Speaker 1: Welcome into Road to the Draft, presented by Raymond James,
Speaker 1: Casey Phillips. Here was senior writer and editor Scott Smith.
Speaker 1: And we have made it. It is our last road
Speaker 1: to the draft, the last stop on the road, the
Speaker 1: last exit. This is it. Yes, we are officially here
Speaker 1: because the Draft is next week and so this is
Speaker 1: our final one of these. And we've talked about a
Speaker 1: lot of different positions. We've talked about a lot of
Speaker 1: different strategies and players and all of that. But one
Speaker 1: thing we have not talked as much about that I
Speaker 1: think in particular in the last week has gotten a
Speaker 1: little bit more steam or attention maybe is the discussion
Speaker 1: of whether or not we think the Bucks will trade
Speaker 1: up or back in that first round. So let's just
Speaker 1: talk about that as a concept at large, of the
Speaker 1: likelihood of trades happening, what it would take to make
Speaker 1: a trade happen in that first round. Yeah, we thought
Speaker 1: if we just did a straight who were gonna pick
Speaker 1: at twenty seven, I'd probably say some name I've already said,
Speaker 1: like other why right? But there are a lot more
Speaker 1: possibilities because there are the possibilities of both trades up
Speaker 1: and trade down, and even in the first round, and
Speaker 1: Jason light Is actually traded his first round pick either
Speaker 1: up or down three times in his eight years at
Speaker 1: the helm uh There was the two thousand sixteen traded
Speaker 1: down a couple of spots before taking Vernon Hargraves, two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen traded down five spots before taking Vitavea, and then,
Speaker 1: as we talked about in our other show earlier today,
Speaker 1: um in two thousand trade up one spot just make
Speaker 1: sure it just and worst didn't get away. The really
Speaker 1: the big trade they're worth mentioning is the two thousand
Speaker 1: eighteen one because the Buccaneers wanted Vita. Jason talked about
Speaker 1: how when they made the trade, then there was like
Speaker 1: you could hear a pin drop in the room for
Speaker 1: the next four picks because they were scaredy would get taken.
Speaker 1: And then everybody erupted when they still got Vitea, but
Speaker 1: still got the player they were targeting and picked up
Speaker 1: two second round picks, and one of those, after another
Speaker 1: little trade down, became Carlton Davis. So those things can
Speaker 1: really multiply your draft assets assets and and allow you
Speaker 1: to come out of the draft with a lot more
Speaker 1: or in the case of a trade up, you use
Speaker 1: some of your assets to make sure you get a
Speaker 1: player you really covered. So let's talk about that one
Speaker 1: first in particular. So trading up, how likely do you
Speaker 1: think that is and what would be the goal or reason?
Speaker 1: Maybe or there's certain players you think they might be
Speaker 1: wanting to target with something like yeah, Jason has made
Speaker 1: some other trades in like the second or third round,
Speaker 1: and they've usually been up to make sure that the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers get a certain player like Ali Marpett is a
Speaker 1: good example. Um to you know a guy's getting close
Speaker 1: to you. That's basically what it is. If you have
Speaker 1: a guy you think is a guy or two that's
Speaker 1: had a certain tier that you don't think is going
Speaker 1: to make it to where you are. If you see
Speaker 1: them starting to slide a little bit like Levante David
Speaker 1: did in two thousand and twelve, at some point it's
Speaker 1: worth it to you to use one of your other
Speaker 1: draft assets to make sure you can jump up and
Speaker 1: get that guy. So I came up with a scenario
Speaker 1: of I think it's realistic. Now predicting any particular trade,
Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna hit on it right As long
Speaker 1: as it's realistic, though, I think it's worth discussing. And
Speaker 1: what I looked at is pick number twenty, where the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers are a lot of trades in the first
Speaker 1: round are driven by teams that are targeting quarterbacks. Steals
Speaker 1: are a team that many people think will take a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But the top two guys on most people's board, Malik
Speaker 1: Willis and um can you Pikett couldn't easily be off
Speaker 1: the board by pick number twenty, And then they might
Speaker 1: be looking at a guy like Cincinnai's Desmond Ritter. But
Speaker 1: they also can look at every every team between twenty
Speaker 1: and twenty seven and say, and then those teams are
Speaker 1: gonna take a quarterback, we can trade back, get some
Speaker 1: more assets, and still get our guy. You know, there's
Speaker 1: always the danger of something trading up between there, but
Speaker 1: I think they can take the risk if they like to,
Speaker 1: say maybe two guys Desmond Ritter and Matt Correlle, so
Speaker 1: the Buckaneers have found a trade partner, and maybe a
Speaker 1: guy like Devonte Wyatt they're afraid isn't gonna make it,
Speaker 1: or maybe they can get all the way up and
Speaker 1: get Jordan Davis, the other Georgia defensive lineman. Both of
Speaker 1: those guys are very highly rated. They come into position
Speaker 1: that I think the Buccaneers could use help at and
Speaker 1: uh and they may not make it to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: And if the Buckaneers think there's a big gap between
Speaker 1: those two guys and the next dts on the list,
Speaker 1: and it's probably worth the risk or an edge rusher.
Speaker 1: A lot of those EDG dressers are gonna go early.
Speaker 1: But say a gal like Jermaine Johnson, which has kind
Speaker 1: of been all over the board Florida States, Jermaine Johnson
Speaker 1: and edge rusher, He's been getting a lot of good
Speaker 1: love lately and he's been up some boards. But if
Speaker 1: he's sitting there at fifteen sixty, he hasn't been taken yet.
Speaker 1: The Buckneers may start working on trying to come up
Speaker 1: with a trade to get a guy like that right okay,
Speaker 1: And then now finally of trade down, an area which
Speaker 1: I think sometimes can be less exciting than a trade up,
Speaker 1: but can bey maybe even more beneficial, depend on what
Speaker 1: you get out of it. And so what do you
Speaker 1: think it would take for the Bucks to do that?
Speaker 1: What would be their motivation much less another team's motivation,
Speaker 1: and being the trade part, well, they're the Buccaneers motivation
Speaker 1: for trading down would be that they have a player
Speaker 1: that they want to take, but they don't think necessarily
Speaker 1: that they need to use a first round pick on them.
Speaker 1: That they can move back, gain some other assets and
Speaker 1: uh and still get that guy. And uh, that's what
Speaker 1: I think here. Now. I forgot to mention in the
Speaker 1: last one a trade of twenty seven up to twenty
Speaker 1: that happened exactly in two thousand and fourteen, and the
Speaker 1: Saints traded up that exact trade and they had to
Speaker 1: pay a They had to pay a third round pick
Speaker 1: to do it. So that's what it would cost the Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: This scenario, the Buccaneers have a chance to pick up
Speaker 1: a third round and that could be very valuable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they've done well in the third round. And so
Speaker 1: if you have several third round picks, you have a
Speaker 1: better chance of hitting on a guy that can help
Speaker 1: you right away. Uh. In this case, we're still driven
Speaker 1: by quarterbacks. And what I looked at was a four
Speaker 1: pick span from picks forty two forty three the first
Speaker 1: two or Seattle and then Atlanta, Indiana, Indianapolis, all three
Speaker 1: of those teams that they don't take a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the first round. Are teams that easily could be considering
Speaker 1: moving up to take a quarterback late in the first round.
Speaker 1: And the reason the teams like to do that is
Speaker 1: if you take a player in the first round, especially
Speaker 1: a quarterback, that player has that optional fifth team option
Speaker 1: fifth year on the contract, which is very valuable. And
Speaker 1: that started with the new CBA in two thousand and thirteen,
Speaker 1: and since then it's happened twice. The Vikings moved up
Speaker 1: eight spots to thirty two to get Teddy Bridgewater and
Speaker 1: the Ravens moved up twenty spots to thirty two to
Speaker 1: get Lamar Jackson. The trade up that was eight spots
Speaker 1: cost a fourth and the trade up those twenty spots
Speaker 1: cost a second. So we're kind of right in the
Speaker 1: middle there. So I think you get estimated cost the
Speaker 1: Bucks a third. I mean the Bucks gain a third
Speaker 1: if they trade with Atlanta, Indianapolis or Seattle and go
Speaker 1: down to about three. And if they do that, then
Speaker 1: they could possibly target a guy that they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: to take in the first round, like Kenneth Walker, the
Speaker 1: running back from Michigan State. He could be the first
Speaker 1: running back off the board. Actually were Breece hall Obiowa State,
Speaker 1: they could they could talk to take the first tight end,
Speaker 1: Trade McBride out of Colorado State. I think it's a position,
Speaker 1: a position you could say, is a position of need
Speaker 1: for the Buccaneers. And another guy that the Bucks have
Speaker 1: looked at brought in for a visit is a Houston
Speaker 1: UH defensive lineman, edge edge rusher, Logan hall Um. So
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of options there. And if
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers at twenty seven and feel like they've got
Speaker 1: three or four guys they like and at these positions
Speaker 1: and they can move back and probably get one of them,
Speaker 1: they can pick up an extra third round pick. Well, man,
Speaker 1: these are the discussions that make you remember how exciting
Speaker 1: the draft is, how why everybody loves it just like us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if I went kind of faster, all the synarbias,
Speaker 1: but if you wanted to read more about them, I
Speaker 1: put them in my mail back today dot com to you.
Speaker 1: That's where I got this idea for this, and you
Speaker 1: can you can go back and review exactly what I
Speaker 1: was talking about. Okay, perfect well, that is going to
Speaker 1: do it for us on our final road to the
Speaker 1: draft for this year. Make sure you are staying tuned
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Speaker 1: enjoy the draft. Welcome into Buccaneers Insider Live, presented by Miller.
Speaker 1: Like Casey Phillips, youre with senior writer and editor Scott Smith,
Speaker 1: and it is finally here. We are one day away
Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft, our final one of these before
Speaker 1: but we are going to be doing a live show
Speaker 1: for forty five minutes leading up to the draft tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: It's going to be showing in Raymond James Stadium if
Speaker 1: you're at the draft party. It's also gonna be streamed
Speaker 1: on all of our Buccaneers platforms, so make sure you
Speaker 1: checked out at as well. So this is our last
Speaker 1: one before we get into all the nitty gritty tomorrow nights.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kind of look at things from a little
Speaker 1: bit higher level today, big picture stuff. So first just
Speaker 1: to give everyone as the draft approaches of wait, when
Speaker 1: are the Bucks picking again? When is that going to happen?
Speaker 1: How many picks do we have? We figured we might
Speaker 1: want to. We've gotten so into the individual guys and
Speaker 1: knew they might draft. We thought that might be a
Speaker 1: good place to start. Yes, So so give give the
Speaker 1: people to how to watch. Well. It starts on Thursday
Speaker 1: night and the draft itself begins at eight, although generally
Speaker 1: it's about like eight minutes before they actually put the
Speaker 1: first team on the clock, and then that team will
Speaker 1: probably milk all this ten minutes, so you might not
Speaker 1: see a first pick TOI like eight fifteen or something.
Speaker 1: But the Buccaneers pick twenty seven in the first round.
Speaker 1: You can't know exactly when it's going to be, but
Speaker 1: the NFL estimates that will be around eleven o seven
Speaker 1: if it goes to normal speed. Uh. The next day
Speaker 1: is Friday night, and that's rounds two and three, and
Speaker 1: the it starts at seven pm. All these are Eastern times,
Speaker 1: and you have seven minutes on the clock for those.
Speaker 1: The Bucks have one pick in the second round as
Speaker 1: you see there at sixty, and one pick in the
Speaker 1: third at one, which are obviously close to the end
Speaker 1: of the round in both case cases, and you can
Speaker 1: see their estimated times there for when those might happen.
Speaker 1: And everything wraps up on a kind of a strange
Speaker 1: day for the Buccaneers on Thursday, because they have a
Speaker 1: pick in round four, which you can see there's one
Speaker 1: thirty three and then nothing else until around seven. And
Speaker 1: it's close to the end of round seven, so you
Speaker 1: can see there's one fifteen picks between the first and
Speaker 1: second and by the estimated times, maybe five hours between picks.
Speaker 1: So Jason Lytton company are going to have a lot
Speaker 1: of time to just hang out in the draft room.
Speaker 1: Unless they make some trains, you never know. And so
Speaker 1: now also speak of that, let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what we think they might do. And we know
Speaker 1: we've talked so much about mock drafts and what we
Speaker 1: think is going to happen, and we've done a lot
Speaker 1: of road to the drafts talking about that as well.
Speaker 1: So now we're finally here in the last day, which
Speaker 1: means we know exactly what's gonna happen, right, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: when I talked to Jason tomorrow before the draft, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he'll let us know. Yeah, he'll tell you everything
Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen. So for now, based before
Speaker 1: we get all the real inside from him, what do
Speaker 1: we feel like it's going to happen at Yeah, And
Speaker 1: and a good good way to put that is when
Speaker 1: he was doing his post or pre draft press conference
Speaker 1: last week, Jason said, we know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and he realized he didn't mean to say it that way,
Speaker 1: and he said, I mean we have we know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, no matter what happens in front of us.
Speaker 1: So nobody knows what's gonna happen. From picks one, for sure,
Speaker 1: that's an awful lot of variables, but as we're getting close,
Speaker 1: there's tends to be a little bit more consensus. I
Speaker 1: started counting mock drafts that are out there and stopped
Speaker 1: when I got to about two million, so you could
Speaker 1: find you can find. You didn't want to give all
Speaker 1: two million opinions today, I feel like we should. That
Speaker 1: would just take us all the way up to the
Speaker 1: draft tomorrow. It sounds like a perfect live show. So
Speaker 1: I thought I'd look at some of the more prominent
Speaker 1: national sites and the ones that were most recent. All
Speaker 1: of these, except for the ESPN one, which was late
Speaker 1: last week, we're posted from as recently as Tuesday, which
Speaker 1: was yesterday, so um or maybe Monday. It was all
Speaker 1: this week. So these are some of the things that
Speaker 1: people are coming down to now. This is something we've
Speaker 1: done several times. Davante Wide from Georgia. That's what Tomcsha
Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com picked, So Pro Football Focus picked another
Speaker 1: team another draft wire there. Uh, they obviously thought Davant
Speaker 1: why would be gone, so pivoted to a different defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: But then you see some other ideas over here. NFL
Speaker 1: dot Com thinks we're gonna go guard with Zion Johnson
Speaker 1: for Watson College, and CBS Sports thinks cornerback and Andrew
Speaker 1: Booth is the one that's going to be there, and
Speaker 1: these times sure means that's the one you wrote. Obviously
Speaker 1: you you're your moonlighting for CBS forts talking about corners exactly.
Speaker 1: I do think would be great if the Bucks got
Speaker 1: a corner there, but I'm not sure there's gonna be
Speaker 1: one they love. And then the most interesting one here
Speaker 1: is probably Peter King of NBC Sports did his mock
Speaker 1: draft earlier this week, and David Jabo is a guy
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are conjecturing will he still
Speaker 1: go late in the first round because he's the one,
Speaker 1: of course, of towards Achilles Tendon at his Michigan Pro day.
Speaker 1: Other than that, he's probably a top fifteen, sixteen pick,
Speaker 1: and and now he may not go in the first
Speaker 1: round unless some team is willing to take him understanding
Speaker 1: he may not be available for a good partner, maybe
Speaker 1: all of this first season, but it's a guy that
Speaker 1: you can get great value on if he can return
Speaker 1: from his injury return to four. So you know, everybody
Speaker 1: got really excited. Uh last season when Cam Akers the
Speaker 1: running back for the Rams, towards Achilles in like early
Speaker 1: um August or late July, and then made it back
Speaker 1: to the playoffs like six months later, and it was
Speaker 1: like back from the Achilles in six months. This changes
Speaker 1: all the calculus, And so I think everybody's thinking now
Speaker 1: that everybody who tears as Achilles could be back in
Speaker 1: six months. I'm not sure that's that's the case. So, uh,
Speaker 1: if you're that optimistic and you think that could happen,
Speaker 1: if you draft David O Jabo, you might have him
Speaker 1: back and getting started at mid season. And if you
Speaker 1: think you're a playoff continuing team, he might be starting
Speaker 1: to get back into the group by the time you
Speaker 1: hit the playoffs. Yeah. I just already know if it's
Speaker 1: Davante Wyatt, the confusion, that's going to be Devin White
Speaker 1: and Davante Wyatt, And we are for sure going to
Speaker 1: mess that up multiple times. All right, So let's get
Speaker 1: into some of our questions from everybody on Facebook again.
Speaker 1: If you have a question for us, you can put
Speaker 1: it underneath the live video on the Buccaneers Facebook page
Speaker 1: in the comments section. UM. Speaking of the returns from injury,
Speaker 1: Allen wanted to know, what do you think are the
Speaker 1: timelines on Chris Godwin's return. Well, he so, his injury
Speaker 1: was in December, I believe late December. UM, and if
Speaker 1: you go nine months, which is what people generally say
Speaker 1: about a c l S, that would have him back
Speaker 1: right about the start of the season, maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit before. UM. I know that Chris obviously, Chris is
Speaker 1: a guy that that works really hard and it's going
Speaker 1: to do everything right. So if there is, if there are,
Speaker 1: if there's a range in this this prognosis we're gonna
Speaker 1: be back, I'd expect him to be back in the
Speaker 1: early part of that range. He did talk to the
Speaker 1: media a while back and he said he felt like
Speaker 1: his his rehab was going very well, but at that
Speaker 1: time he didn't want to put a timetable on it.
Speaker 1: So I think the hopes would be maybe towards the
Speaker 1: end of training camp, but you have to at least
Speaker 1: acknowledge that he could miss a little bit of time
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, which makes that Russell
Speaker 1: Gage signing even a little bit more important because that's
Speaker 1: a guy that can help you bridge that gap until
Speaker 1: your other starters. Back with Mike Evans and Richard wanted
Speaker 1: to know who do you wish we can draft versus
Speaker 1: most likely that's a good one. Well, I don't think
Speaker 1: he'll make it, so I guess this would be a
Speaker 1: wish that defensive The other defensive lineman from Georgia, Jordan Davis,
Speaker 1: would be awfully exciting. Um. Also maybe an addresser. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no way the Bucks are going to get eight
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson or Trayvon Walker or um uh Cavon Thibideaux Tibideau.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, Jermy Johnson, Florida State has
Speaker 1: been rising up, so it's probably not likely makes it
Speaker 1: to But that would be another guy that I wish
Speaker 1: we could could could get there. Most likely. I'd still
Speaker 1: think most likely it comes down to a defensive lineman
Speaker 1: or an edge rusher. Uh more like a guy that
Speaker 1: would be available at that time. And my most recent
Speaker 1: mock draft that went up today. My last shot at it,
Speaker 1: I went with Penn State's ad Dresher Arnold at tape.
Speaker 1: A big avocatie there, it is there, it is um
Speaker 1: So that's I think probably a more likely scenario a
Speaker 1: little bit farther down the list on those two positions. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, well that is going to do it for
Speaker 1: us on this edition of Buccaneers Inside Er Live presented
Speaker 1: by Miller Lite again, we are going to be live
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. It is going to be broadcast here at
Speaker 1: Raymond James if you are at the draft party, and
Speaker 1: then it'll also be streamed live on all of the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers platforms as well if you won't be there, and
Speaker 1: we'll be watching the draft from home, so make sure
Speaker 1: you tune in. We're going to start about seven fifteen
Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and we're gonna talk all things Buccaneers offseason
Speaker 1: and the draft upcoming. It will be about a forty
Speaker 1: five minute live show with a bunch of other amazing
Speaker 1: content in it. So we'll see you then. Uh uh