1 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: I am drained. I've been looking for her for twenty 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: four hours. They should have taken me instead of her. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Now that's a direct quote, y'all. And if you were 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: watching TV that night when the boyfriend of a mother 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: of a two year old child was making a statement 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: on TV, you might have thought, Man, this poor guy, 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: he's been searching for this baby and Kate Finder. But 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: if you had taken statement analysis like I have, there's 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: some things about that statement that would have made you 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: sick to your stomach. Later they found that the boyfriend 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: had dumped the two year old's body and a storm drain. 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: Statement analysis is something that I believe every rookie officer 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: and seasoned detective should have. I believe prosecutors in CSI 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: and EMTs and paramedics should have it. Anyone that could 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: possibly hear a spontaneous utterance from a victim or a 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: suspect or a witness should have statement analysis. Y'all Tonight, 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: we are lucky to have with us Jack Fox. He's 18 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: a former media professional who shifted his focus from influencing 19 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: people with his own words to uncovering how others use 20 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: their words to deceive. He has analyzed statements of serial killers, 21 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: public apologies, disgrace celebrities. We've had a few of those lately. 22 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: And he has developed a system that has over fifty 23 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: indicators to assess the truthfulness or deception in statements. Now 24 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: y'all can follow him and has an allo says on 25 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: his own channel, never a truer word. His clients include 26 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement, private investigators, human resource professionals, investigative journalists, and 27 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: private individuals. Jack Fox, Welcome to z own seven. 28 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: Hey, Cheryl, thank you so much for having me. It's 29 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: such an honor to be here. 30 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm digging the accent. We're going to have a 31 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: good time. Maybe we can understand each other the whole 32 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: way through. 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to talk very slowly and clearly. 34 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh I love the way you talked, Sugar. All right 35 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: now listen. You and I started messaging each other after 36 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Georgia had a school shooting incident on September the fourth, 37 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: and you and I once we started to see a 38 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: released video where the alleged shooter, Cole Gray, was interviewed 39 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: a year prior to the school shooting. Now, for everybody 40 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: that might not know, in Georgia, a fourteen year old 41 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Colt Gray has been arrested for a school shooting that 42 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: occurred on September fourth, where he killed four people, two 43 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: students and two teachers, and injured nine others. And it 44 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: all started about nine thirty eight am, when first period ended, 45 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: students had about seven minutes between classes. Colt was fixing 46 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: the head to his second period class, which was algebra, 47 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: started about nine forty five. Once he was in the classroom, 48 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't there long and asked to go to the restroom. 49 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: He was given permission. By nine point fifty, his mama 50 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: was calling the school saying there was a quote extreme 51 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: emergency end quote. She had received a text message from 52 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: her sign that simply said I'm sorry, so she panicked, 53 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: thinking he was either going to hurt himself or possibly others. 54 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: The school administration got involved, the school counselor got involved. 55 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: They tried to find where is he right now? They 56 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: determined he was an algebra class. When they went to 57 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: go get him and pulled a student out of class 58 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: to talk to him, it was the wrong student. It 59 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: was a student, same class, same time, same grade, with 60 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: a similar name. Colt comes back for the bathroom. The 61 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: door when it shuts behind you when you leave the 62 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: class locks automatically like a hotel room door. There's a 63 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: small narrow pane of glass in the door where students 64 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: got up to go let him back in, but possibly 65 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: noticed he had a weapon and did not allow him 66 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: entry into the classroom. Very quickly after that, there were 67 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen shots that rang out. There may have 68 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: been an opportunity to intervene a a year before, when 69 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: the FBI got intelligence that an IP address associated with 70 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: Colt Gray at his former address, had made some statements 71 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: about a school shooting. Now I'm going to be very clear, 72 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Jack and I are not here to Monday Morning quarterback. 73 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: We are not saying anyone failed to do their job. 74 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: We are not saying anybody is responsible for what happened 75 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: on September fourth, except the shooter. What we do want 76 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: to do is talk a little bit about what statement 77 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: and analysis can do for you in any investigation, and 78 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: how if they had had those tools, they might have 79 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: been able just on the fly to hear some things 80 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: that Colt Gray said or didn't say that might have 81 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: pushed them to talk to him a little longer and 82 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: maybe even more aggressively. So Jack, I'm going to let 83 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: you take it over and I want you just to 84 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: kind of talk to us about as soon as you 85 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: saw the video, and Colt's father started talking and then 86 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: he went in the house and he got cold and 87 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: brought him outside. Some of the things that were said 88 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: and what those things meant to you. 89 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that in statement analysis, Cheryl, you can 90 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: learn a lot about through truth and deception by analyzing 91 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: someone's words, and you can also learn a lot about 92 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: someone's personality and what was in their head at the 93 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: time they're talking. And I think having watched this video, 94 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: I get a lot about the father calling what sort 95 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: of person he is, what's important to him, And then 96 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: from Colt I get deception from him around this. I 97 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: think the police went there because there was an allegation 98 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: someone had made a comment about shooting up the school 99 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: on a discord server. It came from their old address. 100 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: They tracked Colt down and they wanted to talk to 101 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: him about that, and so they talked to Colin for 102 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: quite a while, which is interesting within itself. Maybe we'll 103 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: come back to that later. But when Colt comes out finally, 104 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: the detective says to or the policeman says to him, Hey, Colt, 105 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: what's going on, Bud, so did your dad kind of 106 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: explain everything? And then Coleke says he said something about 107 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: shooting up a school and then they detected. The policeman 108 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: sorry again, says this really pertinent question. The question is 109 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: the crux of the whole visit. Did you say something 110 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: about a school shooting? And Colt's answer is never. I 111 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: just told him I don't know what. Maybe they must 112 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: hurt somebody else. I don't remember saying that. And the 113 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: policeman interjects, never ever said, and Colke interrupts and says, no, 114 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: I swear now under my system, in those very few words, 115 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight 116 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: nine indicators that deception could be happening within that answer. 117 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: So if you had some training in statement analysis, your 118 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: ears would have pricked up at that point and you 119 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: would have asked, you know, some more questions. You would 120 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: have gone, I'm not hearing the truth here, or there's 121 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: a high chance I'm not hearing the truth here. 122 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: Jack. Starting with the very first word, yes. 123 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: The first word is never. Yes. 124 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: Never is a really unreliable word. It's very ill defined, 125 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: isn't it. I guess it means not ever. But we 126 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: say it never in so many different ways, and it 127 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: never is not synonymous with the word no. So that's 128 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: one of the first things I noticed here is it's 129 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: a yes, no, don't no question. That's a question that 130 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: can be answered truthfully with yes, no or I don't know. 131 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: And the question is did you say something about a 132 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: school shooting? And instead of saying no, he says never, 133 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: And that never is there's no word, there's no proof 134 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: word that proves a lie is being told to you. 135 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: You can't just hear something and go yeah, that's definitely 136 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: a lie. But the word never is something that should 137 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: put you on alert here that deception is happening. Lance 138 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: Armstrong very famously never taking handsing performance enhancing drugs. So 139 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: never is should just raise your alarm bells and that 140 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: you go, oh, what's going on here. The next one, 141 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: he uses the word just, very similar to never. Just 142 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: often leads to deception, not saying every time you hear 143 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: the word just, you're being lied to. But it's a 144 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: word that we use to focus in on just one thing, 145 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: you know, So if the whole truth is made up 146 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: of a bundle of colors with just, they're just wanting 147 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: you to focus on just one single part here and 148 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: don't pay attention to any of the other ones. So 149 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: he has the word just there, and then he just 150 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: does not say, no, I did not talk about a 151 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: school shooting, which is what you would expect to hear 152 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: from someone who has not spoken about a school shooting. 153 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: And then he offers up all sorts of explanations, maybe 154 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: they misheard somebody else. 155 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: Well, look, there's great. 156 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: All that's been said here is that someone has made 157 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 2: a threat or mentioned a school shooting. But he's saying 158 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: there that someone has He knows someone has a threat 159 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: of us school shooting, not read it or you know, 160 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: sensed it or anything like that. He knows that someone 161 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: has said something about a school shooting because he says 162 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: they misheard somebody else. And then I don't remember saying that. Well, 163 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: to not remember saying something, you have to have the 164 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: concept in your head that you may have said it, 165 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: you just don't remember saying it. So though that very 166 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,239 Speaker 2: first ten words fifteen words, he says so many indicators 167 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: that deception could be happening in there, and at that 168 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,119 Speaker 2: point that really was an opportunity to drill. 169 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: Down and go right, come on, what's going on? 170 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: Here, that's right, absolutely, And you know, just to let 171 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: people understand, think about when you use the word just 172 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: if you're trying to make something not same as bad. 173 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Oh it's just a little checkup. Well, you may know 174 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: it's more than a checkup. You may be real concerned 175 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: about something, but you're trying to comfort your children or 176 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: make it seem like it's probably not going to be 177 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. If you go to the 178 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: car dealership, Oh this car, Oh, it's just seventy five 179 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Just seventy five thousand dollars. But again they're 180 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: lessing it. They're like comparing it to things like this 181 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: is not that expensive. So they're telling you almost a con. 182 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: I think that's a great point, which is that not 183 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: all deception is malicious. You know, not all deception involves 184 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: covering up crime or so on. We deceive in our 185 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: lives all the time, you know, we try and minimize 186 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: things or you know, yes, it's no big deal. And 187 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: so actually, if you think about how you deceive someone 188 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: when you're not being malicious, but when you're just trying 189 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: to get your own way or get your own point across, 190 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: you will spot that in other people's language if you 191 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: listen to them talk or read what they have written, 192 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: like like with coked. 193 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: Here. 194 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: He then finishes off with you know the police guy system, 195 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: you've never ever said and interrupts. Now, interrupting especially on 196 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: the authority figure, shows. 197 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: Attention and a nervousness. There. 198 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: Now the police turn off on your porch. You may 199 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: well be tense and nervous, whether you are guilty or innocent. 200 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: But again, it's all these data points that come up 201 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: that just indicate deception could be happening. So it interrupts, 202 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: and he says, no, I swear, and that is another 203 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: indication that you could be being lied to when people 204 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: start telling you no, honestly, this is what's happening, or 205 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: to tell you the truth. I feel this. Why are 206 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: they indicating that they are being honest. There's I guess 207 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: two reasons. They have not been honest all the other times, 208 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: and now they're saying but now I am being honest, 209 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: or they just really want you to believe them, which 210 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: is why he's saying, I swear. And it sounds like 211 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: the most solid thing when we say I swear to 212 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: God or you know, on my father's life or things 213 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: like that, but really so often these phrases are used 214 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: to convince someone of a bit of deception, which I 215 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: think is what Colt is doing here with the no 216 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: I swear. 217 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Yep, And again anytime they bring God into it, I 218 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: start paying attention. 219 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: Yes, it's very much. 220 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: There's sort there's a concept called the rezume statement, which 221 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: is when someone tries to say, hey, look what a 222 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: great person I am. Therefore I can't be lying. Therefore 223 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 2: I can't be deceiving you. And that very much is one. 224 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: When they invoke a God, you're supposed to think, oh, 225 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: this person is a very religious person. Therefore, if you're 226 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: a very religious person and invoking God's name, then you 227 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: must live in fear of, you know, committing a lie 228 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: and using your God as a cover for it. Therefore, 229 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: this person must be telling the truth. Well, actually, the 230 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: reality is very often people will swear to God or 231 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: God's honest truth, and those will be used to convince 232 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: us of a deception. The thing is, lying is very 233 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: hard because we don't really think about how we tell 234 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: the truth. 235 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: So well, do the lie. 236 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: With things like I swear to God or I swear 237 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: or honestly, and we'll repeat the lie a few times, 238 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: because we think the more that we say the lie, 239 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: the more likely that lie is to be believed absolutely. 240 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: And most people can't do it twice. Most people cannot 241 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: say the same lie twice. 242 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: The reason that statement analysis works is that lying is 243 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: one of the hardest things that we have to do, 244 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: because you have to construct a lie in your head. 245 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: You know, you have to be creative and make it up. 246 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: You have to make sure that lie as you know 247 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: it in your head matches the truth as other people 248 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: might know it. You know, you can't say that you 249 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: were somewhere when you know that someone else saw you 250 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: somewhere else. So your lie has to match all these 251 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: facts that other people know. You have to remember that 252 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: lie and you have to which is not easy because 253 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: it's stored in a different part of your brain from 254 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: where things you actually experienced are stored, and you have 255 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: to not get it mixed up with the truth that's 256 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: in you're that different part of your brain. Therefore, lying 257 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: is so hard. There's indicators verbally that you're lying, but 258 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: also the truth will just leak out because the truth 259 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: is in your head, it's in a very different place 260 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: from where the lie is constructed, and little indicators will 261 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: come out in her words as to what the truth is. 262 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: Jack, I hope everybody is listening to you so intently, 263 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: because if y'all remember Scott Peterson the night before he 264 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: told Lacy and his sister law he was gonna go golfing. Well, 265 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: then he was seen at the marinay, so then he 266 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: had to change it. Oh no, I went vision because 267 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: it was too cold to play golf. Now it was 268 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: too cold to play golf, but it's not too cold 269 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: to get on a boat on water and have that 270 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: wind and water hit you. I mean again, your lives 271 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: are not going to make sense. You can't keep up 272 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: with them. And then it's well, you didn't tell anybody 273 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: you even had a boat. I mean, it's one thing 274 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: after the other after the other. Then he's got a lie. 275 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, I wanted to surprise my father in law, 276 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: but you didn't. You never even surprised, asked him with 277 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: So you're going to fail. And the more you talk 278 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: the better. So now after he says I swear, then 279 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: what happens after. 280 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: He says I swear? 281 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: Now this is another classic deception technique. The policeman says, 282 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: so you use discord and Colt replies Discord with a 283 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: raised inflection, which implies a question back. And this is 284 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: a deceptive technique to buy thinking time. So if you 285 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: get a question and a response to a question, this 286 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: is to allow the person to think of what is 287 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: that they want to say. They don't have the perfect 288 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: words formed in their head yet to answer the question 289 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: the way they want to answer the question, so they 290 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: ask the question back in order to buy themselves some 291 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: thinking time. Hopefully the person that asked the first question 292 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: will come back with a clarification or you know, some 293 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: more information. They don't really want that clarification or more information, 294 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: They just want the thing time to form the answer 295 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: that that will best serve their lie. So when he 296 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: says Discord has a question, the police guy says yes, sir, 297 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: and he says um, which again means he's still thinking 298 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: about the answer because he's put this um in there. 299 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: I used to, but I haven't, is what he says 300 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: on the end of that. So, you know, we are 301 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: so sure this must have lasted about fifteen seconds on 302 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: that video. But just pop pop, pop pop, These red 303 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: flags of deception are popping up. At the very least, 304 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: we can surmise that he is tense and nervous around 305 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: these questions, that he is not wanting to give straight 306 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: answers to them, and that is just prime. Let's dig 307 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: deeper into what's going on here, you know, like I say, 308 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: there's nothing that says, hey, this guy's definitely lying. But 309 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: there's so many red flags and indicators just in these 310 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: words that this was primed to put a little bit 311 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: more pressure on or to ask, you know, reask the 312 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: questions and re ask the question rather than just accepting 313 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: the first answer you hear when there are so many 314 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: red flags going on there. 315 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: I can't agree with you more because I remember I 316 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: could not reach out to you fast enough, and I 317 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: was like, Jack, please tell me you're watching this because 318 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: it was for me the same flag flag flag, flag, 319 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: flag flag. I mean, you couldn't miss it if you 320 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: had had this training. 321 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and these are the things we've noticed so far. 322 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: So you don't have to spend weeks or months studying 323 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: in a classroom, but really just picking up some of 324 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: these red flag words and some of these techniques that 325 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: people will use, like the question and response to a question, 326 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: and when you're aware of them, all of a sudden, 327 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: you can just understand a little bit more about what 328 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: is going on in the head of the person you 329 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 2: were talking to in order to just work out are 330 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: they telling you the truth? 331 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: Are they deceiving me? 332 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: It wouldn't take a lot, really, just to learn a 333 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: little bit more about that. And I think the other thing, 334 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: I like you, I do not do a law enforcement job. 335 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: So much respect for people that put themselves out there 336 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: every single day doing that. But I think these two 337 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: guys that went to the porch could have spent a 338 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: little bit more time listening and a little bit less 339 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: time talking to call it Colin and call as well, 340 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: because I felt like they were trying to build a 341 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: rapport rather than sitting back a bit and just trying 342 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: to listen to what it is that they were saying. 343 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: Agreed, So what comes next for you in this statement? 344 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: Well, what kind of baffles me about this, Cheryl is 345 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: the next question is still about discord. It's when was 346 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: the last time you used it? And he says like 347 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: a few months ago. And then I think his dad 348 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: says to him, was it at Traditions which is where 349 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: they used to live, or was it here? And he says, no, 350 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: it was at Traditions. Because the discord account that I had, 351 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: I have deleted it before. Because the Discord account that 352 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: I had had, I deleted it before. 353 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: So that's not a sentence. It makes a lot of sense. 354 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: And again, when we're talking about how hard it is 355 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: to lie when you don't have authentic experience, turning you know, 356 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: something you have experienced into words is quite easy. And 357 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 2: when you are relaying something that you have experienced, your 358 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: words will flow and they will sound natural, and they 359 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: will come to you. You know, what you saw, what 360 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: you did, what you experienced. When you have to make 361 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: something up and you haven't experienced it, it's a completely 362 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: different process in inventing the words in your brain and 363 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: then sending those words down to your mouth to be said. 364 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: So when he says, because in that discord account that 365 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 2: I had, I have deleted it before, it just doesn't 366 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: make any sense. Again, you know, at the very least, 367 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: this is someone very nervous. But also it's just not 368 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: adding up and it's just not flowing. And again I'm 369 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: not saying when someone talks and it doesn't flow, they 370 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: are lying to you. What I am saying is they 371 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: could be. You know, it's an indicator that they could be. Now, 372 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: what I don't get about any of this is that 373 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: that's practically what the allegation was. At traditions they used 374 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: to live, someone mentioned a school shooting on Discord, and 375 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: so far he has been really dodgy about whether he 376 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: made a reference to a school shooting or not. And 377 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: he has said, I used to have discord where we 378 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: used to live, so I e. Where the the ip 379 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: IP address was traced to. But I've deleted it. Well, 380 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: that again should be enough to go, yeah, there is 381 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: something going on here, guys. 382 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Well for me, when he said I deleted it before, 383 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: the next obvious question should have been before what Yes, 384 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: what happened to make you delete it? 385 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly that. 386 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: There's another part just later on where, to be fair, 387 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: they do go and they ask the question again about have. 388 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: You mentioned a school shooting? 389 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: Although it's asking a bit of a wishy washy way, 390 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: which is are you saying you didn't say anything like that? 391 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: Which is minimizing's what the allegation is. And I think 392 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: it would have been more helpful for them to state 393 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: it again. Can I just be clear you didn't make 394 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: any comment about a school shooting, but that's not what happened. 395 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: They said, you didn't say anything like that, and coach 396 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 2: reply is no, the only thing I have is TikTok 397 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: and I just go there to watch videos, which doesn't 398 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: answer the question. It does not answer the question. Instead 399 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: of saying no, I've never mentioned school shooting online at all, 400 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: he says, here's a social media act I've got. I 401 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: watched videos on TikTok. So he's once more he's dodged 402 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: and not being very firm on a denial of did 403 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: he mention a school shooting online at some point? 404 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: That's right, And the concern for me was he's explaining 405 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: what he uses TikTok for, which is not necessary. If 406 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: somebody says I have Facebook, you have Facebook. Correct, if 407 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: you have TikTok, you have TikTok. But if you make 408 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: a point of saying I only use it to watch videos, 409 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: that tells me there may very well be a video 410 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: out there of cold Yes. 411 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: Also, to go to your point about before he's asked, 412 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: have you heard anybody on discord when you were using 413 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: it saying something like that, do you remember that? And 414 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: he buys thinking time by asking a question back. But 415 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: the question he asks is like at that time. So 416 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: once again at that time, well what time, because the 417 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: only time that's under discussion here is the time that 418 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: someone made a reference to a school shooting online. So 419 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: he's leaking here, and that's what I said. You know, 420 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 2: the truth will leak out in your words because it's 421 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: very hard to lie. He's leaking here that he knows 422 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: the sensitive time. So from being told the police want 423 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: to talk to you about something about school shooting on discord, 424 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: he's come out. He's not been given any information by 425 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: the police at all, but he knows exactly when it happened, 426 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: and the fact he can't remember it and so on. 427 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: He's really leaking. 428 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: I am aware of this that you guys have come 429 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: to talk to me about. 430 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: He's thirteen. 431 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: His thinking processes language isn't going to be massively sophisticated, 432 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 2: which is actually useful in detecting deception in words. You know, 433 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: we can tell when a five year old is lying 434 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: to a straight away, can't we, because you know, it's 435 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: so obvious. And as we grow older, we get more 436 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: sophisticated and more sophisticated. But at thirteen, actually he's very 437 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: unsophisticated in this, and he's leaking left right and center 438 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: that he is aware, at the very least in his 439 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: own words, he is aware of an event where a 440 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: school shooting was mentioned. He hasn't said it was him, 441 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: but he's very much aware of a school shooting being 442 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: mentioned event just by looking at what he said, not 443 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: even decoding and you know, looking at hidden meanings behind 444 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: words or anything like that, but actually just paying attention 445 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: to the words that he uses. 446 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: That's an excellent point. That was an excellent grab right there. 447 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: The other thing I think these guys should have noticed 448 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: is that I'm not going to pull any punches here. 449 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: Colin lie to them, and he therefore again and this 450 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: is again, this is not just decoding special words or 451 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 2: anything like that, but a couple of times he lied 452 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 2: to them and then contradicted himself further on down in 453 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: what he said, and that should put them on red 454 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: alert again that you know someone is And then Colins lies. 455 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: I'll talk you through one of them. That they are 456 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: kind of feel like image management lies, you know, so 457 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: trying to create a rosier picture of things than they were. 458 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 2: But when they ask if they can speak to Cote, 459 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: and Colin says, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, another red 460 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: flag word do watch out for that again, like never 461 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: is not synonymous with no, Absolutely is not synonymous with yes, 462 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: it's not doesn't quite mean the same thing as yes. 463 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: But he says, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and then to prove 464 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: that absolutely is a red flag word. I think he 465 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: talks to them for another two minutes to delay going 466 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: to get Colt and trying to do this image management job, 467 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: and he talks about the trauma they had as separating 468 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: as a family, but he says, since we've moved here, 469 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: we've been good, like no problems, and then he goes 470 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: to outline all the problems they've had at school, no 471 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: less as we go, So he's actually lied. He said 472 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: no problems, and there have been problems, and he tells 473 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: them what the problems is. He'd, you know, I want 474 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: to go easy on these law enforcement guys. But he 475 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: mentions problems at school, and he's not even asked about 476 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: how his call at school or does he have any 477 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: problems at school. He volunteers that the Colt has problems 478 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: at school, that he's been picked on, that he has 479 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 2: to go to the school. He's been to the school 480 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: multiple times. He says he's never away from there. He 481 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: says we're on first name terms because I'm there that often. 482 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: Trust me, you don't go to school a lot of 483 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: your child as an angel in behaving and getting great grades. 484 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 2: So there are obviously real problems here and Colin has 485 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: lied about that as well, which is you know, he 486 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: said everything's fine, no problems, and then he indicates lots 487 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: of problems. 488 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: That's right, he said, the child and bullied. He said 489 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: that he goes up there all the time. He said 490 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: I was just there three times, which you can get 491 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: into that if you want to. And then my favorite 492 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: is when you know he reiterates that the two younger 493 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: siblings left and went with their mother, so it's almost 494 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: like he was left behind by her. 495 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: Well, it gets interesting around that because the police guys 496 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: say to Colin. One of the first questions he is 497 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: you have kids or anything, and Colin says, yeah, Colt 498 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: great cult he's my older son, so I get the 499 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: family split. But he doesn't say I've got three kids 500 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: and one of them is here, so he only mentions 501 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: one of those kids. So the police have said we're 502 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: here to talk about a threat to shoot up the school, 503 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 2: do you have kids? 504 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: And he only mentions one kid. Well, why is that? 505 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: Is that because that's the one kid that he's linking 506 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 2: to a school shooting or a threat to shoot up 507 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: the school. It's you know, the flags that indicators are 508 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: just really really going off here. 509 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was pretty major that he knew why they 510 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: were there. 511 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 3: He had a real indication why they were there. 512 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: He you know, I believe if you look at when 513 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: I say, you can get the personality from someone. Colin 514 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: is a very controlling personality. He uses phrases like now 515 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: look at the very start of an answer, which is, 516 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, I am going to try and control you. 517 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what's important. I'm going to 518 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: tell you what it is that you need to know here. 519 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: So I get the impression he's a very controlling person 520 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: And again when he talks about going up to the school, 521 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: he talks about going to the school to tell them 522 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: how to handle his son, not that the school have 523 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: called him in because there are behavioral issues with cold 524 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: that he's addressed and they want to do it in 525 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: a you know, collegiate between home and school sort of way. No, 526 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: he's always says, in his words, he's going up there 527 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: to tell them how to treat Colt and how to 528 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: manage cope. So I get the impression this guy is 529 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: a re controlling character. 530 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: He does it to the officers there on his porch. Yes, 531 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: he says, yeah, I'll go getting but look he's going 532 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: to get red faced, he's going to be nervous and upset, y'all. 533 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Just you know, come at him like calmly. He's telling 534 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: them how to go at his son, who they received 535 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: information had made threats he was going to shoot up 536 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: a school. 537 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: Which is just again, he just has this controlling personality, 538 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: you know, he really wants to set the scene for 539 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: how this is. The other thing I noticed is that 540 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: he asks several times. And another concept that's really important 541 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: in statement analysis is the things that we repeat, or 542 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 2: the concepts that we repeat are very important to us, 543 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: and we can try and work out potentially why these 544 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: things are important to us. He asks several times for 545 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: the police to tell them what they find in the 546 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: course of their investigations, which I've read a lot of 547 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: books about serial killers, and that's how they operate. They like, 548 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: to a lot of them, like to integrate themselves into 549 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: the you know, stay close to the police investigation into 550 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: the serial killer, so they can find out what is 551 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: going on, and he does that several times. He doesn't 552 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: say why he wants this information. He just says, Oh, 553 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: just let us know what you find. And you know, 554 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: have you got a card so you can I can 555 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: contact you. And I think that was very telling as well. 556 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: He definitely wanted to be very close to that that 557 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: police investigation into. 558 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: This in the beginning when he finally comes outside, because y'all, 559 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: when he first opened the door, he wasn't wearing pants, 560 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: so he said, he put some pants on and I'll 561 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: be back. But when he comes back out, he tells 562 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: them that he's part of a law enforcement family, like 563 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I have nothing but respect for you guys, like he's 564 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: trying to bond. Then when he goes in and gets 565 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: cold and he opens the door, he says to him, hey, 566 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: these are good guys. Okay, first of all, you don't 567 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: know they're good guys. You don't know whether or not 568 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: they're here to arrest your son or to arrest both 569 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: of you or harass you about something. But he, to me, 570 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: is almost conning. 571 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: Now Now, I would agree with you that he was 572 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: trying to build report around law enforcement by saying, come, 573 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: my family's in law enforcement. But what is really interesting 574 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: there is he says, when he meets the officer that's 575 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: called him out to this situation at his old house, 576 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: he says, I can't think of the officer's name. Turns 577 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: out nicest guy like ever. Now that turns out is interesting. 578 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: There was it that has experience of law enforcement is 579 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: he does not like any of them, or very many 580 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: of them. And he finds it very interesting, very interesting 581 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: that he's turned out this is a nice guy. We 582 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: turned out as a surprise, don't we. You know, it's 583 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: not like, oh, it turned out to be a great day, 584 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: is you know? I wasn't expecting it to be a 585 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: great day, but it's turned out to be a great day. 586 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: I was expecting a law enforcement person to be the 587 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: nicest person, a great guy, but he was. So there's 588 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: a bit of a disdain there. 589 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: The other thing, Jack, fuck, you're good. You are good, honey. 590 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: The other thing in what was very interesting was when 591 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: he was asked about guns in the house and he's asked, 592 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: let me ask you this, do you have weapons in 593 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: the house? And Colin's answer is I do, perfect honest answer, 594 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: very short, very straightforward, just deals with the thing that 595 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: you were asked, so there's an honest answer for you 596 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: from someone. And I think what's really useful is even 597 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: the worst criminals will answer some questions honestly, especially ones 598 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: around what's your date of birth? 599 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: How old are you? Where do you live? 600 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: And they're great at just seeing how someone answers a 601 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: question honestly, a question that you've got no need to 602 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: lie about, And he says, I do very straightforward. He's 603 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: then asked accessible to him by him they mean colt, 604 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: and he says they are. I mean there's nothing loaded, 605 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: but they are there. We actually we do a lot 606 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: of shooting. We do a lot of deer hunting. He 607 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: shot his first deer this year. You know, so I'm 608 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: pretty much in shock to be honest with you. I'm 609 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: a little paid off to be even really honest with you, 610 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: if that's what was said. 611 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 3: But so he's asked are the guns accessible to him? 612 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 2: And he goes into this long story, this extra He's 613 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: not been asked about what do you do with the guns? 614 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: He's not being asked about where the ammunition is. But 615 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: he tries to give this, Hey, you know, we're just 616 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: a hunting and shooting type of family. So we're all 617 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: normal around guns and there's no issues there whatsoever. But 618 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: he's felt the need to offer this information as extra 619 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: to the question, which was are these guns accessible to Colt? 620 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: And I thought that was really interesting that he was. 621 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: I think Colin really realized the danger that was happening here. 622 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 2: He realized what could be going on, and I think 623 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: that he is trying to downplay that to these police 624 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: guys so that they don't dig much much deeper. 625 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: Interesting, So did it blow your mind when you found 626 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: out what Colin go cult for Christmas? 627 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: What I try to do, I try not to read 628 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: too much about cases that I analyze so that I 629 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: don't get called pulled into tobias. 630 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: But I have seen this and it's entirely, entirely consistent. 631 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 2: With the words that are there. Calling is a big 632 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: gun guy. He likes to think and likes to believe 633 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: that this is all very wholesome and all very natural 634 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: and part of life. But it's in his words that 635 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 2: guns are important to him, and it's also belied in 636 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 2: his words. He's trying to say that we only they're 637 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: only there for hunting. He doesn't mention that the AMMO 638 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: is locked away or anything like that at all. He 639 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: says there's nothing loaded. Well, that doesn't really mean very much, 640 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: does it. It just means that a gun is not loaded. 641 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 2: The AMMO could be sitting right next to it. It could 642 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: be loaded in five seconds. You know, there's nothing particularly 643 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: safe there that was going on. So I think, I mean, 644 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: it does blow my mind from that point of view. 645 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, from what I see from 646 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: Colin's words and his behavior and the type of person 647 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: he is, it doesn't much surprise me. 648 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: And you know, when he's talking about the deer hunting 649 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: and putting the blood on his face and all that, 650 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: which is a tradition if you're a deer hunter and 651 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: you get your first kill, they will do that. So 652 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: I just want people listening to know that's something that 653 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: is well accepted in that community. But he says of 654 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: that day where Colt got his first kill was the 655 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: greatest day ever. 656 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: Yes, yes he does. 657 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 2: And again, I think what we've really picked up here 658 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: was what was very interesting about this video is I 659 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: think with Colt we're learning about statement analysis in terms 660 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: of truth and deception, and with Colin we're picking up 661 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: a sense of who he is, what his characteristic is 662 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: like what's important to him as well, and he cannot 663 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: but help himself and say, yeah, this was the greatest 664 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 2: day ever. 665 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: Yep. And you know, even the two officers on scene 666 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: when Colin first opened the door just wearing boxers and 667 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 1: a shirt. When he shuts the door to go put 668 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: pants on, they even say to each other, Hey, unless 669 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: it's like three in the morning, I'm going to stop 670 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: and put pants on before I come to the door. 671 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: So they even acknowledge this guy a little unusual. But 672 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: Colin is almost super cool, super calm, like, hey, I'm 673 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: part of a law enforcement family, y'all are good guys. 674 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: When he comes back out, he's got a drink and 675 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: a can that he just opens. He gets a chair 676 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: and sits in it. I mean he's not at all 677 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: upset or worried. Is the position he's played. 678 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: Yes, I am sure, because against it's very much like 679 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: when I said Colt responds with a question to a 680 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: question to buy himself thinking time. I think some of 681 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: the things that were going on with Colin was to 682 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: buy him self thinking time as well. It was just 683 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: a bit more sophisticated than Colt's thirteen year old version 684 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: of it, Like how long he disappeared just to put 685 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: on a pair of pants. That was That was quite 686 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 2: a long time, wasn't it. You know, I wonder what 687 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 2: when you know that there was a movie. It would 688 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 2: cut to him sort of leaning against the door inside 689 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: the house, going come on, come on, come on, get 690 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: yourself together, get yourself together. Yeah, and then the delaying 691 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: as well, when they say can you get Colt and 692 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, but now listen what you've got to 693 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 2: understand and he goes into a long, long speech, which 694 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: is great actually because the longer someone talks, the more 695 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 2: data points we have to work with in terms of 696 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 2: what they are like and who they are. So I 697 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 2: think he was buying himself a lot of thinking time. 698 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: I mean, he was. 699 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: Very very aware that this was very serious, and I 700 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 2: think Colin was very aware it was highly likely the 701 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: cult had made this threat of a school shooting. 702 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, I don't know of one 703 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: school shooter who's been able to keep it a secret. 704 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: They tell people, they make drawings, they write about it, 705 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: they post about it on social media, they start collecting guns, 706 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: they start researching. I mean, any kid, especially thirteen fourteen, 707 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to hide it. It's 708 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: what they think about, it's what they've started to process 709 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: how they're going to do something. Many times they make 710 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: a hit list. Many times they have just this dossier 711 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: of information about guns and other school shootings where they 712 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: have researched Columbine for example, and this I think is 713 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: a similar situation. He did post things on social media, 714 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: he did tell people. There is one statement that I've 715 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: read that his first period teacher send an email that 716 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: very morning before second period even started, that he had 717 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: made some statement, some comment about shooting up the school. 718 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: So again, we have to take these things seriously. Even 719 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: if you think that kid he's just angry, that kids 720 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: just being bullied, the kids just trying to get attention. 721 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: However you're excusing it, you need to take it seriously. 722 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: If you're wrong in the best way, no problem. But 723 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: if you're not, then things can really be violent super quick. 724 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: I think that's such a wise point, Cheryl. I think 725 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 2: that's what I really got the feeling of at the 726 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 2: end here was that what calling and what Cole said 727 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 2: really should have given these police guys pause for thought. 728 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 2: And I don't know what the procedure would be, whether 729 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 2: they could get him down to the police station to 730 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 2: speak more formally. 731 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 3: Even at the very least, they have. 732 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 2: The information there that there are problems at school, So 733 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 2: maybe go and talk to the school and maybe just 734 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: tip off the school that this has happened. Can you 735 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 2: keep an eye on him or something like that. But really, 736 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 2: when the words that they used, there was indications that yes, 737 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 2: cult had made a threat about shooting up a school, 738 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 2: and that calling number one, guns were a large part 739 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 2: of his life and part of his culture, and number 740 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 2: two like he seemed to be aware as well that 741 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 2: it was highly probable that cult had made this threat 742 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 2: to shoot up the school. 743 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, his dad even said in his statement that 744 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: we talk about it. We talk about it all the time, 745 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: and he listed school shooting. His dad was aware, now 746 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: law enforcement was aware, his counselor was aware. They had 747 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: to change schools because of issues. Again, it's not like 748 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: there weren't sign after sign after signed that this child 749 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: is having major issues that should have been addressed in 750 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: a more aggressive manner in my opinion, But this is 751 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: what I would like to ask of you, Jack Fox. 752 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: I think you need to come back to zone and 753 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: we need to have almost a little mini academy, to 754 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: tell people about the liar's number, to tell people about 755 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: the importance of order, to tell people about how statements 756 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: should be balanced, and things like that, and where this 757 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: could really be utilized, not just in law enforcement, but 758 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: I think teachers and counselors and nurses. I think other 759 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: people need to understand basic deception. 760 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 3: That would be a pleasure, that would be a challenge 761 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 3: and a pleasure. 762 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: Fabulous. All right, well, sir, I just adore you and 763 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and I think you've put a spotlight 764 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: on statement analysis and anybody in law enforcement that could 765 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: hear this episode and here you break down that statement 766 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: the first two sentences, they should be reaching out for 767 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: some training in some classes. So I appreciate you so 768 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: much and we will be in touch. 769 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 2: I look forward to it. Thank you very much for 770 00:41:59,600 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 2: having me. 771 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl, Thank you so much, and y'all, I'm going 772 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: to end Zone seven the way that I always do 773 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: with a quote. Order is important, often revealing priority. Peter Hyatt, 774 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.