1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Radio Together everything, So don't don't do what soaking my Mormons? 3 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Alright for the week off to you guys, is this soaking? 4 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right, right right out of the gate. 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: So you know how like when you were in high school, 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: the Catholic kids in our talk, Yeah, well it's very important, Katie, 7 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: It's incredibly important. So Kate me you you know you 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: did you go Did you guys all go to public schools? Yes? Yeah, 9 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I was not recording. Oh well, we're 10 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: keeping all of this. We're keeping everything we did so far. Katie, 11 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: you went to a public school, Cody, you went to 12 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: public school. I went to a public school. We all 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: had like, like Catholic kids at the schools and also 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Catholic schools that you like would compete with. And so 15 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: every time now and then you'd meet like Catholic kids, 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: and Catholic kids fucked as much as everybody else, but 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: they had been There was this widespread belief, particularly among 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: the Catholic girls that I knew in high school, that 19 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: it didn't count if it was but sex, that like 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: that wasn't you weren't you weren't having premarital sex if 21 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: it was in the ask because you can't make a 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: baby that way. Funny, it's so funny to jump from um, 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: just the most obvious thing to jump to butt sex 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: like like that is it's funny because there's enough if 25 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: you if you extend that logic, you could argue that, like, well, 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church shouldn't have any problem with gay sex 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: because it's not sex because children can't be like under 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: their definition of it. You know, I don't know, I've 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: never understood it. But that was that was what can 30 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: we get the pop on? Yeah, I've been reaching out 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: to the Pope, by which I mean I have been 32 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: screaming at the Vatican during my weekly visits to Italy. Um. 33 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: But but so far, no response. I mean I've gotten 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: arrested a few times, but no, like practical response. It's 35 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: a form of a response, yeah, from from someone. Um. 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: So soaking is the Mormon equivalent of that, right, because 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: because kids are always as horny as as kids always are. 38 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: But if your religion says you can't do this, you 39 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: can't do that, you find ways to do this in 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: that that don't violate your religion. So you can't like 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: fuck before marriage if you're Mormon. But soaking is not fucking. 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: That's just getting your dick inside of vagina and just 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: kind of lay in there. Right, That's what soaking is. Yeah, 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: that's what soaking is there and also that still counts 45 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: as sex. Well, they're not from Mormons because they're not 46 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: you're not humping and a currently, So I had heard 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: about soaking a long time ago. That's that's a thing 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: I've heard from enough people who like did it that 49 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I know is real. Little certain about is um jump humps, 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: which some people on Twitter have said is a real 51 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: thing that I I can't I can't confirm from people 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: I know well who are morening. How do you put 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: your penis inside someone and just sit there? Uh, well, 54 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: you have a friend like any little bit. You can't 55 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: even like breathe because like the slightest movement, it requires 56 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: perfect balance, Katie, let me explain it. Because you have 57 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: to be you have to have two things that are 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: in perfect balance. You have to be very horny and 59 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: you have to be very scared of God. And if 60 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: your horny nous outweighs your fear of God, then you're 61 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna fuck and if your fear of God outweighs your 62 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: horny nous, you're not gonna sunk at all. Yeah, yeah, 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: then you soak. You got to keep the atoms from 64 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: from dancing. And maybe, allegedly the people are claiming on 65 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: Twitter and out jump pumping has been added where you 66 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: will have a friend jump on the bed because then 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of like like thrusting. It creates the friction. 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: It creates friction, but they're not doing it someone else's. 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: I can't confirm. I know for a fact that because 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: of Mormons that I know well who were not like bullshitting, 71 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: that's soaking is a thing. I mean, we call that 72 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: a threesome. I'm pretty sure you call it are what 73 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: kind of threesomes? Do you have? No more monkeys jumping 74 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: on the bed? I mean, in a way it's a threesome. 75 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: It's recomplicate them. It just sucks and it's bad, like 76 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: it's just making a threesome. Shitty. Yeah, we have unpacked this. 77 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: I think we need to unpack one more thing. Because 78 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: if you if the goal is to keep no friction 79 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: in your sex and just sit there, just sit in it, right, Okay, 80 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to it, but or the logic, but whatever, 81 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: that's what's happening. In order to get it in, you're 82 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: creating friction. Yeah, so like you have to have a 83 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: little bit of sex, or you have to be very 84 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: careful about how you get it in. I just have 85 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: to say, because I have to say it, that's sex. 86 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: It's penetration, it's sex. I don't care how them. I 87 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: think a variety of other things are sex too. Yeah, absolutely, 88 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: that is. I think it's it's it's sex. If you 89 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: just go down on someone or someone goes down on you, 90 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: those are all sex acts. It's sex if you're just 91 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: kind of like making out and groping and following each 92 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: other at the point of orgasm. Yeah, I think sex 93 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: is a hearty wink. Wow, I have had a lot 94 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: of sex with a lot of strangers. In that case, um, 95 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I should get my eyes tested. I just I'm just 96 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: a winker. So it's not a blink. A blink is 97 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: not to be confused that I mean not a that's 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: not consent. That does kind of make me wonder about 99 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: Mormon oral sex. Like can you face soak and then 100 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: jump pump and that that counts more than five minutes? 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: I did enjoy the friend in the post that sort 102 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: of knocked this off. The person who is doing the 103 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: jump pumping for a friend use the phrase called to soak, 104 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: which is a pun on call to serve, which is 105 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: like a Mormon like thing. From what I understand, it's 106 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: amazing and good for them. Well, I do feel like 107 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: these people clearly have the moral upper hand from us, 108 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: last of us going to hell. It's very funny. It's 109 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: always very funny when when churches get weird about sex, 110 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: because the only thing it does is it is it 111 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: creates a generation of kids who are even weirder about 112 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: sex than they would have been if they'd just been 113 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: allowed to like do whatever when they were kids. Yeah, 114 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: it's it is funny, and that's that's what we should 115 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 1: take away from this. But also it is upsetting people. Yeah, 116 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean a person jumping on the bed so their 117 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: friends can have friction, actually introduction into into non monogamy. 118 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: Who knows what it really should? Move on to the news. 119 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: I think I will say one thing, you think your 120 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: kids are soaking, show them sex education. The TV show 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: on Netflix, British show There's the third season just came out. 122 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm it's awesome. It's a great show dealing about teen 123 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: sexuality and having conversations and about culture and how we 124 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: talk about sex, etcetera. And UM, that's my way of 125 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: wrapping up this segment, giving you something useful. And I 126 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: was gonna end it. No no, no, no no, it's better 127 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: than what I was gonna say, which is stopped talking 128 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: and everything disgusting. But yeah, let's talk about some news things. 129 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what news things. I love the news. UM, 130 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I want to talk real quick. This is sort of inconsequential, 131 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: but I think it's also indicative of the times. Um. 132 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio introduced this bill. Speaking by the way, speaking 133 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: of Marco Rubio, inconsequential but indicative of the times is 134 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: the perfect, the perfect description of that man. The top 135 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: of his website, UM, his re election campaign is this bill. 136 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: And it's about wokeness and corporations. And we knew this 137 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: was coming, and speaking of soaking, we knew this was coming. Um, 138 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: And it's just the silliest thing I think one could imagine, 139 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: while also again being very indicative at the times. It's 140 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: called the Mind your Own Business Act, and I you know, 141 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: we're calling it an anti woke bill. And we can. 142 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's dismissive language. It's this anti woke stuff. 143 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: It literally uses the word woke in the bill. Yeah, 144 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything more embarrassing than a senator 145 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: writing a republic in writing a Mind your Own Business Act. 146 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: Have I just have a question, have I'm sure there's 147 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: been lots of ridiculous names of legislation, but this one's 148 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: pretty good. It's always been such, you know, like, yes, 149 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure it has anyway, Oh yeah, the Mind your 150 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Own Business Act ridiculous, just so ridiculous and um, aside 151 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: from just the fact that a senator wrote a bill 152 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: and was like, I'll use the word woke and put 153 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: it in quotes, and that'll that's the law. That's a 154 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: law that I think should exist. Is nonsense. Explain this law. Yeah, 155 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read some quotes from Ruby's office and 156 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Rubio himself because it's quite a doozy. Um. Specifically, the 157 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: legislation would require corporate directors to prove their quote woke 158 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: corporate actions were in the shareholder's best interest in order 159 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: to avoid liability for breach of fiduciary duty and shareholder 160 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: litigation over corporate actions relating to certain social policies. It 161 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: would also incentivize corporate management to stop abusing their positions 162 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: to advance left wing social policies by increasing their personal 163 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: liability to shareholders for breaches of fiduciary duty resulting from 164 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: these questions. Yes, question, so very specific um about incentivizing 165 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: corporate management to stop abusing their positions to advance left 166 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: wing social policies. Now does this work in reverse? So 167 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: interesting question? Probably there So spoiler, There are no no 168 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: co sponsors for this bill. It's bill, and it's because 169 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: even even the other like all of the Republicans running 170 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: these a lot of these companies don't want this bill 171 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: because it would just be it would just be creating 172 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: a big legal clusterfuck. And the fact of the matter 173 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: is everything that he's calling like corporations doing woke things 174 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: against the interest of the shareholders. Those corporations are only 175 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: doing because they see it as the best thing for 176 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: their them any fucking action if they don't think it's profitable. 177 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: None of them are doing it to be woke. They're 178 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: all doing it because most people hate the kind of 179 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: ship that Marco Rubio uh grand stands about. Because he's 180 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: he's playing to a tiny audience of about three percent 181 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: of Americans who give money to him and people like him. Um, 182 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: it's so yes, yes, exactly. Um, it's very laughable um 183 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: and also insidious. Um. But like an example of the 184 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: clusterfuck you're talking about, there's like language in there about um, 185 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: like divisive concepts of like sex, stereotyping and things like that. 186 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: And as I think it was Max kennerally I think 187 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: pointed this out where so you can sue hungry man 188 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: frozen dinners because that's a that's a stereotype. Yeah, about 189 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: that's a stereotype. You can totally do that. But that's 190 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: not what Marco is talking about. He's talking about like, uh, 191 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: companies saying like that's a bad law. It's so it's 192 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. I want to talking about a company putting 193 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: up like a fucking trans Right's flag on their Twitter 194 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: account or something like he's talking about. What he's talking 195 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: about our gestures that like at most are like mildly 196 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: pleasant to see and and and are generally completely ineffective. 197 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Like again, are things that the companies don't believe, but 198 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: rather they understand the way the country is going, and 199 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: they're trying to keep making money. Yeah, they're not. They're 200 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: not taking a stand for wokeness. It's Pride month, and 201 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: all of their competitors put up flags, So they're doing 202 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: the thing that everybody does during Pride months. Um. It's 203 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: so it's so obvious. Um. This is one other quote 204 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: from him that I think is very funny from him. Specifically, 205 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: patriotic Americans who love their country and the opportunity it 206 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: provides should be able to fight back against the growing 207 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: tyranny of the woke elites running corporate America. These are 208 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: often nationalist corporations. I thought the corporation for people that 209 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: a mass fortunes divorced from the fate of our great 210 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: country while pushing socially destructive far left policies, lie Boycott's 211 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: and canceled crusades at home. I'm sorry who burned all 212 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: the nikes? M hm oh, oh what what? I don't 213 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: remember that, Therefore it didn't happen. It must not have happened. 214 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: That who flushed their razors down the toilet? Um, it's 215 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: so nonsensical, but also an important thing about it's obviously 216 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: like you can use it, like I said, for like 217 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: hungry man dinners or whatever the funk you want, because 218 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: it's so vague. Um, it's vague on purpose. Uh. And 219 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: it's insidious. Uh. Much like when Ted Cruz tried to 220 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: get Antifa labeled a terrorist organization, where he used like 221 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: it was like Antifa but also like left wing activism 222 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: and like protesters associated with Antifa's all sort of vague 223 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: terms that could mean anything. Uh. Marco Rubio knows that 224 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: the term woke can mean anything. It can mean against 225 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: police brutality, it can mean environmentalism, it can mean anything 226 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: to anybody. Um. So it's just very obviously sort of 227 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: like yeah, like whatever, it's it's a right wing term 228 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: for I don't like this, yes, um. And it's so 229 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: it's just so funny that he's trying to do this, 230 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: and so like you said, like just he is the 231 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: inconsequential but like most appropriate fucking figure now. Um. And 232 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: I just thought it was important to bring this up 233 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: because it's so silly, but also this is but also 234 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: this is what these people are trying to do. Um. 235 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: And eventually somebody might get an actual co sponsor on 236 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: their terrible bill um and push this forward. Um, and 237 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: then it'll be a clusterfuck because you know anything can 238 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: mean anything else. Um, but I just thought it was 239 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: so funny. And uh, I can't believe he actually wrote 240 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: the word woke twice. It's twice in the bills. Yeah, 241 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: it's amazing. I can, I absolutely can. These guys. His 242 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: his basic seat is safe unless somebody primaries him from 243 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: like the right is even like more out of their 244 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: goddamn mind. Um. And he has no real national chance 245 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: of things, like he knows that there's no way Marco 246 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Ruby is ever going to be president. He's tried, and 247 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: he was bad at trying. So the only way for 248 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: him to be relevant and to continue to make money 249 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: is to signpost. Is the virtue signal for the ship 250 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: that like Republicans love, like hardcore republicans love, which is 251 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: stupid culture war bullshit because they have nothing else, um 252 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: and none of it, none of this ship. Yeah, no, 253 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: there's nothing nonsense. And it's all they have. It's like 254 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's just like they it's all they have. Um. 255 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: When they're on like you know, the news shows, they 256 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: go and meet the press or whatever, and it's all 257 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: like culture wars stuff and it's just like now so 258 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: now legislatively it's all cultural war stuff. Usually it's just like, Okay, 259 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: we want to cut taxes and like do that kind 260 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: of ship. But now it's just like, yeah, we hate 261 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: corporations now, but only because of the wokeness um and 262 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: it would require like it's so it's just like a 263 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: misunderstanding of the situation too, whether it's purposeful or not, 264 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: because the bill is to put the burden of proof 265 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: on corporations to show that they're far left actions are 266 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: in the shareholder's best interests, and as we have discussed, 267 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: they are because most people want that kind of ship, 268 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: whether or not they believe it. That's what the people want. 269 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Um yeah, And it's just so obvious, and yeah, they'll 270 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: never there will never be any like I don't know, 271 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: wreck heading here because the thing that the GOP cannot 272 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: ever do is acknowledge that, like their policies are unpopular, 273 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: if not hated, by more than sixty percent of the nation. 274 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: Um yeah, but they like the entirety of their actual 275 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: like political relevance is based on denying that and claiming 276 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: that anybody else who wins election who's not a fucking 277 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: paleo conservative fascists everything whatever is uh yeah, it's it's 278 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: everything about about their platform is about framing the other 279 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: side as other and bad, and they are ever ever 280 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: running on something that is good that we need. There's 281 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: cultural war, it is one hundred protecting interests and they're 282 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: not even pretending otherwise because what do they stand for. 283 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: It is it is impossible to actually improve anything with 284 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: any of the measures they improving improving. Democrats aren't much better, No, 285 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: the Democrats aren't. The Democrats haven't like are are more 286 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: or less incapable of improving anything, But at least their 287 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: politics are based upon pretending that they will, whereas Republican 288 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: politics are based on nothing but owning the lips. Like 289 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: that's all they are now because that's where the money is. 290 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: That's how you get the crowds, That's how you get 291 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: coverage in the media. Like a lot of this is 292 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: the media's falling. They will not when elections. We'll talk 293 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: about a little more with a build back better baby. Um, 294 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: first we gotta take a quick at break and then 295 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: we're going to build back better by talking about see 296 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: I hate plans to assassinate Julian A sance together everything 297 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: so don't don't and better from breaks and c I 298 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: a did it. They decided to do something, and they 299 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: find they finally did it correctly. They finally didn't fail 300 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: miserably after I mean finally didn't. Like I'm glad this 301 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: information got out, and it's good that people are like 302 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: up in arms about it, but it's also like, okay, 303 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: so yeah, they were spitballing about ways to murder a 304 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: guy and then they didn't do it. Like in the 305 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: grand scheme of c I A. Fuccory, this is pretty 306 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: low on the list. Actually you want to read some 307 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: of this, sure, I mean, because it made me laugh. 308 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: It would have been like wild as fuck if they'd 309 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: ever done it. Really yeah. In response, the CIA and 310 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: the White House began preparing for a number of scenarios 311 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: to foil Assange's Russian departure plan. According to three former officials, 312 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: those included potential gun battles within Kremlin operatives in the 313 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: streets of London, crashing a car into a Russian diplomatic 314 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: vehicle transporting Assange, and then grabbing him and shooting out 315 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: the tires of a Russian plane carrying a Sange before 316 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: it could take off to Moscow's British US officials asked 317 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: their British counterpoint parts to do the shooting if gunfire 318 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: was required, and the British agreed. According to a senior 319 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: Administration official, um, it's so funny, you know what this 320 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: all sounds like, because again they didn't do this, and 321 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: we don't actually know if they even took any serious 322 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: actions to like pair for this. It sounds like some 323 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: fucking ci A goons watched the fifteen James Bond movie Specter. Uh, 324 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: and then we're so amped up about it two years 325 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: later that they were talking about you were gonna have 326 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: to shoot out the fucking planes, tires, We're gonna grab him. 327 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: It's like, aney, it's like a little just like like 328 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: most of the this kind of ship didn't really happen 329 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: all that off, especially not in places like London during 330 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: the fucking height of the Cold War, Like there weren't 331 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: people weren't shooting planes in towntown London or whatever. Okay, 332 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna read a little bit more. It 333 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: is the vertical. It's unclear how serious the proposals to 334 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: kill it. Of course it was. I was told they 335 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: were just spitballing in staid of former senior counterintelligence official 336 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: brief and the discussions about kinetic options. Regarding the Wikily founder, 337 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: it was just Trump being Trump. So what this tells 338 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: me is this is like the writer room for We're 339 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: on the clock. They're paid the bullshit. Yeah yeah, it's 340 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: very indicative of like the silliness of the organization in general, 341 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: and why a lot of the like why a lot 342 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: of the things they do is like, wait, you try 343 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: to do what it sounds like an episode of Veep 344 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: is what it sounds. Yeah, I've got, I've got, I've 345 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: got some transcripts from the meeting, uh C, I agent 346 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: one and then the guns go and then I'm gonna 347 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: be like, um, it's just like and I'm like, it's 348 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: another thematically, it's interesting because much like the stupid bill 349 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: we just talked about, it's like indicative like that's actually 350 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: really fucked up that they were talking about. Like it's 351 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: very don't don't get mystery of it is like not 352 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: thinking it's fucked up, but it's it's like, I'm sorry 353 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: to push back on action movies which now think we 354 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: think it's possible, we think that's a good idea. We 355 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: don't think about collateral damage anyway. Continue you look at 356 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: the wave like look at the way the Russians actually 357 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: carried out like assassiny missions in London. They were using 358 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: like really bizarre fucking uh poisons and ship that they 359 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: were like shooting people like fucking like umbrella darts are 360 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: poisoning their drinks or whatever, like that's how you do 361 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: this ship if you're a state, like you know what 362 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: the plan is, like like super and like part two, 363 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: it's like, well want to yeah, no, And I'm sure 364 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure after like the bullshit session ended, the whatever 365 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: serious people exist in the CIA were like, no, if 366 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: we're killing Julia Massange, we're going to fucking poison his 367 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: drink by like the fact that we we own one 368 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: of the people who works at the Ecuadorian embassy and 369 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: like refills their water bottles or whatever. Like I'm sure 370 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: they have that option if they if they had gotten 371 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: the go ahead to kill him, they could have done 372 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: it without machine gun battles with the Kremlin in London. 373 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: And also I don't think the Kremlin would have agreed 374 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: to get it, like they're gonna be like, are we 375 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: gonna get into a machine gun battle? Of course we're not. 376 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: I would probably watch that movie, sure, absolutely, especially if 377 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: Julian Assange is played by who should he be played by? 378 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: It would be a good Juliana Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scars 379 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: Guard yeah baby yeah, which I could see that or 380 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: any of them. Yeah, who's the guy from there will 381 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: be blood, the little Weasley kid, Paul Paul Dano, I 382 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: can see doing some sort of type. I know he's 383 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: not blonde. Like I like the idea of Julian Assange 384 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: being played by like a rotating cast of all the 385 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Scars Guards, Like every scene it's a different Scars Guard, 386 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: but they're all playing Julian Assange, like the like, what's 387 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: that imaginarium of Dr Parnassis? That's exactly right, exactly what 388 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: what I want for this because the CIA got an 389 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: Age Ray. Yeah, I'd like the gilliam version of yeah, 390 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: buck it, let's go all the way with this ship 391 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: higher the same guys who are part of this bullshit 392 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: session to be the scripture of the screenwriters it is. 393 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: It is funny in our in our doc about this, 394 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: Garrison pointed out how fucked up it is that one 395 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: of the people within the agency who thought this plan 396 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: was ridiculous said, this isn't Pakistan or Egypt. We're talking 397 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: about London, which is literally saying, well, you can get 398 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: into a big gunfight in the middle of another nation's 399 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: capital if they're like not white, but what we're gonna 400 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: do this? We can't. We can't do it. There, come on, people, 401 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: which is both very racist and also exactly true, Like 402 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: you could have as soon as you heard people were 403 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: talking about having like a fight over Assange in London. 404 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: No they're not. They're never going to do that. Russia 405 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: is not going to do that. We're not going to 406 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: do that because it's London. Yeah, that's racist and fucked up, 407 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: but that's like the way the game works, and it 408 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: is a game to these It's never stopped us before 409 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: being ra Yeah yeah, um good ship, good ship, Um, 410 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean bat ship. It's it's again. I do I 411 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: do want to like underscore this by saying it's horrible 412 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: that they're even having this meeting to assassinate, um journalists, 413 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: stuff about how the CIA fucking spots on you with 414 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: all the ship Like there was something about Greenwald two 415 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: in the latest tranche of of leaks. Right, yeah, so 416 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 1: this is back during the Obama White House. Um, but 417 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 1: in two US and thirteen wiki leaks helped Edward Snowden 418 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: get from Hong Kong to Russia after he you know, 419 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: did his big leak. Um. And at that point Obama 420 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: officials wanted to designate wiki leaks and two journalists including 421 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: like Grin Greenwald and Lauren Potress who did the story 422 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: information brokers instead of journalists, which wouldn't make it easier 423 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: to prosecute them. Um. Again, didn't get didn't get done. 424 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: But like, yeah, there's like really this this Yeah, like 425 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: the fact that we're laughing about this attempt. This Yahoo 426 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: story is really worth reading and it is very unsettling. Yeah, 427 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: I think is also like there's a there's one quote 428 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: in the article about like you know, it's they're just 429 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: spit balling, you know, all these options. It was just 430 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: trumping Trump. It's not trumping Trump. It's America being America, 431 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: like everyone is. Yeah, I mean I I see that energy, 432 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: just trumping Trump. But right, it's not that that's that's 433 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: the legacy if that right? But was he in that room? 434 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: You know? Um so yeah, I just again just hilarious 435 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: like ineptitude and bizarre like conversations from the CIA, while 436 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: at the same time being like, well, you know they 437 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: do this and it's not like Buiden's probably not having 438 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: these exact same conversations, but uh, they're always going to 439 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: be hostile towards uh figures like that. Yeah, and and 440 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: it's not good. What should we talk about now? Um, 441 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about the metaverse? Can we talk about 442 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: the metaverse? Can we talk about this? This metaverse, metaverse, metavie, 443 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: whatever you want about this. You've seen this. I can't 444 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: do the voice the way our friend Tom Ryman can. Um, Yeah, 445 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: what what do you? What do you what? What was 446 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: your game plan there, Cody? I'm just gonna say, Lewinsky 447 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: a bunch, maybe get a few, but a few goes 448 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, well all right, let's um okay. So 449 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: there's a good article in the Washington Post in their 450 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: launcher vertical, which I guess is video game news and analysis. 451 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: Never seen it before today. When I say good article, 452 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: useful article, I it's called Epic Games believes the Internet 453 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: is broken. This is their blueprint to fix it. It's 454 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: about more metaverse shit. Um. What I like about this 455 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: is that this is from the perspective of basically everyone 456 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: else in the industry that isn't Facebook. Um. Not that 457 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: there are any good like epic are the guys who 458 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: make fucking oh god, what is that game that like 459 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: literally everyone but me in the world place Fortnite? Um, 460 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: And so it talks about stuff like that weird Martin 461 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: Luther King event they did, and like the article is 462 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: not at all critical about it just talks about how 463 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: many people attended and like how good it was, and so, 464 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: like I I the tone of the article, I think, 465 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: if you're like me, will be frustrating because there's not 466 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: a lot of credibility about whether or not this is 467 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: like a good idea or healthy, or whether or not 468 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: these people um have any desire but to like find 469 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: better ways to monetize the Internet. But it is useful 470 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: because this is how this is the best article I 471 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: found on how the people who have a significant amount 472 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: of power in techs in the in the specific tech 473 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: section that deals with like how we consume the Internet, um, 474 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: how they're thinking about the metaverse, which is kind of 475 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: what they're all increasingly seeing as the Internet after social media, 476 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: or at least after what kind of we know as 477 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: social media today. And I think it's useful to read 478 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: not because I think this will happen, because I think 479 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: one of the consistent things about the Internet is at 480 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: when you're trying to figure out what the Internet is 481 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: going to look like next, the people who are like 482 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: most powerful and influential in in in the Internet are 483 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: never the people who figure that out. If you were 484 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: if you were trying to ask that question in like 485 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: two thousand four or five, um, you would not have 486 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: guessed where we are now because like the fucking Facebook 487 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: and Twitter and whatnot, these guys were all like upstart 488 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: most of them hadn't been started yet, like the new 489 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: social media companies like we're all like upstarts and the 490 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: big companies that were throwing their money into places like 491 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: my Space and ship. Um. It's it's the nature of 492 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: the Internet is um insurgent in a lot of ways, 493 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: and it that always gets co opted, it becomes profitable, 494 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: and then the insurgent like Google used to be insurgents 495 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: and they become uh institutions and almost states in their 496 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: own rights as Facebook. Did you know, Um not that 497 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: Facebook was ever particularly cool, but it didn't used to 498 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: be the power you know. Um, So I'm not I'm 499 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: not particularly I don't particularly think that just because these 500 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: p bowl who are the ones in power right now 501 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: want this metaverse concept to be what we get, is 502 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: that it's what we'll get, but it's what they're going 503 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: to try for. And so I think it's interesting to 504 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: read for that context and the The overwhelming impression I 505 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: get from this article and from everything I read about 506 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: this is that all of these fucking nerds read snow 507 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: Crash when they were fourteen years old and never got 508 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: never not just never got over it, because I have 509 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: no issues with snow Crash, but didn't realize that it 510 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: was like dystopian, like it's the same thing, like where 511 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: like people appreciate like Ready Player one without kind of 512 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: acknowledging that like, well, it's a nightmare. The world deposits 513 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: is like horrible. I think he even forgot at a 514 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: certain point that like the world he he the fantasy 515 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: world he drew up, and that the future is like 516 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: a horrible night It's a nightmare. Also, like just to 517 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: that point, that movie ends with the victory being that 518 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: like the hero gets like a nicer apartment and everyone 519 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: has to like log off for an hour a week. Yeah, 520 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: it's still hell. You still live in this desert and 521 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: the environment is still destroying everyone. It's like you are 522 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: not allowed to hide from that problem as much. Um, 523 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: it's it's very dyea and snow Crash is a much 524 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: better book. I'm not pleased. Do not take this as 525 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: me Ship talking snow not neither of my praising it hugely, 526 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't call one of my favorite books. But 527 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: it's it was a book that was influential because it 528 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: was it was exploring some interesting things, but it was 529 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: exploring very critically, um, what cyberspace had started to become 530 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: already then and like what the fucking nineties, um, and 531 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: positing where it would go from there. Uh. And all 532 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: of these nerds read it and we're like, oh cool, 533 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: I could have a samurai sword and uh be a 534 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: be a fucking internet samurai hero. Guy. Um if I 535 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: did that but also made a bunch of money by 536 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: selling Ferrari access to drop their car is into the world, 537 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: and like there's some there's some fucking on it. So 538 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: the guy you know, this is epic. I just want 539 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: to insure Jack and say that Sophie and I are 540 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: texting each other saying we don't know what they're talking about. 541 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: That's fine, but the metaverse real quick? Okay, no, no no, no, 542 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: this is and and I'm googling metaverse. Yeah. Yeah, that's 543 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: not going to be productive right now. I need to 544 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: be honest and and and the voice of at least 545 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: some of our listeners. I'm sure, absolutely no, we have. 546 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: We have not been responsible in just diving in because Cody, 547 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: I truly was like, did I zone out and miss 548 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: something critical? I don't think so, But then I spent 549 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: too much time thinking that. Anyway, I continue, Cody and 550 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: I are if I can say this, shameful nerds. So yeah, 551 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: Cody versus just like it's just like the Internet, but 552 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: like you're in it right, Like it's like exact representation 553 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: of like, oh, here's my avatar and I'm here and 554 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: I look it's if you've seen that Community episode where 555 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: the Dean gets the v are thing. Is this like 556 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: glasses type sh No, that would be more like what 557 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: like integrated reality, Like you log on and you're like 558 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: you're in there. Oh, this is a three D space 559 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: and look there's like a big gargoyle but that's my 560 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: friend Dan and like that's who he wants to represent 561 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: himself as, and like you go and it's so would 562 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,239 Speaker 1: this be social media to it would be everything. So 563 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: I would walk into Twitter in my room full of 564 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: friends and I'd be like, hey, Dan, um kind of 565 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, and like Solvie is saying, like the Sims, 566 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: but your friends are there, um a little bit. Um. 567 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: You'd have like access to all the things that we 568 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: have access to, and you'd be able to check your 569 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: like all the sort of things. But it is a 570 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: three D space that I get, like like Robert sort 571 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: of talking about, like yeah, you get like fer ariads 572 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: in your face and like all this bullshit and like, 573 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah I did. I collected this many coins in 574 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: the metaphorse, so now I can buy this um and 575 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: the guy so epic dude. So Fortnite is like started 576 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: out as just like an O the shooter that was 577 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: very popular, and so it's become it's kind of like 578 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: I think they've kind of stolen some ideas from Minecraft 579 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: and on its become like this bigger thing where you 580 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: can do all sorts of weird media events and whatnot 581 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: in it. And everyone's been kind of debating how like 582 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: the metaverse, because the original ideas of the metaverse was 583 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: it was all one thing, right, there was no you know, 584 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: like right now we have you have Apple's App Store, 585 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: you have the Android App Store, you have these different websites, 586 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: and they're all these walled gardens, right, you can't get 587 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: like Facebook isn't allowing everyone to get in their ship 588 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: because they want to own everything. Apple isn't allowing Facebook 589 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: to get in their ship. Everybody's got like their own 590 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: little separate thing. The idea behind the metaverse was it 591 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: was just like this world and you could you stumble 592 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: into like you know this, It doesn't really matter what 593 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: your hardware is or whatever. Like you you experience it 594 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: all persistently. Um look an MMO or something, um and uh. 595 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: The problem is that like you have all these walled gardens. 596 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: And so the Epic CEO, the guy who's who's you know, 597 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: owns Fortnite once, doesn't like Facebook's ideas for the metaverse, 598 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: wants it all to be integrated, and it is talking 599 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: about like building a set of um standards for for 600 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: the next stage of the Internet so that you know, 601 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: Apple Like one of the things that Epic has done 602 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: is they've sued Apple over the fact that Apple exerts 603 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: total control over their app store, like they're arguing. Epic 604 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: is arguing that that's monopoly. Um, I'm not going to 605 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: comment on whether or not I think that is because 606 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand that law very well. Um, and I 607 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: don't think Epics motivation ensuing Apple is particularly like noble 608 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: or like yeah, like I don't. I don't give a 609 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: ship how that case goes. In other words, Um, but 610 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I want to I'm going to read a 611 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: quote from the Washington Post article on this. The simplest 612 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: way to define the metaverse is that the metaverse is 613 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: as an evolution of how users interact with brands, intellectual 614 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: properties in each other on the Internet. The metaverse, I know, man, 615 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's bad. It's bad. Just hold on, 616 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: hold on. The metaverse to Sweeney, that's the CEO of 617 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: EPIC would be expansive, digitized communal space where users can 618 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: mingle freely with brands and one another in ways that 619 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: permits self expression and spark joy. It would be it's rough, 620 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: it's rough, it's rough. I said, this was a frustrating article, 621 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: but it's a useful. It would be a kind of 622 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: online play I know, I know. Just let me get 623 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: through this and then we'll talk about it. Would be 624 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: a kind of online playground. Where users could join friends 625 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: to play a multiplayer game like Epics Fortnite one moment, 626 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: watch a movie via Netflix the next, and then bring 627 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: their friends to test drive a new car that's crafted 628 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: exactly the same in the real world as it would 629 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: be in this virtual one. It would not be, Sweeney said, 630 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: the manicured, ad laden newsfeed presented by platforms like Facebook. 631 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: The metaverse isn't going to be like that, Sweeney said. 632 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: A car maker who wants to make a presence in 633 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: the metaverse isn't going to run ads. They're going to 634 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: drop their car into the world in real time, and 635 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: you'll be able to drive it around, and they're going 636 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: to work with lots of content creators with different experiences 637 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: to ensure their car is playable here and there, and 638 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: that it's receiving the attention it deserves. Now, that's bullshit 639 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: and dumb. I want to be really clear about that. 640 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: It's this is important, not because any of this is 641 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: a good idea or cool, but because this is what 642 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: they're trying to do. Like I'm not do not think 643 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: that this is bullshit and dumb, and I think it's 644 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: going to fail because I don't think people want that 645 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: People want Fortnite. Clearly people like playing Fortnite. I don't 646 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: think people want to like travel from Fortnite to watching 647 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: Netflix digitally with friends and then driving around like a 648 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: fake Ferrari Like that doesn't That does not seem good 649 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: good technology. And I'm not saying good in a moral sense. 650 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying good in the sense that it actually can 651 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: can take a hold and be successful and and like 652 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: propagate virally. Right, Steve Steve Jobs was kind of like 653 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: the master of this. And it wasn't because he was 654 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: a great coder inventor. Is because he he knew the 655 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: thing that he was brilliant at. And the reason why 656 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: Apple has more money than a lot of countries right 657 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: now is he understood intuitively what human beings wanted to 658 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: hold in their hand and what they wanted to do 659 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,720 Speaker 1: with it, and he gave them that and it changed 660 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: the world, mostly in bad ways. Again, I'm not trying 661 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: to praise the man here, but he understood something profound, 662 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: in deep about human beings and what they wanted, and 663 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: that's why the iPhone was such a success. This guy 664 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: does not have that understanding, and I don't get that 665 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: hint from this um, from this from anything I've read 666 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: in this article that he understands what people would want 667 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: from a metaverse. I still don't completely understand even the concept, 668 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: but let's just go with that. But what you're saying 669 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: makes sense to me, because yeah, the things that take roots, 670 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: that take hold are things that benefit my life in 671 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: my day to day and that fuel the fact that 672 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: you don't understand as I'm explaining this is proof that 673 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. Because if we if we were 674 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: to go back fifteen years before he went had smartphones, 675 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: and I took an iPhone one and I put it 676 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: in your hands and I said, Katie, type into that 677 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: map app the place you want to go, you would 678 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: go like, holy sh it, this is fucking amazing. Like 679 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: you would immediately get intuitive natural. That's why I like, yeah, 680 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: like kids like babies understand it. Yeah, well, and and 681 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: and and to that point, I'll also say, like, if 682 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: someone was to sit down and describe the Internet to 683 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: me in general, um, before it existed, I certainly would 684 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: have understood. I barely understand now, you know. So there's that. 685 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: But but I think if I were down before the 686 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: Internet and said, hey, this technology will allow every single 687 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: person in the world to be in contact with every 688 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: single other person persistently forever. You would say, holy shit, 689 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: that sounds like a big deal, and you would be right. 690 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm not completely using this in my argument about it. 691 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm saying that, like there's a part of me that's like, 692 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Things surprised me. I didn't think TikTok 693 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: would take off. But um, you know that people. But 694 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: but but my what, especially this past year of being 695 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: in our homes and being more isolated, I find resentment 696 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: more and more personally with everything technology related. I crave 697 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: my moments of not um. I need boundaries between myself 698 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: and my internet. So anything that threatens that is like 699 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: a no go for me. But also I don't to 700 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: your point, I don't think people in general want that. No. No. 701 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: And the thing is, there's a difference between technology that 702 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: can make money or be successful in technology that changes things, 703 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: and that can that can alter the fundamental way in 704 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: which we interact with reality. Smartphones fundamentally altered the way 705 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: we're interacted with reality. So did social media. They both 706 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: Number one, were immediately intuitive, which is why you got 707 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: a Facebook, Katie, That's why you got like a Twitter 708 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 1: because you've got what these things were offering, right, something 709 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: with a smartphone. The fact that you cannot there are 710 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: of course, I'm and I'm sure you could build a 711 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: metaverse like Sweeney's talking about that ten twenty million people 712 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: would get on board with and like it would be profitable. 713 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: But it's not going to change the work's going to 714 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: be adopted on a mass skill because most people you 715 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: have to sit down and try to explain them why 716 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: they might be interested in this and are going to 717 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: be like what you are, like jumped to ten years 718 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: from now, when all the kids hanging out in the 719 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: metaverse are you know, ganging up on the year uh 720 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: and booking out there you know whatever? Yeah, Donald Trump 721 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: with a big Samurai sword Junior complaining about how his 722 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 1: algorithms are getting crushed. I think the kids want to 723 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: listen to nerd out over K pop stars, um, and 724 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: they want to do drugs while lighting dumpsters on fire. 725 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: Minecraft And at the end of the day, kids are kids, right, 726 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: And so such a good point, Cody, Such a good point. 727 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: Just in time for this ad break, let's just soak in. 728 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: Let's soak in the capitalism. Well, maybe we can get 729 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: communism to do a jump hump while we're soaking in 730 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: capitalism and have a social democracy. I need to like 731 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: work with more women together everything don't all right, we're back, 732 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: we built back better, We've builded and that's that's our 733 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: next subject. I'm sorry for making you all think about 734 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: the fucking metaverse, but I I used to be. I 735 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: got my start in tech journalism, which is a nonsense. 736 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah that was like I was going to 737 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: cs in the Mobile World Congress, right and about this 738 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: was back in like the heyday of like this is 739 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: back when everyone cared whenever Apple released a new product 740 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: because it was going to be a big deal, you know, yeah, yeah, 741 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: it was alive. Um, you learned something new about Robert 742 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: Evans every day, built backway, build back better? Is that 743 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: what we want to talk about now? Yeah? Yeah? Why 744 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: do we care that things add to the national debt? 745 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: Do you want to explain that to me? Because people 746 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: have tried and I never understood. I don't think so. Um, 747 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: it only matters to whoever's not the party in power, right, Yeah, 748 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: It's just that, no matter what people say about like 749 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: what could happen? If I feel like for my entire 750 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: life it's increased beyond what twenty years ago anyone thought 751 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,280 Speaker 1: was physically possible, and it's no one did anything. It's fine, 752 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: Like it's not fine. The world's fucked up, but it's 753 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: not sucked up because the debt's high, right, I think, 754 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,479 Speaker 1: and Garrison pointed this out in the Dock as well. 755 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: But god damn it. Everything comes down to how well 756 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: yeah spin and how the media portrays it. So you 757 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: look at the way this conversation is framed for this 758 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: build back better, and they're talking about it costing three 759 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: and a half trillion dollars, which does sound like a 760 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: lot of dollars. It's true, it's a lot of dollars. 761 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: Talking about the fact that this is over a ten 762 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: year period of time, so it's actually just one point 763 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: two per cent of the U. S economy over the 764 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: next ten years. So it's actually not when you put 765 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: it in context. But people do not well some people, 766 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, people on the other side are leading with 767 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: or omitting that because it doesn't benefit their argument against it. 768 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know why the media, I don't know 769 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,720 Speaker 1: why more media coverage, I mean, I do it's clicks 770 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: they want cosationalist I think people arguing and it's so 771 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: much of public person I mean, all public perception is 772 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: shaped by the media, and it's it's frustrating because, like, 773 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,439 Speaker 1: if you want to put this in some perspective, we've 774 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: spent six to seven trillion dollars is kind of one 775 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: of the middle estimates for how much we spent on 776 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: the war on Terror since two thousand and one. I've 777 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: I've heard some that are more like nine or ten 778 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: summer less, but like six to seven trillion pretty reasonable 779 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: is like a whole price tag, So like three and 780 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: a half trillion for ten years. It would we would 781 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: be spending what we spent on the War on Terror 782 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: that we clearly could afford to spend because we did. 783 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: Except for we would be spending it like not murdering people, presume, 784 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: making people's lives better instead of ending there. And I'm sure, 785 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure as much of it would be bullshit as 786 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: the War on Terror because the government's bad at everything, 787 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: but it would at least not be bombing people. Presumably 788 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: there'd be some steps in the right direction. Yeah, hopefully 789 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: we at least get some fucking bridges fixed. That would 790 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: be good, would be good, Yeah, um, some would be good. 791 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: Less bridge collapses. I don't know, I just can't bring myself. 792 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: Like every time there's like some like like right now 793 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: there's this, uh, there's this chicken game going on about 794 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: like whether or not to raise the fucking debt ceiling 795 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: again every time run out of money and like a 796 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: couple if they don't, and it's every time, it's stupid. 797 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: None of the money's real, and that the dumb thing 798 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: about it is that nine times out of ten it's 799 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: going to be nothing, but it is something that could 800 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: go horribly wrong, Like it's it's it's like that. I 801 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: keep thinking back to him, fucking Otophane Bismarck talking about 802 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: like in the days before World War One, the h 803 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: they're kept being these crises in the Balkans. The king 804 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: would get assassinated or like something would you know, one 805 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: state would like take a village from another, and like 806 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: everyone would be on the brink of war because the 807 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: Balkans were all tied up in the system of alliances 808 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: and everybody knew that one day one of these things 809 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: could go too far and all of these states could 810 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: not pull back from the brink and you would have 811 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: a calamity, which eventually happened. Um and Bismarck. When everyone 812 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: would talk about how the European War was going to happen, 813 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: Bismarck would be like, Oh, it'll probably be some damn 814 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: fool thing in the Balkans. And he was right. It 815 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: was some damn foul thing in the Balkans, bis Maark 816 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: nuody was talking about, and it's this is that kind 817 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: of thing. It'll probably be nothing until the day in 818 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: which like everybody misjudge is just a little bit, and 819 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: then it's a calamity um and then like the government 820 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: shuts down, and because of a cascading series of other 821 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,479 Speaker 1: things that happened at the same time, we're not able 822 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: to respond with it. Maybe there's a hack on power infrastructure. 823 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,239 Speaker 1: There's a natural that some series of fucked up things 824 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: happened during this like no government for a while because 825 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: like we ran out of money bullshit, and like there's 826 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: a horrible problem and you can't fix it and you 827 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: can't pull back, and you can't just go into Congress 828 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: the next day and say, you know what, nobody was 829 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: serious about this bullshit. It'll be too late and a 830 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 1: bunch of like the problem isn't that like the states 831 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: prestige will be diminished. It's that a bunch of regular 832 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: people will die or be otherwise horribly, horribly affected. And um, 833 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 1: it's frustrating. And everybody's complicit. Who's at least fucking politics? 834 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: And I hate it and they should all. I don't 835 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 1: want to say work at Denny's like working at Denny's 836 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: as bad. I want to say work at Denny's because 837 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 1: it would objectively mean they would be helping this iety 838 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: more than they are affect their outlook on the worldly. Clear, 839 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: I have a thousand times more respect for any given employees. Absolutely, no, no, No, 840 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: that's clear. That's a that's a point well made. Because 841 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: they're so out of touch with the reality of of 842 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: being in the workforce, of interacting with humanity, that they're 843 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: so disconnected that their heads are just so far up 844 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,879 Speaker 1: their own asses that they don't see what's happening around 845 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: them or they don't care. They don't care. Everybody in 846 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: Congress is very out of touch with reality. They can't 847 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: don't even know how to kiss their wives. It's only 848 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: because I saw Josh Holly kiss his wife today. There's 849 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: a photos the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Um, it's 850 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 1: like these personally closed lips, like their lips are like 851 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: each of one of their lips is like like imploding, 852 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: Like it's they're going inside their own mouths and then 853 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: impressing them against each other. Kind of all the sexy 854 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: talk this episode, they keep getting they live. We've let 855 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,839 Speaker 1: our political class because of like everything becomes so disconnected 856 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,919 Speaker 1: from regular people that they're not like people in most 857 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: of the ways that matter, by which I mean like 858 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: your life would seem like an alien fantasy to them, 859 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 1: and you can see them all like even when like 860 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: people who are broadly speaking regular get in like Alexandriacasio Cortez, 861 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: they change over time. It can't not it like it's 862 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: it's meant to to to disconnect and break you, um well, 863 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: because you you're in this position of equivocating with everybody 864 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: and like trying to compromise or like being torn and 865 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: all this, and you're living in this weird universe where 866 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: like all of the things they say makes sense and 867 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: all of like the things that like the horrible things 868 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: they say about each other in the news, like they're 869 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: all very nice in person and their friends and like 870 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,880 Speaker 1: this is the game that we're all playing, and we 871 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: all make money off of it, and like you can say, 872 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: Kristen Cinema's gotten sucked into it hardcore. She's like marching 873 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: in black block at the fucking W T O and 874 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: Seattle fifteen years ago, and now she's like meeting now 875 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: she's bombing a fucking infrastructure bill in the interest of 876 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: oil and gas companies, so the the very party, so 877 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: that she can stay in the in the game with 878 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: her with her new friends and and be in power. Um, 879 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it. A lot of it 880 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: is pressure, a lot of it is the institution. It 881 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: is done, and those people who try to stand up 882 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: against it ultimately get sucked in because that's how they 883 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: get more power. That there's just different ways. But it's 884 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: not good. It's there should be more, much more term 885 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: limits to everything that is wrong with us as a society. 886 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,279 Speaker 1: I think comes out there. I'm reading a book right 887 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: now called cult Ish and as in like English right 888 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: or Spanish, and it's talking about the language, the way 889 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: cults use language and that brainwashing isn't real. But what 890 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: actually happens is when you were in a community that 891 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: is like reinforcing in a number of social ways and 892 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: also introduces you to a new kind of language base 893 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: that kind of makes it impossible to identify with anything else. 894 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: And like that's how cults work, and that's how you 895 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: know every degree of cult from like the low its 896 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: like fucking cross fit or burning Man that that aren't 897 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: really harmful, that are just like make use of some 898 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: of those things because they're attractive to people to like 899 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: hardcore cults, and like you, like the fucking Congress is 900 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. It's a cult, though it is 901 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 1: a cult, Like it's this weird fucking culti society that 902 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 1: these congressmen and a handful of lobbyists are all in 903 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: um and and the worst thing that can possibly happen 904 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: when you are in it is that you get kicked out, 905 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,880 Speaker 1: So you'll do everything to stay in and generally that 906 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: keeping the donations coming and whatever. It's fucking Sophie. Sophie 907 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: just sent a picture, the picture of them kissing to 908 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: the text thread and it is an early Those are 909 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: those are like two kids. Those are like preschool kids 910 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: having their first kiss. But they don't want to have 911 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,840 Speaker 1: you talked about Josh Holly's come yet. Oh god damn it. Okay, 912 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about something else here. Most of 913 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: us live in areas with them, those those weird kind 914 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: of like caterpillars that are all like spiny, and they're 915 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: different colored, like they're kind of like they're like brown 916 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,720 Speaker 1: and red, and they sort of inch along the ground 917 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: and if you touch them they sting like hell. Although 918 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,360 Speaker 1: that's the come that comes out of jaw. It's like 919 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of those poisonous little caterpillars just sort of 920 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,279 Speaker 1: like pumping together a piece of merch that's kind of 921 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,799 Speaker 1: like those, um, those charts, those nature diagram charts. Yeah, 922 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: that's different. You know what it should be, you know 923 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,360 Speaker 1: the political those political compass memes where it's like a 924 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,760 Speaker 1: square and you've got like authoritarian left Aubertary, libertarian left libertary. 925 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,239 Speaker 1: It should be that and then marked up by politicians 926 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: and their come types, because like you know, some spinier 927 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: than others, some is dustier than others. Um yeah, some 928 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 1: is just a literal pile of cobwebs. Some Can I 929 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,919 Speaker 1: just pitched that awful great idea that that's that's what's 930 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 1: gonna give us enough money to detach from society. Can 931 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:04,480 Speaker 1: I talk about something else? Okay? Please? A little update? Uh? 932 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: I A c still is not officially authorized a strike, 933 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: but that is percolating. But I wanted just to bring 934 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: this up again in the context of Catherine Heigl Um 935 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: real quick, and you guys might be surprised what I'm 936 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,280 Speaker 1: talking about. Well, do you remember how a while back 937 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: Katherine Heigel talked vocally and publicly about unsafe working conditions 938 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,440 Speaker 1: on set and how you know they were working seventeen 939 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: hour days and how it was really unreasonable. People can't 940 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,719 Speaker 1: get home to see their families, and their lives are disrupted. 941 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: People are driving home exhausted, etcetera. And everybody said she's 942 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: a bit, she's hard to work with, she's unlikable. Um 943 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 1: and her career I very much do I stay. I 944 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 1: have a knee jerk reaction when I hear Katherine Heigel's name. 945 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 1: I think diva. It's true and everybody, you guys know 946 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,760 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about this y and and she posted 947 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 1: and I want to applaud her. She posted about this 948 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: her support of IOTSY and then went on to say 949 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: what happened to her She started having years of feeling 950 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: like was I too much? Was I unreasonable? What happened 951 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,360 Speaker 1: in her head? Self conscious and her career is completely changed. 952 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 1: So I do remember her complaining about that and then 953 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: not being in stuff anymore. Not she was written off 954 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: the show Seth Rogan and Shonda Rhymes. Everybody threw her 955 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: under the bus. Barbara Walters said nobody cares to her. 956 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like on an interview she says, nobody really 957 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: cares because like, we don't sympathize with you, like, this 958 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: is all stuff that happened everybody. It was a public 959 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: it was a joke. She was a joke. And um 960 00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: interesting considering the sausage party, the animators were treated incredibly poorly. 961 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 1: They I wanted to bring this up partly because I 962 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: think it's important, partly because I seem to be um 963 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: championing this one argument a lot lately, which is we 964 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,600 Speaker 1: all have to revisit the ship that we used to 965 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: find acceptable as we're calling it out now. Not to 966 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,440 Speaker 1: say that like, oh, we all owe a massive apology, 967 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: but we have, but yeah, we we should all like 968 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: look at our own behavior and how it has been 969 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 1: conditioned by the media. You know, the same with build 970 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: back better, and how we receive this news. We're being 971 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 1: fed a narrative, whether you know it or not. And 972 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: it's really important for us to do this work of 973 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 1: looking back and looking now. And and it hasn't even 974 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 1: been that long a period of time. We're talking like 975 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 1: ten years. And I'm glad that people are finally noticing 976 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,680 Speaker 1: this and seeing and speaking up and being supportive of 977 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 1: each other when they're talking about abuse, because that is 978 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: abuse as well. Sorry, Okay, soapbox, but it's all connected 979 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: to me, and that's where my mind's at these days. 980 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 1: They're on that soapbox. Okay, I'm hopping back on. Are 981 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,319 Speaker 1: you prepared to apologize for what you've said about Josh 982 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: Holly's come? Yeah? What do you specifically have said and 983 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,359 Speaker 1: nobody else? Yeah? Because you know I'm never apologizing, right, 984 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,839 Speaker 1: I will. I am prepared to apologize suggesting we make 985 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,240 Speaker 1: a nature chart out of Josh Holly and other senators 986 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: comes when I when I get elected to Congress, I'm 987 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: doing a filibuster. I don't care on what, and I'm 988 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 1: just going to laboriously describe the comes of every single 989 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 1: other elected leader. So wherever Robert Evans is honestly like 990 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 1: the only person I can imagine getting elected to public 991 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: office and not um falling into the machine. Oh, I'd 992 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: be horrible. No, it would I would immediately get corrupted. Um, 993 00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 1: you'd be taking, would be I'd take everybody's, wouldn't write 994 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: I want my I want, I want I want my 995 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,920 Speaker 1: bear cat. Look, bear cats don't buy themselves, Katie, I 996 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 1: want one for each foot. I'm not gonna wear shoes anymore. 997 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a different under armored vehicle under each 998 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,399 Speaker 1: leg every day. A vehicle, right, It's not like it's 999 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 1: a vehicle. But I'll have some pet bear cats to 1000 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: the animals and with them in Kristen Cinema as we 1001 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: as we uh do our weird little dances when we 1002 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: vote down. That is some fan art that I would 1003 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: love to see. You've got your marching orders, guys. I 1004 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: think that's it for us this week. Te us out 1005 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 1: online at Worst Year Pod. That's it, Oh my god, 1006 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: everything everything I tried. 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