1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm Shane Bacon, joined by Marty Jerts and Marty we're 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: just talking you and me today. Man, we're gonna talk 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: a little golf, talk about us recently playing a little 10 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: g and then dive into some questions from readers and 11 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: listeners out there. But I want to start. You had 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: a big event last week week before out of Bandon Dunes. 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: You've been abandoned before, right, Yeah. 14 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: I've been to abandon on a couple casual trips, but 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: that plays a little different animal in tournament play. Shame 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: a little different animal. 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, PGA Professional Championship out there. You played Pacific and 18 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: Bandon Dunes or those of the two golf courses, and 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: it was Wendy right the whole week. 20 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was Wendy. No rain, thank goodness. But yeah, 21 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: classic Bandon Wind and super challenging, super challenging. It was 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: a great course for me. I got off to a 23 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: slow start. You didn't play the par fives very well. 24 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: And then a band in number was the par three 25 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: number twelve thirteen Shane wait fourteen. 26 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fourteen. I think that's it's twelve twelve. 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: There's the twelve and fifteen of the two part three. 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 2: Fifteen Shane fifteen. That one. I'm trying to exit out 29 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: from my memory. That's why I couldn't remember the whole 30 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: man that that hole with the fall off to the right. 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: I had a little debacle over there for a while. 32 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: I would spend a little time down. You hit it right, well, 33 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 2: I hit I hit an iron shot that got caught 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: up like in the bunker. I thought it went down 35 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: the hill on my t shot. It got caught up 36 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: in a big old clump of band in rough right 37 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: behind it. I was trying to just hit this dumpy 38 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: little pitch and roll it down there and hit it 39 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: high in the face. Goes up a little bit, and 40 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: then it caught the the wind blew it over, caught 41 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: the slope and went down. I'm like, what in the world. 42 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: Let's just say I had a couple of chips from 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: down there in that valley before I got up the hill. 44 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Listen, Mcam, You're not the first, not gonna be the last. 45 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of people down there over the years 46 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: that have that have basically picked up. So yeah, that 47 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: uh that crushes you? Is that? Is that the biggest 48 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: event you play in every year? I mean as a 49 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: class a pro? Is that is that kind of your 50 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: your masters, your US Open style? 51 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: For sure? For sure? Uh, it's it's an awesome tournament. 52 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: Number it's I mean it's uh, it's on it's on 53 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: televis on golf channels. No crazy, but watching it was 54 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: amazing this year because all the views and all the 55 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: the wind blowing and all that stuff. But yeah, no, 56 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: it is. It is the biggest event for us PG 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: of American professionals. Is what we want to always try 58 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: to requalify for. It's the gateway you finished top twenty, 59 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: you get into the PGA Championship, if you finish super 60 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: high and get on the PGA Cup team, which I've 61 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: played on a few of those. That's like Ryder Cup 62 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: for the PGA professionals, which is awesome. So obviously a 63 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: decent person, things of that nature, but Shane, this year, 64 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: my golf wasn't great. But let's just say my kids 65 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: had an epic golf trip to Bandon Dunes. 66 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: Do they do they like go sneak over and play 67 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: other golf courses or what? 68 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: They may or may not have played shorties twice, preserved 69 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: old mac once and my oldest one birdied three of 70 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: the last five holes, and then when I missed the cut, 71 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: let's just say we might have snuck over to a 72 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: sheep's ranch. 73 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Ah, look at you, you're checking the box. Did you 74 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: have anything new in the bag because of Bandon, like 75 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: an idi or anything? 76 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? So actually so ironically, I kind of I went 77 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: up there with a lot of clubs and I actually. 78 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: Wait real quick, how many is a lot? 79 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Like? 80 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: How many were in the back? 81 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: My travel bag went sixty nine point five pounds, you know, 82 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: over seventy You got a little problem. 83 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: So but did you have like, did you have like 84 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen clubs? 85 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: I had a couple of different putters in there, and 86 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: then a lot a lot of things around the top 87 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: end of the bag. I brought a three wood because 88 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know if it'd be three wood or thriver. 89 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: I brought id I three iron, and then I brought 90 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: my five wood. I'm really glad I brought a five 91 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: wood because even though it was very windy, five wood 92 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: was actually a very important club because you got, i 93 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: mean the Pacific, a couple of those part fives where 94 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: you got second shots that are a little bit up 95 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: and so even though it was wind you actually needed 96 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: to launch the ball in the air a little bit 97 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: on a few of those those shots. And there was 98 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: never really any ide eyes off the tee. It wasn't 99 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: really like I'm gonna hit that off the tee and 100 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: say I actually banded number sixteen, that awesome hole this 101 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: kind of down wind that actually could be a five 102 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: wood there. You actually don't want an id I there 103 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: because you could go chasing through or not carry that 104 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: little crosscunker thing. So I actually played a five wood 105 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: and that came in quite handy. Handy for me. 106 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, the id I. I've been bouncing around, you know, 107 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: playing Northeast golf. The golf courses are most of the 108 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: time not that long, but a lot of them are 109 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: really tight. And I was a seven wood guy. I've 110 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: probably been seven wood for the last couple of years. 111 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: I've gone back to the two iron. I was always 112 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: a or like in my twenties, I played two irons 113 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: all the time. I've been going two iron IDI in 114 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: the bag. I mean it is just a like it's 115 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: a saving grace for me if I'm not driving it great, 116 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: or if the hole's real tight and I'm a little 117 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: bit nervous on the tee, I'll pull that thing out 118 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: and it's I think it's the best drive and iron 119 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: I've ever played life. The IDI and the fact that 120 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm as confident with that club right now as I've 121 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: ever been with a driving iron. I mean it's basically 122 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: something I'm gonna hit three four times a round off 123 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: the tea. 124 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: So Shane, let's talk a little bit about your g lately. 125 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: You you just did something a little bit fun, made 126 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: it through us open locals, clean, no playoff straight in there. 127 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Talk about nervous, man, it was dude, it was crazy. 128 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, I've had a good run. I made a 129 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: hole in one at my club a couple of weeks ago, 130 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: and I've made now four holes in one since my 131 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: first in Where's that thing at? That was twenty twenty 132 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: one at Wine Valley. So first Amost twenty twenty one. 133 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: I've now made four. Three of them have been with 134 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: ping wedges, which is a bit wild. So made a 135 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: whole one of my club a couple of weeks ago 136 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: with the wedge on number five and then have not 137 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: been playing great golf as of late. Did a little 138 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: bit of a tweak with my golf swing and it's 139 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: made a ton of difference. And so played a golf 140 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: course here for US Open, local called Great River. Got 141 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: off to a really nice start, made an eagle on 142 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: one of the par fives, which was helpful. Nice and 143 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: it was blowing, dude, it was blowing like twenty all 144 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: day and just grinding. Man, it was like a grind 145 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: all day. I birdied seventeen's a par five, made a 146 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: really nice part on eighteen and shot two under and 147 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: got in and there was one two under on the board. 148 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: I was the second two under and there were five spots. 149 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: I think it was ninety something players in the field, 150 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: five spots. Marty. It was thirty minutes away. This golf 151 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: course is thirty minutes away towards the city. Okay, so 152 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: when you go City East in the northeast, starting at 153 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: about three o'clock, that might take thirty minutes. It might 154 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: take two and a half hours. And so I'm talking 155 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: to the CSGA staff. I'm like, what do you guys think, 156 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: Like can I go home or should I stick around? 157 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: They're like, you should be good, you should be good. 158 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'll go home. Fine, I'll go home. 159 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: I'll just sit and check it out. I mean, I 160 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: think the last group was on six or seven when 161 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: that happened. So yeah, you know, you got two and 162 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: a half three hours. So I go home. Uh, somebody 163 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: else posts two. So now there's three at two under. Uh. 164 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: One of the best players in the area got named 165 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: Cody Palladino, was kind of starting to make a run 166 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: late to get to two under, and I'm like, I 167 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: should probably drive back. So I I like, I like, 168 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: throw my clothes back in the car. I drive back 169 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: to the golf course. It's like bumper to bumper the 170 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: whole way on the on the on the interstate, and 171 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, any time it's like stopped, I'm a refresh 172 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: in the app. You don't see anybody else is making 173 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: a run. There were by the time I got back 174 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: to the club, there were five at two under and 175 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: one kid on the golf course was at one under, 176 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: and so you know, I'm starting James, who produces this podcast, 177 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: as just such a great job at peeing. We're texting. 178 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: He goes, just prepare yourself for a playoff and low 179 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: and behold, nobody else got there. So it was as 180 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: clean as you mentioned. Five at two under, got the medal, 181 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: got the got the cool shamous thing they give you. 182 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: Now you get through and yeah, I mean second time 183 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: I've got through local qualifying on my day. I know 184 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: you've done it as well. And onto the big show, 185 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: which I'm fired up about. I think it's June eighth, 186 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: this year's golf's longest day. 187 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: Dude, that is so exciting, Shane. I mean, I just 188 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: love the opportunity. Man. It's just you got a chance, 189 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: you don't roll it out. Don't be afraid to do something, 190 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: something wild, you know what I mean? Why not? 191 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I lose. It's funny. My wife has been she's 192 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: been pushing me, like practice, you know, when you need 193 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: to play golf, like I'm playing on a tournament after 194 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: the PGA, She's like, sign up for it, playing it, 195 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Like why not? How many more opportunities are going to 196 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: get to do this? How many how many golf's longest 197 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: days have you played? You know, I think I've done five. 198 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: My last one was maybe three years ago. I went 199 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: to Springfield Country Club in Ohio. This is the one 200 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: where the greens are like super pitched and the same 201 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: players make it through everything every single year. I remember, 202 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: I remember Sawhith actually made it through you just like 203 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: joined our staff turn pro whatever. He made it through 204 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: there in that year. But yeah, I've got paired with 205 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: a few of our pink staffers a few times in sectional. 206 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's uh yeah. I did Olympic Club once. 207 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: I did the Ohio Tour one many many years ago. 208 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: That one was really fun. I actually liked doing that 209 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: one man, and you got did you get through? If 210 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: you've gotten through one or two, did you have you played? 211 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: You played in one us. 212 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: O one US Open at wing foot and that one 213 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 2: I was the COVID one and I was second on 214 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: the PGA of America Player the Year national points list. 215 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: And this is when they were the USGA was trying 216 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: to figure out, hey, how do we make a representative field, 217 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: And so you know I put a few college players 218 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: in there, a few, a few like we'll talk, We'll 219 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: take the top three from the PGA of America points list, 220 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: and so I was playing good at the time. So 221 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: that's how I got in the wing foot one. 222 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: Marty, let me ask you a question in terms of qualifying, Like, 223 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: headed into golf's longest day, do you have a number, 224 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Like do you think about a number that you need 225 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: to shoot that day? Or do you go out and 226 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: just try to play as good a golf as you 227 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: can play. 228 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: Just try to play as good as golf as you 229 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: could play. You know, I think you got thirty six 230 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: holes eighteen hole qualifier. I mean, Shane, did you have 231 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 2: any bogies? You have any bogies in your in your two? 232 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: Two bogies? 233 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 2: Two bogies, but obviously it's win three boges. Sorry, three bogies, Okay, 234 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: three bogies. Nice and you had an eagle in there, 235 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: which which is beautiful, but uh yeah, usually in the 236 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: eighteen holes, man, it's like minimize bogies. But you got 237 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: to play a little bit more aggressive when you have 238 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 2: thirty six holes. Even though it's you're gonna have to 239 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: be playing quite good golf, which you you know you're 240 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: absolutely capable of, it's still about a little bit minimizing mistakes. 241 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: But but you do you do need to play with 242 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: a little bit of aggressiveness, as you know, Shane, because 243 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: you can't be mega conservative and make it through. So 244 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to go out there with a little 245 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: bit of more conservative birdie style, get under part type 246 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: of mindset. 247 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I asked a kid who caddied for me when 248 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: I got through US Amateur a couple of years ago. 249 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: I got I qualified. I here a thirty six hole 250 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: day and he was a local caddy at the club 251 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: and he'd reached out to me on Instagram and ask 252 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: if you get caddy, and he ended up being perfect 253 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: for me. He was very aggressive in terms of the 254 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: way he caddy, his mindset, and even the way he 255 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: talked to me. I remember we were on the tenth 256 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: one hole and he goes second round, par five, out 257 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: of bounds left. I'm in the right trees, but there's 258 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: a window, and he's like, yeah, just hook it around 259 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: the trees, it'll be fine, and get up there by 260 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: the green, make birdie. And you know, shots like that, 261 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: I probably would have just pitched out, laid up to 262 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: one hundred yards, and his mindset was, let's be aggressive. 263 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: And I sent him a note. It was like, do 264 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: you want a caddy on golf song this day? He's 265 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: like hell yeah, and I'm like okay, So we're gonna 266 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: rock and roll once again. He worked out last time, 267 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: So we'll see how it goes. But I'm looking forward 268 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: to it now. We have some questions. We asked people 269 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter and TikTok, and I know you're 270 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: big on TikTok always, you know, posting all your stuff 271 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: over there. We asked people just to give us any 272 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: questions they had about paying golf, deep dives, whatever, and 273 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: we got some great ones. I know you kind of 274 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: went through and combed through some of them. This one 275 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: is one of my favorites, by the way, from Richard Waltermeyer. 276 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: I think this was really smart. Never thought about this. 277 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: If I want to get a complete fitted set of clubs, 278 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: do you start wedge and go up, driver go down 279 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: or irons and build from there again, never thought about this. 280 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: It's a really smart question. It's very interesting. It's kind 281 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: of like do you look at your shadow or not 282 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: on the backswing. Now, forever you think about your shadow again. 283 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm now forever gonna be thinking about how to build 284 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: a set from where you start. 285 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: That is a great question from Richard. I would frame 286 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: this around what is the importance of each club to 287 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: your score and how much you're gonna use them. So 288 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: I like this idea, Shane. Let's go driver first the 289 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: foundation of your game. Then actually putter second, because you're 290 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: gonna use the putter the most. Those are the top 291 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: one two for scoring and it's gonna be really the 292 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: foundation of your golf game. Then I would go irons. 293 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: And the reason why I would go irons next is 294 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: because irons will inform let's say your wedges in your gapping, 295 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 2: and then irons will be whatever the longest iron, your 296 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: comfortable playing or your launch conditions will produce playing inform 297 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: whether the combination of your high lofted hybrids and what 298 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: your fairwy woods are. So I'd go driver, putter, then irons. 299 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: Then I would probably do wedges next because short game 300 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: chipping grinds bounce around the green, and then I would 301 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: fill in with kind of the transition clubs hybrid's fairwy woods. 302 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 2: From there. This is just an absolutely fantastic question. 303 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean again, I have never even considered where 304 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: you start. If you want to get fitted on, you know, 305 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: on the front. And again, I feel like golfers are 306 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: scared to ask these kind of totally like just go 307 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: in and you just you know, you feel confident, like 308 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: you know what you're doing. It's like very easy to 309 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: ask this level of question and go to get answer 310 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: for Marty, Zach Gilliford said, generally, changing iron shafts to 311 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: a heavier and stiffer shaft decreases launch and spin. Is 312 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: this the case with wedges or the opposite. Love to 313 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts and which recommends shaft why for golfers 314 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: from their iron shafts to their specialty wedge shafts and wedges. 315 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. We certainly get this one a lot. 316 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: I think a good way, good high level framework to 317 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: think about this question is what weg shafts? Should you play? 318 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: Should you go heavier keep the same shaft in your irons? 319 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: Let's say you play an iron shaft that's well, I 320 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: we'll call it like one hundred grams or more so, 321 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: something one hundred and ten range DG one twenty something 322 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: like that, very common, and the default will be to 323 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: kind of keep that same shaft into your wedges. Similar 324 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: feels similar weight and balance really good launch conditions. Now, 325 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: if you playing an iron shaft that is sub one 326 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: hundred let's say an eighty five gram graphite shafts something 327 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: of that nature, I would consider going in your wedges 328 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: up about ten grams in your web shaft. That'll help 329 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: you give you a little more feel in your short 330 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: game shots. Things around the green might help you find 331 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: the bottom a little bit better. And one piece on 332 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: wedg shafts that is less commonly known, and I'll call 333 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: it wedge swing weight as well, is they can have 334 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: a pretty significant impact on your left right bias. So 335 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: if you pull your wedges but your liingle's good right, 336 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: let's say your lingel's good, your turf interaction is good, 337 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: your dynamic delivery is good. You've gone and checked your lingles, 338 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: but you still pull your wedges, then you either go. 339 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: I would go to either a heavier wedg shaft and 340 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: or slightly heavier swing weight. And the weight of your 341 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: wedge shafts will also inform your low point consistency. So 342 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: if you're a little too light, you might tend to 343 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: hit them fat or bottom out a little bit too early. 344 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: If you're a little too heavy, you might tend to 345 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: thin it or moves your low point a little bit forward. 346 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: So that's kind of something to be mindful of an 347 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: experiment with. Certainly a good tip for our fitters out 348 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: there as well is that the weight of your wedges, 349 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: swing weight and shaft can really inform your low point 350 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: and a little bit of your left right bias, independent 351 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: and different than the impact of lingel Yeah, I. 352 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: Mean, I'm an ex one hundred guy in my iron 353 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: and I do go s four hundred in the sandwich 354 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: and loblash because again, you're just not You're not gonna 355 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: go as hard. You're not hitting full shots most of 356 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: the time with those clubs going a little bit softer. 357 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought that was interesting. Again, kind of 358 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: questions that you know you're thinking about, but maybe you 359 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: don't have the right person to ask. Marty always the 360 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: right person to ask in that department. Eric Bradner said 361 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: high loft that hybrids are popular on the LPGA tour. 362 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: Does ping do anything special hot metal, hot melt, different adapters, 363 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: different heads, all that stuff to eliminate the drawby as 364 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: built into the retail models of the five, six seven 365 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Hybrids for those players on the LPGA tour. 366 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. We dominate the LPGA tour in hybrids. 367 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: I think our tour report from the LPGA last week 368 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: is we had forty in play forty G four forty 369 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: or total overall hybrids and play on the LPGA tour. 370 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: So certainly see a lot of them out there. We 371 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: do not do a lot special with hot melt on 372 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: those heads. But what I did look at when we 373 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: looked at our spec sheets of our LPGA tour players, 374 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: a lot of them, and our tour rep out there, 375 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Jack Ulrich, does a fantastic job fitting our players here. 376 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: Leverage the flat settings or the secret settings in our 377 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: trajectory tuning sleeve. So when I was going through all 378 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: of our specs, a lot of them are a little 379 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: bit flatter and lingle. So that's certainly something our players 380 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: can utilize in our tour fitter out there, Jack utilizes 381 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: with our LPGA Tour players. So it's the beauty of 382 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: our trajectory tuning sleeve. You can go a little bit 383 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: flatter inform the left right bias for you out there. 384 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: You can also always use swingwait a little bit to 385 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: kind of tweak your left right bias as well. That's 386 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: a great little lever is to there's nothing wrong with say, 387 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: ordering your hybrid a touch heavier to influence that left 388 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: right bias as well. 389 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Camille no Walk said, if irons are bent into retroloft 390 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: spec and not forged, how much does the bending process 391 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: affect the offset and balance of that club? 392 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. So yeah, if you're gonna add loft 393 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: use our retro spec, you're gonna lose a little bit 394 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: of the offset. So if you add a little bit 395 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 2: of loft, the lead edge is going to move a 396 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: little bit forward, so the hausal access to lead edge 397 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: is going to be reduced, So you'll lose a little 398 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: bit of offset, and you will change the bounce at 399 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: a one to one ratio or whatever the loft change is. 400 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: So our retrospec is really cool because it's not just 401 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: strengthening them all perfectly one and a half degrees. We 402 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: do that in the middle of the set, but we 403 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: go a little bit less in the wedges to be 404 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: mindful of your gapping. But something to be mindful of. 405 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: It can be used to your advantage. If one of 406 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: the big pieces of iron fitting is to think about 407 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: not only your launch conditions but also the bounce fitting 408 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 2: but that is something to be mindful of when you're 409 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: doing retro or conversely power spec, you're going to reduce 410 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: the bounce a little bit. 411 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: All Right. I got one for both of us from 412 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: Sam Harris. He said, what has been both mine and 413 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: your favorite episode you've done at the Pink Proving Grounds podcast? Marty, 414 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: I'll let you go first. 415 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: Victor Hovlin the monday after he won the BMW and 416 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: the week he won the Tour Championship. How about you, Shane. 417 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: You know I did one with Bubba, and you know, 418 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: Bubba can at times really open up about like his 419 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: golf and his life and where he's at in the moment, 420 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: and I felt like it was a great Bubba day 421 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: and a great Bubba conversation, and I just feel like 422 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: that one for me, for whatever reason, stood out. I 423 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: love anytime we talked to Victor. 424 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 425 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: I just find Victor the most interesting or one of 426 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: the most interesting guys and all a professional golf got 427 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: a chance to catch up with him not too long 428 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: ago with Shane Knight, which I thought was great. But yeah, 429 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: the fact that Victor agreed to do a pot after 430 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: the win, literally the Monday after and then goes on 431 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: to win the Tour Championship was was epic. 432 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: Stuff that was epic. It wasn't even probably twelve hours 433 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: after he won and there he is right on time 434 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: and just scott to do. 435 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: He wasn't bloodshot eyed or anything. He was just good 436 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: to go. 437 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: It was so visceral man being that recent to the victory, right, 438 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 2: it is just like a real time interview. I love 439 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: that one. 440 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: Donnie Hall said during the Driver Fairway Hybrid fitting, how 441 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: is the amount of shaft to be tipped determined? 442 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, tipping? This is kind of interesting one Shane. Tipping 443 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: is becoming less and less used by our fitters. And 444 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: the reason why is because before trajectory tuning sleeves, it 445 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: was it was one of your main and only options 446 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: to change launch conditions. Right, But now that we have 447 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: trajectory tuning, you can use that to kind of tweak 448 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: launch conditions, maybe a little bit more than tipping. That 449 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: being said, great tool in the toolbox. Still, a general 450 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: rule is that two inches of tipping is about one flex, right, 451 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: So if you're in the in between flex, and this 452 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: is very similar to stepping with iron shafts, you if hey, 453 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: this shaft's the X flex in this is a little 454 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: too stiff. The stiff flex is not stiff enough, and 455 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: you need to get in between from either a feel 456 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: and or launch condition standpoint, like I need the launch 457 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: down and the spin down just a little, but going 458 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: a full flex is too much. Tip it about one inch. 459 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: That two inch rule is very general. Every shaft has 460 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: different flags and EI profiles and things of that nature, 461 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: but that's kind of good general heuristic. 462 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: What can I ask you a question? Remember when the 463 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: puring a shaft was really popular? What did that mean? 464 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: What was that? What did that mean? 465 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, peering was this idea that, okay, shafts might not 466 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: be bend perfectly or have the same bending stiffness in 467 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: different axes. So if you kind of look at a 468 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: shaft like a clock. You're going to move the clock 469 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: around and you twang it on a frequency machine and 470 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: the frequency might be to ninety two, But then you 471 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: move it ninety degrees Shane, and the frequency is now 472 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: to eighty eight. You would pick which one that either 473 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: is the frequency that might be better for you or 474 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: that's more stable. That is becoming less and less of 475 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: a hot topic in the industry for a couple reasons, 476 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: mainly is that shaft design and manufacturing is so much 477 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: better now that we try to do a big research 478 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: study on peering and whether good or bad or how 479 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: much influence it would have, and we couldn't find shafts 480 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: that were out of around. We had to purposely interesting 481 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: shafts that had a spine to them. We had to 482 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: make bad shafts on purpose. So the quality of shaft manufacturing, 483 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: specifically graphite, has gone up so much. They're designed imbalance 484 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: their manufacturing balance. We are QC processes keep imbalance that. 485 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: Now you can take your shaft and put in different 486 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: sleeves and I don't have to worry about the bending 487 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: stiffness being different different orientations. 488 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: See, that's why, that's why you're here. I asked this 489 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: kind of question to you, Brian, yourriba said, what kind 490 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: of philosophy does pain follow when updating golf clubs? I 491 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: think that's the idea of like a new driver or 492 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: a new iron comes out. What's the philosophy in terms 493 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: of introducing those you know and saying this is the 494 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: next thing you probably need your back? 495 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, compound interest. We try to build on our foundation, 496 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: our sixty plus years of R and D engineering, to 497 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: solve problems that help the golfer play better golf or 498 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: help their enjoyment of the game, and a lot of 499 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: times do both. So it could be that we're we 500 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: have a we want to learn from and after every 501 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: design project, we did this really cool process where the 502 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: designers like, hey, if I had to start this project 503 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: over again, what would I do differently? What do I regret? 504 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: Where did I come up a little bit short? And 505 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 2: maybe it's acoustics, Maybe hey, I need uh the drivers 506 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: out in the field, but the spin is a little 507 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: bit too high. We can make the inertial a little 508 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 2: bit higher. So we really have these priorities based in 509 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: engineering first principles. How do we improve the performance of 510 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: the product or help golfer enjoy the game a little 511 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: bit more? And let's not dismiss that, you know, can 512 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: we make it sound a little bit better, look a 513 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: little bit better. So we're always kind of on this 514 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: continuum of helping golfers play their best. And that's the 515 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: fun part about working at Ping Shane is that we're 516 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: engineering driven and we can we can we can make 517 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: the decisions from from that perspective. 518 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: Marty, I had a question from me to you, you're 519 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: one of the better players at Ping. Who would you 520 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: not want to play right now the day we're recording this, 521 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: let's say, for a thousand of your own dollars that 522 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: also works at Ping. Is there somebody that you would 523 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: be in theory afraid to play against. There's a lot 524 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: of good players at Ping, kind of across every department. 525 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of good players. There's a lot of 526 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: good players that are playing good. Give a little shout 527 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: out to Adam Harding or he's been playing awesome golf lately, 528 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: but he just went Arizona, the Phoenix City am at 529 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: Papago Phoenix City. 530 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: Ami. 531 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he's playing good. I mean, there's a 532 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 2: lot of our players playing good. We had Kim Paez, 533 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: another Ping employee, playing the PJA Professional National Championship last 534 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: week as well. But I'm gonna answer your question with 535 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: Jim Hardka Canals. Yeah, you know, and he is a 536 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: he is he is a player, and he just got 537 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: his class A. So now we're gonna be competing a 538 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 2: little bit out there with the other working, working folks 539 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: like myself. 540 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Sorry, Adam, it's still hard k I hate that you 541 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: have not replaced that spot just yet, but you're playing 542 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: some great golf. Keagan Moore said, when it comes to 543 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: putter fitting, what is the most common flaw people need 544 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: help with in terms I guess of their putty? 545 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: Man, I love this question, and we really want to 546 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: break it down into the fundamentals of what's going to 547 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: influence your ability to make putts, which is starting the 548 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: ball online, getting the right speed, and then there's green 549 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 2: reading and strategy. Those are kind of the four components 550 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: of making putts. So the one piece that we see 551 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: most often is the consistency of face delivery, and that's 552 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: behind our entire heart of our fitting for your proper 553 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: stroke type. Let's say you're a golfer that doesn't rotate 554 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: the face a lot, but you're playing a strong arc 555 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: or very toe down putter, and your innate golf DNA 556 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: doesn't want to have a lot of that face rotation. 557 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: You will improve your start line consistency if you go 558 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: into a more face balance putter, So that's at the 559 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 2: heart of it. Face angle delivery. Number two is club 560 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: head speed consistency, and that's going to help control your pace, 561 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: and we can inform that a lot by inserts on 562 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: the face or headweight is really the weight and balance 563 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: is really the big one. I would be less concerned 564 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: with path and path consistency. Put that dial the knob 565 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: down on that. That's less important, and I would be 566 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: a little bit less concerned also, Shane, with maybe reducing 567 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: your impact stat area important but not critical. Work on 568 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: start line face consistency and then delivered clubhead speed consistency, 569 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: and those two things are going to help your putting 570 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: and what we put a priority on in our putter. 571 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: Fitting, Marty. Why is it that there's more mallets kind 572 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: of in the bags of pros these days? I mean 573 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: there was a big part, big push kind of online 574 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: earlier this year about how many mallets were winning on 575 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. Why do you feel like mallets have 576 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: become so much more popular? 577 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think mallets now have different hang angles to them, 578 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: they have different stroke types to them. So now you 579 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: can play a mallet like the one you're playing like 580 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: Ali Blue onset, right, So it's a mallet ysessed with mind. Yeah, 581 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: you've always been a blade guy, Shane. You're a great example. 582 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 2: I need to ask you this question, but. 583 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: You've that's a great point. 584 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: You've always you've always played it played a blade. But 585 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: now we have a mallet that feels like a blade. 586 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: If you close your eyes and let that Alley blue 587 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: on set swing it, it will feel the physics of it, 588 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: the offset of the CG, how much you're pulling on it, 589 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: feel like an answer or a blade you've always grown 590 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: up with. But you get the aim benefits of a mallet. 591 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: And I think that's the core fundamental reason why you're 592 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: seeing all of the a lot of mallets on play 593 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour is because aim and aim consistency. 594 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 2: And you see this in how they all practice their 595 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 2: putting and practice in in your lead up dates to 596 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: the PGA Tour event. They're all out there with mirrors 597 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: and lines and blocks because they know how how well 598 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 2: you can aim the putter for them, because they're so 599 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: good at green reading is super dup or important. But 600 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: now now you're not just mallets can feel like a blade, 601 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: but we have we have onset on them, and we 602 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: we can make strong arc mallets so you can have 603 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: one that plays more like a tow down putter. So 604 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: we've engineered mallets have different and hang angles and stroke 605 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: types and hozzles, but you get the MLI and aiming benefit. 606 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 2: What's your experience been with the Ali blue onset. 607 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you were It's interesting you you're 608 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: saying stuff that I've been feeling. Like a lot of 609 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: what you said is the way I feel. I mean, 610 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: going back to that US Open qualifier, I missed a 611 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: putt I made eagle on. I think the sixth was 612 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: the par five. Made a long putt and the next 613 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: toll I had about five feet for par and I 614 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: couldn't get a good feel for the read. You know, 615 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: it was one of those I just wasn't quite sure 616 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: of it, and I I didn't quite commit to the 617 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: putt and it kind of missed left. But it missed 618 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: left like you'd missed the putt with a blade, like 619 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: you didn't quite commit to it. You didn't quite give 620 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: it the right let's just call it hit if you will, 621 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: on the right line. And the miss actually helped me 622 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: later in the day because it reminded me just to 623 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: trust like the line that you're lining up to. And 624 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: I do feel like Matt Mallets at times would almost 625 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: feel bulky on those short putts, and it just doesn't 626 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: feel like the case these days. I just feel like 627 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, I had to make about a probably a 628 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: six seven foot or on sixteen seventeen and eighteen. Wow, 629 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: all of that rain and line up left lip, and 630 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: I just could trust that it would come off left 631 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: lip if I made a good stroke with the putter. 632 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: Yea. 633 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: And so that's been the beauty of it for me. 634 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: I've never used anything central shafted either on the greens. 635 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: I just love the way that I can trust the 636 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: feel of the ball coming off that blade. And I've 637 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: been obsessed. Man, I'm like all in on the mallet 638 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: right now. 639 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's awesome that. I mean, why 640 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: we have our Alley Blue onset some of our onset 641 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: putters is that you can still have that feel of 642 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: the kind of the CG pulling the cg at being 643 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: behind the shaft like that you grew up with, Like 644 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: you grew up with that amount of pulling that you're 645 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: used to. But now you can get the benefits of 646 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: the aiming and the lead edge being out in front, 647 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: so you can it's a little more undistracted there and 648 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: things of that nature. So yeah, it's a fun time 649 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 2: to be in the putter space because now we can 650 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: have mallets with all kinds of different hozzles and hang angles, Marty. 651 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Or Blade's gonna go away, there's gonna be like Percimmage 652 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: drivers or do you think they stick around? 653 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: No, I think they stick around. I mean I think 654 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: just putters are gonna get more and more diverse. I 655 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 2: think there's gonna be a natural seddling and right now 656 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: there's a shift towards mallets. Right there's a shift towards mallets, 657 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: shift towards a little bit of on set. But I 658 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: think you'll kind of still have this natural sedling for 659 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: blade putter's mid mallets and mallets. 660 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, Marty. That kind of leads into the last question. CG. 661 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Phillips said, was IQ research for mallets shapes only? Or 662 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: should I be adding dots to the top of my 663 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: answer putter as well? 664 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: Oh, great question. And the answer to that one is 665 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: that putting a dot on any style of putter can 666 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: help calm your gaze. We've seen this even recently before 667 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: the launch of the Scottsdale Tech putters. We see we've 668 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: seen Neil Shipley. He's got an answer, putter, Shane, I 669 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: think you've seen it's called the He named it the 670 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 2: dotty because it has a dot on it, and he 671 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: didn't necessarily know why he liked that, but I think 672 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: now with a little he's been uncovered by a little 673 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: bit of the science behind the dot. Joaquin Neeman plays 674 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: an answer style putter with a dot on it. There's 675 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: also been a very famous maybe the goat of all 676 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: time in golf that's won a lot of majors with 677 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: a putter with a red dot on top. So yeah, 678 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: anytime we can calm the gaze, it will help you 679 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: help you with precision tasks in delivering the face more more, 680 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: with more precision, which is what we're trying to do 681 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: in putting. 682 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Do we need to get Dottie Pepper one of the Dotties? 683 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: Is that something we should be looking into, like we 684 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: need to make sure she her bag is equipped with 685 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: such a thing that would that seems only necessary in 686 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: this golf world. Great questions from everybody. Obviously, we love 687 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: to dive into Q and a's when we do the pod. 688 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: We try to do one or two a year. We 689 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: always let you guys know on social when we're doing them, 690 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: so make sure you're following, you know, the ping socials, 691 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: my socials, Marty's as well, and you can always send 692 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: us questions, Marty, I know I get DMS a lot 693 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: of people asking me questions, yep, to then ask you 694 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: and I know you get a lot of questions as well, 695 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: and we're always open to try to help you out 696 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: if you have questions about being stuff and beyond. Always 697 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: a treat to get to dive into these, and we'll 698 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: do another one at some point before the end of 699 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: the year, Marty, I appreciate the time. As always, this 700 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: is the Being Proven Grounds podcast