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Speaker 2: of The Dan Patrick Show. The nixt scored eight points
Speaker 2: in the final twenty seven seconds to beat the Sixers.
Speaker 2: It's the first time a team won a playoff game
Speaker 2: after trailing by five or more in the final thirty
Speaker 2: seconds since the Miami heat rallied to beat San Antonio.
Speaker 2: That was Game six of the twenty thirteen NBA Finals.
Speaker 4: Ooh, how stead of a day, stall of a day,
Speaker 4: Statuta day, Statuta day, this.
Speaker 5: Is the stat of the day.
Speaker 2: The Lakers led for forty four minutes and fifty six
Speaker 2: seconds of last night's loss. The teams were tied for
Speaker 2: two minutes and twenty seconds. Denver led for a total
Speaker 2: of forty four seconds. And in case you're wondering, and
Speaker 2: I know you are, NBA teams winning the first two
Speaker 2: games of a best of seven series have an all
Speaker 2: time winning percentage of just over ninety two percent.
Speaker 3: All right, oh oh yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Day, start of the day, start of the day.
Speaker 6: Scotup day startup, dat day startup?
Speaker 2: Alrighty, whole question for hour two is gonna be one
Speaker 2: seaton O'Connor.
Speaker 4: We got up there right now, team down to most
Speaker 4: likely to make a comeback. Sixers have jumped the head
Speaker 4: big in that one, followed by the Magic I don't
Speaker 4: know if the Lakers coming in and last is more
Speaker 4: about the Lakers or that it's the Nuggets that they're playing.
Speaker 4: It might just be more a comment on the strength
Speaker 4: of the Nuggets than it might be a commentary about
Speaker 4: the Lakers as well. That the Nuggets. I mean, the
Speaker 4: Nuggets aren't unbeatable. When you think of great like all
Speaker 4: time great teams, the Nuggets don't strike me as an
Speaker 4: all time great team. However, now if they win another title,
Speaker 4: like you can't be an all time great team. I
Speaker 4: don't think like the two thousand and eight Celtics, like
Speaker 4: they won a title, you would think they were. They
Speaker 4: won many titles, you know, like the Bears when they
Speaker 4: won their Super Bowl. Okay, yeah, yeah, you know when
Speaker 4: the Giants won, or you know, the Mets won the
Speaker 4: World Series and then they didn't win after that, the
Speaker 4: Giants when they won and then they didn't win after that.
Speaker 4: With those with that group, like you got to win
Speaker 4: at least two titles, two titles maybe in three years,
Speaker 4: then you can venture into wow, they were a great team.
Speaker 7: Yes, Marvin, the Nuggets are looking like a Jugger. Not
Speaker 7: right now, so if they win this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I think we can look at you know,
Speaker 2: are they a great like you know, Connecticut's basketball team,
Speaker 2: the men's basketball team. What they did in the tournament
Speaker 2: the last two years would probably dictate their one of
Speaker 2: the great teams of all time. Now, they don't have
Speaker 2: star power, but if I look at the margin of victory,
Speaker 2: they have dominated people like we haven't seen before. Now
Speaker 2: do you consider Connecticut a one of the great teams
Speaker 2: of all time? Do I put them up there with
Speaker 2: Duke or UNLV go back to UCLA days, Kentucky tem
Speaker 2: you know, do they fit into that category? And they
Speaker 2: probably don't because people if I said, hey, how about
Speaker 2: all those great players on Connecticut, the first name you
Speaker 2: bring up is the coach. But a lot of these
Speaker 2: other teams you bring up their players and their coach.
Speaker 2: Is Denver a great team?
Speaker 8: Yes, point, Marvin, I were talking about this, I would
Speaker 8: be close to taking the Nuggets versus the field in
Speaker 8: the NBA playoffs a week ago.
Speaker 9: I would have done it probably.
Speaker 8: I mean, they feel that they feel like they have
Speaker 8: the least question marks.
Speaker 2: Well, the only other team that you view as being
Speaker 2: on par with them would be Boston as far as
Speaker 2: you know what they did over the course of the
Speaker 2: season and that they're got talent. Uh, they're They're a
Speaker 2: great team. The Boston Celtics have the potential.
Speaker 3: To be a great team.
Speaker 2: I don't know if people look at Denver and go,
Speaker 2: they have a great player, they have the best player
Speaker 2: in the game. But I think people would be hard
Speaker 2: pressed to go. You know who else plays for that team?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: You know Jamal Murray from last night hadn't had an
Speaker 2: All Star appearance. Aaron Gordon, he was a slam dunk champ,
Speaker 2: Michael Porter. Oh, he's the guy whose brother bet against
Speaker 2: his own team. He used to be the guy with
Speaker 2: the back is yes, yes, yes, What would you rather
Speaker 2: have talk about your bad back or talk about your
Speaker 2: brother who bet against his own team?
Speaker 3: Mike Malone or Michael Malone?
Speaker 2: You know, once again, you're not I don't think maybe
Speaker 2: we don't give Denver enough credit because of where they play,
Speaker 2: or how many times are you watching those games?
Speaker 3: Are they exciting to watch?
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's East Coast bias here, but I
Speaker 2: don't think you're gonna go. Man, I'd put those Nuggets
Speaker 2: up against Kobe and Shack. I'd put them up against
Speaker 2: Mike and Scottie. I'd put them up against you know,
Speaker 2: Birds Celtic, Like you're not doing that, and those are
Speaker 2: the you know, some of the greatest teams of all time.
Speaker 7: Yes, so if they win this year, they might end
Speaker 7: up being in the chem Elijau on ninety four ninety
Speaker 7: five Rockies.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 7: Like you know what, for a two year stretch, they
Speaker 7: were the best team in basketball.
Speaker 2: The best player in basketball wasn't playing them, Mike. But
Speaker 2: I want to hold out against I know, but I
Speaker 2: people do. I mean, they hold it against Lebron he
Speaker 2: won a title, win a bubble. You know, we're we're
Speaker 2: we conveniently look for ways to strengthen an argument or
Speaker 2: take away your strength on your argument.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, I.
Speaker 8: Think you're dead on about the Nuggets is the lack
Speaker 8: of coverage makes them seem like they're not great, But
Speaker 8: it's they don't have any drama. They win a lot
Speaker 8: of ball games now. Their players really get in any trouble.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: Their coach he gets a little fired up sometimes, but
Speaker 8: they don't play to the media.
Speaker 9: They remind me a little little bit more.
Speaker 8: Of the Spurs fifteen years ago, where they're constant. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I know they knew at being constant, but I think
Speaker 8: an educated basketball person if they were saying, I'm going
Speaker 8: to bet on the NBA Finals a week ago and
Speaker 8: you could only pick one team, I bet most people
Speaker 8: would pick the the Nuggets.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're that much of it.
Speaker 2: But if you look at the coverage, and you know,
Speaker 2: the Lakers are the Dallas Cowboys. Now, the Lakers have
Speaker 2: had better results than the Cowboys have, but nobody, nobody
Speaker 2: comes close to the Cowboys for coverage. All of the
Speaker 2: other NFL teams combined don't get more coverage than Dallas does.
Speaker 2: And with the Lakers, what team gets more coverage than
Speaker 2: the Lakers do? No One, No one. And you know
Speaker 2: they barely get into the playoffs and you know they're
Speaker 2: down two. But this will be about the Lakers. It
Speaker 2: won't be about Denver being up to oh and it
Speaker 2: should be because Joker, once again is doing things that
Speaker 2: nobody's done before. Nobody's done this in forty eight years,
Speaker 2: have at least twenty five points, at least twenty rebounds,
Speaker 2: at least ten assists. He has done that in four
Speaker 2: career playoff games. The rest of the NBA all time
Speaker 2: as a total of four. That's Will twice, Dave Collens once,
Speaker 2: Kareem did it once. So these are incredible numbers that
Speaker 2: he's putting up, and it just doesn't feel like that
Speaker 2: coverage is there.
Speaker 3: I think they.
Speaker 2: Almost need to be, and it's hard to do that
Speaker 2: where you're trying how do you manufacture coverage? Now the Mothership?
Speaker 2: How much coverage are they going to have with Denver?
Speaker 2: Their NBA today will be about what the Lakers and
Speaker 2: you know, the Sixers. It probably won't be about the Knicks,
Speaker 2: and it won't be about Denver.
Speaker 8: Yeah, pung, Yeah, being consistently good, there's not a lot
Speaker 8: of storylines to play with. It's like over the years
Speaker 8: of Saint Louis Cardinals in baseball, Hey guess what, They're
Speaker 8: going to win eighty eight games and get into the playoffs,
Speaker 8: probably do some damage, you know, there's not a lot
Speaker 8: of drama around the franchise.
Speaker 2: Now we are trying to give a little bit more
Speaker 2: love to the Knicks because it is New York and
Speaker 2: they're a good story. This year they won in dramatic
Speaker 2: fashion and uh boy, give credit to Mike Breen. Here's
Speaker 2: the call the final twenty seven seconds eight on.
Speaker 10: The twenty four Devincenzo contor de Brunson side step three
Speaker 10: plutter shot.
Speaker 3: Hets God took the bouncing one in two point game,
Speaker 3: We'll not loose.
Speaker 10: Then Maxi gets knocked down, Heart takes it away. I'll
Speaker 10: top to Devin Chanzoh his shot, don't go hardst teign
Speaker 10: the rebound. Hartenstein gets it out to Adenoby defen chenzho
Speaker 10: a three bag dam next take a one point lead,
Speaker 10: but thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 2: Remaining, Damn Mike, don't win the Sports Emmy right in
Speaker 2: front of me.
Speaker 3: That was great double bang bang, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 7: The crazy part about this next team they have a
Speaker 7: small market feel yes, like and grind. They feel like Memphis.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's a great call. Uh So a wild
Speaker 2: finished there elsewhere. Zack Wilson got traded to the Broncos. Now,
Speaker 2: how much of this him being a bust is on
Speaker 2: the Jets. Like justin fields, you'll find you know, Bears
Speaker 2: fans will say, well, the Bears did this to him.
Speaker 2: Certain teams tend to do this. You know, the Jets
Speaker 2: did this to Sam Darnold, you know, like they let
Speaker 2: him down, you know, didn't give him enough weapons. The
Speaker 2: Patriots did this to Mac Jones. But Zach Wilson now
Speaker 2: going to Denver. I think they're going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They probably should because it's Zack Wilson and Jarrett Stidham.
Speaker 2: But Zach Wilson with Sean Payton, Okay, I'd like to see.
Speaker 2: You know, he got out of the Aaron Rodgers, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, shadow and the Jets dysfunction, and now he
Speaker 2: goes to Denver. Okay, he took a flyer on him,
Speaker 2: got a lot of talent. Let's see if Sean Payton
Speaker 2: can sprinkle some magic quarterback dust on him and he's
Speaker 2: only twenty four. I think that's the key. I think
Speaker 2: he came in and titled you know, sometimes you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm coming in, Like you got to earn it.
Speaker 2: Once you get into the league, no matter what league
Speaker 2: it is, that's when the job starts. Sometimes you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm second pick overall, number one pick of now's when
Speaker 2: you got to work because it could have come to
Speaker 2: you very easy in college.
Speaker 3: It doesn't come easy in the pros.
Speaker 2: And those who separate themselves know that they put in
Speaker 2: the time, the extra time, and they want to be
Speaker 2: great and they go in as if now I have
Speaker 2: to prove myself, not I'm coming in make way for me.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think I'm going to sound like a dad
Speaker 4: or something. But I think that we just give enough
Speaker 4: credit to the fact that it's hard. It's actually hard
Speaker 4: to do that, even if you are the number two
Speaker 4: overall pick or the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: It's hard, yeah, And I don't know if they understand
Speaker 2: that because in college it's not a job as much
Speaker 2: as when you get to the pros. It's a job,
Speaker 2: and it's it's all year long, and it's all encompassing,
Speaker 2: and you have to embrace that, you know, Michael Vick
Speaker 2: did not. Football came easy to Michael Vick, and I
Speaker 2: don't think he put in the time. Well, he's talked
Speaker 2: about not putting in the time Kyler Murray. Football was
Speaker 2: so easy for him in high school college. Then you
Speaker 2: get to the pros. Now is when you have to
Speaker 2: out smart people. You can't out athletic people. It's really
Speaker 2: really hard, and you might for a little while, and
Speaker 2: then after a while they catch up to you or
Speaker 2: you slow down a little bit. It's now I got
Speaker 2: to put in the time. Now I got to put in.
Speaker 2: I got to outstud somebody outthink somebody. You know. Mahomes
Speaker 2: puts in all this time and he's still thirsty. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got everything. Now is when it's like, no, I
Speaker 2: want to be an all timer. Caleb Williams is talking about, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going after number twelve. He's going after Tom Brady. Okay,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be reminded of this. But you've got
Speaker 2: to put in the time. Players have to see you
Speaker 2: put in the time. You show up, you're still there.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 2: Scott Pioli was the GM with the Patriots for a
Speaker 2: while and he said there are times when you'd see
Speaker 2: the light on and you knew Tom was still there
Speaker 2: and everybody else was going home.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Zach Wilson put in the time.
Speaker 2: And look, I think the Jets did a lot of
Speaker 2: damage to him psychologically, like hey, get out there. Hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna bench you. Hey, get out there. Hey we're
Speaker 2: gonna bench you. Hey, get out there. Hey, I don't
Speaker 2: want to go out there anymore. Ian Rodgers wasn't there
Speaker 2: to tutor him. Remember, we were like, oh man, he's
Speaker 2: going to be able to learn under Aaron Rodgers well,
Speaker 2: unless he's in an ayahuasca tent, he not learning anything.
Speaker 2: So he was kind of hung out to drive there.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'd like to see if he actually
Speaker 2: has the talent that he wants to be great. But
Speaker 2: you just can't mail it in. He can't just show
Speaker 2: up and go here I am. It's you've got to work,
Speaker 2: You've got to put in the time the little things, Yes, Paulin.
Speaker 8: It's interesting. Zach Wilson never got any better. His rookie
Speaker 8: year was not that great. He started thirteen games. He
Speaker 8: was a fifty six percent passer, twenty three hundred yards,
Speaker 8: nine touchdowns, eleven picks, and his quarterback rating was seventy,
Speaker 8: which isn't horrendous. Josh Allen's rookie year, his completion percentage
Speaker 8: was fifty two. He had ten touchdowns to twelve picks,
Speaker 8: about the same. His quarterback rating was sixty seven. Just
Speaker 8: on stats. Zach Wilson's rookie year was better than Josh Allens.
Speaker 8: But Josh Allen got better. They surrounded him with wide
Speaker 8: receivers and other players. Josh Allen got way better. But
Speaker 8: similar rookie.
Speaker 2: Years, well, there are times when his rookie year I said,
Speaker 2: I don't think Josh Allen knows how to play like
Speaker 2: he just seemed like he was. He had so much
Speaker 2: talent playing at Wyoming. Then you get in and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everybody was an All American. Everybody
Speaker 2: you know, was something. And that's when you have to
Speaker 2: put in the time. And Josh has become a great quarterback.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's same thing with Herbert and Burrow
Speaker 2: and Tua, like you got you got to put time in.
Speaker 2: You got to go into the lab, as they say,
Speaker 2: and if you don't, then you know, the league will
Speaker 2: catch you and then next thing you know, you're a
Speaker 2: backup quarterback someplace. And maybe that's what Zach Wilson is.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what Sam Darnold is. Well, can you unbust yourself?
Speaker 2: You know Baker Mayfield did, because I think he was
Speaker 2: really good and then all of a sudden he lost
Speaker 2: his job and then he goes to Carolina for a
Speaker 2: little while and then he goes to Tampa.
Speaker 3: Well he unbusted himself.
Speaker 8: Yeah, PAULI, this is going way back, But I was
Speaker 8: trying to think of a quarterback that unbusted himself. Jim
Speaker 8: Plunkett was he Number one pick of the draft of
Speaker 8: the Patriots. Yeah, he would have been a bust before
Speaker 8: that term was invented. Then it went on to start
Speaker 8: two Super Bowls for the Raiders.
Speaker 9: And win both.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that might be the only version of a true.
Speaker 5: Bust that got out of it unbusting.
Speaker 9: Unbusting.
Speaker 8: Alex Smith was a disappointment with the Niners his first
Speaker 8: four years, but then he picked it up. He was
Speaker 8: a slow burn, but he was going to Bustville for
Speaker 8: a few years.
Speaker 2: But he lost his job to Colin Kaepernick and to
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. Like it almost helped his career that he
Speaker 2: lost his job to Mahomes and Mahomes has become one
Speaker 2: of the great quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, all right, I get that.
Speaker 2: But you know, Alex Smith, I think, by all accounts,
Speaker 2: had a good career, But he was also in the
Speaker 2: same draft as Aaron Rodgers. And Alex Smith goes number one,
Speaker 2: and you know, Rogers goes at the end of the
Speaker 2: first first round. Yes, and I mean even Kaepernick, the
Speaker 2: guy who lost his job through the first time, went
Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, all right, let me take a break.
Speaker 2: Chris Mannix will join us we'll ask him the poll
Speaker 2: question here and an interesting stat on Joker because I
Speaker 2: was asking Paul Leye. I can't remember an MVP winner
Speaker 2: who didn't take that many shots or as many shots
Speaker 2: as you would think for a great score. I mean,
Speaker 2: Bill Russell wasn't a score, so I wouldn't factor him in.
Speaker 2: But how many MVPs in history have taken more shots
Speaker 2: in a season than the Joker has? And I'm going
Speaker 2: to guess probably ninety five percent of them, maybe even more.
Speaker 2: And I got an interesting stat on Joker with the
Speaker 2: shots that he takes. All right back after this Dan
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Speaker 2: I'd mentioned I had some Joker stats for you. Percentage
Speaker 2: of games where this player took the most shots for
Speaker 2: his team this season Luca eighty five five percent of
Speaker 2: the games, Shay Gilgis Alexander eighty six percent of the games,
Speaker 2: Joker fifty three percent. Also, I was wondering where, like,
Speaker 2: if you looked at MVP seasons, where would Joker rank
Speaker 2: among these players the fewest shots for an MVP in
Speaker 2: a season. And we got our stats guy, uh John
Speaker 2: Tuvey working on this. Joker was nineteenth in the NBA
Speaker 2: during the regular season in shot attempts. Four teams had
Speaker 2: two players who averaged more shot attempts than Joker did
Speaker 2: this year, the seventy six Ers, Celtic Suns, and the Mavericks.
Speaker 3: The stead of the day, that of the day.
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Speaker 2: be in Boston tomorrow night, game two between the Heat
Speaker 2: and Celtics. Always great to have him on the Sports
Speaker 2: Illustrated NBA senior writer. Let me start with Joker. Can
Speaker 2: you remember an MVP in a season who averaged less shots?
Speaker 3: I don't know if Steve Nash.
Speaker 2: Would be somebody, but how many MVPs average fewer shots
Speaker 2: than Joker does during the regular season?
Speaker 12: Yeah, top of my head, Steve Nash would be the
Speaker 12: only one that comes to mind because he was a
Speaker 12: playmaker and a lot of his production. The reason was
Speaker 12: the MVP came off of CIS. But but Jogicic just
Speaker 12: does it and dominates in unique ways every game. I mean,
Speaker 12: watching that game last night, it was the offensive rebounding
Speaker 12: that was dominant. It was the playmaking that was dan
Speaker 12: One thing that struck me in that final sequence where
Speaker 12: Jamal Murray made that shot. If you rewind the tape
Speaker 12: a little bit and you look at the moments after
Speaker 12: the defensive rebound by Denver, the instant they got the
Speaker 12: ball in their hands, Jokic was already orchestrating that final play.
Speaker 12: He was waving guys around and gave them a position,
Speaker 12: she said, somebody, and I forgot who was over from
Speaker 12: the right side of the play to the left, essentially
Speaker 12: to clear room for what was a developing two man
Speaker 12: game between himself and Jamal Murray. So great shot by
Speaker 12: Jamal Murray in the face of Anthony Davis. But give
Speaker 12: Jokics credit in part for kind of clearing that room
Speaker 12: for him, giving him enough space to operate.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: It's it's plays like that that make nikolea Jokic so special.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand how a Laker fan can spin
Speaker 2: this in a positive way. That you were up twenty
Speaker 2: and it feels like they're trying to win games in
Speaker 2: the first half, like let's go out and use all
Speaker 2: of our energy, and then they limped to the finish line.
Speaker 2: You've been close with Denver even last year when they
Speaker 2: got swept, they weren't getting blown out. So I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out, if I'm a Laker fan, what positives
Speaker 2: do I take away from losing back to back games.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think among the positives was how well
Speaker 12: D'Angelo Russell played in the first half. How well Anthony
Speaker 12: Davis played in the first half. Both those guys seem
Speaker 12: to run out of gas though in the second. I
Speaker 12: mean Davis, you know he's had He had a great
Speaker 12: regular season, played seventy six games, the most games he's
Speaker 12: played in his NBA career, averaged more minutes per game
Speaker 12: than he has at a time since his New Orleans days.
Speaker 12: But you start to wonder watching a series like this,
Speaker 12: if there's enough gas left in the tank for Anthony
Speaker 12: Davis to be a dominant two way player for thirty
Speaker 12: five thirty six minutes. I mean on the defensive end.
Speaker 12: In the fourth quarter, Nicol Jokic was was great. I mean,
Speaker 12: an Ad is as good as he is defensively, he
Speaker 12: just couldn't do much to stop him in the post.
Speaker 12: And with Russell, Dan I said coming into this series,
Speaker 12: the only way the Lakers can win is if de'angelo
Speaker 12: Russell is the kind of player we've seen in the
Speaker 12: regular season and not in the games he's played against Denver.
Speaker 12: I mean the Conference finals last year, Dan, the Nuggets
Speaker 12: play D'angela Russell right off the floor. I mean he
Speaker 12: was benched in the Conference finals first half of game two,
Speaker 12: he had eighteen points, made six of seven and three
Speaker 12: point range. He was one of four from three point
Speaker 12: range the rest of the way, just five points in
Speaker 12: that second half. I mean, you can draw a line
Speaker 12: between D'Angelo Russell, you know, being a effective offensive player
Speaker 12: to that fifteen point lead the Lakers built to you
Speaker 12: know that, you know, collapse so to speak in the
Speaker 12: second half. So both those guys have to find a
Speaker 12: way to play four full quarters to give the Lakers.
Speaker 2: A chance better chance of coming back. The Lakers are
Speaker 2: seventy six ers, I'm gonna.
Speaker 12: Give the seventies sixers a better chance of coming back.
Speaker 12: But that was just heartbreaking. I mean, the Knicks, Reggie Millard,
Speaker 12: the seventy six ers down the stretch, like the run
Speaker 12: they had in that final fifteen to twenty seconds, whatever
Speaker 12: it was, I haven't seen anything like it an MSG
Speaker 12: since Reggie Miller did what he did so many years ago.
Speaker 12: And I mean credit the Knicks that just they just
Speaker 12: never stopped playing, like you know. Jalen Brunson has had
Speaker 12: a terrible series statistically, he has shot under thirty percent
Speaker 12: in the first two games of this series, but he
Speaker 12: still has the confidence to make that shot. Dante DiVincenzo
Speaker 12: misses one shot on the wing, makes the second at
Speaker 12: the top of the key in Philadelphia, I mean, what
Speaker 12: are we doing down the stretch there? You call a
Speaker 12: time out when you need it. On the inbounds, you don't.
Speaker 12: If you're Kyle Lowry, don't just flip the ball in
Speaker 12: to Tyrese Maxi on that inbound play.
Speaker 5: Don't put him in the position that he was in.
Speaker 12: I know, a lot of the focus dan is on
Speaker 12: the refereeing and should they have called the foul down
Speaker 12: the stretch maybe, But the Sixers.
Speaker 5: Blew that game.
Speaker 12: They couldn't come up with an offensive rebound or defensive
Speaker 12: rebound when they needed it, and they made multiple poor
Speaker 12: plays in that final minute that allowed the Knicks to,
Speaker 12: you know, keep that door open to win that game.
Speaker 3: What do the Nuggets have to do to be labeled
Speaker 3: one of the great teams?
Speaker 12: I mean, multiple championships is kind of It kind of
Speaker 12: opens the door for you. It puts you in that
Speaker 12: rarefied air of teams that have won multiple championships, and
Speaker 12: then you kind of bump them up a tier from there, like,
Speaker 12: you know, does three championships put them in the mix
Speaker 12: with the early aughts, Lakers that won free straight with
Speaker 12: Shaq and Kobe, the Celtics and the Lakers of the
Speaker 12: nineteen age. You start talking about them as being in
Speaker 12: that conversation. So I think it starts with two championships
Speaker 12: and then you build from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like the Rocket. It's when they
Speaker 2: won back to back titles that that that might be.
Speaker 2: Because you know, when we're saying, you know, do I
Speaker 2: think they're one of the great teams? I don't, But
Speaker 2: I think if you're gonna be labeled great, it's got
Speaker 2: to be more than one year.
Speaker 12: I think they might be, though, Dan, because it's not
Speaker 12: like this is the the final chapter of their their run.
Speaker 12: They've got most of that team under long term contract,
Speaker 12: and most of that team is in or in the
Speaker 12: case of someone like Michael Porter Junior, just entering the
Speaker 12: prime of their careers. I mean, Porter Junior's year was sensational.
Speaker 12: It's a guy that you know, many people wondered if
Speaker 12: you would ever be able to play the kind of
Speaker 12: season that he did, played what like eighty plus games
Speaker 12: this year. I mean that that's just an incredible accomplishment
Speaker 12: for MPJA. I mean, Jokic is incredibly durable. Mury's had
Speaker 12: his bumps along the way, but he's still young. I mean,
Speaker 12: you know, anything can happen this year because the playoffs
Speaker 12: in the Western Conference especially are going to be brutal.
Speaker 12: But I think this team's window is probably three or
Speaker 12: four more years to win championships.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Chris Mannix, the senior writer for the
Speaker 2: NBA with Sports Illustrated. But Joker, now with the third
Speaker 2: MVP coming up, like now, all of a sudden, we
Speaker 2: start to get into a little bit more interesting conversation
Speaker 2: with him. That a nice story. Oh I got another MVP. Well,
Speaker 2: let's see if you can win a time. Oh you
Speaker 2: got a title, Now you get another MVP. Favor to
Speaker 2: win another title. At what point does he start to
Speaker 2: get into that top twenty players of all time conversation?
Speaker 12: I mean, I think we're there, aren't we. I mean,
Speaker 12: he's a top twenty player of all time. I'd have
Speaker 12: to make it, you know, I haven't made a list lately,
Speaker 12: but yeah, I mean, a third MVP. There's only a
Speaker 12: handful of guys that have done that.
Speaker 5: So at some point the.
Speaker 12: Results speak for themselves and the completeness of his game
Speaker 12: at that position.
Speaker 2: Okay, If I said Durant or Joker, who's going to
Speaker 2: be ranked higher when their careers are over?
Speaker 12: When their careers are over, I would say Jokic will
Speaker 12: probably be ranked higher.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yis, that's a.
Speaker 12: Tougher one because Giannis is still in his prime, and
Speaker 12: Giannis this year he's gonna finish top five MVP.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna fish inside the top three.
Speaker 12: But he had a insane statistical season, and he is a.
Speaker 5: Two way player.
Speaker 12: He's as good defensively most nights as he is offensively.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna say Jokic, but it's.
Speaker 3: A lot closer Karl Malone.
Speaker 12: I mean Jokic probably because of the championship and whatever
Speaker 12: happens over the next three I think he's gonna get
Speaker 12: at least one more so. I think three MVPs and
Speaker 12: two championships nudges him above Malone. Der No, he just
Speaker 12: being mean.
Speaker 5: Probably Jokic.
Speaker 12: I mean Dirk revolutionized the game, made shooting three, made
Speaker 12: half the things that Jokic does now en vogue. I
Speaker 12: mean Jokic probably in a way learned some of the
Speaker 12: game from from Dirk Davitsky or or figured out how
Speaker 12: to play a certain way because of Dirk Davitsky. I
Speaker 12: just think I just think Jokic is the completeness of
Speaker 12: his game, Like he's a playmaker where Dirk wasn't, not
Speaker 12: to that level. He's a rebounder I think better than Dirk.
Speaker 12: I mean, you can you give the ball to Dirk
Speaker 12: in the high post in his prime and good night,
Speaker 12: that's an eighteen footer that's going in seventy five percent
Speaker 12: of the time. You give the ball to Jokic and
Speaker 12: you don't know what's gonna happen. He could shoot a
Speaker 12: fadaway jump shot himself in a high percentage.
Speaker 5: He can go to the basket.
Speaker 12: You saw him get to the free throw line a
Speaker 12: lot and down the stretch against Anthony Davis. Or he
Speaker 12: can make the right play and find an open teammate
Speaker 12: for three. Jokic's ability to dissect the defense I think
Speaker 12: probably separates it.
Speaker 5: From Dirk as well.
Speaker 12: Larry Bird I get so much hate mail from like
Speaker 12: a hate more hate message than usual because of this debate,
Speaker 12: probably Jokic as well.
Speaker 5: I I you know, and I.
Speaker 3: Wait, do you really mean that? I Are you crying
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 5: I'm not crying.
Speaker 12: I'm I'm I'm trying to think of what I'm missing
Speaker 12: here with I mean, look, you're talking about all time
Speaker 12: great players and scorers.
Speaker 3: Yes, what they do.
Speaker 12: Larry was more clutch in big Larry had the weight
Speaker 12: of the world on his team down the stretch in
Speaker 12: big moments, and he made shots that that we hadn't
Speaker 12: seen in that era. But again, the the the completeness
Speaker 12: of Jokic's game, I gotta put him, Yeah, I gotta
Speaker 12: put him up there. I mean, I'm your whittling guys
Speaker 12: off the potential top twenty list. I'm bumping him ahead
Speaker 12: of all these guys. So I think I think we're there.
Speaker 12: I think we're there with NICOLEA. Jokicez as a top
Speaker 12: twenty player.
Speaker 2: It feels like the Celtics are hard to root for nationally,
Speaker 2: hard to buy into because all we're doing. You know,
Speaker 2: there's certain teams in certain sports where you go like Cowboys, Hey,
Speaker 2: thirteen regular season wins, I don't care, what are you
Speaker 2: going to do in the playoffs. The Celtics are there,
Speaker 2: like a wonderful regular season.
Speaker 3: Now you got to win a title.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I know, I think that's fair. You know, how
Speaker 12: many years now, six seven years in a row or
Speaker 12: six seven years total. We've seen the Celtics at least
Speaker 12: the conference finals, NBA Finals, you know, a couple of
Speaker 12: years back, and have been to the mountaintop, but have
Speaker 12: not yet won a championship.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned.
Speaker 12: The the hard to root for part of it is
Speaker 12: when you go through a regular season that's effectively over
Speaker 12: by like Ash Wednesday, like for them, like you're you're
Speaker 12: not going to get behind a team like that. I
Speaker 12: think part of the skepticism, though, is that there is
Speaker 12: a belief national that when the games on the line,
Speaker 12: Jason Tatum is not as good as some of the
Speaker 12: other players in key moments like where would you rank
Speaker 12: Jason Tatum among the guys that you would trust with
Speaker 12: the ball in their hands down the stretch among playoff teams, Dan,
Speaker 12: we could probably sit here in name six to seven
Speaker 12: guys that you know many people would.
Speaker 5: Take in those moments. So I don't think a lot
Speaker 5: of that is fair.
Speaker 12: I think that Tatum has taken a step back this
Speaker 12: year in a way to allow Jalen Brown to keep growing,
Speaker 12: to allow Porzingis to be a twenty point per game score,
Speaker 12: to allow.
Speaker 5: Drew Holiday to get his shots.
Speaker 12: But I think there's a perception out there that in tight,
Speaker 12: competitive games, Jason Tatum is going to be not a liability,
Speaker 12: but not going to be the greatest option in those moments.
Speaker 5: I disagree with it.
Speaker 12: I think he's going to prove in these playoffs that
Speaker 12: he is an elite fourth quarter score, an elite crunch
Speaker 12: time player, can play out of the high post, the
Speaker 12: low post and beat you in a variety different ways.
Speaker 12: But that is one of the skepticisms that people have
Speaker 12: about Boston in this playoffs, that they've won so many games,
Speaker 12: huge margin of victory, blowing teams out across the field
Speaker 12: when it gets tight late in games.
Speaker 2: Can they rely on Jason Tate? Good to talk to you, buddy,
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us as always.
Speaker 12: Can I ask the question Dan before I go. I've
Speaker 12: been watching, of course, and I understand you're kind of
Speaker 12: you make me a short list for your potential replacements.
Speaker 5: Is that's what's happening last night?
Speaker 2: No? No, I just had somebody who contacted me and
Speaker 2: I was a little bit surprised that the person said,
Speaker 2: do I put my name in the hat?
Speaker 3: And I said for what? And he said, to replace you?
Speaker 2: And I said, no, no hat yet but I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if the dan Nets want to
Speaker 2: continue to do this.
Speaker 3: But are you throwing your name in the hat?
Speaker 5: I would I would like to formally.
Speaker 3: Formally my name. Can we get a hat? Well?
Speaker 2: Okay, how do you guys feel about what Mannis just said?
Speaker 8: We're going to need time to process this. This is
Speaker 8: out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: No one saw this, Marvin, what do you think NBA
Speaker 3: talk all day?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, Todd.
Speaker 7: I love Chris.
Speaker 5: That's excellent news that is interested in that.
Speaker 2: So that's your choice. If I run by some other
Speaker 2: candidates for you, you're taking Mannix.
Speaker 5: Oh that's really putting me on the spot.
Speaker 13: Ross Tucker is a good guy.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's interested.
Speaker 7: But I love Chris Mannicks and I will leave it
Speaker 7: at that.
Speaker 4: See what about you? I think Chris would be fantastic.
Speaker 4: I don't know that necessarily I want to be much
Speaker 4: like a Tucker at I don't know if I'm going
Speaker 4: to be a Manni set either, but I think that
Speaker 4: I think Chris would be fantastic.
Speaker 12: Pauline, can I Dan just just to let me let
Speaker 12: me make a briefcase here, right, so I have a
Speaker 12: good relationship obviously with the Dnnetts.
Speaker 5: As you saw there PAULI and I Vermon Vermont.
Speaker 12: Well, I was gonna say, Paul, you and I Vermont neighbors,
Speaker 12: like we're yes, you know, we're kindred spirits up there.
Speaker 12: Uh proximity, Dan, I could seamlessly move to Connecticut continue
Speaker 12: doing that show right there in that studio.
Speaker 5: No issue with that.
Speaker 12: And look, I know you you've said that you want
Speaker 12: to differentiate the next host from you a little bit.
Speaker 5: Why you said you weren't considering the dn Nettes.
Speaker 12: Everybody loves you. Everybody hates me, So I mean that's
Speaker 12: I think a nice, nice differentiator there.
Speaker 2: There have to be some people who like yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean haven't found them, but but we there has to
Speaker 2: be somebody who likes Chris Mannings.
Speaker 5: Members of Ricky Rubio's family maybe.
Speaker 3: Wait, what was that? Uh? What was that Chris rock show?
Speaker 3: Everybody hates Chris? Uh? Hello, we can bring that back.
Speaker 2: Everybody hates Chris. Come on in, all right, your name
Speaker 2: is officially in the hat.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2: All right, that's Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated NBA. You're rider
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Speaker 2: per game by an NBA MVP, so this list includes
Speaker 2: the Joker. This year, Joker averaged seventeen point seven shots
Speaker 2: per game. Here are the players in NBA history. Now,
Speaker 2: Joker's on the list twice.
Speaker 3: This year.
Speaker 2: Of seventeen point nine twenty twenty one, it was seventeen
Speaker 2: point seven. The other players the fewest shots for an MVP,
Speaker 2: As we said, it's Steve Nash a little over eleven
Speaker 2: shots per game in four, then he repeated in five
Speaker 2: he bumped that up to thirteen point four shots per game.
Speaker 2: Carl Malone averaged only sixteen shots per game the year
Speaker 2: he won the NBA. Steph Curry averaged just under seventeen
Speaker 2: shots a game in twenty fourteen, Tim Duncan twenty and
Speaker 2: two seventeen point two shots per game, Dirk Naviski MVP
Speaker 2: just over seventeen shots per game, Jannis just over seventeen
Speaker 2: shots per game. Then it's Joker. Lebron in twenty twelve
Speaker 2: just under eighteen shots per game. Okay, I thought I
Speaker 2: thought Joker would be a little bit higher on this lit.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that Karl Malone only averaged sixteen shots per
Speaker 2: game and won the MVP. Timmy, I'm not surprised Dirk
Speaker 2: a little bit with seventeen shots, Janis seventeen and then
Speaker 2: Lebron just under eighteen. But that was back in twenty twelve.
Speaker 8: Yes, Pauli a R stick I just got back to
Speaker 8: me said this algorithm only went back thirty years, So
Speaker 8: you have to throw in Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson had
Speaker 8: three MVPs in four seasons, and in those seasons he
Speaker 8: averaged sixteen shot attempts, fifteen shot attempts, fourteen shot attempts. Okay,
Speaker 8: he led the league and assists two of those three seasons.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 9: Patrick would be right in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Don't get too many MVPs who weren't averaging, you know,
Speaker 2: at least seventeen eighteen, nineteen shots per game, but Nash
Speaker 2: won it eleven shots per game. Mike in South Bend, Mike,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 13: Yeah, man, I would have to respectfully disagree. You were
Speaker 13: talking about great teams and needing a marquee name or
Speaker 13: an marquee person. And I think the whole definition of
Speaker 13: team is that there's not one individual that's above the others.
Speaker 13: And I think that Yukon has the making of being
Speaker 13: a great team, having embarrassed everybody in the NCAA Tournament
Speaker 13: the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said that Yukon should be recognized as a
Speaker 2: great team. I don't know if they are. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at great teams of all time. If I look at
Speaker 2: these two years, you can put those up against pretty
Speaker 2: much anybody who's won titles in the last thirty years.
Speaker 2: I mean, they just blew through everybody. Now, you can
Speaker 2: say college basketball is watered down.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: But let's say you took the last twenty years, who's
Speaker 2: been more dominating than Connecticut these last two years. When
Speaker 2: they get into the tournament, you could put them up
Speaker 2: against anybody.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Pauling, and you can make the case that it's
Speaker 8: tougher if Connectic could do it, because they're not going
Speaker 8: to have Hill, Hurley and Latner for a session a
Speaker 8: three or four year stretch. Yeah, I think their two
Speaker 8: best players are gone from this year. They lost their
Speaker 8: three best players from last year's team. There's no consistency
Speaker 8: to their lineup, maybe light consistency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, sometimes it's right in
Speaker 2: front of us, but we don't acknowledge it. And I
Speaker 2: think Connecticut has been a great team, but we don't.
Speaker 2: There's no tune in factor of oh man, you got
Speaker 2: to see this guy because it felt like every game,
Speaker 2: every other game, it was somebody else who was going
Speaker 2: to be the star. But the only person you really
Speaker 2: know is the coach, whereas with you know, Duke or Kentucky.
Speaker 2: You know some of these other programs where you knew
Speaker 2: the coach, but you also knew some of these star players.
Speaker 3: John in La let me see if I can squeeze
Speaker 3: in here.
Speaker 11: John, Hey, guys, gone the poor guy. How's it going?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 3: John?
Speaker 11: You know, yeah, you know, I've always been critical about
Speaker 11: the Lakers, especially in the way they play. You know,
Speaker 11: his shots selections, Lebron's and his shot attempts. I know
Speaker 11: you're just talking about the shot attempts, but at the
Speaker 11: same time, his shots selections, I mean, he's not he's
Speaker 11: not Steph Curry. You know, he's shooting these three and
Speaker 11: at the same time he's you know, minimizing his shot selections.
Speaker 11: In the first half, you know, six in the game one,
Speaker 11: you know, seven, eight, you know yesterday, and you know,
Speaker 11: and then he expects to heat up, you know, like
Speaker 11: he's twenty five, you know, and he's you know, thirty
Speaker 11: some odd year years.
Speaker 2: Old, and and you know, I think, and we're short
Speaker 2: on time, John, thank you. I think Lebron is settling
Speaker 2: for threes. Takes a whole lot more energy to be
Speaker 2: driving to the hoop like he once did. Chris Haynes,
Speaker 2: who was courtside for the next game last night, Will
Speaker 2: John is coming up final hour on this Tuesday