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Speaker 1: So it's no surprise that anyone listening. Um that both

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Speaker 1: Samantha and I we've we've talked about are kind of

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Speaker 1: on to visit in the future, is just the like havoc,

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Speaker 1: the physical havoc this pandemic is having on is and

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Speaker 1: how I've been googling what's wrong with me? Why am

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Speaker 1: it's the pandemic. It's the worst. UM. On top of that,

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of hair loss in the last

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Speaker 1: So all of these lovely things we're going to visit UM,

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Speaker 1: which unfortunately is a privilege in a lot of ways. Also,

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Speaker 1: Greeks havoc physically on you. So in the spirit of

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Speaker 1: all that, we wanted to bring back this classic episode.

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Speaker 1: Please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie and welcome to stuff.

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Speaker 1: Mom never told your protection I I her radios how

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Speaker 1: stuff works. That's what I call it cold open. When

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Speaker 1: I surprised somebody and just start, just start, and I

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Speaker 1: And I get my finger like way up in the

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Speaker 1: don't know. I was hoping that I would come out

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Speaker 1: of this with the answer. Research was research. We do

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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. Hi, hello, and we're back with tips.

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Speaker 1: But I would love if listeners could send in their tips.

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Speaker 1: So the ones I found, the big ones were having

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Speaker 1: So this is when I've struggled with because if I

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Speaker 1: It ends up being like a three hour nap, so

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Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore. Maybe taking a relaxing bath

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Speaker 1: You have you seen those um sent things that you

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Speaker 1: can put in your shower and heats up. Maybe that'll help, um,

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Speaker 1: if you can afford it. Get the mattress you thing,

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Speaker 1: and for me, I need a new mattress for sure.

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Speaker 1: I was really hoping that I would get up for

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Speaker 1: you one. I'm not gonna lie ship make comes to man.

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Speaker 1: I'm still waiting such a spoiled thing to say. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that actually does affect you a lot. And I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about the old school adages that, like you're

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Speaker 1: even numbers is too easy. It needs to be something

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Speaker 1: too much, Like I would constraight too hard and get

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Speaker 1: frustrated if I can messed up. Well, that's you, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. Um. And then like the warm milk type

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Speaker 1: um reading is a good one. And then the room temperature,

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Speaker 1: surprised when I saw it. I was like, really because

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Speaker 1: So I stopped drinking caffeine at noon now. I used

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Speaker 1: If you can't afford it, if it is a big

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Speaker 1: who might be able to prescribe medication or cognitive behavioral therapy. Right.

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Speaker 1: Keeping a sleep diary, um, so if you notice any

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Speaker 1: that day? I know people also talk about melotonin. UM.

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Speaker 1: I say that cautiously because there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: it helps some people, it doesn't help some Maybe for me,

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Speaker 1: I actually do like it. I like the little chocolate

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know it has been used for

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Speaker 1: some kind of actual medication medication. So yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: I used to love that stuff, not because it makes

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Speaker 1: I unfortunately am. I don't think I'm allergic, but I

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Speaker 1: can't drink tea tea at all. Yeah, I will feel miserable. Interesting, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tea and mint me about the mint and all types

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Speaker 1: of other things. I don't want to reveal all my

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Speaker 1: other allergies. I don't know why I'm suspicious that someone's

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Speaker 1: gonna I immediately became very concerned. Well, well, this has

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Speaker 1: become a very good insight in your life. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I ever feeled a lot about myself. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: sleep depris more sleep, but in the meantime, yes, please listeners,

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Speaker 1: if you have any tips or experience in sleeping, or

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Speaker 1: any any kind of sleep thoughts or dream thoughts, dreams.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even get to talk about that, um, please

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