1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: It's Monday, June and I wanted to take a moment 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: to thank you for tuning into this second season of Ephemeral. 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who's listened Britain, followed, reviewed and recommended 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: our show to a friend. It has been so great 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: to be back. Also, we have news we're taking next 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: week off and then starting July twelve, we'll be releasing 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: a new episode of Ephemeral every other week at infinitum, 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: so at least two new episodes a month, with no 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: more breaks between seasons. Choot me an email let us 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: know what you think. We're at Ephemeral at ihart media 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: dot com. A femeral is a production of My Heart 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: three D audio listened with that songs yea, yeah yeah. 13 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: The amazing thing about recorded music is how it can 14 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: freeze time, not only the moment in which it was performed, 15 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: but the points of your life when you're listening. Most 16 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: anyone who's ever fallen in love with the song can 17 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: experience this phenomenon, including our friend Bob Purse. My name 18 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: is Bob Purse. I'm originally from Northfield, Illinois, which is 19 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: a tiny summer of Chicago, and I have been since 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: my early adulthood a massive collector. I suspect that I 21 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: own at least ten thousand individual pieces of recorded sound. 22 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: One record that scored the major events of Bob's adult 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: life was so obscure that it set in motion his 24 00:01:52,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: collecting obsession. Some thirty five years ago, in May, on 25 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: the verge of his twenty fifth birthday, a young Bob 26 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: Purse was looking for what was next to his life. 27 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: My future was staring in the face, and I didn't 28 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: know exactly what I was going to do. I had 29 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: had an off again, on again relationship with college, and 30 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: I was just a week or two away from graduating 31 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: with my bachelor's degree in human services and intended to 32 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: find a job working with children. Now if everyone seated 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: where he can see everyone out five, I was living 34 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: at home. As I mentioned, I grew up in Northfield, 35 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: which is sort of the baby sister of a town 36 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: called Winnetta. Winetta, Illinois, is home to a special annual event. 37 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: It's built as the world's largest one day rummage sale. 38 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: And looked it up and it's still built that way. Obviously, 39 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: it didn't happen this year, but it's happened since nineteen 40 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: o two. It's held in a building owned by the 41 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: Winnetka Congressional Church, the Wineka Community House, the enormous building 42 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: if it's basically used for the public. Once a year 43 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: they take everything else out of all these rooms and 44 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: fill them up with grummage sail items. He writes the 45 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: price on a slip of paper and attaches it to 46 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: the bag, and it's a one day sail. It's on 47 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: a Thursday, I think, the first Thursday in May. Bob 48 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: wasn't a dedicated collector, truth be told, He only went 49 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: to buy a pocalle. It's essentially a ukulele with an 50 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: odd shaped body and a neck that's about two ft long, 51 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: and then the curves at the end. My friend Paul 52 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and I both thought pokol ales. And while I was there, 53 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: I looked through the records. Honestly, that was probably the 54 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: start of my interest in buying large numbers of unusual 55 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: records in order to see if there was something interesting 56 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: among them. I would guess that I bought some of 57 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: the thirty and forty five albums, and probably some five, 58 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: and undoubtedly some tapes. The shoes tape Shore Shoes, shoes Shooth, Shooth. 59 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: I guarantee you I got that there probably benda is 60 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: that church is a mile away from the school that 61 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: they mentioned island. What is that we cover this tape 62 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: in our pilot episode. I probably bought some stuff that 63 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: was pretty mainstream that I didn't have yet. I think 64 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: I bought some sound effect records small calibration shaker in 65 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: the space lab, and I may have gotten some radio 66 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: production records there which had like music to use behind 67 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: promos and things like that. Among the piles of musical ephemera, 68 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: Bob spotted an unassuming LP. It was just in a 69 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: plane sleeve inside a plane cardboard sleeve. It looked like 70 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: something that was home produced, and all it says on 71 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: it is musical Memories of Camper and Avin. Part one 72 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: is on the front side and part two is listed 73 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: on the back and then says simple Recording Service, Ryanander, Wisconsin. 74 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: If I saw a record like that anywhere, I would 75 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: snatch it immediately, like, well, what is this? I then 76 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: had to walk probably close to a mile to get 77 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: back to my car with a box full of at 78 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: least forty albums. I graduated like ten days later. We 79 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: all returned back to my house for a celebration afterwards, 80 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: and I had this box of records, and I said, hey, 81 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: you want to hear some of the stuff I got. 82 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I pulled out probably three or four records, and that 83 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: was one of them. We touched down the needle on 84 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: a couple of spots. I kept listening lists for most 85 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: of my adulthood. What were listening to this week? What 86 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: we're listening to this month? I'm certain, but I didn't 87 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: listen to the Musical Memories of Campering Albin album all 88 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: the way through until October. In those days, I would 89 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: tape record them and listen to them to and from 90 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: my way to work or wherever else I was going. 91 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: If there were four uniw records that I hadn't listened 92 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: to me, it might take a while before I got to. 93 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Throughout the episode, we'll place selections from the original Camper 94 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: and Often Way, as well as tracks reimagined by musician 95 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Krause. More details on both in the credits. I 96 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: really was entranced by the sound of the thing, the 97 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: ambiance of it, This wonderful echoe piano going on playing 98 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: some tunes that I know, a lot of tunes I 99 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: don't know, and some of that I know the tune, 100 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: but not know what it is, but not a single 101 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: one of the songs that I do recognize has the 102 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: lyrics that go with it. Every word I can make 103 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: out at least is about the camp. For example, consider 104 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Yourself from Oliver, which is so I probably never not 105 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: known because it was written my nond was about four 106 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: or five years old. At some point I played parts 107 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: of it for my mom, who was a professional musician, 108 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and she recognized a bunch more songs, and then a 109 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: whole bunch of songs that I just don't recognize at all. 110 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: In addition to the ambient texture of the recording and 111 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: the idiosyncratic nature of the cover songs, the vocal performance 112 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: struck a chord. I like to hear kids singing when 113 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: they're singing because they want to sing, and not because 114 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: someone strained them as how to sing like an adult, 115 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: ab how to sing properly, And this is just a 116 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: bunch of girls singing their hearts out for fun. My 117 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: second favorite album is an album by the Lime Lighters, 118 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: who were a wonderful FULK trio in the sixties and 119 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: then came back in the eighties, and it's recorded live 120 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: in concert at a show they did along with a 121 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: bunch of grade scores. It's called True Children's Eyes. Probably 122 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: my favorite track anybody's ever recorded is on that album. 123 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: In other words, this was a natural for me. The 124 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: one I like the most immediately is near the end 125 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: of the album. It's sung to the old Shirley Temple 126 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: hit the cod Fish Vault. Come along and follow me 127 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: the bottom up the tree, We're join in the Jamuary 128 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: and the Codfish Fine. It's a song about life at 129 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: the camp. The whole first verse is composed of all 130 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: the different wonderful things about the camp, and then they 131 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: sing it again and everything is negative. I could not 132 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: make out every word, but I got out enough of 133 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: it that I got the humor of it. The key 134 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: line at the end of each verse is atronovin camp 135 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: for girls, and in the second verse it's sung as 136 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: a question with the girls. That's the one that I 137 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: immediately played, probably five or six times, almost as much, 138 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: and then within a month much more was this song. 139 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: And I didn't know the song at the time, but 140 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: it's called the Missouri Walts and it's from the nineteenth century. 141 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: As the years have gone on, I've heard many other 142 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: renditions of his melody, and I just love it the 143 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: words that are very snimental and very sweet about nighttime 144 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: at Camper and Aubin. Underneath the silvery beams of Champer 145 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: and Aubin's night, her lovely curtain drops and ends the 146 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: day too soon. Neath the sheltering pines we find the 147 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: soul of happiness. Learn to give and take and think 148 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: itself a little less. Who writes like that? That's beautiful. 149 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: It's maybe the only song on the album that's sung 150 00:12:33,920 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: in harmony. Probably for the next year and a half. 151 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: That was the track I listened to more than anything 152 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: else on the radio or in my collection. The third 153 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: one that I really liked is to tune called Let's 154 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Get Away from It All and again the song is great, 155 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: the melody is indelible. It was a bigger hit in 156 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: the forties with its real words. From that one, he 157 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: is absolutely about how the day goes by. It starts 158 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: with waking up a name, what their activities are like. 159 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: It ends with what they do in the evening. On 160 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: the LP, there are a total of thirty seven songs, 161 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: all performed in the same manner live stripe piano and 162 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: a chorus of school age girls. Over the years, I 163 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: have identified all but about seven or eight of them. 164 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: Just two of them are really one and a half 165 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: of them are traditional camp songs, but everything else has 166 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: been written. There are white songs from various colleges, Ohio Hand, 167 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Ohio State, and more Dame. The rest of them are 168 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: just a cross section of twentieth century song scatter Brain, 169 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: which is the thirties hit right when You Wish Him 170 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: on a Star, which is from Penocchio, see Little Lindo, 171 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: which is a famous Mexican song, Enough Swanny, I Don't 172 00:15:48,840 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: love You, I Don't love you, after White Coral Bells, 173 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: a song called good Morning Mrs Pockhead, my Wonderful One, 174 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: which is probably something my mom identified because I've never 175 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: heard that song, The Sweetheart of Sigma Kai, which is 176 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: another real set of metal song, my dreams, Hey look 177 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: Me Over, even the Chicken Reel, which is not a 178 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: nineteenth century violin peaks Oh by Jingo, another thirties records 179 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: by Along a Moon River, which has been the sixties 180 00:17:54,080 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: days of Wine and Roses, Why Yea. These probably cover 181 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: from the eight nineties right up until the year this 182 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: album was recorded. The tracks appear to be grouped thematically, 183 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: providing a window into life at camp bring often during 184 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: some long past summer. Yeah, it starts off with a 185 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: group of very general welcoming and cheering from the camp 186 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: sort of songs. Most camps of those days, maybe even today, 187 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: assign everybody into one of two groups. If you're on 188 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: the Green team, everything that you do athletic or other activity, 189 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: you're trying to win points for the Green team. If 190 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: you're in the Orange team, vice versa. So there are 191 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: ten songs on side one. Half of them are for 192 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: the Blue team and half of them are for White team. 193 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: Then it goes back into some celebratory things about life 194 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: at the camps and specific things about why they liked 195 00:19:49,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: the game, just reinforcing out one of the campus yea 196 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: and including one in which there's nothing but a serious 197 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: complaints about collar they get treated by other campers. After that, 198 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: there's a couple of real sentimental numbers. One song for 199 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: the old college song of Halls and Ivy, which is 200 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: one of the longest tracks on the album, and then 201 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: two good night songs. The one song to the tune 202 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: of Let's Get Away from It All breaks down the 203 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: camper's daily routine wake up each morning with the bugle 204 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: after a great night of sleep, dressed in a hurry, 205 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: scamper and scurry to breakfast, and know how we eat, 206 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: sit on the floor with our teammates, join in a 207 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: song or a yell. Next comes inspection, and here's the 208 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: suggestion tuck everything away. Well, now don your garb for 209 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: what comes next. A swim, perhaps a ride, rifle ry 210 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and tennis too. We'll all play side by side, more 211 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: fun again in the evening after the day's setting sun 212 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: Gryn Alvin's great gals and how she does great gals. 213 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: It's best when it's all said and done. I always 214 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: thought the rude wifeilely and tennis too was a really 215 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: weird phrase. I can't think of two things that have 216 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: less in common. And at the top of the first side, 217 00:22:52,880 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: there's a song for visiting day everybody. It's to the 218 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: tune of a song called scatter Brain, which, as a 219 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: complete unrelated note, was a favorite of John Runnins. Somebody 220 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: would ask for something for us to say anything exactly. 221 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: If you go to this camp, or any camp, you 222 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: probably keep going every year until your age out. So 223 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: if you're new there, whether you're the youngest age of 224 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: these people, seven or eight, or you're just starting to go. 225 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: Even though you're in the middle of range in the ages, 226 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: you're surrounded by people who already know the songs, So 227 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: I think you learned a pretty quick. Bob could consider 228 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: himself lucky to have stumbled upon such an endearing work, 229 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: but he had no idea what rabbit holes it would 230 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: eventually lead him down. By the fall of a young Bob, 231 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: person's future was taking shape. I had gotten my first 232 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: job that required my degree, which was as I had expected, 233 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: at a daycare center. The C b A record was 234 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: along for the ride. My drive to work was over 235 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: half an hour, so I was probably listening to this 236 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: a lot on the way through the from work. Two 237 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: weeks into my new job, one of my part time 238 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: co workers told a friend of hers, Hey, there's a 239 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 1: guy working at the daycare now. You should come over 240 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: and meet him. So she walked in, and I just 241 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: assumed he was a parent or maybe an employee I 242 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: hadn't met yet because I've been there all of nine days. 243 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: We got to talk and she explained that she had 244 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: worked there and to shorten things down, right around the 245 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: time I started this going to the album is when 246 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: she asked me outum, her name is Gina, and we've 247 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: been together ever since. That probably corresponded down to a 248 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: ten day frame between her asking me out and he 249 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: listened to this record. I continue working at this job 250 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: and it's not what I hoped it would. I decided 251 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: at some point along the way that I needed to 252 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: go to graduate school. Gina. I had been engaged for 253 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: almost a year and a half and we're actively planning 254 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: a wedding for late May. I'm no longer working full time. 255 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: I'm working part time. I'm doing some other stuff, and 256 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to school for a degree in psychology. We 257 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: have a special department here of social workers. You go 258 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: along and see one of them and you're fine. They 259 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: can help you with your problem. The Amblotic condo which 260 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: was in disrepair and we were fixing it up. Are 261 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: offense didn't often overlap with each other, so when I 262 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: was there by myself, I often put on the whole album. 263 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: My overall affection for the album grew exponentially at that point, 264 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: and that's when I wanted to find out everything I 265 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: put about the camp in the album. The cod fish 266 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: Ball track that I mentioned her star Fast and Swimming 267 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: is great. I was hearing the next line is all 268 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: that snow and what a lake? That made no sense 269 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: to me because it doesn't snow in northern Wisconsin in August, 270 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: but I didn't know what they were saying. I was 271 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: literally buying my wedding gift for my wife at a J. C. Penny's. 272 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm listening to the tape of the record in my car, 273 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: as I probably was incessantly in that moment. I was 274 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: about to get out of my car and they're saying 275 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: Lake Snowdon. It's on Lake Snowdon. Within minutes, I'm like, oh, 276 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: that's what they're saying in that other song, and two 277 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: other sets of lyrics that didn't make sense to me 278 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: suddenly were clearly Lake Snowdon. If campern often had seemed 279 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: like a mythical place, existing only in the ballads and 280 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: odes of its admirers, this single clue brought with it 281 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: the hope of geographical specificity. So I'm like, well, now 282 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: I know what to look for at that moment. Now 283 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: I meant I'm getting married in a couple of days, 284 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: so I'm not doing anything with this. But when I 285 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: got back, I went out to Northwestern and look to 286 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: see whether they would have stuff that would be of 287 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: help to me. I found very very detailed maps of 288 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and identified Lake Snowden. I found that it was 289 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: out a rural route about four or five miles east 290 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: of ryan Lander, on a road that made a semicircle 291 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: off of the rural route, which was called Camper and 292 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: Oven Road. In the libraries archives, I found two different 293 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: catalogs of camps the parents could buy to know where 294 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: to send their kids and how much things were need 295 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: to contact, and that this rusted camp bounded by hiking 296 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: trails and lakeside activities, one from the twenties and one 297 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: from the forties and fifties, I think, both of which 298 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: had listings for campering, an archery range, a tennis court, 299 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: and arts and crafts building, plus a large meeting hall 300 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: and the campfires circle. Now I knew that it had 301 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: been around since at least the twenties. It was in 302 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: an area where my family and I had vacation when 303 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: I was five, and it was an area where Gina 304 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: and I had already camped because she introduced me to camping. 305 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite areas in terms of the 306 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: look of the place, the climate, the foliage is almost 307 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: entirely to these massive pine trees, which immediately brought to 308 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: mind the camperovin moon Song, the ones for two of 309 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: the Missouri walls neath the sheltering pines, to find the 310 00:29:50,800 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: soul of happiness. But at that point I had no 311 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: idea whether the camp still existed. I requested that we 312 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: make our next camping trip back up to the Rhinelander 313 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: area tent camping. Yes, and me and our dog. That 314 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: sounds idyllic. The first night we camped, I drove by 315 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: and saw that there was indeed a camp there, and 316 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: that it was called Camp Algonquin. There it is. The 317 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: next day I went over and there was no life 318 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: in sight. There was no camping session. This was late August. 319 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: Campin is gonna get this night. When I pulled in, 320 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: it was a big gravel parking one. There's patents with 321 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: cabins dotting along the way, and then the lake which 322 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: is Lake Snowden, has a couple of peers going out 323 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: into it, and everything pulled up on the shore. Wow, 324 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: I wonder like there was an office there. I don't 325 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: remember if I went up to the office or if 326 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: a guy saw me pulling the parking lot, but he 327 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: came out and his name was Don McKinnon. Alight all right, 328 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: called I think he used to be here, and that 329 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: was it. He told me that the camp had been 330 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: Campell Donquins since the nineteen seventy five season, when it 331 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: had been sold by the previous owners, and that the 332 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: Campernovin ended the nineteen seventy four but that virtually all 333 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: of the facilities were the same as had been there 334 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: when it was Camper and Avin. The camp Algonquin grounds 335 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: were like a museum of the old Camper, and often 336 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: Bob wondered if he may finally have his questions answered 337 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: around the origin of this mysterious record. Do you know? 338 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: Do you know about this record that I'm talking about? 339 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: Don McKinnon did not have a copy of the album, 340 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: but he knew about it. I found it, I found 341 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: and he clicked in. Really. He took me into the 342 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: office and showed me some pamphlets from the Camperanovin days, 343 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: and some song sheets that he had mimeographed or something 344 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: unlike legal size paper, and they had the lyrics to 345 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: dozens of songs typed out, each one of them numbered. 346 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: He would let me make copy machine copies. I'm looking 347 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: at this There's eleven songs on the first sheet, and 348 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: at least four of them are not songs that I 349 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: know from the album. Here's one to the two exhibity Dodo, 350 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: which is not on the album. The mimiographed pages also 351 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: introduced a new character into the story. We're going to 352 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: break up into groups now. And if you'll notice your 353 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: locks are different colors. The sheets have a half a 354 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: dozen references to Old Bratty. When the great, big white 355 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: moon shines on the camp among the pines, then think 356 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: of you, dear Brady, hears to you. How do you do? 357 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: Old Bratty was a lot of broad Bridge, and by 358 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: the time the album was made, she had sold the camp. 359 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: I was going to have the Blue Rocks going one 360 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: group and the red Locks in another group, so all 361 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: references to her were taken out, and new sheets must 362 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: have been how many reds are here? There was a 363 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: brother camp a couple of miles down the road on 364 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: a different road, called Camp teer Horn, which was still 365 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: owned by a lot of Broadbridge's brother or his descendants, 366 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: which he had opened shortly after a lot of opened 367 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: Camper Novin my understanding is it's still in that nuy 368 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: Mr McKinnon was very accommodating and told me that I 369 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: could go in any building that was unlocked. You're welcome 370 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: to all right, thank you. I immediately took off and 371 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: started filming around the ground sheltering pines. I interviewed him 372 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: with the lens on the camera and just used it 373 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: as a paper corner off in me. I don't know. 374 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: I can't remember if I was actually carrying the album 375 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: around our little boom box or not. As I walked 376 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: through these buildings, I may have done like snowdon what 377 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: are like? And then I found the cabins, and the 378 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: cabins were a revelation graffiti in the bunkhouse. The cabins 379 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: were full of graffiti a white Ya blues from campers 380 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: going all the way back. I think the oldest one 381 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: I found was named nineteen two, right up to the 382 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: president of a recent stuff. Some of it was much 383 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: more coarse than would have been done by the girls 384 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: in the sixties or seventies. Like I found the drawing 385 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: off a middle finger that I was pretty sure had 386 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: come from the mom campers disco ruless, so I think 387 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: that was made after it was camping Cambo dun Quin grace. 388 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: Mr McKinnon did let me into one lock building, which 389 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: was where the counselors could go to relax when they 390 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: didn't have to be with the girls, and it too 391 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: had graffiti, but it had very fancy stuff panels that 392 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: were painted with texted, very elaborate ways. That was all 393 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: the build the cans Belt in nineteen seventeen. He had 394 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: told me to make sure that I saw what they 395 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: called the main Bungalow or the main bungle, which still 396 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: makes me laugh. That's building place here. It had been 397 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: designed by students of Frank Lloyd Wright, who was of 398 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: course associated with Wisconsin. Right. This is a gorgeous large 399 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 1: wooden building with wooden rafters, almost built like a church 400 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: the film. It's basically t shaped. There's a long meeting 401 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: hall with stone fireplaces at each end. Behind each fireplace 402 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: and accessible through doors on either side, is a stream porch. 403 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: Extending out from the very center of that room is 404 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: a second part pointing away from the lake with dining tables, 405 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: and behind that as a kitchen pitting next to where 406 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: the room opens up with the dining part, there's a 407 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: grand piano which is covered entirely and next to the 408 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: fireplace is a spin of piano. There's another piano, prahaps 409 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: this is the door. The spin a piano is basically 410 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: a small upright. It was clear that this was the place. 411 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: There was no doubt in my mind that that was 412 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: where it was reported with that's going to be the piano. 413 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: It was the record Even though one of the songs 414 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: were first to the girls sitting to sing, I'm immediately 415 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: picturing them for the recordings standing in front of the 416 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: fireplace and singing along to this piano, which, for whatever reason, 417 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: the equeness of it or the old bedrooms of it, 418 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: suggests to me that she's playing on an old, worn 419 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: out piano. So I'm filming. I'm filming and filming. I 420 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: put the camera down, and I am a piano player. 421 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: So I sit down at the piano and start pounding 422 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: on it, and no sound comes out whatsoever. It doesn't work. 423 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: The keys are moving, the connection to the keys are moving. 424 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: There don't seem to be any hammers in this piano, 425 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: or if there are, there are no strings. That's never 426 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: happened before, So I'm not going to uncover the grand 427 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: piano player. I felt like that would be overstepping. I 428 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: was just incredibly glad to have been able to follow 429 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: the cruise and to be allowed to be there there. 430 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: It's even before we got to the campsite. I went 431 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: into the town to the library to look up to 432 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: see if there was a civil recording service in town, 433 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: knowing that it had been twenty three years since the 434 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: album was room, that seemed rather unlikely. It seemed like 435 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: a small business at the time, and there was no 436 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: civil recording service, but there was a simple photography service. 437 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: The objective of the sound van is to record intelligible sound. 438 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: I drove to that address. It was a house. It 439 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: had the name of the company out front. An older 440 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: couple in their sixties. I say that I'm sixty now 441 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: invited me in. Mr Simple was a photographer, and he 442 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: told me that in the mid sixties he had gotten 443 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: into his head to branch out and have a local 444 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: recording service for the area. Okay, let's have a sound check. 445 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: And then it never really went newhere we're getting a 446 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: hum from something. Simple remembered the CB a record off 447 00:38:50,120 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: the top of his head. Didn't ask him, but I 448 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if that's the only business he ever 449 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: got for that In terms of how he recorded, is 450 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: that you think like single mike in a room. Yeah, 451 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: it's in monrole, and very little doubt that it was 452 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: done on a real TiAl machine. And then whoever he 453 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: was working with transport and had they album stanped out. 454 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: This is a rehearsal sound writing rolling. It didn't occur 455 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: to me until at least ten years later that I 456 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: should have said to him, hey, do you still have 457 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: the tapes? The camp could handle as many as three 458 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: girls I think is the number. And even if they 459 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: wanted to try to sell it to families who came 460 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: the next year, I can't imagine they made more than 461 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: four or five dred copies. So it's got to be 462 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: an exceptionally rare record. A work trip put Bob in 463 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: the vicinity of Rhinelander, so he paid another trip to 464 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: the Office season Camp all Conquin. In two years a 465 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: lot had changed, and not for the better. Some of 466 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: the cabins graffiti had been painted over. I went to 467 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: an area I had not gone to before where there 468 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: was storage, and it was kind of just haphazard. The 469 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: piano that I mentioned that couldn't play had been moved 470 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: to this storage area in a sort of an outdoor area, 471 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: so it was going to get destroyed. It just felt 472 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: sadder and it didn't feel like the same place again. 473 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: Now that Bob and the backstory of the record, the 474 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: question he was left with was what to do about 475 00:40:38,080 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: its legacy. In the early nineties, Bob and Gina's lives 476 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 1: got busier and busier, we had daughters in everything sort 477 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: of changes at that point. I found myself listening to 478 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: any music far less, and yet the cb A record 479 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: still seeped its way into the purse family consciousness. I 480 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: think I played individual tracks for them, or they just 481 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: happened to be in the car when I was listening 482 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: to it. M h. I had a tradition of singing 483 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: songs to them every night. My wife would sit with 484 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: one of the girls, I would sit with one of 485 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: the others, and whoever I was sitting with would get 486 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: to request a song, or if they didn't want to, 487 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: I would just pick one, and then I would sing 488 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: either one or both of good night songs should be 489 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: end of the album, more often the next to last one. 490 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: Now run along home and jump into bed, saying your 491 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: prayers and cover your head, the very same thing I say, 492 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm see you you dream of me and I'll drink 493 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: of you. I don't think they ever really understood or 494 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: knew her care that it came from the album, but 495 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: they certainly knew it. Bob went online once I figured 496 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: things out. I think to myself, hey, I should look 497 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: to see if there's any references to Camper not an 498 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: online What comes up is addresses that are on Camper 499 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: and No Road, including Campbell Gangu, which are more your 500 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: familiar with. Nothing that's that's going to help me. But 501 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: in early two thousand two, the Camp Algonquian website suddenly 502 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: had an alumni page, which included a sub page for 503 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: alumni of Camper and Oven. You opened it up and 504 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: it had everybody who's signed up to identify itself as 505 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: a Campernoven alumni and their email addresses. So I wrote 506 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: to everybody hold them how much I love the album, 507 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: how much joy it had brought me, and that I 508 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: would love to hear more about the camp. Seven or 509 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: eight people wrote me back, one of them having been 510 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: the camp secretary in the early sixties and worked under 511 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: both a lot of Broadbridge and her successor, I knew 512 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: a lot about the history of the camp. Others gave 513 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: me more sort of the feel of what it would 514 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: like to attend. Suddenly, this unearthed time capsule had context 515 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: in nineties sixty four, a lot of Broadbridge was in 516 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: her eighties and I think maybe had passed on the 517 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: leaders going to one group and half of the leaders 518 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: going to another group, and decided to sell it to 519 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: a married couple of both of whom had worked there 520 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: the previous couple of years. They decided to make the 521 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: album before the nineteen season, rolling under the suggestion of 522 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: the piano player that worked there. I just can't say 523 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: enough good things about I play stride piano myself very badly, 524 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: and her abilities are just astounding. Her name was Laura Elberry. Okay, 525 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: let's have a sound check. They recorded it at some 526 00:44:48,160 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: point in the summer of I was corrected in my 527 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 1: thought that they were standing up. I just pictured people 528 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: standing when they're singing, But they were sitting in that 529 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 1: section right in the middle of the main bungalow where 530 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: it opens up in their dining hall, facing the piano, 531 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: wearing their counter blue shirts and dark blue shorts, be 532 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: as they'd say. I wanted the songs. And then the 533 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: errands who bought the place got divorced, and for a 534 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: variety of reasons, it was too difficult for the former 535 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: Mrs Arrans to continue, and she announced at the end 536 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: of the seven fourth season that she couldn't find a 537 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,319 Speaker 1: buyer that wanted to continue with the traditions of Camper, 538 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: and Avin ended up retaining the rights to the name 539 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: and sold the property to the person who turned it 540 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 1: into Campbell Countrey, which was a reading in math camp 541 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: I believe for boys initially and then eventually for the 542 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: younger boys and older girls. In its heyday, Campering often 543 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: held an air of exclusivity. It was kind of the 544 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: camp for the elite. The wealthy set their daughters there. 545 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if Betty Ford was there as a child, 546 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 1: but she worked there as a counselor. I'm going as 547 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: myself and if they don't like it, then they'll just 548 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: have to throw me out. Lorretty Young said her daughter there, 549 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: that really can only do what I like to do. 550 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: And Jane Mansfield had at least one daughter that went there. 551 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: A star owes it to her public to bring the 552 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: public into her life. Multiple alum sent Bob copies of 553 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: promotional booklets advertising Campering, often to parents at the time, 554 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: touting activities like horseback riding, fencing, and a regatta weekend. Again, 555 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: it reflects what a high end place this was. An 556 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: he can is going to try to make the camp 557 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: book the best that it is in this place looks 558 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:10,240 Speaker 1: amazing other campering. Often ephemeris circulates aided by the Worldwide Web. 559 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot of postcards out there floating around, especially 560 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: from the early days. Well here it is the And 561 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: if I don't get this off thin, these guys aren't 562 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: even going to get locals have turned up at some 563 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: point bought a signature book that the girls were issued 564 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: to get their friends like thoughts of the statements and 565 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I have that and people sent me 566 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: tons of pictures. But the Musical Memories album remains an 567 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: absolute rarity. It's about the Dictionary definition of esoteric, so 568 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: I really get it. It turns out that camp records 569 00:47:52,400 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: are in fact their own small genre. Hey, okay, I 570 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: have three that would probably qualify as the same general concept. 571 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: I have one called Musical Memories of Chalk Hills Camp, 572 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: which is a now defunct Girl Scout camp. It was 573 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,879 Speaker 1: still in operation when I found that record, and I 574 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: was very, very excited to find that album, hoping that 575 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: it would be something along the same lines. It's entertaining, 576 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: and there's probably a half a dozen songs on there 577 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: I enjoy, but it doesn't have the ambience, it doesn't 578 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: have the arrangements. It's acapella. There's no instrumentation at all. 579 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: It's much more professionally produced. The girls sound much more trained, 580 00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 1: and they're doing entirely established songs. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 581 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: And then the other one that I would say that 582 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: I like second best and not in a close race 583 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: both ways. Record is a tiny label, left wing label 584 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,840 Speaker 1: out of New York City that operated from the forties 585 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: into the nineties when its owner died, and it is 586 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: now part of the SMITHSNY collection. In the late fifties, 587 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: they recorded at holm called Songs of Camp, primarily around 588 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,360 Speaker 1: a campfire at a place called Camp Hilly Leads somewhere 589 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,840 Speaker 1: in New England, and it's remarkable for the content of 590 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: the songs and also the audio verity of the recording. 591 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: You know, you can hear the fire crackling and it's 592 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: just spoke singers and the kids singing. And there's a 593 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: couple of tracks on there that are just wonderful, but 594 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,399 Speaker 1: none of these examples has special quality of the CB 595 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 1: A record. Bob made it his mission to preserve this 596 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: one of a kind work for the generations past and future. 597 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,280 Speaker 1: I got so many comments from folks, and I wanted 598 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: to give back to them. I don't think any of 599 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: them had the album. I don't think any of the 600 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: people I talked to had been on the record been 601 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: there that year, but they wanted a copy. And again, 602 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of obsessive, so I made it into a 603 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 1: big production. He darts the job, but preparing the story 604 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: so it can be printed. I was already editing sound 605 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: and making CDs for myself. That's music recorded as a 606 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: series of electronic pulsis, and I bought some software that 607 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: allowed you to make CD booklets. The surface is covered 608 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: by a layer of transparent plastic, so you don't have 609 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 1: to worry about grubby fingers or even scratches. So I 610 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: had to piece it together. It takes many lines like 611 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: this do make a page right all the text picture. 612 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: It takes up the face of many lines. I've finished 613 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 1: the CD project in the winter of two thousand two 614 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: thousand three, so it was within eight or ten months. 615 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: A hearing back from these people. Now, what are the 616 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: market for this kind of disc remains to be seen. 617 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: Bob continues to ship copies of the CD out to 618 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 1: cb A alumni at cost. I made a point of 619 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,799 Speaker 1: telling people, I'm not trying to make money on this. 620 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: What I'm going to charge you is as close to 621 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 1: what it's costing me as I can get. But I'm 622 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: sure I've sold somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred 623 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: and fifty two over the last eighteen years. Has the 624 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,280 Speaker 1: CD had any kind of reaction from people? Yeah, people 625 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: are very thankful. Thank you for bringing this back to me, 626 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for making this available. I've and sing along 627 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: with it all day. The question I'm left with is 628 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: what was special about this time and place, the sunny 629 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: little corner of Wisconsin in the summer of nine. Was 630 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,720 Speaker 1: that specialness captured in the recording? And how could Bob 631 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: somehow here frozen into the grooves of the record when 632 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: he first brought the LP home and let the needle 633 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,399 Speaker 1: touch down. All I know is that people that write 634 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: me about Camper and Aven have overwhelmingly wonderful memories and 635 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: continue to stay in touch with people that they do 636 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: their fifty and sixty years later. They obviously had a 637 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,359 Speaker 1: very special time and would look forward to it all 638 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 1: year round and have retained their memories. They can still 639 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: sing some of these songs. People will write to me 640 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: and say, you know, I remember this song? Is it 641 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,000 Speaker 1: on the album? Not having talked to anybody else about 642 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: their experiences of other camps, I have no idea whether 643 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: or not it's special in terms of what people would 644 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: say about why they went there, but it sure is 645 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,280 Speaker 1: a beautiful place. I can tell you confidently that there 646 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: are camps that people dread going to. Okay class are 647 00:53:46,480 --> 00:54:01,719 Speaker 1: ready to learn about music? Yeah, yeah, all told. It 648 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: is still astounding to me that this incredibly rare record 649 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: happened to end up in the hands that it did. 650 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: Bob may have had the only extant copy of the 651 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: musical Memories of Campering Offen, or at least it seemed 652 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 1: that way. I do a search for all things Campering 653 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 1: Aven on eBay, and for the first time two months ago, 654 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: a copy of the album came up for sale and 655 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 1: sold for fifty dollars. That's the second copy I've ever seen. 656 00:54:30,040 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 1: I paid a buck for mine. M ephemeral is written 657 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: and assembled by and produced by Matt Frederick, Trevor Young, 658 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,719 Speaker 1: and Max Williams. Sample more of the vast libraries of 659 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,160 Speaker 1: oddities Bob Purse has collected on his blogs The Wonderful 660 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 1: and the Obscure Bob Pert blogspot dot com and inches 661 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:50,759 Speaker 1: per Second inches dash per dash second dot blogspot dot com. 662 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,360 Speaker 1: And listen to the musical memories of Camper and often 663 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: reimagined by Nathaniel Krauss. That's k R a U s 664 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,399 Speaker 1: E at Nathaniel Kraus dot and camp dot com. You'll 665 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 1: find links to these and more at ephemeral dot show 666 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: Next time on Ephemeral. Seven years ago, I was in 667 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: Greece hanging out my family. On a whim. I did 668 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,760 Speaker 1: an Internet search for Tony Rice and I got two hits. 669 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,399 Speaker 1: One was a Greek Wikipedia article that mentioned his name 670 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,879 Speaker 1: in quick passing, and then the other one was from 671 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,279 Speaker 1: a music library in Greece. When I went to the 672 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,320 Speaker 1: music libraries online database, I found the thing that started 673 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: at all, which was the cover of the piano and 674 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,320 Speaker 1: vocal score for a song that had my grandfather's portrait. 675 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what nation support Ephemeral by 676 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,200 Speaker 1: recommending an episode, leaving a review or dropping us a 677 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: line at ephemeral Show. More podcasts from my Heart Radio, 678 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 679 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows, and learn more at ephemeral 680 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: dot show