WEBVTT - Training Anna w/ Laverne Cox 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.680 Inventing Anna the Official Podcast is a production of Shondaland 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:11.560 Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio. Welcome to Inventing 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.200 Anna the Official Podcast, your exclusive look inside the making 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.680 of the Shondaland series on Netflix. I'm your host Stacy 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.720 Wilson Hunt and Today on the show, I talked trauma, mantros, 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.400 and feminism with Emmy winner Laverne Cox, who plays Casey Duke, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.920 Anna's personal trainer. Laverne digs into how she overcame initial 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.920 skepticism of her character's unbridled positivity and how Casey Duke 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.880 became not only her friend but a continued inspiration. Oh 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.159 and she also sings for us. More on that a 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:50.199 bit later. Hi, Laverne, It's so nice to have you 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.760 on the podcast. How are you good. It's nice to 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.040 be interviewed again. I've been doing the interviewing um a 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.560 lot lately. That's the other end. Yes, that's true. Now 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.360 you know how hard this job is, right, Yes? I do. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.120 And I'm just generally speaking. How have you seen Inventing 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.320 Anna received in your world? It's really created a lot 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.480 of buzz, a lot of conversation. What's it felt like 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.399 on Urine it's felt magical. If I have to be honest, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.119 I think we would number one on Netflix for two weeks. Yes, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.160 very very much, most viewed show in a week in 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.560 Netflix history. That's incredible. I've gotten messages from people I 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.160 haven't heard from in years who are watching and loving 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.800 the show and loving my character. The best thing has 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.199 been Casey's response. She sent me flowers after she saw 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.920 the whole series, and this has been so complimentary. She said, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.240 I killed it. One of her friends, apparently of twenty years, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.440 tweeted me saying that they've known Casey for twenty years 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.000 and said, I nailed it. And so that has been, 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.080 um the most gratifying part of this. I felt a 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:57.560 lot of pressure playing a real life person and a 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.200 lot of responsibility to have or be happy to have 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.680 her friends and people who love her see Casey in 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.360 my portrayal is really the highest compliment. So yeah, everything 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.119 else is kind of gravy, but it's just it's beautiful 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.880 that people are watching, and I love the discussions that 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.400 are coming up around it. People are just having a 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.680 lot of fun with it too. There's memes and there's 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.120 you know, YouTube channels and think pieces and it's just 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.720 it's wonderful. It's absolutely wonderful that this show his started 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.359 a cultural conversation or continued one, or is gotten people 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.480 thinking and talking in such interesting and diverse ways. It's 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.440 very exciting. I agree. And and this show is special 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.080 in the sense that there's enough levity where we can 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.519 create memes and have fun with it, but then they're 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.560 also at the heart of the story or serious conversation starters. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.400 And in terms of how you captured Casey, we had 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.600 her on the show. She is really fantastic human being, 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.760 and I'd love to know, firstly, tell me your impressions 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.040 of her when you first met that pressure that you 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.840 felt when you thought, Okay, here's this person. I have 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.280 to find a way to embody her, but also leave 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.240 room for my own invention on screen. What did you 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.360 first think of her when you met? It was interesting 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.160 because when I by the time I finally met Casey, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.760 I had watched hours a video of her. What's beautiful 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.600 about YouTube is that there's this plethora of information on people. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:25.239 And she has been a trainer, you know, for thirty years, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.239 and there's workout videos of her on YouTube. I actually, um, 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:30.880 oh my god, what was it called? I forget what 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.600 it's called. She to workout video that's only available on VHS, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.160 and I found it on Amazon and ordered it, and 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.160 I didn't had to find a VHS player, but I did. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.400 I couldn't, so I got the VHS transfer to digital 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.840 so I could watch the workout tape and so and 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.200 then she had been interviewed by the Writer's Room, So 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.960 there was like, I think an hour long interview that 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.000 I got. I watched. I watched tons of video of 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.119 Casey before I met her, and so I had ideas. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.880 And then I met her, and she was so so effervescent, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.480 you know, and Elwood says, and um, the first legally 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.440 blonde that, like, you know, she couldn't kill someone. People 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.680 who work out have endorphins. They don't kill people. I 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.240 was thinking that, like, you know, Casey, because she works 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.960 that all the time, she has other endorphins, and so 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.760 she was just so like energetic and positive and effervescent. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.400 She was like, is actually effervescent? She really is, And 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.320 there could be something to that endorphin theory because she's 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.039 constantly high on life. Yeah yeah, And I mean she's 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.560 working all the time. And I met her in the 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.839 lobby of her building, and then just her the way 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.800 she related to the door people, and she's just so 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.440 kind to everyone. And then you know, we worked out together. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.799 But then it was interesting after we left the workout 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.000 and we went we were going to lunch together, and 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.080 everyone knew her. They're like, Hi, Casey, We're walking down 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.240 the street and she's so friendly, and I'm very like, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.159 I don't talk to strangers, you know, in the street. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.039 I'm very sort of protected and very to leave me alone, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:06.159 and I'm very boundary. But Casey's just out and just 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.680 happy and people know her and people were saying hi, 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.360 like everyone, how you doing, And she's like, hey, there 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.960 was these relationships with just people like just as she's 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.919 just walking to Hala taxi and then the restaurant we 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.320 went to, everyone knew were there and it was so lovely. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.480 And so it was just interesting feeling like the effervescence 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.719 of this woman who just has this positivity that like 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.400 surrounds her and that she's obviously putting on and like 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.200 it was it was coming back to her. It's just 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.480 interesting watching the positivity come back to her that she's 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.760 obviously been putting out and earned. There are many fascinating things. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.920 I mean, I just and then we had a four 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.320 hour lunch where we where she told me her life stories. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:49.960 What did you guys eat at this four hour lunch? 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.760 Because she spoke about it too, and I wanted to know, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.280 what are you eating at this lunch? You know, she's 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.920 very fitness conscious. I think she had like she had 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.440 a salad. I think in some fish. She had like 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.039 fish and a salad. I had approached because I'm not 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.599 doing fish right now. I think I had like a 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.280 steak or something. And then there was there was white wine, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.240 of course, obviously because the people at the restaurant know 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.360 she knows the owners. They were very generous and they 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.280 kept refilling. I think she needed, you know, some liquid 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.000 courage to go where she went. In our conversation, she 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:28.120 was very it was raw. It was very encompassing. Like 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.120 we started with her childhood. We started with her love 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.040 of dance that you know, turned into her love for fitness. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.760 We talked about her first marriage and moving to Europe 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.119 and when we went and we talked about her her mother, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:41.960 and we talked about there are a lot of things 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.839 that feel personal that I just would never feel comfortable sharing. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.479 But she it was very very intimate and very real, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:53.080 and I'm really grateful for that, because there were moments. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.120 She's been through some things, she's had a life, and 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.160 it's effervescent in as positive is she as She's had 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.160 a challenging life, and she's been through some things, and 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.600 there was so many beautiful moments that she shared. It's 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.040 just such an honor. I don't know why I'm getting emotionally, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.720 she says, an honor for someone to um to sit 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.240 with you and share so much, well, to trust you 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.000 with it too, I think, to trust me with it. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.480 It just feels very there's nothing very sacred about it, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.000 and I'm just I'm really honored. I'm very honored that 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.600 she trusted me and she shared all of that and 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.400 I used it in the work. He was invaluable. It 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.240 was invaluable that conversation. How much of what you heard 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.800 Casey share resonated with you and your experiences? You're someone 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:38.800 I think a lot of us look to for wisdom 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.800 and inspiration. You've been very open about your own struggles 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.480 and feeling comfortable with yourself now at the stage of 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.560 your life. How much of what she shared did you feel, Gosh, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:56.320 I really understand that a very organic intersection is Casey spirituality. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.760 Casey's understanding that there is an energy that bigger than her. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.600 To you, she talks about the universe, and so that 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.520 to me that I feel that, I feel like I'm 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.920 in the core of who I am. Casey has done 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.920 a lot of work to be in a healed space, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.080 and I've done a lot of work to be in 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.160 a healed space. It's done a lot of work to 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:23.320 not be reactive, to find the lesson in something, to 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:28.040 be of service. Casey's life is service, really, it really is. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.320 And so Casey more so than me, I'm trying to 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.800 be a little more selfish and a little more because 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.880 I've given so much sometimes that I haven't had anything 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.560 left for myself. And I think Casey has been there too. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.080 I think that's part of how she ended up in 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.880 this situation with Anna, that she gives once she takes 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.840 on a client. I don't want to say it looks 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.679 like her children, but sort of. You know, she's very 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.920 she wants people to win, and she wants to be there, 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.720 and she wants to be a service. And I think 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.040 she and I both have in common that we've been 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.199 in situations where we want to be of service so badly, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.360 and we allow people with not the best of intention 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.480 to take advantage of that right, and you do open 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.480 yourself up to be sapped a little bit of your 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.280 own strength because you're giving, giving, giving, And when she 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.160 talked about her approach to training, isn't just about losing 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.160 weight or getting fit. She's targeting the whole person, the 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:33.439 holistic experience. It's about mindset, motivation, movement. And the mindset 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.720 is you know, how you think about yourself, what is 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.040 your relationship to your body? That that changing the reframing, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.120 you know, instead of I hate this about myself, this 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:44.560 is the thing I want to work on, but I 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.280 have to love this. And then motivation what gets me 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.200 out of out of bed every day to do it? 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.959 And then finally the movement. Um, I'm sorry, I like it. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.560 Spent a lot of time with crazy stuff. We're taking 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:09.680 a short break, but please stay too, and hey, thanks 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:17.400 for sticking around. Now back to the interview. It's interesting, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.640 there's a there's a lot of Overlapman, how are you 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.840 approach acting how she approaches training. It's not just this 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.760 mental exercise, it's a full body investment. So tell me 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.040 when you invested your own body and becoming fit for 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:31.679 this part, which you have said you've never had a 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.839 role where you had to be physically fit because you're 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.800 playing a trainer. How are you using some of her 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.600 approach to approach your own fitness, which was probably pretty rigorous. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:45.080 I'm guessing what was interesting for me about I mean, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.040 it just be really real. I kind of got lucky. 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.199 I got um. I haven't talked about this publicly. I 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:59.719 got sick at the end of twenty eighteen and just 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.880 ated losing weight. And I just started losing weight, Like 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.679 I lost fifteen pounds in a month, and I was 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.400 really ill. That's scary. I was tested for everything, and 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.480 we figured out what was going on. And I won't 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.280 say publicly, but I got really sick and I just 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.800 started losing weight. And the weird thing about losing weight 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.960 is that, for me and probably for a lot of 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.200 women and some men as well, is that like, I'm 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.800 sick and I'm losing weight and I don't have no 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.120 idea why, and I'm not really doing anything. And I 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:34.079 also was loving losing weight because clothes were fitting better. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.440 And I mean twenty nineteen was the first year I 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.600 was able to wear samples to the Emmys. For example, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.320 I was we still had to alter with the samples. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.880 I didn't get that skinny, I mean skinny for me. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.480 But so when I started working on Casey, I was 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.680 getting better, but I lost all this weight. And so 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.000 when I had trained with Casey, it was really about toning. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.160 So I took some of Casey's exercises. Casey is about 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.000 you know, muscle fiber targeting, you know, and toning and 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.520 lengthening and elongating, having sine with muscles, you know. I 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.679 watched her workout videos obviously trained with her. So I 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.880 was going to work out in the gym here and 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.199 I was going back and forth. And then when when 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.959 I was traveling a lot, I was just it became 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.400 easier to just have weights. So I started traveling with 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.439 weights in my luggage. I had five in tin pound weights. 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:25.000 That's probably pretty heavy. No, yes, I wasn't carrying like 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.640 we have drivers caring the luggage. You know, people at 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.240 the airport they're like what do you have in here? 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.080 We're like waits, and I'm like um. So I started 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.000 traveling with five and tin pound weights, and so I 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.400 would do wake up and do a little cardio and 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.920 then I really started. I really went in on weights 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.600 and like a lot of stomach stuff, a lot of stretching. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.400 I was really obsessed with, like abs, like case these 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.680 abs are like insane. So and then but it became 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.840 part of the character. I just remember being in Morocco 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:57.800 and like waking up and doing weights, and it just 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.120 like it just felt like Casey, Like this is what 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.600 Casey would do, you know, like she it felt very 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.959 I've never like worked out that much, you know, like 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.320 just really like except when I was dancing back in 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.040 the day, when I was dancing six hours a day, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:16.240 but as an adult, I've never consistently woken up and 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.040 done weights and at lunch doing weights, and at night 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.719 before bed like doing weights. Like it was that kind 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.400 of thing. So I think I don't think it was 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.880 about It wasn't about how I looked it. Really. I 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.320 think it was just about that kind of um because 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.679 I with a sports psychologists as well, because there was 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.480 a part of me. It's very important for actress not 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.360 to judge our characters, so it was a part of 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.200 me that was a little bit in judgment of like 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.960 Casey's positivity and her effervescence, right her and right, I 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.600 was gonna ask you about that. How did you get 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.400 over that skepticism? Initially, I remember something Casey said to me. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.240 She did bigness competitions when she was younger, and I 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.800 just started to think of her. I mean, she's, you know, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.160 sixty five years sixty six years old now and in 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.920 impectable shape. And I was like, oh, she's an elite athlete. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.040 This is a woman who's an elite athlete. Elite athletes 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.079 have a different mindset. I found a sports psychologist. I 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.680 had a recommendation from my therapist and found the sports psychologist. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.960 We did like three sessions and I really just kind 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.520 of wanted to get a sense of like how elite 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.880 athletes think and what their process is like. And that 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.960 really got me over the hump. I was just like, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.880 this woman is an asks an athlete. You have to 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:29.680 have a mindset that is positive, that is affirming, that 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.520 motivates you. There's really no time to like spend too 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.840 much time in negativity or cynicism or because I have 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.720 I'm kind of cynical. Um, there's no time for that. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.680 Really when you're training, when you have to make physical 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.520 goals and right either you you know, stick the landing 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.960 or you don't. Either you make the basket or you 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.680 whatever the sport is, you know, you hit the ace 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:56.400 or you don't. In tennis, that sports psychology piece really 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.600 helped me just like go in and just be like, 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.560 this is what it is, without judgment. I love that, 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.560 and I also just want to say I'm glad you're better. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.080 Even though it's fun to lose weight, and where smaller 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.720 size clothing, health is number one. So and what was 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.240 Steve too is that people were like, girl, you're losing weight, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.520 you look sickly, you look snatched online and I was 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.680 just like wow, And I didn't say anything at the time, 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.120 and it was just really interesting how we celebrate people 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.040 being thick and we don't know we just celebrate weight loss, 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.320 and we don't know what people are going through when 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.960 they're losing weight. I know I think about this a lot, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.320 and I always try to compliment people if I've sense 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.200 that they look thinner, I'll say you look very fit 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.920 or you look healthy. I really try to stay away 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.360 from those quote unquote compliments because they we don't know 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.240 what's going on with someone. So thank you for sharing 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.880 your story. I'd like to talk about Casey's dynamic with Anna, 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.960 which obviously is so complex and transactional in nature we 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.240 come to see throughout the show. How much of that 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.400 aspect of their relationship do you think blinded Casey to 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.200 Anna and her real intentions. Obviously, the you know, the 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.960 first deposit, the check cleared, she out of package of 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.360 workout sessions. So that cleared, So she was like, okay, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.760 well I got my money, you know, for that first session, 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.600 the only money she got. And so there was that piece, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.320 and then she just saw this spoiled girl who she 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.520 assumed was an heiress. But she had this great idea. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.200 What Casey said to me is that, you know, I 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.280 liked she didn't wanted to be an Instagram model, that 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.120 she wanted to build a business, and so let's help 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.920 her because it's I mean, the it's the workout piece, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.280 but it's also months at motivation movement, and it's all 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.200 connected for Casey. For Casey, it's like, this is my job. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.200 So she's I've been asked to go to Morocco to 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.280 train people. It is not unusual for Casey to be 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.240 flown places to train folks. She told me this wonderful 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.560 story about when um I think it was the year. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.600 I think that didn't Sel Washington won the Oscar for 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.200 training day because you know, she trained, didn't sell and 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.960 mini movies. They had flown her out to Los Angeles 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:55.960 and put her up at the Sunset Tower. And she 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.120 said she had five Oscar nominees that she had didn't 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.000 sell Julian or Diane Lane, oh my god, and somebody 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.720 else I forget. So they put her up at the 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.560 Sunset Tower when she was training people. So this is 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.040 her life, you know, her traveling to train clients is 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.080 none of this is unusual. So I think for Casey 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.480 she wanted to be of service. Once she takes on someone, 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.440 she wants the best for you. She like genuinely wants that. 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.040 And she really wanted that for Anna. And I think 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.600 the moment when um Anna ends up, you know, sleeping 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.960 over her apartment that night, she couldn't possibly let her 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.720 that girl go. What if she harmed herself. It's very intense, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.440 and like obviously people like Anna manipulate people and play 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.160 on their feelings and play on their find their weakness 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.800 and Casey's weaknesses that she wants to help people. She 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.000 wants to be of service, so right, which can be 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.080 a wonderful quality, but it really does open you up 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:54.200 to potential harm. Yeah, but what is beautiful. We see 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.560 in this series that Casey was able to set boundaries. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.920 Casey was able to be like, okay, wait, no, yes, okay, 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.480 it gets to a point Casey and I had this 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.760 in comment too, it can get to a point where 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.800 I'm okay, no, we're saying them boundaries here right. There's 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.119 this great scene in episode two, which of course we're 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.320 jumping back and forth and in the time continuum, and 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.959 this is when Casey is telling Nef about setting her 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.560 own boundaries when Anna's in prison, and she's saying, you know, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.400 the person who's sitting at Rikers is not the person 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.440 we thought we knew, and Adelphi doesn't exist. That person 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.679 new Rikers is somebody else, somebody who was pretending to 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.199 be an Adelphi. And it seems like for even though 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.920 we haven't seen the full trajectory of Casey's story yet, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.520 we sense early on, oh, this woman is kind of 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.880 having to teach the younger women to not be so trusting. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.080 Tell me about that interplay between Casey and Nothing. That scene, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.040 it was such a juicy scene for me. That person 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.399 sitting and its sale maybe a made of character. It 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.439 was just so it was such good writing and I 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.760 just remember prepping the scene with a coach and just 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.800 having a lot of fun. And we tried it a 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:09.040 lot of different ways, and um, Tom was so amazing 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.120 and directing that scene. I love being directed by actors. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.600 He just gave me such fun things to play with 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.560 and try. I have I have no idea which take 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.160 they use. This is the fun of doing multiple tastes. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.440 It's like not in my hands anymore. It's just like 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.159 it's in the director's, in the editor's hands. So it 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.160 was just I had fun preparing, I had fun on 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.320 set with it. And I think it may have been 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:37.240 Alexis and I think was our first scene together. She's 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:43.000 just so amazing. What an amazingly talented young woman. Oh 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.399 what a joy was just doing scenes with her. And 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.040 just I love talent. I really, really really love talent. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.840 I love young talent, you know, young talent that is 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.560 fresh but cultivated. She has a skill set, it's not 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.200 raw talented, is cultivated talent. She also has an amazing 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.159 wisdom and grounded nous. Speaking to her, I felt like 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.520 I was speaking to a seasoned, you know, thirty professional. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.480 You do feel that when you talked to her behind 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.160 the scene and she played I believe she played violin 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.120 as a child. I don't know. Yeah, And she's a musician, 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.320 and you can really tell she's a full, full fledged artist. 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:22.440 But the discipline of studying anything classically is so useful 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.080 that discipline will serve you, and it served her really well. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.600 She was so professional on set, and she apparently has 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.679 perfect pitch, which I am so jealous. She said she 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:34.520 had a perfect pitch and I was like, and I 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.520 was saying, I know, because I mean I have sometimes 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:39.639 I have decent relative pitch, like I can usually pull 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:52.800 an app out of my out of my um, yeah, 0:20:52.840 --> 0:21:00.000 it was an app for the record everyone. I'm like, okay, 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.600 I think I haven't eff in my head, so I 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.879 say I think an effort her and I was like, 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.080 what note is this? It was brilliant. She was like, 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.040 it's fluctuating between E and F shot with the vibrato, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:17.320 and I was like, work, I'm sorry, I'm a world 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:21.159 class neer and like so many ways. Well, you know, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.439 you may become the casey of acting coaching for the 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.080 younger generation, so keep working on that. I see this 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.720 as the next phase of your career. I'm obsessed with 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.320 the with the craft part of it. I'm obsessed with 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.679 the process part of it. So um, I'd love to 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:41.600 talk about episode six, the Morocco episode, which is Casey's 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.680 episode and her crazy experience on the quote unquote vacation 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.679 that turned out to not be a vacation. There's a 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.320 great scene when Casey and No are talking in Casey saying, oh, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.760 you'll have a great experience. The universe provides what you're 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.760