1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, how y'all doing here? Is Mike 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: check check check Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. Yeah yeah, how's 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: that body feeling? Yeah? Oh, this is a a special Man 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Live Rapperator Podcast rapp rate On podcast Live in l A. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: That's our first one in l A too, first one 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: in l A. Yeah, you know, before we get started. Man, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: definitely gotta thank the good people a g My God, 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Marcus making this happen. Are tremendous partners that rapperaate Or 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Podcast Interval presents, always supporting. It's gonna be an amazing night. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: But you know, first and foremost, though, I want to 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: make sure you know it's heavy in our hearts, the 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: passing of Umaf. I'm not really a big moment of 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: silence person, but I think it's very fitting this case. 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: You know, I definitely had the chance to document them 15 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, actually qua on take off 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: for the first episode we did of this new run 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: of the rapperaate Or Podcast. Let's give a quick moment 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: of silence for takeoff. Thank you, thank you? Yeah. Yeah, 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: let's so now. At times, Man, yeah, I say something, 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: but beat out this pandemic. Everything's been tough but you 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: know what, I've listened to a lot since things got 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: craziness world? What's that? It was? It was good until 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't. Wasn't. But I'm on that blue water though, 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: man too. I'm feeling that. Man, that's my joint. But 25 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: when me and Beat out trying to figure out to 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: he who they have on the show for the special event, 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: you know this, this creative is out here really making noise. 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: Um and I'm honored that she's agreed to talk to 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: us and have this mement with her true fans out there. 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: We got some truth, They got some real cold of 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: hands for real fans. Yeah. No industry stuff, man, no 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: industry stuff, right, be no industry you know she ain't 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: no industry neither. She hasn't. She doesn't really do interviews, 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's even like anyview people. Man. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: So I'm scared, but I'm gonna be nice. I'm gonna smile, 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: but try to ask intelligent questions. And I love the music. 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Don't get funked up, Elliott. And now I want I 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: promise you so, yeah, you make some noise noise? Yes, hello, 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: he make it so comfortable. How are you feeling client. 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm nervous, nervous talk to people in a 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: long dame. It's all good, though, But it seems like 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: you really relaxed. I saw you in Hawaii for the 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: last week or so. Yeah, I had a show. I 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: finished my North American tour there, so it was nice. Yes, 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: So here's what I'm hearing about the North American tour, 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: that it's phenomenal. And yeah, I just think that like this, 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean like it's like I was saying earlier, like 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: you've created kind of this great art during this tough 49 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: time for everybody. It must feel very exciting to now 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: be able to go outside and share this experience with 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: your fans. Yeah, it was interesting to put on an 52 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: album and like the thick of the pandemic and not 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: be able to tour it, and then drop another album 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: and have to figure out how to navigate, you know, 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: creating a tour out of two unplayed albums, and then 56 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: having a mixtape before that that was also unplayed. So 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: now I'm like tour ring trying to figure out how 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: to play all this music I've never gotten to play before. 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: But overall, it's been like a super top tier, incredible 60 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: experience my favorite tour probably ever so far. So so, 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: how do you approach how do you approach a lot 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: tour like this battles over the set list, like talking 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: about that process of like how you hone in on 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: what a Killani show is going to look like? Right now? 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: It was It's okay, my own grandfather calls me Kilani. 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: At this point, we're just rocking. Um it was. It 67 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: was different. The tour show was a lot different than 68 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: what we performed originally. Um, what we were rehearsing was longer. 69 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: There was costume changes, there was set pieces, There was 70 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: all these things that once we played Like everybody kind 71 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: of knows that tours that kind of like the first 72 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: week of a tour feels like the trial run. Um, So, 73 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: like the first week is like what did we did 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: we do this wrong? Is this too long? Do I 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: have energy here? Where does the crowd loose energy? What 76 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: do I fix? So a lot ended up changing, you know, 77 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: throughout the tour, and I feel like we got a 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: real understanding and like grip on what the show actually 79 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: was by like halfway through. Um, But at first there 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: was like I just had too much music. I was like, 81 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: what do I play do I play you guys favor 82 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: like you have to consider like the fan favorites, but 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: also like that might also be all slow songs, you know, 84 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: Like then the show has to have energy, and then 85 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: I dance, and then there's things that like certain cities 86 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: have their favorites and this song went up here. There's 87 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: just like a lot of factors that you have to consider. 88 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: But um, overall, we narrowed it down to like really 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: solid show that kept energy throughout the entire time, and like, 90 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: didn't you know beat my ass? There there's a lot 91 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: of high energy, which is fun. And it's the first 92 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: time you had a creative team, right because you said 93 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: in the previous inime, you just focused on singing your 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: ass for the shows. But this was like as long 95 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: as I sound good, I don't give a fun you know. Um, 96 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: but this is the first time that I wanted to 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: make sure that I created a world for people to enter. Um, 98 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: the visuals, the costuming, the the choice of dancers, the 99 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: set list, the entire visuals have like a story that 100 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: it walks through based on the song choices as well 101 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: as like the big like kabuki curtain thing that we 102 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: have going on with the Shadows and the orchestra, like 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: it's all based on Disney's Fantasia, which is one of 104 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: my favorite movies ever. Um so it's kind of like 105 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: this trippy aspect. But I realized very quickly in the 106 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: first week of shows. I was like, really, what my 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: fans like for me is that it just feels like 108 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: a big, gass connection that we're having. So I kind 109 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: of shied at away from being like overly theatrical, and 110 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: I was like, let me just go out there and 111 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: actually funk with him, because that's what they funked with 112 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: about me. So that just became that very quickly. What 113 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: city surprised you the most? Like, well, it's lives, see 114 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: what y'all didn't surprise me? Though san Diego didn't surprise 115 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: I was like, I know this. She's gonna be turned. 116 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: I know that, So that didn't surprise me. Hawaii was 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: very quiet. It was also like it's Hawaii, like we're 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: all chilling. They just feel like everybody was chanting. Body 119 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: was like I'm having a good time. I was like, yeah, 120 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: I need to. He was relaxed. It was the end 121 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: of it, like I took a couple of shots, you 122 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: know what, I'm saying, um surprised me randomly, like Connecticut 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: and Indianapolis. It was loud as hell. I was like, 124 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: all right, y'all, I didn't know this what I was 125 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: working with it, but I like it here. But it 126 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: had to be meaningful to perform at the Oracle Arena 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: your hometown. I mean, it was insane. It was absolutely insane. 128 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, it's very because I thought I was 129 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: gonna make it a long time without crying, but I 130 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: bawled hysterically within the first time I had to open 131 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: my mouth to talk. Um. Not that I hate saying, 132 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: like I never thought I would play that place, because 133 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: that thought wasn't even my mind. It's just that it 134 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't even register to me that I could that that 135 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: would ever be an option. Like I never had huge 136 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: expectations for my career, and not in a self doubting 137 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of way, but just like I was like, this 138 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: is gonna do what it does, and I'm happy to 139 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: be here, and whatever happens, I'm stoked about, you know 140 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so every big thing that happens 141 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: is like such a surprise to me because I didn't 142 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: set out this like list of like I have to 143 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: do this for my career to be worth it. And 144 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: so now that all these really cool things are happening, 145 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, this is crazy, Like I have 146 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: no idea what's going on in here. But God bless 147 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: you brought your dough on the road too. I did 148 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: that was crazy. Family room. How's the accommodations for her? Oh, 149 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: it's just she's chill. She's just she's so chill. She 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: has with everyone. She's so social, like she loves all 151 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: my friends. She has a million aunties and uncles, like 152 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: everyone on the tour is like she walks into the 153 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: room and she's like, all right, bye, mom, I'm going 154 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: to play with so and so. And I'm like, I 155 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: don't know where she is. And someone's like, oh, she's 156 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: over there with Emily's over there with so and so. 157 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I understood. Like everybody's such a tight 158 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: knit family that like, she's just she's just around who 159 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: she considers family all day. So it's like not any 160 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: really different than being home. But you put it to 161 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: work too, because she made the album. She's my creative director. 162 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: But you were saying how you have amazing conversations with her, 163 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: like she'll ask you like a deep in suspective questions, 164 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: like she says. She asked me if I'm happy when 165 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: I sing. She asked me if I could tell her 166 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: about the universe. I have like a voice memo where 167 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: she's like, I want to talk about the universe, and 168 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, what Literally We're in Hawaii the other 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: day and she goes, Mommy, the sun has so many secrets. 170 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, but say it again about 171 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: to use that. I'm like, I'm about to give you 172 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: writing credits. Also, so that you you said you took 173 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: up surfing and got really into it, and then you 174 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: said before you want to you said I might start 175 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: putting surfboards on top of the tour bus. They were 176 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: they were in my tour bus. Like imagine, I'm sleeping 177 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: on the bed on my tour bus just praying my 178 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: surfboard doesn't come like decapitate me because it's like wedged 179 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: in between my bed and the door to like the 180 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: room on my bus. But yeah, surfing changed my life. Um, 181 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: I think having something that's completely unlike anything that you do, 182 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: because I know a lot of us artists have side 183 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: hobbies that are still some form of art, and I 184 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: think having something that I do that is not art 185 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: related that I can get good at without it having 186 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: to be competitive. I'm never going to become a competitive surfer. 187 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to go pro like I don't 188 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: have to worry about anything like that. I have something 189 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: to like get good at just for my own enjoyment. 190 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: And like nobody in the water gives a fun I 191 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: am or what I do. You're just like can you 192 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: catch away or get the funk out away? You know? So, Um, 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: it's nice to have that little world where like it 194 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: just doesn't matter, like this world doesn't matter at all. 195 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Does photography give you that kind of outlet as well? 196 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Photography even has that strange like competitive like you're artists, 197 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: who are you behind the camera type of thing? And 198 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: I experienced that in directing at times. I experienced that 199 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: in photography. Um, I do that for my own enjoyment. 200 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: But this is just like I can't compare even surfing 201 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: to anything in like the art space, because it's like 202 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: a sport. And even then it's not like a sport 203 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: that any of the competitors, like you go to a 204 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: like a surfing competition, everybody's good vibes, you know what 205 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they're just like, honestly, we're just all stoked 206 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: to be in the water anyway, So it's nice. That's awesome. 207 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: Also is nicest album man, Blue Water Road, no doubt 208 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: you know, um I read you know for your previous album, 209 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: you were hanging out a lot with the designer Kirby 210 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: from P M. Moss. Right, you said you would run 211 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: songs by him, right, So for Blue Boater row, was 212 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: anyone that you checked in with two you know, make 213 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: sure the songs are on point. Man. We made the 214 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: album in like like three weeks, three weeks or four weeks. 215 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: We had the songs in three weeks for sure, and 216 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: then we were like finalizing them and doing new versions 217 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: and like rerecording over the span of like maybe three 218 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: or four months after that. Um. But it was I 219 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: was locked in with one person and a couple of 220 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: my friends who right, And people would come in and 221 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: out to like add their things, but like we were 222 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: just kind of completely in our own world in a 223 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: little studio in Malibu, just like not thinking of anything else. 224 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: I was there every single day from the beginning of 225 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the day until nighttime, just like locked in having fun, 226 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: being honest talking to my friends. UM, so we were 227 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: just running it by each other. We create a little 228 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: universe that allowed us to create an album that felt 229 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: like it's own little universe as well. So that was nice. 230 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: What is that symbolism about the water to represent to you? Right, 231 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: because like you're from the bay really, which is more 232 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: like and blue water? And does that source of inspiration 233 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: for you? Yeah? It was funny. So I originally started 234 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: the album and it was really like a writing camp 235 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: for what was supposed to be the deluxe of It 236 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: was good until it wasn't, And I made all this 237 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: music and then I went through a really large ceremony 238 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: process in my spiritual practice, and I came back and 239 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: I just didn't relate to any of the just any 240 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: of the emotion of the last album, Like it was 241 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: good until it wasn't. Was very publicly in a chaotic 242 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: time of my life. Um, obviously the album is telling 243 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: all the stories and things like that, let's do it. Um. 244 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: So when I came back from you know, going through 245 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: a really hard cleansing and a reset, I was like, 246 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is anymore. I'm going to 247 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: put that away and whatever I need to make next 248 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: needs to honor you know, this new space and I'm 249 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: in and I was very inspired, and so we kept 250 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: like one or two songs from that writing camp that 251 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: still felt like I could you know, they made sense 252 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: to me because ultimately my music feels like for me, 253 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: it's like a journal. Um. You can literally go through 254 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: every single one of my albums and like know exactly 255 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: where I was at, who I was talking about, who 256 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: I was singing to, what was going on there. Name 257 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: might be in there, like it's for me. I'm glad 258 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: you guys enjoy, but it's for me. UM. So I 259 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: just really wanted to make sure that I captured exactly 260 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: where I was at with it. And so yeah, the 261 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: symbolism of the water is just important to me in 262 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: my religious space, UM. But also I think it's a 263 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: very relatable cleansing energy for pretty much everyone and every 264 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: religion and spiritual practice everywhere that one of the biggest 265 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, tools and components is water. One of the 266 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: biggest deities represented across the board is in water, whether 267 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: it's a river, whether it's an ocean, just a body 268 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: of water in general. Um. And just that's where I 269 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: was at with it, and I wanted to kind of 270 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: like embody or like capture this place in my mind 271 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: that I was, and I made it, so I wanted 272 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: to give it a location. And it also happened to 273 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: be the name of the street where we started the album. Um. 274 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: We had got this house. We put a bunch of 275 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: producers in it, in all these different rooms, and I 276 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: would just float around and just like make a song 277 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: and make a song. Um. And then the studio we 278 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: ended up renting to finish the album was down the 279 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: street from blue Water Road, and I made a joke 280 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: one day like this just sounds like blue Water Road, 281 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: and they were like, keep it, keep it, and then 282 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: like we couldn't. We didn't call anything else ever. It 283 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: just stuck after that, so I like when things happen organically. Absolutely, 284 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: like the previous project, it was good until it wasn't 285 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: released during COVID. Do you feel like that got the 286 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: proper attention that it deserved. It's crazy because that was 287 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: like my biggest album ever. Yeah, I think, Am I lying? 288 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Am I right? Yeah? Okay, like somebody 289 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: in here knows the stats, I don't say. Um, it 290 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: was my most successful album and it was during the 291 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: Thick of the pandemic Um. But that was also an 292 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: album where I feel like I learned just major independence 293 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: in my creative space. We finished the album, we couldn't 294 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: put it out at the time because you know, the 295 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: label wanted to support me. And I was like, man, 296 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take some matters into my own hands, 297 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: I think, and I'm gonna make my own music videos. 298 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: And I got drunk one night and made a video 299 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: in my bedroom and they started going up and everybody 300 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: was like, you could just do that again if you want, 301 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, we'll get me some equipment and 302 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: we could talk about it and you on YouTube and 303 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: learn how to work the programs. And so I did, 304 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: and we made all these projects and it did the 305 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: best that they've done, and it just it was a 306 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: huge lesson for me. And just like you can't wait 307 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: on anything. You see two pressure go button, you know, 308 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: So I just locked in with all the people around 309 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: me and pressed to go button. That's also because it 310 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: did so I didn't feel like I had so much 311 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: pressure with the next one because it came so fast. 312 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: This was, in my opinion, this was a super quick 313 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: back to back album type of SA and so I 314 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: just was like, whatever I make next, like I can 315 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: just have fun and do what I want to do. 316 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: But sometimes people challenge that. They're like to make like 317 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: a happier record of being a better space. Like you know, 318 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: there was always the A lot of people hated it. 319 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: A lot of people here, a lot of people were like, man, 320 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: we love when you're depressed, we love when you get 321 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: cheated on, well, when you go through drama, because the 322 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: music is going to be people when I get into 323 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: a happy relationship. Publicly, my comments be like, not break 324 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: her heart so she can make some fire ship, so 325 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: she could drop that ship on SoundCloud. Man, Loki, do 326 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: it you're like melt video. Yeah, enjoy it, um, but 327 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: liked Mary like to marry my life, and do you 328 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: want to marry my honest, like very honest, true to 329 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: exactly what they're going through, very publicly open, unafraid of 330 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: what they're going through stuff. Yeah, we love it, but 331 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: like also go to therapy and be okay and like 332 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: call your mom, you know, like be okay before that. 333 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: But like you know, it's art and that's what it is. Well, 334 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: you can make a record like my favorite off the 335 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: album that's your favorite good taste, Good taste. Though those 336 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: are some bars in there, those real to your point, 337 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: she was in those real questions that you confronted with 338 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: or lude. Absolutely, yeah, I think every single one of 339 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: those lines has been something I've heard at, something I've 340 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: been I've been doing this since i was thirteen years old, 341 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: so I've been hearing things for a long time. Um 342 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: my first mix safe job when I was nineteen and 343 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: twenty seven. You can imagine like the amount of ship 344 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: that has been said to me, how many Uber should 345 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: cut me a damn you. My business managers had to 346 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: sit me down and be like, you can't give your 347 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: Uber to your family members anymore. We're deleting it off 348 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: of your phone. I don't have Uber. No, I don't 349 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: have Postmates, I don't have cash App. Someone else has 350 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: it for me. And whenever I'd be like, hey, can 351 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: you send my auntie this because she needs someone else 352 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: has to do it because I'm irresponsible. But the other 353 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: interlude everything in Elude, that's kind of one of my 354 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: favorites because it sounds like a score from a movie. 355 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: Did you like attempt to put vocals on it at 356 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: any point? I didn't. It was actually just the string 357 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: arrangement from everything, and I think we kind of like 358 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: got that inspiration from Velvet Rope. I feel like she 359 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: had taken instrument parts and put them in other places 360 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: of the album and then continue them in other places. 361 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: And I really liked that. Um and my producers also 362 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: just a genius, and he wanted to showcase parts of 363 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: hisself also that people didn't know about him, like his 364 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: really insane score ability and his knowledge of like classical instruments, 365 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: and his knowledge of like just music that people didn't 366 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: expect him to make. Because we had done Sweet Sexy 367 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: Savage and he did a lot of it was good 368 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: until it wasn't. And he's done so much like really 369 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: hardcore big up and then like really like you know, 370 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: R and B, R and B, so like him getting 371 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: into this really cool like musical space. It was it 372 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: was cool to do him. So that was his idea. 373 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: That's dope. One of my favorite joints is because it 374 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: feels like there's a lot of hip hop influence to 375 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: on this project. So like wish I never sample Slick 376 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: rick Children's story. I've read that Pop presented you the track, 377 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: but you didn't like it initially. It wasn't because of 378 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: the track. It wasn't It wasn't because of the beat. 379 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: It was because I just I had had this idea 380 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: of how like pretty the album was going, and he 381 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: plays me this song and I'm like, this is kind 382 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: of turned and I just ultimately I didn't know where 383 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: it fits. But upon and also it was it was 384 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: challenging for me. I feel like I have a really 385 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: soft voice. Sometimes it's hard for me to get attitude 386 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: to come out of it. Like you don't know how 387 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: many times I have to get myself to record. I 388 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: could be in there thinking I'm meaning everything I'm saying 389 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: and it's still like and I'm like, oh shit. I 390 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: was in there like cutting somebody out, say I love that. 391 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: When you get into that back, I need to do 392 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more huh okay already. But it felt 393 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: organic to It felt like it felt like it was 394 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: on you in your hip hop bag. Yeah, I mean 395 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was fun getting to like, you know, 396 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: make nods two things I've gone through that people know 397 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: and they could point it out like I've been there, 398 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I know what this is about. And also just like 399 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: have a little fun. I knew I would have fun 400 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: dancing to it and like regardless of how like in 401 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: a great peaceful space coming I always have like the 402 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: slick talk like that only where I'm from Oakland. It 403 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: was I thought you said ten minutes I like the 404 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: Russian US. Yeah, that's a fun one. Absolutely, And even 405 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: EPM d sample up at night with Justin Bieber samples 406 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: what you're saying. I love that joint as well. Like 407 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: what was he in the video he was busy on 408 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: a big tour. You are a big tour too, though 409 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: I've comparing you to just what an honor he's doing, 410 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: like arena stadium things I did one but thank you, 411 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: but let's talk about Let's talk about the other amazing 412 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: collaborations you would sid you and Jesse Ray it's back 413 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: to back when I don't see can say like they're 414 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: just my actual friends who I think are amazing. And 415 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm reaally big on like working with people that I 416 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: actually love in real life. And I think that those 417 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: are two women that I've been so fortunate to like 418 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: have had opened up to me and like support me. 419 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: Said I've been a fan of since I was in 420 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: high school. Like I literally told I had to tell 421 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: said when I first met her like I stood outside 422 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: the wharfield in San Francisco when I was in high 423 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: school and stayed after waited by the odd future tour 424 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: bus to me you. And then when she came out, 425 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't even talk because I was just like like, yes, 426 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: that was a little gay, but now we're friends like 427 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: that anymore. I'm over it, um And then Jesse is 428 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: just like the sweetest human being on the planet. Like 429 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: what you see publicly, it is like exactly what you get, 430 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: Like she is that sweet, that passionate, that courageous, that joyful, 431 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: like she's just a pleasure of a person. And it's 432 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: super just rare to meet people who haven't been tainted 433 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: by like all that they've been through in this industry 434 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: or like all that they've had to fight through, all 435 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: that they've had to work for. And she's just like 436 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: still just as stoked to be here as she was 437 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: in the beginning. And I'm just like, please keep that 438 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: energy forever, because it's easy to let it go away. 439 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, with that song, it's almost hard to know 440 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: who's who because it sounds like you guys are blended 441 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: together or more than you were, like playing with each 442 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: other that's why there's funny where we were like just 443 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: cracking jokes off. Oh whoa pause, sister vibes major league 444 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: that is a straight um, that's thank you. But yeah, 445 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: just it's like the energy. Yeah, like when the record 446 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: just sounds like you guys, just what she was singing about. 447 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: She was singing about a boy, and I was like, 448 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take some of these and flip the 449 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: words and I'm just gonna sing about a girl. I'm 450 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: just gonna go back and forth and I'm just gonna 451 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: let them be confused bisexual anthem. I guess not me, 452 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: You'll be safer. And this allowed you to write with 453 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: writing with perspective of being in love with a woman. 454 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: That made you able to write deeper songs, deeper love songs. 455 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: She was falling in love deeper and ship, so the 456 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: song started being able to be more real. I was like, oh, 457 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: this is what this is what I was fake talking 458 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: about all those years. But it is it difficult to 459 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: revisit songs that might be inspired by someone like a 460 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: milt Um No, really, it just takes some time. I mean, 461 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm a human problem twenty seven, Like I know what 462 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm already five, I'm gonna be looking back, like remember 463 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: when I stopped performing that song. But I think overall, 464 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: it's like you make the choice as an artist when 465 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: you decide to be honest um and bear your personal 466 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: life or singing about your personal life. But as a 467 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: person that does both, I'm always conscious of just being like, 468 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: if I decided to open my life up in this way, 469 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: I can still always protect myself as much as I 470 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: want to. Just at the same time, I don't really 471 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: owe anybody, you know. If I if this song hurts 472 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: my feelings, I don't want to sing it. I'm not 473 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: singing it. If this song, if I want to switch 474 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: the words up to express how I really feel in 475 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: that moment, I'm gonna switched the words up, you know 476 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. But this I'm just I commit to 477 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: being myself, um, through and through. So so even with 478 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: the video, it's like no regret, like you were happy 479 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: in the moment when you made it. Yeah, And there's 480 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: no love lost either. There's no there's no hurt feelings, 481 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: there's no anger, there's no you know, it's all love. 482 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: It it's just conflict of interest in scheduling, and it 483 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: is what it is. I the video. The video was great. 484 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: I directed it, so I'm proud of it. You know 485 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: so your videos to Yeah, I edited that ship in 486 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: my kitchen, like you told me for a loot with 487 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: anything because it's such a sweet song and hear you 488 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: out and all black in the hood. Well, I like 489 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: the I love a juxtaposition, and I also came up 490 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: with that as a joke. I was in the studio 491 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, this would be crazy if I 492 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: shot this ballad video like a gagster rap video. I 493 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: didn't throw this random thing in each shot where it 494 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: feels like this doesn't make any sense, like a ballerina 495 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: at the kickback in the parking lot. We're like, we 496 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: all looked like we're watching a game, but we're like 497 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: watching another music video of mine, you know, ship like that, 498 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: And I just they were like, that actually sounds fired. 499 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: How do I support you in doing that? And I 500 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: got I got with my friends at my friend who's 501 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: like a more experienced director than me, and like paired 502 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: up ideas and we shot it together and it was 503 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: my favorite one off the projects I talk about any 504 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: giving Sunday. It's like you took a page out of 505 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: tea page book, Have you ever fallen in love with 506 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: a stripper? Fallen in love? I think I thought I 507 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: was in love a lot of times, and I'm learning 508 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: that I wasn't um falling in love. I definitely dated 509 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: a tripper. We all have. Yeah, she was a great time. 510 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: She was so much funny. But there's so much drama 511 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: that happens at the strip club that I just like, 512 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: was not privy to until I dated her, and I 513 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you got a lot going on. It's 514 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: always something like girl this, somebody try to stab me 515 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: and then this happened, and this happened. I was like, 516 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm twenty one. I can't come get you right now 517 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: at three in the morning from this strip club. I 518 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: don't have a license, Like, I can't support you properly. 519 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: So shout out to her. We're friends. She's a good time. 520 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: What inspired that song? It's it's a fun vibe to it. 521 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: Though um Fable wrote that song. I added my little 522 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: twist to it. But shout out of Fable. He's fucking incredible, 523 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: super amazing artists. He's on tour right now. Maybe he 524 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: just finished this tour, going another one. If he's finished, yep, 525 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: thank you, But that's my brother for real. And he 526 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: played me this song and I was like, how crazy 527 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: would it be if I, as a woman, had a 528 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: strip club anthem? What did you say? You said? Get 529 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: the line because you were talking that Ship the baddest 530 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: bits that's in the mirror wants to love somebody's daughter, right, Yeah, Yeah, 531 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: it's true I do. But I feel like that's the 532 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: same by hip hop. You have those moments when you 533 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: do that and like you almost do a bar too. 534 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: It's time you're gonna do a full out rap, and 535 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: then you kind of pull back. Yeah. I like playing 536 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: a little in between. That's why the whole R and 537 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: B conversation is so funny. Yeah, like, I just be 538 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: doing whatever I want. I'm glad you guys put it 539 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: in a category, but I just do whatever I want. 540 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: It sounds cool, it sounds a good little story. Did 541 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: the muse behind a little story here? That song? I 542 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: sent it to her first. I'm respectful sometimes now if 543 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm dropping it on SoundCloud and mix on master, you're 544 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: not hearing Ship. What was the response? Um, she loved it. 545 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: I mean I was reminiscing. I wasn't like in the 546 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: thick of the little story feelings. When I wrote Little Story, 547 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: I just had had I had passed those feelings, so 548 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: I sent it like, look, just so you know, like 549 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't want you to be trying to puzzle pieces 550 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: together when it comes out. This is about you. I'm 551 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: not opening a door. I'm simply sending this to you 552 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: because you have also done the courtiest thing of sending 553 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: me things before they come out and are about me. 554 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: So you know that's that's just what it was. I 555 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: saw that you said, Melt feels different than how you 556 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: made it? Right? Are there any other songs that give 557 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: that same feeling? M m hmmm. I don't even remember 558 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: what's on the album you the track? Yeah, I'm like, 559 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: I don't even remember anything, to be honest, how long 560 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: ago was that? Uh? Not too long ago. I'm ready 561 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: to make another one. That's why are you are you 562 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: working on? I have not started. I've been on tour, 563 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: and you just say, like, mentally, you're like two albums 564 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: from now always I'm always as soon as I drop it, 565 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm already like, man, the next one is going to 566 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: be m not three. I'm taking my sweet ass time 567 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: with the next one. I'll tell you that. Um. But 568 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: I really I just want to figure out where what 569 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: I want to do. You know, I think I just 570 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: made this one based off a feeling. And now I'm 571 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: in like such a like dedicated to me and like 572 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: my solo time and like my focus and my growth 573 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: and my development and just really being in my own 574 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: just me and my business, me in my world that 575 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: I need to take my time and like figure out 576 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: what I want anything to even sound like, let alone 577 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. You haven't been flirting 578 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: with the idea off you were Rusk in the studio 579 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: putting a collapal album out. I love for us. I 580 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: think everything he's done is so freakishly amazing. I think 581 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: that it's like not it's not unheard of, but it's 582 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: just a stimant to what you can do when you 583 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: just go hard for yourself. And he gave me a 584 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: lot of advice, even though I like came out before him, 585 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: which I remember was such a cool conversation where he 586 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: was like I came out this time, he came at 587 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: this time, and then we kept doing this and now 588 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm here and you're doing this and it's like we're 589 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: like twins for real or something like that, and I 590 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: was like, man, you're doing your way crazier than me. 591 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: This is insane. And I almost like didn't really even 592 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: recognize how crazy what he was doing was until like 593 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: it was unimaginable. And he's still so humble, Like he 594 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: has his moments where he's like, I'm gonna tell y'all 595 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: what the fun is going on? And what I do 596 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: you sleep? But his willingness to always pick up other 597 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: artists and like give people vice, and like he just 598 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: extends himself so much and it's super appreciated album. We're 599 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: gonna do a bunch of me. We're just never in 600 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: the same place at the same time. We got really 601 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: drunk in Vegas that one time, and that's how that 602 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: man came about and talking about I was like, Yeah, 603 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a cool album next morning. I was 604 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: like the tequila tequil. But you seem very selective. I'm 605 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: sure you get hip hop artists reach all the time, 606 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: probably trying to do something, but you're super selective, Like 607 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, you said a high standard. You and Cardi 608 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: B with Rain this classic album Invasion of Privacy, Like 609 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: how did that song come together? Um? They just played 610 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: it for me and they were like, Cardi b want 611 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: you on this, and I was like, just a stand 612 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: of Cardi on Instagram. I was like, this bitch is hilarious. 613 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: I just love funny people who are like super themselves, 614 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: and it was just refreshing to see this girl that 615 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: could have been like my cousin just being herself on 616 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: the internet and like people were like obsessed with her. 617 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: And she was like, I don't gonna funk, I'm still me, 618 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, of course, I think she had 619 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: even like I think maybe Bodak Yellow had just came 620 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: out by the time I got the song, and I 621 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, they should be about to go up, 622 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: but beyond it going up, Like I just funk with 623 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: her as a person. So I was super down and 624 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: then it did what it did and I was honored. 625 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: So and some of your favorite people aren't not necessarily celebrities, 626 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: like neighbor dot, Oh my god, Dot Dot, Oh my god, 627 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: this hilarious. I can't wait to play her this. I 628 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: haven't been going lately, so I'm acting a little fake 629 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: right now because I haven't been home. I've been on 630 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: tour um. But my neighbor Dot is this older woman 631 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: I was about to say grown asshole movie. She's she's 632 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: she's a granny. I love dot yes, and she does 633 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday night dinners at her house from my whole little neighborhood. 634 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: And my first day moving there, like my other neighbor 635 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: walks past me with a castle roll and she's like 636 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: high new neighbor, and I'm like, what the fund I've 637 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: only seen this in movies. Dead ass. I was like, 638 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: y'all gonna kill me for sure, and she's like, I 639 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: love your house. I wanted to buy that one, but 640 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: I got this one. I was like, okay, cute. She 641 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: was like, come to Wednesday night dinner. We do what 642 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: everyone's I get there, I'm like the only young person 643 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 1: in there. Everybody's mad old and like talking about like 644 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: how they all were the liberal back in the day, 645 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: and like they know I'm from the base, so like 646 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: they want to talk about like politics and being radical 647 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: and all type of shi And I was like, Wow, 648 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: I'll be here every Wednesday, so that's not shout out. 649 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: She's not here tonight, right, No, she's probably really mad 650 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: at me. I have missed a lot of Wednesdays. Not beef. 651 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, speaking of the speaking of the bay, I 652 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: married a woman from Oakland. Come on, rue, should from Oakland? 653 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: You guys. The pride you guys have being from Oakland 654 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: is another level. We're from Queens' very proud about that. 655 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: But you guys, but you guys take it to another level. 656 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, Oakland is you know, the pride level, the creativity, 657 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: Like what is so special about that place? What is 658 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: not special about y'all? See the people it breeds? First 659 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: of all is in day uh me Larry June. We 660 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: got rappers out the Ask that if in cultural like 661 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: huge cultural changes, we have political history out the Ask. 662 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: We have such a like different environment to where when 663 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: I started growing up and touring and traveling, like, I 664 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: didn't even know that everywhere in the world wasn't like Oakland. 665 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't know everybody wasn't like liberal and queer and 666 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: looks different and covered in tattoos and covered in everybody's 667 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: just that's normal to me. I grew up going to Pride. 668 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: I grew up with all my aunties and uncles looking 669 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: like they could be someone else's aunties and uncles and 670 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: fucking covered into like everybody was just different and having 671 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: different views and different outlooks on life and being super 672 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: like accepting and socially aware. It was just normal to 673 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: me and I didn't I didn't know that that wasn't 674 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: the case until I, you know, started traveling. Um, but 675 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: that's special. We have such a melting pot of culture, 676 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: whether it's like actual differences in culture itself and also 677 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: like different class cultures and different musical cultures and different 678 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: historical cultures, and it's just it's just an hon or, 679 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because you just don't. I mean, 680 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: I could say the same for New York. You know 681 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You don't realize that until you grow 682 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: up and leave and you come back and you're like, oh, shoot, 683 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: I'm lucky as hell. I mean, I was exposed to 684 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: all of it from the jump, and it was completely 685 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: nothing registered that it was different. And you think that's 686 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: where your strength and resilience comes from, because, like you said, 687 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: you've been as since she was a teenager, like you 688 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: be seen this been as e people up. But you 689 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: can tinue to evolve and get stronger. I mean, I 690 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: think just watching all the women in my family who 691 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: are also Bay Area born and raised struggle through what 692 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: they struggled through and make it do what they've made 693 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: it through and face everything that they faced. I just 694 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I had a choice to ever quit 695 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean. Um, I've had 696 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: my moments for sure why I felt and I was 697 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: like I'm done and I quit. But I didn't. I didn't. 698 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: I didn't ever settle on that idea, just like you know, 699 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: it's not going to ever get better, I guess. So, yeah, 700 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: I don't know it's in me. Definitely sound this right 701 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: town to town. You also got a lot of other 702 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: inspirations in you two. I read that you know, vocally 703 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: always listening to Brandy one and the only Brandy high it. 704 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: As a writer, you always listening to nd Irre and Drake. 705 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: So what about those artists that you draw inspiration from? 706 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: Beyond that, I feel like all my inspirations are even 707 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: a lot older. Um, I think I've just had moments 708 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: in interviews like I was asking, like those specific quotes, Um, 709 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: as far as Brandy goes, I think to be a 710 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: singer in two thousand two, I mean, I've been in 711 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: it for the way longer than that. But to be 712 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: in my generation of music and not quote Brandy is 713 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: who you look too, vocally is like come on harmonies 714 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: runs when it came to that shift that happened of 715 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: like cool R and B. Like I feel like Brandy 716 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: was this like not to say slept on, but I 717 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: feel like it's not slept on. It feels weird to 718 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: say that. It's almost niche to reference Brandy as your favorite. 719 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 1: What shouldn't be the case, you know what I mean, 720 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: Like she shouldn't be the niche. She shouldn't be the 721 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: It's like we're talking about one of the most innovative, 722 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: like vocalists of all time, like just freaky, mind blowing 723 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: like any genre she tried she could sing and do 724 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: because her voice is like a freaky machine. Like So 725 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: I said that to say, Brandy Hive, do you feel 726 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: like there's still enough there's still pressure to have that 727 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: sex simil growth in your career in R and B pressure. No, 728 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: I just sometimes feel sexy here and sometimes I don't. 729 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: So like all of my moments where I've gone sexy 730 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: wasn't strategic. It was just like I felt sexy right now, 731 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes I feel like a little teenage boy. So 732 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: just deal with it. When I come in here with 733 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: my hoodie pulled up in my pen fifty times too 734 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: big for me, and I'm sitting like this, That's just 735 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: where I'm at with it. Um Do I feel like 736 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: that's the case in general? Sometimes I feel like sometimes 737 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: there is a pressure for films and music to have 738 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: to appeal in that way. And I noticed a lot 739 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: of shift when I came out, um of just like 740 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: I knew what was gonna happen, you know what I mean, 741 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: Like I told everyone around me, I was like, look, now, 742 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: if I lose the male gaze, I don't give a 743 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: fuck that's what that's what if that's what you guys 744 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: are gonna beg me not to do. If you guys 745 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: don't want me to be myself because I'm gonna lose 746 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: a part of my audience because they're listening to me 747 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: singing about dick and things like that. You know, then, 748 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: like that's what it is. Um. But I knew that 749 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: it was going to be a different route, And um, 750 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful for those who kept rocking with me 751 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: when you know, I was singing about being really really 752 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: sprung and being in love and like not being old 753 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: sexual and not being singing about men. Um. But across 754 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: the board, I think that there is you know, a 755 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: pressure to do so. But that's just the world that 756 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: we live in. That's movies, that's TVs, it's everything. Every 757 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: sex is part of all of it. And it's not 758 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: a bad thing either. I don't hate it, you know 759 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm a sexual person, I'm a sexual being, 760 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: and I appreciate all the sexy bitches that makes sexy music, 761 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: so do you, girl. You know, I just don't like 762 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: it when the persons applied to someone who that isn't 763 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: natural for them. And I'm like, I don't feel like 764 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: you want to do this, so don't do it if 765 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: you don't. You know, if you don't like, you don't 766 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: have to. You could hear the diversity in your music 767 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: because you have collaborations this year with baby Face and 768 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: Burner Boy, you know what I mean. It's not just 769 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: relegated to that particular sound. Yeah, it's been sweet. I 770 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: was so shocked baby Face wanted to make like a 771 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: gay song with me. Not shocked at him because I 772 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: didn't assume he was anti anything, you know what I mean. 773 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: I was just like, damn, it's like an old school 774 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: dude who wants to like, let me do my very 775 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: new school me on like his ship he wanted. He 776 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: was like, I like when you get rappy. I was like, 777 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: oh shop, he was like, yeah, he's he's His studio 778 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 1: process is so amazing. Like he stopped the music and 779 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: he's like, so when you said, he's like when she 780 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: when you said she was getting too drunk, do you 781 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: feel like that was embarrassing or was the emotion you 782 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: were feeling more like? And I was like, yeah, I 783 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: was really embarrassing. It was like it was like he 784 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: was talking me through my songwriting. It was great and 785 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: love it. You know, before we got out here, I 786 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: read that you've accomplished a lot, you know, from the 787 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: tour and everything else you've done in life. Is anything 788 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: left on the bucket list. There's like unexpected things on 789 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: the bucket list, like I want to spend a year 790 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: in another country. I want to learn a language. I 791 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: want to direct a film. I want to act more. 792 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: I just did it for the first time and I'm um, 793 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: I want to have more kids. I think at this 794 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: point my bucket list is very uh, life based, because 795 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't really set expectations in my music. Like I said, 796 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: that's why everything that happens. I'm so excited about because 797 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: I genuinely didn't expect it and I don't really know 798 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: if that's like anti manifesting or like I'm doing a 799 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: really cool thing and I'm surprising myself, but like, we'll 800 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: see how that turns out for me. But yeah, I 801 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 1: just I just want to keep being a better version 802 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: of who I am as a person and let the 803 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: art kind of follow that and not hyper focus on 804 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: like art art art art art all the time, because 805 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: I feel like that can just make you so crazy 806 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: and all of this ship is a game anyways, and 807 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: I just work really hard to like stay out of 808 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: the matrix. And I hate calling it that because that 809 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: sounds so hype and head as, but to just stay 810 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: out of everything that I know isn't real, because they 811 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: can really. I mean, I have so many people that 812 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: I know that like our everyday normal conversations have become 813 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: about just like man, I'm just not number one on 814 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: the hot blah blah blah, Like they're not fucking with 815 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: me and they're not understanding that I'm the hottest that 816 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, who cares, I didn't win a grant? 817 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: Who care? What does that even mean? I mean, it's beautiful, 818 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: and it's I'm not like if I was ever to 819 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: when that happens. If it happens, you know, great, But 820 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: to let that be the sole reason why you do 821 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: what you do when really what matters is that person 822 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: that walks up to at the grocery store and it's like, yo, 823 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: you say, my life, that's what matters. So as long 824 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: as I always have that connection with people and they 825 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: give me that, and I'm doing what I need to do. 826 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: So and with the L word, how excited are you 827 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: with that? Man, I'm nervous. I got anxiety about that ship. 828 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: It's um nothing like who I am in real life 829 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: kind of And it was just for that to be 830 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: my first role and it had to take me so 831 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: far to my comfort zone was just it was a 832 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: cool challenge. It was a fun challenge and everybody on 833 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: set was so cool and everybody a part of the 834 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: show was so cool, and I was a huge fan. 835 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't really get star struck by a lot of musicians, 836 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: so I get star struck by actors. And I was 837 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: like on set and I was like, bitch, that's Tina. 838 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: I was like, I hate you on the show for real. 839 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't want you all to be together, but I 840 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: love you. So I was geeked up and they just 841 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: let me be geeked up, and like you know, they 842 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: were like talking to me about spoilers and explaining everything, 843 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: and I was running through all my millions of theories 844 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 1: and what zodiac signs I thought their characters were ship 845 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: So it was cool. So it's gonna be a reoccurring rule, 846 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: or is it. I'm on a few episodes. Yeah, yeah, 847 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: that's why they put me on the posters and you 848 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: want to rapp rate Up podcast. I hope you enjoyed this. 849 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: It's been so fun. Thank you for having me absolutely 850 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: anytime success. Yeah, Yo, where's Elliott? Oh looks like I'm 851 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: about myself. Yo's b Dot. Hope you enjoyed listening to 852 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: the Kaline episode. That was really fun doing it live 853 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: in front of all of her fans. Hope you got 854 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: a good listen out of that. Because we're taking a 855 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: week off and we'll be back with Berner on the 856 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: rap right Off podcast. Happy Holidays. 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