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Speaker 1: Missed in History Class from how Stuff Works dot com. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy B. Wilson and

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly from and we are continuing and doing some

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Speaker 1: so we're updating some of our previous episodes to keep

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Speaker 1: often a need to update things. Uh. Not so with

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Speaker 1: the Voyage Manuscript, which has had multiple needs for updates

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Speaker 1: so the Voyage Manuscript. If you missed out on that episode,

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Speaker 1: it's a two forty page book full of illustrations and

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Speaker 1: a seemingly indecipherable text. Lots and lots of people wrote

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Speaker 1: to us after that episode originally came out, reminding us

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Speaker 1: of the x K c D comic that implies that

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Speaker 1: had just forgotten that too, So Yeah, however, there have

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Speaker 1: We got many, many many emails and tweets and Facebook

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