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Speaker 1: Hey, you found it the home of the Second Date Update.

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Speaker 1: It is Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here.

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Speaker 2: On the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I love all the comments we've been

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Speaker 1: getting from all over the world, and I think this

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Speaker 1: one really sums up what these second dates are. Nicolie

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Speaker 1: Hubert in Brazil wrote, the call just gets worse and worse.

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Speaker 2: Oh It's true, it does.

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Speaker 3: It's like a guilty pleasure listening though.

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Speaker 1: We love when you subscribe even more, so please do it.

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Speaker 1: And hey, just sit back and enjoy the Second Date Update.

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Speaker 1: It starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Brooke and Jeffrey in the Morning. Second Date Updates.

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Speaker 4: Everybody has a different romantic strategy when they're out and

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Speaker 4: they see somebody.

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Speaker 5: They're attracted to. Oh yeah, okay, like jose will name.

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Speaker 4: Drop himself before breaking down the diet and migration patterns

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Speaker 4: of Pacific.

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Speaker 5: Soft Shell claims.

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Speaker 6: Ah, because not the worst part, but I know a

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Speaker 6: lot about fish.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Weet, we got Jeffrey, Why did you do that?

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Speaker 4: Alexis will shake her empty white clockhand in your direction,

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Speaker 4: hoping you'll buy her a new one.

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Speaker 5: Do you like?

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Speaker 2: I haven't today?

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Speaker 5: And Brooke.

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Speaker 4: Well, she's married. I am not interested whatsoever. Wink win,

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Speaker 4: And she is definitely not going to leave her hotel

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Speaker 4: room unlocked, Room three oh seven.

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Speaker 5: Wink, wink wink. Why is even the doorstop open?

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Speaker 4: So again, guys, don't d m us Brook is not available.

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Speaker 5: Who is available is actually one of our listeners, Josie.

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Speaker 4: And apparently she has a different strategy when it comes

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Speaker 4: to meeting a guy.

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Speaker 5: Josie. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thank you so much for having me. Are you

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Speaker 3: right now Josie winking? No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Secret codes only leads to trouble.

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Speaker 4: Brook would know. So tell us about the guy. Apparently

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Speaker 4: you met someone when you were out recently.

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Speaker 5: Who is it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So his name is Benjamin and I actually believe

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Speaker 3: it or not met him on the train.

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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, like a long trip train or just like

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Speaker 1: in town subway situation.

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Speaker 3: In town subway situation because that's how I get to

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Speaker 5: All right, Oh god, got it?

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Speaker 4: So did you pull the Brook move of leaving the

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Speaker 4: hotel room card like a dot on the chair?

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Speaker 2: She's going to work, get out?

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Speaker 5: You said, he said that you have a strategy.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering what it is, yes, so not quite that.

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Speaker 3: But here's what I have learned.

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Speaker 7: All.

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Speaker 3: I've noticed that the way that I can gauge if

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Speaker 3: someone's like attracted to me is if I get as

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Speaker 3: close as possible to them without actually interacting with them.

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Speaker 1: I'm really hoping that the train that you're on is crowded, woman,

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Speaker 4: There's like forty empty seats and you're standing right next

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Speaker 3: I think I'm subtle enough. I hope I'm subtle. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. We'll find out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how does that work?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I've been on the train with him a

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Speaker 1: So you've noticed him before. Interesting, okay, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So the first time I decided to use my strategy,

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Speaker 3: I got close to him enough but not enough where

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Speaker 3: he and I can make eye contacts, right, and ignored him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and ignore him in the now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and why don't you say anything?

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Speaker 4: Desperate people open their mouths and actually speak like hi. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: you got to let the target come to you, Okay, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I feel it's all about the visibility.

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Speaker 2: How many rides until you got close?

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Speaker 3: So okay, the second rides got a little bit closer,

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Speaker 3: than the third ride. I sat right next to him, charm.

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Speaker 4: It's like those cat videos where they like, pay away

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Speaker 5: Bit closer, a little bit closer on his back.

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Speaker 7: And then.

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Speaker 2: Were you sitting at his lap by this time?

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Speaker 3: Not quite, but I'm sitting right next to him.

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Speaker 5: Did he notice you?

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Speaker 3: Then he noticed my jacket?

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Speaker 2: How do you know?

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Speaker 3: He complimented me on my jacket? He said, Hey, nice jacket.

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Speaker 3: I like that jacket.

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Speaker 5: Oh what do you say?

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Speaker 3: I said, thank you? And continue to.

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Speaker 2: Ignore it, and continue to anore, ignore him, ignore him. Wait,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna think you don't like him, like that was

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Speaker 3: You have headphones on?

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Speaker 2: Are You're just sitting there in silence, facing forward?

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Speaker 3: At this point I knew that there was trist So

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Speaker 3: then when I saw him the next time, he asked

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 2: Whoaay? So he had spoken one sentence to you prior.

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Speaker 3: Well, then he said a little bit like okay, it's

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Speaker 5: Little small okay.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is going to help people in real life.

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Speaker 4: This is how you meet people in the real world.

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Speaker 5: Now you keep playing hard to get like, what happens next?

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Speaker 5: At this point? Do you give in?

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Speaker 3: At this point, I just prefaced by letting him know

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, you don't.

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Speaker 4: Want to know that you've been slowly like stalking him,

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Speaker 4: getting closer and closer to him on.

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Speaker 1: The train, and that your heart's about to explode because

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Speaker 1: it got you crush it on finally asked you out.

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Speaker 2: Cool, right, okay, so did you go after work?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: So we met at the train station and yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was a it was a quick fifteen minute situation.

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Speaker 5: Why so quick probably because the train was coming.

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Speaker 3: So I noticed that like he is kind of I

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Speaker 2: It seems, Oh, why do you say that?

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Speaker 3: Because he was he seem a little uncomfortable, you know,

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Well maybe that was confusing for him in

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Speaker 4: being cold then before. But I'm assuming that you guys

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Speaker 4: exchange numbers after that and have stayed in touch.

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Speaker 5: So what's the latest.

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Speaker 3: So we did exchange numbers, but now whenever I see him,

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Speaker 3: he's acting strange. He's acting like it never happened.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh interesting, and you're okay with the inexperienced part.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like I kind.

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Speaker 3: Of thought it was cute, you know, like she just

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Speaker 3: doesn't look like he's been on a ton of dates,

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Speaker 3: which you know is absolutely a good thing, because like

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Speaker 3: a lot of the guys on the app seem like

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Speaker 3: May's been on three a day.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he was just really really nervous on that first

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Speaker 4: much as you were. Yeah, so maybe he's been waiting

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Speaker 4: We're just gonna jump in and do it for him, though.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna call him and try and get you your

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Speaker 4: second date update right after this.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it, right hold on. Brooke and Jeffrey in the

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Speaker 3: morning second date update.

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Speaker 4: They say sometimes silence speaks louder than words. Yeah, never

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Speaker 4: understood that, but yeah, Josie, it's not just a quote.

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Speaker 4: That's her entire seduction strategy. You get physically close to

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Speaker 4: a guy and then just completely ignore him until he

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Speaker 4: why whenever I try to ignore Brooke at work.

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Speaker 5: She just wants to talk to.

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Speaker 4: Me more and more and more, flagging me down, asking

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Speaker 4: me all sorts of questions.

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Speaker 5: To talk to you.

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Speaker 1: I only said, how is your weekend?

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Speaker 4: Wow? All up in my business all over again. And

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Speaker 4: that's how one of our listeners, Josie, met a guy

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Speaker 4: named Benjamin on the train not too long ago. Over

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Speaker 4: the course of several trips, she got closer and closer

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Speaker 4: and closer to him till she was basically in his

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Speaker 4: And I can feel Brooks staring at me this entire time,

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Speaker 4: wanting to say something.

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Speaker 5: What is it, Brooke, what do you want?

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Speaker 2: I'm just listening to what I'm not twisted. Okay, talk

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Speaker 2: so much. Just get to the point.

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Speaker 5: Okay, my point has been made that he's not calling

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the bad point.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Now what would you like to say?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. How are you feeling, Josie? No, obviously

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Speaker 5: Good. She doesn't want to talk to if she wants

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Speaker 1: I want to know, like, is she nervous or does

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Speaker 1: she think? Like they only spent fifteen minutes together. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what can go so wrong in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 5: Don't downplay her amazing date broke, that's really rude.

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Speaker 2: I'm just done with you. You can talk call.

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Speaker 3: The guy, Yes, call the guy. Call the guy.

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Speaker 4: Well, I like to, you know, have meaningful conversations and

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Speaker 4: dive into people's feelings. All right, No, we'll just get

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Speaker 4: right to business and called Benjamin.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna dial his number. We'll see if he answers.

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Speaker 5: Here we go. Hello, Hey, is this Benjamin.

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Speaker 7: As this?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 5: This is a not just one person, a whole radio show, the.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 8: Uh, good morning.

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Speaker 7: What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Well, we're doing something called a second date update because

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Speaker 4: one of our listeners has been trying to get a

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Speaker 4: hold of you and apparently she wants to see you

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Speaker 4: again on a real date.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't know the right way to say this.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, like they only went You only went

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Speaker 1: to coffee for fifteen minutes with her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't sure if you would consider this a

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Speaker 4: date or not. There's a girl from the train named Josie.

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Speaker 7: Oh you said it's a date. Did I know go

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Speaker 7: from the train named Josie?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well I didn't want to label it a date.

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Speaker 4: But apparently you guys have hung out, seen each other

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Speaker 4: a few times and had coffee together.

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Speaker 5: That's the date we're referring.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean we ride the same train line, and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're in a relationship.

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Speaker 1: Okay, why didn't you consider the coffee meet up a date?

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Speaker 7: Well? I guess, like technically, like we made an appointment

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Speaker 7: or like a time to see each other.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people would see that as two people

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Speaker 4: meeting up and having a drink or whatever together.

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Speaker 5: That's considered a date.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean, like normally there's sort of like,

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Speaker 7: I guess date vibes if you.

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Speaker 2: Will, Oh you didn't get anything.

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Speaker 7: Friendly? Well, I just didn't even know they were supposed

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Speaker 8: This girl has like I.

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Speaker 7: Don't know how to describe it other than like a

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Speaker 1: What did you just say, Josie has a similar style

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw up.

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Speaker 2: I cannot think.

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Speaker 5: I mean, let's hear him out.

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Speaker 7: Maybe not like in a gru like just a I

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Speaker 7: noticed she was wearing this jacket that my mom has

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Speaker 7: the exact same one.

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Speaker 1: Of Oh not the jacket we know get grows is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gross, he's not into her.

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Speaker 5: It's just okay.

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Speaker 4: Josie mentioned us that you brought up her jacket looking

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Speaker 5: Is that what you're talking about?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I noticed her on the train a couple

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Speaker 8: And so I was just gonna pick her brain on

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Speaker 2: This was an information like where's the Talbots?

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Speaker 7: So oh, that might be a good place to go.

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Speaker 4: Did you tell Josie during the coffee experience that you

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Speaker 7: I don't know if I mentioned specifically that we talked

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Speaker 8: I mean it was brief, like okay, that's why, well

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Speaker 8: you said date.

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Speaker 7: I don't really think of it as a date.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 4: Wow, somebody who may have seen it as a little

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Speaker 8: I mean, you've never seemed interested.

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Speaker 5: Hello, that's Josie, jose because.

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Speaker 3: That's so offensive, and my mom's cool.

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no, your mom is cool.

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Speaker 4: It's possible maybe his mom is some sort of model.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't you get asked me where I got the

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Speaker 8: And has that jacket jacket?

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's kind of funny. He was probably taking your

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Speaker 1: I bet his mom was really like, maybe a teenager

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Speaker 5: I'm sure he's the product of a teenage pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: That's not true. Okay, it's like bohemian style.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what you would call it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's okay, that's true. At no point three people.

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Speaker 4: You know what Josie probably wants to hear from you, Benjamin,

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Speaker 4: is an apology of some sort.

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Speaker 8: Why am I book? What did I do? Well?

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Speaker 5: You said that she has the style of your mom?

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Speaker 8: Would you rather my mom has your style?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Nobody each other of you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, can we get off the whole? I dressed like

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Speaker 3: was genuinely like interested. You seem like a really nice guy,

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Speaker 3: and you just seem like you were a little bit

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Speaker 1: Well I think he is inexperienced, I mean find gifts

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think I'm an experienced Like you didn't

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Speaker 7: give off any signs of like, hey, let's go have

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Speaker 3: Why do you think I wanted to have coffee with you?

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Speaker 5: She was playing hard to get with you.

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Speaker 7: She didn't even want to have coffee with me. It

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Speaker 7: was like a point She's like, maybe I can fit

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Speaker 7: need like make your brain.

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Speaker 5: Between the lines. That means she likes you.

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Speaker 3: Telling you that I'm going to make time for you

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Speaker 4: You need to be.

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Speaker 7: Real clear, I don't have that, Dakoda. Rig I thought

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Speaker 7: you were just like literally busy.

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Speaker 2: I mean she.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you know now that she likes you, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's very clear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so put all the mom stuff aside. Do you

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Speaker 7: I haven't really even thought about it. Like, all I

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Speaker 5: That could be sexy in something.

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Speaker 8: Jack could be No, it's not like that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well I'm doing more damage than I am helping.

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Speaker 1: Did you like, donate the jacket and then maybe get something.

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Speaker 3: I'm not changing my wardrobe because of him.

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Speaker 8: No, you shouldn't change it. I mean, you look amazing

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Speaker 8: at it.

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Speaker 1: I was serious for my Complimentager, She's never going to

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Speaker 4: Just so you know, she'll find something out even hotter

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Speaker 4: to wear on your first official day that we we're

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Speaker 4: gonna send you on it and pay for the day.

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Speaker 5: If you want to do this, Benjamin, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: Can we just not don't even ask him?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You're right, we should probably ask his mom for permission

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Speaker 4: for make sure it's okay before he's.

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Speaker 5: Allowed to go out with you.

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Speaker 2: I think she's gonna go home you're done with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if there's coming back from this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Josie, I'm sorry, I really didn't see it as

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it won't be I'm probably gonna start taking

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Speaker 3: the bush.

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Speaker 4: Oh, but that's like ignoring him. And when she ignores someone,

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Speaker 4: it means that.

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Speaker 3: She's like, I think I'm throwing that hut of you

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Speaker 3: out from now on. I'm never using that again.

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Speaker 2: And Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 4: This second date update was powered by Talbots. Stop it

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Speaker 4: somethings to embrace your inner mom. Put on that floral

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Speaker 4: button up blouse under a handstitch sweater vest, and embrace

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Speaker 5: And yeah, is that terrible?

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean no one wants to be compared to

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Speaker 5: Excuse me.

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Speaker 4: I would like to ask that we destigmatize the idea

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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't like.

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Speaker 4: This narrative that you guys are painting that moms can't

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey, you cannot be attracted to someone who looks like

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Speaker 1: your own mother.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if your own mother is Heidi Clue.

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Speaker 2: It is close.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's your opinions.

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Speaker 4: If you're a hot mom text in the seventy eighty

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Speaker 4: five nine as well, if you're singlet are you.

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Speaker 2: Trying to get hot moms a text?

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Speaker 5: A text?

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Speaker 2: That is not what this is about.

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Speaker 4: Solidarity in numbers, and if we can't agree on that,

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Speaker 4: at least we can agree on this, we'll help you

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Speaker 4: with your dating life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, don't matter who your mom is, no matter what

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Speaker 5: they look like.

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Speaker 2: Hei Klum's daughter, give us a call.

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Speaker 5: That's right, email the show.

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Speaker 4: We'll call that person who's not calling you back and

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Speaker 4: go check out all of our second dates wherever you

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Speaker 4: get your podcasts at Broke and Jeffrey