be able to stink in one or two outside

701
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 5: of the end zone. So I think that, you know,

702
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 5: six to seven touchdowns is a fair projection for him.

703
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: So we've we've yet to see his ceiling. I don't

704
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 5: know if it's you know, elite wide receiver one, but

705
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: I do think getting him sort of in this mid

706
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: range wide receiver two, low wide receiver two is decent

707
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: because he's going to provide you high floor, and that's

708
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: kind of what you need in season long had to

709
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: head formats anyway.

710
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have him a wide receiver fourteen,

711
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: so I think I'm a few spots hire as well

712
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: on DJ. It's I'm just waiting for him to do

713
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: something different besides the eleven hundred yards and the four touchdowns.

714
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: But I mean he's just so locked into his target

715
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: share too.

716
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean, especially after Robbie Anderson sent that big step

717
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: back and they still I mean they have Tommy Tremble.

718
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: That's nobody at tight end.

719
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: You know, Harris Marshall was probably the worst wide receiver

720
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: in the history at football last year. Like it's just

721
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 2: it's just it's there's not much there to you know,

722
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: the challenging Mike Williams.

723
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: This one is another tough one because.

724
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: I feel like like he was what the wide receiver

725
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: twelve and yeah, the wide receiver twelve and points per

726
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: game last year and half PPR, but he had it

727
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: was just really like a tale of you know, either

728
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: he's it's like the highest of highs.

729
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 4: On the lowest of lows.

730
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: Matt, do you think there'll be enough consistency for redraft

731
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: taking him at wide receiver nineteen.

732
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Probably not. I think he's a volatile producer because he's

733
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: kind of a volatile player. It feels like we almost

734
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: got a little greedy with keenan Owl or at Keenan

735
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: Awl with Mike Williams last year, where I'd been saying

736
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: for a couple of years, like the Chargers, I think, man,

737
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: I think the more you think about that Anthony Lynn

738
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: coaching staff, but it was really bad just from like

739
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: player usage. You know, they had just Mike Williams kind

740
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: of like they they really pigeonholed Austin Eckler is we're

741
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: not going to use you around the goal line, like

742
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: we're not going to like draw you up creative ways

743
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: because you're too small, And that was like they're always

744
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: trying to get these bad bangerbacks in there to take

745
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: away carries in that way, and it's sort of similar

746
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: with Mike Williams. You know, they were always using him

747
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: as just a pure like vertical receiver. You know, I

748
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: remember the Philip Rivers years of him just throwing up

749
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: like little lollipops down the field, like because he couldn't

750
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 3: push the ball deep anymore. To Mike Williams, and I

751
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: was like, Mike Williams can do a little more than that.

752
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: You know, he can be a guy that you throw

753
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: the ball on, you know, into space because he's big,

754
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: and you know, he can separate on some over the

755
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: middle routes and he's such a long strider so he

756
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: can get open in some ways like that. But then

757
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: we sort of got that the first four weeks this season,

758
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: and it seems as if people want to like, all right,

759
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: now he can maybe he can overtake Keenan Allen. And

760
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I mean, I just think

761
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: that Mike Waves probably not a true number one receiver.

762
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: I think he's sort of a boom bust wide receiver

763
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: too that can do a lot. It can do a

764
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: lot more than he was just doing in his early

765
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: career when he was exclusively a vertical receiver. But he's

766
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: probably not the type of separator that you want handling

767
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: a huge target share, because then your passing offense is

768
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: just gonna be very ALTI but Chargers are a weird team,

769
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: man Like, they don't have a lot of team speed.

770
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's like Keenan Allen, It's Mike Williams and

771
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: then Josh Palmer, who was kind of like fits into

772
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: the same arch type of receiver as these two guys,

773
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: you know, slower, but you know maybe can win and

774
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: contest the situations. I don't know. I still I've got

775
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing the ultimate hedge thing though in my in

776
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: my rankings where I have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams

777
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: and like back to back spots. But I don't know

778
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: if that's like I still don't know if I really

779
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: like that, though I don't.

780
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't sleepwalk now. Keenan Awen is like the best

781
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: route might be the best route runner in the game.

782
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Keenan Now just dogwalks people. Mike Williams is

783
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: like kind of the opposite, Like you said, he's a

784
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: different player. I mean the thing like keen and now

785
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: is always going to give you like five catches for

786
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: like sixty yards, like whether he gets the touchdown, it

787
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: is what it is. But like Williams is like, you know,

788
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: two catches for five yards or you know four for

789
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty. You know, it's a little different.

790
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: But Sean, what about you, I mean you are you

791
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: were like the Mike Williams champion.

792
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: And now, first, yeah, you did your vote, haven't I mean?

793
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean really you still finished at the

794
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver twelve, so I would still say you were

795
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: right about yeah yeah, yeah.

796
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 5: So, I mean, he was the wide receiver had the

797
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 5: most exposure to last season, and that's he was going

798
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 5: in the wide receiver forty to forty five range. It

799
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: was way more fun getting a guy like him there,

800
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 5: So getting him a wide receiver nineteen, I'm shying away

801
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: a little bit.

802
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: You know.

803
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 5: As Matt mentioned, he's a volatile player, so it just

804
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 5: comes with the territory. But I think, you know, considering

805
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 5: I had Williams on like all of my teams, I

806
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: do remember he suffering knee injury in Week five and

807
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 5: then he was very limited the next week, and then

808
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 5: they had the bye week where he was healthy enough

809
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: to play. I think that really did hurt the momentum

810
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 5: he had. So he might have been killed that knee

811
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 5: injury all season. We don't really know, but that seemed

812
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 5: to be the trigger point when he really fell off

813
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 5: the cliff. But we have to remember he's going to

814
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 5: be Justin Herbert's number one downfield target and number one

815
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 5: end zone target. So there's a lot of value in that,

816
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 5: but it does come with a lot of volatility. So

817
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 5: that's why you know it's going to be a bumpy ride.

818
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 5: But he does carry a high ceiling and a low floor.

819
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 5: You just have to know that when you draft him again.

820
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 5: It was a lot more fun getting him in the

821
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 5: wide receiver forty range, where he's you know, on your

822
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: bench to start the season, whereas this year, you know

823
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 5: he's got to be a mid to low range wide

824
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: receiver too. I think that's where he should have been

825
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 5: ranked last year. But just know he's gonna be very

826
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 5: vulable week to week. Obviously preferable in best ball. Yeah, yeah,

827
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 5: you could still do it with him in season long.

828
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: But you know, for a guy you're drafting this high,

829
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: I think I'd like a little bit more consistency.

830
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: The ceiling is still there though, but would would like

831
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: a little more consistency.

832
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: Brandon Cook's wide receiver twenty. I mean he's had six

833
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: thousand yard seasons in the last seven and he had

834
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: like this one really bad one mixed in on the

835
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: rams of all teams with say so it's it's kind

836
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: of tough to get around. I mean, he comes up

837
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: really well in my model, because there's just no one

838
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: else in Houston to catch the football at this point.

839
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: So Matt, you know, what do you kind of make

840
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: of his you know, prove Florence Steeling, you know, be

841
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: in that he's probably going to be a target hot

842
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: but in this really bad passing offense.

843
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's super easy to project. I feel like he's

844
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: gonna come in write it around this range and he's

845
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: a boring pick, but like feels pretty good just because

846
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: he's a good player. He's gonna have a good target

847
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: chair And I think Davis Mills showed enough last year

848
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, I'm all right, fine, I'm fine

849
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: attaching myself to his pass catchers. I would say, though,

850
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: like I really like Nico Collins as a potential like sleeper,

851
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: you know, and you get him so late in draft that,

852
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: like I would tell her, just take Nico Collins at

853
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: the end of your draft, in every single draft, just

854
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: because I think he's got a chance to walk into

855
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: like one hundred targets. And he looks like from a

856
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: player comparison standpoint, his rookie year reception perception actually looks

857
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: a lot like t Higgins and like aj Brown's rookie year.

858
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: There's a couple other Goofball comparisons mixed in there, but

859
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: those are two ones that I like, Especially to T Higgins.

860
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: One really makes a lot of sense to me. So

861
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just I don't want to turn

862
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: this into Nico Collins section, But oh.

863
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: No, I love it.

864
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 5: I think did we end up making a bet on

865
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 5: Nico Collins? Decide James, Well, I know we have the job. No,

866
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, James, I have under forty nine and

867
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 5: a half receptions. But yeah, I thought we had like

868
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 5: a side deal on Nico Collins. I don't think we did,

869
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 5: but I love it. I love the Nico Collins discussion.

870
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: Though.

871
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: What about Brandon Cooks? Oh what about Brandon Cooks?

872
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Cooks I underestimated just his career, him

873
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: as a talent because I assume part of his success was,

874
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: you know, due to playing with Drew Brees, Tom Brady Good,

875
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: Jared Goff, Deshaun Watson. But I mean last year he

876
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: really impressed me what he did with Davis Mills. So,

877
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: like I said, I rather have a guy like Brandon

878
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: Cooks than a DK metcalf or Mike Williams where you

879
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 5: know they're going to have a lower floor week to week.

880
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: Brandon Cooks is as soul as it gets. I love

881
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 5: getting him here. And last year about remember I mentioned

882
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 5: like Davis Mills walks into his first read. He led

883
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 5: college football and targeted his first read in Stanford, So

884
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 5: you know, like I think that too well for Cooks,

885
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 5: he's obviously the focal point of the passing offense. So

886
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: he's a very high four player and I love getting

887
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 5: him here.

888
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 4: Yeah he he pops in my model. I have no issues.

889
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: I actually have him at wide receiver twenty. But yeah, he.

890
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: I mean it's just such a the play.

891
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, even if Nico, you know, takes

892
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: a big step forward, I mean there's it's just wide open.

893
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: And this offense isn't like the tight ends aren't really

894
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: that great, and the running backs are just it's.

895
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: John Mechi's missing. The rookie receiver is gonna miss the

896
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: whole year witha like the drop off from Nico and

897
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: and Brandon Cooks is like just we're talking about like

898
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 3: Chris Conley, Chester Rogers, I mean total total journeyman.

899
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to project like the rotation

900
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: At this point, it's like the Yeah.

901
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your summer, Rayn, don't worry about it.

902
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, don't worry about that. Go to a

903
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: few happy hours.

904
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Hey, well we'll scout about the game. We're going to

905
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: the game.

906
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean yeah, they

907
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 4: got to play him? Well they all yeah, seas action,

908
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: let's go.

909
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: He's on this rock.

910
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah he might, he might run like play like.

911
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah him, Chris Conwey is there. It's weird, uh, Marki's

912
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: Brown is a wide stever twenty one, Matt, He's gonna

913
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: have six games without DeAndre Hopkins and then Hopkins gets back.

914
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: You know, you have to have Earth's there. Ron del

915
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Moore probably gets a little bit bigger of a role somehow,

916
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: some way still got aj Green. There seems like a

917
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 2: crowded kind of pass offense for age for Marquis Brown.

918
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: Do you think wide receiver twenty one is? You know,

919
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: is that enough? You know those six games without him?

920
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: Will he be consistent once Hopkins comes back? With what

921
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: do you think of Marquis here?

922
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: Well, it would be hard for Rondell More not to

923
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: have a larger role than what he did last year,

924
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: but we'll see. I really don't trust Cliff Kingsbury with

925
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 3: player usage or player deployment because it's just been so

926
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: strange since he's been there. It's so static too. I

927
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: really like the idea of Marquis Brown as their potential

928
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: like vertical slot receiver replacing Christian Kirk. I know that

929
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: that's like the rhetoric out of Cardinals camp right now

930
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: is that Ronde war could play that position. But I mean,

931
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: like I said, with Ronde Moorey, he basically played like

932
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: fake wide receiver last year. You know, I don't even

933
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: know if the guy was out there running like those

934
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: shallow routes against a bunch of his own coverage. So

935
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: I do kind of like Marquis Brown in this range.

936
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: I think he's an underrated player. He's been a pretty

937
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: good zone beater in receptive perception in the last three years,

938
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: and he's gonna face at his own coverage with another

939
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: mobile quarterback, just like he did in Baltimore as well.

940
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: And I think he can be a better fit as

941
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: a vertical player with Kyler Murray than he was with

942
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. So I'm I'm kind of fine with marqu

943
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: East Brown here. I really am curious again because I

944
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: don't trust with Kingsbury with player deployment. Like last year

945
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: when DeAndre Hopkins missed time, they basically just threw that

946
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: Wesley guy out there and didn't change there in Hopkins position.

947
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: It didn't change offense at all. And so I wonder

948
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: if they're going to do the same thing this year

949
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: in their first six games. And you know, does that

950
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: mean that Markus Brown stays as a slot receiver in

951
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: four wide receiver sets. I think that would probably be

952
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 3: for the best long term.

953
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: It is kind of I just I feel like he

954
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: comes out around wide receiver twenty one of my rankings

955
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: when I factor in the Hopkins and everything. But it

956
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: just it just feels like there's a lower floor here

957
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: with him because like it's just, yeah, Cliff, it is

958
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: wide open offense. I mean, it could just go so

959
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 2: many different ways. So, you know, I don't have too

960
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: much Marquise Brown. Maybe I gotta bump him down a

961
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: little bit in my ranks. Chris Godwin's at wide receiver

962
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: twenty two. Matt, what do you think of the impact

963
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: of the torn acl you know, recovery timeline, And then

964
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: there's also you know, they lose a B and Gronk,

965
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: they add Julio and Russell Gage.

966
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 4: I mean it probably breathese up targets. If anything.

967
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: Ab was going crazy when he was in the lineup,

968
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: and Gronk was pretty good too. So where are you

969
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: on on Godwin?

970
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm way lower than this on Chris Godwin. And

971
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: I hate it because I love the player, big, big

972
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: Chris Godin fan have been for years. But I'm just

973
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 3: really not drafting like any of these guys like him,

974
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: or I mean, Michael Gallup, thank God, already said like

975
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss miss week one. Don't even that's like

976
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: not realistic. Obviously Beckham's not on a tea either, But

977
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: I'm typically like going to fade any of these guys

978
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: that are coming off an injury that's going to stretch

979
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: into the regular season. And I don't care that he

980
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: didn't like he wasn't on the training camp, you bee

981
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: like Chris Godden, I don't think is the way they

982
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: talk about it is that they're expecting to ramp him

983
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: up more as the season goes on. I like Chris

984
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: Godden a lot as a player, but there's just no

985
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: way I could click him at wide receiver twenty two here.

986
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like he was way more fun to take when

987
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 5: he was wide receiver thirty thirty five in that range.

988
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but now now that was like he is

989
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: trending to at least suit up with one. He might

990
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 5: take a few weeks, you know, to get tow a

991
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 5: hundred percent. So I feel like, yeah, it's tough taking

992
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 5: him here. If you are in a very easy home league,

993
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 5: you know where somebody in your league is a fren

994
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 5: Airs fan and they draft Elijah Mitchell in the first

995
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: round and you can guarantee that you're gonna make the

996
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 5: fancy playoffs, you should absolutely take Chris Godwin here because

997
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: you know, by fancy playoff time he should be a

998
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 5: high end wide receiver two. So I think it depends

999
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 5: on league type and what you're trying to accomplish, But

1000
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: most leagues, you know, I would want Godwin to drop

1001
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 5: outside of at least a top twenty five right now,

1002
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 5: just do the uncertainty in the first few weeks. But again,

1003
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 5: his value will peak in the most important time of

1004
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: the year of the fantsty playoffs. Whereas Marcus Brown from earlier,

1005
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: you know his value is going to peak early in

1006
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 5: the season, and that's when I'm you know, less in

1007
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 5: need of that. Like I like guys that will peak

1008
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: in the fancy playoffs. So that's why I think Chris

1009
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 5: Godwin has appeal. And if if you know you're gonna,

1010
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: you know, make it to the playoffs and get first

1011
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 5: round by anyway, then yeah, you should target him.

1012
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point.

1013
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's he is gonna kind of ramp it up,

1014
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: But I I don't like the uncertainty. It's really hard

1015
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: to kind of know how to project him. I mean,

1016
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, is he is he gonna even is he

1017
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: gonna be ready for week one? And just not play,

1018
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean, just not play the full compliment of snaps.

1019
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: Is he are they gonna hold him out?

1020
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: Like it?

1021
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: We don't really have much quarity, so it's really tough

1022
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: at this point. So, yeah, he's a guy I've kind

1023
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: of been like, I want to take him. I feel

1024
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: like I feel like it would be a nice discount

1025
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: if he was just good to go, but kind of

1026
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: holding off until we know more. So this is really

1027
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: not You just got to everyone listening. You just got

1028
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: to kind of keep up with the with the news.

1029
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: And the rankings and all that Jerry Judy is the

1030
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: wide receiver twenty three.

1031
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1032
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: You know, Matt, what what do you think of the

1033
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: impact of Russell Wilson is here with with Judy. Should

1034
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: he and should he be the top Denver wide receiver

1035
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: taking over Portland Sutton. He's one spot higher than Sutton

1036
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: in the Fantasy pros half PPR consensus.

1037
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got Sometton a little bit ahead of Judy,

1038
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: And I think in group of these two guys together,

1039
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: like the one thing I struggle with these Denver receivers

1040
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: is it neither one of these guys is coming off

1041
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: a good season in reception perception and there's certainly not

1042
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: their peak seasons, and I think you could write both

1043
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 3: off to injury. You were just talking about Chris Godwin

1044
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: with his recovery from an ACL tear. Courtland Sutton fits

1045
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: into this group that we have data on in the

1046
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: first year after an ACL tear. And what I found

1047
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: is since I started doing reception perception in twenty fourteen,

1048
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: players coming off and in the first year back from

1049
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: an ACL tear can be expected to lose almost three

1050
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: percent off their success rate. First man coverage numbers from

1051
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: their previous peak. So it's no surprise that, you know,

1052
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: Sutton didn't play up the expectation last year, but he

1053
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: did really struggle, Like he's got to wear a lot

1054
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: of the disappointment from last year. You know, it's funny

1055
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: that we obviously we know that the Denver Broncos have

1056
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: had a bad quarterback situation for the most part, but

1057
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 3: like Teddy Bridgewater is not terrible terrible, and you knows Courtland,

1058
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: Sutton completely disappeared down the stretch when other guys were

1059
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: out there. I think he's got to wear some of

1060
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: that blame. Jerry Judy, although did not follow up a

1061
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 3: very promising rookie your reception perception with a great result.

1062
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 3: He was kind of more towards that average rain and

1063
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: range success rate versus man and press coverage last year,

1064
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: but and zone coverage as well. But I mean you

1065
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: can write some of that off to he was playing

1066
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: with a high ankle sprain potentially coming back from that.

1067
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 3: So that's just to struggle with these guys as neither

1068
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: one of them is coming off this like great individual

1069
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: season when like, all right, throw them a good quarterback

1070
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: out there, and Russ is such like a weirdly specific

1071
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: quarterback that he is struggling. I struggle to kind of

1072
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: project him a little bit. But I think I feel

1073
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 3: the best about Courtland Sutton because he has the best

1074
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: peak season on his resume. And Judy I actually think

1075
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: he I've got him in this range kind of now.

1076
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: But I had to. They had to lose Tim Patrick.

1077
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: I think to bump him up there because now it

1078
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: like now it's easier to project the targets up. But

1079
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: had Tim Patrick been out there, I think that I

1080
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: probably would have been lower than consensus on Judy and

1081
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: higher than consensus on Tim Patrick. But with these two

1082
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: guys now, like I do think the targets can be

1083
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more concentrated. What I like to hear that.

1084
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: Tim Patrick love, I know, man, what a bummer, What

1085
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 4: a bummer.

1086
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna I think he's gonna crush it

1087
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: as they're like big slot receiver this year. But alas, yeah,

1088
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: it would he would.

1089
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he would have made it real tough to

1090
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: project those three guys. That's maybe it is for the best,

1091
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, Sean, where are you on Judy and Anston?

1092
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 5: Yeah this is right about where I haven't projected just

1093
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: giving Judy just the slight lead over Sutton. We've really

1094
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 5: yet to see Judy even come close to his potentially yet.

1095
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 5: I mean, he only has three career touchdowns, so I

1096
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 5: think just being in a better offense that will be

1097
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 5: higher scoring will help his touch on upside, I think

1098
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 5: he'll score you know, five to seven this year. He'll

1099
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 5: see plenty of targets, so I think we'll see peak

1100
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 5: Judy finally this year. But as Matt mentioned, I think

1101
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 5: just Tim Patrick's injury really narrow this target tree target

1102
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: chair to these two. So I think it helps both

1103
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: their Florence seeling combo. Patrick was going to be a

1104
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 5: guy I was targeting later on, but both these guys

1105
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 5: should be you know, low end widers or two's this season.

1106
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 5: And Ston especially you know last year, Uh, there were

1107
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 5: so many weeks where he like led the league in

1108
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 5: air yards but didn't convert to fancy points you know,

1109
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 5: unfortunately air yards that we don't have a scoring system

1110
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 5: for air yards yet. But this year he'll convert those

1111
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: two receiving yards with more accurate you know passes from

1112
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson hopefully. Plus he had zero touchdown on his

1113
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 5: five in zone targets last year, So I think there's

1114
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 5: some positive touchdown aggression in coming for Setting too. So

1115
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 5: I like both players, but it's just hard to you know,

1116
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 5: really squeeze out value when they're already going pretty high

1117
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 5: to begin with. So I'm ranking them right where they're

1118
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 5: going right now.

1119
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think both of them will bounce back.

1120
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: I think with Sutton, you know, he's, like you mentioned

1121
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 2: his areas, his average up the target was fifteen point

1122
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: eight last year, you know, so that's like that's really

1123
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: high for a guy that's out there, you know, playing,

1124
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, running ninety percent.

1125
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 4: Of the route, you know. So yeah, yeah, I mean Teddy.

1126
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: Bridgewater it's never really been a great downfield thrower, so that,

1127
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: you know, that's kind of I think that contributed. I

1128
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: do think the injury, as you mentioned, Matt contributed it

1129
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: as well, so he's he's a year removed from that.

1130
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: I think the quarterbacks, like, I think the quarterback suits

1131
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: Sutton like the best, Like.

1132
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: I think Ross's like, yeah, it Helpston.

1133
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 2: So like Sutton has that, you know, like I don't

1134
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: want to see DK metcalf upside, but like, you know,

1135
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: similar he could be used in a similar way because

1136
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: he has been used in a similar way even without

1137
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson already, So there is you know, I think

1138
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: there is some upside there. I'm cautiously optimistic on him.

1139
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: And I mean these all these wide receivers in this

1140
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: like you know range are kind of like they're all

1141
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: I all got him projected really quote, So it's like, yeah,

1142
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, twenty eight, twenty nine, like it's

1143
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: kind of all the same at this point. But yeah,

1144
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: I have no real issue taking stut Any.

1145
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 4: I think he Uh. I think him and Judy both

1146
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 4: both rebounds.

1147
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's jump to uh, let's talk about

1148
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: the wide receivers in the in this twenty this wide

1149
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: receiver three range, Matt, who's your favorite value in the

1150
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: twenty five or thirty sixth range?

1151
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for the first time in human history,

1152
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: I'm well ahead of consensus on Juju Smith Schuster. I

1153
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: think he's actually a really good fit for what the

1154
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: chiefs need. You know, Obviously he's kind of fallen off

1155
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: the map the last couple of years with Ben Roethlisberger,

1156
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: and then he got injured last year as well. But

1157
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: I think he's gone from being one of the most

1158
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 3: overrated receivers in the NFL early in his career to

1159
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: now kind of one of the most underrated receivers. Like,

1160
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: he's still a pretty good big slot receiver, a guy

1161
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: that you want to play off the formation, and I

1162
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: think he can be that type of guy's there flanker

1163
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: slot in Kansas City. You know, actually last year he

1164
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: was eleventh in terms of success rate vers zone coverage.

1165
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: He actually has the eleventh best score all time from

1166
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: his twenty nineteen season success rate vers zone coverage. So

1167
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 3: you know, he's not a like traditional pressman beater on

1168
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: the outside. He's not a traditional number one receiver, but

1169
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: I think he's the most secure non Kelsey pass catcher

1170
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: on this Chiefs team who can beat zone coverage. And

1171
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, I've got him projected well ahead of his

1172
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirty three I think on Fantasy pros right now.

1173
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been really into Juju this year and

1174
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 3: really into drafting, which I, like I said, is probably

1175
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: the first time in many many years.

1176
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: If he gets like, you know, eighty five percent of

1177
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: the snaps or something, he should beat this ADP. The

1178
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: only thing I'm worried about is like they keep saying like, oh,

1179
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: we want to spread the ball around this year, Like

1180
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if that just means like, oh,

1181
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: we lost Tyreek Kale, Like we're just gonna like say

1182
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: things that make it sound less bad that we lost

1183
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: Tyreek Kale.

1184
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: Or they that's usually right. Yeah, yeah, he just so.

1185
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: I mean that's the only concern. But I think the

1186
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: other guys. My thought on that is like the other

1187
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: guys kind of cannibalize each other, like mvs. Sky I'm

1188
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: a big sky Moore fan, but like, I don't know

1189
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: that he's going to have a real role to start

1190
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: the season. He might be kind of like a ladder,

1191
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 3: you know, part of the season player. And like, as

1192
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: much as everybody hates to admit it, Mikole Hardman is

1193
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: still going to probably have a role on this team.

1194
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: So I think like those three guys all kind of

1195
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: cannibalize each other mvs. Sky Moore and Mikole Hardman. But

1196
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: Juju feels the safest in me.

1197
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, uh shah, who do you like the

1198
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: most in the y scud twenty five or thirty six range.

1199
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 5: I mean, if you had this at odds on this,

1200
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 5: I should have been what minus five thousand that I

1201
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 5: would say Gabe Davis here, So yeah, I'm going with

1202
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: Gabe Davis. I was super excited about him this time

1203
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 5: last year. I think this is or you know, it

1204
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 5: was late July they signed Emmanuel Sanders and that just

1205
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 5: crushed my hopes and dreams of you know, taking Gabe

1206
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 5: Davis a year early. But I think we're gonna finally

1207
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 5: see it year three breakout. Unfortunately, he had to ruin

1208
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 5: his under the Raider status this year by going off

1209
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 5: for two hundred yards and four touchdowns against the Chiefs,

1210
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 5: so his ADP's out of control. But I still think

1211
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 5: he offers value even in the you know, wide receiver

1212
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 5: twenty eight to thirty range. I know people are arguing

1213
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 5: whether it's a hot take or not. I loved him

1214
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 5: before that game, so I just have to stay higher

1215
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 5: than him against consensus. But he's either way, He's going

1216
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 5: to be Josh Allen's number two target, and he has

1217
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 5: shined anytime he's seen you know, starter playing time. Last year,

1218
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 5: he was severely limited behind Colby's any male Sanders, so

1219
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 5: it wasn't shocking to see him go off in that game.

1220
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 5: When he finally you know ran route over seventy five

1221
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: percent of the time. So Raybon, I'm disappointing you're not

1222
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: wearing that ripped shirt. And this is gonna be the

1223
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 5: Gave Davis pod. But I mean, how am I going

1224
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 5: to pass him up here? So just in this range,

1225
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 5: I still love Gave Davis. Yeah, you know, I love

1226
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: me some gave Davis as well.

1227
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: But I'll go with Elijah more here because I think,

1228
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, looking at the you know he's down at

1229
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: wide receiver thirty four. I think you know, he's primed

1230
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: for a year to leave the guy who his targets

1231
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: per route runners up around twenty five percent, you know,

1232
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: his I know he did really well in reception perception

1233
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: as well. I think he was in like the seventies

1234
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: percent or better. So he's just a guy that can

1235
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: flat out get open and he was doing it like

1236
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: down the field. You know, his average at the target

1237
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: was around thirty and he was still commanding like a

1238
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 2: twenty five percent target per rout.

1239
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 4: I just think this guy could take a big step forward.

1240
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: And that's you know, even if he was doing all

1241
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: this with just like nothing really at the quarterback position.

1242
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 4: So you know that's also a really good sign.

1243
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: I think I think More will be the number one

1244
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: wide receiver this year. I think Garrett Wilson will probably

1245
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: spot in as the two, and Corey Davis will be

1246
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: kind of the forgotten one. But you know, for where

1247
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: he's going at wide receiver thirty four, I really like

1248
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: Elijah More. I think he's right in, you know, with

1249
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: all these other guys that are going, you know, wide

1250
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: receiver at twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty, you could get

1251
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: him sometimes around later. All right, let's talk about the

1252
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: guys outside the top thirty six.

1253
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: Give me one guy that you like in that range, Matt, Yeah.

1254
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm doubling down from last year. I'm going back to

1255
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk in this range. I mean, he's much you

1256
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: don't have to draft him as high as he did

1257
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: last year, right, So, I mean this the steady drum

1258
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: beat out of San Francisco matters a lot to me.

1259
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: How much they've been impressed to them, how much like

1260
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan's been publicly you know, we're publicly praising him

1261
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: everything like that, because we know what went so wrong

1262
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: in the first seven weeks of last year was he

1263
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: was basically just thrown into the doghouse. But you know,

1264
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: once he got out there, like in the last eight

1265
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: to weeks eight to eighteen, he was like a top

1266
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: twenty fantasy receiver. He was basically the guy that you

1267
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: drafted him to be. And I think there's a chance

1268
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: that he can take another step as a player. I mean,

1269
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: I just think he's so talented. He's really good in reception, perception,

1270
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 3: an awesome rookie year. Still had a pretty good year

1271
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: last year even though he was, you know, throwing the

1272
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: doghouse there for a while. And you know, it just

1273
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: sounds like they're very, very happy with him as a player,

1274
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, pretty much like from Beat reporters to fellow

1275
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: defenders like Jimmy Ward saying he's the best best player

1276
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: in training camp, and you know the coaching staff as well.

1277
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 3: Everybody's kind of on board with Ayuk. And I definitely

1278
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: had to knock and it's no shout on Diva, but

1279
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: I had like knock Deebo a couple of spots down

1280
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 3: just because I want to keep knocking Ayuke up as

1281
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: a guy that I think people should draft, because I

1282
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: just think that his ceiling as a player has yet

1283
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: to be reached. And I think that with the tradeover

1284
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: to Trey Lance now at the quarterback, like he's gonna

1285
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: unlock those more downfield portions of the season. Even if

1286
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: Trey Lance is probably gonna be a little bit of

1287
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: a roller coaster ride this year, which I think is

1288
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 3: just gonna be the case, I think that there's a

1289
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: lot of upside from an efficiency downfield passing perspective with

1290
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: a player like you can trailing Gray wents.

1291
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: Some pretty good in that in that preseason game, it

1292
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: was a Danny Gray with the with the long pass

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00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: that was on points.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I actually think Trey Vance will

1295
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: be fine.

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00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: So and I you was, you know, once he got going,

1297
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: he was out there like ninety five percent of the time.

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00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 4: Like he was he was one of those guys.

1299
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: That rarely rarely came off the field, So I would

1300
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: not be surprised to see him take another step.

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00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 4: Sean, what about you?

1302
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 5: Why I got to go with Drake London just because

1303
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 5: he's my favorite rookie wide receiver heading in the season.

1304
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 5: You guys that we all live in LA, it's very

1305
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: easy to watch USC football during the NFL season, So

1306
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 5: I do happen to watch my fair share of Trojan games,

1307
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 5: and just he reminded me sort of like a mixture

1308
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 5: of Mike Evans and Keenan Allen. Like I thought he

1309
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 5: was that good, and certainly it showed in his one

1310
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 5: preseason catch before he got hurt. I mean, it just

1311
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 5: proved my priors, so I thought it he looks solid.

1312
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 5: And unfortunately he might miss the rest of the preseason.

1313
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 5: I think that'll help his ADP because I think the

1314
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 5: more he was going to play in, the more film

1315
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 5: he's going to have out there, I think people will

1316
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: catch on. Plus, you know he's going to see a

1317
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: massive target sharing this offense. I don't even know who

1318
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 5: the hell to project for the wide receiver two right now?

1319
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 5: Is that Brian Edwards? I mean either way, this offense

1320
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 5: will throw flow through Cordall Patterson, Drake London and Kyle Pitt,

1321
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 5: So it's going to be a pretty narrow target share

1322
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 5: between those three. I just love his upside. He's going

1323
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 5: to have a high floor. So just getting him in

1324
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 5: this wide receiver forty to forty five range is the

1325
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 5: perfect time to take a gallic And this is when

1326
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 5: I was getting Mike Williams last year. And if he

1327
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 5: does happen to start off kind of slow in week one,

1328
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 5: do this new injury, which I'm not expecting. It doesn't

1329
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 5: matter because you're not drafting him for week one anyway.

1330
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 5: You're drafting him for once by week's hit or if

1331
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 5: he you know, breaks out. So I just love where

1332
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 5: he's going and he's he's got to be the favorite

1333
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 5: to score the most fantasy points for all rookie wide receivers.

1334
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: So I love getting him here.

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00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the Rake London two. I mean, he's just

1336
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 4: his ADP.

1337
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: I think it dropped a couple of spots maybe because

1338
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: of the injury, but at wide receiver forty five. I mean,

1339
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of gone back and forth on

1340
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: it and I loved him initially, but then I kind

1341
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: of worried, you know, is is he gonna be able

1342
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: to steparate?

1343
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: And then I went and looked back and watched him.

1344
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: But I'm with you.

1345
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy can get open like he's not

1346
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: He's not a stiff at all, like he's a He's

1347
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: just a big athletic guy that can get open.

1348
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 4: And I think he's gonna be able to do that.

1349
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: Now you never know, you know, the Falcons could they

1350
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: be maybe a lower volume passing team maybe, but I

1351
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: mean it's gonna be him and Kyle Pitt. So anytime

1352
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: you can get a wide receiver one that's like locked

1353
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: into a wide receiver one role at wide receiver forty five,

1354
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: I think you've got to take it in. I mean

1355
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: for perspective, Like right now, Drake London is going after

1356
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: Russell Gage, Alan Wizard and Chase Claypool. Like Russell Gage

1357
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: could be the wide receiver four on opening day. Alan

1358
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: Wizard is like, like he could be the wide receiver

1359
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: three unopening day and it will not stand for by

1360
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: the way Romeo Dobs baby. But uh yeah no, I mean,

1361
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: but I mean like this guy's locked into his his

1362
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: role and it's only going to grow. So like you

1363
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: can essentially buy Drake London like at his probably lower

1364
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: than his floor right now.

1365
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: Yep.

1366
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, I can't go to anybody else. There's

1367
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: other guys, I like, you know, Robert Woods. I'm cautiously optimistic.

1368
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: We'll see how he's recovering. Locket I mentioned, I think

1369
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: he's going to well at thirty nine. But London, I

1370
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: mean you've got to be He's got to be, and

1371
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: everyone's like your fourth or whatever fifth wide receiver, like

1372
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: it has to be Drake London at the CDP. All right,

1373
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: that there we go. That was a that was a

1374
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: good pod. Matt really really appreciate you, uh taking the

1375
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: time out to join us. Be sure to tell everybody

1376
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,959
Speaker 2: uh what you're up to and where they.

1377
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Speaker 4: Can find you.

1378
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, appreciate you guys having on. I feel like

1379
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: this is the meat of like the wide receiver position

1380
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: this year. Like you got to really hack a few

1381
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 3: guys from here, get those second year receivers on your

1382
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: team out. Love a lot of those players this year.

1383
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