Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio Together everything, So don't don't do what soaking my Mormons?
Speaker 1: Alright for the week off to you guys, is this soaking?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right, right right out of the gate.
Speaker 1: So you know how like when you were in high school,
Speaker 1: the Catholic kids in our talk, Yeah, well it's very important, Katie,
Speaker 1: It's incredibly important. So Kate me you you know you
Speaker 1: did you go Did you guys all go to public schools? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I was not recording. Oh well, we're
Speaker 1: keeping all of this. We're keeping everything we did so far. Katie,
Speaker 1: you went to a public school, Cody, you went to
Speaker 1: public school. I went to a public school. We all
Speaker 1: had like, like Catholic kids at the schools and also
Speaker 1: Catholic schools that you like would compete with. And so
Speaker 1: every time now and then you'd meet like Catholic kids,
Speaker 1: and Catholic kids fucked as much as everybody else, but
Speaker 1: they had been There was this widespread belief, particularly among
Speaker 1: the Catholic girls that I knew in high school, that
Speaker 1: it didn't count if it was but sex, that like
Speaker 1: that wasn't you weren't you weren't having premarital sex if
Speaker 1: it was in the ask because you can't make a
Speaker 1: baby that way. Funny, it's so funny to jump from um,
Speaker 1: just the most obvious thing to jump to butt sex
Speaker 1: like like that is it's funny because there's enough if
Speaker 1: you if you extend that logic, you could argue that, like, well,
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church shouldn't have any problem with gay sex
Speaker 1: because it's not sex because children can't be like under
Speaker 1: their definition of it. You know, I don't know, I've
Speaker 1: never understood it. But that was that was what can
Speaker 1: we get the pop on? Yeah, I've been reaching out
Speaker 1: to the Pope, by which I mean I have been
Speaker 1: screaming at the Vatican during my weekly visits to Italy. Um.
Speaker 1: But but so far, no response. I mean I've gotten
Speaker 1: arrested a few times, but no, like practical response. It's
Speaker 1: a form of a response, yeah, from from someone. Um.
Speaker 1: So soaking is the Mormon equivalent of that, right, because
Speaker 1: because kids are always as horny as as kids always are.
Speaker 1: But if your religion says you can't do this, you
Speaker 1: can't do that, you find ways to do this in
Speaker 1: that that don't violate your religion. So you can't like
Speaker 1: fuck before marriage if you're Mormon. But soaking is not fucking.
Speaker 1: That's just getting your dick inside of vagina and just
Speaker 1: kind of lay in there. Right, That's what soaking is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what soaking is there and also that still counts
Speaker 1: as sex. Well, they're not from Mormons because they're not
Speaker 1: you're not humping and a currently, So I had heard
Speaker 1: about soaking a long time ago. That's that's a thing
Speaker 1: I've heard from enough people who like did it that
Speaker 1: I know is real. Little certain about is um jump humps,
Speaker 1: which some people on Twitter have said is a real
Speaker 1: thing that I I can't I can't confirm from people
Speaker 1: I know well who are morening. How do you put
Speaker 1: your penis inside someone and just sit there? Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you have a friend like any little bit. You can't
Speaker 1: even like breathe because like the slightest movement, it requires
Speaker 1: perfect balance, Katie, let me explain it. Because you have
Speaker 1: to be you have to have two things that are
Speaker 1: in perfect balance. You have to be very horny and
Speaker 1: you have to be very scared of God. And if
Speaker 1: your horny nous outweighs your fear of God, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna fuck and if your fear of God outweighs your
Speaker 1: horny nous, you're not gonna sunk at all. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: then you soak. You got to keep the atoms from
Speaker 1: from dancing. And maybe, allegedly the people are claiming on
Speaker 1: Twitter and out jump pumping has been added where you
Speaker 1: will have a friend jump on the bed because then
Speaker 1: it's kind of like like thrusting. It creates the friction.
Speaker 1: It creates friction, but they're not doing it someone else's.
Speaker 1: I can't confirm. I know for a fact that because
Speaker 1: of Mormons that I know well who were not like bullshitting,
Speaker 1: that's soaking is a thing. I mean, we call that
Speaker 1: a threesome. I'm pretty sure you call it are what
Speaker 1: kind of threesomes? Do you have? No more monkeys jumping
Speaker 1: on the bed? I mean, in a way it's a threesome.
Speaker 1: It's recomplicate them. It just sucks and it's bad, like
Speaker 1: it's just making a threesome. Shitty. Yeah, we have unpacked this.
Speaker 1: I think we need to unpack one more thing. Because
Speaker 1: if you if the goal is to keep no friction
Speaker 1: in your sex and just sit there, just sit in it, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to it, but or the logic, but whatever,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. In order to get it in, you're
Speaker 1: creating friction. Yeah, so like you have to have a
Speaker 1: little bit of sex, or you have to be very
Speaker 1: careful about how you get it in. I just have
Speaker 1: to say, because I have to say it, that's sex.
Speaker 1: It's penetration, it's sex. I don't care how them. I
Speaker 1: think a variety of other things are sex too. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that is. I think it's it's it's sex. If you
Speaker 1: just go down on someone or someone goes down on you,
Speaker 1: those are all sex acts. It's sex if you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like making out and groping and following each
Speaker 1: other at the point of orgasm. Yeah, I think sex
Speaker 1: is a hearty wink. Wow, I have had a lot
Speaker 1: of sex with a lot of strangers. In that case, um,
Speaker 1: I should get my eyes tested. I just I'm just
Speaker 1: a winker. So it's not a blink. A blink is
Speaker 1: not to be confused that I mean not a that's
Speaker 1: not consent. That does kind of make me wonder about
Speaker 1: Mormon oral sex. Like can you face soak and then
Speaker 1: jump pump and that that counts more than five minutes?
Speaker 1: I did enjoy the friend in the post that sort
Speaker 1: of knocked this off. The person who is doing the
Speaker 1: jump pumping for a friend use the phrase called to soak,
Speaker 1: which is a pun on call to serve, which is
Speaker 1: like a Mormon like thing. From what I understand, it's
Speaker 1: amazing and good for them. Well, I do feel like
Speaker 1: these people clearly have the moral upper hand from us,
Speaker 1: last of us going to hell. It's very funny. It's
Speaker 1: always very funny when when churches get weird about sex,
Speaker 1: because the only thing it does is it is it
Speaker 1: creates a generation of kids who are even weirder about
Speaker 1: sex than they would have been if they'd just been
Speaker 1: allowed to like do whatever when they were kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is funny, and that's that's what we should
Speaker 1: take away from this. But also it is upsetting people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a person jumping on the bed so their
Speaker 1: friends can have friction, actually introduction into into non monogamy.
Speaker 1: Who knows what it really should? Move on to the news.
Speaker 1: I think I will say one thing, you think your
Speaker 1: kids are soaking, show them sex education. The TV show
Speaker 1: on Netflix, British show There's the third season just came out.
Speaker 1: I'm it's awesome. It's a great show dealing about teen
Speaker 1: sexuality and having conversations and about culture and how we
Speaker 1: talk about sex, etcetera. And UM, that's my way of
Speaker 1: wrapping up this segment, giving you something useful. And I
Speaker 1: was gonna end it. No no, no, no no, it's better
Speaker 1: than what I was gonna say, which is stopped talking
Speaker 1: and everything disgusting. But yeah, let's talk about some news things.
Speaker 1: I don't know what news things. I love the news. UM,
Speaker 1: I want to talk real quick. This is sort of inconsequential,
Speaker 1: but I think it's also indicative of the times. Um.
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio introduced this bill. Speaking by the way, speaking
Speaker 1: of Marco Rubio, inconsequential but indicative of the times is
Speaker 1: the perfect, the perfect description of that man. The top
Speaker 1: of his website, UM, his re election campaign is this bill.
Speaker 1: And it's about wokeness and corporations. And we knew this
Speaker 1: was coming, and speaking of soaking, we knew this was coming. Um,
Speaker 1: And it's just the silliest thing I think one could imagine,
Speaker 1: while also again being very indicative at the times. It's
Speaker 1: called the Mind your Own Business Act, and I you know,
Speaker 1: we're calling it an anti woke bill. And we can.
Speaker 1: You know, it's dismissive language. It's this anti woke stuff.
Speaker 1: It literally uses the word woke in the bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything more embarrassing than a senator
Speaker 1: writing a republic in writing a Mind your Own Business Act.
Speaker 1: Have I just have a question, have I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: been lots of ridiculous names of legislation, but this one's
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's always been such, you know, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it has anyway, Oh yeah, the Mind your
Speaker 1: Own Business Act ridiculous, just so ridiculous and um, aside
Speaker 1: from just the fact that a senator wrote a bill
Speaker 1: and was like, I'll use the word woke and put
Speaker 1: it in quotes, and that'll that's the law. That's a
Speaker 1: law that I think should exist. Is nonsense. Explain this law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read some quotes from Ruby's office and
Speaker 1: Rubio himself because it's quite a doozy. Um. Specifically, the
Speaker 1: legislation would require corporate directors to prove their quote woke
Speaker 1: corporate actions were in the shareholder's best interest in order
Speaker 1: to avoid liability for breach of fiduciary duty and shareholder
Speaker 1: litigation over corporate actions relating to certain social policies. It
Speaker 1: would also incentivize corporate management to stop abusing their positions
Speaker 1: to advance left wing social policies by increasing their personal
Speaker 1: liability to shareholders for breaches of fiduciary duty resulting from
Speaker 1: these questions. Yes, question, so very specific um about incentivizing
Speaker 1: corporate management to stop abusing their positions to advance left
Speaker 1: wing social policies. Now does this work in reverse? So
Speaker 1: interesting question? Probably there So spoiler, There are no no
Speaker 1: co sponsors for this bill. It's bill, and it's because
Speaker 1: even even the other like all of the Republicans running
Speaker 1: these a lot of these companies don't want this bill
Speaker 1: because it would just be it would just be creating
Speaker 1: a big legal clusterfuck. And the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is everything that he's calling like corporations doing woke things
Speaker 1: against the interest of the shareholders. Those corporations are only
Speaker 1: doing because they see it as the best thing for
Speaker 1: their them any fucking action if they don't think it's profitable.
Speaker 1: None of them are doing it to be woke. They're
Speaker 1: all doing it because most people hate the kind of
Speaker 1: ship that Marco Rubio uh grand stands about. Because he's
Speaker 1: he's playing to a tiny audience of about three percent
Speaker 1: of Americans who give money to him and people like him. Um,
Speaker 1: it's so yes, yes, exactly. Um, it's very laughable um
Speaker 1: and also insidious. Um. But like an example of the
Speaker 1: clusterfuck you're talking about, there's like language in there about um,
Speaker 1: like divisive concepts of like sex, stereotyping and things like that.
Speaker 1: And as I think it was Max kennerally I think
Speaker 1: pointed this out where so you can sue hungry man
Speaker 1: frozen dinners because that's a that's a stereotype. Yeah, about
Speaker 1: that's a stereotype. You can totally do that. But that's
Speaker 1: not what Marco is talking about. He's talking about like, uh,
Speaker 1: companies saying like that's a bad law. It's so it's
Speaker 1: so ridiculous. I want to talking about a company putting
Speaker 1: up like a fucking trans Right's flag on their Twitter
Speaker 1: account or something like he's talking about. What he's talking
Speaker 1: about our gestures that like at most are like mildly
Speaker 1: pleasant to see and and and are generally completely ineffective.
Speaker 1: Like again, are things that the companies don't believe, but
Speaker 1: rather they understand the way the country is going, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to keep making money. Yeah, they're not. They're
Speaker 1: not taking a stand for wokeness. It's Pride month, and
Speaker 1: all of their competitors put up flags, So they're doing
Speaker 1: the thing that everybody does during Pride months. Um. It's
Speaker 1: so it's so obvious. Um. This is one other quote
Speaker 1: from him that I think is very funny from him. Specifically,
Speaker 1: patriotic Americans who love their country and the opportunity it
Speaker 1: provides should be able to fight back against the growing
Speaker 1: tyranny of the woke elites running corporate America. These are
Speaker 1: often nationalist corporations. I thought the corporation for people that
Speaker 1: a mass fortunes divorced from the fate of our great
Speaker 1: country while pushing socially destructive far left policies, lie Boycott's
Speaker 1: and canceled crusades at home. I'm sorry who burned all
Speaker 1: the nikes? M hm oh, oh what what? I don't
Speaker 1: remember that, Therefore it didn't happen. It must not have happened.
Speaker 1: That who flushed their razors down the toilet? Um, it's
Speaker 1: so nonsensical, but also an important thing about it's obviously
Speaker 1: like you can use it, like I said, for like
Speaker 1: hungry man dinners or whatever the funk you want, because
Speaker 1: it's so vague. Um, it's vague on purpose. Uh. And
Speaker 1: it's insidious. Uh. Much like when Ted Cruz tried to
Speaker 1: get Antifa labeled a terrorist organization, where he used like
Speaker 1: it was like Antifa but also like left wing activism
Speaker 1: and like protesters associated with Antifa's all sort of vague
Speaker 1: terms that could mean anything. Uh. Marco Rubio knows that
Speaker 1: the term woke can mean anything. It can mean against
Speaker 1: police brutality, it can mean environmentalism, it can mean anything
Speaker 1: to anybody. Um. So it's just very obviously sort of
Speaker 1: like yeah, like whatever, it's it's a right wing term
Speaker 1: for I don't like this, yes, um. And it's so
Speaker 1: it's just so funny that he's trying to do this,
Speaker 1: and so like you said, like just he is the
Speaker 1: inconsequential but like most appropriate fucking figure now. Um. And
Speaker 1: I just thought it was important to bring this up
Speaker 1: because it's so silly, but also this is but also
Speaker 1: this is what these people are trying to do. Um.
Speaker 1: And eventually somebody might get an actual co sponsor on
Speaker 1: their terrible bill um and push this forward. Um, and
Speaker 1: then it'll be a clusterfuck because you know anything can
Speaker 1: mean anything else. Um, but I just thought it was
Speaker 1: so funny. And uh, I can't believe he actually wrote
Speaker 1: the word woke twice. It's twice in the bills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I can, I absolutely can. These guys. His
Speaker 1: his basic seat is safe unless somebody primaries him from
Speaker 1: like the right is even like more out of their
Speaker 1: goddamn mind. Um. And he has no real national chance
Speaker 1: of things, like he knows that there's no way Marco
Speaker 1: Ruby is ever going to be president. He's tried, and
Speaker 1: he was bad at trying. So the only way for
Speaker 1: him to be relevant and to continue to make money
Speaker 1: is to signpost. Is the virtue signal for the ship
Speaker 1: that like Republicans love, like hardcore republicans love, which is
Speaker 1: stupid culture war bullshit because they have nothing else, um
Speaker 1: and none of it, none of this ship. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's nothing nonsense. And it's all they have. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just like they it's all they have. Um.
Speaker 1: When they're on like you know, the news shows, they
Speaker 1: go and meet the press or whatever, and it's all
Speaker 1: like culture wars stuff and it's just like now so
Speaker 1: now legislatively it's all cultural war stuff. Usually it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we want to cut taxes and like do that kind
Speaker 1: of ship. But now it's just like, yeah, we hate
Speaker 1: corporations now, but only because of the wokeness um and
Speaker 1: it would require like it's so it's just like a
Speaker 1: misunderstanding of the situation too, whether it's purposeful or not,
Speaker 1: because the bill is to put the burden of proof
Speaker 1: on corporations to show that they're far left actions are
Speaker 1: in the shareholder's best interests, and as we have discussed,
Speaker 1: they are because most people want that kind of ship,
Speaker 1: whether or not they believe it. That's what the people want.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, And it's just so obvious, and yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: never there will never be any like I don't know,
Speaker 1: wreck heading here because the thing that the GOP cannot
Speaker 1: ever do is acknowledge that, like their policies are unpopular,
Speaker 1: if not hated, by more than sixty percent of the nation.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, but they like the entirety of their actual
Speaker 1: like political relevance is based on denying that and claiming
Speaker 1: that anybody else who wins election who's not a fucking
Speaker 1: paleo conservative fascists everything whatever is uh yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: everything about about their platform is about framing the other
Speaker 1: side as other and bad, and they are ever ever
Speaker 1: running on something that is good that we need. There's
Speaker 1: cultural war, it is one hundred protecting interests and they're
Speaker 1: not even pretending otherwise because what do they stand for.
Speaker 1: It is it is impossible to actually improve anything with
Speaker 1: any of the measures they improving improving. Democrats aren't much better, No,
Speaker 1: the Democrats aren't. The Democrats haven't like are are more
Speaker 1: or less incapable of improving anything, But at least their
Speaker 1: politics are based upon pretending that they will, whereas Republican
Speaker 1: politics are based on nothing but owning the lips. Like
Speaker 1: that's all they are now because that's where the money is.
Speaker 1: That's how you get the crowds, That's how you get
Speaker 1: coverage in the media. Like a lot of this is
Speaker 1: the media's falling. They will not when elections. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about a little more with a build back better baby. Um,
Speaker 1: first we gotta take a quick at break and then
Speaker 1: we're going to build back better by talking about see
Speaker 1: I hate plans to assassinate Julian A sance together everything
Speaker 1: so don't don't and better from breaks and c I
Speaker 1: a did it. They decided to do something, and they
Speaker 1: find they finally did it correctly. They finally didn't fail
Speaker 1: miserably after I mean finally didn't. Like I'm glad this
Speaker 1: information got out, and it's good that people are like
Speaker 1: up in arms about it, but it's also like, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they were spitballing about ways to murder a
Speaker 1: guy and then they didn't do it. Like in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of c I A. Fuccory, this is pretty
Speaker 1: low on the list. Actually you want to read some
Speaker 1: of this, sure, I mean, because it made me laugh.
Speaker 1: It would have been like wild as fuck if they'd
Speaker 1: ever done it. Really yeah. In response, the CIA and
Speaker 1: the White House began preparing for a number of scenarios
Speaker 1: to foil Assange's Russian departure plan. According to three former officials,
Speaker 1: those included potential gun battles within Kremlin operatives in the
Speaker 1: streets of London, crashing a car into a Russian diplomatic
Speaker 1: vehicle transporting Assange, and then grabbing him and shooting out
Speaker 1: the tires of a Russian plane carrying a Sange before
Speaker 1: it could take off to Moscow's British US officials asked
Speaker 1: their British counterpoint parts to do the shooting if gunfire
Speaker 1: was required, and the British agreed. According to a senior
Speaker 1: Administration official, um, it's so funny, you know what this
Speaker 1: all sounds like, because again they didn't do this, and
Speaker 1: we don't actually know if they even took any serious
Speaker 1: actions to like pair for this. It sounds like some
Speaker 1: fucking ci A goons watched the fifteen James Bond movie Specter. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then we're so amped up about it two years
Speaker 1: later that they were talking about you were gonna have
Speaker 1: to shoot out the fucking planes, tires, We're gonna grab him.
Speaker 1: It's like, aney, it's like a little just like like
Speaker 1: most of the this kind of ship didn't really happen
Speaker 1: all that off, especially not in places like London during
Speaker 1: the fucking height of the Cold War, Like there weren't
Speaker 1: people weren't shooting planes in towntown London or whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna read a little bit more. It
Speaker 1: is the vertical. It's unclear how serious the proposals to
Speaker 1: kill it. Of course it was. I was told they
Speaker 1: were just spitballing in staid of former senior counterintelligence official
Speaker 1: brief and the discussions about kinetic options. Regarding the Wikily founder,
Speaker 1: it was just Trump being Trump. So what this tells
Speaker 1: me is this is like the writer room for We're
Speaker 1: on the clock. They're paid the bullshit. Yeah yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very indicative of like the silliness of the organization in general,
Speaker 1: and why a lot of the like why a lot
Speaker 1: of the things they do is like, wait, you try
Speaker 1: to do what it sounds like an episode of Veep
Speaker 1: is what it sounds. Yeah, I've got, I've got, I've
Speaker 1: got some transcripts from the meeting, uh C, I agent
Speaker 1: one and then the guns go and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be like, um, it's just like and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: another thematically, it's interesting because much like the stupid bill
Speaker 1: we just talked about, it's like indicative like that's actually
Speaker 1: really fucked up that they were talking about. Like it's
Speaker 1: very don't don't get mystery of it is like not
Speaker 1: thinking it's fucked up, but it's it's like, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to push back on action movies which now think we
Speaker 1: think it's possible, we think that's a good idea. We
Speaker 1: don't think about collateral damage anyway. Continue you look at
Speaker 1: the wave like look at the way the Russians actually
Speaker 1: carried out like assassiny missions in London. They were using
Speaker 1: like really bizarre fucking uh poisons and ship that they
Speaker 1: were like shooting people like fucking like umbrella darts are
Speaker 1: poisoning their drinks or whatever, like that's how you do
Speaker 1: this ship if you're a state, like you know what
Speaker 1: the plan is, like like super and like part two,
Speaker 1: it's like, well want to yeah, no, And I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'm sure after like the bullshit session ended, the whatever
Speaker 1: serious people exist in the CIA were like, no, if
Speaker 1: we're killing Julia Massange, we're going to fucking poison his
Speaker 1: drink by like the fact that we we own one
Speaker 1: of the people who works at the Ecuadorian embassy and
Speaker 1: like refills their water bottles or whatever. Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: they have that option if they if they had gotten
Speaker 1: the go ahead to kill him, they could have done
Speaker 1: it without machine gun battles with the Kremlin in London.
Speaker 1: And also I don't think the Kremlin would have agreed
Speaker 1: to get it, like they're gonna be like, are we
Speaker 1: gonna get into a machine gun battle? Of course we're not.
Speaker 1: I would probably watch that movie, sure, absolutely, especially if
Speaker 1: Julian Assange is played by who should he be played by?
Speaker 1: It would be a good Juliana Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scars
Speaker 1: Guard yeah baby yeah, which I could see that or
Speaker 1: any of them. Yeah, who's the guy from there will
Speaker 1: be blood, the little Weasley kid, Paul Paul Dano, I
Speaker 1: can see doing some sort of type. I know he's
Speaker 1: not blonde. Like I like the idea of Julian Assange
Speaker 1: being played by like a rotating cast of all the
Speaker 1: Scars Guards, Like every scene it's a different Scars Guard,
Speaker 1: but they're all playing Julian Assange, like the like, what's
Speaker 1: that imaginarium of Dr Parnassis? That's exactly right, exactly what
Speaker 1: what I want for this because the CIA got an
Speaker 1: Age Ray. Yeah, I'd like the gilliam version of yeah,
Speaker 1: buck it, let's go all the way with this ship
Speaker 1: higher the same guys who are part of this bullshit
Speaker 1: session to be the scripture of the screenwriters it is.
Speaker 1: It is funny in our in our doc about this,
Speaker 1: Garrison pointed out how fucked up it is that one
Speaker 1: of the people within the agency who thought this plan
Speaker 1: was ridiculous said, this isn't Pakistan or Egypt. We're talking
Speaker 1: about London, which is literally saying, well, you can get
Speaker 1: into a big gunfight in the middle of another nation's
Speaker 1: capital if they're like not white, but what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do this? We can't. We can't do it. There, come on, people,
Speaker 1: which is both very racist and also exactly true, Like
Speaker 1: you could have as soon as you heard people were
Speaker 1: talking about having like a fight over Assange in London.
Speaker 1: No they're not. They're never going to do that. Russia
Speaker 1: is not going to do that. We're not going to
Speaker 1: do that because it's London. Yeah, that's racist and fucked up,
Speaker 1: but that's like the way the game works, and it
Speaker 1: is a game to these It's never stopped us before
Speaker 1: being ra Yeah yeah, um good ship, good ship, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean bat ship. It's it's again. I do I
Speaker 1: do want to like underscore this by saying it's horrible
Speaker 1: that they're even having this meeting to assassinate, um journalists,
Speaker 1: stuff about how the CIA fucking spots on you with
Speaker 1: all the ship Like there was something about Greenwald two
Speaker 1: in the latest tranche of of leaks. Right, yeah, so
Speaker 1: this is back during the Obama White House. Um, but
Speaker 1: in two US and thirteen wiki leaks helped Edward Snowden
Speaker 1: get from Hong Kong to Russia after he you know,
Speaker 1: did his big leak. Um. And at that point Obama
Speaker 1: officials wanted to designate wiki leaks and two journalists including
Speaker 1: like Grin Greenwald and Lauren Potress who did the story
Speaker 1: information brokers instead of journalists, which wouldn't make it easier
Speaker 1: to prosecute them. Um. Again, didn't get didn't get done.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, there's like really this this Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the fact that we're laughing about this attempt. This Yahoo
Speaker 1: story is really worth reading and it is very unsettling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think is also like there's a there's one quote
Speaker 1: in the article about like you know, it's they're just
Speaker 1: spit balling, you know, all these options. It was just
Speaker 1: trumping Trump. It's not trumping Trump. It's America being America,
Speaker 1: like everyone is. Yeah, I mean I I see that energy,
Speaker 1: just trumping Trump. But right, it's not that that's that's
Speaker 1: the legacy if that right? But was he in that room?
Speaker 1: You know? Um so yeah, I just again just hilarious
Speaker 1: like ineptitude and bizarre like conversations from the CIA, while
Speaker 1: at the same time being like, well, you know they
Speaker 1: do this and it's not like Buiden's probably not having
Speaker 1: these exact same conversations, but uh, they're always going to
Speaker 1: be hostile towards uh figures like that. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: it's not good. What should we talk about now? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about the metaverse? Can we talk about
Speaker 1: the metaverse? Can we talk about this? This metaverse, metaverse, metavie,
Speaker 1: whatever you want about this. You've seen this. I can't
Speaker 1: do the voice the way our friend Tom Ryman can. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what do you? What do you what? What was
Speaker 1: your game plan there, Cody? I'm just gonna say, Lewinsky
Speaker 1: a bunch, maybe get a few, but a few goes
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, well all right, let's um okay. So
Speaker 1: there's a good article in the Washington Post in their
Speaker 1: launcher vertical, which I guess is video game news and analysis.
Speaker 1: Never seen it before today. When I say good article,
Speaker 1: useful article, I it's called Epic Games believes the Internet
Speaker 1: is broken. This is their blueprint to fix it. It's
Speaker 1: about more metaverse shit. Um. What I like about this
Speaker 1: is that this is from the perspective of basically everyone
Speaker 1: else in the industry that isn't Facebook. Um. Not that
Speaker 1: there are any good like epic are the guys who
Speaker 1: make fucking oh god, what is that game that like
Speaker 1: literally everyone but me in the world place Fortnite? Um,
Speaker 1: And so it talks about stuff like that weird Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King event they did, and like the article is
Speaker 1: not at all critical about it just talks about how
Speaker 1: many people attended and like how good it was, and so,
Speaker 1: like I I the tone of the article, I think,
Speaker 1: if you're like me, will be frustrating because there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of credibility about whether or not this is
Speaker 1: like a good idea or healthy, or whether or not
Speaker 1: these people um have any desire but to like find
Speaker 1: better ways to monetize the Internet. But it is useful
Speaker 1: because this is how this is the best article I
Speaker 1: found on how the people who have a significant amount
Speaker 1: of power in techs in the in the specific tech
Speaker 1: section that deals with like how we consume the Internet, um,
Speaker 1: how they're thinking about the metaverse, which is kind of
Speaker 1: what they're all increasingly seeing as the Internet after social media,
Speaker 1: or at least after what kind of we know as
Speaker 1: social media today. And I think it's useful to read
Speaker 1: not because I think this will happen, because I think
Speaker 1: one of the consistent things about the Internet is at
Speaker 1: when you're trying to figure out what the Internet is
Speaker 1: going to look like next, the people who are like
Speaker 1: most powerful and influential in in in the Internet are
Speaker 1: never the people who figure that out. If you were
Speaker 1: if you were trying to ask that question in like
Speaker 1: two thousand four or five, um, you would not have
Speaker 1: guessed where we are now because like the fucking Facebook
Speaker 1: and Twitter and whatnot, these guys were all like upstart
Speaker 1: most of them hadn't been started yet, like the new
Speaker 1: social media companies like we're all like upstarts and the
Speaker 1: big companies that were throwing their money into places like
Speaker 1: my Space and ship. Um. It's it's the nature of
Speaker 1: the Internet is um insurgent in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: and it that always gets co opted, it becomes profitable,
Speaker 1: and then the insurgent like Google used to be insurgents
Speaker 1: and they become uh institutions and almost states in their
Speaker 1: own rights as Facebook. Did you know, Um not that
Speaker 1: Facebook was ever particularly cool, but it didn't used to
Speaker 1: be the power you know. Um, So I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not particularly I don't particularly think that just because these
Speaker 1: p bowl who are the ones in power right now
Speaker 1: want this metaverse concept to be what we get, is
Speaker 1: that it's what we'll get, but it's what they're going
Speaker 1: to try for. And so I think it's interesting to
Speaker 1: read for that context and the The overwhelming impression I
Speaker 1: get from this article and from everything I read about
Speaker 1: this is that all of these fucking nerds read snow
Speaker 1: Crash when they were fourteen years old and never got
Speaker 1: never not just never got over it, because I have
Speaker 1: no issues with snow Crash, but didn't realize that it
Speaker 1: was like dystopian, like it's the same thing, like where
Speaker 1: like people appreciate like Ready Player one without kind of
Speaker 1: acknowledging that like, well, it's a nightmare. The world deposits
Speaker 1: is like horrible. I think he even forgot at a
Speaker 1: certain point that like the world he he the fantasy
Speaker 1: world he drew up, and that the future is like
Speaker 1: a horrible night It's a nightmare. Also, like just to
Speaker 1: that point, that movie ends with the victory being that
Speaker 1: like the hero gets like a nicer apartment and everyone
Speaker 1: has to like log off for an hour a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still hell. You still live in this desert and
Speaker 1: the environment is still destroying everyone. It's like you are
Speaker 1: not allowed to hide from that problem as much. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's very dyea and snow Crash is a much
Speaker 1: better book. I'm not pleased. Do not take this as
Speaker 1: me Ship talking snow not neither of my praising it hugely,
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't call one of my favorite books. But
Speaker 1: it's it was a book that was influential because it
Speaker 1: was it was exploring some interesting things, but it was
Speaker 1: exploring very critically, um, what cyberspace had started to become
Speaker 1: already then and like what the fucking nineties, um, and
Speaker 1: positing where it would go from there. Uh. And all
Speaker 1: of these nerds read it and we're like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: I could have a samurai sword and uh be a
Speaker 1: be a fucking internet samurai hero. Guy. Um if I
Speaker 1: did that but also made a bunch of money by
Speaker 1: selling Ferrari access to drop their car is into the world,
Speaker 1: and like there's some there's some fucking on it. So
Speaker 1: the guy you know, this is epic. I just want
Speaker 1: to insure Jack and say that Sophie and I are
Speaker 1: texting each other saying we don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's fine, but the metaverse real quick? Okay, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: this is and and I'm googling metaverse. Yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not going to be productive right now. I need to
Speaker 1: be honest and and and the voice of at least
Speaker 1: some of our listeners. I'm sure, absolutely no, we have.
Speaker 1: We have not been responsible in just diving in because Cody,
Speaker 1: I truly was like, did I zone out and miss
Speaker 1: something critical? I don't think so, But then I spent
Speaker 1: too much time thinking that. Anyway, I continue, Cody and
Speaker 1: I are if I can say this, shameful nerds. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Cody versus just like it's just like the Internet, but
Speaker 1: like you're in it right, Like it's like exact representation
Speaker 1: of like, oh, here's my avatar and I'm here and
Speaker 1: I look it's if you've seen that Community episode where
Speaker 1: the Dean gets the v are thing. Is this like
Speaker 1: glasses type sh No, that would be more like what
Speaker 1: like integrated reality, Like you log on and you're like
Speaker 1: you're in there. Oh, this is a three D space
Speaker 1: and look there's like a big gargoyle but that's my
Speaker 1: friend Dan and like that's who he wants to represent
Speaker 1: himself as, and like you go and it's so would
Speaker 1: this be social media to it would be everything. So
Speaker 1: I would walk into Twitter in my room full of
Speaker 1: friends and I'd be like, hey, Dan, um kind of
Speaker 1: like yeah, and like Solvie is saying, like the Sims,
Speaker 1: but your friends are there, um a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: You'd have like access to all the things that we
Speaker 1: have access to, and you'd be able to check your
Speaker 1: like all the sort of things. But it is a
Speaker 1: three D space that I get, like like Robert sort
Speaker 1: of talking about, like yeah, you get like fer ariads
Speaker 1: in your face and like all this bullshit and like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah I did. I collected this many coins in
Speaker 1: the metaphorse, so now I can buy this um and
Speaker 1: the guy so epic dude. So Fortnite is like started
Speaker 1: out as just like an O the shooter that was
Speaker 1: very popular, and so it's become it's kind of like
Speaker 1: I think they've kind of stolen some ideas from Minecraft
Speaker 1: and on its become like this bigger thing where you
Speaker 1: can do all sorts of weird media events and whatnot
Speaker 1: in it. And everyone's been kind of debating how like
Speaker 1: the metaverse, because the original ideas of the metaverse was
Speaker 1: it was all one thing, right, there was no you know,
Speaker 1: like right now we have you have Apple's App Store,
Speaker 1: you have the Android App Store, you have these different websites,
Speaker 1: and they're all these walled gardens, right, you can't get
Speaker 1: like Facebook isn't allowing everyone to get in their ship
Speaker 1: because they want to own everything. Apple isn't allowing Facebook
Speaker 1: to get in their ship. Everybody's got like their own
Speaker 1: little separate thing. The idea behind the metaverse was it
Speaker 1: was just like this world and you could you stumble
Speaker 1: into like you know this, It doesn't really matter what
Speaker 1: your hardware is or whatever. Like you you experience it
Speaker 1: all persistently. Um look an MMO or something, um and uh.
Speaker 1: The problem is that like you have all these walled gardens.
Speaker 1: And so the Epic CEO, the guy who's who's you know,
Speaker 1: owns Fortnite once, doesn't like Facebook's ideas for the metaverse,
Speaker 1: wants it all to be integrated, and it is talking
Speaker 1: about like building a set of um standards for for
Speaker 1: the next stage of the Internet so that you know,
Speaker 1: Apple Like one of the things that Epic has done
Speaker 1: is they've sued Apple over the fact that Apple exerts
Speaker 1: total control over their app store, like they're arguing. Epic
Speaker 1: is arguing that that's monopoly. Um, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: comment on whether or not I think that is because
Speaker 1: I don't understand that law very well. Um, and I
Speaker 1: don't think Epics motivation ensuing Apple is particularly like noble
Speaker 1: or like yeah, like I don't. I don't give a
Speaker 1: ship how that case goes. In other words, Um, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I want to I'm going to read a
Speaker 1: quote from the Washington Post article on this. The simplest
Speaker 1: way to define the metaverse is that the metaverse is
Speaker 1: as an evolution of how users interact with brands, intellectual
Speaker 1: properties in each other on the Internet. The metaverse, I know, man,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's bad. It's bad. Just hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. The metaverse to Sweeney, that's the CEO of
Speaker 1: EPIC would be expansive, digitized communal space where users can
Speaker 1: mingle freely with brands and one another in ways that
Speaker 1: permits self expression and spark joy. It would be it's rough,
Speaker 1: it's rough, it's rough. I said, this was a frustrating article,
Speaker 1: but it's a useful. It would be a kind of
Speaker 1: online play I know, I know. Just let me get
Speaker 1: through this and then we'll talk about it. Would be
Speaker 1: a kind of online playground. Where users could join friends
Speaker 1: to play a multiplayer game like Epics Fortnite one moment,
Speaker 1: watch a movie via Netflix the next, and then bring
Speaker 1: their friends to test drive a new car that's crafted
Speaker 1: exactly the same in the real world as it would
Speaker 1: be in this virtual one. It would not be, Sweeney said,
Speaker 1: the manicured, ad laden newsfeed presented by platforms like Facebook.
Speaker 1: The metaverse isn't going to be like that, Sweeney said.
Speaker 1: A car maker who wants to make a presence in
Speaker 1: the metaverse isn't going to run ads. They're going to
Speaker 1: drop their car into the world in real time, and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to drive it around, and they're going
Speaker 1: to work with lots of content creators with different experiences
Speaker 1: to ensure their car is playable here and there, and
Speaker 1: that it's receiving the attention it deserves. Now, that's bullshit
Speaker 1: and dumb. I want to be really clear about that.
Speaker 1: It's this is important, not because any of this is
Speaker 1: a good idea or cool, but because this is what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do. Like I'm not do not think
Speaker 1: that this is bullshit and dumb, and I think it's
Speaker 1: going to fail because I don't think people want that
Speaker 1: People want Fortnite. Clearly people like playing Fortnite. I don't
Speaker 1: think people want to like travel from Fortnite to watching
Speaker 1: Netflix digitally with friends and then driving around like a
Speaker 1: fake Ferrari Like that doesn't That does not seem good
Speaker 1: good technology. And I'm not saying good in a moral sense.
Speaker 1: I'm saying good in the sense that it actually can
Speaker 1: can take a hold and be successful and and like
Speaker 1: propagate virally. Right, Steve Steve Jobs was kind of like
Speaker 1: the master of this. And it wasn't because he was
Speaker 1: a great coder inventor. Is because he he knew the
Speaker 1: thing that he was brilliant at. And the reason why
Speaker 1: Apple has more money than a lot of countries right
Speaker 1: now is he understood intuitively what human beings wanted to
Speaker 1: hold in their hand and what they wanted to do
Speaker 1: with it, and he gave them that and it changed
Speaker 1: the world, mostly in bad ways. Again, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to praise the man here, but he understood something profound,
Speaker 1: in deep about human beings and what they wanted, and
Speaker 1: that's why the iPhone was such a success. This guy
Speaker 1: does not have that understanding, and I don't get that
Speaker 1: hint from this um, from this from anything I've read
Speaker 1: in this article that he understands what people would want
Speaker 1: from a metaverse. I still don't completely understand even the concept,
Speaker 1: but let's just go with that. But what you're saying
Speaker 1: makes sense to me, because yeah, the things that take roots,
Speaker 1: that take hold are things that benefit my life in
Speaker 1: my day to day and that fuel the fact that
Speaker 1: you don't understand as I'm explaining this is proof that
Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. Because if we if we were
Speaker 1: to go back fifteen years before he went had smartphones,
Speaker 1: and I took an iPhone one and I put it
Speaker 1: in your hands and I said, Katie, type into that
Speaker 1: map app the place you want to go, you would
Speaker 1: go like, holy sh it, this is fucking amazing. Like
Speaker 1: you would immediately get intuitive natural. That's why I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like kids like babies understand it. Yeah, well, and and
Speaker 1: and and to that point, I'll also say, like, if
Speaker 1: someone was to sit down and describe the Internet to
Speaker 1: me in general, um, before it existed, I certainly would
Speaker 1: have understood. I barely understand now, you know. So there's that.
Speaker 1: But but I think if I were down before the
Speaker 1: Internet and said, hey, this technology will allow every single
Speaker 1: person in the world to be in contact with every
Speaker 1: single other person persistently forever. You would say, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a big deal, and you would be right.
Speaker 1: I'm not completely using this in my argument about it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, like there's a part of me that's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Things surprised me. I didn't think TikTok
Speaker 1: would take off. But um, you know that people. But
Speaker 1: but but my what, especially this past year of being
Speaker 1: in our homes and being more isolated, I find resentment
Speaker 1: more and more personally with everything technology related. I crave
Speaker 1: my moments of not um. I need boundaries between myself
Speaker 1: and my internet. So anything that threatens that is like
Speaker 1: a no go for me. But also I don't to
Speaker 1: your point, I don't think people in general want that. No. No.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, there's a difference between technology that
Speaker 1: can make money or be successful in technology that changes things,
Speaker 1: and that can that can alter the fundamental way in
Speaker 1: which we interact with reality. Smartphones fundamentally altered the way
Speaker 1: we're interacted with reality. So did social media. They both
Speaker 1: Number one, were immediately intuitive, which is why you got
Speaker 1: a Facebook, Katie, That's why you got like a Twitter
Speaker 1: because you've got what these things were offering, right, something
Speaker 1: with a smartphone. The fact that you cannot there are
Speaker 1: of course, I'm and I'm sure you could build a
Speaker 1: metaverse like Sweeney's talking about that ten twenty million people
Speaker 1: would get on board with and like it would be profitable.
Speaker 1: But it's not going to change the work's going to
Speaker 1: be adopted on a mass skill because most people you
Speaker 1: have to sit down and try to explain them why
Speaker 1: they might be interested in this and are going to
Speaker 1: be like what you are, like jumped to ten years
Speaker 1: from now, when all the kids hanging out in the
Speaker 1: metaverse are you know, ganging up on the year uh
Speaker 1: and booking out there you know whatever? Yeah, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: with a big Samurai sword Junior complaining about how his
Speaker 1: algorithms are getting crushed. I think the kids want to
Speaker 1: listen to nerd out over K pop stars, um, and
Speaker 1: they want to do drugs while lighting dumpsters on fire.
Speaker 1: Minecraft And at the end of the day, kids are kids, right,
Speaker 1: And so such a good point, Cody, Such a good point.
Speaker 1: Just in time for this ad break, let's just soak in.
Speaker 1: Let's soak in the capitalism. Well, maybe we can get
Speaker 1: communism to do a jump hump while we're soaking in
Speaker 1: capitalism and have a social democracy. I need to like
Speaker 1: work with more women together everything don't all right, we're back,
Speaker 1: we built back better, We've builded and that's that's our
Speaker 1: next subject. I'm sorry for making you all think about
Speaker 1: the fucking metaverse, but I I used to be. I
Speaker 1: got my start in tech journalism, which is a nonsense.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah that was like I was going to
Speaker 1: cs in the Mobile World Congress, right and about this
Speaker 1: was back in like the heyday of like this is
Speaker 1: back when everyone cared whenever Apple released a new product
Speaker 1: because it was going to be a big deal, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was alive. Um, you learned something new about Robert
Speaker 1: Evans every day, built backway, build back better? Is that
Speaker 1: what we want to talk about now? Yeah? Yeah? Why
Speaker 1: do we care that things add to the national debt?
Speaker 1: Do you want to explain that to me? Because people
Speaker 1: have tried and I never understood. I don't think so. Um,
Speaker 1: it only matters to whoever's not the party in power, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's just that, no matter what people say about like
Speaker 1: what could happen? If I feel like for my entire
Speaker 1: life it's increased beyond what twenty years ago anyone thought
Speaker 1: was physically possible, and it's no one did anything. It's fine,
Speaker 1: Like it's not fine. The world's fucked up, but it's
Speaker 1: not sucked up because the debt's high, right, I think,
Speaker 1: and Garrison pointed this out in the Dock as well.
Speaker 1: But god damn it. Everything comes down to how well
Speaker 1: yeah spin and how the media portrays it. So you
Speaker 1: look at the way this conversation is framed for this
Speaker 1: build back better, and they're talking about it costing three
Speaker 1: and a half trillion dollars, which does sound like a
Speaker 1: lot of dollars. It's true, it's a lot of dollars.
Speaker 1: Talking about the fact that this is over a ten
Speaker 1: year period of time, so it's actually just one point
Speaker 1: two per cent of the U. S economy over the
Speaker 1: next ten years. So it's actually not when you put
Speaker 1: it in context. But people do not well some people,
Speaker 1: you know, people on the other side are leading with
Speaker 1: or omitting that because it doesn't benefit their argument against it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why the media, I don't know
Speaker 1: why more media coverage, I mean, I do it's clicks
Speaker 1: they want cosationalist I think people arguing and it's so
Speaker 1: much of public person I mean, all public perception is
Speaker 1: shaped by the media, and it's it's frustrating because, like,
Speaker 1: if you want to put this in some perspective, we've
Speaker 1: spent six to seven trillion dollars is kind of one
Speaker 1: of the middle estimates for how much we spent on
Speaker 1: the war on Terror since two thousand and one. I've
Speaker 1: I've heard some that are more like nine or ten
Speaker 1: summer less, but like six to seven trillion pretty reasonable
Speaker 1: is like a whole price tag, So like three and
Speaker 1: a half trillion for ten years. It would we would
Speaker 1: be spending what we spent on the War on Terror
Speaker 1: that we clearly could afford to spend because we did.
Speaker 1: Except for we would be spending it like not murdering people, presume,
Speaker 1: making people's lives better instead of ending there. And I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure as much of it would be bullshit as
Speaker 1: the War on Terror because the government's bad at everything,
Speaker 1: but it would at least not be bombing people. Presumably
Speaker 1: there'd be some steps in the right direction. Yeah, hopefully
Speaker 1: we at least get some fucking bridges fixed. That would
Speaker 1: be good, would be good, Yeah, um, some would be good.
Speaker 1: Less bridge collapses. I don't know, I just can't bring myself.
Speaker 1: Like every time there's like some like like right now
Speaker 1: there's this, uh, there's this chicken game going on about
Speaker 1: like whether or not to raise the fucking debt ceiling
Speaker 1: again every time run out of money and like a
Speaker 1: couple if they don't, and it's every time, it's stupid.
Speaker 1: None of the money's real, and that the dumb thing
Speaker 1: about it is that nine times out of ten it's
Speaker 1: going to be nothing, but it is something that could
Speaker 1: go horribly wrong, Like it's it's it's like that. I
Speaker 1: keep thinking back to him, fucking Otophane Bismarck talking about
Speaker 1: like in the days before World War One, the h
Speaker 1: they're kept being these crises in the Balkans. The king
Speaker 1: would get assassinated or like something would you know, one
Speaker 1: state would like take a village from another, and like
Speaker 1: everyone would be on the brink of war because the
Speaker 1: Balkans were all tied up in the system of alliances
Speaker 1: and everybody knew that one day one of these things
Speaker 1: could go too far and all of these states could
Speaker 1: not pull back from the brink and you would have
Speaker 1: a calamity, which eventually happened. Um and Bismarck. When everyone
Speaker 1: would talk about how the European War was going to happen,
Speaker 1: Bismarck would be like, Oh, it'll probably be some damn
Speaker 1: fool thing in the Balkans. And he was right. It
Speaker 1: was some damn foul thing in the Balkans, bis Maark
Speaker 1: nuody was talking about, and it's this is that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. It'll probably be nothing until the day in
Speaker 1: which like everybody misjudge is just a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then it's a calamity um and then like the government
Speaker 1: shuts down, and because of a cascading series of other
Speaker 1: things that happened at the same time, we're not able
Speaker 1: to respond with it. Maybe there's a hack on power infrastructure.
Speaker 1: There's a natural that some series of fucked up things
Speaker 1: happened during this like no government for a while because
Speaker 1: like we ran out of money bullshit, and like there's
Speaker 1: a horrible problem and you can't fix it and you
Speaker 1: can't pull back, and you can't just go into Congress
Speaker 1: the next day and say, you know what, nobody was
Speaker 1: serious about this bullshit. It'll be too late and a
Speaker 1: bunch of like the problem isn't that like the states
Speaker 1: prestige will be diminished. It's that a bunch of regular
Speaker 1: people will die or be otherwise horribly, horribly affected. And um,
Speaker 1: it's frustrating. And everybody's complicit. Who's at least fucking politics?
Speaker 1: And I hate it and they should all. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say work at Denny's like working at Denny's
Speaker 1: as bad. I want to say work at Denny's because
Speaker 1: it would objectively mean they would be helping this iety
Speaker 1: more than they are affect their outlook on the worldly. Clear,
Speaker 1: I have a thousand times more respect for any given employees. Absolutely, no, no, No,
Speaker 1: that's clear. That's a that's a point well made. Because
Speaker 1: they're so out of touch with the reality of of
Speaker 1: being in the workforce, of interacting with humanity, that they're
Speaker 1: so disconnected that their heads are just so far up
Speaker 1: their own asses that they don't see what's happening around
Speaker 1: them or they don't care. They don't care. Everybody in
Speaker 1: Congress is very out of touch with reality. They can't
Speaker 1: don't even know how to kiss their wives. It's only
Speaker 1: because I saw Josh Holly kiss his wife today. There's
Speaker 1: a photos the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Um, it's
Speaker 1: like these personally closed lips, like their lips are like
Speaker 1: each of one of their lips is like like imploding,
Speaker 1: Like it's they're going inside their own mouths and then
Speaker 1: impressing them against each other. Kind of all the sexy
Speaker 1: talk this episode, they keep getting they live. We've let
Speaker 1: our political class because of like everything becomes so disconnected
Speaker 1: from regular people that they're not like people in most
Speaker 1: of the ways that matter, by which I mean like
Speaker 1: your life would seem like an alien fantasy to them,
Speaker 1: and you can see them all like even when like
Speaker 1: people who are broadly speaking regular get in like Alexandriacasio Cortez,
Speaker 1: they change over time. It can't not it like it's
Speaker 1: it's meant to to to disconnect and break you, um well,
Speaker 1: because you you're in this position of equivocating with everybody
Speaker 1: and like trying to compromise or like being torn and
Speaker 1: all this, and you're living in this weird universe where
Speaker 1: like all of the things they say makes sense and
Speaker 1: all of like the things that like the horrible things
Speaker 1: they say about each other in the news, like they're
Speaker 1: all very nice in person and their friends and like
Speaker 1: this is the game that we're all playing, and we
Speaker 1: all make money off of it, and like you can say,
Speaker 1: Kristen Cinema's gotten sucked into it hardcore. She's like marching
Speaker 1: in black block at the fucking W T O and
Speaker 1: Seattle fifteen years ago, and now she's like meeting now
Speaker 1: she's bombing a fucking infrastructure bill in the interest of
Speaker 1: oil and gas companies, so the the very party, so
Speaker 1: that she can stay in the in the game with
Speaker 1: her with her new friends and and be in power. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it. A lot of it
Speaker 1: is pressure, a lot of it is the institution. It
Speaker 1: is done, and those people who try to stand up
Speaker 1: against it ultimately get sucked in because that's how they
Speaker 1: get more power. That there's just different ways. But it's
Speaker 1: not good. It's there should be more, much more term
Speaker 1: limits to everything that is wrong with us as a society.
Speaker 1: I think comes out there. I'm reading a book right
Speaker 1: now called cult Ish and as in like English right
Speaker 1: or Spanish, and it's talking about the language, the way
Speaker 1: cults use language and that brainwashing isn't real. But what
Speaker 1: actually happens is when you were in a community that
Speaker 1: is like reinforcing in a number of social ways and
Speaker 1: also introduces you to a new kind of language base
Speaker 1: that kind of makes it impossible to identify with anything else.
Speaker 1: And like that's how cults work, and that's how you
Speaker 1: know every degree of cult from like the low its
Speaker 1: like fucking cross fit or burning Man that that aren't
Speaker 1: really harmful, that are just like make use of some
Speaker 1: of those things because they're attractive to people to like
Speaker 1: hardcore cults, and like you, like the fucking Congress is
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. It's a cult, though it is
Speaker 1: a cult, Like it's this weird fucking culti society that
Speaker 1: these congressmen and a handful of lobbyists are all in
Speaker 1: um and and the worst thing that can possibly happen
Speaker 1: when you are in it is that you get kicked out,
Speaker 1: So you'll do everything to stay in and generally that
Speaker 1: keeping the donations coming and whatever. It's fucking Sophie. Sophie
Speaker 1: just sent a picture, the picture of them kissing to
Speaker 1: the text thread and it is an early Those are
Speaker 1: those are like two kids. Those are like preschool kids
Speaker 1: having their first kiss. But they don't want to have
Speaker 1: you talked about Josh Holly's come yet. Oh god damn it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about something else here. Most of
Speaker 1: us live in areas with them, those those weird kind
Speaker 1: of like caterpillars that are all like spiny, and they're
Speaker 1: different colored, like they're kind of like they're like brown
Speaker 1: and red, and they sort of inch along the ground
Speaker 1: and if you touch them they sting like hell. Although
Speaker 1: that's the come that comes out of jaw. It's like
Speaker 1: a bunch of those poisonous little caterpillars just sort of
Speaker 1: like pumping together a piece of merch that's kind of
Speaker 1: like those, um, those charts, those nature diagram charts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's different. You know what it should be, you know
Speaker 1: the political those political compass memes where it's like a
Speaker 1: square and you've got like authoritarian left Aubertary, libertarian left libertary.
Speaker 1: It should be that and then marked up by politicians
Speaker 1: and their come types, because like you know, some spinier
Speaker 1: than others, some is dustier than others. Um yeah, some
Speaker 1: is just a literal pile of cobwebs. Some Can I
Speaker 1: just pitched that awful great idea that that's that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna give us enough money to detach from society. Can
Speaker 1: I talk about something else? Okay? Please? A little update? Uh?
Speaker 1: I A c still is not officially authorized a strike,
Speaker 1: but that is percolating. But I wanted just to bring
Speaker 1: this up again in the context of Catherine Heigl Um
Speaker 1: real quick, and you guys might be surprised what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Well, do you remember how a while back
Speaker 1: Katherine Heigel talked vocally and publicly about unsafe working conditions
Speaker 1: on set and how you know they were working seventeen
Speaker 1: hour days and how it was really unreasonable. People can't
Speaker 1: get home to see their families, and their lives are disrupted.
Speaker 1: People are driving home exhausted, etcetera. And everybody said she's
Speaker 1: a bit, she's hard to work with, she's unlikable. Um
Speaker 1: and her career I very much do I stay. I
Speaker 1: have a knee jerk reaction when I hear Katherine Heigel's name.
Speaker 1: I think diva. It's true and everybody, you guys know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about this y and and she posted
Speaker 1: and I want to applaud her. She posted about this
Speaker 1: her support of IOTSY and then went on to say
Speaker 1: what happened to her She started having years of feeling
Speaker 1: like was I too much? Was I unreasonable? What happened
Speaker 1: in her head? Self conscious and her career is completely changed.
Speaker 1: So I do remember her complaining about that and then
Speaker 1: not being in stuff anymore. Not she was written off
Speaker 1: the show Seth Rogan and Shonda Rhymes. Everybody threw her
Speaker 1: under the bus. Barbara Walters said nobody cares to her.
Speaker 1: I mean, like on an interview she says, nobody really
Speaker 1: cares because like, we don't sympathize with you, like, this
Speaker 1: is all stuff that happened everybody. It was a public
Speaker 1: it was a joke. She was a joke. And um
Speaker 1: interesting considering the sausage party, the animators were treated incredibly poorly.
Speaker 1: They I wanted to bring this up partly because I
Speaker 1: think it's important, partly because I seem to be um
Speaker 1: championing this one argument a lot lately, which is we
Speaker 1: all have to revisit the ship that we used to
Speaker 1: find acceptable as we're calling it out now. Not to
Speaker 1: say that like, oh, we all owe a massive apology,
Speaker 1: but we have, but yeah, we we should all like
Speaker 1: look at our own behavior and how it has been
Speaker 1: conditioned by the media. You know, the same with build
Speaker 1: back better, and how we receive this news. We're being
Speaker 1: fed a narrative, whether you know it or not. And
Speaker 1: it's really important for us to do this work of
Speaker 1: looking back and looking now. And and it hasn't even
Speaker 1: been that long a period of time. We're talking like
Speaker 1: ten years. And I'm glad that people are finally noticing
Speaker 1: this and seeing and speaking up and being supportive of
Speaker 1: each other when they're talking about abuse, because that is
Speaker 1: abuse as well. Sorry, Okay, soapbox, but it's all connected
Speaker 1: to me, and that's where my mind's at these days.
Speaker 1: They're on that soapbox. Okay, I'm hopping back on. Are
Speaker 1: you prepared to apologize for what you've said about Josh
Speaker 1: Holly's come? Yeah? What do you specifically have said and
Speaker 1: nobody else? Yeah? Because you know I'm never apologizing, right,
Speaker 1: I will. I am prepared to apologize suggesting we make
Speaker 1: a nature chart out of Josh Holly and other senators
Speaker 1: comes when I when I get elected to Congress, I'm
Speaker 1: doing a filibuster. I don't care on what, and I'm
Speaker 1: just going to laboriously describe the comes of every single
Speaker 1: other elected leader. So wherever Robert Evans is honestly like
Speaker 1: the only person I can imagine getting elected to public
Speaker 1: office and not um falling into the machine. Oh, I'd
Speaker 1: be horrible. No, it would I would immediately get corrupted. Um,
Speaker 1: you'd be taking, would be I'd take everybody's, wouldn't write
Speaker 1: I want my I want, I want I want my
Speaker 1: bear cat. Look, bear cats don't buy themselves, Katie, I
Speaker 1: want one for each foot. I'm not gonna wear shoes anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a different under armored vehicle under each
Speaker 1: leg every day. A vehicle, right, It's not like it's
Speaker 1: a vehicle. But I'll have some pet bear cats to
Speaker 1: the animals and with them in Kristen Cinema as we
Speaker 1: as we uh do our weird little dances when we
Speaker 1: vote down. That is some fan art that I would
Speaker 1: love to see. You've got your marching orders, guys. I
Speaker 1: think that's it for us this week. Te us out
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