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Welcome 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: back to another edition Around the NFL Podcast. My name 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: is Dan Hansis and I'm joined by a room filled 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosa about 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: boys Wednesday show, Middle of the Week, Up day, Get 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: over that home Week sixteen, Get excited. I had sent 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of fatigue setting in. Mark seems very 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: uh quiet today at the office. Mark was a little dark, Sessler. 27 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Greg I explained it to you. I woke I woke 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night in my house 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: is three in the morning. I couldn't get there is 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: an end of the season fatigue. It's a real thing. 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: We've been, you know, cranking at it that that's happened. 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: We've talked about that before. That's a very real, tangible thing. 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: But that was a separate issue that always that's always 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: alive at this time of year to some degree, Greg, 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Mark is kind of like late period Nameth though, 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: where even though his body might be shot, he will 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: tape up those legs. He'll go from calf to thigh 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: to get on that field, come kick off. That's what 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: you're doing right now. So you're fifty percent of what 40 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: you used to be, at least you're trying. I'm not 41 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: that's you know, Dan, I'm gonna have to go back 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and listen to that throwing the stone, tump of pilots 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: plug here half the man. I used to be a 44 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: little less TV less. I like you moving into the 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: nineties with your song references that man, that's a twenty 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: year jump. I love it alright, big show today, A 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: great show today, A lot to get to. We're going 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: to um speaking of Mark Sessler, and we better hope 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: he's got those legs taped up because we're gonna dig 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: in deep on his rookie grades, both the A f 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: C and NFC, which he's rolled out the last two weeks. 52 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: You should definitely check that out at my wrong why 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: is smiling? Well, it's just showing once again, you clearly 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: haven't read these articles. It was the offense and the defense, 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: not a single different. You guys get caught up in 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: the semantics. I love both pieces. I really did. Also, 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: we're going to uh, we're gonna open up the mail 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: bag mail bag, which we haven't done in a while. 59 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: We sent out a prompt about a couple of hours 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: before the show and got a lot of great questions. 61 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna hit that up. I'm just glad I no 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: longer have to deliver it. That's true. The mail man 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: got his name, see was a mail man. It's true story. 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: We're also gonna hit on that that scorcher Thursday night 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: game between the Tennessee Titoons and the Jacksonville Jaguars. So uh, 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna do all that. But before we get into 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: that those aspects of the show, we're gonna start by 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: saying hello to t D behind the glass. How are you, buddy? 69 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? Mark? You have a rookie. Great 70 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: for me? Yeah, I got a beam solid B minus. 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: But you weren't a first round pick, so that's fine. 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: The first round picks. He only graded the first what 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: what round is? What round are we talking for? Tv 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: TD was fourth round, which, by the way, No, you 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: had some off the field issues that scared you were 76 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: a second round of that dropped him for There were 77 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: some negative reports, um, mixed reports, I would say, from 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: other executives, league executives. Look, you gotta be one of them, 79 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: and you gotta get out of the trainer's room. This 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: missing practice because of Sniffleston. Yeah, should you can't make 81 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: the club in the tub, you should not have asked 82 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: basically anyway, Let's love you, t D Merry Christmas. Let's 83 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: do some news. Trout deep Scooby right, a short swort, 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: salt swirl. I'm ready to play, guys. I don't know 85 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: about you, guys. I love it all right. We'll start 86 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: in Dallas, where the big injury news of the week 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: revolves around running back to Marco Murray, the league's leading rusher, 88 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: who suffered a fractured bone in his hand late and 89 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Sunday Night's win over the Eagles. Underwent surgery on the 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: hand Monday, and by Wednesday was on the practice field 91 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: in some semblance. I think he was officially listed as 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: U D n P, but he was doing some work 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: on the side. I'd so it appears from everything we're 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: hearing that the Cowboys have not abandoned the idea of 95 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray playing on Sunday in a huge game against 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: the Cults. So, uh, gentlemen, is this is, first of all, 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: none of us are doctors. But does it seem a 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: little strange that someone who would have surgery a running 99 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: back would have surgery on his hand on Monday and 100 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: then play on Sunday. We've heard some examples of this 101 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: happening before Emmett Smith was one. I forget the other one, 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: and generally Drrell Owns was another. A player usually misses 103 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: one week and maybe they can get back for the 104 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: next game, and it's Smith a different category of human being. 105 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Though I don't know, I played through some crazy, crazy stuff. 106 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: I think that's true. I mean, Mark Murray has been 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: a guy who's been injury prone. It's a good call. 108 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: I think. One thing to keep in mind though, is 109 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: and I believe Jerry Jones said it that the Cowboys, 110 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: in his opinion, have the deepest backfield in terms of depth. 111 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: Their backfield is something that he thinks is the deepest 112 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: for this team. So Joseph Randall can do some damage. 113 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: So you know, we don't necessarily have to give DeMarco 114 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: Murray's ball thirty times. You have some other guys you 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: can lean on here. I'm dubious at that. I don't 116 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: agree with Jerry Jones that this is one of their 117 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: deepest positions. I think it's a huge, huge drop off 118 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: from DeMarco Murray to Joseph Randles. It is a crazy 119 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: profession that you have hand surgery on Monday, and your 120 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: profession is literally to do an athletic feat with your hands, 121 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: and he's out there on practice field. We saw him 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: making one handed catches today. You know they listed if 123 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: it did not practice, but he's running around making one 124 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: in it catches. Imagine if you know, if TD had 125 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: hand surgery Monday, he'd be out the whole week week 126 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: a decade. Sorry, that was not necessary. It's funny though, 127 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: Imagine if one of you guys had hand surgery Monday. 128 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if we're back right 129 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: in Cowboys, they put Tony Romo back in the game. 130 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: What do you take us for. We wouldn't be able 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: to come to work and hunting back out of type 132 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know, you only got one hand there 133 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: day where I did eleven posts. The concussion, that's true, 134 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: Well you didn't know you had a concussion. The disservice 135 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: of the reader. I was gonna say they were a 136 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: ghastly mess. But it seems to me, especially with Tony 137 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Romo came out back into the game on the same 138 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: day he broke his back. Essentially, uh that the Cowboys, 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: they'll probably lean on the side of taking a chance 140 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: and putting in a star player because they're that desperate 141 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: to get back to the playoffs. They know. We talked 142 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: about it on the last show that despite the win 143 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: over the Eagles, they are very vulnerable to getting knocked 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: out of this picture. Was just one bad week. So 145 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: I think it would be a surprised if Murray isn't 146 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: on the field. Would murray status be enough for you 147 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: guys to like change your pick? Potentially he's playing. I'm 148 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: picking the Colts regardless. I think it's the center of 149 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: their offense all year long. So and I agree with West. 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: You can't expect, oh, we're gonna go eight. Joseph Randal. 151 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: He's been good in Spurts. I mean, he's not a 152 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 1: bad guy to spell de Marco Murray, but Colts aren't. 153 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: The Colts aren't scared of Joseph Randal. No, of course, 154 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: not not as a lead guy. Okay, moving on, Aaron 155 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: Rodgers has come out and spoken about the issue with 156 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: Jay Cutler and Aaron Kromer, the offensive coordinator for the Bears. 157 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: Of course, Chromer, as an anonymous um source for Ian 158 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: Rappaport or NFL Media Insider, said that the Bears might 159 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: be having some buyers remorse, so he didn't say that 160 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: he he went out of his way to tell the team. 161 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: I didn't say the buyer's remre spit, but but he 162 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: did admit to the fact that he had frustration with 163 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Cutler and that Cutler wasn't changing the plays at the 164 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage the game management. That was the one 165 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: thing he was particularly frustrated with. Right, So anyway that 166 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: gets it turns into Chromer apologizing tearfully to the team 167 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: for speaking about Cutler to a reporter. And now Aaron 168 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: Rodgers chimed in on the situation this week, saying he 169 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: was quote baffled by the situation. Here's Rodgers quote Tuesday 170 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: in an interview with our own Mike Silver. I would 171 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: have a major problem if somebody said something like that. 172 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I think anybody that plays the position you can't help 173 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: it empathize with j for that situation. Uh. And he 174 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: goes on and continues to basically getting Jay cut his corner, 175 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: which not a lot of people are in j Cutler's 176 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: corner this time of year. Isn't the difference here that 177 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: there was an attribution to the comments. I mean, players 178 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: across the league are ripped internally, and it goes to 179 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: national media sources we hear about this every week, or 180 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: or coaches are or gms or whatever. There's all this 181 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: internal criticism floating about Chromer, whether he considers it a 182 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: mistake or not. He owned up to it or was 183 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: caught somehow, he must have been different, He must have 184 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: been forced into I don't know how. No one knows that. 185 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: No one's reported how that all happened. But some way, somehow, 186 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: Mark Trustman decided that Aaron Krmer, the coordinator, was not 187 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: going to be punished for this, no discipline, but he 188 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: did address the team about it. That's not something that 189 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: he was Chromer was going to go to the team 190 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: and fess up about unless. I feel like he had 191 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: to do it, but somehow got out. It's like being 192 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: in a relationship and you have committed a discretion. Do 193 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: you tell your significant other if you know what's going 194 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: to hurt them more to find the truth. Well, the 195 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: three of us have never been involved in a scenario 196 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: like that, So West, what have you done of that situation? 197 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: I I tend to be a guy who tells the 198 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: truth too much, but in that in that situation, I 199 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: think you go with whatever hurts the person less. Well, 200 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Ian you know, if you looked at his report, 201 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: his original reporting, he made it clear that he had 202 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: many sources for that report, and I believe even specified 203 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: bear sources. So it's it's interesting even within that Chromer's 204 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: one source, but someone else is near as talking to you. 205 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: And it's not a totally unique thing, but it's bizarre. 206 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: And after watching them on Monday night and that just 207 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: terrible team we've seen, you start to wonder, like, who's 208 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: who is there next year? Seven seven year, a hundred 209 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: and twenty six million dollar contract. Is it's a surprise 210 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: that there are people around that team that are freaked 211 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: out by that. Well, what you also got out of 212 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: that Monday night football game was John Gruden repeat repeatedly 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: ripping Cutler for the same exact things that Cromer was 214 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: killing it right, And I and I wonder who Green 215 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: talked to before the game. You know who knows who 216 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: it was, But it's people on that coaching staff. They 217 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: don't just say these quotes in a vacuum. The thing 218 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: with Cromer not getting fired, it's like that was nice 219 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: of Trustman. He doesn't want to kill the guy. But 220 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: even if Trustman's there next year, there's no chance that 221 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: Cromer's with him. The bigger conversation maybe down the line, 222 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: is will Jay Cutler be There a lot of stuff 223 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: going down in Chicago right now. Moving on to Carolina, 224 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: where Ron Rivera said Wednesday's not sure if Cam Newton 225 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: or or Derek Anderson will be starting in a huge 226 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: weeks Week sixteen match up against the Browns on Sunday. 227 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, of course in the big car accident. Uh, 228 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: last week sat out the win over the Bucks. Dark 229 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: Anderson got the job done. He's now too as a starter. 230 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: And this is what Rivera had to say about who 231 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: will be quarterbacking. Tomorrow will be a big day referring 232 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: to Thursday, especially in the morning, to see where Newton 233 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: is health wise, if he's sore, if something's bothering him. 234 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: This staff put him through very rigorous stuff today with 235 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: the intention of trying to stress it to see how 236 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: it feels. So uh, this seems to be very up 237 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: in the air. And you know, listen, Derek Anderson has 238 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: done a pretty nice job so far. Obviously they have 239 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: two wins and it starts, but they need to get 240 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: Cam Newton on the field have any shot. Right the 241 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: reports we sold today where that Cam Newton was great 242 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: in practice and that you couldn't even tell he was injured. 243 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: It seems like we'll play. I mean there are thing 244 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: is if they ever had to put Derek Anderson in there, 245 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: Joe Hayden might not play this week, and in practice 246 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: with a shoulder injury, they could beat then the exact. 247 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: They've got a ton of injuries and all you have 248 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: to do is Jonathan Stewart has one of his better weeks, 249 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: which he has had some good months here. I mean, 250 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: that's that might be all they need. The Bengals won 251 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: by thirty against Cleveland with a D plus performance from 252 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: their quarterback. I think Derrick Anderson can play better, but 253 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: it really sounds like it's gonna be Cam Newton, which 254 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: from my I love little storyline. Sometimes I kind of 255 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: want to see Derek Anderson against the Browns in a 256 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: fairly big game for both teams both you know, I 257 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: know the Browns are essentially out of it, but the 258 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: Panthers are. The Banthers are right in it. Wouldn't it 259 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: be just kind of fun Derrick Anderson brown about a 260 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I don't know what revenge does he 261 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: need to got massively overpaid, you know, like the underlying thing. 262 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: Whenever somebody trying to push the revenge game, it was 263 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: the team that made him a multimillionaire many times over. 264 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: It would really be more kicking Browns fans in the 265 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: nether regions once again. To look to get officially eliminated 266 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: out from the playoffs by Derrick Anderson would be another indignity, 267 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: also known as December. Mark, do us a favor. I 268 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: know you have some type of poll with the Browns. 269 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Don't lose out here and and Scar, what's been a 270 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: nice building season. Let's get one more win, get to eight, 271 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: and then you buildin saying that like Aaron Cromer, I'm 272 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: able to talk to sources within the building. Yes, exactly. 273 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: Alright to Washington, where Jake Ruden is still talking about 274 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: Albert Griffin the third of course, because he's back in 275 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: the starting lineup. They have moved Colt McCoy to injured reserve, 276 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: another one of Mark's boy uh, and now it is 277 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: r G three s turn Kirk Cousins. I think West 278 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: poisoned Jay Gruden's dog, so he is not an option 279 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: to ever start. They had to go back to r 280 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: G three and to me, this is kind of interesting 281 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: that Gruden, if you remember about a month ago, apologize 282 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: because he was a little overly critical of r G 283 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: three in a press conference. So he came out and said, 284 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,479 Speaker 1: I shouldn't you know, set all that stuff. On UH Tuesday, 285 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: he had this to say about what Washington needs to 286 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: do to win with Griffin under center this week, and 287 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: his here's his line. It's important for us to have 288 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: success on first and second down so we don't have 289 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: to drop back and throw it thirty times a game, 290 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: have a lead, so we don't have to worry about it. Uh, 291 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: basically saying if we're in a situation where Griffin has 292 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: to be a real quarterback, we're screwed. That's how I 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: read it, and I found I found that to be 294 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: a weird way to be talking about your starter. Well 295 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I wrote down almost word for word 296 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: in my game rewind note after watching that game, in 297 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the first half, they went play action and r G 298 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: three was able to get out of the pocket and 299 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: make a few plays without the threat of the play action. 300 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: In the second half when they got down Griffin was terrible, 301 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: but an right he is the head coach and part 302 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: of being the head coach, I think on some level 303 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: is yes, you shouldn't be lying to the media, but 304 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: you also you don't need to be so honest to 305 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: the point where it makes things weird in the locker rooms. 306 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: RG three uncomfortable. R G three makes himself uncomfortable. Here's 307 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: what Jay Gruden's number one job is, what he was 308 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: brought in to do develop r G three, and what 309 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: Steve Young and Trent Dilver have said and many other 310 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: people is r G three needs to capitulate to coaching. 311 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: He needs to be broken like a stallion because he 312 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: thinks his way to play quarterback is the right way. 313 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: Jay Gruden is saying, no, your way to play quarterback 314 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: is the wrong way. And what I think was the 315 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: breaking point Jay Gruden was irate when r G three 316 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: through his teammates under the bus when he can't even 317 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: run the offense. And I think everything about Gruden since 318 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: then has been to point out r G three, you 319 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: cannot run my offense, you cannot go through the reads, 320 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins and Colte McCoy do run the office. 321 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: So you're saying he's punishing the quarterback through the media 322 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: for Southern quarterbacks that I'm part of his development. He's 323 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: sending a message to r G three. You've been coddled 324 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: your whole career. Unless you break yourself down and build 325 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: yourself up and and do what an NFL quarterback needs 326 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: to do, then you're not going to be successful in 327 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: this league. I think what he said this week was harmless, 328 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: and coaches around the league say that every week about 329 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: their quarterbacks, about young quarterbacks, that we want to play 330 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: with the lead, we we want to stay out of 331 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: thirtain lungs. That's what everyone says, that that's with young quarterbacks. 332 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: It seemed like a very benign comment that people were 333 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: jumping on because, well, the whole kirk kerk fuffle started 334 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: because Mike Jones from the Washington Post phrased a tweet 335 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: in a way that sounded a lot more poisonous than 336 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: it right. If you read the whole quote. He has 337 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: a big preamble about what young quarterbacks need to do 338 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and different great quarterbacks that have struggled over times. Like 339 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: what he said is what they always say, those stay 340 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: out of. It's kind of just coach speak, But I mean, 341 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: I think you're right, Greg. The thing is that It 342 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: was another episode of Grooden going to the well and 343 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: discussing RG three to reporters and what maybe I think Westland, 344 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: you think he's refreshing for the way he's I don't 345 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: think he's refreshing when you sent that downstairs. So that's 346 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: why I thought that you'd think that I did. Yeah, 347 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: many times you said it's refreshing to hear a coach 348 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: speak honestly about his player this way. I don't. I 349 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: don't think that's the heart of the matter. Though. For me, 350 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: the heart of the matter is he thinks that this 351 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: is the way to develop RG three through But why 352 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: why can this effective breaking down and coaching not happen 353 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: inside team walls? Why do the reporters need to know 354 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: about this? I think that taking it public as a 355 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: way to show RG show, first of all, show the 356 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: team that he's not playing favorites, that r G three 357 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: has been favored by management all along. He's been best 358 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: friends with Daniel Snyder, and r G three has gotten 359 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: away with a lot of stuff. And I think this 360 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: is the way of saying to r G three, look, 361 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: you have to do what I tell you to do. 362 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: Your way of her back and he's wrong, and I 363 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: think by going to the media that's the way to 364 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of RG three. His reputation is a bit operatic, 365 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: a bit of a diva, and I think this is 366 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: part of breaking that's here. Respond to that more than 367 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: other things. We've seen reports though, that Gruden doesn't want 368 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: anything to do with r G three in the future, 369 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: and with two games left in a last season, he's 370 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: not looking, if that's the truth, he's not looking to 371 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: grow r G three as a player. It seems like 372 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: it feels like to me, he's trying to stick it 373 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: to the guy. That's my sense that he doesn't see 374 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: RG three is a long term project that he wants 375 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: to attach himself to. I do think there's a part 376 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: of sticking it to him for that throwing your teammates 377 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: under the bus when you can't even operate the offense. 378 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: I think that really rankled Jake Gruden. Right, all right, 379 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: we'll try to have a little fire. You shouldn't have 380 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: leaped out the F bomb there. That was Andrew Luck. 381 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: He agrees with me, that was very spirited debate. I 382 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: love it alright, like TD very good. Oh you did 383 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: not one Bunsen burner blowtorchs I know that's why I 384 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: had Andrew Luck. Okay, okay, moving on Reggie Wayne. Uh. 385 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: Here's a little nugget on Reggie Wayne. He played his 386 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: two ninth game as a member are the Colts. That's 387 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: the most enfranchise history on Sunday. But four catches for 388 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: twenty four yards in the game. We've been talking about 389 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne uh for a couple of weeks on the 390 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: show as somebody that might be a guy that might 391 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: be in decline. Uh. West, Where where are your thoughts 392 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: on Wayne right now as a player? Well, I think 393 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: I've been a little flipping about this that I haven't 394 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: given it the nuance that deserves. Reggie Wayne is playing 395 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: through a torn triceps and is playing as bad as 396 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: any wide receiver in the NFL. He's also a respected 397 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: team leader, and I'm sure within those walls they want 398 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: him to battle. They want him to battle through this 399 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: and show what he can do. So I feel like 400 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: maybe we should give it a little bit more thought. 401 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have talked about what what adults? 402 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: Why would adults be interested in sports? And I think 403 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: this kind of speaks to that, that kind of if 404 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: you you've mentioned a few minutes ago. I'm thinking like 405 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: an analyst when I watched Game rewind And if I 406 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: think Mars probably read this book, then in the Art 407 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: of Motorcycle make it's he makes the point the analyst. 408 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: Something is always lost in art or experience when you 409 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: analyze it. Like Mark Twain, once he became a riverboat 410 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: pilot and learned the technical side of it, the Mississippi 411 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 1: River was no longer beautiful for him, And I think 412 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: that's part of being an analyst. In football, we kind 413 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: of lose track of what's important about sports. You know, 414 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: when you get old. You know, athletes naturally rage, rage 415 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: against the dying of light. And I think Reggie Wayne's 416 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: doing that and we have to let him do that. 417 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I guess I just wanted to 418 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: get that off you. You feel badly for being negative 419 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: to a guy that's been a great player for a 420 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: long time, Well, I think if you. If I was 421 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: to hire a sportswriter, the first question I was gonna 422 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: ask him is how do you reconcile the essential meaninglessness 423 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: of sports interviews? Because there is an answer? I mean, 424 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: how do you reconcile watching young men bang into each 425 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: other and try to advance an inflated pigskin against Mark territory. 426 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you're doing. How do you reconcile 427 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: the importance of that? And I think it's that at 428 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: its best, sports is look at what humans can do. 429 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: This is the best that we can do. It's like 430 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: Shakespeare's poems or Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. This is going above 431 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: and beyond. We're sending somebody out there, Like you know, 432 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: we can't get to Mars, so we send the rover. 433 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: This is we're going above and beyond. And I think 434 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: we've seen examples like the best willis Reid haabling the tunnel, 435 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: Kirk Gibson limping up to the plate against an unhittable closer, 436 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan in the flu game. When an athlete is injured, 437 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: and especially towards the end of his career like Reggie 438 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Wayne is, look, older players can still get it done. 439 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: It's just that those those plateaus are fewer and far between. 440 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: And I think there's something to be said for an 441 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: older player trying to do that. There could still be 442 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: something left, There could still be some lighting. Reggie Wayne well, 443 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: and that was also very possibly the last regular season 444 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: home game of Reggie Wayne's career, and I think what 445 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: you're getting at is that maybe Reggie Wayne brings something 446 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: to them just being out there and competing, that maybe 447 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: giving twenty five extra snacks the chem Knicks isn't It's 448 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: not worth it, you know what I mean, because he's 449 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne, and a chem Knicks is just a chemi 450 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: and his analysts. We're not going to see football and 451 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: judge it and judge players performances weekly, the same way 452 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: that coaching staffs dealing with veterans and human beings and 453 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: a lot of issues in the locker room will fall 454 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: short at seeing what they see. Yeah, well said, alright, 455 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: moving on, gentlemen, that's what's what's what happening. That's what's 456 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: happening in the news. That was the most intense news 457 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: segment we've ever had. Fired though, man, I love Yeah. 458 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: I could picture like West smoking one of those long 459 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: pipes and sitting on a pillow with the Beatles, not 460 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: one filmed with tobacco, by the way, I mean. Marco, 461 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: Marco sleepy when he came up here. He's wide awake. Now, 462 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: some good discussion gave me ideas when you drops in 463 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: every day. I think um, I think we should test 464 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: West for PUD after the last two conversations I would 465 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: like to have alright, moving on, it's time to talk 466 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: about Mark Sessler. Oh Man, what great work he does 467 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: every week for the Around the NFL group, and he 468 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: wrote his what you don't do? Do you do good work? Yes? 469 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: Or no? I am going to have I t look 470 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: at your computer. See if you ever even clicked onto 471 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: these two lost in space articles. Uh, they are the 472 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: grades for the offense and defense sides of the ball 473 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: for rookies in the NFL. And uh, how do we 474 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: want to attack this? Do we want to look at 475 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: Mark's list one by one or do we want to 476 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: just draw out somebody that jumps out to you? Why 477 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: don't we start with the offensive side and the first 478 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: round grades? And let's see, we've got Greg Robinson right 479 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: at the top of the list, but a C minus. 480 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: Let's figure out how you have the structure. You don't 481 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of high grades for the rookie class. 482 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: It looks like, well, no, when I learned when I 483 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: when you do an exercise like this, is I sure 484 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: what West gets with his top ten list? You find 485 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: out that a large portion of the country, if not 486 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: the internationally disagree with you. And you know, again, this 487 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: was one guy's attempt at take in a swipe at 488 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: this and there with with a lot of the offensive players, 489 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: I did not one or two guys got like an 490 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: A plus or an A for me, and and that 491 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: was here's the A crowd, Zack Martin a plus sixteenth 492 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: overall pick. Uh, it looks like Gerald did a good 493 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: job not picking Johnny Manziel there. Uh, you have Kelvin 494 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: Benjamin with an A minas and of course Odell Beckham 495 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: gets an A plus for his breakout season. Also Mike 496 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: Evans and Mikey Evans a minus as well. I mean, 497 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: I thought you were very fair. If anything, Eric Ebrown 498 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: kind of stuck out to me. If he wasn't a D, 499 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: if he wasn't in the D range like I was 500 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: for geometry freshman year of high school, then who is 501 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: this guy? Seems like he's lost them a couple of 502 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: games on his own. I with that position, to part 503 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: of me is like, I don't want to. I feel 504 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: like if you're putting a D R and F and 505 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: I did on defense, you're almost kind of writing them 506 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: off as a project. And I don't with the abron yet, 507 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: but he was he I switched that great ahead of 508 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: lower initially. The grades are also a reminder on offense. 509 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: How you know people always say the offensive line, well, 510 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: that's a safe pick and you can just plug and 511 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: play Greg Robinson for ten years or Jake Matthews, and 512 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: those guys have struggled like any rookies can. Maybe and 513 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: maybe Matthews has been struggling, battling through an injury, and 514 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: Robinson's had to change positions around a couple of times, 515 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: and they could certainly bounce back, but it's no safer 516 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: taking those guys at the top. In the last couple 517 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: of years, most of those picks have not really worked out. 518 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: They have not worked out. I mean, I think that 519 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: offensive line is is an area where we'd all admit 520 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: we're not you know, we're not the experts at judging 521 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: what's happening play. We looked to Dan Brian Bold. I 522 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: don't share anything though, I keep it all inside. But 523 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: we've learned that on Juwan j Himes a few nights 524 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: ago when we were just talking on the phone and 525 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: he went on a crazy Juan James jag beautiful. I 526 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about that guy every night. Joan James. 527 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: Joan James. That's why I've stopped calling down the phone 528 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: because it's just too much of that. It's like, get 529 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: onto all right, enough with the guards stuff, bro. I like, 530 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: I like that you were putting some grades during the 531 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: season because I remember right after the draft, you know, 532 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: there's those grades. And what was the pick that got 533 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: criticized more than any other I would say in the 534 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: entire first round by the you know draft knicks was 535 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: Juwan James, who, look, we're not offensive line experts, but 536 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: he's been better than those other tackles that we've been criticizing. 537 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: Good pick, Miami Dolphins. He got something to go for. 538 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: Confess that this is the first I've seen of this 539 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: list offensive, But I would I just want to say 540 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: that my one takeaway is that I would not change 541 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: a single grade. Mark did a heck of a job. 542 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: You just looked at it for five seconds. Literally, I 543 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: just looked looked at the great are you that on 544 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: fire that you're speed reading? Now? Yeah, my boy, Teddy 545 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: Bridge rider on there getting a b Let's move on 546 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: to the defense of a piece that Mark wrote. And 547 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: I think I see only one f grade here and 548 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: it's for the overall pick. Marcus Smith tell us, why Mark, 549 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: I think for me because of what I seem to 550 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: when I've been reading about him and what the coaches 551 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: are saying, that they've almost given up on him for 552 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: this season. He's had to switch positions a few times, 553 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to play this week because of injuries, 554 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: but that he's been basically not had a snap since 555 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: week twelve, and they talked about his practice habits, hinting 556 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: that that's an issue too. And when you're taking twenty 557 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: overall and basically Howie rosemand GM said this was our 558 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: number one guy on the board, it just feels sort 559 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: of like a comprehensive failure for the Eagles. By the way, 560 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: Calvin Pryor at C minus is awfully nice of you, 561 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: awfully nice. Yeah, and Key's played a little bit better 562 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: in recent weeks, um, but he got bench so he 563 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: doesn't make any plays. And who's making plays on that 564 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: defense outside of the defense, But Calvin Pryor is brought 565 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: in to be an instant playmaker and has been the 566 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: been the case. Tell me the tell me the guy 567 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: on defense Mark that you watched that you like the 568 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: most well. Wesleyan actually uh sent me a vine I 569 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: think in week two or so of Aaron Donald taking 570 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: out Adrian Peterson light speed. And he's been fun to 571 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: watch because I think the Rams people are like, oh 572 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: the Rams, all these number one picks, A lot of 573 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: them who are They haven't really hit one out of 574 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: the park and they keep taking defensive lineman. Aaron Donald 575 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: to me is what would be my pick for defensive 576 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: rookie of the Year. I would love to hear what 577 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: you guys think. But c J. Mosley's second. But Aaron 578 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: Donald's just been gotten better and better as the season 579 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: gone has gone on, and he's gotten more sacks from 580 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: as an interior lineman then Khalil Mack and c J. 581 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: Mosley put together. Yeah, I think Aaron Donald should be 582 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: the favorite up there with c J. Mosley, Cleo Mack 583 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: and Anthony Barr should be in the discussion. And good. 584 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: I think the one guy on this list that I 585 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: would change I give Haha Clinton Dicks a B plus 586 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: instead of B minus. I think he's been very good. Yeah, 587 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: and he's I mean, he certainly jumped into a starting 588 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: role of late two and and they tee people around him, 589 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: seemed to like him, So that's that's fair. She's here's 590 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: a guy Ryan che'sier. Are the Steelers who you gave 591 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: an incomplete You know, he did play a decent amount, 592 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: not much since week nine. Now he's back on the 593 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: roster and he's not even playing. He was the guy 594 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: we thought could maybe win defensive Rookie of the Year. 595 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: I would say even when he was on the field 596 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: early in the year, he was okay. He wasn't a 597 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: guy who came in right away and made that big 598 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: time instant impact that we kind of expected. All right, gentlemen, Mark, 599 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: great work on those two pieces. You could get them. 600 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: Is there a vanity you are not we could get well? 601 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: I know, I mean I I it's just you know, 602 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: it's just you go to work, you plug in the copy, 603 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: you write it out next. It did great and and 604 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: just a show. He doesn't play favorites. He gave Justin 605 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: Gilbert from the Browns and d Well. We knew Mark didn't. 606 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: When if Mark was gonna go one way with the Browns, 607 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: it would be toward the harsher end. I'd be the 608 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: same way with a jet. You just get like, That's 609 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: why I think Calvin Pryor did worse than he. I mean, 610 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: he even pointed out Kawan Williams undrafted, looks better than 611 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: Justin Gells have but a little bonus money sent Mark's way, 612 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: maybe he could be a two time MVP Award winner. Alright, 613 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: So before we move on, our boss Greg Roosevelt had 614 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: to step out of the studio because big news out 615 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: of Chicago or the Bears, according to NFL Media Inside 616 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: or Ian Rappaport, have benched Jake Cutler for Jimmy Claus 617 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy Clawson, according to two sources informed of the situation. 618 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: Rappaport previously reported that Mark Tressman considered Bench and Cutler 619 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: when the team was trailing at halftime to the Bucks 620 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: in Week twelve. Cutler has continued to struggle since that game. Uh, 621 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: and now the decision has been made in a loss 622 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: the year for Chicago to move on from Cutler and 623 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: start classing. And obviously, like I said the season, that 624 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere this season. But what does this 625 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: mean long term? Obviously seems to be pointing towards the 626 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: end of Jay Cutler in Chicago. Correct it is? I 627 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: last offseason I did a study when I was doing 628 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: a Matt Shop post on franchise quarterbacks over the age 629 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: of thirty who would have been benched in season. The 630 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: loan exception is Kurt Warner, as far as ever coming 631 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: back and having sustained success as a franchise quarterback. Again, 632 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: so out of ten or fifteen guys who were over 633 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: thirty and we're viewed as franchise quarterback, only one has 634 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: come back and reached a Highler. I mean, you're taking 635 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: even behind beyond the Barras end of it. You're saying, 636 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: this is the sign, at least going by the data 637 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: that he's just done. Jay Cutler, this is now the 638 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: long decline for a guy that just signed a massive contract. Yeah, 639 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: I think I compare him something to to a guy 640 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: like Jim Everett who was in a similar situation, had 641 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: a big arm and big stats, but never one again 642 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: after that. It seems like it's not just a physical 643 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: thing with Cutler, it's you know, he left Denver with 644 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: some ill rapport going on with that coaching staff, and 645 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: that was their franchise quarterback. There goes to Chicago, hasn't 646 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: produced you know, offensive coordinert how many offensive corders he 647 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: left in his dust Ron Turner, Mike Marts, Mike Tye, 648 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: right Al, Aaron Cromer, and Mark Trustman got brought in 649 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: chiefly because he was known as the quote quarterback whisperer, 650 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: and that started off promisingly enough last year, but it 651 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: has been downhill since since. And then we'll talk about 652 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: the financial side of the Bears. Oh Cutler fifteen point 653 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: five million fully guaranteed next season as part of that 654 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: seven year deal he signed in January, but West, uh, 655 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean that they're tied to him. Really 656 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: beyond that, it doesn't uh. NFL Media's Charlie Casserley, a 657 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: former general manager for the Texans and he worked for 658 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: the Redskins, explained this yesterday on our airwaves that the 659 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: Bears can cut him and if another team signs him, 660 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: which we expected, another team will sign him as a starter. 661 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: They might not give him fifteen million, but if they 662 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: give him ten million, that counts against what the Bears 663 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: will owe him, So they can cut him. And if 664 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: it was fifteen million, maybe they'll only owe him five 665 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: million dollars and that financially, depending on where you are 666 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: salary cap wise over there, that may be worth it 667 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: to them if they want to completely start fresh. I mean, 668 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: the other question is does Trustman stick around? Does the 669 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: GM stick around? But this is on the GM to 670 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: have created this contract. And by the way, there's now 671 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: most likely another team that's gonna be the top ten 672 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: or twelve in the draft that will be looking for 673 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: a quarterback. It's to me Jimmy Clawson is not the answer. 674 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: This is a stopgap guy. They're either gonna try to 675 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: find someone else and freate. To me, my opinion is 676 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: that Cutler is done after a decision like this. I 677 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: guess it could change with new UH management and new coaching, 678 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: but it seems like Cutlers play his last game in Chicago, 679 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: right Yeah. I think that's an important distinction. He's not 680 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: getting benched for a first round pick like Johnny Manzel. 681 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: He's getting bench for Jimmy Clawson, who has already walked 682 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: out of the league. And Mark and I saw him 683 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: in an elevator with basically a beer gut how many 684 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: months ago. Well, that was the Super Bowl. He wasn't 685 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: He probably didn't know he'd be starting for the Bears 686 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: at this point. I hope he still has that beer gut. 687 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: I hope he shows up on the field with a 688 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: massive beer gun. That would be fun. I would enjoy it. Sure, 689 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: that would be in an interesting footnote to all of this. Yes, 690 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: so that is the big news of week sixteen and 691 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: the end of the season. I mean, this is it's 692 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: gonna be a chaotic offseason in Chicago and this is 693 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: the sign that we're heading towards some crazy stuff in 694 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: shy Town. Alright, So that was pretty wild news. But 695 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: let's get to the real big story of week sixteen, 696 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: and that is Thursday night football gentleman Tennessee Tytoons against 697 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. This game being played in Jacksonville, and Mark, 698 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: I think we don't need to get too caught up 699 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: with this game, Mark and West. But what is the 700 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: biggest thing to you that jumps out to you about 701 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: what this game means? Well, I get a lot of 702 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: people I hear it all be calong the rip in 703 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: this game. But you know there is if you're these 704 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,479 Speaker 1: two two and two teams, you're operating in reverse order 705 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: and your fan base at least just thinking about the draft. 706 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: And I think it's always an interesting dynamic these fans. 707 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: They may want to lose this game, because you could 708 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: get set up very well the loser of this game 709 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: to get the number one draft pick. That's not what 710 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: how coaches think, but fans certainly do. At this point 711 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: in the year, Titans are down to Charlie Whitehurst at quarterback. 712 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: The only thing to root for in this game because 713 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: the number one. Yeah, I mean this game is more 714 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: important to Titans fans than Jaguars fans. Which of these 715 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: two teams is closer to turning around? I think the 716 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: Jaguars because I believe Blake Bortles can be their quarterback 717 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: in the future, and the Titans don't have a quarterback. 718 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: And look for if the Jaguars were to end up 719 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: with the first pick, they would be unless there was 720 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: somebody they were absolutely in love with a number one. 721 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: Look for them to trade out of that pick because 722 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: they have their quarterback where they believe they have him 723 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,959 Speaker 1: and clean up on some poor team. Using the Jets 724 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: as an example, but certainly also the Tennessee Titans is 725 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: an example somebody that will trade up to get that 726 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: one spot. So from an actual game perspective, there might 727 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: not be that much to get excited about, but the 728 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: game could have huge ramifications for the big picture of 729 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. That's the best we could do. That's not bad, right, 730 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: That was that was well orchestrated. Move on, alright, moving on, 731 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: and we are going to move on to the mail bag. 732 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: As I said, the Around the NFL listeners who are 733 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: just amazing. I say it all the time. Um when 734 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: sometimes when I'm talking to friends at a bar or 735 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: on the phone some friends back home, and I explained, 736 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: like how passionate the fans are, and I send the 737 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: tweets and it's it's amazing, how great you guys are. 738 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: We appreciate you so much. And when I sent out 739 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: a prompt for some questions from the mail bag, immediately 740 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: roughly six point four million questions not accurate, but there 741 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: were a lot and I sifted through them and I 742 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: just picked a few. If you, if you are chosen, congratulations, 743 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: you are part of the Around the NFL podcast forever. 744 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: And if you weren't chosen, you know, keep trying. This 745 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: will happen again. Well, what Mark's really saying is be 746 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: better that too. Let's start with Christopher. I don't know 747 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: how to pronounce his name, watching, but he's that at 748 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: sing for the Day. That's a nice Twitter handle. I 749 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: like that. Uh we here is the question. We all 750 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: know about the breakup songs list, but what does Chris 751 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: listen to when he's in a relationship. I have very 752 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: eclectic music taste. I'd like jazz, folk, old country, rock 753 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: and roll, hip hop. But we're specifically when Chris is 754 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: in love and West and the birds are chirping ahead overhead, 755 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: what are you listening to? I have a list. I 756 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: have playlists on Spotify that I listened to. There's one 757 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: called if you want to look up my Spotify. There's 758 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: one called road Trip. There's one called Saturday in December. 759 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: These are my go to but it's there one called 760 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm in Love. No, well that's the question. No, it's 761 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: not like David Cassidy or anything like that. You're saying 762 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 1: you can't program love. Is that the answer to this question? 763 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. That is a very deep way to 764 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: put it, and I sail I can't. I can't match 765 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: the depth that you brought earlier in the show today, 766 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: But I do I do say that, moving on this 767 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: one from you, guys are putting them putting me on 768 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: the spot. Hakan ang at ang hakan uh, says I, 769 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: don't know. He seems or he seems like a very 770 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: good person. Will we have the honor to see you 771 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 1: guys at the two thousand fifteen Stockholm World Championships without question? 772 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean we've we've booked our hotels two years ago. 773 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: Actually it's like log spinning, caper tossing and what sport 774 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: are we talking about? I don't know. We'll be there though, 775 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: if you if you uh, give as beer and um food, 776 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: pretzels and other things and put a roof over our 777 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: head housing, we will be there. Well for West, for 778 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: Mark and I just a landline so we could reach 779 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: our families and tell them that we love them. Moving on, 780 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: this one from Damnaschek at Damnascheck. You might know him. 781 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: He is verified on Twitter. Come on, like, what's up? 782 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: What's up with that? This one was actually to me. 783 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: Do you feel it's a form of emotional abuse to 784 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: make your young child a Jets fan? And it's it's 785 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: a shot? Listen, I get it. It's a shot by Dave. 786 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: This was tied to me and handsome Hank uh notorious 787 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: uh programming programmer Hank saying to me and him went 788 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: back and forth about the dolphins and the Jets earlier 789 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: today he jumped in. Dave did and I will say 790 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: that being a Jet fan is horrible and uh, but 791 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: it builds character. But when my son was born, when 792 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: Jack was born, and I did I think I told 793 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: you the story in the podcast. When I got some 794 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: Jets pajamas and stuff for him, it did cross my mind. 795 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: Do I want to put him through this? Is there 796 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: any light at the end of the tunnel. Ultimately, I said, 797 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: I gotta take him along with me, because otherwise, you 798 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: know that that's empty and hollow. And what if the 799 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: Jets became great and my son missed out on that? 800 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm sticking with him. Jack's being raised 801 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: in l A and soon he will have his own 802 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: team to well, that's something I need to battle to. 803 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: There are a lot of battles on that front. But yes, 804 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: I I've thought about it. But he's going to be 805 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: a Jets fan if I have something to do with it. 806 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: Here's a good question to the group. Do you think 807 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: Antonio Gates is a Hall of Famer? Yes, I would 808 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: agree with that. I don't know why I can't put 809 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: myself in that club. I know that he the last 810 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: two seasons also if he would have had if he 811 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: has one more great season, but he's kind of trailed 812 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: off the last two years in a row, and I've 813 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 1: never looked at him the way I look at like 814 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: Gronk even when he was Maybe it is the greatest 815 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: tight ending history potentially, Yeah, but I don't see Gates 816 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: write that player mind blowing stad On Gronk. Yes, I 817 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: believe he has fifty four touchdowns and fifty game fifty 818 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: six games. It took Tony Gonzalez twice as many games 819 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: to get to that touchdown. Unbelievable. And that's a guy 820 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: that's had significant injury issues too, Gronk, and he's overcome 821 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: them and he's never missed a beat. I see Antonio 822 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: Gates is better than Shannon Short. Yeah, I guess you 823 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: could say that that's fair. Gates will probably get in 824 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: sometimes in these debates. It's that, Oh, people can think 825 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: of Shannon Sharp being attached to these championship teams too, 826 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: And you're hard if you're hard, press sometimes if you're 827 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 1: not in one of those teams that had Atana. Antonio 828 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: Gates moment in January, but he made a good point 829 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 1: over the summer that basically I never played in college. 830 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: I'm fresher than people realize. My career is not over 831 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: because he's looked that way this year. This one's from 832 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: Mike at m I K underscore, underscore c A F, 833 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: that's a. That's a D plus Twitter handle. That's you. 834 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: Gotta clean that up. Clean that up, Mike. But this 835 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: is a good question. Which team makes the best half 836 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: halftime adjustments? I don't. I don't know Patriots? Who cares? 837 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: The second part of the question I like better. Which 838 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: of you heroes is the best skier, snow ski or 839 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: water ski? I would I looked at it a snow skier, 840 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: but I guess it could be water A lot of 841 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: snow skiing growing up. You had some Colorado ties to it, 842 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: didn't you, Mark, And never actually skied when I was 843 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: in Colorado, but with ski and like the bad Lands 844 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: of Vermont Um. But that was we're talking years ago. 845 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not this is not a new hobby, 846 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't put myself in the running. T d Uh. 847 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: You have an additional question. Read it out like you 848 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: read the rest of look at that from at producer 849 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: t D. What's your favorite route concept? What a jerk? 850 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: I like the wheel. Uh moving on. This is from 851 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: Kevin Brown, not the surly major league pitcher. This is 852 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: at Pavilion Kevin Brown. What's more likely, man'zell? I believe 853 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: he's referring to Johnny football makes a Pro Bowl or 854 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: is out of the league in two years? This is 855 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: a good what's more likely? Can we get a what's 856 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: more likely? Drop? More likely? Well, I would just say 857 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: with the way quarterbacks are that I would go Pro Bowl. 858 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: I don't think either or likely. But you you don't 859 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: see a first round quarterbacks disappearing out of the league 860 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: in two years. If you see if he's not in 861 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: Cleveland's someone else is going to take a shot on it, 862 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: you are out on Johnny Manzel. No, I'm not at all. 863 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's unlikely he'll ever make a Pro Bowl. 864 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: And I said it's more likely that that he'd get 865 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl. Okay, I misheard you. Then I apologize. Yeah, 866 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: I don't think any quarterback, unless they are an undrafted 867 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: nobody is out of the league in two years. Yeah, 868 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: even Brandon we didn't kill McCoy, is still Tim Tebow 869 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: three years. Tim Tebow. The only thing that's a little 870 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: bit like Manzel is the the high octane like media 871 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: factor involved, but Tebow Gammick offense, I would say that 872 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: that Manzel has some quarterback and gifts the Tebow is 873 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: not I agree with that, but he has been mentioned 874 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: in the same breath. Now I am gonna refrain from 875 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: an answer on that one because I don't like either choice. Okay, 876 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: that sounds a little extremist. It's a little extremist in 877 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: the question asking if he asked me, well, he said 878 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: what's more likely? It's saying what's going to happen? But 879 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, listen, I think we're gonna survive. We move 880 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: on to Tom Marshall at Red's UK. No, Tom Marshall's 881 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: from the UK, so it's not Tommy, it's oh Thomas. 882 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: This isn't the guy who won thirty grand. Maybe I 883 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: I assume at this point everyone is won thirty grand 884 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: off Vanduel except for us in this room. Uh. And 885 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: by the way, I've gotten your tweets everyone from overseas 886 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: on fan Duel. I guess you have no access to 887 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: it if you're not from the United States. I don't 888 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: know tough cookies. I didn't know that either until I 889 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: started getting your tweets, Yeah, it's great service of that. Vanduel. 890 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: This is from Tom Marshall with the season end uh near? 891 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: Can you and quote fork the career of a player 892 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: or two Reggie Wayne and m J D. For me, 893 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: Tom says, and those seem like fair choices, two guys 894 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: once great players that seemed. Sorry to bring up Reggie 895 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,479 Speaker 1: Wayne West by the way, I um apologize. I feel 896 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: like I'm being evasive in this whole question and answer section, 897 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: but I have always been philosophically opposed to fans and 898 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: media telling a player when his career is done. So 899 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: I would I don't want any part of this. I 900 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: used to I liked what West who just had hardcore opinions. 901 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: This softer version of West doesn't. I always thought this. 902 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: I remember when sports pasi were telling Dame Marino to 903 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: hang him up, and I'm be like, who do you 904 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: think you are? All right? Put it this way, I'll 905 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: rephrase the question and I sit it downstairs. Not it's 906 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: not over for you, go go uh to a farm 907 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: and retire from football. It's a guy that was a 908 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: great player, or a very good player, or it was 909 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: a highly tattered player. You now believe that maybe he's 910 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,959 Speaker 1: never going to be that guy again or never gonna 911 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: realize his potential. That's a different question if you want 912 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: to go from that angle. Uh, why well, why not 913 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: Trent Richardson, Okay, it's certainly fair first round pick. Is 914 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: that guy in the league next year? Yes, But I 915 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: mean I don't think any team can look at him 916 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: at this point, whether it's the Cults or otherwise as 917 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 1: anything other than one of your rotational backs, maybe a backup. 918 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: Do you want to put a high octane sandwich on that. 919 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: I think he gets cut next summer when it doesn't 920 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: play in the league next year. I gotta I just 921 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: got a bit of a sessler. I will I would 922 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: bet you a sandwich on that. I don't bet it's 923 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: just a wage proposition. I have an answer now that 924 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: you rephrase the question, Andre Johnson. It's clearly been bypassed 925 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 1: by DeAndre Hopkins. I believe Hopkins has the greatest percent 926 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: of his UH team's receiving yards of any receiver in 927 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 1: the league. But his The one thing I'll say about Johnson, 928 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he's all the way in mentally 929 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: there either. I think he is. Yeah, mine would be 930 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: UH West Welker the Broncos. I think that this is 931 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: something maybe over the past two years we've seen because 932 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: he's had the health issues, but he's become a human 933 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: six yard gain receiver. I mean he catches its twice, 934 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: his team Rich he catches it and he just seems 935 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: to be he can't shed anybody more as no real acceleration. 936 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: So I think Welker, we've seen the best of Welker, 937 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know what his future holds. So 938 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,800 Speaker 1: that is that question. West already get this so negative. Uh, 939 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 1: this one kind of and I'll look towards the glass 940 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: on this one from Tom at Budgee is here. Why 941 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: aren't there more gold Standard cameos? They well, you know, 942 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: it's a whole production team we have back here. And 943 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: Ghost Standard is a busy man, very bright young man, 944 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: working on some great things. And uh he comes up 945 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: here when he can, and uh, we have a whole 946 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: team though it's not just Ghost Standard. We have z Drizzle, 947 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: we have Rob c we have no social medium, Mike 948 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: k Rich you know, so we've got a whole team. 949 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: But he's busy working in some good things and hopefully 950 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: we'll be back here because you know, me. I love 951 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: my days off, so you know you do? Uh? Since 952 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: we're here, TD one more towards you, Adam Thompson Thompson 953 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: A two thousand and six. I like this part of 954 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: the show, but odds that Megatron averages eight tds over 955 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: the next two games to make black Ty look like 956 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: a genius. Black Tye, of course, predicted twenty five touchdowns 957 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: for Calvin John I'm crazy for predicting that the best 958 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: marvocy rever our generation was gonna have a career year 959 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: and break records historic here. Yeah, you got it wrong. Um, 960 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dude, it's over because Matthew Stafford even I 961 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: don't even close this one from the injury though. A 962 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: couple more from Mitch, who do you consider better at 963 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: their respective position? What? Or Rogers? Real quick, guys, what 964 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: he's the best at any position? I'll go Rogers because 965 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: I think that's the hardest position in sports. And finally, 966 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,720 Speaker 1: is he saying compared to his peers? Yeah? There? And finally, 967 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: Sam Brown at Mr Sam Brown, Mark, this is for you, 968 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,479 Speaker 1: and you gotta be honest, we're in the trust tree. 969 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: Have the Cleveland Browns ever made you shed a tear? Yes? Specifically, 970 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: uh not the drive after the fumble. I was in 971 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: seventh grade when the fumble happened, and I could not 972 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: quite comprehend that it was real. Us the next day 973 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: that the rest are gonna reverse some call and it didn't. 974 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: That was just garbage, didn't happen. I was probably twelve, 975 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: and you cried. Yeah, yeah, I got very emotional when 976 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: when Game five at the Kingdom and ninety five, when 977 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: Don Mattingley's career ended. Remember going on a long walk 978 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: as a fifteen year old boy knowing that I would 979 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: never see my hero play again. And that was the 980 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: only time I've ever truly feel felt like I was 981 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: on the edge. But I don't know if I ever 982 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: sobbed over it. Well, I'm a more emotional person. You 983 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,720 Speaker 1: are an emotional guy. You're gonna make me cry Donnie 984 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,280 Speaker 1: Ball game. All right, that's it for thank you again 985 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: for everyone sending your questions. That's uh, Wenday Wednesday's edition 986 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. We will be back 987 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: on Thursday where we'll break down that Powerhouse Thursday night 988 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 1: game and then get into all the Sunday action. Uh 989 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sure dig in a little bit more on 990 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: the J. Cutler situation, which is pretty wild. This is 991 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: Dan Hansons signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the 992 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,240 Speaker 1: Boss and t D behind the glass