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<v Speaker 1>How's it going? Everybody? I am your host, Travis Wingfield.

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<v Speaker 1>And on today's show, the Vic Fangio episode, we're breaking

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<v Speaker 1>down Miami's big time hire at defensive coordinator. We'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about his resume, his accomplishments and rankings over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>the bones of the defense, and what it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>from a numbers perspective. We'll get some testimonials and bring

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<v Speaker 1>in a closer to wrap it up. For the fine

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<v Speaker 1>details on the Fangio scheme, Sean Sayed wrote a banger

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<v Speaker 1>of a deep dive up on the read optional about

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<v Speaker 1>the Fangio defense and how it's made its way across

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League. We'll get to know the newest

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<v Speaker 1>member of the Miami staff here on the podcast from

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<v Speaker 1>the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it is oficial. Vic Fangio will be the

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<v Speaker 1>next defensive coordinator of your Miami Dolphins, and he brings

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<v Speaker 1>with him a very, very impressive resume. Let's start there.

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<v Speaker 1>In this deep dive edition of the podcast. We're putting

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<v Speaker 1>the season review series on hold for the day. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and start with his resume and it goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to nineteen seventy nine. It's almost a decade before

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<v Speaker 1>I was born, when he was the linebackers coach and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually defensive coordinator at his alma mater, Dunmore High School

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania. He then moved on to an academy high school,

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<v Speaker 1>Milford Academy in Connecticut to be the DC there in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two. In nine eighty three, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina graduate assistant and then eighty four eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>he jumped to the USFL and the Philadelphia slash Baltimore

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<v Speaker 1>Stars as their defensive assistant. Then he made the move

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<v Speaker 1>to the NFL Saints linebackers from eighty six to ninety four.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the Panthers defensive coordinator from ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>to ninety eight before moving to that same position with

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts from ninety nine to oh one. Took the

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<v Speaker 1>same position for the Texans two thousand and two to

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<v Speaker 1>oh five. He stayed in the same division there a

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<v Speaker 1>few times. You see that from a NFC Central to

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<v Speaker 1>the AFC Central or AFC South. Eventually, with the twos

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<v Speaker 1>and Texans from six to oh eight, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>Ravens special assistant to the head coach slash defensive assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>He took the linebacker's job for the Ravens and oh

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<v Speaker 1>nine and then twenty ten went back to the college

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<v Speaker 1>game to be the defensive coordinator at Stanford, working with

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbaugh. Then he followed Harbaugh to the forty nine

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<v Speaker 1>Ers job, where he was a DC for four years

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<v Speaker 1>there before signing on to the same position with the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Bears from twenty fifteen to twenty eight team. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he finally gets his head coaching gig twenty nineteen, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one the Broncos head coach, and this last year

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<v Speaker 1>he spent with the Philadelphia Eagles. Fans of the office

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<v Speaker 1>will find this cool. He played at Dunmore High School

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<v Speaker 1>when he was a high schooler just outside of Scranton, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he eventually became the assistant to the head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>so kind of a Dwight Shrewt moved there. He moved

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<v Speaker 1>to a different high school in eighty two that year

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<v Speaker 1>before the one year in college and then the USFL

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course makes the jump back to the pros.

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<v Speaker 1>And what does he do besides coach a room that

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<v Speaker 1>earns a nickname. You understand how good a position group

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<v Speaker 1>has to be to get a nickname. Legion of Boom,

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<v Speaker 1>the Purple People Eaters. He had the Dome Patrol in

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans. Over his nine aggregate years there in New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 1>the Saints ranked fifth in yards per game with three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred yards per game. They were fourth in scoring again

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<v Speaker 1>over those nine years eighteen point one points per game,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were third and sacks with four hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eight and tied for third with three hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six takeaways. Then he gets his first defensive coordinator job

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<v Speaker 1>and he helps take the expansion Panthers to the NFC

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<v Speaker 1>title game in year two of its existence. Then onto

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts where he worked under Jim Mora. This guy's

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<v Speaker 1>been with like every coach you can think of. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the Texans and run his defense under Dom

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<v Speaker 1>Capers before heading up to Baltimore to coach Ray Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>in an All Pro two thousand and nine season. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned the six years with Jim Harbaugh, and he

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<v Speaker 1>goes up to Chicago and Harbaugh left for Michigan. There

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<v Speaker 1>he worked with John Fox, and when John Fox was relieved,

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<v Speaker 1>Fangio became the first Bears defensive coordinator to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>under a new head coach and go to the next

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<v Speaker 1>regime with a three year extension since Buddy Ryan stayed

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<v Speaker 1>on with Mike Ditka in nineteen eighty two. Then rookie

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<v Speaker 1>head coach Matt Nagy gave full control of the Fangio

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<v Speaker 1>defense Perer story I was reading earlier before I put

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast together. Full control of the defense, and he

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<v Speaker 1>repaid that by leading the NFL in turnovers in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen with thirty six and the most interceptions with twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven that season. Man, if we can get anywhere close

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<v Speaker 1>to those numbers in terms of takeaways, that's you in

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<v Speaker 1>the division. Like, if you flipped that this year with

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<v Speaker 1>the Dolphins offense this year, you would have won the division.

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<v Speaker 1>For that effort, Fangio was named Assistant Coach of the

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<v Speaker 1>Year by the Pro Football Writers of America and the

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<v Speaker 1>same honor a few weeks later from the Associated Press

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<v Speaker 1>that led to his first head coaching job with the

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<v Speaker 1>Denver Broncos. Let's go ahead and circle back and focus

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<v Speaker 1>on his time from twenty eleven and on from the

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<v Speaker 1>Niners Bears to Broncos. His last eight years as a

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<v Speaker 1>DC that combines the Niners and Bears jobs, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a defense that finished in the top five four times

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<v Speaker 1>of total defense and the top ten six times in

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<v Speaker 1>total defense that ahead of his appointment as the headman

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver, and those defenses he had there were very

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<v Speaker 1>good too. They essentially still were the same remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>what he built this past season. That was a championship

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<v Speaker 1>defense in twenty twenty two, constructed by Vic Fangio, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after a few years putting it together there to put

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<v Speaker 1>together for a new staff of this season, and if

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<v Speaker 1>the Denver offense this year was even just average, then

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been a team we're watching into the postseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the Broncos went in the right direction this offseason

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<v Speaker 1>was bringing in Jiro Everro to run that defense, which

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<v Speaker 1>stems from the same principles on the defense he ran.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go year by year back to the San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco days, starting no, going back to twenty eleven. We

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<v Speaker 1>start in twenty twenty two, though, he was a consultant

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<v Speaker 1>for the Philadelphia Eagles, and you saw the Eagles get

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<v Speaker 1>after it with really, in all honesty, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the same principles from a Fangio style defense. They were

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<v Speaker 1>third in total defense. They had fifteen more sacks than

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<v Speaker 1>the second place sacking team at seventy compared to Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>City is fifty five. Uber our Championship round takeaways was

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<v Speaker 1>how to pressure upfront, and that's how you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>can control games and remove my preconceived moniker that your

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<v Speaker 1>defense is as good as the offense is playing. Not

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<v Speaker 1>when you can get pressure with four Philadelphia seventy sacks

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City fifty five. They'll meet in the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>The Eagles had the third lowest passer rating against eighty

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<v Speaker 1>one point six. They were seventh ranked in scoring defense

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty point one points per game. They had the

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<v Speaker 1>twelfth ranked red zone defense and the fourteenth ranked third

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<v Speaker 1>down defense. Let's go ahead and do that for all

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<v Speaker 1>the teams that he's coached going back to twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Broncos in twenty twenty one is the head

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<v Speaker 1>coach eighth and total defense third and scoring twenty first

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<v Speaker 1>and takeaways six and passer rating third and red zone

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth and third down. The next season they were

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first in total twenty fifth and scoring twenty ninth

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<v Speaker 1>and takeaways and despite being sixteenth and passer rating fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>and third down, they were still number one in the

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<v Speaker 1>red zone. In twenty nineteen, it was better. So they

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<v Speaker 1>had like a down year in twenty twenty. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really sure what you would call that. There was opt

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<v Speaker 1>outs that year, the COVID year, people missing from games,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just a lot of stuff going on that

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<v Speaker 1>was different in twenty twenty. But twenty nineteen is first

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<v Speaker 1>year twelfth, and defense tenth and scoring twenty fifth and

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<v Speaker 1>takeaways never really got to takeaways in Denver twenty first,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine and twenty fifth, sixteenth and passer rating, but

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<v Speaker 1>again first in red zone thirteenth and third down defense.

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<v Speaker 1>So always top three in the red zone in red

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<v Speaker 1>zone scoring like that is if you can do that

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<v Speaker 1>in today's NFL. And again with this Dolphins defense Dolphins offense, rather,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna win a lot of games, you're gonna compete

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<v Speaker 1>for the division, You're going to compete in January and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's what you need as exactly what you need.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back to Chicago when he was the DC his

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<v Speaker 1>last year, there was an amazing one third in total defense,

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<v Speaker 1>first in scoring first, and takeaways first, and opposer passer

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<v Speaker 1>rating opposing passer rating sixth in red zone and fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and third down defense. Like they were great across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>And the years prior to that wasn't any worse. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they were tenth, fifteenth and fourteenth, and defense ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth and twentieth and scoring defense. So that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they had the scoring fell off a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit there, but again, personnel, there's some lean years in

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<v Speaker 1>there they were first, thirteenth, thirty, second, and sixteenth. And

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<v Speaker 1>takeaways in Chicago, the passer rating was only really good

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<v Speaker 1>one of the four years, the first, eighteenth, twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty sixth. But again red zone six twelve, eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, like they were always a good red zone

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<v Speaker 1>defense besides that first year, and then third downs where

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<v Speaker 1>the fluctuation comes to the most for his defense is fourth, twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty second, and twenty ninth. So it gets better as

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<v Speaker 1>he goes each stop along the way in the key

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<v Speaker 1>categories like total and scoring in third down red zones,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much always good, and then the takeaways and passer rating,

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<v Speaker 1>those things kind of work together, right, usually pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>but not so great those couple of years there in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>You go back to San Francisco. He always had a

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<v Speaker 1>good defense there the four years there, fourth, fifth, third,

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<v Speaker 1>and fourth in total defense, tenth, third, second, and second

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<v Speaker 1>and scoring defense. Takeaways they were fourth, sixth, fourteenth, and first.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a defense that generates takeaways. Man, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that more in a second. They get eyes in the

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<v Speaker 1>football and they attack that way. They were fourth, fourth, sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>and fifth in posing passer rating, but the red zone

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't as good like weird twenty eighth, thirteenth, twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>and fourth, and then third down defense was twenty six, fifth, third,

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<v Speaker 1>and eleventh. Excuse me, so again those Bears and Broncos ratings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they were not up to par. Those were

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<v Speaker 1>some lean years in terms of their personnel. Just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for your information. Not trying to make an excuse or

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<v Speaker 1>tell you like he's a great coach regardless, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say he's not going to have that problem here

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<v Speaker 1>short of another instance of losing seven to eight key

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<v Speaker 1>players and stars for your defense the whole year like

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<v Speaker 1>we had last year. But if that doesn't happen, those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers will not happen. Let's next look at how he does,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what are the ingredients? What goes into the stew

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go ahead and look at his most

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<v Speaker 1>recent stop in Denver between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>How did the Broncos attack opposing offenses. We'll do that

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<v Speaker 1>and break down some of the film I watched on

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<v Speaker 1>his games. That's next Yime podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,

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<v Speaker 1>brought to you by Auto Nation, The VIC Fangio episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Drivetime podcast New Dolphins Defensive Coordinator. We've broken

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<v Speaker 1>down the statistical ranks of where he's been over the

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<v Speaker 1>last decade plus told you about his resume. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and jump into the film and what NFL Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>we call it gisis where they rank Vic Fangio style defenses.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just went back and cumulatively took the last

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<v Speaker 1>three years with the Broncos because it's it really tracks similarly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Bears was the same, the Niers was

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<v Speaker 1>the same. He's not gonna overhaul what he does. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>he's smart enough to adapt and change things year to year,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's principally the same idea as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>year after year. So let's go ahead and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what he did in Denver. They ran out of their

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<v Speaker 1>base package, which was a three four twenty one percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the time. And I'm gonna go ahead and say

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<v Speaker 1>it in everyone listens to this podcast knows this, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently people that don't don't know this. Three four and

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<v Speaker 1>four three is a fraction of your defense? Can we

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<v Speaker 1>all agree to agree upon that it's less than a

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<v Speaker 1>fifth of your defense? Typically here it's twenty one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>A little more nickel defense is your base like getting

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in whether a coach runs three four or

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<v Speaker 1>four three is not relevant. I mean it is to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the defense they play and what they want to

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<v Speaker 1>play on base downs. But man like it is a

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of what you run. This is not nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why it's so prevalent. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>know I've seen, you know, beat writers and people that

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<v Speaker 1>cover the game professionally talk about it like it is

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<v Speaker 1>and so maybe that's where the fans get it from.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're four three and three fours. That's not how

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL works anymore. It hasn't for like twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>but we still talk about it that way. Anyway, the

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<v Speaker 1>base heat ran in Denver was three or four, which

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<v Speaker 1>is twenty one percent of the time. And he also

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<v Speaker 1>ran the four three four point six percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's some hybrid variables there in terms of their fronts,

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<v Speaker 1>and we see it with Philly two. It means a

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<v Speaker 1>consultant there some five down front. So like there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>some variety and versatility he builds into a system, which

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<v Speaker 1>you have to love because he'll morphit around the players

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<v Speaker 1>that he has. But as we always say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the nickel defense is your base. So those are your

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<v Speaker 1>fractions nickel over the three years, sixty two point one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the time. But here's a big figure that's

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<v Speaker 1>not common in the NFL today, dime packaging ten point

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent. So eleven percent of the time they have

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<v Speaker 1>a sixth defensive back on the field or more. And

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<v Speaker 1>they ran twelve players from quarter which is seven defensive backs.

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<v Speaker 1>Situational based sub package. You know, we don't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>putting on more linebackers, a more defensive linemen to rush

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<v Speaker 1>to quarterback. We believe in getting pressure with our system upfront,

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<v Speaker 1>with our ability to create one on ones, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we disguise and confuse quarterbacks on the back end and

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<v Speaker 1>give them more cover guys to handle thirtain lungs so

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<v Speaker 1>that guys can't get open. Like the game against the

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<v Speaker 1>Chiefs or the Chiefs and Bengals game on Sunday, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals had that third and sixteen and Hayden Hurst sprung

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<v Speaker 1>a little you know, flag route wide open. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>he not covered because you weren't aligned properly. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the right personnel in the field, get your right

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<v Speaker 1>personnel out there, and get a stop on third and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of the idea that we'll talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about the structure of it. The box counts seven man

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<v Speaker 1>boxes was just eighteen point eight percent. That's your average

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<v Speaker 1>you know, four three three four defense type of Look,

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<v Speaker 1>you're four defensive backs or even your five defensive backs

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<v Speaker 1>with the rat in the whole eighteen point eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the time a normal box light boxes are ran

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three point seven percent of the time. Sixteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty six plays out of the three thou eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five came with a six man box. What does that

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<v Speaker 1>tell you? Two high safeties they don't bring that safety

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<v Speaker 1>down and it's usually from nickel personnel. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go four two five, and we're gonna play all five

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<v Speaker 1>defensive backs out of the box and try to win

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<v Speaker 1>our gap assignments accordingly. Now that of course can shift

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<v Speaker 1>on early down personnel. That's why you have it only

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three percent of the time. You can shift that

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<v Speaker 1>base upon the offensive ability to match their personnel. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like some definitive number. But it tells you.

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<v Speaker 1>This defense is based upon the ability to play two

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<v Speaker 1>high safeties and forced defenses to be patient to run

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<v Speaker 1>the football and take underneath stuff and limit big plays.

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<v Speaker 1>That gives well with the defensive personnel we have here

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<v Speaker 1>and then stacked boxes seven point five percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, the box count idea here tells you they

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<v Speaker 1>prefer to play down a man in the run count

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<v Speaker 1>in the gap assignments to get more on the back

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<v Speaker 1>end against coverage. And I like that when you're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, the best quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>in the league. I like the idea of defending the

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<v Speaker 1>pass and eight or nine yards average pertempt compared to

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<v Speaker 1>three or four yards on the ground. The coverage structure

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<v Speaker 1>here you go, single high safety. You're gonna think this

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<v Speaker 1>is funny because it's going to contradict everything I just

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<v Speaker 1>told you. But I'll tell you why that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Single high safety pre snap forty three point three percent,

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<v Speaker 1>two high safety pre snap thirty seven point five percent. Travis,

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<v Speaker 1>that number is lower. You just lied to us. Hang

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<v Speaker 1>on cover zero seventeen point four percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is there's so much variety in this defense.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to Sean here in a minute about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it definitely is capable of confusing quarterbacks based upon

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to show different pictures different times and change

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<v Speaker 1>what you do pre snap and post snap and then

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<v Speaker 1>other coverages one point eight percent of the time. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>this jives with the ability to confuse quarterbacks and force

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<v Speaker 1>them to think and make decisions on the fly after

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<v Speaker 1>the snap. This is pre snap structure, so it changes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not camping out in one thing. You don't rotate

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<v Speaker 1>the same way every single time. It's constantly evolving. So

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback can't say, well, last time that safety started

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<v Speaker 1>on the far hash and then buzzed the crossing route

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<v Speaker 1>from the backside take away the over route like he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to deal with mesh. Well, next time you've bluffed

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<v Speaker 1>the mesh, you go back to the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>field and you pull down the opposite safety, like you

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<v Speaker 1>have different things you can do. Interchangeable safety plays a

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<v Speaker 1>key in this defense. That's why those coverage numbers pre

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<v Speaker 1>snap and the post snap rotation is so not aligned,

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<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense. Unaligned, I don't know. They play

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<v Speaker 1>man coverage twenty point three percent of the time. They

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<v Speaker 1>play zone coverage seventy eight points even percent of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>But that can be difficult to plot because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of coverages are hybrid based, especially in this defense. You know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>front side, zone, backside, vice versa. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>man coverage converted to zone in this defense based upon

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the way they stack or bunch or motion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as easy as just listing out numbers. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why we're going to get to my guest here in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment. He's going to break it down for us further.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not always, and almost never is what you

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<v Speaker 1>see is what you get. It's constantly changing and evolving.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as their rush packages rush plans, they go

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<v Speaker 1>three man rush in Denver they did eleven percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the four man rush was fifty seven point

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<v Speaker 1>six percent of the time, and your five man rushes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, blitzing was eighteen percent of the time. They

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<v Speaker 1>had seventy eight snaps of seven rushers twenty three snaps

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<v Speaker 1>of seven rushers, so about twenty percent blitzer rates there.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Broncos under Vic Fangio, they rarely go Joe break.

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<v Speaker 1>They just don't bring the all out blitzing rushing attack.

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<v Speaker 1>It's if they do come, it's typically just five guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's one hundred and sixty four snaps of less

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<v Speaker 1>than three rushers. Think end of game, end of half, third,

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<v Speaker 1>and a mile situations, all kinds of scenarios that play

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<v Speaker 1>into that, But the primary number here is the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven point six four man rush. In total, it was

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<v Speaker 1>four or fewer rushers seventy six point nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the time during the three years in Denver. So expect

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<v Speaker 1>far fewer blitzing, better coverage, better disguise, better shells in

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<v Speaker 1>the back end, and trusting Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>and Emmanuel Ogba and Christian Wilkins and Zach Steeler and

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin Ingra if he comes back, Andrew van Ginkol, if

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<v Speaker 1>he comes back, four guys go get the quarterback. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>play good coverage in the back end and give you

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully an extra If this defense can get two tenths

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<v Speaker 1>of a second longer time to throw, that sack production,

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<v Speaker 1>the turnover production, the third down defense, all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>all of it will ratchety way way up. And really,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at defenses that typically can generate the

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<v Speaker 1>most takeaways or be stout in the red zone. It's

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<v Speaker 1>because they change the picture on the quarterback. They confuse

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<v Speaker 1>you and give you multiple looks. You can never give

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback the same look over and over again. A

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback of the ILK of Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. You have to consistently change

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<v Speaker 1>what they look at. And that's usually how mistakes are generated,

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<v Speaker 1>right by confusing the quarterback and forcing poor decisions to

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<v Speaker 1>put the ball where you want them to put the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>And you do that by changing it up. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>five games of his now. I went back and watched

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<v Speaker 1>against one against Mahomes, one against twa and twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one against Aaron Rodgers when he was with the Bears,

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple other games with the Broncos, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to see how he went about that. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was like the takeaway is that there was no takeaway.

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<v Speaker 1>It was always different. It was always, you know, show

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<v Speaker 1>mugged up pressure in the a gap and pull a

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<v Speaker 1>guy out, Show a seven man pressure package and pull

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<v Speaker 1>two defensive tackles out and rush the ads, show nobody

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<v Speaker 1>and delay green dog puts them user athletic linebackers to key.

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<v Speaker 1>If a running back is staying in protection, go get him.

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<v Speaker 1>Go at the quarterback, don't you know, sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>wait for him to get out into the pattern. So

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<v Speaker 1>just constant change, constant evolution, constant muddying up with the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback with the posing offense. Sees is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>bread and butter behind that film study that I did

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<v Speaker 1>here on this Monday. So that's the bones and all.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go ahead and do some testimonials here next before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to my guest, and Sean said, I always

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<v Speaker 1>like to look at the reaction on social media about

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<v Speaker 1>big moves, and this one comes with some praise that

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<v Speaker 1>jives with what I've taken from my research on coach

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<v Speaker 1>Fangio and some of the benefits that come with hiring

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<v Speaker 1>someone of his pedigree. Randy and Mueller, former Dolphins GM

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<v Speaker 1>said on Dolphins hiring a Vic Fangio is big. His

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<v Speaker 1>experience and perspective is what is very valuable for players

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<v Speaker 1>and others in the building. I love that their young

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<v Speaker 1>decision makers want more football acumen. How big is that? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be the biggest ego in the room, don't be

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<v Speaker 1>the big swing and d in the room that just

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<v Speaker 1>thinks you know everything and you want to control everything

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually lose the thread. Like putting good people around you.

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<v Speaker 1>Coaches talked about delegating, how important he finds it to

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<v Speaker 1>delegate and trust the people he puts in place and

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I love this move for Mike McDaniel. I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it on the previous pod, like, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest move to me, is the ability to attract a

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<v Speaker 1>big name, to get him here and tell him like

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<v Speaker 1>we have something good we're building, and the coach to

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to just do whatever it takes to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing else matters. Jay Feeley, former Dolphins kicker, perfect hire

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<v Speaker 1>for McDaniel. I like that his scheme and philosophy are

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<v Speaker 1>complimentary to the offensive scheme. Your offense is explosive. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't need high risk, high reward defense. You need one

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it hard on opposing offenses and forces them

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<v Speaker 1>to have long, extended drives. Yeah, we've talked about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Jordan rod Reek, who covers the Rams and

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL for the Athletics, she tweeted this when the

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<v Speaker 1>reports came out on Sunday. The McDaniel fangio combo in

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<v Speaker 1>Miami is such a full circle situation. I remember McDaniel

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<v Speaker 1>obsessively pouring over that scheme a couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 1>to coaching clinic. He's the one who said playing it

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<v Speaker 1>was the ultimate ego bait for offensive play callers, death

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<v Speaker 1>by ten thousand paper cuts. I cannot wait to hear

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<v Speaker 1>Coach mcdalan talk about this higher and how tough this

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<v Speaker 1>defense is to attack. We get great transparency from coach

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<v Speaker 1>on that, and he's always informative that way. And frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw that script play out and the win over

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo right going back to what Jaffeely talked about, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can shorten the game against these star quarterbacks, limit

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<v Speaker 1>them to seven to nine possessions per game, and then

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<v Speaker 1>take care of your own business on your own possessions, like,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, a forty five yard bomb to Jilen Waddle

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<v Speaker 1>on third and twenty two, and sharp red zone execution

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<v Speaker 1>after a takeaway creates a short field, then you have

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 1>a winning formula. You can score quick, you can limit

0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 1>possessions and frustrate a quarterback like Josh Allen. We have

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<v Speaker 1>months to break this all down, but it makes perfect

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. With the marriage of the styles of

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<v Speaker 1>these two coaches. I want to go ahead and take

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<v Speaker 1>our last break right here and finish up on the

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 1>other side with some real x'es and o's talk. I

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<v Speaker 1>brought in a foremost voice on this topic. You've probably

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<v Speaker 1>seen it make the rounds on Dolphins Twitter. Now he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a deep dive on the Fangio influences and schemes.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go ahead and get to Shaan Sayed next here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Drivetime podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 1>you by Auto Nation. Before we get to Sean Sayed,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go ahead and start with this topic

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<v Speaker 1>right here, talking a little bit about positional analogs. What

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>has coach Fngio had in the past in Denver and Chicago,

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 1>What do we have And we'll talk to Sean about

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>that here in just one second. But first my opinions

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>on the topic. Why not right? I think Javon Holland

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 1>has the most to gain here from this switch to more,

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, playing the playing the quarterback, playing the eyes

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of the quarterback, the interchangeable nature from him and Brandon Jones,

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and whatever else they might do at the safety position.

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Those guys tend to have big roles in this defense,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you have that much range, that much athletic ability,

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.679
<v Speaker 1>and you're that well and tuned to the finer nuances

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>of the game. You know, this play style. This concept

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.160
<v Speaker 1>takes me here, That concept takes me there. Like the

0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of the game will really help a player like

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Javon Holland and Brandon Jones who is so so so studious.

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it benefits the corners like an Xavien Howard,

0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.439
<v Speaker 1>who maybe doesn't have the same four four speed he

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.159
<v Speaker 1>used to at this stage of his career, especially running

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 1>on bad growings last year. I think that the ability

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to kind of zone turn, put his butt to the sideline,

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 1>camp out and watch quarterbacks and you know, break on

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Paul's that way will accentuate his playmaking ability we saw

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>for so many years down here. Beyond that, I'm not

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>sure what it looks like for the rest of the room,

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like if they bring Nick Needham back, who's

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>been in the same defense his whole career, Kator Cohu,

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I just trust him to play in any defense because

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a really good player, but we haven't

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>seen it yet. And then upfront is where I think

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the big advantages come from I think Christian Wilkins his

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>ability to penetrate and shoot gaps and kind of put

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line in a bit of you know, peril

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>in terms of having to deal with his speed and

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>explosiveness inside to match what you have on the perimeters,

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:53.919
<v Speaker 1>and the way this front can generate one on one

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>matchups just based upon its own ability to win their

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 1>own matchups. Because if you don't double Christian inside and

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>you put your elbows on the outside, he can cross

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.159
<v Speaker 1>face and get inside and get interior pressure, which is

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 1>the worst for a quarterback. So then you deal with that,

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 1>you pull on your running back, or you bring across

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:10.479
<v Speaker 1>a tight end to kind of help Chip inside there,

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. Then you free up the

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>edges for Chubb and for Phillips and the amount of

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 1>success that he has had getting great pass rush situations

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>for his guys in the past, whether it was Chubb

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>and Denver, von Miller and Denver, whether it was Khalil

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Mack in Chicago. I think he has the weapons here,

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the guns to play that style of defense that can

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:31.959
<v Speaker 1>really really harass opposing quarterbacks in a great way. The

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>linebacker area is where I don't know, I think they

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<v Speaker 1>might have to kind of remake that position because the

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 1>linebackers and Vic Fangio's defenses have always been super athletic.

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 1>They can play backwards as good as they can playing forwards,

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know we have that here. And they

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>have to be sizeable to be able to come down

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 1>and fit the run because if you're going to be

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 1>light in your box counts with the two high structures,

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>you have to have a linebacker who can kind of

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>thump that way. He's always had that, you know, going

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>back to even Roquan Smith his rookie year with the

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Chicago Bears, or you know, Patrick Willis Navarrel Bowman back

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco. He's always kind of had those guys

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to fit that mold. I'm not sure Miami does. It

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>makes for an intriguing off season to look ahead in

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>terms what they might do with that position, but I

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 1>think it's something to keep an eye on there as

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 1>far as what they might want to do to make

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>this defense. Vic Fangio's all right, there you go. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and get to my guest, now Shan Sayed

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 1>and joining me now here on the Drivetime podcast is

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the brain behind said schemes who penned a deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>on the Vic Fangio scheme, scheme that has really infiltrated

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the majority of National Football League defenses these days, and

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>now Miami has the czar of it all. He's Sean Sayed.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find his piece, the Book of Fangio on

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the read optional sub stack. They crank out great high

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>level content on the regular and Sean, of course a

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.919
<v Speaker 1>big big part of that. Sean, thank you so much

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>for jumping on today. Travis, thanks so much. I really

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. I hope the Dolphins fans are super excited

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for Vic Fangio. You know, I think it was a

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>domino in the coaching world that everyone was really waiting

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>to see where he fell. Dolphins fans, you know it's

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna be something different. I think it's been really fun,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Fangio as a guy who I love

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>writing about him. It's been a lot of fun for

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>us last couple of years. It seems like the guys

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>we've been going after in terms of the high, you know,

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>high profile players and coaches, whether that was McDaniel, whether

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>it was Tyreek Hill to Ron Armstead and now Vic

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Fangio a good batting average here for Chris Career getting

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>his guys the last couple of years. And Sean, I

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 1>don't want to you know, to I was thinking about

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>asking you a qualifying question, tell us to explain your

0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>bona fides, But forget that. Just go read the story

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>The Book of Fangio up on the read optional sub stack.

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you all you need to know about Sean's

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>football knowledge. And we could go eight to twelve hours

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>on this, probably, Sean, but we're gonna try to keep

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>it around twenty minutes or fewer. We'll see if we

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>can accomplish that. But I think we start right here.

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<v Speaker 1>And since you so aptly named your story the Book

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<v Speaker 1>of Fangio, I want to start with the contents page,

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<v Speaker 1>as it were. Can you kind of give us a

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand foot view on what makes this defense? What

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it is like? What are the defining traits of the

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Vic Fangio defense. So to me, you can't really talk

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>about modern events in the NFL without kind of mentioning

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and tracking Vic Fangio because at its core, the defense,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it uses flexibility to give really multiple post

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>snap looks to an offense and a lot of the

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 1>traits that the Fangio tree uses. They're different from what

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Dolphin fans are used to seeing. So you're gonna see

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>way more two high shells, you're gonna see light boxes,

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna see a lot less blitzing. And to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's smart because the defense can then

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>encourage the offense to run the ball into what may

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>look like optimal looks for the offense, but they can

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>play as heavier boxes when safeties are really triggering downhill,

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and really in the modern NFL, when rushing is less

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 1>efficient than passing, you need to be able to stop

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the pass game in different ways and be able to

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>prevent those big plays that Dolphins fan you know, love

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:48.959
<v Speaker 1>seeing Tyrie Hill and Jaalen while run an offense. So

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the Fangio d events puts a roof over the offense

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and makes you check the ball down over and over.

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Jordan Rodrigue was reporting on a quote for

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Mike McDaniel, not back in the day, but a little

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 1>while ago where McDaniel kind of mentioned the Fangio defense

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>as really an EO test for an offensive play caller.

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<v Speaker 1>So how many times can you make the right call

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>going down the field picking up small gains without either

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>turning the ball over, getting either into a suboptimal look

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>based on an early down run they gets blown up

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>or a second down sack, or just getting impatient and

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>dialing up a shop like kind of into the defensive hands.

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>So it's a really fun system because I think it's

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>it's flexible, and I always love using it, just calling

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it modern defense, because I think it is a beautiful

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>adaptation to where we've been kind of with the Pete

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Carroll rise in that kind of a defensive tree, and

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>now we're here where it's so popular with guys like

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Staley and Sean Desai going forward. It's funny you

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>referenced Jordan rod Reeks tweet because before you came on,

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you're the last part of the podcast here, Sean, I

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 1>brought in the closer as it were, and I referenced

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the Jordan rod reek tweet about the death by ten

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>thousand paper cuts from Mike McDaniel, you know, a few

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 1>years back at a coaching clinic, which we used a

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>bunch of that content from Coaching Clinks for coach when

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>he was hired last year. This time around the hiring cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to something you mentioned about

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the linebacker position, or I guess I should just say,

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, running against what looks like a favorable box count,

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>because so many quarterbacks and offensers are built upon Hey,

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>if you have a lightbox count and you have a

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>favorable you know, number of hats to put a hat

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>on a hat, run the ball, check to a run.

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>How do they accomplish that? Because I'm looking at the

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>same thing you're talking about with the lightbox, you know,

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it was like seventy three percent of the time.

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>How do you line up in a lightbox like that

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and still defend the run, you know, in a beneficial way.

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>So one of the ways to do it is if

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>you think you're a regular nickel with four down linemen,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>two defensive linebackers, right, So technically that's a quote lightbox

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>where you have six guys there, but oftentimes a safety

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>is going to be rotating down there for one, right,

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.239
<v Speaker 1>so that can make it seven. But also the way

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that they do it is the way that they play

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the regular quarters technique, or honestly, even when they're kind

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of playing to a cover two side, the safeties triggered downhill.

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>In some of these old Bears clips that I'm watching

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>with guys like Eddie Jackson, they get into the box

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>so quick. I think that that's a technique thing, but

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>also the general philosophy of fitting a run from depth

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>with safety's and saying, hey, look, maybe we're not going

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to get as many kind of minus two yards stops,

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>but if we can get you where you're getting one

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and a half and two yards over and over, Eventually

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>the bet is that you're popping and they get impatient.

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think the McDonald the way they run their

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>offense kind of front that Shanahan tree is there's always

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>going to be or there can be a kind of

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>quote unblockable support player. And the way that the Fangio

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Tree us it is that's coming from further depth, right,

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>So I think of stopping the run, it is a

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a resource allocation problem. Right. You could

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>put eleven guys in the box and say we are

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>not going to let you run the ball. That of

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>course is going to open up problems in the past game.

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>And the way that the Fanjai Tree balances it is

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>they're going to tip their balance to the pass game

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>while using technique on the back end, and then also

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>up front where if you have a bigger body that's athletic,

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>can kind of maybe take two gaps up or play

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 1>their gap and then fall into another gap up front

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>where you can have less guys on that line but

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>still be able to stop the run effectively. Yeah, that's

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>really good there. It just makes me think about what

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>you can maximize out of Javan Holland and Brandon Jones,

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>because Javon, for my money, can do anything anything you

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>ask that football player to do. He could probably play,

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, running back, he's that good of a player.

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>And then Brandon Jones, like he excels in the instinctive

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>nature of the game and timing up his runs to

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the lion scrimmage, and it makes me think that those

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>guys can really fit that role. And then also in

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>that nickel package like Kator Co who our rookie this

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>past year who was phenomenal for you know, for any measurement,

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>but for a UDFA rookie. He tackles as well as anybody.

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>He had twenty eight run stops this year, which was

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>sixth most among cornerbacks. So I think that it's kind

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>of that Aran Johnson thing in Buffalo where you're in

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>your nickel defense, but you have a great tackling nickel

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 1>cornerback that goes a long ways too. So something else

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>about the defense that you wrote very very you know,

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>eloquently about which it's I told you, Sean, it's hard

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to get through that material in a way that is

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like comprehensive and not you know, putting you to sleep.

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 1>And you did a good job of that. But what

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about here is like, just

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 1>give us the bones of the idea of this cover

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>six cover eight, Like, what does it look like when

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you achieve the ideal cover six that obviously pairs well

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>with that cover eight when you do it correctly, What

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>does it look like? So the reason why I'm so

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.479
<v Speaker 1>such a proud pusher of the word cover eight as

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>opposed to just cover six is to me, cover six

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 1>or cover eight, it determines what you're playing to the

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>passing string. So, really, simply put, is the kind of

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the more or better receivers? Right, So if it's two

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>receivers but there's only one on the opposite side, or

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>if it's two by two the side with the two

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>receivers instead of a tight end. So cover six to

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>me is quarters to the passing string, and then cover

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>eight to me is halves to the passing string. And

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the way that the Fangio Tree likes to play cover

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>eight and one of the toughest clips on the defensive

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>side you saw is the Chargers against the Jaguars. The

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Jaguars had a really big touchdown, but they're they're trying

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to play five over three to a trip side. So

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>if you have two receivers to that side, the offense

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>is really overloading one of the halves of the field.

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>And the way the defense fights back against that is saying, hey,

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>let's play man coverage away from it. Our linebacker is

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to take a running back. We are going

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.479
<v Speaker 1>to have to trust a cornerback on the back side.

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>But then we can play with five guys over three

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>to the front side. And that gives you different flexability

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>in terms of matching different routes, or if the kind

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of a fast receiver is working across the field instead

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>of having a linebacker chase that, a safety can kind

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 1>of play down to that with debt, and I think

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>what the Fangio the specifically kind of that twenty seventeen range.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Those Bears teams do really well is they play it

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>in their base looks to make sure they have a

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>cornerback that's fitting the kind of outside or the outside

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>piece of the run game, and you are going to

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>have to be kind of an aggressive force defender. And

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just something that it uses the flexibility

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of players really really well, and they do a good job.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>There's this great kind of the way they ran it

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>against the Cowboys. I think it was in Fantais last

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>year in Denver, where you know there's one clip cover

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 1>six one clip covering and just flipping it it, flipping

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>it and using it in different ways where they need

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.720
<v Speaker 1>to win that kind of first half second of the snap.

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Right when the quarterback takes a snap. We want to

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>have them hesitate just a touch with how our safety

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 1>is going to rotate, and then we want to be

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 1>able to get that rush already, kind of get there

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>their selves going forward and use that together to win

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that first second of the snap post snap stop the offense. Yeah,

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 1>it makes perfect sense. And when you kind of break

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>it down that way, it makes me think about the

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>way the Dolphins have traditionally the last couple of years

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>had such good like two gap technique and the players

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to execute that two gap where you know, Phillips and

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Chubb play the run on the way to the quarterbacks

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>so effectively. Or Christian Wilkins, who had the most tackles

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>by a defensive lineman since nineteen ninety I think it

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 1>was nineteen ninety one at least. He just gets off

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 1>blocks and makes plays. And Zack Zeeler's very similar that way.

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>So it seems like you could also kind of benefit

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>from that in terms of just playing better football up

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 1>front in addition to having more guys on the back

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>end and coverage. And you know, I was going over

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>some stats of Fangio's defenses over the years, and we

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 1>heard about the ben but don't break stuff. Man, can

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you like take us through that, because I'm looking at

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 1>the red zone rankings, and you know, defenses always kind

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of change what they do down on the red zone.

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>But man, his red zone defenses are always really good.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>How does they do that? Yeah, the Fangio red zone stuff,

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 1>it's so interesting to me because you have to be

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 1>good in the red zone if you're going to accept

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the hey, we're going to force you to check it.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Down over and over churn out these drives where we're

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 1>okay saying if you take fifteen places to score, it

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>look like good job on you guys. To me, in

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>the red zone, I think it's really it's a technique

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>thing where they play. I think they call it Red

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>nine where it's it is a cover three week side

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 1>rotation where they'll move their kind of free safety a

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>little over to the trips for one example, if they're

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>playing in trips. But it's just it is guys playing

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>with what speed I think, with confidence and not putting

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>players into suboptimal looks where a safety may be conflicted.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Kind of in two ways. Now the offense, of course,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>they get paid too. And I think something that I

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>really look forward to is hopefully those training camp clips

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of come out where you see you know, Fangio

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>McDaniel kind of fighting back and forth where they're really

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>drawing those things up. And to me, I think something

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that should be encouraging for a Fangio led defense, and

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of hard to quantify is they're just really

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>well coached, like players are extremely talented, especially in those

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 1>older defenses, but it seems like they're just not making

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>mistakes where there's not coverage bus where you know, safeties

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>don't have bad eye, for example, where they're seeing some

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>guy go out even though they know if they have

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>deep responsibilities. So it's me the red zone stuff, it's

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a it's not that they're running some extremely complicated schematic structure,

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>but coaching, I think in a lot of ways, is hey,

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 1>how can we maximize the player that we have on

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the field. And I think that's something that you know,

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Vic Fangio has just shown over and over that he

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>is able to do. So I think that's something that

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>mine should be excited about. Sean sayed here on the

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Drivetime podcast. He wrote a great piece on the read

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>optional The Book of Fangio. Go check it out. It

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>details this scheme very in depth. You won't find anything

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>better out there on the interwebs. A couple more for

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you here, Sean. And we've seen you know, this coach

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and this defense, and a couple of tapes I wanted

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 1>to go back and watch where against top quarterbacks. You know,

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>he was in Denver when they just seemingly found a

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 1>way to give you know, Mahomes fits every year when

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>they were over there. How does he and his defensive

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>structure confuse some of these top quarterbacks. Like the disguise

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that seem to work so well to confuse these quarterbacks

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.200
<v Speaker 1>that have seen so many snaps and so many coverages.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Really he's seen at all. How is he doing that

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>against these top end veteran quarterbacks. To me, the Fangio defense,

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:06.879
<v Speaker 1>it's not like too prideful. So I think they understand, hey,

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>we have a high level threat on the offensive end.

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>We're not just going to solve this person one on

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>one the whole entire game. Right when Tyreek Hill is

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>on the opposite side of the field. It's difficult to

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>do that. I think one way, You know, Dolphins fans

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>plane out is happy to think about that old Chargers game.

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 1>But Staley comes really strongly from that Fangio tree and

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>shares those ideas. So to me, it maybe less about

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>just hey, we're going to totally confuse you and have

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>some crazy coverage rotation, but it's saying, hey, from our

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>base looks that we run often, we have five or

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.880
<v Speaker 1>six different answers and different ways to plug and play

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>with how we're going to solve our problems. So whether

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>it's something as simple as hey, we usually have the

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 1>safety away from the trips dropping down to kind of

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>take imagine Tyreek Hill going on a crosser, Well, this

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>time we're going to have the opposite safety to it, right.

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's a combination of having the answers to the

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>test right or different ways to solve the problems, but

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.479
<v Speaker 1>also the understanding of, hey, this is when we're gonna

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>call this play. So that's another thing that's really hard

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to quantify where specifically, you know Vick Fanju, he's not

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>someone who just calls tons and tons of blitzes, but

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>when they do send pressure, especially when Fanjo calls those

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>max pressures, HF seems like he has an innate ability

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>to know when he can manipulate those pressures. So it's

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a real good combination of having the flexibility on defense

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>specifically from a two high structure where if you're in

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>a one high structure where that single middle of the

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>field safety is covering that deep middle. If you're gonna

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>get to different coverages, specifically a two high coverage, you're

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 1>going to have a safety who started on the line

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 1>and is running back kind of with a panic, almost

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to from that solidified twos structure holding that

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>twos structure as long as you can and dropping late

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 1>first of all, Right, so we're going to delay the

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks processing as much as we can and to get

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 1>two different coverages from that two eye structure. So to me,

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a great combination of Hey, our basic

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>looks are gonna look so similar, and because we have

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>multiple answers, we have different ways to try and frustrate you. Now,

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>if the offense is gonna score points, right like Pastrick

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Mahomes is going to score points when you play against them,

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes all it takes is really one or two

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 1>plays where you can get a sack, and especially when

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 1>your offense is rolling. It's a great combination and way

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to win. It makes it makes perfect sense. I'm glad

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you referenced the Chargers game from earlier this year. I

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 1>went back and watched the twenty twenty game against the

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Dolphins and it was kind of a similar a similar

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 1>situation where they just didn't really have open receivers down

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the field. And if the Dolphins can achieve that with

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the way they were able to create pressure with their

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>front this year, they were third and pass rush win

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>rate according to ESPN, and we saw Phillips and Chubb

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and Wilkins and the entire crew just have their own,

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, instances of one on one victories, but the

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>ball came out so fast it was hard to convert

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.919
<v Speaker 1>those into sacks. And so my question to you, Sean

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 1>is how would you describe the pressure packages or even

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>just the four man rushes and the way he creates

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to not just make quarterbacks hold the ball, but

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:52.959
<v Speaker 1>to get home up front and convert those pressures into

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>game changing plays like sacks, tip balls to get picked off.

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 1>How does the Vangio Fangio I should say pressure packages

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>work out. So one of the maybe smaller critiques at

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the Fanjio package is you're not going to see the

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>most exotic blitzes with different twists or different kind of

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>schemes from that or that maybe you're used to seeing

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>across the league. But have five guys up front causes

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:18.320
<v Speaker 1>so many problems for the offensive line because at outset

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it says, hey, we kind of need to play almost

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of man coverage on offense, where I have

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this guy in front of me, and when you can

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>make that a one on one constantly, as you said,

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>which I think the Dolphins have done a good job

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of that, and you know, guys like Philips are going

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 1>to be happy to have this again, where if you

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>can get those one on ones consistently, your best guys

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 1>are going to get home. And I think that's something

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that in Minnesota that happened where their defense maybe not

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the most popular this year, but getting Zadarius Smith just

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 1>over the kind of weakest length in the offensive line.

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>An offensive line is really a weakling system where if

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>you have, for example, your right guard is just a

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>little shaky that day, that's where you want to pack

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 1>on defense. I think Fanji understands that and knows how

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:55.839
<v Speaker 1>to attack it. So to me, the thing is going

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.720
<v Speaker 1>to be those five down fronts, where maybe they haven't

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>been as popular with Fangio himself, but you know Stale

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>used it a lot expecifically with the Rams. The Eagles

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>are using it a ton this year, and Fanjio is

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>seeing that on tape every single week this year. I

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 1>think that's gonna be something that we could see from Miami.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 1>But also those edge rushers in that regular Nickel four

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 1>down front, but if you can get home with four,

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>it gives you just all that flexibility on the back end.

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 1>Once you have to send you know, a fifth guy

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.240
<v Speaker 1>to kind of get pressure. It unfolds your coverage structure

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>in different ways, whether it's you know, forcing people to

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 1>have to play just in different spaces than they're used to.

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:30.839
<v Speaker 1>But what I like that you know Fangio has done

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is instead of just having defenders kind of dropping to

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a landmark, turning around and often you know, looking like, hey,

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>this guy's just covering space. So when you watch the

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>replay on TV, you're like, what's going on with the defense?

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>They do a good job of closing that space and

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, matching routes where if they are going to

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>send pressure, it's gonna look like man coverage and maybe

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of those quote bonus fire zones they

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>would call it, but really it is, it's gonna play

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>out almost like man coverage. So it's a combination of

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>putting players in the best matchups one on one closing

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.399
<v Speaker 1>that space in man coverage. And you know, as you said,

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you know something that maybe if the Dolphins of ruggled

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>with being able to close that space is really really outavantageous.

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 1>It's a good combination of hey, when the rush is

0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>doing good, the coverage is gonna look better. But also

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>when the coverage is doing good, the rushes are gonna

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 1>look better. So honestly, you want to have both those

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>things good, but they can really work kind of in Unison. Man,

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 1>it's only a February, and you got me fired up

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:18.880
<v Speaker 1>for training camp in July and into August. I cannot

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>wait to get out there and watch these two offenses

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and defenses goal up against each other. I want to

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>finish up with a couple of things here Sean number one,

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>just kind of briefly in each area of the field, Like,

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>tell me about what a Vic Fangio defense looks like

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 1>ideally in terms of personnel with what he's had successfully

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>in Denver, Chicago, San Francisco up front, in that second

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 1>level and the back end, what does it look like

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>when it's humming at all three levels in terms of

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the personnel he has at those spots. I think that

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.879
<v Speaker 1>it's it's really cool to track the scheme over time

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>because it's had so many incredible players. So think of

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:54.640
<v Speaker 1>it just as a base three four and using base

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>not as they're going to spend most of their times

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in nickel. But I think as a teaching progression. You

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 1>start at base in your three looks, having a nose

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>tackle that can you know, really fight that center and

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of as they say, steer the wheel, get into

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a good leverage and kind of attack the run that way,

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>not passive, but able to keep the linebackers clean. So

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>when you have Navarro, Bowman Patrick Willis a lot of

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>those tackles that they made were because those guys up

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>front were working so hard, and I think the defensive

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>linemen also those kind of four eyes, those guys on

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the inside shade of the offensive tackles. You could think

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>of Justin Smith for example from the Niners day. So

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>guys that can, they're still have the ability to attack

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the offense. And I think it is really space for

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>obviously you know Aaron Donald you see succeeding with the Rams.

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Those edge guys are kind of higher. They end up

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>as hybrid linebacker pass rushers. You know, fans, you had

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Bradley Chupp with them, right, So it's a nice reunion

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 1>for them and a space where when we're in our

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>nickel looks, it becomes a kind of two four or

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 1>five where you're you can get your hand in the dirt.

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>If you wanted. Guys like Kleil Mac really played that

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>role really well, where they're the edge center in the

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>three four face look, but then they're also getting after

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the passer as the defense to end in those kind

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>of sub or nickel looks. The linebacker position is really

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting one. As I said, even guys like Roquan Smith,

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that if the ability to kind of temple

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the running back have really good instincts, and then speed

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.359
<v Speaker 1>and coverage is going to be a really big thing.

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I think if you're a linebacker who maybe your instincts

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>in matching routes isn't as good, or if you're just

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're just not as quick to get to

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the ball. Sometimes dad can cause a problem because every

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>single defensive call has a weak point. There's no perfect

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 1>defensive call. If there was one, we would just see

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it constantly. But the weak side linebacker in pass coverage

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>is the kind of natural weak point. For example, you

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.919
<v Speaker 1>think of quarters, that linebacker a lot of the time

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>ends up matched up on the offensive slot receiver. And

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>even I think on Super Bowl Sunday you'll see where

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles used Davante Smith in that role because they

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>know they can get it matched up on a linebacker

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>cornerback position. I think Fan Joe has been has had

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of good corners, and the more flexibility really

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the better, right, So I think Pat sertain Is is

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>one of the top cornerbacks in this league already at

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.800
<v Speaker 1>such a such an early point in his career, particularly

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 1>because he can play man coverage really really well. You're

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 1>not going to be asked to play as much man

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 1>coverage i think in the Fantais system than what the

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Dolphins have been running previously, but still being able to

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 1>play flexible and really closing that space in zone coverage

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 1>is huge because if you're gonna play quarters and you're

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna kind of put your roof over the defense, you

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 1>still want to be able to take as much air

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 1>out and if you're going to play six or seven

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 1>yards off, being able to kind of compress that it

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>just makes the quarterback's life harder. And I think the

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>cornerstone of defense is those safeties. I have a hard

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 1>time thinking, Okay, if I could choose one star on

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the defensive putt in one position, maybe you know, it's

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.839
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's that nickel spot like Jalen Ramsey was playing

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in different ways for the Rams. Maybe it's having a

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>stud corner, but the safeties have to be able to

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>do so much because that week safety not week in

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>any player since, but kind of just away from the

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 1>passing strength they're fitting downhill. In the run game, they're

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to take that third receiver with speed

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 1>coming across the field where your other safety has to

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 1>really be able to cover a lot of ground. So

0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, the prime example for me

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 1>is Eddie Jackson, you know, Simmons in in den or

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 1>just versatile of guys. I think that that is something

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that the fanjio true really really loves to have. And

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you can see different ways that different iterations have used

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a personnel. Well, you know immediately should think of Philly, Well,

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.359
<v Speaker 1>they have a really really unique, I think five man

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 1>rush package where they have guys that can clog up

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 1>those interior gaps and just cause all sorts of problem

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>for the offensive line where letting your edge rushers be

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>comfortable they're still playing at six man box. Have those

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>cornerbacks who are playing at a high level. And then

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you have guys of course like Brandon Staley where he

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 1>has a different flexibility of Derwin James. So to me,

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.919
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a good combination. Keep saying good combination because

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 1>it's so many things working together, high level players that

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the scheme knows how to take advantage of and won't

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>just paint fully into a corner. To me, it's going

0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:43.799
<v Speaker 1>to be cool to see, Well, Okay, how do we

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>take guys like Jovon holland his really really interesting, unique

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>skill set and not force him to do things he's

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 1>super uncomfortable with, but really use them as kind of

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a weapon against the offensive different ways. Yeah, that's that

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 1>would be a number one on my board because I

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 1>think that he has the ability to really impact games

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>in that way. And you talk about these analogs you

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>look at from the Dolphins defense compared to Fangio's past, Like,

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at those lists, I'm thinking that there's gotta

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 1>be a reason that Vick was like, yeah, Siam, you

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 1>up in Miami because I have these pieces I can

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>go to work with right away. And then also you're

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of talking about the putting the onus on the

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 1>offense to be patient. Take what's there with this Miami

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>offense and the quick strike ability of Tyreek Hill, Jalin

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Waddle into a tung of vloa. You get teams behind

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the on the scoreboard all of a sudden that becomes

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.799
<v Speaker 1>even more difficult to do. So it's music to our ears. Sean,

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>we got a lot smarter today on the podcast. We

0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate your time. You can find him on Twitter

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>at syed Schemes. His work is everywhere read read optional, substack.

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:39.759
<v Speaker 1>He wrote for the Vikings sp Nation blog this past

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 1>season covering ed Donitel's defense protege of Vic Fangio. Go

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>read his work, follow him on social Sean, thank you

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.280
<v Speaker 1>again so much for your time. Is there anything else

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 1>that you've worked on and or are working on right now?

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 1>You can plug here on the podcast for us. Travis

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.840
<v Speaker 1>means so much. I really appreciate the kind words. It was.

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It was real fun to talk about. I'm kind of

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:01.799
<v Speaker 1>doing an analog to the Fangio side. I'm doing a

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Shanahan piece that I'm working on with the readoptional. I

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 1>know that's gonna be really fun. You know, the Dolphins

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 1>immediately jump up as just a top team. I'm gonna

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.920
<v Speaker 1>watch with an offense scheme that I really really love,

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a defensive scheme that I love just doing some freelance writing.

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Just cutting up that all twenty to follow the twitter.

0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.240
<v Speaker 1>You know any Dolphins outlook looking for a writer. I'm

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>excited to see you Dane on Fangio. It seems like

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 1>a match made in heaven for me. Travis. Again, really

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:26.320
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you having me on. Well, we're gonna have to

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:27.799
<v Speaker 1>get you back on here, man, because it sounds like

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you have a lot of to work to do on

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 1>these two coaches, and we're gonna be knocking on your

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>door here to get some more takes from us that

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 1>sound good. Absolutely, absolutely, thanks a lot, Sean, And there

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>he goes. Like I said, we get smart on the podcast,

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and we have smart people on here, so really appreciate

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>him jumping on with us, and quickly wanted to provide

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.399
<v Speaker 1>you guys a quick life update for Sean, who since

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.759
<v Speaker 1>we taped that podcast, has accepted a new job at

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Summer Sports, a quantitive analysis company aimed at creating precision

0:49:56.239 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and player acquisition and roster management in the National Football League,

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 1>also the Summer Sports Show podcast. He is going to

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>be the incoming director of communications for Summer Sports. Congratulations Sean,

0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.359
<v Speaker 1>We'll deserve men and we'll have him back on the

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>podcast plenty here in the future. That's gonna do it.

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>For my time here on the Draftime podcast. We'll come

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>back with the twenty twenty two review series picked up

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<v Speaker 1>on the next show we do here. I'm not sure

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:22.359
<v Speaker 1>which one we're at, but we'll have that for you

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