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Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to meat Eater Trivia.

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Speaker 2: Meat Eater Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to meat Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain

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Speaker 3: Time on September the twelfth, and we're live from Meat

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Speaker 3: Eater Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Brent Reeves

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Speaker 3: and joined today by our colleagues Seth Morris, senior photographer

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Speaker 3: and Max Parter Videographer. On today's show, we'll talk to

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Speaker 3: Jake and Riley Debo about trapping and cooking beavers. Then

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Speaker 3: we'll have a segment where we put on blindfolds and

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Speaker 3: try to guess what kind of wild game Max has

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Speaker 3: brought us, followed by one minute fishing at an undisclosed

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Speaker 3: location with our colleague Corey Hawkins. And if that ain't enough,

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Speaker 3: then we'll have a hot tip off where and after

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Speaker 3: that we'll get a tour of doctor Phil Loretzki's Evolutionary

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Speaker 3: Genetics Laboratory in Texas. And finally we'll pitch indefensible hunting

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Speaker 3: fishing laws that seemed like a good idea but probably aren't. Boys.

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Speaker 3: Guess where I was last weekend?

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Speaker 4: Well, judging off of your Instagram content, I could take

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Speaker 4: a wild guess something to do with squirrels.

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Speaker 3: Man. Let me tell you. It was in Springdale, Arkansas,

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Speaker 3: the World Championship Squirrel cookoff Reeva Hanson and I went

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Speaker 3: down there. My wife Alexis and daughter Bailey came up

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Speaker 3: along with about three thousand of our closest friends.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 5: How long has this been going on?

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Speaker 3: I think it spent There was some There was some

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Speaker 3: time during the COVID dilemma that you know that it

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Speaker 3: everything shout they shut it down. But it's been going

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Speaker 3: on for several years now and I can't like ten years,

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Speaker 3: and I may be they may not even be close,

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Speaker 3: but it's been going on long enough that now it's

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Speaker 3: more like a family reunion than anything else. And it

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Speaker 3: just keeps getting bigger every year.

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Speaker 4: That's Fun's what's your favorite thing about that event?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Walk us through like a day. Is it a weekend

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Speaker 5: or just one one day?

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Speaker 3: It's on Saturday, and I don't know if they got

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Speaker 3: the date set for next year, but it's one day.

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Speaker 3: It starts at nine in the morning. Teams get there

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Speaker 3: at like eight thirty. They have a meeting, and then

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Speaker 3: they commenced to cooking at nine and the public is

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Speaker 3: welcome at nine o'clock and it goes to five and

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Speaker 3: it is just all you can eat squirrel and anything

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Speaker 3: else you can imagine during that period that time period,

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Speaker 3: and it's just there's kids running around.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty nuts.

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Speaker 3: Huh oh, it's wild. It's yeah, it's acre nuts.

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Speaker 4: How do they get all those squirrels? Just people donating

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Speaker 4: them or.

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Speaker 3: A lot of folks bring their own with it. There's

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Speaker 3: a long list of very regulated criteria of what the

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Speaker 3: squirrels have to be, the condition they have to be in,

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Speaker 3: all inspected. Everything is good to go. But now they

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Speaker 3: will supplast squirrels of folks that don't have them. There

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Speaker 3: was a team last year from Alaska, Alaska.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, they're not bringing squirrels.

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Speaker 3: They're not bringing squirrels. So they bunch of a bunch

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Speaker 3: of squirrel hunters killed a bunch of squirrels and they

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Speaker 3: have them there for the squirrel skinning contest and cool

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Speaker 3: all that. So they let them have it.

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Speaker 4: Man, that sounds like a blast. They gotta make it

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Speaker 4: down there one of these years. How many people.

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Speaker 5: Is there total? And how many people are like traveling

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Speaker 5: from different states?

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Speaker 3: Uh, there was folks there a couple of years ago

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Speaker 3: from I think New Zealand maybe.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, I didn't know this is such a big

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Speaker 5: thing in England.

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Speaker 3: I talked to people from all over the US, Man, Oregon, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just point in any direction you want

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Speaker 3: to point from Arkansas and there was folks there from it.

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Speaker 3: That's cool, all having a good time.

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Speaker 5: Are you going to compete next year? No about Clay.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was going to compete in the squirrel

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Speaker 3: skinning contest this year and he was He bragged all

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Speaker 3: year long. He said, you know, I can take it

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Speaker 3: I forgot my clippers. I want to tell you Clifton

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Speaker 3: Jackson is the guy that has won it for the

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Speaker 3: I think since God was in junior high school. Clifton

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Speaker 3: has been taking the trophy every year. And he had

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Speaker 3: some good competition this year, but he smashed it pretty well.

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Speaker 4: I think Clay Newcomb should practice all year. Yeah and

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Speaker 4: get in there and whoop some button next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, put his skin squirrel where his mouth is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, Come on, Clay.

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Speaker 3: All right, now onto our first guess joining us on

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Speaker 3: the line first are Jake and Riley Debo from New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: They are founders of New England Naturals, or company that

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Speaker 3: sells a variety of beaver based products. Jake and Riley

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: How's it going, guys?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is awesome. Give Jake Riley, y'all give us

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Speaker 3: a rundown of what's going on and what you guys

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Speaker 3: are doing as far as trapping beavers and how y'all

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Speaker 7: Sure, well, right now, it's all prep work, so you know,

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Speaker 7: it takes a lot to lead up to get towards

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Speaker 7: trapping season. So we're dipping and dying traps and making

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Speaker 7: sure everything's tuned up. But come October fifteen, our beaver

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Speaker 7: trapping season opens up, and so from then on we

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Speaker 7: do take a break duringto your hunting season to dedicate

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Speaker 7: our time there, but we'll be chasing beaver's open water

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Speaker 7: in through the ice. Of course, we're using the fur

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Speaker 7: from them, but we're also harshing a lot of meat.

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Speaker 7: So beaver meat makes up about fifty percent of our

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Speaker 7: annual meat consumption and that's I don't know why if

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Speaker 7: we trap more for fur or food. It's kind of

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Speaker 7: hard to parse that out.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes, how'd you get? How'd you get? Where did this

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Speaker 3: come from? Do y'all come have a background and eating

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say that we have a background in I

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Speaker 7: mean I grew up hunting right so venison your white

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Speaker 7: tailed deer kind of classic.

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Speaker 3: Table fare.

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Speaker 7: As far as beaver, we got into trapping kind of

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Speaker 7: together when we first got married, and we.

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Speaker 8: Didn't want to waste the meat, and we tried it

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Speaker 8: one night in a stir fry, and that just changed

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Speaker 8: our entire perception on this meat. And since then we've

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Speaker 8: been just trying new recipes, trying new cuts, and just

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Speaker 8: getting more and more people comfortable with eating beaver meat.

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Speaker 8: Jokes aside, it's a great, great resource.

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Speaker 5: If you could compare beaver meat to a different kind

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Speaker 5: of meat, what would you compare it to?

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Speaker 8: You usually say beef, like a really rich like beef,

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Speaker 8: But I compare it to lamb a lot because it's

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Speaker 8: really really rich in color. It's a very dark colored meat,

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Speaker 8: and it doesn't have a distinctive taste.

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Speaker 1: I don't think maybe maybe.

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Speaker 8: Closer to beef, but I think when you're looking at it,

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Speaker 8: it looks a lot like a lamb.

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Speaker 4: What's your guys go to with the beaver meat? Like,

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Speaker 4: what are you doing with it?

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Speaker 3: Steaks?

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Speaker 7: Man steaks are our beaver steaks are something that we

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Speaker 7: don't share. I mean those are those are in the

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Speaker 7: freezer and those are just for us year round. But

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Speaker 7: beaver legs we make a variety different croc pot dishes

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Speaker 7: out of, or we used to make beaver grind.

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Speaker 6: We actually have some.

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Speaker 7: We're going to a family event this weekend where you know,

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Speaker 7: we need to bring a dish and so our go

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Speaker 7: to the barbecue pulled beaver and the timing of this

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Speaker 7: just happened to be that we've got some here that

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Speaker 7: we can show you guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love to I love to see.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's see it on on the in the first

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Speaker 7: on the skin and table.

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Speaker 5: I can smell it from you what beaver meat.

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Speaker 7: Looks like, and it's really it's you wouldn't be able

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Speaker 7: to tell the difference between a pulled brisket. I'm gon

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Speaker 7: serve this on some Hawaiian buns with a little bit

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Speaker 7: of cheese and meet some cool slof you have it

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Speaker 7: and it's Uh, it's.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's fantastic. A few years ago, Steve and I

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Speaker 4: made a bunch of Italian sausage out of beaver and

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Speaker 4: it was fantastic. And yeah, I just need to start

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Speaker 4: exploring more with some beaver meat.

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Speaker 3: I think about all the years of my brother and

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Speaker 3: I've been trapping beavers and all the groceries that we

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Speaker 3: wasted just by getting the beavers out and selling the hides.

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Speaker 3: That is, because you can tell them look at by

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Speaker 3: looking at me that I like to eat.

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Speaker 5: Going back to trapping, what's the largest beaver you guys

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Speaker 5: have ever ever trapped it?

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Speaker 9: Last year?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Connor personal best last year was sixty points six

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Speaker 7: pounds and it was a big female.

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Speaker 6: So we've been flirting.

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Speaker 7: We've had quite a few in that fifty eight fifty nine,

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Speaker 7: but we just couldn't break the sixty pounds.

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Speaker 6: We finally did this last year.

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Speaker 4: That's cool you guys. I've been watching on on Instagram

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Speaker 4: and you guys have that tail wall, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's actually right.

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Speaker 4: You give us a little sneak peak of that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is where so essentially any beaver that's over

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Speaker 7: fifty pounds makes it on the wall.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 7: We'd like to, you know, show it off because you

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Speaker 7: can see all these nicks and different kayo fleshing board

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Speaker 7: out of the way, all the different you know, wounds

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Speaker 7: on these beavers and different sizes, and that the story

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Speaker 7: of each beaver.

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Speaker 3: So what we're looking at for the folks that they

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Speaker 3: can't see, they're not watching, they can't see the video

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Speaker 3: is Jake and Riley have made an outline of the

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Speaker 3: of the big beaver tails that they've called what what

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Speaker 3: what's the requirement to get traced onto the wall?

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Speaker 6: Jake, It's got to be over fifty pounds.

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Speaker 3: Over fifty pounds and there's a there's like a whole

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Speaker 3: wall right there. That's awesome.

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Speaker 8: Is gonna make a nice print for like a shirt

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Speaker 8: to have a bunch of beaver tails on it?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cal hunter.

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Speaker 5: Spencer, I'm kind of a rookie to trapping. But is

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Speaker 5: there is there a limit on beavers in the trappings?

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Speaker 6: Not in this area.

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Speaker 7: There regulated by the length of the season, and that

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Speaker 7: season is really long, but the majority of the season

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Speaker 7: there's ice and so it's hard to catch beavers and

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Speaker 7: so kind of buy conditions and length of seasons how

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Speaker 7: the fishal wildlife agencies you know, monitor that.

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Speaker 6: But we've gotten extremely robust beaver population.

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Speaker 5: That's great.

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Speaker 6: I'd say we're.

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Speaker 7: Kind of saturated as far as habitat goes, and so

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Speaker 7: they start popping up in roadside ditches and stuff like that.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, so there's there's no limit and there's also

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Speaker 7: no shortage of them.

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Speaker 3: Very cool.

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Speaker 5: I remember last last winter was my first time ever

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Speaker 5: experiencing it with Seth and Steven. I just thought it

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Speaker 5: was so cool. The bubble lines underneath the ice.

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Speaker 4: Yep, learn how to read the sign.

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Speaker 8: And we're also prepping our bait. We're using the beaver

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Speaker 5: Interesting, is it a factor fiction? Do you use beaver

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Speaker 4: Cool any no coyotes at all or anything or fox.

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Speaker 3: Hey tell me that you you caught ninety beavers last year?

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Speaker 5: That's cool, y'all.

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Speaker 3: They're using everything on the beaver except the chewing that

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Speaker 5: One one Valentine's Uh one year on Valentine's Day, I

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Speaker 4: I bet you like that.

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Speaker 3: Yellow making those there in house there, it's your pluf.

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Speaker 7: Start to finish from catching the beaver to shipping out

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Speaker 8: And this all started because when we first started trapping

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's outstanding and they absolutely have of one of

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Speaker 9: Yeah. On on that note, guys, this is this is

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Speaker 7: Start join your local Trappers Association in your state, and

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Speaker 3: Very good advice, very good advice. All right, where can

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Speaker 7: You can find us that New England Naturals on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube,

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Jake and Raley, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: For thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, we are on to the next segment, and

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Speaker 3: it's called Mystery Meat.

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Speaker 4: Don't know what is this meat?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 10: Is it?

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Speaker 1: What time?

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Speaker 11: What is this meat?

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Speaker 4: Fantastic?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, Mac, we we haven't done this before. So, uh,

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Speaker 3: One of these. This is a demonstrating I'm going to

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Speaker 4: This is fantastic.

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Speaker 5: There is a picture of the meat on the cutting board.

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Speaker 5: And what I did I did a little trimming.

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Speaker 3: Armadillo.

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Speaker 5: No, yeah, I did a little trimming, just cleaned it

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Speaker 4: Someone from down the Bayou.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, then I just threw it on the grill,

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Speaker 4: And is this something that you got yourself? Max?

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I should answer that.

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Speaker 9: all right, Brent, what do you think the mystery meat is?

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Speaker 3: I think I think the mystery meat is Canada goose.

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Speaker 9: Okay, Seth, what do you think mystery meat is san

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Speaker 9: Saint says crane crane. It's a lot of geese and crane.

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Speaker 9: Those are the popular answer. Hunter Spencer says, speckle belly.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's diver ducks. I'm not getting a

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, yes, I took my mask off, you did.

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Speaker 5: Seth's going to keep his mask on the whole time.

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Speaker 9: No, if you give me, if you if you give

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Speaker 9: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: It's really good?

447
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 5: Oh, it is Sandhill crane. Seth has had it before.

448
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 3: I was out just out of town here the other

449
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 3: day and went out to look at some milk and

450
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 3: saw some out there, and every you know, everybody always

451
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Speaker 3: describes them as being the rabbie in the sky. That is.

452
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Speaker 3: I would have never guessed that.

453
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Speaker 5: Have you had it before?

454
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 3: No, that's it.

455
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 5: That's the first time you can have the rest of that.

456
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 3: Taking it home. That is man, that's good.

457
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 4: It was.

458
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: I was always you know, I always think something's over

459
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: exaggerated for years and years and years. I mean all

460
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 3: the time I was in a guiding business. Folks that

461
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: would hunt with me would say, man, you gotta go

462
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Speaker 3: out and shoot the sand hill cranes Rebbie in the sky.

463
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Speaker 3: And I thought, after all these years, I'm going to

464
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: eventually eat it and go That tastes like spam, which

465
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: is also good.

466
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 5: No, I mean they're great to eat and they're super

467
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 5: fun to hunt to. Last September, I drew a tag

468
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 5: for out here and I ended up shooting a couple

469
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 5: and yeah, it was a great time. Like watching decoys

470
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Speaker 5: is so cool too. They're such a big animal.

471
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Speaker 3: Now, will they come to goose decoys or you've got

472
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Speaker 3: to have specific decoys.

473
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Speaker 5: Just growing up in North Kota, I never really hunted them,

474
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Speaker 5: but they would come into the goose decoys just as

475
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 5: long as like they're feeding in that field. But last

476
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Speaker 5: fall I hunted them over sand hill decoys.

477
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Speaker 12: Yeah.

478
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a lot bigger than I thought they were

479
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 3: seeing them.

480
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Speaker 4: Oh, they're huge.

481
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Speaker 3: Yeah yards.

482
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Speaker 4: You know, I've multiple times been like, oh, there's a

483
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: deer over there and like pull up your ocatars, like, no,

484
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 4: that's not deer.

485
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Speaker 3: And they also like retrievers. They'll put safety goggles on

486
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Speaker 3: own retrievers.

487
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So last fall when I hunted, I made sure

488
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Speaker 5: they're dead and just ached and then I sent my

489
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Speaker 5: dog after him because I didn't have goggles.

490
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Speaker 9: So yeah, Brent, we have a very direct message from

491
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Speaker 9: an Alexis Reeves saying you're not allowed to bring anything

492
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Speaker 9: else home.

493
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Speaker 3: We're running out of room.

494
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Speaker 5: It's funny.

495
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Speaker 3: Oh that's good.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was fantastic.

497
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Speaker 3: Good.

498
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Speaker 5: I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now I got another reason to come back. We're

500
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Speaker 3: moving on to the next segment, One minute Fishing.

501
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Speaker 13: Do I feel lucky?

502
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Speaker 3: We'll do.

503
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Speaker 11: You go ahead.

504
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Speaker 8: Make my cast.

505
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Speaker 3: All right. Our next segment is one minute Fishing. It's

506
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Speaker 3: one minute fishing is where we go live to someone

507
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Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,

508
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Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars

509
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Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is

510
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Speaker 3: colleague Corey Hawkins, who's the content coordinator here at meat Eater.

511
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Speaker 3: If you saw the Buffer Zone episode on it was

512
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: last season's Mediater show, you would have watched him on

513
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: the screen. You're looking good right right now. I wish

514
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: somebody else read this because I want to know the

515
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: body that right now he's on an undisclosed river in

516
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 3: Montana and he's fishing for a donation to back country

517
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: hunters and anglers. Corey, are you there?

518
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 11: Hello?

519
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: You look taller.

520
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Speaker 11: Because my feet as the water.

521
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: There you go, all right, man? You looks like you

522
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: got some good weather. Is this on a scale of

523
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 3: one to ten? Is this where are we at on

524
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Speaker 3: fishing weather? Ten being the best?

525
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Speaker 14: You know, it's been super hot now as of the

526
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 14: last twenty four hours of strops twenty degrees uh so

527
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 14: not ideal, but this heavy.

528
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Speaker 11: Overcast could be really good.

529
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 14: I fished my way down here with a little white

530
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 14: streamer and wrecked them. But you know what they say,

531
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Speaker 14: went in doubt, nymph them out, So I got a

532
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 14: little bobber going.

533
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 5: Now, what's on the end of the bobber?

534
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 10: I got a couple of little nymphs, got a little

535
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 10: frenchy tungsten bead. Heead mainly to help my little size

536
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 10: twenty pheasant tail get down and deep right where I

537
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Speaker 10: need it.

538
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Speaker 3: Well, Corey is he's an experience fly fishing and hunting

539
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: guy too, So really, if you doesn't catch a fish here,

540
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: it's nobody's fault. But Corey's this.

541
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Speaker 4: That's true story. Corey, what's your scale?

542
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Speaker 5: One to ten?

543
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Speaker 11: You know I'd probably give it a nine. Okay, I

544
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 11: like that, So go big or go home?

545
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 3: Right? All right? We ready with the clock.

546
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I've got I've got a I've got some music

547
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 9: that is exactly one minute long. It's fairly epic. So Corey,

548
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 9: you're gonna have to live up to this orchestration here.

549
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 9: But when the song is over, that's your one minute

550
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 9: and we'll see how it goes.

551
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 11: You ready, I'm ready?

552
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 5: All right, let's see it. Okay, I that's a false cast.

553
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 5: Oh he's going okay, in there, tight tight loops.

554
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: He's got it in the water, seeing it out set

555
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: the hook.

556
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 11: I'm hoping you guys can see every move.

557
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we got you.

558
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: He's casting again and cast is out. He's got it

559
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: right in this scene. Oh, I'm waiting in the back stream.

560
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: But the stripping another cast, another cast, gotta be getting close.

561
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Speaker 3: Come on, Corey, come.

562
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Speaker 5: On, Frenchy. That was a hook set?

563
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: Come on?

564
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 11: Yeah? What do I got all the time?

565
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Speaker 12: Boy?

566
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Speaker 9: Just gotta wait those songs.

567
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Speaker 11: You're right for three? Two?

568
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: One?

569
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Speaker 3: Okay, awesome? I tay to do. That was a that

570
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: was given it the old college drive. It ever was one?

571
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: Did you catch one?

572
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: No?

573
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: Well thanks Corey, Uh, drop me a pin before you

574
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: leave there in your top secret place. It was. That

575
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: was a good effort, my man. So yeah, did you

576
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: have a pretty good strike?

577
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 15: I did?

578
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, Bobara went down. Had to have been a fish

579
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 11: set the hook and he wasn't there.

580
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 4: Who knows.

581
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Speaker 14: I'm fishing barblous size twenty nymphs, so it's easy to

582
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 14: hook them.

583
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: It wasn't one of those rock fish, was it.

584
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Speaker 11: I don't think so. Man. If it was, he was

585
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 11: a big one.

586
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Speaker 3: Hey.

587
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Speaker 5: You know what they say, hook sets are free, that's right?

588
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 11: Yeah all day.

589
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I fished last year with Corey on the Yellowstone

590
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: and me and Chili, and he knows what he's doing,

591
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: so it ain't it Just it ain't that easy. It's

592
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: a lot of you get one minute, you know.

593
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Speaker 5: You're literally on the clock.

594
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, literally for sure, thank you, brother, I'll get back

595
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 3: to work.

596
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, you got it, guys, I'll see it you don't catch.

597
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: Some more fish?

598
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: Ah phail, Yes, sir, we got any listener feedback that

599
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: we can we do?

600
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Speaker 9: Yeah, let's take a take a few here. Here's one

601
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Speaker 9: from Mogor. I think I'm not sure how I pronounce

602
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 9: his name, but he says he'd love to see the

603
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 9: whole crew after a no shave November. I don't know. Yeah,

604
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 9: me too, Max, I just kind of wanted to, like, Seth,

605
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 9: you've had the mustache for as long as I've known you.

606
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 9: Have you ever gone like full go tee any sort

607
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 9: of beard beard action?

608
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: I mean I have in the past, but uh man,

609
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: I haven't. The longest longest I let it go is

610
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Speaker 4: when I spend two weeks in Alaska every summer and

611
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: I don't shave that all the time. But yeah, other

612
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: than that, Yeah.

613
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Speaker 9: Max, this is kind of a this is an incredibly

614
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Speaker 9: open question, but you can kind of tackle all you want.

615
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 9: But Jacob's wondering what your main strategy hunting ducks in

616
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Speaker 9: southwest Montana is.

617
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Speaker 5: My main strategy is scout, scout, scout, even before the

618
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Speaker 5: hunt start. That's where all my preparation goes into. And

619
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Speaker 5: I typically don't like hunting if there's not going to

620
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Speaker 5: be any birds there.

621
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Speaker 3: Ye, so, but that can go over It can change

622
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Speaker 3: overnight too, Yeah for sure.

623
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I scout my butt off, and I think

624
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 5: my wife will say the same thing. I spend more

625
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Speaker 5: time scouting than I do hunting.

626
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Speaker 3: So oh yeah, and watching the whaler.

627
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 5: Yeah in the weather some too, ye so but yeah,

628
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 5: scout find some open water. That's that's what I have

629
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Speaker 5: to offer.

630
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Speaker 9: So sounds good. Spencer chimed in when we were talking

631
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 9: to Jake and Riley and said they are so cool.

632
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 9: I agree, Oh no, diagree as well. Those two seemed awesome.

633
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 9: And on that note, this is more for Seth since

634
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 9: since they had to we had to get Jake and

635
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 9: Riley had to had to run. But how does one

636
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 9: get started in in trapping? We have a plethora of

637
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 9: beavers in the creek we irrigate out of, and the

638
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 9: old man asked me to manage that. That's a question

639
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 9: from Brett.

640
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Speaker 4: Well, nowadays you can kind of go to any sporting

641
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: goods store or pick up a couple of traps. First off,

642
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: check your regulations in your state. See what's legal. Different

643
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: states have different regulations for what you can use, what

644
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 4: you can't use. Jall size that that kind of stuff.

645
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, just go pick up some traps. There's a

646
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Speaker 4: lot of resources online these days, especially Jake and Riley.

647
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Speaker 4: They have a good Instagram channel where U Instagram page

648
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: where and YouTube and stuff where you can learn a

649
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: lot about trapping. But yeah, if you don't have a

650
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: mentor go online. Try to find as much information about

651
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: as you can and that'll kind of get you pointed

652
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Speaker 4: in the right direction.

653
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Speaker 3: You YouTube university, right, Yeah, Jake always has a premium

654
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Speaker 3: choice and headwear. Anytime I see him.

655
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Speaker 4: On there, you know.

656
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Speaker 5: He's wearing it today too.

657
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

658
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Speaker 9: All right, yeah, I think it's that's good for Q

659
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Speaker 9: and A. Right now, if you guys have anything else

660
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Speaker 9: at the end of the show, please go ahead and

661
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Speaker 9: ask or comment in the chat.

662
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Speaker 3: All right, Next hot tipoff, Hot tip off time. We've

663
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Speaker 3: got too hot tip offs today. Now, after we play

664
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Speaker 3: them both, we're going away in about what we liked

665
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Speaker 3: and who had the hotter tip. Then we're going to

666
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Speaker 3: declare a winner and vote on which one we think

667
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Speaker 3: is better. Phil hit us with that first tip man.

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Speaker 15: All right, for my hot tip this week, we're gonna

669
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Speaker 15: talk about a rear rest. A lot of folks take

670
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Speaker 15: a tripod in the woods with them, but they just

671
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 15: use it for glass. And so how many times have

672
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 15: you come up over the ridge and there's an elk

673
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 15: out there and you want you found like a tree

674
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 15: limb to set your rifle on, or in some cases

675
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 15: you're hunt an egg. There's a fence post, just something

676
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 15: to get the front of your rifle on, but you

677
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 15: still feel wobbly. If you're gonna have a tripod with

678
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 15: you anyways, you might as well use it as a

679
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 15: rear rest.

680
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 11: So what we did.

681
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Speaker 15: Here, this is just like any tree. This is just

682
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 15: imagine this is a tree limb coming out. You throw

683
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 15: your bag down or puffy or whatever, you set your

684
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Speaker 15: gun on it. What you're gonna do is you're gonna

685
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 15: take your tripod. You've already got it with you, you already

686
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 15: glassed up and elk with it. You're gonna bring it

687
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 15: in here parallel with the target. The front two legs.

688
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 15: Your right arm is coming in in the tripod here

689
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 15: just like this, coming around to my grip. And then

690
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 15: I'm gonna take my other hand and come in here.

691
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 15: This is a little lighter caliber, right, this is just

692
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 15: a six to five creed More, but it works really

693
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 15: well with bigger calibers. So I think this one's shooting

694
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 15: like right around twenty nine hundred feet per second with

695
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 15: our new Sigammo. We came out with them. So you

696
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 15: get in behind the gun, left hand here, right hand

697
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 15: on target, and this should be as rock solid as prone.

698
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 15: You should just frankly, there should be no wabble in

699
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 15: the crosshairs. Roll the bolt. This target is right at

700
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Speaker 15: about four hundred yards. Wait for the ding.

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Speaker 4: Call that the long range cowboy Garrett.

702
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's our colleague Garrett Long who's the last president

703
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: of content here. Immediately that you in the background. That

704
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: was some handsome stranger. Exactly who that guy was, but boy,

705
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: he looked really smart.

706
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Speaker 5: I like that tip. I could have used that last fall.

707
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he showed that to me out there last

708
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: year when we were out there doing some shooting. I

709
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: had never done that before. But they ain't kidding. It's

710
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: rock solid.

711
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: What's the next one?

712
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: Phil?

713
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 9: The next one is from Hey, it's from Corey Calkins.

714
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 9: If we just saw failing to catch a fish in

715
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Speaker 9: one minute.

716
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: But he's this is how to catch a fish in

717
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: one minute?

718
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 5: How to catch a fish?

719
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 4: Here?

720
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Speaker 9: Here we are, here's Corey.

721
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 16: I'm Corey Caulkins, and I got a hot tip for you.

722
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 16: I'm out here scouting for elk just before Montana's archery opener.

723
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 16: Also trying to get the kinks out. Make sure I'm

724
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 16: dialed with my gear. And just realize my wind checker

725
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 16: bottle is totally out. Must have poured it out or

726
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 16: something last year. So instead of going back to town

727
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 16: to buy another ten dollars plastic tube of windicator, I'm

728
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 16: just gonna refill this. I always have some gold on

729
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 16: or some powder with me, so I'm just gonna use this.

730
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 16: Pour it onto a piece of paper, piece of cardboard, whatever.

731
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 3: You got some regulations, catalog.

732
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 16: It's gonna get a little messy. Ideally you'd have your

733
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 16: boots underneath here catching your extras.

734
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: That's a little tip right there.

735
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: Two hot tips works great.

736
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 16: Oh a checker like midday boots are soggy from sweat perspiration.

737
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 16: You're a crossing creeks.

738
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: Pour a little bit of this onto your footbed. Hot tip.

739
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: Is there nothing that guy can't do?

740
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: It for real, all right, Max, I think I'm going

741
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 5: with Cory step all right, because.

742
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: Don't tell me yet. Don't tell me why yet, Seth.

743
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: Man, it's a tough one. I'm gonna go with Garretts.

744
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: Though, Okay, you're the I think I'm gonna go with Corey's.

745
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: Tell me why why? You think?

746
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: So before you even get a shot, you got to

747
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 5: make sure your wins right, right, So that's step one.

748
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 5: So that's where I'm at.

749
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I like Garrett's number one. I just love shooting rifles,

750
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 4: and I just think a lot of people take some

751
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: sketchy shots leaning off a fence posts and whatnot every year,

752
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: especially like during antelope seasons kind of when I when

753
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: I see it the most. And you know, if they

754
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: just did this little little simple thing here, they would

755
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: have a solid rest and they would either hit their

756
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: animal not wounded, or they won't miss.

757
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: So right, Okay, I'm they're both really good tips.

758
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, then they applied. But the Corey's had

759
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: an extra had an extra little caveat that you could

760
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: use it not only with hunting, but taking care of

761
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: your feet. Yeah, you know, because like they say in

762
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 3: the Army, you take care of your feet, your feet,

763
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: and take care of.

764
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: You multiple uses big out there in the back country.

765
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you're not toting a lot of

766
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: a lot of different stuff. But like Garret when I

767
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: were out there talking the other day, you know, if

768
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: you're if you're rifle hunting, you're probably glassing from something.

769
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: You're probably going to have a tripod out there. So

770
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: if you can't, if you don't have a tripod with you,

771
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: get a stick, get something, you know, and try to

772
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: and try to do it as well as you can.

773
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: Try to do what he was doing there. But I've

774
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 3: done it and it is it's rock solid for sure.

775
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 9: We have a Scotty has a question in regard to

776
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 9: Corey's hot tip, asking if if flower or fish batter

777
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 9: would work, as they always have fish batter in the

778
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 9: camp kitchen.

779
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: Mmmm, it might get a little uh flowers, depending on humidity,

780
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: it might get a little kiky in there.

781
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 9: Yeah. We've got Ray saying that he uses corn.

782
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: Starch corn stars.

783
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 5: That's a good tip too.

784
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's why the gold bonds.

785
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 5: A lot of people saying Corey on there, Corey, Corey.

786
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 9: Okay, so really quick, we've got to I'm gonna we're

787
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 9: gonna try something right here. I don't know how it's

788
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 9: gonna work out, but we have a surprise call in

789
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 9: one sick.

790
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: This is live.

791
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 9: Have some.

792
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep eating this crane here.

793
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah you should since I was, Since you already

794
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: gave it to me, you should just keep eating.

795
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: It over there, Mac, that's a tender one.

796
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 3: How BIG's a breast on them? Saniel Crane Canada?

797
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 5: Goose bigger depends, I feel like, I mean, obviously anything

798
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 5: there's adults in juveniles, So like, juveniles are probably pretty

799
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: close to your hand, I would say, and then your

800
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: adults can be just slightly bigger than a goose press ruby.

801
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: Having any trouble retrieving them back, I mean for so long.

802
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 5: They're super long, and like, I mean just they're just

803
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 5: a big creature.

804
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, hopefully through the modern technology we'll be able

805
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: to pull this.

806
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

807
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: You can read everything from morse code to smoke signals.

808
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 5: There's another uh hot tip from a listener. Uh if

809
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 5: you want deer hunting access in a country, trap beaver.

810
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good Yeah, it's a good way

811
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: to get on ranches, Yeah, especially here or.

812
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 5: Just put your foot in the door.

813
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of livestock, you know, livestock growers

814
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 4: and stuff out here.

815
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

816
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: I have troubles with and.

817
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 5: I've done that before Kyote hunting too, before I asked

818
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 5: permission for waterfall. It's is like, oh, Kyle, it's here

819
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: for a year or two.

820
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: Hello, So all right, Korean's got somebody?

821
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Hold on? Now's it?

822
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 11: Hold on?

823
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 6: Can I how do I put into a microphone?

824
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 4: Well, if you just want to hold up to the mic,

825
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: that's what I want.

826
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 9: I wanted some more, some professionalism in this at this

827
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 9: media company. But that's okay.

828
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: It's nothing but the best.

829
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 5: All right, all right, you're on Hello?

830
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: What's up?

831
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

832
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 5: Who is this?

833
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: Who's who's on the phone?

834
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: This is uh Steve.

835
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: Never heard of?

836
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: Why are you talking so quiet?

837
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 11: Because we're on the We're on our calling now, dude.

838
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: Steve, how's it going so far?

839
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: And we lost him?

840
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: I take it all right?

841
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: We should tell what Steve's doing right now? Steve stays

842
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: out hunting.

843
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: We lost him? Yeah, he's he's up in uh Interior,

844
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 4: Alaska on a ridge right now.

845
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 3: Colin moose Awsome. Now that's is I assume the same

846
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 3: places where he and Clay have been hunting. Yep, same area,

847
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: would assume same area.

848
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: It's a different different spot from where Clay got his,

849
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: but not far.

850
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: Okay, And it's I mean, it's about as remote as

851
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: you get, and it's it's way back don.

852
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, get there by plane, they drop you off.

853
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: It was kind of amazing that we were able to

854
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: get that much out of it.

855
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, that little television.

856
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird.

857
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: You're way in there, but you get a little bit

858
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: of a te and t service.

859
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 9: Yeah. Well we might get them back in we'll see.

860
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 9: But until then, we have a we have another guest

861
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 9: coming in Brent, Okay.

862
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: Joining us on the line next is doctor Phil Loretzki,

863
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: a biologist, geneticist, and a duck DNA researcher with the

864
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: University of Texas at El Passo. He was on episode

865
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: four nine Our Wild Ducks, Really Wild of the Mediater

866
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 3: podcast with Steve. Professor Phil Welcome to the show.

867
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: Hey, how are you.

868
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh, we're good man. Tell us about what you got

869
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: going on at the duck DNA lab.

870
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here we are in uh in the lab

871
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: right here.

872
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 13: I'm gonna switch over the the camera here if I can,

873
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 13: I guess I can.

874
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: So we're right here.

875
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 13: We're gonna kind of showcase to everybody that of what

876
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 13: we do here. If you're a participant of duck DNA,

877
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 13: if you're part of the federal or other agencies that

878
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 13: we work with, this is simply the process that we

879
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 13: go by, uh to figure out.

880
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: What is it in your unknown meat?

881
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 13: I guess so if you're a duck DNA participant, you

882
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 13: might have noticed the same thing right here. Your stuff

883
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 13: comes in, we take it over over here where Uh.

884
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: Let me stop you there? How are you getting the

885
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: duck DNA. Is this a program that you guys are sponsoring.

886
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right, that's right. So we're in our second year.

887
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 13: I was gonna talk about it a little bit, but yeah, participant.

888
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 13: We are taking participants right now. It's a program with

889
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Speaker 13: Ducks Unlimited called duck DNA. You can sign up super

890
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 13: easy on duck dna dot com.

891
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: You can go on it right there.

892
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 13: You just click on a button apply right now. We've

893
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 13: got seven hundred of these kits this year to go out.

894
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 13: It's sort of like a Western Big Game draw. Depending

895
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 13: on how many people apply. You know, those are your

896
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 13: chances probably better than drawing for an elk somewhere.

897
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you this, Let me ask

898
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: you this. Why does this matter? Why does duck DNA matter?

899
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, we're not trying to solve crimes here, tell

900
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: me what?

901
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 13: No, yeah, what we're what we're trying to solve and

902
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 13: understand our wildlife at the molecular level, sort of the

903
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 13: foundation right understanding what are we working with. Do we

904
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 13: have a lack of genetic diversity on this mountain with

905
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 13: all these sheep versus this mountain? Do we need to

906
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 13: move individuals? How is it occurring for the ducks. What

907
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 13: we're trying to figure out is, you know, why are

908
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 13: certain species moving in areas, What is occurring on the landscape? Why,

909
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 13: you know, if you're interested in hybrids, where could you

910
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 13: go to find a hybrid? And part of that is

911
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 13: really starting to track at the national level, what's happening

912
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 13: to our mallard populations. If you went and listened to

913
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 13: that podcast or any other ones I've been on, you know,

914
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 13: we're starting to build this story where game farm mallards,

915
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 13: which are a domestic type sort of like your dog

916
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 13: versus a wolf, are being released and they're interbreeding with

917
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 13: our wild populations. This is interbreeding is actually causing our

918
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 13: populations potentially to decline because we now know that they

919
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 13: have an effect.

920
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: Go ahead, let me tell you. Let me interject something

921
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: right here. Twenty years ago, I was duck hunting in

922
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: the green timber of Arkansas and I killed a banded

923
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 3: mallard duck with a green leg band from duck farm

924
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: in Maryland. Oh really, yeah, wow, I've still got that

925
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: band on my lanyard. But I smell what you're stepping in.

926
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: Do keep talking?

927
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 13: Well, that that individual going all the way to Arkansas

928
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 13: is potentially the problem, because those are the individuals that

929
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 13: are that are what we're showcasing, making babies that are

930
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 13: not as fit as a wild wild parent, and those

931
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 13: proportions are increasing in the Great Lakes region, northeastern area

932
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 13: of the Atlantic Flyway. In fact, we're starting to see

933
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 13: that trickle into the prairie potholes and into the Pacific

934
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 13: Flyway for whatever reason. So we're trying to get the

935
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 13: hunters out there to be those citizen signs so we

936
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 13: can monitor this at the national level across the hunting seasons.

937
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: So Doc, this is gonna be the second year. Correct

938
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 5: this fin that's that's right.

939
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 13: Okay, we are just about to pick our well, we

940
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 13: just picked our first cohort. We got seven hundred kids.

941
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 13: I think we picked one hundred and fifty just now.

942
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 13: Another one hundred and a couple of weeks and we're

943
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 13: gonna go from north to southcast hunting seasons start, you know,

944
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 13: earlier in the north and then they later in the South.

945
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 5: For sure. What'd you guys learn from last year, like

946
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: anything cool or anything that stuck out?

947
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 13: Yeah, So a few of the things that we immediately

948
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 13: learned is that the prevalence of Mallard game farm hybrids

949
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 13: out there is increasing across the flyways, especially Atlantic and

950
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 13: the Mississippi in particular, but it is very specific to areas.

951
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: That you are.

952
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 13: So, for example, in Montana, where you guys are very

953
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 13: low prevalence, and if I did find a hybrid, it

954
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 13: was already way back crossed into it was mostly wild, right,

955
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 13: just a little bit of that game farm in them.

956
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 13: So we're trying to understand that dynamic across them. The

957
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 13: other thing that we immediately learned, though not a ton

958
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 13: of hybrids yet, is the Brewers duck. We actually found

959
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 13: where the gad brewers duck. If you don't know, is

960
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 13: that mallard? Yeah, pairing, And we always thought it'd be

961
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 13: a male mallard with a female gadwele, and we're able

962
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 13: to figure out that parentage and we found it both ways,

963
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 13: where it was a male gadwall with a female mallard

964
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 13: and vice versa with a male mallard with a female gadwell.

965
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: So now we know it actually happens both ways.

966
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 13: And now we're trying to figure out how often do

967
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 13: those hot hybrids, those first year hybrids can they make,

968
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 13: you know? And how how prevalent is that and whether

969
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 13: it's always with a wild mallard or do game far

970
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 13: mallards now have a consequence to these other species as

971
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 13: well well?

972
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 5: In the drake Gadwell's defense, a female mallard and a

973
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 5: female gadwall do Look.

974
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: How.

975
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: Did this start? What prompted this study and this investigation

976
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: if you will?

977
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, So what prompted this was the findings that my

978
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 13: lab were starting to come out. Back in twenty nineteen

979
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 13: we started publishing on the game far mallard problem.

980
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: We first were looking at it as a mallard black duck.

981
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 13: And then we understood that this was really a problem

982
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 13: for a wild mallard popular and you know, just having

983
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 13: a good conversation with folks and Duck's unlimited Mike braid

984
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 13: doctor Mike Brazier specifically, we sort of started to put

985
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 13: together this brainchild of asking the question, would hunters be

986
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 13: interested in being that hunter scientist conservationists out there to

987
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 13: be able to start, you know, tracking this and other

988
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 13: other aspects of our wildlife, migratory behaviors and others. Would

989
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 13: they be interested in in participating? And so far it's

990
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 13: been overwhelmingly yes, which I'm super excited and happy about.

991
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 3: Very cool.

992
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

993
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: I know I participated in this. Okay, studied last year

994
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 5: and first tell us what you do to participate?

995
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Oh?

996
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 5: I signed up?

997
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: But what uh?

998
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 5: What the study is is you harvest a duck, a mallard,

999
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 5: and then you cut a sample, like a quarter inch

1000
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 5: sample off their tongue, put in a little test tube,

1001
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 5: send it over to these guys down in Texas, and

1002
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 5: then they'll do all the DNA research and then after

1003
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 5: the fact, a couple of weeks later, they'll send you

1004
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: a certificate of what your duck is that you sent in.

1005
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: As far as the species and the percentage of.

1006
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 5: Just yeah, the percentage of wild versus game farm or

1007
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 5: if it's a hybrid, if it's like a black duck

1008
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 5: or a Mexican mallard or something like that.

1009
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: So and you get that all that stuff is through

1010
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: that kit that doctor Fiel's talking to about. Yep.

1011
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 5: So last year a cool thing was my buddy shot

1012
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 5: a bandoned mallard. So we found out where it was from,

1013
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,959
Speaker 5: how old it was. But then I cut a little

1014
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 5: piece off and really dug into its background and figured

1015
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 5: out where this mallard came from. And he ended up

1016
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 5: being like seventy five percent wild mallard and then the

1017
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 5: other twenty five percent black ducks.

1018
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 3: So and you killed that here in Montana he did, Yeah,

1019
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: okay killed.

1020
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 5: So it is cool, Doctor Field.

1021
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 3: Can you show us around the lab there where where

1022
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: you're doing your work and we're going to try to

1023
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: describe it. We've got to describe it to the folks

1024
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: or if you will, what you're showing us, because there's

1025
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: some folks will be listening to this that that can't

1026
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 3: see the video.

1027
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: That's right.

1028
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 9: And we did a little video test before the show

1029
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 9: today and the video was was crystal clear. It's a

1030
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 9: little clogged right now, it's a little fuzzy, but we

1031
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 9: can still you sound great, and we still get a

1032
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 9: general vibe of the lab fill. So if you just

1033
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 9: want to watch it around, that'd be great.

1034
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1035
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 13: Sure, No, again, you know that little kit that Max

1036
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 13: was talking about, it'd be something like this.

1037
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: It comes with some biles, instructions and so forth.

1038
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 13: We've updated that, so those folks that will be lucky

1039
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 13: enough to participate, we'll get the updated version of that soon.

1040
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, your samples or any other the samples

1041
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: that we're working on.

1042
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 13: Again, we work on waterfowl, but we do whatever the state, federal,

1043
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 13: or private individuals need work done, whether it's on other birds,

1044
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 13: bear whales. We've done just about all of that work.

1045
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 13: And so over here your samples would cut I'm in

1046
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 13: and the first thing we would do we would extract

1047
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 13: the DNA.

1048
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Good. Yeah. Hi, my name is Daniel Wilson. I'm a

1049
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: NSF technician working here at Doctor and Rescue's LAMB. So

1050
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: here I'm doing the first step of DNA extractions, where

1051
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: you separate the DNA from the matter. And this is

1052
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: like the most critical step to assessing any living organism stances. Yeah,

1053
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: and that, and then what we do is we walk

1054
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: over here.

1055
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 13: We're gonna put it on what's known as a gael

1056
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 13: to see did we get any good duck DNA.

1057
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: So hey, y'all, I'm Laura McFarlane. I'm a PHU student

1058
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: in Lovetski Lab. And here we're gonna be illuminating a

1059
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: gel to see if the DNA shows up and it's

1060
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: good for sequencing or not.

1061
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: Lawrence from Baton Rouge. They have a terrible football team.

1062
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 13: Oh, it's hard to see, but if you if you

1063
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 13: look in there, we're looking for these nice little bands

1064
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 13: telling us yes, there.

1065
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: Is good DNA or no, there is not interesting. And

1066
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: now what's gonna happen.

1067
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 13: Is that we'll move that DNA over anything good, uh,

1068
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 13: to our PCR station over here.

1069
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 12: Hi, my name is Kim. I'm an NSF technician also

1070
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 12: working in the rescue lab. Right now, I'm at the

1071
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 12: PCR station where we amplify the DNA so that we

1072
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 12: can properly sequence and analyze its ancestry.

1073
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 3: I thought this was cool.

1074
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 13: Yeah, and then if the way we amplify them, we're

1075
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 13: gonna use those little bad boys right there that they're

1076
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 13: called thermocyclers. They essentially take care of temperature gradients in

1077
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 13: a specific way where we can amplify that DNA Basically,

1078
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 13: you know, who's your daddy kind of thing.

1079
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: Uh uh, same exact thing, same exact process.

1080
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 13: And then in the end we're gonna put them into

1081
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 13: long term storage in these minus eighties. So all the

1082
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 13: dut DNA participants, all your DNA is there for future

1083
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 13: generations to work on. I know you guys talks to

1084
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 13: Colossal and Revive and restore folks about biobak. This is

1085
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 13: essentially bio baking the genetic diversity of our waterfowl populations, right,

1086
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 13: so for future use if something terrible happens, we're gonna

1087
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 13: have the genetic diversity of redheads and canvas back and bluing,

1088
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 13: teal cinnamon, teal mallards, gad well everything. So in case

1089
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 13: we got a bioengineer or something, we're gonna have it.

1090
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 13: So again, your samples are not only important today but

1091
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 13: into the future.

1092
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. And then one last.

1093
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: One, last station we're gonna is where we actually analyze

1094
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: your ancestry, and here's where we clean our DNA sequences.

1095
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: So then afterwards we can analyze it and to what

1096
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: we got. So yeah, the old A G C T

1097
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: craziness over there and there.

1098
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: It is confusing that.

1099
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 13: That's what happens in U, that that's that's what happens

1100
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 13: to your DNA. So we once we figure all that out,

1101
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 13: you get a certificate like Max set saying congratulations, you

1102
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 13: harvested a whatever.

1103
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: So cool. Can you give me, off the top of

1104
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: your head the most unique discovery that you all have

1105
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 3: made in the lab associated with DNA?

1106
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: Oh, the most unique? I mean I would say one hybrid?

1107
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Speaker 13: Yeah, so we all know that Mallard's can agree with

1108
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 13: just about everything. We did pick up actually a couple now,

1109
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 13: Mallard wood duck. We also picked up Mallard musca v

1110
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 13: out of Florida. Really, those things are so genetically different.

1111
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 13: I didn't expect them to make any babies. Now the

1112
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 13: question is is that baby a mule or is it Bible?

1113
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 13: You know who knows, but we know that that does happen.

1114
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: Now.

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00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 13: The other cool thing is that we now actually have

1116
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 13: some Brewer duck females.

1117
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1118
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 13: The hardest thing for all of us is to identify

1119
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 13: hybrid females because they look the same, right. So the

1120
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 13: whole question is, oh, are all hybrid's males because females

1121
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Speaker 13: are are not vible or not. Now we know for

1122
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 13: sure they're they're out there and so and now we

1123
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 13: have techniques to actually be able to figure that out.

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Speaker 3: So cool that is. That's awesome, that's crazy good. Anything

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: else for doctor Field, Doctor Field? Anything you want to

1126
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: cover in thirty seconds?

1127
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: That U thirty seconds?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I just want to say, go tigers.

1129
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 13: Unless you anyways no, uh yeah, No. What I wanted

1130
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 13: to cover is I hope folks can get online really quickly.

1131
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: Get on duck dna dot com.

1132
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 13: Put your names in there so we can see, you know,

1133
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 13: participation keep going up. Make sure that this uh, this

1134
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 13: program goes on, uh you know, into the future.

1135
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: Folks have the ability to participate.

1136
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 13: We know, we had some folks come in and say, hey,

1137
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 13: my kid wouldn't go out hunting unless you could, you know,

1138
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 13: he she uh could put their duck into duck DNA.

1139
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: So we know this is a great recruitment tool.

1140
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 13: It doesn't have to be some you know, cool ducker

1141
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 13: and it could just be your first duck.

1142
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: Which is awesome.

1143
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 13: Yeah, I just send us in, send us whatever you

1144
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 13: want and we'll do we'll make it happen to.

1145
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 9: The Oh no, that's okay, we're right at the end.

1146
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 5: There's back, he's back.

1147
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 11: I'm back.

1148
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 4: Hey, video it looks better too.

1149
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm in and out. Also, if you're ever interested in

1150
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: learning about Waterfoley College, you management, we have an online

1151
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: course that we're gonna be teaching.

1152
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 13: You can look at through UTEB that I'll be teaching

1153
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 13: that you can get a certificate or.

1154
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Credit or anything like that. So please look that up.

1155
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 13: But otherwise, yeah, keep participating, and thank you for all

1156
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 13: the hunters that have and will participate. So thank you guys.

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Speaker 5: Thanks doctor Phil, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think our Phil put some links in the

1160
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 5: comments section, and I know you can find out more

1161
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: information on Ducks and Limited. There a big partner in this,

1162
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 5: so run over to their website and yeah, so apply

1163
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 5: and like I said, this is a super cool project

1164
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 5: to work on.

1165
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Speaker 3: All the folks there in the lab. Thank you all

1166
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 3: very much.

1167
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: Who thanks guys, Thanks guys, thank you see y'all.

1168
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Speaker 3: All right, we're on to our next segment, which is

1169
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: the enddefensible law. What key were you in? Give me

1170
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: an R? All right, this is the indefensible law is

1171
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: where we pitch hunting and fishing laws that are indefensible.

1172
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: So we'll try to convince each other why it's a

1173
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: good idea. Anyway, I'll go first.

1174
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Speaker 4: Let's here.

1175
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: I got to thinking about it yesterday. I am not

1176
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna get some hate for this, but

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00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 3: muscle loaders season, you got muscle loaders and then you

1178
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 3: got in line mussele loading rifle. Now, to me, that's

1179
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 3: not a mussle loader. A mussleloader I looked in the dictionary.

1180
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 3: Musselel loader is something that you load from the same

1181
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: end that the bullet comes out of. So my idea

1182
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: would be that if it's a if you have a

1183
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 3: mussleloader season, you should be shooting a mussle loader and

1184
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: inline rifles don't count.

1185
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 5: Changed my mind, Max, I don't know much about it,

1186
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 5: So you're gonna talk to Seth about that.

1187
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: I grew up in a state where flint Lock Hunton

1188
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 4: was king, so I'm there with you.

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00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: And that's a primitive weapon. Primitive now in Arkansas this year,

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Speaker 3: in Arkansas this year they included straight walled cartridges in

1191
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: the mussloter season, and I thought, well, that's not a mussleloader.

1192
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: So what they did was it changed the name to

1193
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: alternative weapon. Which that's that's exactly what it is, an

1194
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: alternative weapon. That But as far as muzzleloaders go, and

1195
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Speaker 3: my brain as small as it is, I picture a

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00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: mussle loader as you pour the powder, the wadden and

1197
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: then the bullet and then you either fire a flint

1198
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: to ignite the powder or you put a primer cap

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Speaker 3: in there one of these. That's that's that's my indefensible

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: law right there.

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: There you go.

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: That's a good one, yeah, Maxie.

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00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: Oh so mine is going to be geared towards hunters

1204
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 5: that use dogs. So before hunting season, obviously you buy

1205
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 5: a license, right, my law is going to be I

1206
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 5: wanted to create a license option so you can buy

1207
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 5: a license for your dog. So you go on the field,

1208
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 5: whether you're up on hunting, duck hunting, square hunting, for you,

1209
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 5: you get a limit.

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00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: Right.

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00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 5: But with that, with that second license, your dog also

1212
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: gets all the hard work.

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00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: Now, in Arkansas years ago, if you had a hunting dog,

1214
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: he had to have a hunting license. Oh so you

1215
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: should have a limit to that. That that's going away.

1216
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Speaker 3: But my dad would be right here with you right now,

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00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: because he was running like ten or fifteen water dogs

1218
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: at a time, you know, chasing coats, and he had

1219
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: to have an individual license for each one, so I

1220
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: can't get expensive. Yeah, but I see what you mean.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they're doing all the hard work, So why

1222
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: not read the roard a little bit?

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Speaker 4: So what do you think, Seth, Well, I think there's

1224
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 4: gonna be a lot of people in the comments arguing.

1225
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: With populationamely a bunch of game warders.

1226
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do like the license for the dog idea. Yeah,

1227
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 4: Riley says that.

1228
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 9: What does he say, dog? That's not what I want

1229
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 9: to depress with the god with having a license, I

1230
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 9: feel like people would take advantage of that with like

1231
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 9: ten dogs.

1232
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking this up so you could take some puppies

1233
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: out there dead ducks.

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00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe maybe we shouldn't do that. Well, it was

1235
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 5: good thought.

1236
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: That's that is defensible there.

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 4: Mine is. Well. A couple was about a month ago.

1238
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: I was out fishing and came back to the boat

1239
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 4: ramp to pull my boat out of the water and

1240
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 4: head home, and some guy back down the ramp was

1241
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 4: taking his time slowly got his boat trailer and then

1242
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 4: it's a it's a one lane boat ramp. He decided

1243
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 4: to pull his boat up and stop about halfway up

1244
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 4: and continue to put all his rods away and put

1245
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 4: his make sure his boat was covered. And it should

1246
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 4: be illegal to block a dang boat ramp. A boat

1247
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 4: ramp is there to back down, put your boat in

1248
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 4: or back down.

1249
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: Pull your boat out. Yeah, do it quick.

1250
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: And there was there's about ten people behind me waiting.

1251
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 3: Oh and this guy is watching now.

1252
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, he's taking his time.

1253
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 4: He just didn't care.

1254
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he knows that y'all are there, and he's

1255
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: just doing his own.

1256
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, just doing his own thing. So you should get

1257
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 4: a ticket. You should get fined if you're blocking a

1258
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 4: boat ramp.

1259
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 5: And other fishermen should be able to write those tickets.

1260
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: There you go, Yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't argue

1261
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 3: with that. That just goes back to you can't legislate manners,

1262
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: and you ought to be able to, you know you did.

1263
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: You got to look out for everybody else. We're all

1264
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: in this thing together. And I'm sorry I didn't see.

1265
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 3: I really wasn't paying attention. So I'll try to be

1266
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: faster next time. I thought it looked like, yeah we should.

1267
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: Uh did anybody come in with hot tips or or

1268
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: indefensible laws in the comments section field.

1269
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 9: I'm not getting any sort of original ones, just some

1270
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,479
Speaker 9: some uh West Slope Outdoors says I'm with Seth.

1271
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there we go. Yeah. Yeah.

1272
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 9: Then we've got Michael Hutchison saying that Pennsylvania people shouldn't

1273
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 9: complain about bad drivers.

1274
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just fine. It's New Jersey. That's ralph on drivers.

1275
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you're right funny.

1276
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: All right, what about any other listener feedback?

1277
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: Let's see here, what do we got?

1278
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 9: Uh? Kuran, we've got more demand for the Werner Bratzler.

1279
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 9: Where's a meat cutting test? They brought in mystery meat?

1280
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 9: Why not test it?

1281
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 4: That's that's a tender one. It would have scored.

1282
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 9: Well yeah, yeah, that would would have been nice. Let's

1283
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 9: see Brian's asking if Max has ever shot a legitimate triple.

1284
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a funny story. Yeah, one time I shot

1285
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 5: a triple and I told all my hunting buddies. I

1286
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, that was a legitimate triple And there's

1287
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 5: just kind of a funny backstory and kind of had

1288
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 5: had to be their moment.

1289
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, one believed you. No one believed me.

1290
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 9: Huh, yeah, we've We've got nick in here with which

1291
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 9: I don't think this is that indefensible Sunday hunting in Pa.

1292
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 4: Oh, that should absolutely be a thing. It's crazy that

1293
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: it's not.

1294
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about opportunity and and folks have limited opportunities.

1295
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: And that's I mean, that's an extra day right there

1296
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 3: that you can get someone who doesn't normally get to

1297
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: go hunting or kids to get them in there. Yep,

1298
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 3: so that's yeah.

1299
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 9: West Slope also says that inlines should be allowed during

1300
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 9: a rifle season only.

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: I can't argue. I can't. I'm with you, brother, yep. Yeah, anyway,

1302
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 3: all right, good deal.

1303
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1304
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 9: I think that was a good show, guys.

1305
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: A lot of fun, learned a lot of stuff that

1306
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: dunk DNA thing and see Jake and Riley up in

1307
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: New England. This good stuff, all right. Next week's Meat

1308
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 3: Eater Radio, Giannis, Spencer and Randa will be discussing Project

1309
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: Grizzly for the Meat Eater Movie Club. If you want

1310
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 3: to join in on their discussion, you can watch that

1311
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 3: documentary on YouTube for free. That's it for Live Today,

1312
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: Thank y'all. So much for joining.

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Speaker 4: I'll be here later, folks.