1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Thursday, July tenth, and didty he 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: got a key to the city and now he had 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: to give it back. Howard University gave him an honorary degree. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: He had to give that back to But you know what, 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to get back his four hundred million 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: dollar fortune. And with that, everybody, welcome to this Didy 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: update episode of Amy and TJ. Rose. We talk about 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: it was such a big win for him in the 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: courtroom with that verdict. That verdict gave him a very 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: big win in his finances. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: That's correct because had he been convicted of the more 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: serious charges sex trafficking and of course those that Rico charge, 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: racketeering and conspiracy, the Feds would then have been able 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: to justify seizing every piece of property that was used 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: while committing those crimes, including his mansions, including his private 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: plane where there were alleged incidents happening, including pretty much 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: everything he owns to transport and participate in his life, 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: because that would have been a part of his criminal enterprise. 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: You can argue, Rose that that's everything, every bit of 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: bad boy, every bit of his business, is every bit 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: of everything you were reaping benefits all of this was 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 3: a whole organization working and they could go after that money. 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: I didn't piece it together at the time because I 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: think most of us were thinking about verdict and jail time. Yes, 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: but this is enormous for Sean Combs to be able 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: to hold on to assets, a huge fortune. Look, yes, 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: we're going to get into some of the stuff that 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: is going out. Money is not coming in as quickly 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: or at all or at all. And again, but it's 30 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: weird to think. Yes, so much was lost during his trial, 31 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: and so many victims and so much pain, But financially speaking, 32 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: this was enormous for him to hear not guilty on racketeering. 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: It's true because this was one of the wealthiest black 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: men in the world, fair to say, certainly in this country, 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: and there was so much at stake, and he was 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: facing losing his freedom but also everything he had earned 37 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: throughout his life, perhaps that he wanted to pass on 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: to his children and their children. They talked about. The 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: prosecution talked about him having an enterprise, and that a 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: criminal enterprise, and that was certainly not believed necessarily by 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: the jury or a lot of folks who were listening. 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: But he did have an empire, so to speak. I 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: mean he was called a music mogul. 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: And it all started, of course with music. You go 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: back to the nineties, a lot of people didn't maybe 46 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: initially know the name Puffy or p Diddy, but Notorious 47 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: Vig Biggie Smalls. Like, even if you didn't know his music, 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: which most people do, you still remembered how he was killed, 49 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: how Tupac was killed. Right, he was such a part 50 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: of the culture. You know him did he was right 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: behind him producing those albums and pushing and pushing and 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: pushing one of the biggest stars hip hop has. So 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: that's where it started. But Robes he took hip hop 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: and music and hits, and then he built an empire. 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: And that's why we call him a mogal. Now had 56 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: he had a long list of things that he was successful. 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't just Bad Boy records, but he also 58 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: had Remember the clothing line Sean John that was everywhere. 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: I feel like I still see it sometimes on the 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: streets of New York. He had a television network, Revolt TV. 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Network, based down in Atlanta. I remember going by that 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: place before. I had friends that worked there. 63 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Definitely heard about his alcohol companies right, Sarrak vodka daily 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: on Tequila Soirak I'm more familiar with and those that 65 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: got those, Yeah, and just I was just looking at 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: the ads. Actually he no longer is a part of 67 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 2: them or affiliated with them, but it's very sexy, it's 68 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: very European and he was certainly a big promoter of 69 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: it until all of this. And I didn't know this, 70 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: but he had a water company, Aqua Hydrate. 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Alkaline water company, owned it with Mark, I believe, and 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: then they ended up building it up, selling it for 73 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: a mint and still had shares in it. So he 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: was doing great. And look, don't take our word for it. 75 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: There are people who keep up with these numbers. He 76 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: was a regular at Forbes. He was on list after list, 77 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: year after year, and as recently rose as two thousand. 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: That wasn't that long ago. He was still making the 79 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: list as one of the most well paid celebrities. 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: In this country, highest earning celebrities. He made the list 81 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: on two thousand, but I'm sorry. He made some pretty 82 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: incredible lists after that. On Forbes five back in twenty seventeen, 83 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: the richest in Hip hop eight hundred and twenty million dollars. 84 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: That's how much. Forbes said he was worth in twenty seventeen, 85 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: and that put him. 86 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: Number one on the list of hip hop earners that year, 87 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: that above who else, Doctor Dre. I think jay Z 88 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: was number two. I think Kanye is on the list 89 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: to keep going through. I think now, I mean Drake 90 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: was getting going at that point. Those are the name 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: some of the biggest names, and he was number one 92 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: on top. 93 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: Of the all number one twenty nineteen. He was reportedly 94 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: worth seven hundred and forty million. That's what you keep 95 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: hearing people refer back to. And most folks say he 96 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: was well on his way to billionaire status. And I 97 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 2: believe there were folks within the Combs camp who said, 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: before all of this happened, before the allegations first surfaced 99 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: from Cassie, he had a billion I don't think it 100 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: was ever proven, but they definitely said he was a 101 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: billionaire when that lawsuit came about just what a year 102 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: and a half ago, thirteen. 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, a year and a half ago. I mean, so 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: he was doing well. If he's not on top of 105 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: the music industry anymore, in the past couple of years, 106 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: he was still doing well. The latest estimates had his 107 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: value at least at trial time, if you will, at 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: around four hundred million dollars. So that's what we're talking 109 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: about him going into this trial, if you will, if 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: you believe the estimates, he was sitting on about four 111 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. So lawsuit start getting dropped, and then 112 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: Cassie's lawsuit drops. 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: He settles that one twenty million dollars out of pocket. 114 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: Start doing some math there, twenty million dollars out of 115 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: pocket and nobody knows what these civil lawsuits, how that's 116 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: gonna go down. But that's a lot of lawyers, a 117 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: lot of lawyers. 118 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: Even if you aren't paying out, even if you don't 119 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: even reach a settlement and you make them go away, 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: you're still paying your lawyers to handle each and every 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: one of those lawsuits. And this is actually a true statement. 122 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: When you google and you try to find out just 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: how many civil lawsuits there are now against Diddy, it's 124 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: too many to count. I don't know that anyone has 125 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: an accurate number, that's but dozens and dozens is what 126 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: people typically are reporting. But that's kind of insane when 127 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: you think about it. There are so many lawsuits against you, 128 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're all in the millions, and there are 129 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: too many to count. 130 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: So that's lawyers. Forget the settlements that might come, but 131 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: that's lawyers. There isn't even an estimate of how much 132 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,559 Speaker 1: that can cost him. So he's sitting on four hundred million. 133 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: It's minus twenty for Cassie. Now, how much does his 134 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: defense team cost? The best in the business? Was it 135 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: eight of them? I think, working NonStop for you since 136 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: about twenty twenty three. 137 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: I cannot even imagine how much. I know how much 138 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: the little bit of lawyers fees that I had to 139 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: pay for a couple of days worth of work, and 140 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: that was seven figures, So I can't imagine what is 141 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: it one hundred million dollars now I'm discussing, No, but 142 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: at least at least fifty million, twenty five million. 143 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: They well, the estimates of the experts out there say 144 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: it's at least eight figures. Obviously in the eight figures, 145 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: but ten fifteen is where they land. I don't know, 146 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: how does that sound high? Does it sound low? That's 147 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of money, no matter what. 148 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, there were so many lawyers too, with all big 149 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: names and big firms and pair. 150 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Of legals, and that everybody's working around the clot you 151 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: know what, it worked. Whatever he spent, it was worth it. 152 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: It was worth it. It was an investment in his freedom. 153 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, So money isn't coming necessarily back in music though 154 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: he is still and has been making it for the 155 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: past couple of years. If you have not noticed, Diddy 156 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: has put out I guess a critically acclaimed or at 157 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: least Grammy nominated album just in the past couple of years. 158 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three love album Off the Grid Grammy nominated, 159 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: and as a part of that whole process he had 160 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: and I didn't realize this jenomena, the Age of Pleasure. 161 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: He was a part of that, and she actually was 162 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: nominated as well. The same year twenty twenty three, he 163 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: had two Grammy nominations. 164 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: So they don't have a lot, at least on the 165 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: slate of bad Boy artists. You can't name it to 166 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: have big projects or have big tours of doing anything 167 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: big at this point. But bad Boy is still operational 168 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: as of two years ago, put out two albums that actually. 169 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: Were critically acclaimed. 170 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: We're critically acclaimed. 171 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: Now. 172 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: That does not mean necessarily that bad Boy Enter two 173 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: is bawling at this point, but his streaming music is everywhere, 174 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, his own stuff, but he's a producer on 175 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: so much. He's just so present all over in streaming 176 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: and robes, at least at this point most I mean, 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: he's not disappearing from the streaming sites. 178 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: No, not at all. In fact, this was an interesting tidbit. 179 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: His music saw a twenty percent boost in US streaming 180 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: between April and May of twenty twenty five. Why then, hmmm, 181 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: because it's so interesting. Apparently, if you're making headlines, even 182 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: for all the bad, worst reasons, you can imagine people 183 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: are interested and click on your music and listen to it. 184 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: And that is exactly what happened. In fact, an article 185 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: said that you actually could watch the numbers, the streaming 186 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: numbers jump when key moments were happening in the trial. 187 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: Throughout the trial in May, so when Cassie testified, they said, boom, 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 2: they saw a spike in his music. When Kid Cutty testified, 189 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: spike probably in both of theiric music. But it was 190 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: completely tied to headlines and interest in people going on 191 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: and saying, let me take a listen to that. 192 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: Can we admit I've listened to Cassie songs in the 193 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: past two three months and I haven't listened to a 194 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: Cassie song in years probably, So whatever that is, it 195 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: just gets to you and you just automatically start listening. 196 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: Well, I start listening to lyrics differently too, because now 197 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: suddenly they don't sound the same to me. So that's 198 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: been interesting. I think there's some sort of interest in 199 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 2: that too, Like what was he saying? Was he telling 200 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: us what he was doing? Was he was he acting 201 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: like he was someone else? Or is the person who 202 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: we're hearing all about behind the scenes from a sexual 203 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: standpoint not that different from the guy who's singing those lyrics. 204 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: It sounds different. We had some stuff on. Yes, I 205 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: didn't sound like the Diddy. We no, no, we now. 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: Know, but I will say, but people are fickle. They 207 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: don't stick with you. 208 00:10:59,280 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: Funny enough. 209 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: This last month in June, you know, when the trial 210 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: was kind of waiting and interest it got a little 211 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: more boring with connecting the dots and people who were 212 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: testifying about things other than baby oil and freak offs. 213 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: There was a five to ten percent decrease in downloads 214 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: from the months before, so people were like, eh, I'm 215 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: over it. 216 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: I haven't seen though that there has he's taken a 217 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: hit necessarily like a backlash, you willga. 218 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: No, quite the opposite. No, not. In fact, if you 219 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: say they were a twenty percent jump in April and 220 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: May and they're only dropped five or ten percent in June, 221 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: they're still up from before. 222 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: Since his arrest, and says the Cassie video, even I 223 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: don't remember doing stories about people running. They some brands 224 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: were running from him. But I don't remember listeners or 225 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: stories about his streaming or have huge dips or anything 226 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if it ever happened with him. 227 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 2: Well, I mean we've had this conversation plenty when other 228 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: artists have been charged with heinous crimes, from Michael Jackson 229 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: to who's the most recent, Smokey Robinson. You know, I 230 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: think people actually probably start listening more, they start getting fascinated, 231 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: they're reminded by it. And yes, some people, of course 232 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: are going to be turned off by it and never 233 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: listen to them again. But I don't think that's most people. 234 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: I think most people do the opposite. 235 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: What do we do with that? And I'm doing We've 236 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: done it subconsciously. I don't even I'm looking a wow 237 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: at twenty percent jump. What are people thinking? Well, I'm 238 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: thinking about myself. I do the same damn thing. This 239 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: morning we were reporting on allegations against Smokey Robinson. We 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: played nothing but Smokey Robinson songs probably that morning just 241 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: cut like subconsciously, it just came on. 242 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: Apparently we're just like everyone else, because it shows very 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: clearly that that is indeed what people do. It's true 244 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: and you know what, that's just I think human nature. 245 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: And what about did he sun putting out music? 246 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: Was it King Comb's King Kombs Never Stop and it 247 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: had the song? Did he free on it? I don't 248 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: know that could read. This is the timing and poor 249 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: taste and seeming to take advantage of a moment. But hey, 250 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: he wanted to put something out and express himself as 251 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Dad's life is on the line. But yeah, that's out now. 252 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how that's doing. 253 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: I did find it interesting that the project that King 254 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: Combs and Yay Kanye released together was released by do 255 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: you know this company? Goodfellas Entertainment. I just thought that 256 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: was oh so ironic given how they were trying to 257 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: convict Didy on racketeering and conspiracy charges normally reserved for 258 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: members of the mafia or mob. So just the fact 259 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: that Goodfella's entertainment released that just wasn't lost on me. 260 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. 261 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: I could you piecing it all together? Well, folks, stay 262 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: with us. We got a couple more things to piece 263 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: together here, Sean John, You remember that clothing line. It 264 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: seemed to be everywhere for a long time. Well, we 265 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: can tell you one place you certainly won't find it. 266 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: When retailer says uh uh no more and reco what 267 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: exactly is that? And how has he now been saved 268 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: from losing his four hundred million dollars? All right, folks, 269 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: we talked about did he's music. We've talked about his 270 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: estimated worth. We've talked about streaming numbers. We've talked about 271 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: what he is losing, if you will. Robes, we were 272 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: talking about Sarrac and d Leon, his liquor companies. I 273 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: believe he did. He's not involved with Sarac anymore. 274 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: No. They He actually got into a legal dispute. He 275 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: didn't feel like he was being fairly represented, and so 276 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: as a part of that legal dispute and was a 277 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: part of the settlement, he gave over the rights to 278 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: both of those liquors. So they're still going strong, but 279 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: just zero affiliation with Ditty anymore. 280 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: And he was everywhere promoting that for a long time, 281 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: and that thing took off. 282 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, allegations that he wasn't given the same support 283 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: as other celebrities and that he was only being used 284 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: basically to make an appearance of diversity versus actually making 285 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: an investment in diversity. So he was very upset about that. 286 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: Well, it worked because I was all about the rock 287 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: locker and some of those flavors for a little while. 288 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: He also has Sean John the clothing line. Now this 289 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: wasn't Sean. This was an early one that people got 290 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: away from when the Cassie video came out. 291 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I definitely stopped seeing that really very often, but 292 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: specifically Macy's. Yes, cut ties with him and just it basically, 293 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: what do they say, it's on pause? They didn't really 294 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: say it's over dormant. It's dormant that I used on pause. 295 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: But so perhaps they're hoping it could come back. But 296 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: it was all the rage in the ninety I just 297 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: was it the oughts? Is that what we call it? 298 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: The two thousands? Yeah, I'm trying at the aughts. I 299 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: feel like that's where I saw so many Sean John 300 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: clothing everywhere. 301 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: It was everywhere, and I haven't seen it lately, so 302 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of going away. So he doesn't have a 303 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: throat music industry, he doesn't have a thriving liquor industry anymore, 304 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a thriving clothing line anymore. So what 305 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: does did? He does? He is able to hold onto 306 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: his money. But again we keep saying Rico, Rico, Rico, Rico. 307 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Racketeer influenced corrupt organizations is what that stands for. And 308 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: again it was specifically created to go after mob bosses. 309 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: It's particularly created so the guy at the bottom running 310 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: on the street doing the bidding of the guy at 311 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: the top, Well, the guy at the bottom isn't the 312 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: only one that's going to get in trouble. It's the 313 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: guy at the top. That is essentially what RICO is. 314 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: You're running an enterprise, okay, did he has not been 315 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: found guilty of running an enterprise and robes This was 316 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: everything because a big part of RICO, they have specific 317 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: laws attached to them that they forfeit your loss. Correct 318 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: that right can take your shit. 319 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: They can take it all because they say if it 320 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: was either used in the criminal process or whatever crimes 321 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: to your community, it was a part of that transportation, entertainment, whatever. 322 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: If anything was happening in any of those properties that 323 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: you owned, that they could then be seized. And also 324 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: if any of your profits that you gleaned from having 325 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: or been committing criminal acts, if you're using that to 326 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: purchase things, they can take that away from you as well. 327 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: So you know all, I only know this from watching 328 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: mob movies, and you know, the wives of like, all 329 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: of a sudden, their homes are being that's accurate, taken away, 330 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: their cars are being taken there. They're trying to hide 331 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: their jewelry. This is what movie was that was it? 332 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 2: The Godfather trying to hide things that the government won't 333 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: take it. That's how I'm like, yeah, you're right, that 334 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: does happen. 335 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: No, you're right, And I watch mob documentaries and that's 336 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: exactly how it goes down on those as well. Yes, 337 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: they will take everything. They're going to go after everything 338 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: with robes. This is interesting. Now they could go after 339 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: something of his that he used in prostitution. The law is, 340 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: but he didn't fly. 341 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 2: Them to him, but he flew Cassie and Jane on 342 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: those planes, which were a part of the prostitution. 343 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: I wonder. 344 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: I know he didn't get charged with sex trafficking, but. 345 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: That plane, Oh oh no, this doesn't count. 346 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't doesn't know it's only the male. So I 347 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: don't know for a prostitution they could because we'll see 348 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: how this goes. But there have been legal experts who 349 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: believe the prosecution is going to try and have his 350 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 2: past deeds that he admitted be considered in sentencing. So 351 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: I wonder if they could also consider past deeds that 352 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: he admitted, including domestic violence or any of the above, 353 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: if those happened in any of his properties, could they 354 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: then go after those properties? 355 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: Is it worth it to them at this point? Maybe 356 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: they think they might be seeking more justice, or they 357 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: might be saying, do we need to take another l 358 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: We've already stretched ourselves and see where God is? Do 359 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: we need to do this again and get more egg 360 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: on our face? Who knows? 361 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 2: We shall see, but I'm sure at the very least 362 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: it does look like from most financial experts, most legal 363 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: experts will say that not only did did he dodge 364 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: a huge basically a huge bullet in terms of his freedom, 365 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: but he also dodged a huge financial one as well.