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Speaker 2: I'm really sure it's dead. He's coming this way. Wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, I said, I runs dress. P Hey boo,

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Speaker 2: it's me Roz. I have got back. Gunner Death Wrench

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Speaker 2: on the show today. Gunner, who you may know from

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Speaker 2: Project Runway. He was on Project Runway All Stars. He

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Speaker 2: has made costumes for some of the biggest names in showbiz,

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Speaker 2: and he's also mega famous on TikTok Gunner's back. Gunner

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Speaker 2: has also told me maybe the scariest story I've heard

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Speaker 2: in my entire life. And if you haven't heard it,

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Speaker 2: please do yourself a favor and go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to when Gunner was on the show the first time.

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Speaker 2: It was early on. It was originally on July eighteenth

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Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen. But hey, the story does not expire.

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Speaker 2: It is still terrifying and we talk about it a

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Speaker 2: lot today. So check that out. Hey, you know what

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Speaker 2: else is going on in the news. You may have

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Speaker 2: heard another one of my favorite guests of all time,

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Speaker 2: Cassandra Peterson, has a new book that just came out

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Speaker 2: and it arrived in the mail. I cannot wait to

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Speaker 2: read it. It is called Yours Cruelly Alvirah Memoirs of

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Speaker 2: the Mistress of the Dark. I can't wait. You also

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Speaker 2: may have heard she's made headlines with it because she

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Speaker 2: has come out about her relationship with a woman the

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Speaker 2: past nineteen years. And I'm so excited for her, and ugh,

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Speaker 2: she's just she's my idol. She is my number one idol,

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Speaker 2: and I cannot believe that she has been on this podcast. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I thought in this intro today I would tell you

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Speaker 2: guys about, you know, some of the hot topics in

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Speaker 2: the paranormal world. I always love that when I'm reporting

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Speaker 2: the news in terms of the paranormal, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 2: someone's got to talk about it. Why not be me?

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Speaker 2: Why not be us? I love this shit. So the

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Speaker 2: first thing I wanted to talk about was Harry Enton

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Speaker 2: from CNN has done some digging around about people's beliefs

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Speaker 2: in the paranormal and what he has found is that

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Speaker 2: forty six percent of Americans believe in ghosts today compared

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Speaker 2: to eleven percent forty years ago. So it says Americans'

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Speaker 2: beliefs in ghosts has skyrocketed four hundred percent since the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies. I blame the exorcist. Well, I mean the

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Speaker 2: Exorcist that was I think early mid seventies. It's probably

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Speaker 2: just think it's movies. I think movies have affected people's

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Speaker 2: movies like that framed this as based on a true story.

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Speaker 2: So I think that that adds validity for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people on this topic. And TV shows, paranormal TV

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Speaker 2: this stuff a lot was called In Search of which

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Speaker 2: was hosted by Leonard Nieboy Leonard Nimoy from Star Trek,

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Speaker 2: and that was late seventies, early eighties ish, and then

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Speaker 2: of course Unsolved Mysteries and then just a slew once

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Speaker 2: we hit the early two thousands. So many paranormal TV

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Speaker 2: shows that have been on, you know, of course ghost

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Speaker 2: here to tell you what's real and what's not, but

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Speaker 2: what that is worldwide. I don't know, but you know,

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Speaker 2: Seventy five percent of Americans believe that there are events

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about any of that. But I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm just reporting the hard hitting news. I am the

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Speaker 2: or not, but it says Jennifer Coolidge, who I love

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Speaker 2: Jeffer Coolidge. Everyone loves Jennifer Coolidge. I mean, everyone loves

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Coolidge. She's just the greatest. And to make her

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Speaker 2: even better, says Jennifer, Coolidge revealed that she actually wants

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Speaker 2: to see a ghost in her house, and apparently her

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Speaker 2: house in New Orleans is haunted. Since two thousand and five,

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Speaker 2: New Orleans. The house was built in eighteen sixty seven

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Speaker 2: in the Lower Garden district. It is a classic Greek

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Speaker 2: at Coolidge's house, says. Guests have reported that her house

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Speaker 2: is haunted her White Lotus co star Connie Britton, who

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Speaker 2: I love White Lotus and I love Connie Britain, says.

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Speaker 2: She has described a time that she visited on a

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Speaker 2: just imagining Jennifer Coolidge telling Connie Britain they're having a

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Speaker 2: the spirits are strong here tonight be careful, Connie, good night.

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Speaker 2: I'm not good at impressions, says. Though she never saw

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Speaker 2: a ghost, Britain admitted that the house felt haunted. Wait

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Speaker 2: shooting a film in New Orleans. This is in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: She rented a house which turned out to be haunted.

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Speaker 2: She explains, we would sort of hear things bumping around.

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Speaker 2: freaking out. But the scariest part about it was the

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Speaker 2: ended up staying who are the boys? Okay? Anyway, back

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Speaker 2: to this story from Jennifer Coolidge's Haunted House, Superstore, actors

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Speaker 2: Nico Santo's I know, Nico Santo's and Ben Feldman had

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Speaker 2: another story. You can't use the downstairs bathroom be because

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Speaker 2: the room for her kimonos, Feldman said. Coolidge says she

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Speaker 2: heard about. I've got a TV star coming up. I've

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Speaker 2: email to ghosted by rosatgmail dot com with the subject

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Speaker 2: line listener episode and also on Patreon this week Patreon

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Speaker 2: dot com slash rosdres fales. I thought I would show

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Speaker 2: crystals because I also talk about crystals today with Gunner

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Speaker 2: I am joined by return guest Gunner death Ridge. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Hello world, how are you? I'm so good. I'm so

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Speaker 2: happy that you've you have the time to come talk

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't either, but I will always

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you. You're now this a giant TikTok star

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Speaker 2: on top of all the other things that you do,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so happy to see it.

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Speaker 1: I'm now the epitome of bless this mess, everyone's favorite

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Speaker 2: I you know what I was thinking as I watch

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Speaker 2: your videos. You always have the crystals, are you? Are

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Speaker 1: You know I have to say, I'm I do love them.

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch of them. It started with not

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Speaker 2: So is that how it started? Like you, you just

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Speaker 2: It messes with me. You telling me that story has

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Speaker 2: I read you how to do this?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the kind of thing that you're

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Speaker 2: it was the scariest thing ever. It's supposed to be, Like,

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Speaker 1: with this if you could master that, right right, Imagine

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Speaker 1: the Shenanigans.

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Speaker 2: Oh, imagine the Shenanigans. I know. And it's not unlike

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Speaker 2: astral projection. Do you know about that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, this is just slightly different. Okay. So

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Speaker 2: Number four, drift off without losing your thoughts on them,

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Speaker 2: crossing into his or her dreams, I am about to fall,

431
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: I'm about to enter his, her, or their dreams. Number five,

432
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: practice lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming allows you to be aware

433
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: that you are dreaming. When you do this in your dreams,

434
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: then you are able to consciously enter another person's dream

435
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: by saying here's her name or focusing on a familiar

436
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: portal that holds meaning to them, you can enter their dreams.

437
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: All right, that's what it says.

438
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I love to lucid dreams. So I feel

439
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: like that's the only step that I'm comfortable with in

440
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: that I'm more of a victim than I am, like

441
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur in the dream sharing experience.

442
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: Right now, Oh my god, I'm sorry. Am I bringing

443
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 2: up Like is this traumatic to bring up?

444
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: No? No, but my brain everything else minus the lucid

445
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: dream of my brain's like, we'll talk about that. We'll

446
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: get to that later.

447
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: I know. I know.

448
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun though, like to just imagine it.

449
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: It's fun to think about. But I'm not I'm not

450
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: interested in trying it.

451
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, dreams are weird anyway, because it's this kind

452
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: of space where you slip away for a second. You

453
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: don't but you do. Like I had my first like

454
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: what I would consider a sleep paralysis recently, which I

455
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: didn't love. It was very scary, But it wasn't like

456
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: there wasn't like a little girl in the corner or anything.

457
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I just was awake and I couldn't move and it

458
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: was very frightening. And so I think dreams are just

459
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: like I think I'm susceptible to it. Like I think

460
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: if I were to focus on this, I could probably

461
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: accomplish this. Oh I'm sure, Like obviously my brain is

462
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: already like kind of willing to go there. I think

463
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes I should just let it.

464
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: Well, So when you had sleep paralysis, did it feel

465
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: like a paranormal thing to you in any other sense,

466
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: like any did you have any feelings that felt like, ooh,

467
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: there's another presence here.

468
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Kind of you know, it was weird. It was the

469
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: most ordinary day. I was taking a nap on my couch,

470
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: which I like never get a chance to do. And

471
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean when I don't know if I felt like

472
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: there was someone in the room, but I definitely felt

473
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: like there was something not letting me wake up, you know,

474
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: like it was weird because I didn't really I feel

475
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: like there was somebody else in the room. I just

476
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: like it felt very unnatural that I could not wake up,

477
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is not right, and so

478
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: like it was like an instant panic thing. So it

479
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: kind of set the tone for the whole thing really poorly. Wow,

480
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just it was a very

481
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: strange feeling, I think because it felt so physical and

482
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: less mental, if that makes sense. Like physically I could

483
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: not wake up, but mentally I was awake. So it

484
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: was this like weird thing where my brain and my

485
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: body were separate for a moment. Is what it felt

486
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: like to me.

487
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: Oh, were you sleeping on your back or your stomach?

488
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: I was on my back.

489
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how that will do it.

490
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: My god. Well, so now I'm like, well, is that

491
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: like anatomically something that happens or is that like you know,

492
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people experience sleep proassis, even

493
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: if they don't know what it is.

494
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: Oh totally. But every time I ask people, I say,

495
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: stomach are back, and most of the time they say

496
00:28:53,040 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: they sleep on their back. Okay, So, Gunner, has anything

497
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: else paranormal happened to you since we last spoke, because

498
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I know you're haunted. Your apartment is slightly haunted, right, Yeah.

499
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Weird things definitely happen in here. I noticed it with

500
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: our cats a lot. But so since we have last chat,

501
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: my grandmother, who I was very close with, has crossed

502
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: over into some realm. I don't know if she's crossed

503
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: over into her final realm or anything. But one thing

504
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: that we had recently watched the documentary Surviving Death and

505
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: on Netflix, right, yes, And like I don't you know,

506
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: a documentary can be spun any kind of direction, like

507
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: they can kind of cite it anyway. But I felt

508
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: like it was a really kind of like transparent portrayal

509
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: of what people experience. Rather than it being like trying

510
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: to persuade you. It was kind of just like, this

511
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: is what it is.

512
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: Yes, That's what I'm always trying to do too. It's

513
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: just like your stories, here's what people have to say.

514
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: You make up on your own terms, what is real

515
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: and what isn't and whatever.

516
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: So I spent a lot of the documentary. It focused

517
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: on the medium ship and you know, that is something

518
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: that I've never I've never talked to a medium. I've

519
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: never like had it an interaction bit to be honest,

520
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: I've never had anybody crossover that I was close with

521
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: until recently with my grandmother. So that's definitely something that

522
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: they always talk about the documentary. They're like, you know,

523
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: the first like eighteen months is when they're trying to

524
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: show you signs and they're trying to like show their presence.

525
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: So I've been really really kind of keeping an eye

526
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: out for things, and there have been some strange things

527
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: like I just notice that my cats will be weird,

528
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: like playing like almost like they're on their hind legs,

529
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: like at something in the corner, and then like the

530
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: lights will start blinking. But then I ask for the sign.

531
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, if it's you, like, do it again,

532
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: like I'm not afraid do it again, and then I

533
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: won't get it. So I'm like Grass being at Straws

534
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: here because I'd love to have some kind of interaction

535
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: because I'm not afraid to have that interaction, especially if

536
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: it's someone like her that I trust like with everything,

537
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: you know. So that's like been the biggest thing is

538
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm searching for a sign right now, is like how

539
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: do I kind of get this presence to kind of

540
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: make its way into my life? And like how do

541
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: I open the door for that? And So I think

542
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you're about to talk to a medium

543
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: because that's I think an adventure. I'm about to start

544
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: exploring myself.

545
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: Also, Oh, absolutely you should if that's what you're looking for.

546
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean, do you have do you have an understanding

547
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: based on you know, watching that documentary or just in

548
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: general of what you think how you think that might work,

549
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: because like sometimes, of course I don't. I don't know

550
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: how any of this stuff works, but.

551
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I I believe it. Do I believe what medium shit?

552
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: I do? I just I think I think they're just

553
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: it's like Wi Fi or something like. They have to

554
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: have a strong connection, and I think sometimes it's just

555
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: not there, but sometimes I think it can be. I've

556
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: talked to a lot of people that have been to

557
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: the Hollywood medium Tyler Henry. I've talked to people that

558
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: have been to the Long Island Medium, and they're like,

559
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: she got me, she got me good.

560
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what my grandmother lived and breathed for.

561
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: Teresa Caputo, Oh, my god, reach out to her.

562
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: If she were.

563
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Gonna come to anybody, it would be Teresa Caputo.

564
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean that has to happen.

565
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: Do you think she would answer me? Like, I don't

566
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: ours I would honestly pay whatever, Like I mean, I

567
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: do have an understanding of what the process is like.

568
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: And I also very much so understand that there's a

569
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: world where there is no connection that I can make there.

570
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: So to me, it's like kind of a fun thing

571
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: where it's like I I think that if she were

572
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: to come through for anyone, it would really be there's

573
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: a kabudo.

574
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, but you know, I wonder so like you know,

575
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: you see a little sign and then you want it

576
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: to happen again. That's when it's like, I don't know how.

577
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how that works. Like I wonder if

578
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: it's like I think some people believe it has to

579
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: do with how how much strength they have, you know,

580
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, Like, oh I can I

581
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: just pictured myself being in spirit and being like okay,

582
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: I just like move something and then you're like do

583
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: it again. You're like, oh I can't. I can only

584
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: do it?

585
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I mean, I choo. It's just like,

586
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, it is one of those things where it's

587
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: like I think you there's no scientific proof, which I

588
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: think is what so many people require to really like

589
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: delve into something. Yeah, but I mean I I am

590
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: a whimsical enough human being to where I think I

591
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: could have fun with it and not have expectations. And

592
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: if I get something great that comes out of it,

593
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: then like amazing, and like I'll cling to that forever.

594
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: But I'm also like thankfully and I like to feel

595
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: this way about every relationship in my life. Like I

596
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: say what I'm feeling and what I'm thinking when i'm

597
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: thinking it. So there's really nothing unsaid with me. And

598
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: so if I get something from somebody that's crossed over

599
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: that I really cared about, I would like to think

600
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: that there's nothing that's trying to validate our relationships. It's

601
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to say, hey, you know, And

602
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: so for me, it would just kind of be like

603
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: this like fun little little gift. I mean, I'd probably

604
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, get really upset in a

605
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: good way. Yeah, I would definitely give the reaction that

606
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: they're looking for if I got something, but I don't

607
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: have expectations, but I want I'm also just curious to.

608
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: Know, you know, totally. Yeah, I mean being open to it,

609
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: I think is probably a good thing. But again, not

610
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 2: having expectation it is probably really good. I've heard here's

611
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: one thing that I tend to believe, but my mind

612
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: is always open to other ideas. But I've heard from

613
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: a few psychics that like the difference between spirit or

614
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: I mean, this is all a matter of semantics, but

615
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: like you know, there's sometimes people pass and they pass

616
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: at peace, and they go on to wherever they go

617
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: on to next, and they have the power to then

618
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: visit at will or who knows how it works, but

619
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: they can come back, Whereas a ghost is somebody that

620
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: didn't die at peace, at peace and they're stuck and

621
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: they're like lingering around, you know.

622
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, you almost can't believe in one without

623
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: the other though.

624
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: Right right in a way, I mean, I feel that

625
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: most ghost stories that I hear, when people get down

626
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: to the bottom of why they think that that why

627
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: they think there's a ghost there, and who they think

628
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: it is, a lot of times it's somebody died tragically,

629
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: it's somebody loved this house and they can't leave it

630
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: and they don't want to see anyone remodel it, or

631
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's like some kind of not so happy thing,

632
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: Whereas I think a lot of times people just pass

633
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: and there they're at peace with it, and I think

634
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: it's a good thing that they're not lingering around.

635
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I completely agree with that, because I think that, like,

636
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I would hate to think that people that

637
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: I cared about were lingering around sometimes. I've been thinking

638
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: about the concept of COVID lately and how many people

639
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: have passed, Like, is there like an influx? Is there

640
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: like a waiting room where they're all like, you know,

641
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: backed up trying to figure out where people go right now?

642
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you about to.

643
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: Get flooded with emails from people? You know, like it's

644
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: the world is going through this kind of like mass

645
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: It's a mass death right now. So there's a lot

646
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: of people that I think are having this kind of

647
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: inner thought in are questioning, Yeah.

648
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: I mean, my grandfather died a couple months ago and

649
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: he I mean, my family like believes in this stuff,

650
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: and we feel like we've noticed a few signs, just

651
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: like a couple of things that are just sort of hey,

652
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm good, kind of a you know, a little thing.

653
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: I think at his funeral there was something happened in

654
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: the sky that was pretty incredible. I wasn't there. I

655
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: can't remember what they told me, but some kind of

656
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: rainbow sprouted or something right away or stuff like that,

657
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: and I had like a moment this movie that I'm

658
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: going to be in that's like kind of similar storyline

659
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: to him in some ways. It like finally was released,

660
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: like on the day that the day he died, like

661
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: the Deadline article came out about it, and I'm like,

662
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: and we shot this into twenty eighteen, and so I

663
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 2: was kind of like, I'm taking that as a sign.

664
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you there are definitely signs when

665
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: you look for them, even if like we're self fulfilling them,

666
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I still feel like they're there. I mean, and that

667
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: is the human experience, right, It's like, is this real

668
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: or is it me?

669
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

670
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: Or is it both?

671
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all it's all a good thing. Wait, So,

672
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: but I want to hear more about this haunted apartment

673
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: of yours because last time you told me that the

674
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: TV channel changes.

675
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Still does kind of still does kind of lately I've

676
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: been having the mystery of flickering lights that kind of

677
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: follow me from room to room, Like, for instance, the

678
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: one in my bedroom has been flickering, so I'd turn

679
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: it off and i'd walk into my living room in

680
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: one of the ones in my living room would be flickering.

681
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: So that's when I was like being followed. And I

682
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: feel like that was like, maybe this is my grandmother,

683
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: because that's been a very recent thing that's happened. Oh yeah,

684
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: and so like, and it's not like that, it's just weird.

685
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: I watch them kind of dance around the apartment like

686
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: Stranger Things style sometimes, but it's like fleeting. It's not

687
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: like an ongoing like one on a rider, like banging

688
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: on the walls with paint and like you know, Christmas light.

689
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: It's like it's like casual. I don't know, it's just

690
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: weird sometimes, you just know. And like lately I just

691
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of know the doors be slamming, like little things

692
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: like that, just odd little things enough to where I

693
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: know that this is not a place where we're alone

694
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: in it. I mean, this building has been here. It's

695
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: one of the first buildings on Franklin Avenue, which is

696
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: like a really old road in.

697
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: La No Docks yourself.

698
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not because I'm not going to you know,

699
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: be here that long. But it's just a really old building.

700
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: So it's just I know that it's definitely haunted. Like

701
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: even my next door neighbors talk about it.

702
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: Well, all of Hollywood is haunted, and specifically like Hollywood

703
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: Boulevard area, like the you know, strip area or whatever

704
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: of Hollywood Boulevard is so haunted. I was actually, I

705
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: mean I know about probably twenty haunted places down there.

706
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: But then I recently saw the TV show Ghost Adventures

707
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: went to Hollywood Toy and Costume. Do you know that place?

708
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, I feel like, yes, that's that

709
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: to me is drag Queen needs a prop and the

710
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: gig is in two hours. It's like, uh, you got

711
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: to run to go get a fake cigar or something like.

712
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: It's like they've got they've got tons of little props

713
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: and oh I need a fake mustache. We got to

714
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: run down to Hollywood Toy and Costume and that place

715
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: is like super haunted and they've caught things on camera.

716
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: You know. I think that in those places too, when

717
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: there's actual camera footage, it's really crazy to see because

718
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: it's like you do see stuff on camera?

719
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: Would you set up cameras in your place? Oh god,

720
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, because what if you do see something

721
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: and you live there.

722
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, I don't think I would be

723
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: able to stay, you know, like if I saw something

724
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: like actually moving around in here, like, no, thank you.

725
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: Isn't your closet creepy? Yes?

726
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: It sure is. I that light is on and off

727
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: at its leisure all the time in my closet, and

728
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: it's you got to pull the string to do it. Actually,

729
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: like the other night when I was sleeping, it was

730
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: like maybe two or three am. I had just gone

731
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: to bed after drinking, so you know, you wake up

732
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: and you're thirsty in the middle of the night. But

733
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: as I look up, I heard the close heard the

734
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: light click in the closet and turn on, and I

735
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: was like, not right now, bitch, No, Like wait a minute,

736
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: you handle it. Yeah, Like you know, like the string

737
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: you hear you hear the string light that in the

738
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: light goes on.

739
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, So you you have like one of

740
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: those long like a long string that somebody pulls. Yeah,

741
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: so someone not of this world pulls that thing down

742
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: and it turns on.

743
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't.

744
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: I didn't do it, Gunnar. You this is what happens

745
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: when you have the scariest dream ghost story of all

746
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: time that something like that is no longer the like,

747
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: that's like one of the scariest things I can think.

748
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: Really the way you nonchalantly, I'm like, yeah, I just

749
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: hear it turn on. That is so scary. That would

750
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: take fource. That's not like a glitch.

751
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, don't I think moving electricity also takes force. Well, yeah,

752
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: like insane things. I actually like, I don't want to

753
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: tell this is not my story, but I was kind

754
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: of just having I just went on vacation with my

755
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: best friend and so she's from the Northwest and she

756
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: has one of the scarier like ghost stories from her

757
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: mom that I had personally heard about a very famous

758
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: boat captain from the eighteen hundreds that was assassinated on

759
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: this island up there. It's like a very scariest story.

760
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: But ever since then, I've kind of been thinking because

761
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: they caught something on camera, like on a polaroid camera,

762
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, what would I capture on camera

763
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: in my apartment.

764
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: It's worth a try. Here's what you need to do.

765
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: You need to find out when Teresa Kaputo is in LA,

766
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: have her come over to your home, figure out who's

767
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: in there, and then have her also radio.

768
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: I wonder what a reading with Teresa Kapudo cost. I

769
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: really don't know, but I certainly have imagine it's cheap.

770
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: No, it's not. But she does have a podcast, and

771
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: she has people call her and she has guests on

772
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: and she could absolutely read you.

773
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I wonder how famous I have to be to get

774
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: her to let me on her podcast.

775
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: You're famous enough?

776
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know about that.

777
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: Wait. Can I read you a story somebody sent me?

778
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

779
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Okay, this one comes from Alisa, And have you seen

780
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Candy Man.

781
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I don't do wealth scary movies, so

782
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: like all kind of halfway watch them and like work,

783
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't have to like really get scared.

784
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, is this gonna scay if I tell you

785
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: a scary story?

786
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: No?

787
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay, No, okay, So Lisa writes, since the remake is

788
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 2: coming out, here's my story about how I actually had

789
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: something unexplained to happen after watching the nineteen ninety two

790
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: version as a young teen. Despite the whole Bloody Mary

791
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: thing scaring me since I was in third grade. One night,

792
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: after watching Candy Man alone as a young teen, I

793
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: decided to try it out for fun. After all, it

794
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 2: was just a stupid horror movie, unlike that Bloody Mary story. Right. Wait,

795
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: pauls Gunnard, do you know about this Like with candy Man,

796
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: you say his name five times and then he appears.

797
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like Bloody Mary. But yes, to

798
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: be in front of the mirror, yeah, yes, okay, So

799
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: on my way to bed, I stopped in front of

800
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: the mirror in set at the back of a nook

801
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: which held some lamps and plants.

802
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: I quickly reeded the words candy Man, candy Man, candy

803
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: Man as I stared at my face reflected in the

804
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: dimly lit mirror. Nothing happened, of course, and I made

805
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: my way to bed. Lying on my back in the dark,

806
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: I suddenly became very sleepy. Sounds perfectly normal, but I'd

807
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 2: had insomnia most of my life at that point, and

808
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: I never fell asleep without at least lying there for

809
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: an hour or more. It was strange, unexpected. It was

810
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: a strange, unexpected wave of sleepiness all of a sudden,

811
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: I heard a very loud thump against the one halla

812
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: wall in my room, the one connected to the bathroom,

813
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: which at the time no one was in. It sounded

814
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: like a very heavy object, like say, a very heavy

815
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: metal hook, slammed against that wall and then drug its

816
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: way down. I've lived in that house for years at

817
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: that point, and I had never heard anything like that. Also,

818
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't prone to hearing sounds that weren't actually there.

819
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: I was definitely fully awake, despite being suddenly tired, but

820
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: I wasn't in that state between sleep and awake wherein

821
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: people are likely to experience hypnogogic hallucinations. I remember thinking,

822
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: I just hope he waits till I'm asleep to kill me.

823
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: Oh God. I immediately pass out, and of course awoke

824
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: the next day, just fine. I know there'd be various

825
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: explanations to this, but from my end, I know I

826
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: didn't dream or hallucinate it. Many years later, I'd also

827
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: learned that in some cases where people experience the paranormal,

828
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: they become suddenly inexplicably sleepy and will fall asleep immediately

829
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: despite experiencing something that should scare you awake. My theory

830
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: is we'd had several paranormal and unexplained things happen in

831
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: that house, and I think it was something that was

832
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: already there deciding to mess with me. I don't believe

833
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: Candy man is real, nor Bloody Marry. I do think,

834
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: as Nietzsche said, when you stare into the abyss, the

835
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: abyss stares back at you.

836
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Mysterious.

837
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: I also think that after you see a scary movie,

838
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: you're in like a spooked out state of mind. Like

839
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: all those images, especially Candy Mane, which is very gruesome

840
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: imagery that is like now in your brain, and so

841
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: you're kind of on alert, you're kind of spook. I mean,

842
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times I've seen a

843
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: horror movie and then I tiptoe around home.

844
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: It just stain your brain.

845
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it puts you in that that mindset. But

846
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: then you know there's people that believe that like demons

847
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: or dark energies. They they're totally horny for fear. I

848
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: don't know how to put it there. There, they create

849
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: on it people's fear. They're just like looking for it

850
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: at all times. And so if somebody sees a scary

851
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: movie and now they're in a state of fear. Maybe

852
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: these energies are like that one. And so when people

853
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: are like, oh, paranormal activity, like I saw it and

854
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: then this crazy thing happened, It's like maybe I don't know.

855
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean, do we really know? I mean maybe once

856
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: it's planted in your minds is maybe there's some self

857
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: fulfilling bit of that, you know, like where you're like

858
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: so susceptible to it that you're open to receiving some

859
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of contact or push or nudge.

860
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: Well, or it could all just be in your mind

861
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: or the demons want you to they're doing like reverse

862
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: psychology where they're like, oh, this person's gonna think that

863
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: this is all in their mind, because why would something

864
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: like this happen. That's too good to be true. This

865
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: is when I'll prey on them.

866
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: If there's a little counsel of demons waiting for a

867
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: good moment to pray on me, I'm gonna be real upset.

868
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: Well, you got the crystals, believe in the crystals I've got.

869
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Listen, I'll do a little circle of them around me.

870
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm open to if y'all want me to feature your

871
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: crystals in my videos and protect me. I'm open to

872
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: that too.

873
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: There you go. Well, see, there is something called I

874
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: think it's called ct top tromancy, which is something that's

875
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: been around for forever, which is people looking into mirrors

876
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: or crystal balls and uh, looking into the future or

877
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: getting messages from the other side. Did you ever do

878
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: bloody Mary?

879
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: We did? Actually, my next door neighbor is When I

880
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: was a kid, their grandmother's house was super freaky, like

881
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: their grandfather had died in the house and so like

882
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: things would move around the doors and things would be open.

883
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: Like I was really young when we would go over there,

884
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: but they were really into doing bloody Mary in the house.

885
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: So we did that a lot, and I was always

886
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: like nervous diarrhea in the corner of praying.

887
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: True, did anything happen?

888
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: You know, Like not that I really remember, but I

889
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: just remember being so afraid while we were doing it,

890
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: and thinking this is really wrong. I can't believe I'm

891
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: letting them talk me into this again. Hey, I'm a

892
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: very afraid child.

893
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well same, I still am. Connor. Do you want

894
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: to hear some ghost voices?

895
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do.

896
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev Please do you

897
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: remember what an EVP is I do. I do, Yeah,

898
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 2: electronic voice phenomenal. So I go to YouTube. I find

899
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: people that believe they've captured ghost voices, and I'm gonna

900
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: play it for you and they'll give you some options.

901
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: So tell me what you hear. This first one is

902
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: from Claire Mark Chords or Cordez. I'm not sure how

903
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: you say it, but it's at a place that I

904
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: know you've been, Waverly Hills Sanatorium southwestern Louisville. That is

905
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: one of the classic haunted locations of the world. What

906
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: is this ghost saying? Jills?

907
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: Because I wasn't ready for it.

908
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: There is a lot of background noise, but there's like

909
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: a whispery voice in there. You're paid again, I don't know.

910
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: It always sounds like stranger.

911
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: Okay, here's some options. Is it a That one is sweet?

912
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: You know?

913
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: Is it I'm trying to sleep some cranky ghost. That's like,

914
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: get out of hair with your ghost ending equipment?

915
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Is it?

916
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: See someone better sweep you clean up this mess? This

917
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: might be a haunted abandoned sanatorium, but at least keep

918
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: it tiny.

919
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 1: People want it to be number two so bad?

920
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: Or is it just like nothing at all? It's just

921
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: somebody walking and shuffling their feet.

922
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a voice in there.

923
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 2: Okay, let me play it again.

924
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: God, you know what I want to say.

925
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: It's number C number see number C. So someone better sweep,

926
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: someone better sweep. Okay, let me play it again. They

927
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: believe it says that one is sweet ew. I don't

928
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: like that we played again now that we know that

929
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: I can kind of hear it. I definitely hear it.

930
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: I definitely hear like a sleep at the end. Okay,

931
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: here's one more. This one is from SPIRIT, which stands

932
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: for Sydney Paranormal Incident Research Investigation Team.

933
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: Get a girl, we love an anagram.

934
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm assuming that that's Sydney, Australia. It doesn't really

935
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: say where it is besides that it's a private house.

936
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: Now a little warning. There's like a beeping in this

937
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: little SoundBite. It's probably some kind of paranormal equipment that's

938
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: making a beeping sound. But there's also a voice. Okay,

939
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 2: here we go. Did he hear it? Me play it again?

940
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: What are the options?

941
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: Okay? Is it a for YouTube? They're like, I'm gonna

942
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: give you a ghost voice for YouTube? Is it b

943
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: I feel it too, is it C beauty or D

944
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 2: big booty? All right, let me play it again. Okay.

945
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: At first I thought it was saying I'm wet, and

946
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: now I think it sounds like mint. So what are

947
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: the options again? Like, play it again and listen to

948
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: don't hear the word mint.

949
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm here. Well, I know what it is, so all

950
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: I can hear is what it is. Okay, Well what

951
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: is it?

952
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: What is it? Beauty?

953
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: Let me play again?

954
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: Play it again? I don't know. I think they're ordering

955
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: mint ice cream from beyond from beyond mint please?

956
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's what I got.

957
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: Is the ghost is at the dentist asking which flavor

958
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: of toothpaste mint?

959
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: Mint?

960
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Please?

961
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: I hear booty. Okay, Well, gunner, I guess that's uh,

962
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: that's it for this time.

963
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Well, I hope I gave you everything you wanted more.

964
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that you go to a psychic and

965
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: you know it sounds like you want to go to

966
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: a psych medium. Yeah I do, and let me know

967
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: how that goes. Yeah, we'll have a little recap, please. Well,

968
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: can you tell everyone where to find you and all

969
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: that stuff?

970
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: Yes? So I'm on YouTube and TikTok and Instagram, and

971
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: it's just my name, Gunner g u n n R.

972
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: My last name is death Ridge. It's spelled like death

973
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: e rage h.

974
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

975
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: And I'm just making dresses and fun content and just

976
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: condensing it down into sixty second bite sized portions so

977
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: you can enjoy it.

978
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: I love it well, Gunner, Thank.

979
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: You, Angish, thank you so much for having me back

980
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: for your little spooky hour.

981
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: Thank you Gunner death Ridge. And if you want to

982
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: hear a little bit more good at patreon dot com,

983
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: slash rosdres Fales and you can hear me talking to

984
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: Gunner on my second tier Patreon where we uh talk

985
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 2: about various paranormal phenomenas like past lives, mothman, haunted dolls,

986
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. And you can watch a

987
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: video of me talking about crystals there. Hey you guys subscribed.

988
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: It's almost October, Halloween time, baby. Make sure you tell

989
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: your friends about the show and rate it five stars

990
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: wherever you can. If you got a ghost story, right

991
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: in a five star review on Apple podcast or just

992
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 2: write something nice about me. Also join the Facebook group

993
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 2: called Ghosted by Roz dres Fales. It's a great place

994
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: to leave a story, talk to some people that also

995
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: believe in this stuff. He could share some spooky memes.

996
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a good time. And I'm on

997
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: Instagram at Roz Hernandez cameo Roz DRez Falas. You know

998
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: all the things, all the places, all the stuff, you

999
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: know all of it. If you haven't seen Gunner's TikTok,

1000
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible. I mean, the things that Gunner can

1001
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: do with some fabric absolutely insane. It's mesmerizing the way

1002
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: that he edits it and just his work in general.

1003
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: Can't speak more highly of Gunner. So I'm so grateful

1004
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: for him to be on this show this week, and

1005
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 2: go back and listen to the first time he was on,

1006
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: because it'll keep you up at night. All Right. I

1007
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: love you all, both living and dead. But if I

1008
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Came back.

1009
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Speaker 1: A podcast network