WEBVTT - Detecting Deception | Analyzing the Colt Gray Case with Jack Fox 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.200 I am drained. I've been looking for her for twenty 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.000 four hours. They should have taken me instead of her. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.520 Now that's a direct quote, y'all. And if you were 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.239 watching TV that night when the boyfriend of a mother 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.240 of a two year old child was making a statement 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.640 on TV, you might have thought, Man, this poor guy, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.320 he's been searching for this baby and Kate Finder. But 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.680 if you had taken statement analysis like I have, there's 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.400 some things about that statement that would have made you 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.600 sick to your stomach. Later they found that the boyfriend 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.520 had dumped the two year old's body and a storm drain. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:57.120 Statement analysis is something that I believe every rookie officer 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:02.560 and seasoned detective should have. I believe prosecutors in CSI 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:09.319 and EMTs and paramedics should have it. Anyone that could 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.800 possibly hear a spontaneous utterance from a victim or a 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:19.479 suspect or a witness should have statement analysis. Y'all Tonight, 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.840 we are lucky to have with us Jack Fox. He's 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.880 a former media professional who shifted his focus from influencing 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.560 people with his own words to uncovering how others use 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.399 their words to deceive. He has analyzed statements of serial killers, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:45.200 public apologies, disgrace celebrities. We've had a few of those lately. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:50.080 And he has developed a system that has over fifty 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:57.360 indicators to assess the truthfulness or deception in statements. Now 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.840 y'all can follow him and has an allo says on 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:06.040 his own channel, never a truer word. His clients include 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:13.400 law enforcement, private investigators, human resource professionals, investigative journalists, and 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:18.400 private individuals. Jack Fox, Welcome to z own seven. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.640 Hey, Cheryl, thank you so much for having me. It's 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:21.600 such an honor to be here. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.800 Absolutely, I'm digging the accent. We're going to have a 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.359 good time. Maybe we can understand each other the whole 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:28.919 way through. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.800 I'm going to talk very slowly and clearly. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.960 Oh I love the way you talked, Sugar. All right 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.280 now listen. You and I started messaging each other after 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:45.040 Georgia had a school shooting incident on September the fourth, 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.840 and you and I once we started to see a 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:57.760 released video where the alleged shooter, Cole Gray, was interviewed 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:03.280 a year prior to the school shooting. Now, for everybody 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.680 that might not know, in Georgia, a fourteen year old 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.560 Colt Gray has been arrested for a school shooting that 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.440 occurred on September fourth, where he killed four people, two 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:21.800 students and two teachers, and injured nine others. And it 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:27.359 all started about nine thirty eight am, when first period ended, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:33.440 students had about seven minutes between classes. Colt was fixing 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.000 the head to his second period class, which was algebra, 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.839 started about nine forty five. Once he was in the classroom, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.600 he wasn't there long and asked to go to the restroom. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.640 He was given permission. By nine point fifty, his mama 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.760 was calling the school saying there was a quote extreme 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.640 emergency end quote. She had received a text message from 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:02.800 her sign that simply said I'm sorry, so she panicked, 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.200 thinking he was either going to hurt himself or possibly others. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.160 The school administration got involved, the school counselor got involved. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.160 They tried to find where is he right now? They 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.520 determined he was an algebra class. When they went to 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.880 go get him and pulled a student out of class 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.840 to talk to him, it was the wrong student. It 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.560 was a student, same class, same time, same grade, with 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.560 a similar name. Colt comes back for the bathroom. The 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.000 door when it shuts behind you when you leave the 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.480 class locks automatically like a hotel room door. There's a 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.320 small narrow pane of glass in the door where students 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.520 got up to go let him back in, but possibly 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.560 noticed he had a weapon and did not allow him 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.680 entry into the classroom. Very quickly after that, there were 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.200 ten to fifteen shots that rang out. There may have 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:02.120 been an opportunity to intervene a a year before, when 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:07.960 the FBI got intelligence that an IP address associated with 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:13.080 Colt Gray at his former address, had made some statements 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.919 about a school shooting. Now I'm going to be very clear, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.560 Jack and I are not here to Monday Morning quarterback. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.720 We are not saying anyone failed to do their job. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:31.080 We are not saying anybody is responsible for what happened 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.800 on September fourth, except the shooter. What we do want 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.680 to do is talk a little bit about what statement 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:44.320 and analysis can do for you in any investigation, and 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.880 how if they had had those tools, they might have 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.559 been able just on the fly to hear some things 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:56.120 that Colt Gray said or didn't say that might have 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.480 pushed them to talk to him a little longer and 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.560 maybe even more aggressively. So Jack, I'm going to let 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.200 you take it over and I want you just to 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.919 kind of talk to us about as soon as you 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:14.480 saw the video, and Colt's father started talking and then 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.159 he went in the house and he got cold and 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.480 brought him outside. Some of the things that were said 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.240 and what those things meant to you. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.760 Yeah, I think that in statement analysis, Cheryl, you can 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.920 learn a lot about through truth and deception by analyzing 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.200 someone's words, and you can also learn a lot about 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.640 someone's personality and what was in their head at the 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.400 time they're talking. And I think having watched this video, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.840 I get a lot about the father calling what sort 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.920 of person he is, what's important to him, And then 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.920 from Colt I get deception from him around this. I 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.839 think the police went there because there was an allegation 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.160 someone had made a comment about shooting up the school 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.360 on a discord server. It came from their old address. 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.960 They tracked Colt down and they wanted to talk to 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.640 him about that, and so they talked to Colin for 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.279 quite a while, which is interesting within itself. Maybe we'll 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.560 come back to that later. But when Colt comes out finally, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.040 the detective says to or the policeman says to him, Hey, Colt, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.200 what's going on, Bud, so did your dad kind of 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:16.040 explain everything? And then Coleke says he said something about 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.000 shooting up a school and then they detected. The policeman 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.920 sorry again, says this really pertinent question. The question is 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.720 the crux of the whole visit. Did you say something 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.720 about a school shooting? And Colt's answer is never. I 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.480 just told him I don't know what. Maybe they must 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.480 hurt somebody else. I don't remember saying that. And the 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.720 policeman interjects, never ever said, and Colke interrupts and says, no, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.320 I swear now under my system, in those very few words, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.480 there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:52.040 nine indicators that deception could be happening within that answer. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:55.520 So if you had some training in statement analysis, your 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.160 ears would have pricked up at that point and you 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.880 would have asked, you know, some more questions. You would 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.760 have gone, I'm not hearing the truth here, or there's 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.160 a high chance I'm not hearing the truth here. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.400 Jack. Starting with the very first word, yes. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.200 The first word is never. Yes. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:17.720 Never is a really unreliable word. It's very ill defined, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.800 isn't it. I guess it means not ever. But we 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.760 say it never in so many different ways, and it 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.520 never is not synonymous with the word no. So that's 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:29.640 one of the first things I noticed here is it's 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.320 a yes, no, don't no question. That's a question that 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.480 can be answered truthfully with yes, no or I don't know. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.000 And the question is did you say something about a 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.000 school shooting? And instead of saying no, he says never, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.120 And that never is there's no word, there's no proof 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.160 word that proves a lie is being told to you. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.520 You can't just hear something and go yeah, that's definitely 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.280 a lie. But the word never is something that should 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.280 put you on alert here that deception is happening. Lance 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:03.080 Armstrong very famously never taking handsing performance enhancing drugs. So 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.400 never is should just raise your alarm bells and that 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.559 you go, oh, what's going on here. The next one, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.160 he uses the word just, very similar to never. Just 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.240 often leads to deception, not saying every time you hear 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.400 the word just, you're being lied to. But it's a 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.280 word that we use to focus in on just one thing, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.679 you know, So if the whole truth is made up 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.920 of a bundle of colors with just, they're just wanting 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.880 you to focus on just one single part here and 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.080 don't pay attention to any of the other ones. So 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.600 he has the word just there, and then he just 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.760 does not say, no, I did not talk about a 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.200 school shooting, which is what you would expect to hear 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.040 from someone who has not spoken about a school shooting. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.679 And then he offers up all sorts of explanations, maybe 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.079 they misheard somebody else. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.280 Well, look, there's great. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.520 All that's been said here is that someone has made 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.959 a threat or mentioned a school shooting. But he's saying 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.679 there that someone has He knows someone has a threat 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.480 of us school shooting, not read it or you know, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.760 sensed it or anything like that. He knows that someone 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.600 has said something about a school shooting because he says 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:16.480 they misheard somebody else. And then I don't remember saying that. Well, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.640 to not remember saying something, you have to have the 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.360 concept in your head that you may have said it, 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.240 you just don't remember saying it. So though that very 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:31.239 first ten words fifteen words, he says so many indicators 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.840 that deception could be happening in there, and at that 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.119 point that really was an opportunity to drill. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.560 Down and go right, come on, what's going on? 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.520 Here, that's right, absolutely, And you know, just to let 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.480 people understand, think about when you use the word just 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.720 if you're trying to make something not same as bad. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.000 Oh it's just a little checkup. Well, you may know 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.840 it's more than a checkup. You may be real concerned 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.640 about something, but you're trying to comfort your children or 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.360 make it seem like it's probably not going to be 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.400 that big of a deal. If you go to the 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.120 car dealership, Oh this car, Oh, it's just seventy five 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.920 thousand dollars, Just seventy five thousand dollars. But again they're 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.640 lessing it. They're like comparing it to things like this 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.760 is not that expensive. So they're telling you almost a con. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.040 I think that's a great point, which is that not 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.319 all deception is malicious. You know, not all deception involves 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.840 covering up crime or so on. We deceive in our 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.640 lives all the time, you know, we try and minimize 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.360 things or you know, yes, it's no big deal. And 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.040 so actually, if you think about how you deceive someone 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.360 when you're not being malicious, but when you're just trying 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.920 to get your own way or get your own point across, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.960 you will spot that in other people's language if you 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.400 listen to them talk or read what they have written, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:51.679 like like with coked. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:51.920 Here. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.520 He then finishes off with you know the police guy system, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.800 you've never ever said and interrupts. Now, interrupting especially on 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.880 the authority figure, shows. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.800 Attention and a nervousness. There. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.160 Now the police turn off on your porch. You may 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.079 well be tense and nervous, whether you are guilty or innocent. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.199 But again, it's all these data points that come up 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.280 that just indicate deception could be happening. So it interrupts, 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:20.160 and he says, no, I swear, and that is another 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.240 indication that you could be being lied to when people 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.440 start telling you no, honestly, this is what's happening, or 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.520 to tell you the truth. I feel this. Why are 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.480 they indicating that they are being honest. There's I guess 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.200 two reasons. They have not been honest all the other times, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.640 and now they're saying but now I am being honest, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.080 or they just really want you to believe them, which 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.400 is why he's saying, I swear. And it sounds like 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.440 the most solid thing when we say I swear to 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.120 God or you know, on my father's life or things 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.600 like that, but really so often these phrases are used 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.040 to convince someone of a bit of deception, which I 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.240 think is what Colt is doing here with the no 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.800 I swear. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.520 Yep, And again anytime they bring God into it, I 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:07.520 start paying attention. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.800 Yes, it's very much. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.120 There's sort there's a concept called the rezume statement, which 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.160 is when someone tries to say, hey, look what a 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.280 great person I am. Therefore I can't be lying. Therefore 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.559 I can't be deceiving you. And that very much is one. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.360 When they invoke a God, you're supposed to think, oh, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.240 this person is a very religious person. Therefore, if you're 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.720 a very religious person and invoking God's name, then you 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.760 must live in fear of, you know, committing a lie 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.760 and using your God as a cover for it. Therefore, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.160 this person must be telling the truth. Well, actually, the 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.960 reality is very often people will swear to God or 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:50.400 God's honest truth, and those will be used to convince 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.880 us of a deception. The thing is, lying is very 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.400 hard because we don't really think about how we tell 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:56.920 the truth. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.560 So well, do the lie. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.760 With things like I swear to God or I swear 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.559 or honestly, and we'll repeat the lie a few times, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.560 because we think the more that we say the lie, 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.600 the more likely that lie is to be believed absolutely. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.000 And most people can't do it twice. Most people cannot 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.800 say the same lie twice. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.000 The reason that statement analysis works is that lying is 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.240 one of the hardest things that we have to do, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.760 because you have to construct a lie in your head. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.880 You know, you have to be creative and make it up. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.080 You have to make sure that lie as you know 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.560 it in your head matches the truth as other people 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.960 might know it. You know, you can't say that you 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.480 were somewhere when you know that someone else saw you 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.440 somewhere else. So your lie has to match all these 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.280 facts that other people know. You have to remember that 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.640 lie and you have to which is not easy because 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.840 it's stored in a different part of your brain from 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.280 where things you actually experienced are stored, and you have 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.240 to not get it mixed up with the truth that's 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.520 in you're that different part of your brain. Therefore, lying 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.600 is so hard. There's indicators verbally that you're lying, but 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.080 also the truth will just leak out because the truth 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.120 is in your head, it's in a very different place 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.600 from where the lie is constructed, and little indicators will 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.320 come out in her words as to what the truth is. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.720 Jack, I hope everybody is listening to you so intently, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:25.080 because if y'all remember Scott Peterson the night before he 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.440 told Lacy and his sister law he was gonna go golfing. Well, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.400 then he was seen at the marinay, so then he 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.920 had to change it. Oh no, I went vision because 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.480 it was too cold to play golf. Now it was 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.640 too cold to play golf, but it's not too cold 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.640 to get on a boat on water and have that 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.320 wind and water hit you. I mean again, your lives 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.160 are not going to make sense. You can't keep up 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.800 with them. And then it's well, you didn't tell anybody 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.920 you even had a boat. I mean, it's one thing 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.280 after the other after the other. Then he's got a lie. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.600 Oh well, I wanted to surprise my father in law, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.520 but you didn't. You never even surprised, asked him with 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.240 So you're going to fail. And the more you talk 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.920 the better. So now after he says I swear, then 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.040 what happens after. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:11.520 He says I swear? 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.680 Now this is another classic deception technique. The policeman says, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.880 so you use discord and Colt replies Discord with a 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.200 raised inflection, which implies a question back. And this is 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.960 a deceptive technique to buy thinking time. So if you 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.840 get a question and a response to a question, this 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.720 is to allow the person to think of what is 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.240 that they want to say. They don't have the perfect 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.520 words formed in their head yet to answer the question 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.640 the way they want to answer the question, so they 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.160 ask the question back in order to buy themselves some 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.320 thinking time. Hopefully the person that asked the first question 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.760 will come back with a clarification or you know, some 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.600 more information. They don't really want that clarification or more information, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.280 They just want the thing time to form the answer 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.879 that that will best serve their lie. So when he 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.240 says Discord has a question, the police guy says yes, sir, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.879 and he says um, which again means he's still thinking 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.720 about the answer because he's put this um in there. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.840 I used to, but I haven't, is what he says 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.800 on the end of that. So, you know, we are 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.720 so sure this must have lasted about fifteen seconds on 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.840 that video. But just pop pop, pop pop, These red 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.399 flags of deception are popping up. At the very least, 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.520 we can surmise that he is tense and nervous around 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.560 these questions, that he is not wanting to give straight 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.560 answers to them, and that is just prime. Let's dig 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.640 deeper into what's going on here, you know, like I say, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.840 there's nothing that says, hey, this guy's definitely lying. But 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.800 there's so many red flags and indicators just in these 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.520 words that this was primed to put a little bit 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.480 more pressure on or to ask, you know, reask the 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.520 questions and re ask the question rather than just accepting 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.640 the first answer you hear when there are so many 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:04.840 red flags going on there. 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.199 I can't agree with you more because I remember I 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.160 could not reach out to you fast enough, and I 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.440 was like, Jack, please tell me you're watching this because 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.639 it was for me the same flag flag flag, flag, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.320 flag flag. I mean, you couldn't miss it if you 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:24.399 had had this training. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:29.280 Yes, and these are the things we've noticed so far. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.200 So you don't have to spend weeks or months studying 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.960 in a classroom, but really just picking up some of 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.080 these red flag words and some of these techniques that 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.679 people will use, like the question and response to a question, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.320 and when you're aware of them, all of a sudden, 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.919 you can just understand a little bit more about what 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.879 is going on in the head of the person you 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.360 were talking to in order to just work out are 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.320 they telling you the truth? 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:56.320 Are they deceiving me? 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.440 It wouldn't take a lot, really, just to learn a 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.480 little bit more about that. And I think the other thing, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.080 I like you, I do not do a law enforcement job. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.400 So much respect for people that put themselves out there 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.440 every single day doing that. But I think these two 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.600 guys that went to the porch could have spent a 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.120 little bit more time listening and a little bit less 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:22.000 time talking to call it Colin and call as well, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.520 because I felt like they were trying to build a 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.400 rapport rather than sitting back a bit and just trying 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.359 to listen to what it is that they were saying. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:34.880 Agreed, So what comes next for you in this statement? 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.159 Well, what kind of baffles me about this, Cheryl is 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.200 the next question is still about discord. It's when was 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:42.879 the last time you used it? And he says like 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.840 a few months ago. And then I think his dad 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:47.880 says to him, was it at Traditions which is where 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.760 they used to live, or was it here? And he says, no, 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.200 it was at Traditions. Because the discord account that I had, 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.280 I have deleted it before. Because the Discord account that 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.320 I had had, I deleted it before. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.359 So that's not a sentence. It makes a lot of sense. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.080 And again, when we're talking about how hard it is 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.760 to lie when you don't have authentic experience, turning you know, 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.880 something you have experienced into words is quite easy. And 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.920 when you are relaying something that you have experienced, your 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.639 words will flow and they will sound natural, and they 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.760 will come to you. You know, what you saw, what 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.400 you did, what you experienced. When you have to make 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.160 something up and you haven't experienced it, it's a completely 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.040 different process in inventing the words in your brain and 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.359 then sending those words down to your mouth to be said. 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.480 So when he says, because in that discord account that 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.360 I had, I have deleted it before, it just doesn't 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.520 make any sense. Again, you know, at the very least, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.760 this is someone very nervous. But also it's just not 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.640 adding up and it's just not flowing. And again I'm 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.639 not saying when someone talks and it doesn't flow, they 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.760 are lying to you. What I am saying is they 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.320 could be. You know, it's an indicator that they could be. Now, 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.320 what I don't get about any of this is that 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.480 that's practically what the allegation was. At traditions they used 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.840 to live, someone mentioned a school shooting on Discord, and 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.760 so far he has been really dodgy about whether he 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.760 made a reference to a school shooting or not. And 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.560 he has said, I used to have discord where we 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.280 used to live, so I e. Where the the ip 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.440 IP address was traced to. But I've deleted it. Well, 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.760 that again should be enough to go, yeah, there is 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.840 something going on here, guys. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.280 Well for me, when he said I deleted it before, 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:34.080 the next obvious question should have been before what Yes, 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.719 what happened to make you delete it? 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:38.199 Yes, exactly that. 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.560 There's another part just later on where, to be fair, 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.560 they do go and they ask the question again about have. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:46.840 You mentioned a school shooting? 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.560 Although it's asking a bit of a wishy washy way, 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.520 which is are you saying you didn't say anything like that? 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:59.560 Which is minimizing's what the allegation is. And I think 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.240 it would have been more helpful for them to state 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.160 it again. Can I just be clear you didn't make 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.840 any comment about a school shooting, but that's not what happened. 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.200 They said, you didn't say anything like that, and coach 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.440 reply is no, the only thing I have is TikTok 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.560 and I just go there to watch videos, which doesn't 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.520 answer the question. It does not answer the question. Instead 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.760 of saying no, I've never mentioned school shooting online at all, 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.560 he says, here's a social media act I've got. I 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:32.520