1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson. I sure 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: hope everyone had a very very happy Thanksgiving. Weather's a 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: little rough here. It's been a little rough in Indiana. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: I know that, Lance. I know you have a compound 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: where you keep the bad weather away. It's all quiet 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: in Cardinal Territory since the trade that sent Sunny Gray 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: to the Red Sox. But there are some newsy items. 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: Now. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: I call them newsy because they're little pieces of potential 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: news but not really news. But we're here to talk 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: about it. So one of the things is that Ali 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Marmal and the Cardinals are talking about a contract extension. 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: Full disclosure. You guys are pro Ali. I'm pro Ali. 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: But some people are questioning. You got a reset on 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: your hands, You got a new president of baseball operations. 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Is this the right move for the Cardinals? Lance And 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: I'll start with you. 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: I think you're looking at a reset, right And him said, 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: what two years with Ali to talk over all the 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: you know, the good and the bad and the ugly 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: that could be. 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: Going on or that needs to change. 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: And they obviously see eye to eye on some some 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: areas that could be adjusted and this and that. So 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: if you're going to do a reset and you already 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: have someone in place that knows the direction you want 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: to go, that you feel comfortable with the way that 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: they go about their business, it's a no doubt. And 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: I think Ali's perfect for what they have going on 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 3: and how they're trying to go about this offseason. 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: And hey, you want to rebuild, you want. 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: To give these kids a chance to show who they are, 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: but you also need someone that has managerial experience, knows 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: these guys, know what's what buttons to push, knows you 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: know who can do what where. It's a great starting 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: point to have that. And you know, no real manager 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: wants to come in to this anyways, to be honest 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: with you all, he's already in the thick of it. 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: He's already, you know, dealt with all the storm of 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: I guess everything that's happened so far with going into 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 3: this rebuild, and none of that was his fault. It's 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: either players not performing the way they were supposed to 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: and or just kind of organization will take in a 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: different turn. 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 2: And he's equipped for that term because of this player. 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: Development that he had when he was a minor league 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: coach and running spring training and stuff like that. So 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: he's equipped for this move in a way that I 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: think most managers aren't. 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 4: What'd you think, Kyle, Yeah, I mean I think. 52 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: It's easy. 53 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 4: I think looking at that managerial position, you can look 54 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 4: at it in a few different ways. 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: Right. 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 4: You have some guys that you know, might have a 57 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: little bit more free reign to do raws, not roster construction, 58 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 4: but lineup construction, whether it's Bochi or you know, kind 59 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: of the guys that have that type of respect level 60 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: or you know, just they handle the job different. So 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: you have those guys, and then I think you have 62 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 4: you know, maybe some hybrids in the middle, But then 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: you also have some guys who are a lot of 64 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: culture driven moves. 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: Right. 66 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: I think the only reason these conversations are probably happening 67 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 4: is because Time and Ali are comfortable with each other 68 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: and where they're at with how he can lead this organization, 69 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 4: and they believe that he is the guy that still 70 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: has the locker room trust and can build the culture 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: that Time and the Cardinals want it to be. That's 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: to me, that's what it comes down to, because If 73 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 4: he's not that guy, then these talks wouldn't happen, and 74 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 4: more than likely that move would have already been made 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: because I think you want that guy in place for 76 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: this last part of the reset, because I don't think 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: Cardinals fans deserve for it to be more than a 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: couple of year reset. I think the Cardinals have the 79 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: funds and they have the ability to make this a 80 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: quick turnaround, and I think they should so I think 81 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: it makes sense for Ali to be extended if he's 82 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: the guy that Heim is comfortable to lead this through 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 4: the through the rest of the situation, and through the 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: rest of the next couple of years. 85 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: I think the compelling part is Him's been around for 86 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: a while, so he got to know Ali, so there's 87 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: going to be no surprises with what he's getting with 88 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: with Ali, and Ali's certainly comfortable with him. It makes 89 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: sense to me. But here's why I think Oli Marvel 90 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: is a good manager. First of all, you can second 91 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: guess moves here and there. To me, that's, you know, 92 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: little pieces of the puzzle. I think he's gotten better, 93 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: but the Cardinals have had some downs. We've had some 94 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: ups and some downs under Ali. There's no question, he 95 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: has never lost the clubhouse. I'm up, you know up 96 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: in there firsthand. You guys know that, And I can 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: tell players, what do you mean that means? I go, 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: I mean I'm digging a little too deep when I'm around. 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Never comfortable, Never comfortable because you never know, you never 100 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: know what. 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: They could whack you. 102 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: So the thing is like you get to get a 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: real sense of what's going on in the clubhouse. You know, 104 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: when there's a guy who's unhappy, disgruntled, you know, when 105 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: you know a manager might have kind of lost control 106 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: of the clubhouse. The players still play for Ali. After all, 107 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: they went through and there's some guys that had some 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: bad seasons. You know, there's a new mix of guys 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: in there, the rotation of guys showing up from Emphis. 110 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: Ali was in control of the clubhouse and the guys 111 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: played from I don't know if there's a better compliment 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: for a manager than the team continuing to play for him. 113 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: What what do you think Lance in your mind, at 114 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: least sets Ali apart. 115 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: Oh, I think you're looking at a guy who's who's 116 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: you've seen build his way all the way up. 117 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: He played in the minor leagues. 118 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: He coached from the very bottom, was it extended spring training, 119 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: was first manager all the way through, started as a 120 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: first base coach, so he's hit every single spot as 121 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: a manager. Played a little bit of minor leagues, as 122 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: I mentioned, but so he's done it, seen it all. 123 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: He knows each guys what they're kind of going through 124 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: because he's lived it a little bit. But he's also 125 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: had to coach in different aspects too to learn how 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: different players go about certain things. So he's well equipped 127 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: to deal with each individual guy in the way that 128 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: they kind of need to go about things, should go 129 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: about things, and what he's expecting, and he's got the 130 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: ability to communicate that to him. So as a manager, 131 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 3: if you can communicate and they know you have your 132 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 3: back and they also need to know all, he's going 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: to tell them the truth, like, hey, you're not gonna 134 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: be happy with this, but this is how we're going 135 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: to go this time, and you're more than welcome to 136 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 3: come in here and to say your piece. And he's 137 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: all for that, and that's what guys need because we're 138 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: all growing in and we all want to be the 139 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: best we can be. But he's also trying to put 140 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 3: you in the best situation, but also realizes he's running 141 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: an order organization and he's not the you know, he 142 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: doesn't own the team. He's sitting here putting charge of 143 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: managing the team and the players, and he's doing the 144 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: best he can to try to communicate those things. 145 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: And guys know that. 146 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Do you think, Kyle, it's easier for Ali because he's young. 147 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the youngest managers or was 148 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: anyway in a Major league baseball He's got a good 149 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: feel for how to reach the young players. Do you 150 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: see that. 151 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that could be part of it. 152 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: I think Alie is a relational person. I think that 153 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: is one of his strengths and one of his big 154 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: personality traits that makes him a good manager. He understands, 155 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: like Lance said, I think being authentic and telling the truth. 156 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: Players and people can see right through that if you're 157 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: being the opposite. And he's good at having relationships and 158 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: managing relationships between the youngest players and the veteran players. 159 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: He's willing and able to have those conversations with veterans 160 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: when they need to be happened, when they need to happen, 161 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: and sometimes they can be tough conversations about whether it's 162 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: playing hard, you know, the mindset in you know, situations 163 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: when you're struggling going about certain things. Those can be tough, 164 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: tough conversations to have with veterans, and he's willing to 165 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: have them. So I think that's what kind of sets 166 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: him apart relationally. That makes a big difference. And we've 167 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: talked about this before, you know, before we got here 168 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: to Cardinal territory, is that he does a great job 169 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: handling the media and being kind of the intermediary between 170 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 4: the ownership and the team and the media. I know 171 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: there's been instances where people have kind of questioned how 172 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: he handles that in the media with players, but I 173 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: think after seeing it first end, he always has the 174 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: players back, especially when it's warranted. The only time I 175 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 4: feel like he might not have is when you know, 176 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: maybe there was a little bit of butting heads and 177 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't as warranted. But he just does a 178 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: great job of being the face of that franchise to 179 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: the media and taking responsibility, being accountable for his mistakes 180 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: while protecting us players. And I think that's one thing 181 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: that players really appreciate. 182 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: He spends a lot of time at it behind the scenes, 183 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: meets with rights holder media right, then he meets with 184 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: the writers, and then he meets separately with the radio 185 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: and TV people. I mean, that's he spends a good 186 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: deal of his portion. I like that. You got the 187 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Tyler O'Neill butting heads thing in there. 188 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: That was a nice here you go. 189 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 4: Again noways you know, just for you to bring up 190 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: a time where all they went got into it at 191 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: the media and you have to name this, you know, 192 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 4: I mean I didn't. 193 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: Okay, every day, every day I go in there and 194 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I tape an interview and he just beerates me. I 195 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: fight back a little bit, and it's all on tape. Now. 196 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: Luckily that tape is destroyed immediately because we would both 197 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: be uh, we would both be fired if you could 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: actually publicize the things that were said. Now that's said. 199 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: I also think he's adorable. War's the hat backwards, a 200 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: sweatshirt and everything, and kind of he does and I'll 201 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: say this because I love him, but he does kind 202 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: of walk around like he's got groceries under each ar 203 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: them because you know, he hits the gym. 204 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: Carry a little. I texted him, actually there was there 205 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: is a photo that came out around the All Star 206 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: break when he was announcing the All Stars, and he 207 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 4: was in a cutoff hoodie with a tight fitting shirt. 208 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 4: I kind of wonder if he'd been hitting the gym 209 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: a little bit. He definitely he walks around carry and suitcases, 210 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: but all joking aside and all joking aside. I've also 211 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 4: seen managers like Rob Thompson, who's able to connect with 212 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 4: every player we go old, you know, no matter where 213 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: they are in their career. So I don't think it's 214 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: just because he's young. I think he has the ability 215 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 4: to connect with every player one because of his journey, 216 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: like Lance said, but two, he cares about having relationships 217 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 4: and it's not just a job sitting in the manager's office. 218 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Nd I want to bring up a former teammate of yours, 219 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: and again it's Newsy. Like we've on this show talked 220 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: about Jordan Walker, twenty three yar old guy, huge upside, 221 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: but you know, I had that first good year and 222 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: then kind of regressed and kind of swing got away 223 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: from him. But he had an interview with Derek Gould 224 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: where he was talking about his struggles last year, and 225 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: basically he said that he was stuck and he felt 226 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: sort of like a robot and he couldn't use his 227 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: natural ability or his strength that he was a statue 228 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: with his swing. And I'm just wondering because he went 229 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: down to the miners last year, did what he had 230 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: to do, came back up and started hitting again. I'll 231 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: start with Lance. You know, Jordan Walker. It seems to 232 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: me he's a young guy who got a lot fed 233 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: to him early on in terms of changing his swing 234 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: and everything, and he just had trouble sorting through it. 235 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: But he's twenty three, and to me, he's a guy 236 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: that you have to give another shot to. 237 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's too young and he's got too much upside 238 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: not to give the shot to. The question that I 239 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: think Kyle and I both are going to have is 240 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: what what are they doing to simplify things for him? 241 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: I think the game got too quick for him with 242 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: too many changes. There's a reason why he was in 243 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 3: the big leagues the year before and was able to 244 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: have the success he has now, when you go full 245 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 3: overhaul of everything, what were we expecting? So when you 246 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: go full overhaul as a hitter, and next thing, you know, 247 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: the game gets quick. You get in between pitches and 248 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: you feel stuck at the play and then next thing 249 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: and when you're thinking too much, you're a robot and 250 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 3: then you're just kind of free swinging or you're taking 251 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 3: and you get locked up. So they got to figure 252 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: out how to make him. I think the main thing 253 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: for me is, all right, what's our swing going to be? 254 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: And then we're figuring out how to hit the ball 255 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: hard and then figuring out how to maybe we catch 256 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: it out front a little bit for instead of trying 257 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: to lift it. 258 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: He's a big guy. 259 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: He doesn't need to try to generate the big lift 260 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: and stuff like that to hit home runs. He needs 261 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: to drive the ball and catch the ball out front 262 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: a little bit more to hit home runs. 263 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: But doing so, he needs to be able to realize, hey, 264 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm a big hitter. 265 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 3: I can hit fastball is the right center and then 266 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 3: if they catch a breaking ball out front, and that's 267 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: the ball I'm going to hit in the air and 268 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: pull for a home or to left field. So and 269 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: that's kind of you see the Aaron Judge comp right, 270 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: Everyone's talk about him body size this and that. That's 271 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: kind of what Aaron did. He figured out how to, Hey, 272 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure I can drive the ball 273 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: to right center, and if I get anywhere else out front, 274 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 3: I'm long enough and strong enough to where I can 275 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: clip a breaking ball out in front of me. So 276 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: they got to simplify a little bit, and then the 277 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: in between goes away. Also when you do more homework, 278 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: I think he needs to be more of a student 279 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: of the game when it comes to the pitchers you're facing, 280 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: instead of Hey, here's my swing path? Where's my swing 281 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: plath on playing blah blah blahs. What's the picture doing 282 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: to me? How can I take barrel to the ball 283 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: and hit the ball hard as I can? I think 284 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: if he does that where it says, hey, here's the 285 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: pictures stuff, here's the stuff I'm probably going to see 286 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: where I'm going to see it, and then how do 287 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: I take my best swing to that instead of only 288 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: worrying about his swing path because pitchers aren't trying to 289 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: find his swing path. They're doing their thing, and they're 290 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: pitching the way that they think they can get him out. 291 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: And if he's only worried about his swingpath, then he's 292 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 3: got no chance in hell to hit what they're throwing. 293 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: Cole, You're not, I mean, so tell me what. 294 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: You agree, Yeah, I agree, I think one. I think 295 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: he's gotten to a spot sounds like where that interview 296 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: he's being pretty open and honest about what he was feeling. 297 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: I've been in this situation in twenty seventeen where that 298 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 4: off season, going into it, I overhauled my delivery a 299 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 4: little bit, changed my arm path to try and stay 300 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: healthy because I was having some arm sore on us 301 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: and the beginning of the year was the worst nine 302 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 4: starts in my career, and I tried to walk around 303 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: with this false confidence, making sure like, Hey, everything's fine, 304 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: it'll be okay. That doesn't work. That gets exposed at 305 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 4: the big leagues pretty quick. So I say that because 306 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 4: it seems like he's gotten to a point where to me, 307 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: those statements sound like I really wasn't confident in what 308 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: I was doing, you know, and that's why you lose 309 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: that fluidity, lose the flow of what you're doing because 310 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: you're not really you're trying to feel your way through it. 311 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 4: So the fact that he's making those statements, I think 312 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: is a good sign because I think he's probably realizing 313 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: that maybe he can, you know, shift that mindset a 314 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: little bit. But preparation is huge for confidence. I grew 315 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: with Lance hundred percent. You have to be prepared if 316 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: you want to be confident. But I think I think 317 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: it takes a little bit to figure out who you 318 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 4: are in the big leagues for most players, and I 319 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: think if he can figure out kind of the type 320 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: of hitter he wants to be or maybe needs to 321 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: be in his mind, that will help and stick to 322 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: that and become that player the best you can. But man, 323 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 4: you can kind of tell in twenty four and twenty 324 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: five there was some lack of confidence and trying to 325 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: worry about Once again, I've been there, you worry about 326 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 4: getting sent down, and when you start worry about getting 327 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: sent down, you're not playing confident, And sometimes being sent 328 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: down can be one of the best things. I was 329 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 4: nearly asking to be sent down in twenty seventeen because 330 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: I just looked around and I felt like I was 331 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 4: reason we were losing every five days. So if he 332 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: feels like he's in a situation where man, I'm the 333 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: guy that left five more guys on base today, well 334 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 4: he's gonna be in this kind of lack of confidence 335 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 4: looking around, kind of wondering when the meeting with the 336 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 4: manager's coming, So I think it's good that he's in 337 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: this place. You got to find a way to be 338 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: confident even when you're struggling. Because even Aaron Judge, when 339 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: we do our homework on Aaron Judge and you see 340 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: him swinging at pitches, he doesn't rollly swing at probably 341 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: going through a little funk and you know that there's 342 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 4: a little bit of hole there until he finds that 343 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: confidence again. So Jordan's not the only good hitter that 344 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 4: goes through this, and I think you give him time. 345 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's only twenty three, and I hope they keep 346 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: it simple with him. He went down last year and 347 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: he talked about working with the double A hitting coach 348 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: in springfield and he said moved his hands away from 349 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: his body a little, and every movement that wasn't designed 350 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: to move towards the baseball right eliminated them. But everything 351 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: has to be moving towards the baseball. And he had 352 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: three zero four in July and then the rest of 353 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: the year kind of went back down. But it's in there. 354 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: We've seen it and hopefully they can unlock that again 355 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: for Jordan Walker. Time for a quick break. 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Get after 376 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 5: an FT. 377 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: Fab Nice back with Kyle Gibson and Lance Linn. Final 378 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: topic on cardinal territory. The thing that makes baseball great 379 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: in my opinion, outside of the games and everything, but 380 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: like the hot stove, people, every little nugget that's dropped, 381 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: even if it's speculation, people love that, right. They love 382 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: to read about where this guy's gonna end up? Can 383 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: we get that guy? I think that's what makes baseball 384 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: so great and being a fan so great, because it's 385 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: a lot to take in and you're interested in your 386 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: team and you want to see them make the move. 387 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: So you guys have been through that as a player. 388 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: You've been through waiting to see where you're gonna end up, 389 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: who you're gonna sign with. My question to you will 390 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: go back to you lance on this is of all 391 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: the stuff that's out there in your experience, either knowing 392 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: what a team is going to do or in your 393 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: own personal experience when you were looking for a landing 394 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: spot or where you were going to be traded to 395 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: how much of what you here read see on social 396 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: media is accurate. 397 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 3: This time of year and mostly is hearshay would be 398 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: would be like, so let's say twenty percent when you 399 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 3: get closer to nothing right in my opinion, until the 400 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: winter meetings right now, everything's just speculation. It's like here's 401 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: here's our ideas. So these are one hundred percent ideas 402 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: of front offices right now. But the probability of them 403 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: happening and lining up with trades and and this and 404 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: that are you know? Are are? Are you know twenty percent? 405 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: As the year goes on, it's fifty to fifty. You know, 406 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: there's a lot of a lot of people that here 407 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: in the little nuggets that are are fifty percent true, 408 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: I would say, as the year goes on, and it's 409 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: kind of fun to be a part of it. And 410 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: it's you know, like when Kyle and I were going 411 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: through free agency or trade deadlines, we'd always get texts 412 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: and calls, like some of the times we were texting 413 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: calling each other like this truer You're like, no, no way, 414 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: uh not happening, and uh so it's kind of funny 415 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: to see who says why. 416 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: And then the more that we. 417 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: Were involved in the game, the more we realized you 418 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: can notice who was maybe the guy who or the 419 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: or the area that was given the most false information 420 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: and you just wanted not to pay attention to it. 421 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: I don't blame the reporters, Kyle, because it's their job 422 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: to put stuff out there that people are interested in, 423 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: and some of it, to me isn't wrong. But as 424 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: I understand it, and I dig deep on this stuff, 425 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: Lambs knows that. Right if you if you work for 426 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: a team you're the assistant general manager, or even if 427 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: you're working for the president of baseball ops, you have 428 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who might be interested did with 429 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: each team, and so you read off the list just 430 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: to see where they are, and all of a sudden, 431 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: it's like, this team is inquiring about that guy. Yeah, 432 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: he's one of ten guys ahead on the list. How 433 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: do you see it? 434 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 435 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't necessarily blame the media unless something 436 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 4: is reported as fact, when it's probably easy to confirm 437 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: that it's not fact by you know, the player or 438 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 4: something like that. More than likely, anytime you're seeing information 439 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 4: put out there, as hearsays Lance is saying, which is 440 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 4: a great way to put it, it's because they've heard 441 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 4: somebody say it, right, Like, they're not just making up 442 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: this information. It doesn't do Ken Rosenthal any good to 443 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: make up that the Cardinals might sign Zack Efflin right 444 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 4: like that. That doesn't do it any good. Now if 445 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 4: he gets a nugget from somebody that directs him in that, 446 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: you know, that's one thing. So I think it's interesting 447 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: to read it because you know, for the for the 448 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: most part, like they're hearing it from someone that those 449 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 4: things could be happening in. I think there's some instances 450 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 4: where it's awesome, and then there's other instances, especially as 451 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 4: it gets close to confirming things that I know. There 452 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: were a few times that my agent would be, you know, 453 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: contacted about where I was signing, and I made my 454 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: decision and I said, hey, will you hold off on 455 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: confirming this with anybody until I can at least call 456 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 4: my family. You know, it was big around my retirement, 457 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 4: you know, he was he was not fielding phone calls 458 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 4: because I wanted to tell the people that I wanted 459 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: to tell that I was retiring before it gets out there. 460 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: So that's probably the only thing that's kind of weird. 461 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: When you hear it on the radio that you're being 462 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: traded to the Philadelphia Phillies and then you start getting 463 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: phone calls, You're like, oh, I guess I'm getting traded 464 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: to the Phillies. 465 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: So for the reker, like I think Saint Louis has 466 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: a very good responsible media group. They're not dying to 467 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: break every single story. That's their job, but they're not 468 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: going to make stuff up. Certainly, the Rosenthals, the Passes, 469 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: those guys, right, they're Morosi, they're responsible. I'm not even 470 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: talking about those guys, hey man. But Lance, there are times, 471 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're aware of it, where agents might 472 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: put out a little smoke screen about this or that 473 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: to try to gain leverage either for their for their 474 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: own player or leverage maybe against another player. 475 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you you know you see this this suitor. 476 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 3: Uh, just because they had a conversation. It's like they're 477 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: in talks. I guess technically, if you've had the conversation, 478 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: you're in talks with someone. So there's a fine line 479 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: for a lot of different things. Baseball's a very much 480 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: always worked in the gray areas of the world. But 481 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 3: like Saint Louis media, they couldn't even pick up that 482 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 3: Kyle and I were doing a physical the same day 483 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 3: together the year that we signed. It's like, man, you 484 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: just don't have anybody hanging out at hospitals waiting for 485 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: us to get an MRI machines. I was surprised by that. 486 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: Cale. Your experience was good with the Saint Louis media, 487 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: wasn't it. 488 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, you know, for the most part, 489 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 4: there was a couple of the on field people that 490 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 4: you know, we have an issue with the very now 491 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: and then just being a little bit company in the 492 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: locker room. But other than that, it was pretty good. 493 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: I mean, oh, a shot of claims, I get it, 494 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: A shot at claim's, I get it. 495 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 4: No, I mean no, I think I think it was. 496 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: It was. 497 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 4: Saint Louis to me, is a bigger market than it 498 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: probably gets credit for, and the Cardinals are the big 499 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: deal in town. You know, the Blues are big because 500 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: of you know, winning the Cup and being a big 501 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: hockey town too, but Saint Louis is a baseball town. 502 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 4: So I think that media covers the Cardinals well, they 503 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 4: cover them fairly, And yeah, I think my experience was 504 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 4: was pretty good. 505 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, that brings us to the end of the program. 506 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: I thank you. We will see you this week with 507 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: fresh new topics. I hope you're happy with the ones 508 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: I brought to the table for today. But that's gonna 509 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal territory, we'll see 510 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: you next time, and hopefully that episode won't suck.