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Speaker 1: as you'll see, it's just as relevant today. It originally

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Speaker 1: aired on March twenty sixth, twenty nineteen. Enjoy. Late night

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Speaker 1: talk shows are dominated by left wing comics. Do you

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Speaker 1: ever wonder why Jimmy Kimmel thinks he knows the answer?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much every late night talk show host is a liberal,

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Speaker 3: and that's because it requires a met your of intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jimmy Kimmel used to date Sarah Silverman, so he

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Speaker 1: can't claim to be that smart. But it's not just

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Speaker 1: late night. You'd be hard pressed to find a popular

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Speaker 1: But why why are all mainstream comedians liberals? I'm Patrick Carelchi.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Adriana Cortez.

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Speaker 1: And this is Red Pilled America a storytelling show. This

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Speaker 1: is not another talk show covering the day's news. We

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Speaker 1: are all about telling stories.

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Speaker 2: Stories. Hollywood doesn't want.

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Speaker 1: The media mocks the.

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Speaker 2: Stories about everyday Americans that the elites ignore.

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Speaker 1: You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries,

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Speaker 1: and we promise only one thing, the truth. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Red Pilled America. So why are all mainstream comedians liberals?

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Speaker 1: For many years I thought I knew the answer. Hollywood

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Speaker 1: whole truth. To find the answer, We're going to follow

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Speaker 1: the story of one of the funniest guys on the planet.

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Speaker 1: In the process will learn the price a funny man

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Speaker 1: start thumbing through Facebook. Someone shared a CBS News report

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Speaker 1: the name Gavin McGinnis is in the headline. You've been

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Speaker 1: He's founder of a far right group known as the

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Speaker 1: Proud Boys. Facebook and Instagram just banned him and his

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Speaker 1: The Southern Poverty Law Center claims Gavin's Proud Boys hate

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Speaker 1: group planned violent appearances at political rallies using Facebook. Hmm,

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Speaker 1: well that's not good. You go on with your day.

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Speaker 1: A few weeks later, you jump in your car and

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Speaker 4: An organization known as the Proud Boys has been at

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Speaker 5: Hi there, Hi, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: To begin with, explain who the Proud Boys are and

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Speaker 5: So, the Proud Boys are a self described Western chauvinist

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't quiet his problems. A few weeks later,

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Speaker 1: To understand how Gavin McGinnis has found himself in the

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Speaker 2: Wars Hi and Adrianna Qortez. Gavin's story begins across the pond.

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Speaker 2: So I purpatures region, in other words, Scottish.

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Speaker 6: The Scots are very brutal, They're very in your face.

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Speaker 6: And what Booze does is it incapacitates you. So now

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Speaker 6: It's like a little battle going on right in your body.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's why they're such drunks. But it

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Speaker 6: also makes them funny and brutally honest. So my dad

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Speaker 6: and no one would trust an irishman, so why change

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Speaker 6: his name from McGinnis to mcinness. But he was from

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Speaker 6: the Gorbels, which is a slum, and he was a

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Speaker 6: He's got a boxer's nose from brawling. And I think

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Speaker 6: My dad's a big drunk and I think that caused

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Speaker 6: He got a scholarship to Glasgow University.

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Speaker 2: He came out with a degree in physics, and at

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Speaker 6: So he got a great job in England, moved my

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Speaker 6: of Luton, very posh and so my working class parents

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Speaker 6: So they just said to the world, anyone who can

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Speaker 2: Gavin's dad found work at engineering subcontracting for Canada's southern neighbor.

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Speaker 6: Back then, a lot of the engineering stuff was for

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Speaker 6: I swear I was concerned about power lines. It can't

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Speaker 6: The eating was a huge pain in the ass, and

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Speaker 2: There wasn't three hundred cable stations, so there was nothing

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Speaker 2: Punk fit like a glove for Gavin. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: There was a band at the club called anal Schnook.

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Speaker 1: Patrick crelci So. In nineteen ninety four, Gavin McGuinness had

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Speaker 6: This is when I had this epiphany on my roof

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Speaker 1: And then like magic, A friend of Gavin's told him

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Speaker 1: The scamming Haitians that owned the publication weren't helping sell

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Speaker 1: So now the guys were on their own. They were

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Speaker 1: starting fresh, and the three became partners in this new

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Speaker 1: venture called Wes Magazine. Sarouche handled all the music, Shane

435
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Speaker 1: handled all the sales, and Gavin handled the entire editorial

436
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Speaker 1: content and graphic design. Weiss started off as a music

437
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: and culture magazine, but it would become something completely fresh

438
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: and publishing. It covered counterculture with an anti journalism flare.

439
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: Gavin mocked the traditional writing style that was ubiquitous in

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Speaker 1: other culture magazines, showing Gavin's roots. Weiss had a punk

441
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Speaker 1: sensibility with a Scottish sense of humor. It was crude,

442
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: even shocking and always sarcastic. If they were writing about

443
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: drug addicts and prostitutes, it felt like the articles were

444
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: written by drug addicts and prostitutes, people that were right

445
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: there in the mix of it all. It appeared like

446
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: they were hanging out with the dregs of society because

447
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: they were. There was nothing like it on the market,

448
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: But this debauched approach to editorial still had to make money.

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Speaker 6: Shane said, we need fashion ads, and I go, I

450
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 6: look at fashion shoots and I want to slit my wrists.

451
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 6: They're so full of I mean, you look pick up

452
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Speaker 6: any magazine today and look at the fashion. What are

453
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Speaker 6: they doing? Why is she upside down? Why does she

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00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 6: have a toaster on her foot? You know? And I said,

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Speaker 6: I don't want to do fashion shoots like that, and

456
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Speaker 6: he said, well, you got to figure something out, because

457
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Speaker 6: without fashion we don't have a magazine. So I said, okay,

458
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Speaker 6: let's do a page of dues and it'll be the

459
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Speaker 6: client's clothes, and then a page of don'ts, and will

460
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Speaker 6: dress people up in ridiculous outfits. And then I started

461
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Speaker 6: taking pictures of people on the street and then we

462
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Speaker 6: would do fashion shoots. But they had to have some

463
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Speaker 6: sort of editorial bent, so it would be like, uh,

464
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Speaker 6: the children have single dads in the hood, and then

465
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Speaker 6: we dressed them up in our client's close, but there'd

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Speaker 6: be editorial merit to the photoshooter.

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Speaker 1: I was introduced to Wes around nineteen ninety seven. I

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Speaker 1: created a fashion event that would later be credited with

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Speaker 1: starting a trend called pop up retail. That event was

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Speaker 1: so hot, I was hired to create and produce a

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Speaker 1: subculture trade show for what was then the largest fashion

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Speaker 1: trade show in North America called Magic International. Every youth

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Speaker 1: culture magazine in the English speaking world had to be there,

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Speaker 1: so I can say with some authority that wece stood

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Speaker 1: out head and shoulders above that crowd. It covered every

476
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Speaker 1: substantial youth subculture movement under the sun in a way

477
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Speaker 1: absolutely no one else did. That was all Gavin, and

478
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Speaker 1: I should note there wasn't even a remote hint of

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Speaker 1: bias against any particular race or ethnicity. They celebrated and

480
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: insulted everyone with equal measure. No topic was off limits,

481
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Speaker 1: and there was no sacred cows. Vice garnered a fiercely

482
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Speaker 1: loyal following because of.

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Speaker 6: It, and we were doing great there. From ninety six

484
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Speaker 6: to ninety nine.

485
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Speaker 1: But there came a point where the guys needed money

486
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Speaker 1: to grow it.

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Speaker 6: And then Shane convinced this guy, Richard Sowinsky, this local

488
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Speaker 6: multimillionaire who made a lot of money on Jurassic Park

489
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Speaker 6: special effects. He bought twenty five percent of us for

490
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 6: quarter mil and so we each had like eighty five grand.

491
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Speaker 6: We'd never had money before at all.

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Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety nine the three took their newly

493
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Speaker 1: fat wallets and moved from Canada to New York. The

494
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Speaker 1: company was growing. Their investor was pumping serious money into

495
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: the business and coaxing them to spend it, sometimes foolishly.

496
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Speaker 1: This was the dot com boom, and Vice was benefiting

497
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Speaker 1: from it. They had a record label, They opened retail

498
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Speaker 1: stores where they sold gear by the youth brands featured

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Speaker 1: in the magazine. For the first time, Gavin had a

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Speaker 1: budget to work with, almost too much budget. Gavin felt

501
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Speaker 1: something was.

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Speaker 6: Off and we were living high on the hog from

503
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Speaker 6: ninety nine till about two thousand and one, and then

504
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Speaker 6: we learned he has no money.

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Speaker 1: When the dot com bubble burst, their investor had to

506
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: cease all funding of the magazine almost overnight. The company

507
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: took a big hit, and Shane and Serous focused on

508
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: pulling the company out of debt. They got the business

509
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Speaker 1: back from the Canadian investor by offering pennies on the

510
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Speaker 1: dollar to regain full ownership. And while Shane and Sarrouche

511
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Speaker 1: focused on getting the business out of the red, Gavin

512
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Speaker 1: focused on producing the magazine.

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Speaker 6: Now it's two thousand and three and we're in the

514
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Speaker 6: Triple five soul Loft in Williamsburg. Williamsburg was a dangerous

515
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 6: role at the time. It's hard to believe, but back

516
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: then it was just junkies and Puerto Rican kids running

517
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 6: around without a dad and with a golf club in

518
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Speaker 6: their hand, ready to knock out people. They were playing

519
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 6: the knockout game with a golf club instead of a fist,

520
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 6: and crabs wouldn't go there. From Manhattan. It was a

521
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Speaker 6: pain in the ass.

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Speaker 1: While in Williamsburg, Gavin was at the center of defining

523
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Speaker 1: the youth culture movement that would dominate the next decade.

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Speaker 6: And I think when we moved to Williamsburg, I was

525
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 6: essentially the dos and don'ts were essentially saying rules every day.

526
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 6: There was one do and one don't every single day.

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Speaker 6: So the thing about the dues and don'ts every single

528
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 6: day was I was inadvertently creating a rule book. And

529
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Speaker 6: that's what subcultures are. Punk mods, skinheads, boot boys, skaters,

530
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 6: metal heads, goth. There's a series of rules with goth.

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Speaker 6: You have to wear black, you have to be morbid,

532
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 6: you're supposed to be sullen, you make your face white,

533
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 6: you listen to these bands. You know, you can't wear

534
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 6: orange rubber boots. That's not gos So. I was indvertently

535
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 6: creating the parameters of a subculture, and eventually, from around

536
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Speaker 6: two thousand up two thousand and two thousand and five,

537
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Speaker 6: we had created this look.

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Speaker 1: That look was the hipster Gavin would come to be

539
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Speaker 1: known as the godfather of hipsterdem.

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Speaker 6: And it was Williamsburg. It was skateboards, it was stealing

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Speaker 6: your music, it was secondhand clothes, a lot of Montreal

542
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Speaker 6: kind of stuff. And we were heavily influenced by the

543
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Speaker 6: sort of this group of kids, Ryan McGinley Dashed Snow.

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Speaker 6: They call themselves Iraq because to rak is to shoplift,

545
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 6: and they're all stealing stuff, stealing clothes and stuff, and

546
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 6: they helped define it. The skinny jeans and the mustache

547
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 6: and the ironic T shirt and the army coat and

548
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 6: the air Jordan's and the next thing you know, there

549
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 6: was a subculture.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to overstate the impact of hipsters on American culture.

551
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: It defined the ever elusive term cool and marked the

552
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: new gentrification of urban neighborhoods, and Gavin McGuinness was at

553
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Speaker 1: the center of it all. This is truly one of

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Speaker 1: his gifts, one that he holds in rare abundance. Gavin

555
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: is good at identifying a growing movement that no one

556
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: else really sees, then creating a thing out of it,

557
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: and he does it all with comedic flare. Gavin's talent

558
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: was even recognized at the time by late night leftist

559
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel when he told The New York Times quote,

560
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: people throw the term politically incorrect around a lot, and

561
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: normally it's a lot of bluster. But weis truly is

562
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: un PC. Their brand of humor is what I would

563
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: do if there were no standards and practices on TV.

564
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: But this gift, this ability to be in the center

565
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: of a movement and having fun while in the middle

566
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Speaker 1: of it, that gift would also turn into Gavin's personal curse.

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Speaker 1: More after the break Welcome back to red Pilled America. So,

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Speaker 1: while Gavin was busy defining the youth culture movement of

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Speaker 1: the decade, the hipsters, his partners were busy trying to

570
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Speaker 1: make the company profitable. Gavin was largely sheltered from this headache,

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Speaker 1: and it may have been the beginning of a rift

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Speaker 1: between him and his partners. You see, Gavin's job as

573
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Speaker 1: the editor of the youth media company Vice meant his

574
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: punk ethos, his crude and sarcastic youthful energy stuck around

575
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: with him longer than most people. It was his job

576
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: to know what was happening on the streets, so when

577
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: others were getting older and boring, Gavin kept his edge.

578
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: That became part of his DNA.

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Speaker 6: You know that my job was to go out and

580
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Speaker 6: see what people are doing. You know, I would go

581
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 6: out every night till four in the morning, and I'd

582
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Speaker 6: find a guy from Canal Plus who bought a dirty bomb,

583
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Speaker 6: and that would become an article in the paper about

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Speaker 6: this guy who was so close to terrorists he bought

585
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Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon. And maybe it's part of my personality.

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00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 6: I just like making a thing. I like making a gang,

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Speaker 6: making a group.

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Speaker 1: Put on the flip side. His partner, Shane and Serous

589
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: were focused on growing the business. So Gavin's no limits,

590
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: no sacred cow's mentality, the same energy that made Vice

591
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: successful was on a collision course with his partner's desire

592
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Speaker 1: to expand.

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Speaker 6: You know, at our tenure anniversary, I was dressed as

594
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Speaker 6: a Nazi skinhead. I had hired midgets to do midget tossing,

595
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 6: and I was broadcasting Japanese puke porn on an Imax

596
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 6: screen that was about forty feet wide, and it was

597
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 6: also Japanese too, and people were throwing up and fighting

598
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Speaker 6: and it was chaos, and I liked that, And that's

599
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 6: my background. You know, eventually, when you're merging with HBO

600
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 6: and Viacom and all these different companies, it just becomes impossible.

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Speaker 6: That was part of my business plan. I want editorial

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 6: and advertising to be enemies. I want ad editoral to

603
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 6: make fun of sales guys when they walk in, and

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00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 6: I want editorial guys to feel very uncomfortable when they're

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00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: in the sales part of the office. But eventually, you

606
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 6: know that conflict can't last forever, and it's going to snap.

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00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: And snap it did in two thousand and eight, Gavin Leftweiss.

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Speaker 1: The official statement at the time was that the partners

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00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: had creative differences. After he left, Gavin wrote a couple

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Speaker 1: of books, including his autobiography, The Death of Cool. He

611
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: went on a stand up comedy tour to promote the book,

612
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: and that turned into a documentary called The Brotherhood of

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00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: the Traveling Rants. He also took up acting, appearing in

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Speaker 1: a few movies, and spent some time in the Hollywood circuit.

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Speaker 6: I was also pitching TV and comedy shows and stuff,

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Speaker 6: and that was actually, although you've never heard of any

617
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: of them doing pretty well, get like forty grand to

618
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 6: put together a pilot and they never made it to air.

619
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Speaker 6: But that was a good gig too.

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Speaker 1: And he started an advertising agency called Rooster that he

621
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: ended up selling to a larger advertising firm. But with

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00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: all these new creative ventures, it wouldn't be long before

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Speaker 1: the hipster beast that Gavin created would come back to

624
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: bite him in the ass. By twenty fourteen, the hipster

625
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: movement had taken a bad turn.

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Speaker 6: It sort of fell apart. It sort of split became

627
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 6: like fake biker types on one end of the spectrum

628
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 6: and then the other end. These metro sexuals who were

629
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Speaker 6: genderless blobs. And now, I mean, the thing it's become

630
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 6: is just these really irritating, shrill social justice warriors that

631
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: want to get you fired and ruin your life if

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00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: you don't support all their crazy views one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And he learned that firsthand when they decided to take

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00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: down their godfather. Gavin penned an op ed entitled transphobia

635
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: is perfectly natural for a popular hipster website.

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00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 6: And then I said trans people are not women, you're

637
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: mentally ill Gaze and that didn't go downgrade. This is

638
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 6: the beginning of the real mob Twitter. And they just

639
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 6: bombarded all our clients and and and us in the office.

640
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 6: And so my co co worker said, can we just

641
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 6: say you're on leave or something? And I said, whatever works,

642
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 6: And it didn't work, and Havas fired us all shut

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Speaker 6: down the agency.

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Speaker 1: And it didn't stop there.

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00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: But after the tranny thing, the creative community kind of

646
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 6: cut me out and I was personing on grata in

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Speaker 6: all of California.

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Speaker 1: His Hollywood manager, Jimmy Miller, the brother of the famed

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Speaker 1: comedian Dennis Miller, was one of the biggest managers in Tinseltown.

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Speaker 1: He managed Will Farrell and Jim Carrey.

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Speaker 6: He didn't know I was conservative, and Jimmy goes, how

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Speaker 6: did I not know? You're the most conservative person on earth?

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Speaker 6: I said, I'm not, and I don't know. Yeah, he

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Speaker 6: dt me. So anyway, I was, you know, more and

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Speaker 6: more oostra sized. Can't do criticize like people go, why

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Speaker 6: don't you do humor anymore? I go, because humor fired me.

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Speaker 1: This was all probably a sign to Gavin that his

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Speaker 1: no limits punk ethos was no longer welcome in hipsterdom.

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Speaker 1: But being quiet is not how he rolls. Gavin had

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Speaker 1: already become a contributor to Fox News, but he added

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Speaker 1: to that by turning to the web. In mid twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: he began producing talk shows for both Canadian conservative outfit

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Speaker 1: Rebel Media and radio legend Anthony Comia's new streaming network.

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Speaker 1: He called his show with Cama The Gavin McGuinness Show,

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Speaker 1: and it launched the day before Donald Trump announced his

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Speaker 1: campaign for the presidency. The timing couldn't have been more perfect.

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Speaker 1: Gavin would become one of Donald Trump's earliest and most

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Speaker 1: colorful supporters, like throughout his entire life, watching the rise

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Speaker 1: of Trump Gavin must have instinctively felt a shift in

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Speaker 1: the zyageist the rise of transgenderism, the hipster de evolution,

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Speaker 1: the Twitter mobs, the war against Western values, the feminization

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Speaker 1: of men. All of this, this rise of the social

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Speaker 1: justice warriors was bound to get spark to a counter movement.

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Speaker 1: Gavin's entire life was building up to this moment in culture.

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Speaker 1: The Western values he held in such high regard were

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Speaker 1: now under siege. His satirical sensibilities, the mail camaraderie of

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Speaker 1: his youth, the desire to treat all races equally, the

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Speaker 1: value of family, the natural roles of men and women,

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Speaker 1: his no sacred cow's approach to public discourse, his entire

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Speaker 1: punk ethos was now under attack by the very hipster

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Speaker 1: movement he curated into existence. In response, his natural group

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Speaker 1: forming ability kicked in, and that gave rise to a

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Speaker 1: fraternal club he called the Proud Boys. Here's Gavin explaining it.

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Speaker 6: In eighteen forty, when Alexis Totolkville came here. He said,

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Speaker 6: America is a nation of clubs. He was coming from

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Speaker 6: a nation of homos called France. But outside of that

687
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Speaker 6: weak province, the West was a nation of clubs. The

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Speaker 6: Knights of Columbus, the No Nothings, the Shriners. We always

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Speaker 6: had these clubs, and Gloria Steinhem decreed them sexist in

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Speaker 6: the eighties and that was the end of clubs. So

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Speaker 6: I thought, why don't we bring this back. Why don't

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Speaker 6: we have a men's club, no parameters, just dudes. You

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Speaker 6: have to be born male, by the way, and believe

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Speaker 6: it or not, that has actually come up. I've had

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Speaker 6: boulders come and go, can I be part of this? Sorry? No,

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Speaker 6: why not? We're never going to use this. And I go, yeah,

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Speaker 6: just go to the Proud Boys, girls, and you'll be

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Speaker 6: the most masculine one there as opposed to the most

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Speaker 6: feminine man that we have in our club. Anyway, I

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Speaker 6: gave away the name, but I started a men's club

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Speaker 6: called the Proud Boys. And we have one caveat, and

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Speaker 6: that is you have to be a Western chauvinist. Now,

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Speaker 6: Libbel's are lazy, so they hear the word chauvinus and

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Speaker 6: they assume male chauvenus. And that's why I use that word,

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Speaker 6: because they're too lazy to look it up. And it

706
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Speaker 6: just means a nationalist to patriot. And you have to

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Speaker 6: think the West is the best.

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Speaker 9: And it exploded.

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Speaker 6: There's thousands of members all over the world. There's Proud

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Speaker 6: Boys Africa, There's Proud Boys Japan. We've got about five

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Speaker 6: different divisions in Australia. And I just made it up,

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Speaker 6: like the We're called Proud Boys because I went to

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Speaker 6: one of my kids' music recitals and some ponts got

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Speaker 6: up there and while everyone's playing a piano in the

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Speaker 6: violin and doing stuff they tried, he gets up and

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Speaker 6: he goes, proud of you, a boy, Make you proud

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Speaker 6: of you boy. It's some song from Aladdin. And I

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Speaker 6: was looking around for the dad because I thought, there's

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Speaker 6: no way this dad is proud of his boy. And

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Speaker 6: of course he was the child of a single mom. Duh.

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Speaker 6: His mother told him, yes, sing a song. That's a talent,

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Speaker 6: and there was no dad to say no, you're not

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Speaker 6: play the piano, for Christ's sakes. So we made up

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Speaker 6: these rules. There's just like the Knights of Columbus. There's

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Speaker 6: first degree, second degree, third degree. What's the second degree?

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Speaker 6: Galve and I went, you have to get beaten up

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Speaker 6: by five men for how long until you can name

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Speaker 6: five breakfast cereals done? Third degree what's the third degree gave?

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Speaker 6: You have to quit porn and get a tattoo done.

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Speaker 6: It's massive, I was saying too and culter the other day.

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Speaker 6: I'd love to have you come and do a talk

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Speaker 6: one of our meetups. But you're a woman. I don't

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Speaker 6: know how to do that. Maybe you could wear a

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Speaker 6: burka or something. You could do a video. And she goes,

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Speaker 6: I don't want to come to your club. I don't

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Speaker 6: want to ruin that, she goes. My father was in

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Speaker 6: these kind of clubs and one day they just disappeared,

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Speaker 6: and what did men do? They were told it was

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Speaker 6: sexist to congregate, so they went to strip clubs.

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Speaker 1: Although they had their first in person meeting in July

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Gavin didn't introduce the Proud Boys to the

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Speaker 1: public until September fifteenth, twenty sixteen, the height of the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election. The group was a political however, its

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Speaker 1: tenants of Western chauvinism meant it was to facto in

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Speaker 1: the Trump camp. If Trump got any traction, the Proud

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Speaker 1: Boys would become a political target of the left. Attraction

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Speaker 1: would arrive November eighth, twenty sixteen, Gavin and the Proud

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Speaker 1: Boys met in New York City for election Night.

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Speaker 6: I'm a Western chauvinist.

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Speaker 10: For all of Baws.

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Speaker 11: For creating the model wall.

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Speaker 12: And there's the big board the twenty electoral votes from

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Speaker 12: the state of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 6: We just got new metrics in Donald J.

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Speaker 12: Trump is the President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Elect But, as Gavin and the Proud Boys would soon learn,

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Speaker 1: they were about to become a target for unpersoning by

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Speaker 1: the radical left. More after the break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this story. So, in the eyes of

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Speaker 1: our elites, the inexplicable happened. Trump won the election and

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Speaker 1: Gavin and the Proud Boys could not have been prouder

776
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: of their boy, But they were about to learn that

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Speaker 1: they had just become an enormous target. The attacks started

778
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Speaker 1: in Earnest at a Trump inauguration party called the DeploraBall Antifa,

779
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Speaker 1: a violent leftist extremist group, threatened to attack the event.

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Speaker 1: Gavin anticipated trouble that night, but didn't want that to

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Speaker 1: affect their right to peaceable assembly.

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Speaker 6: And these guys, what's amazing about them is they're not scared,

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Speaker 6: like they're picking a fight with us, and they assume

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Speaker 6: that we're going to be the same beta male cocks

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00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 6: that they are and shy away. I'm happy to fight

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Speaker 6: any of them. And even when these bikers I can't

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Speaker 6: remember how many it was, was it twenty or twenty thousand, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't know. These bikers that say they're going to

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Speaker 6: form a wall of meat, I think that's a colorful phrase.

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Speaker 1: When he arrived, an ANTIPHA member attempted targeting Gavin for attack,

791
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Speaker 1: but the punker and Gavin came out and he pushed

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Speaker 1: the guy to show he wouldn't be intimidated. Gavin spoke

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Speaker 1: about the incident at the time.

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Speaker 6: There's this assumption that if you antagonize people, they're just

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Speaker 6: going to take it, and I think those days are

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Speaker 6: done now. It's post Obama, and if you show up

797
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Speaker 6: to an event where we're just trying to hang out

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Speaker 6: together and have a nice time, we're not gonna let you.

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Speaker 1: A few days later, social commentator Milo Uanapolis was scheduled

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Speaker 1: to speak at UC Berkeley. Antifa rioted at the location

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Speaker 1: and the event was swiftly canceled.

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Speaker 13: Overnight, mayhem on campus the University of California, Berkeley erupting

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Speaker 13: in flames as over one thousand came out to protests

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Speaker 13: and appearance by the self described right wing internet troll

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Speaker 13: Milo Yanopoulos.

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Speaker 10: And we will not tolerate racism or sex with them,

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Speaker 10: or hay crimes and violence.

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Speaker 2: He's a fascist and Berkeley did not welcome him.

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Speaker 1: But a few proud boys trying to attend Milo's speech

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Speaker 1: got outnumbered and beaten by the violent Antipha rioters. Gavin

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Speaker 1: was scheduled to speak at NYU the next day. With

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Speaker 1: Milo's event now less than a day old, Gavin no

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Speaker 1: doubt knew there may be trouble, so a few proud

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Speaker 1: boys escorted him to NYU's campus. But right when Gavin arrived,

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Speaker 1: Antifa converged on him. One antiphone member pepper sprayed Gavin

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Speaker 1: in the face. The godfather of hipsterdom barely made it

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Speaker 1: onto campus. In his opening remarks, he reflected on the attack.

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Speaker 6: And then the other fun game is play it truth Like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'm not you got a pepper spray right, I'm here.

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Speaker 14: By the way, I've never paper spray before.

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Speaker 6: That is a ride.

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Speaker 9: Whoa.

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Speaker 1: But just a few minutes into his speech, protesters interrupted

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Speaker 1: and wouldn't let him continue.

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Speaker 4: Did they not go?

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Speaker 1: Gavin had to cut it short and exited the campus

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Speaker 1: to a rabid mob. One woman who claimed she was

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Speaker 1: a professor was going absolutely mental over Gavin's mere presence.

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Speaker 1: It was a sight to behold. Antifa's mission became clear,

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Speaker 1: shut down any and all events associated with Gavin and

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Speaker 1: prominent Trump supporters. An Antifa ally made that very point

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Speaker 1: outside Gavin's NYU appearance.

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Speaker 6: What are you hoping that people here gathered today will

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Speaker 6: think about the whole send a message or yes, I think.

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Speaker 11: That people like Evan McGinnis brig to Spencer, people like

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Speaker 11: Sam Hides be afraid be a public people.

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Speaker 1: Gavin was clearly aware of what was happening.

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Speaker 6: Did you expect on the heels of what happened to

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Speaker 6: Milo that something might be happening because of what happened

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Speaker 6: at UC Berkeley. Oh, we were told. We were told

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Speaker 6: that they were going to attack, as they had made

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Speaker 6: Facebook pages and Twitter and New York Antifa was coming

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Speaker 6: to disrupt. They made it very clear that they were

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Speaker 6: going to kick my ass. I didn't know they were

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Speaker 6: going to be.

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Speaker 4: Using bear mace.

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Speaker 6: That was a surprise. But NYU had a back door

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Speaker 6: we could have got in, and I said, no, I'm

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Speaker 6: not going in the back door. I'm not ashamed. We

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Speaker 6: started getting attacked, like I got attacked at NYU when

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Speaker 6: I was doing a talk. I mean I had to

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Speaker 6: fight Antifa, not like for fun, but to get in

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Speaker 6: and out of the venue.

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Speaker 1: Gavin was called a Nazi by the ANTIFAK protesters. When

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Speaker 1: he got home. He hugged one of his Native American kids.

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Speaker 1: The pepper spray still in his clothes made his child

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Speaker 1: break out in hives. Here's Gavin, a man that grew

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Speaker 1: up in the punk scene, that hustled to make it

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Speaker 1: in life, a man that lived to participate in cultural movements,

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Speaker 1: a staunch free speech advocate, a man that had fighting

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Speaker 1: back in his blood, was being threatened with violence if

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Speaker 1: he even came out in the public. This was not

863
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Speaker 1: a situation that Gavin or his Praternal club was going

864
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Speaker 1: to back down from.

865
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 6: They were mobbing us. So we started being more than

866
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 6: just a drinking club. And now it was let's provide

867
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 6: security for people like Lauren Southern and you know, Ben Shapiro,

868
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 6: Alan Dershowitz and make sure these Antifa pussies can't prevent them.

869
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 6: And so we started doing sort of like Guardian Angels

870
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Speaker 6: volunteer security.

871
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: In mid April twenty seventeen, the Proud Boys went to

872
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: a Patriot rally at Berkeley to protect the participants. Antifa

873
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: attacked the pro Trump attendees and even threw m eighties

874
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: into the crowd. An ANTIPHA member involved in the melee

875
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: was asked by a reporter if she condoned the throwing

876
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: of these explosives into the crowd.

877
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 10: I asked her whether or not she would condemn the

878
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 10: throng of fireworks some explosives into the crowds, and she

879
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 10: responded first with the revolution. The revolution isn't effing easy,

880
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 10: and I think it's situational.

881
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if you are.

882
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 10: I don't know, I don't I know you don't speak

883
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 10: for the entire group, but do you condemn the throwing

884
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 10: of you know, fireworks isn't easy.

885
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I got spray and against a.

886
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 10: Real I'm just wondering if you think throwing a mades

887
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 10: into a crowd of people is justifiable.

888
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: A few weeks later, an culter was scheduled to give

889
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: a speech at UC Berkeley. Antifa threatened violence, and the

890
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: school responded by telling Anne she'd be liable for any

891
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: damage caused by the event, so Anne canceled. Gavin wasn't

892
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: going to let this mob terminate free speech, so he

893
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: took one for the team.

894
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 6: So Anne is out. I have tried to convince her

895
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 6: to go, but you know what Anne is.

896
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 9: She's older than me.

897
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 14: She's an accomplished best New York Times bestselling author. It's

898
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 14: not really her job to get into brawls. She's our

899
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 14: Christopher Hitchins. Why does she need to risk her life.

900
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 14: So I didn't intend to do this, but I'm going

901
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 14: to hop on a plane right now and go down there,

902
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 14: and I'm going to do her speech. I'm also going

903
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 14: to try to get other speakers to go in there.

904
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 14: I don't care if we have to use a bullhorn

905
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 14: and we're screaming from some random hills side in the

906
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 14: middle of Berkeley. I think our security, our army will

907
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 14: be a bigger audience than most of these liberals get

908
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 14: when they do talks.

909
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 8: So you go, once.

910
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 6: Again, you have created this mythical universe of Nazis on

911
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 6: every corner, and you've tried to shut it down based

912
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 6: on that line.

913
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 14: Well, we're not allowing that to happen.

914
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 6: The show must go on.

915
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: Kevin showed up to Berkeley surrounded by Hispanic, black and

916
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: white Proud Boys as his security, and Red Ann's speech

917
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: to the crowd.

918
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 15: Uh Ann was banned because she's a Nazi, because she's

919
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 15: a racist, because she hates Mexicans, because she's a sexist.

920
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 15: That's the world we're in right now, where Milow a

921
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 15: gay immigrant is banned for being homophobic and against gays.

922
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 15: So we're in a funny situation where the fascists are.

923
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 6: The anti fascists and.

924
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 15: They're shutting down women and gays and minorities and preventing

925
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 15: them from having their say.

926
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 6: And the beauty of.

927
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 15: The First Amendment and the beauty of America is it

928
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 15: allows for these mistakes. It allows for these checks and balances.

929
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 15: And what happens is you have a debate, if someone

930
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 15: has a crazy view, you discuss it, you have a

931
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 15: Q and A, and it gets ironed out. Where should these

932
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 15: q and as happen? Where should this discourse happen? How

933
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 15: about a university that's a the logical place for ideas

934
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 15: to get hashed out. We will continue to promote free speech,

935
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 15: to speak freely no matter who is against us, because

936
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 15: that's what America is about.

937
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: What Gavin was doing was ballsy, It was patriotic. He

938
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: wasn't going to allow violent threats of Antifa to stop

939
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: the American right to peaceable assembly. And he wasn't even

940
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: an American citizen. He took a stand, and he did

941
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: it with his signature sense of humor. His approach was

942
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: attracting young men, and as everyone knows, the young at

943
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: the backbone of the Democratic Party, Gavin's efforts had to

944
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: be stopped. Enter the Southern poverty Lasson, known by its

945
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: acronym the SPLC, is a once respected civil rights organization

946
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: that in its heyday took on and bankrupt the klu

947
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: Klux Klan. Today they create a hate map showing the

948
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: location of various organizations that they classify as hate groups,

949
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: but its critics now say that the SPLC has morphed

950
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: into political hit men by expanding the definition of hate

951
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: to extract larger and larger donations. In twenty ten, they

952
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: classified the Family Research Council as an anti gay hate group.

953
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, a gunman walked into the Family Research

954
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: Council headquarters with the intent to kill its staff and

955
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: smash Chick fil A sandwiches in the faces of each

956
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: of his victims. The building manager on site forwarded the

957
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: gunman's plan and was shot in the process. The shooter

958
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: was caught in questioned by the FBI, So.

959
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: How did you do this building this organization?

960
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 6: Did you?

961
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 3: How did you find you look up online?

962
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 9: Or how did you enable to a Southern property law,

963
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 9: anti hate groups, researches for the website, and.

964
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 14: Stuff like that.

965
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: The SPLC's hate map puts its targets lives in danger.

966
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: Their critics claim that they've found a way to monetize hate.

967
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Designating hate groups has been quite a lucrative business for

968
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: the SPLC. Hollywood's Look on Valley and others have helped

969
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: them amass a war chest in excess of half a

970
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Poverty is nowhere to be found in the

971
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Law Center, and no matter how much money

972
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: the organization raises to fight hate, according to their statistics,

973
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: hate strangely continues to rise, which makes sense. If you

974
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: make money finding hate, you'll come up with ways to

975
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: find or create more of it. Despite all of this,

976
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: the SPLC is still considered by many within the mainstream

977
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: media to be the official classifier of hate groups. Gavin

978
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: and the Proud Boys were victims of Antifa attacks that

979
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: didn't to matter to the SBLC. They began using their

980
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: reputation and massive war chest to create a narrative that

981
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: the godfather of hipsterdom was now using his skills to

982
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: create a neo Nazi movement. Gavin was forced to push back.

983
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 6: Why we don't allow Nazis in the Proud Boys. Before

984
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 6: we get started, though, I would like to make it

985
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 6: clear that Nazis don't exist. All those hate crimes you

986
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 6: see are hoaxes. They're all fake because everyone wants her

987
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 6: to be a Nazi. They took that in university and

988
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 6: it's their entire job, and the fact that there aren't

989
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 6: any is causing a real supply and demand problem.

990
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: When a free speech event called Unite the Right was

991
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: scheduled in Charlottesville, Virginia to protest the proposed takedown of

992
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: a Democrat Confederate monument, Gavin sents the event was a trap,

993
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: so he disavowed the rally months before it was scheduled

994
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: and encouraged Proud Boys not to attend. It was a

995
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: smart decision.

996
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 7: One person is dead and nineteen injured after a speeding

997
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 7: vehicle drove into a group of protesters march peacefully through

998
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 7: downtown Charlottesville. Your impression that this was deliberate.

999
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 13: Or did the persons absolutely no way.

1000
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 4: He was going so fast it flew people like ten

1001
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 4: feet and nailed those two cars forward.

1002
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 7: This comes after a day of clashes between alt right

1003
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 7: protesters and counter demonstrators earlier this morning. For over an hour,

1004
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 7: demonstrators dispensed tear gas and through water bottles with little

1005
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 7: interference from police. The rally was shut down after the

1006
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 7: governor declared a state of emergency. Police and tactical gear

1007
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 7: ordered protesters to leave the park.

1008
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: The SBOC attempted to tie the horrific event to Gavin's

1009
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Fraternal Club again, he was forced to push back.

1010
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 6: Heather Hire is dead. She was plowed down by Alex

1011
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 6: Fields Junior at Charlotte's Unite the Right rally. This rally,

1012
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 6: when I first heard of it back in May and June,

1013
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 6: was all about we don't want to we want to

1014
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 6: pose taking down statues. They want to take down the

1015
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 6: roberty lea statue. Let's fight that and everyone from the

1016
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 6: right should be there. You know, it's it's let's unite conservative.

1017
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 6: Sounds good. Then it started morphing into something much worse,

1018
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 6: and I said, I'm out. I want to make sure

1019
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 6: probaboys have nothing to do with it, make sure our

1020
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 6: name isn't on the flyer. I'm not going disavowed, disavowed, disavow.

1021
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 6: Some of the some guys said, why believing the rhetoric

1022
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 6: right of this sort of ethereal notion of right to

1023
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 6: free speech, peace will simply no, this is not what's

1024
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 6: happening on the ground. This is getting ugly. And then

1025
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 6: when it happened, I just went to Thank god, I

1026
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 6: wasn't within three hundred miles of that place. But the

1027
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 6: far left is trying to rope me and the Prowboys

1028
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 6: into it, and so is the far right. It's all

1029
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 6: fake news, it's all lies. We disavowed this, We have

1030
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 6: nothing to do with it. We disavow the alt right.

1031
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 6: Prowboys are not alt right. I've said it a million

1032
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 6: times and I'll say it a million more, not to

1033
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 6: virtue signal, not to gain friends, but because it's the truth.

1034
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: The tragic event was a gift to the media. They

1035
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: weaponized it to attack Trump and supporters, and the Southern

1036
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center used it to ramp up their narrative

1037
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: against Gavin and the Proud Boys. These rallies were becoming

1038
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: traps antifoo would provoke violence, the media would capture the

1039
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: conflict then pump out headlines blaming Trump supporters. It was

1040
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: at about this time that Gavin was planning a new show,

1041
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: Get Off my lawn. At a burgeoning new conservative streaming

1042
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: network's RTV, Gavin hinted at the upcoming project.

1043
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 6: I'm leaving because I'm moving on to something big. The

1044
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 6: long story I won't bore you with, and I won't

1045
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 6: tell you where I'm headed because i want to keep

1046
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 6: it a surprise. But and I'm not just going to

1047
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 6: continue with the red pull thing. I'm going to add

1048
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 6: a new angle. Like I'll still be Howard Stern, but

1049
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 6: I'm also going to be much more Tucker Carlson. I

1050
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 6: don't think I'm going to swear. I'm going to try

1051
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 6: not swearing for a while to get as mainstream as possible.

1052
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 6: It's a complete reboot of what I'm doing. I'm going

1053
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 6: up to the next level here.

1054
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: Gavin McGuinness was about to go mainstream, and for his enemies,

1055
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: that could not happen. A few months later, in February

1056
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, the Southern Poverty Law Center classified the Proud

1057
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Boys as a hate group and began a full campaign

1058
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: against Gavin, using his image to increase donations to their

1059
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: war chest. Given what had transpired over the past year,

1060
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: many viewed this as a political hit job. Even with

1061
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: all the violent attacks by Antifa, their use of explosives,

1062
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: their riots, their vandalism, their hatred of Trump supporters, their assaults.

1063
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: The SPLC did not designate Antifa as a hate group.

1064
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: They left that label for the breakfast serial experts. The

1065
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: Proud Boys continued providing security at pro Trump rallies. They

1066
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: attended patriot events at Portland and elsewhere to protect the participants,

1067
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: and ANTIPHA was there to provoke the violence without fail.

1068
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: The Southern Poverty Law Center used these face offs to

1069
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: continue their narrative. In in August one, twenty eighteen posting,

1070
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: the SPLC warned that the Proud Boys were going to

1071
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: be involved in more violence at upcoming rallies, suggesting they

1072
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: were the instigators of clashes at previous rallies, but not

1073
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: once in the article did they mention Antifa. The following day,

1074
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: the SPLC highlighted the Proud Boy's use of social media

1075
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Speaker 1: to attract new members. Twitter appeared to take the bait.

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00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: On August ten, twenty eighteen, Twitter banned Gavin and other

1077
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: Proud Boy accounts for violating its policy on quote violent

1078
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: extremist groups. Tweter did not do the same for the

1079
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: Antifa accounts. For a public figure like Gavin McGinnis. It's

1080
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before someone invites you to

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: perform at an event that would come on October twelfth,

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. When the Manhattan Republican Club asked Gavin to speak,

1083
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: Antifa caught wind and began threatening the organization hosting the event,

1084
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: first with phone calls, then vandalizing property and leaving a

1085
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: threatening manifesto. So Gavin was faced again with either caving

1086
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: to the violent mob or attending. He chose the latter.

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: The Proud Boys escorted him to the event.

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00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 6: But we outside were these people screaming, no Nazis in NYC.

1089
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 6: They spelled my name wrong, which is very suspicious. If

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 6: you're so familiar with this guy, how do you not

1091
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 6: know how to spell his name?

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00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: Gavin got in. He typically uses these events to perform

1093
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: a stand up routine because leftists have basically cut off

1094
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: traditional comedy venues to anyone who is not on the left.

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: His set included a comedic reenactment of a famous Japanese

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: assassin named Atoyo Yamaguchi. He finished his set and prepared

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Speaker 1: to leave.

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01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 6: So Antifa's out there screaming and yelling at people, calling

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 6: them Nazis throwing piss at them. There's this one guy,

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 6: a citizen journalist. I think his name's Paul. They mob him,

1101
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 6: beat the shit out of him and take his equipment

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Speaker 6: and get arrested for it. Right, I go outside at

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 6: the end, the police keep us inside until they can

1104
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 6: get rid of the Antifa mob outside. So we were

1105
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 6: stuck there by the cops and then they say, okay,

1106
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 6: you go out first. So I go out and meet

1107
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 6: my car. They're throwing bottles of piss and I pull

1108
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 6: up my plastic sword. I go o toya, I'm a

1109
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 6: Gucci forever. Just with them. You know what else am

1110
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 6: I going to do? Like crawl into the car like

1111
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 6: I'm some sort of evil pedophile. No, So then Antifa leaves.

1112
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 6: They're dispersed. But what they did was they circled around

1113
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 6: the block and they came back so as Proud Boys

1114
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 6: were being escorted to the subway by the car and

1115
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 6: they're done for the night. Actually, they knew there was

1116
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 6: going to be some sort of conflict, so they brought

1117
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 6: pillows because they thought, you're not getting your optics, boys,

1118
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 6: and we're going to fight you with pillows to show

1119
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 6: how useless you are, but it was so late in

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01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 6: the night and everything was so dead they left the

1121
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 6: pillows like in the garbage. And at the Republican Club,

1122
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 6: they're just walking home, talking about what bar to go to,

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01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 6: and boom, there's Antifa. Now this is after they had

1124
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 6: vandalized the Manhattan Republican Club, smashed the windows, glued the locks,

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01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 6: and left a manifesto saying we are not civil. So

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 6: the Proud Boys see them, and this isn't just like

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01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 6: seeing Antifa on the elevator. This is after a week

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 6: of threats. And then it's an ambush and they drew

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01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 6: a line like there was a line of them, and

1130
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 6: they're blocking the Proud Boy's way and they throw a

1131
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 6: bottle of piss, and so Proud Boys bum rush them.

1132
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 6: The first guy Max, it looks like he's punching in

1133
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 6: the head. He's actually pulling off the guy's mask. And

1134
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 6: Antifa's winning. At the beginning, they're pounding some guys, kicking

1135
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 6: them when they're down, and then the other probably see

1136
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 6: what's going on. They come in and they beat up

1137
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 6: the guys who attacked them. So the police show up.

1138
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 6: This is all thirty seconds long, by the way, the

1139
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 6: police show up when they go to the Antifa, do

1140
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 6: you want to press charges? There are a problem here,

1141
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 6: and that Antifa s has few pig and so they

1142
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 6: go alrighty, I guess that's a no on pressing charges.

1143
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 6: So the whole thing was nothing and everyone went to

1144
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 6: bed and went that was a kookie night. The next day,

1145
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 6: the DNC, and this had possibly always been the plan,

1146
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 6: realized that they could politicize this. So the DiBlasio Cuomo,

1147
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 6: the Attorney General, and the media everyone seized upon this

1148
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 6: as hate violent hate gang. And it was right before

1149
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 6: the midterms. So the DNC, the DNC, the media, and

1150
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 6: Antifa are not different. Antifa's just the paramilitary wing. The

1151
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 6: DNC call the shots, and the media are the ones

1152
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 6: who are too chicken to go fight and they just

1153
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 6: fight online. So they all ran with this, and my

1154
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 6: life just went upside down.

1155
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 13: The clash between members of the Proud Boys, a far

1156
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 13: right men's group, and masked members of Antifa and anti

1157
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 13: fascist group was caught on surveillance video on eighty second

1158
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 13: between Lexington and Park. Police say they had forty eight

1159
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 13: officers and other personnel surrounding the club on eighty third,

1160
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 13: keeping the groups away from one another. But these individuals,

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01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 13: they say, got around police on another street tactically.

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 3: Some surprise was when that group came around the side,

1163
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: they flanked us.

1164
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 6: For the most part, I think the response was pretty good.

1165
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 13: The night of violence came after the founder of the

1166
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 13: Proud Boys, Gavin McGinnis, spoke at the Metropolitan Republican Club

1167
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 13: Friday night, but the club says it was vandalized before

1168
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 13: the event even took place. It provided this surveillance video

1169
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 13: of damage done outside the building at two am Friday.

1170
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: Broken windows, some graffiti which is commonly the A and

1171
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: the anarchists signed drawn on the front door, and some

1172
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: leaflets that were left at the location.

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01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 13: The club says it also received threatening calls in the

1174
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 13: days before, but police say those were not immediately reported. Today,

1175
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 13: Governor Cuomo blasted Republicans, the club, and President Trump for

1176
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 13: what occurred.

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01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 11: Why the Republican Party would bring a group that has

1178
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 11: a history of violence, I think they are desperate for

1179
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 11: the midterms. They are trying to fire up their base

1180
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 11: because they're afraid of the energy and the Democratic Party

1181
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 11: was so called blue wave.

1182
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: News report after news report cited Gavin as the founder

1183
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: of an SPOC classified hate group. Days after the incident,

1184
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys were banned from Facebook, Instagram, then PayPal.

1185
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 6: And the NYC nine. Much more importantly than any of this,

1186
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 6: we're facing unbelievably serious charges felony, gang attack, a year

1187
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 6: in prison. Whenever I talk to their lawyers, they call

1188
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 6: me back from a different phone. Your phone's likely tapped

1189
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 6: my phone? How did we get here? Like that's worse

1190
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 6: than a pedophile and shutting down all these banks. I

1191
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 6: don't get to be on PayPal, you know, Chase shut

1192
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 6: down the head of Proud Boys. The chairman of Proud

1193
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 6: Boys might jaw hit the floor when that happened. And

1194
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 6: before that, it was just like, like the NYU thing

1195
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 6: was kind of fun. It was fighting Antifa. Eleven people

1196
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 6: got arrested, but they were all released, and it was

1197
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 6: just these dumb rich kids think communism is a thing

1198
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 6: and they think Nazis exist, and they're trying to fight

1199
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 6: as they're easy to beat up. That was a good brawl,

1200
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 6: good old fashioned brawling, and it was all silly, and

1201
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 6: it was all basically fashion. You know. It was the

1202
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 6: punks fighting and skinheads, which I did in the eighties, right,

1203
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 6: That's all we did. Every weekend was fight Nazis. These

1204
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 6: Nazis now say they're anti fascists, but they're the same

1205
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 6: Nazi skinheads accept much worse fighters I've noticed. But anyway,

1206
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 6: the big change was to go from all this silly

1207
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 6: fighting and online bickering to you're facing serious jail time.

1208
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: So their lawyers tell Gavin that they may try to

1209
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: pin the Proud Boys as an organized streak gang with

1210
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: him as the leader, a serious allegation that has criminal implications.

1211
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 6: Now you're obviously not doing illegal activities, but they might

1212
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 6: try to argue leader. So if you step down, you

1213
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 6: kill fifty percent of their argument, which could help their

1214
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 6: court case. And I say fine. So I do a

1215
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 6: press conference and I say I'm no longer. I no

1216
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 6: longer have anything to do with the Proud Boys. Now

1217
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 6: I was never the leader. I only started this thing.

1218
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 6: And as far as my Proud Boy life, it was

1219
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 6: meeting my friends once a month at a bar in

1220
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 6: our little Fred Perry's and laughing and you know, doing

1221
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 6: a little ceremony. If that's if never doing that again

1222
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 6: means these guys get time shaved off their sentence, of

1223
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 6: course I'll do it. So that's why I did it.

1224
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: A few weeks later, Gavin was fired from his job.

1225
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, when I got fired, I thought, all right, that's it.

1226
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 6: This is too much Now.

1227
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: He'd been targeted by Antifa now for roughly two years.

1228
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: Just attending his scheduled appearances meant he had to face

1229
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: being pepper sprayed, dashed with urine, and physically assaulted. He

1230
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: fought back by having his paternal brothers protect him at

1231
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: his appearances, and for doing that, for fighting back when

1232
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: it the SBLC classified his paternal club as a hate group.

1233
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: This literally gave a justification for the violent Antifa attacks.

1234
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: After losing his job, he decided it was time to

1235
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: fight back a different way, so he sued the Southern

1236
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center for what he sees as a vicious

1237
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: defamation campaign against him and his friends.

1238
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 6: So, you know, the Southern Poverty Law Center, we're getting

1239
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 6: us fired. I think thirty five Proud Boys have been

1240
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 6: fired by this mob.

1241
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: How are they getting you fired?

1242
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 6: They just they harassed the employer. They tell the employer

1243
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 6: that this employees a member of the Prowboys and they're

1244
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 6: known by the SBLC as a hate group.

1245
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: The entire ordeal was ludicrous to Gavin, the Proud Boys

1246
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: were being called racists and Nazis when two of the

1247
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: three that were facing serious charges are married to black

1248
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: women and have black children. Both of those men lost

1249
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: their jobs.

1250
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 6: That their little black children, who were all young, lost

1251
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 6: food on the table because of this stupid racist Nazi lie,

1252
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 6: this myth.

1253
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: These three facing the most serious charges were offered a

1254
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: plea deal and.

1255
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 6: No, they refused those Please, they said, lad, I'm not

1256
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 6: spending a year in prison because I kicked a guy

1257
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 6: who kicked me, who jumped me. I fought back. This

1258
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 6: is where we're at. The Proud Boys are silly. It's

1259
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 6: just a fun men's club where we hang out in

1260
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of is about drinking beer. They're not violent,

1261
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 6: they're not dangerous. Yes, they're violent when they get punched

1262
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 6: in the face, but so is every real man. That's

1263
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 6: why they call it violent, because we dare to fight back.

1264
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: And that's just what Gavin is doing by going up

1265
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: against the behemoth Southern Poverty Law Center in court.

1266
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: So if you can shut someone's access to digital platforms

1267
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 3: down and to fame him, you are absolutely cutting his throat.

1268
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: That's Ron Coleman, a litigator from the law firm Mandelbaum Salzburg.

1269
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: He's representing Gavin in the case against the SBLC, and.

1270
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 3: What the SBLC did with gab through its influence over

1271
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 3: the various social media platforms and funding platforms, was deprived

1272
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 3: him of his ability to make a living or to

1273
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: substantially handicap the living that.

1274
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 6: He could make.

1275
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, the SBLC openly began an effort to

1276
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: demonetize their targets. They do this by categorizing their enemies

1277
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: as hate groups. Then they work to deplatform them from

1278
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: social media and block their ability to use payment services.

1279
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: They now reportedly work directly with Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Amazon, PayPal,

1280
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: and others to identify hate groups for deplatforming. It's astonishing

1281
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: that these silicon value monopolies would trust the SBLC. On

1282
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: March fourteenth, its founder was fired for undisclosed reasons. A

1283
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: few days later, a longtime SBLC employee published a scathing

1284
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:00,520
Speaker 1: op ed accusing the SPLC of racial and gender discrimination

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Speaker 1: and claiming the SPLC was rip off donors and that

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Speaker 1: their work was, in many respects, a highly profitable scam.

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Speaker 1: The same day the article was published, the sblc's legal

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Speaker 1: director left the company, and the day after that, the

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Speaker 1: president of the SBLC resigned. This is not an organization

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Speaker 1: that should be trusted for the simple fact that even

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Speaker 1: with all of the massive donations flowing into the company

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Speaker 1: to fight hate groups, according to the sblc's own statistics,

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Speaker 1: the number of hate groups reached a record high in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Their efforts, strangely have led to an increase

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Speaker 1: in hate, and that is likely because they profit from

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Speaker 1: classifying more and more groups like Gavin and the Proud

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Speaker 1: Boys as hate groups, regardless of whether they are or not.

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Speaker 1: To see how the SPLC has redefined hate, listened to

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Speaker 1: this SPLC representative in a twenty eighteen interview when.

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Speaker 12: Gavin mcinnison and the rest of any other prowdboard chapter

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Speaker 12: president says that they're here to support Western chauvinism or

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Speaker 12: Western identity. What they're doing is they're playing.

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Speaker 6: Into a long line of what would be normally.

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Speaker 12: Called white nationalism, this idea that the United States is

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Speaker 12: justly inherited by white people and white people only.

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Speaker 4: They never say what they say Wiston.

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Speaker 12: Right, see, but Western in many ways can be covered

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Speaker 12: for white because what they're talking about is Europe you know,

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Speaker 12: the Europe and the United States.

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Speaker 14: Admit proud boys that are black, admit proud boys that

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Speaker 14: are born in other countries.

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Speaker 12: Does the fact that there's a couple of you know,

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Speaker 12: black or Hispanic proud boys absolve the organization from the

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Speaker 12: arguments and the positions they're holding.

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Speaker 6: No, we call them a hay group.

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Speaker 1: The word Western is now a dog whistle for white supremacy,

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Speaker 1: regardless if you have black and Hispanic members. A few

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Speaker 1: months after this interview, which was with the Australia's Public

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting Network, Gavin was denied entry into Australia. The spoc's

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Speaker 1: campaign against Gavin has had a devastating effect.

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Speaker 6: My children are ostracized at school because of this rumor

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Speaker 6: that was started by lefties. They were reaching the vindictive

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Speaker 6: zenith right now of vitriol.

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Speaker 1: I ask Gavin how he's been able to continue under

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Speaker 1: this massive orchestrated attack.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm a fighter, and that's the way this

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Speaker 6: sport goes. You get knocked down, you get knocked out,

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Speaker 6: you get to beating out of you. You know, you're

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Speaker 6: pissing blood after an important fight, after ten rounds, and

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Speaker 6: I just get back and I get back into training

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Speaker 6: and I get back in the ring. It's just what

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Speaker 6: I do. You know, Jerry Seinfeld was asked, you've got

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Speaker 6: tons of money, why are you still doing this? And

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Speaker 6: he goes, it's like a woodchuck. I just got to

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Speaker 6: keep chuck in wood. And you know, beavers have been

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Speaker 6: domesticated very occasionally. And the thing about a beaver is

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Speaker 6: his teeth aren't like ours. It's not like he has

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Speaker 6: a skull and then the teeth are separate things. His

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Speaker 6: teeth come from his skull and they're always growing, so

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Speaker 6: they have to gnaw on those trees or their teeth

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Speaker 6: would just grow right into their belly, like when those

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Speaker 6: girls have super long nails. So when they get domesticated,

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Speaker 6: the beavers just start eating the furniture. And they're not

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Speaker 6: doing this because they want to build a damn. They're

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Speaker 6: doing this to stop their teeth from overgrowing. And I

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Speaker 6: just feel like a beaver. I'm just going to keep

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Speaker 6: gnawing away no matter what you do. I'm just going

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Speaker 6: to keep going and going and going. It's what I do.

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Speaker 1: Which leads us back to the question why are all

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Speaker 1: mainstream comedians liberals? We all know the entertainment industry is liberal.

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Speaker 1: That's a given, But the answer goes deeper than that. First,

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Speaker 1: liberals literally have more free speech than conservatives, and second,

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Speaker 1: conservatives are afraid to be called racists. Funny is often

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Speaker 1: found in the taboo areas, the politically incorrect, the unsaid truth,

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Speaker 1: the no go zones, the preposterous stereotypes. Comedy lives in

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Speaker 1: these areas, and if you're on the left, you can

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Speaker 1: set up shop in these spaces with much less risk

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Speaker 1: of being branded a racist or a sexist or a

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Speaker 1: homophobe like Amy Schumer.

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Speaker 6: Nothing works one hundred percent of the time right except Mexicans.

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Speaker 6: I have noticed.

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Speaker 15: That's the one boom right.

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Speaker 6: The Mexicans. I hear you. You guys are preaching to

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Speaker 6: the choir.

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Speaker 1: Her career wasn't ruined by the many jokes that she said,

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Speaker 1: like that or Chris Rock. This joke debuted on February fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 6: I want to live in.

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Speaker 9: A world would real equality.

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Speaker 15: I want to live in.

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Speaker 9: A world where an equal amount of white kids are

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Speaker 9: shot every month, an equal world. I want to see

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Speaker 9: white mother's old TV crying.

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Speaker 1: That same day, a shooter walked into a predominantly white

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Speaker 1: high school in Parkland, Florida, and killed seventeen people. Chris

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Speaker 1: Rock wasn't branded a hate longer. He didn't have to

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Speaker 1: fight his way in and out of his next gig.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't pepper sprayed, and no one threw urine at him.

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Speaker 1: He survived that joke completely unscathed. Comedians can make jokes

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Speaker 1: that can easily be taken out of context, but if

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Speaker 1: a conservative enters this space, they will be viciously attacked

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Speaker 1: by the left, and prominent conservatives typically remain silent because

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Speaker 1: they don't want to be branded a racist. Gavin refused

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Speaker 1: to let the violent antipathugs limit free speech. He went

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Speaker 1: on to college campuses, facing assault and potentially even death.

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Speaker 1: The man isn't even an American citizen, but he stood

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Speaker 1: up for our way of life. He's been severely punished

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Speaker 1: for his principled stand, but we've all benefited from his

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Speaker 1: sacrifice and the efforts of a few other free speech warriors.

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Speaker 11: In a few moments, I will be signing an executive

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Speaker 11: order to protect free.

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Speaker 2: Speech on college campuses.

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Speaker 6: Just the thought of it sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Gavin McGinnis is, without a doubt, one of the funniest

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Speaker 1: people on the planet. But he has been under siege

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Speaker 1: for that gift, and the establishment right has largely abandoned

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Speaker 1: him for it. He's not allowed to be funny because

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Speaker 1: making someone laugh is real power, and the left refuses

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Speaker 1: to let their enemy have that power, so they've taken

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Speaker 1: jokes he's made out of context and use them to

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Speaker 1: brand him a hate longer. If the right ever wants

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Speaker 1: to win the culture war, they'll stand up for their

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Speaker 1: own when they're being attacked, because if they don't, the

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Speaker 1: left will just methodically pick off one hilarious right winger

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Speaker 1: after another until there's no one remaining to make us laugh.

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, I've been getting tons of emails and comments

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Speaker 4: that your memberships on YouTube have been paused. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: completely demond sized now.

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Speaker 9: Some summum, some sum