1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Inventing Anna the Official Podcast is a production of Shondaland 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio. Welcome to Inventing 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Anna the Official Podcast, your exclusive look inside the making 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: of the Shondaland series on Netflix. I'm your host Stacy 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Wilson Hunt and Today on the show, I talked trauma, mantros, 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and feminism with Emmy winner Laverne Cox, who plays Casey Duke, 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Anna's personal trainer. Laverne digs into how she overcame initial 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: skepticism of her character's unbridled positivity and how Casey Duke 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: became not only her friend but a continued inspiration. Oh 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: and she also sings for us. More on that a 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: bit later. Hi, Laverne, It's so nice to have you 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: on the podcast. How are you good. It's nice to 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: be interviewed again. I've been doing the interviewing um a 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: lot lately. That's the other end. Yes, that's true. Now 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: you know how hard this job is, right, Yes? I do. 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: And I'm just generally speaking. How have you seen Inventing 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: Anna received in your world? It's really created a lot 18 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: of buzz, a lot of conversation. What's it felt like 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: on Urine it's felt magical. If I have to be honest, 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: I think we would number one on Netflix for two weeks. Yes, 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: very very much, most viewed show in a week in 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: Netflix history. That's incredible. I've gotten messages from people I 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: haven't heard from in years who are watching and loving 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: the show and loving my character. The best thing has 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: been Casey's response. She sent me flowers after she saw 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the whole series, and this has been so complimentary. She said, 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: I killed it. One of her friends, apparently of twenty years, 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: tweeted me saying that they've known Casey for twenty years 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: and said, I nailed it. And so that has been, 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: um the most gratifying part of this. I felt a 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: lot of pressure playing a real life person and a 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of responsibility to have or be happy to have 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: her friends and people who love her see Casey in 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: my portrayal is really the highest compliment. So yeah, everything 35 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: else is kind of gravy, but it's just it's beautiful 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: that people are watching, and I love the discussions that 37 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: are coming up around it. People are just having a 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: lot of fun with it too. There's memes and there's 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, YouTube channels and think pieces and it's just 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: it's wonderful. It's absolutely wonderful that this show his started 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: a cultural conversation or continued one, or is gotten people 42 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: thinking and talking in such interesting and diverse ways. It's 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: very exciting. I agree. And and this show is special 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: in the sense that there's enough levity where we can 45 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: create memes and have fun with it, but then they're 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: also at the heart of the story or serious conversation starters. 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: And in terms of how you captured Casey, we had 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: her on the show. She is really fantastic human being, 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: and I'd love to know, firstly, tell me your impressions 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: of her when you first met that pressure that you 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: felt when you thought, Okay, here's this person. I have 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: to find a way to embody her, but also leave 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: room for my own invention on screen. What did you 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: first think of her when you met? It was interesting 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: because when I by the time I finally met Casey, 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: I had watched hours a video of her. What's beautiful 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: about YouTube is that there's this plethora of information on people. 58 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: And she has been a trainer, you know, for thirty years, 59 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: and there's workout videos of her on YouTube. I actually, um, 60 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, what was it called? I forget what 61 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: it's called. She to workout video that's only available on VHS, 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and I found it on Amazon and ordered it, and 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: I didn't had to find a VHS player, but I did. 64 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't, so I got the VHS transfer to digital 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: so I could watch the workout tape and so and 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: then she had been interviewed by the Writer's Room, So 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: there was like, I think an hour long interview that 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: I got. I watched. I watched tons of video of 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,119 Speaker 1: Casey before I met her, and so I had ideas. 70 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: And then I met her, and she was so so effervescent, 71 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, and Elwood says, and um, the first legally 72 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: blonde that, like, you know, she couldn't kill someone. People 73 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: who work out have endorphins. They don't kill people. I 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: was thinking that, like, you know, Casey, because she works 75 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: that all the time, she has other endorphins, and so 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: she was just so like energetic and positive and effervescent. 77 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: She was like, is actually effervescent? She really is, And 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: there could be something to that endorphin theory because she's 79 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: constantly high on life. Yeah yeah, And I mean she's 80 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: working all the time. And I met her in the 81 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: lobby of her building, and then just her the way 82 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: she related to the door people, and she's just so 83 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: kind to everyone. And then you know, we worked out together. 84 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: But then it was interesting after we left the workout 85 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: and we went we were going to lunch together, and 86 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: everyone knew her. They're like, Hi, Casey, We're walking down 87 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: the street and she's so friendly, and I'm very like, 88 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: I don't talk to strangers, you know, in the street. 89 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: I'm very sort of protected and very to leave me alone, 90 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: and I'm very boundary. But Casey's just out and just 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: happy and people know her and people were saying hi, 92 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: like everyone, how you doing, And she's like, hey, there 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: was these relationships with just people like just as she's 94 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: just walking to Hala taxi and then the restaurant we 95 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: went to, everyone knew were there and it was so lovely. 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: And so it was just interesting feeling like the effervescence 97 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: of this woman who just has this positivity that like 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: surrounds her and that she's obviously putting on and like 99 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: it was it was coming back to her. It's just 100 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: interesting watching the positivity come back to her that she's 101 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: obviously been putting out and earned. There are many fascinating things. 102 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I just and then we had a four 103 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: hour lunch where we where she told me her life stories. 104 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: What did you guys eat at this four hour lunch? 105 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: Because she spoke about it too, and I wanted to know, 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: what are you eating at this lunch? You know, she's 107 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: very fitness conscious. I think she had like she had 108 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: a salad. I think in some fish. She had like 109 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: fish and a salad. I had approached because I'm not 110 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: doing fish right now. I think I had like a 111 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: steak or something. And then there was there was white wine, 112 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: of course, obviously because the people at the restaurant know 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: she knows the owners. They were very generous and they 114 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: kept refilling. I think she needed, you know, some liquid 115 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: courage to go where she went. In our conversation, she 116 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: was very it was raw. It was very encompassing. Like 117 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: we started with her childhood. We started with her love 118 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: of dance that you know, turned into her love for fitness. 119 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: We talked about her first marriage and moving to Europe 120 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 1: and when we went and we talked about her her mother, 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: and we talked about there are a lot of things 122 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: that feel personal that I just would never feel comfortable sharing. 123 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: But she it was very very intimate and very real, 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: and I'm really grateful for that, because there were moments. 125 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: She's been through some things, she's had a life, and 126 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: it's effervescent in as positive is she as She's had 127 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: a challenging life, and she's been through some things, and 128 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: there was so many beautiful moments that she shared. It's 129 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: just such an honor. I don't know why I'm getting emotionally, 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: she says, an honor for someone to um to sit 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: with you and share so much, well, to trust you 132 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: with it too, I think, to trust me with it. 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: It just feels very there's nothing very sacred about it, 134 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm really honored. I'm very honored that 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: she trusted me and she shared all of that and 136 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I used it in the work. He was invaluable. It 137 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: was invaluable that conversation. How much of what you heard 138 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: Casey share resonated with you and your experiences? You're someone 139 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us look to for wisdom 140 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: and inspiration. You've been very open about your own struggles 141 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: and feeling comfortable with yourself now at the stage of 142 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: your life. How much of what she shared did you feel, Gosh, 143 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: I really understand that a very organic intersection is Casey spirituality. 144 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: Casey's understanding that there is an energy that bigger than her. 145 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: To you, she talks about the universe, and so that 146 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: to me that I feel that, I feel like I'm 147 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: in the core of who I am. Casey has done 148 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: a lot of work to be in a healed space, 149 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: and I've done a lot of work to be in 150 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: a healed space. It's done a lot of work to 151 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: not be reactive, to find the lesson in something, to 152 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: be of service. Casey's life is service, really, it really is. 153 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: And so Casey more so than me, I'm trying to 154 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: be a little more selfish and a little more because 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I've given so much sometimes that I haven't had anything 156 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: left for myself. And I think Casey has been there too. 157 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: I think that's part of how she ended up in 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: this situation with Anna, that she gives once she takes 159 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: on a client. I don't want to say it looks 160 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: like her children, but sort of. You know, she's very 161 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: she wants people to win, and she wants to be there, 162 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: and she wants to be a service. And I think 163 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: she and I both have in common that we've been 164 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: in situations where we want to be of service so badly, 165 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: and we allow people with not the best of intention 166 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: to take advantage of that right, and you do open 167 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: yourself up to be sapped a little bit of your 168 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: own strength because you're giving, giving, giving, And when she 169 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: talked about her approach to training, isn't just about losing 170 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: weight or getting fit. She's targeting the whole person, the 171 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: holistic experience. It's about mindset, motivation, movement. And the mindset 172 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: is you know, how you think about yourself, what is 173 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: your relationship to your body? That that changing the reframing, 174 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, instead of I hate this about myself, this 175 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: is the thing I want to work on, but I 176 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: have to love this. And then motivation what gets me 177 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: out of out of bed every day to do it? 178 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: And then finally the movement. Um, I'm sorry, I like it. 179 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: Spent a lot of time with crazy stuff. We're taking 180 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: a short break, but please stay too, and hey, thanks 181 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: for sticking around. Now back to the interview. It's interesting, 182 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of Overlapman, how are you 183 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: approach acting how she approaches training. It's not just this 184 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: mental exercise, it's a full body investment. So tell me 185 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: when you invested your own body and becoming fit for 186 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: this part, which you have said you've never had a 187 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: role where you had to be physically fit because you're 188 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: playing a trainer. How are you using some of her 189 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: approach to approach your own fitness, which was probably pretty rigorous. 190 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm guessing what was interesting for me about I mean, 191 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: it just be really real. I kind of got lucky. 192 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: I got um. I haven't talked about this publicly. I 193 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: got sick at the end of twenty eighteen and just 194 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: ated losing weight. And I just started losing weight, Like 195 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: I lost fifteen pounds in a month, and I was 196 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: really ill. That's scary. I was tested for everything, and 197 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: we figured out what was going on. And I won't 198 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: say publicly, but I got really sick and I just 199 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: started losing weight. And the weird thing about losing weight 200 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: is that, for me and probably for a lot of 201 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: women and some men as well, is that like, I'm 202 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: sick and I'm losing weight and I don't have no 203 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: idea why, and I'm not really doing anything. And I 204 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: also was loving losing weight because clothes were fitting better. 205 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: And I mean twenty nineteen was the first year I 206 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: was able to wear samples to the Emmys. For example, 207 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: I was we still had to alter with the samples. 208 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: I didn't get that skinny, I mean skinny for me. 209 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: But so when I started working on Casey, I was 210 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: getting better, but I lost all this weight. And so 211 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: when I had trained with Casey, it was really about toning. 212 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: So I took some of Casey's exercises. Casey is about 213 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, muscle fiber targeting, you know, and toning and 214 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: lengthening and elongating, having sine with muscles, you know. I 215 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: watched her workout videos obviously trained with her. So I 216 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: was going to work out in the gym here and 217 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: I was going back and forth. And then when when 218 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: I was traveling a lot, I was just it became 219 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: easier to just have weights. So I started traveling with 220 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: weights in my luggage. I had five in tin pound weights. 221 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: That's probably pretty heavy. No, yes, I wasn't carrying like 222 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: we have drivers caring the luggage. You know, people at 223 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: the airport they're like what do you have in here? 224 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: We're like waits, and I'm like um. So I started 225 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: traveling with five and tin pound weights, and so I 226 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: would do wake up and do a little cardio and 227 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: then I really started. I really went in on weights 228 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: and like a lot of stomach stuff, a lot of stretching. 229 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: I was really obsessed with, like abs, like case these 230 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: abs are like insane. So and then but it became 231 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: part of the character. I just remember being in Morocco 232 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: and like waking up and doing weights, and it just 233 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: like it just felt like Casey, Like this is what 234 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: Casey would do, you know, like she it felt very 235 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: I've never like worked out that much, you know, like 236 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: just really like except when I was dancing back in 237 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: the day, when I was dancing six hours a day, 238 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: but as an adult, I've never consistently woken up and 239 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: done weights and at lunch doing weights, and at night 240 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: before bed like doing weights. Like it was that kind 241 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: of thing. So I think I don't think it was 242 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: about It wasn't about how I looked it. Really. I 243 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: think it was just about that kind of um because 244 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: I with a sports psychologists as well, because there was 245 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: a part of me. It's very important for actress not 246 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: to judge our characters, so it was a part of 247 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: me that was a little bit in judgment of like 248 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: Casey's positivity and her effervescence, right her and right, I 249 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: was gonna ask you about that. How did you get 250 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: over that skepticism? Initially, I remember something Casey said to me. 251 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: She did bigness competitions when she was younger, and I 252 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: just started to think of her. I mean, she's, you know, 253 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: sixty five years sixty six years old now and in 254 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: impectable shape. And I was like, oh, she's an elite athlete. 255 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: This is a woman who's an elite athlete. Elite athletes 256 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: have a different mindset. I found a sports psychologist. I 257 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: had a recommendation from my therapist and found the sports psychologist. 258 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: We did like three sessions and I really just kind 259 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: of wanted to get a sense of like how elite 260 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: athletes think and what their process is like. And that 261 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: really got me over the hump. I was just like, 262 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: this woman is an asks an athlete. You have to 263 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: have a mindset that is positive, that is affirming, that 264 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: motivates you. There's really no time to like spend too 265 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: much time in negativity or cynicism or because I have 266 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm kind of cynical. Um, there's no time for that. 267 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: Really when you're training, when you have to make physical 268 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: goals and right either you you know, stick the landing 269 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: or you don't. Either you make the basket or you 270 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: whatever the sport is, you know, you hit the ace 271 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: or you don't. In tennis, that sports psychology piece really 272 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: helped me just like go in and just be like, 273 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: this is what it is, without judgment. I love that, 274 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: and I also just want to say I'm glad you're better. 275 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: Even though it's fun to lose weight, and where smaller 276 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: size clothing, health is number one. So and what was 277 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: Steve too is that people were like, girl, you're losing weight, 278 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: you look sickly, you look snatched online and I was 279 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: just like wow, And I didn't say anything at the time, 280 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: and it was just really interesting how we celebrate people 281 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: being thick and we don't know we just celebrate weight loss, 282 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: and we don't know what people are going through when 283 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: they're losing weight. I know I think about this a lot, 284 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: and I always try to compliment people if I've sense 285 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: that they look thinner, I'll say you look very fit 286 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: or you look healthy. I really try to stay away 287 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: from those quote unquote compliments because they we don't know 288 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: what's going on with someone. So thank you for sharing 289 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: your story. I'd like to talk about Casey's dynamic with Anna, 290 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: which obviously is so complex and transactional in nature we 291 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: come to see throughout the show. How much of that 292 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: aspect of their relationship do you think blinded Casey to 293 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: Anna and her real intentions. Obviously, the you know, the 294 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: first deposit, the check cleared, she out of package of 295 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: workout sessions. So that cleared, So she was like, okay, 296 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: well I got my money, you know, for that first session, 297 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: the only money she got. And so there was that piece, 298 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: and then she just saw this spoiled girl who she 299 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: assumed was an heiress. But she had this great idea. 300 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: What Casey said to me is that, you know, I 301 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: liked she didn't wanted to be an Instagram model, that 302 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: she wanted to build a business, and so let's help 303 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: her because it's I mean, the it's the workout piece, 304 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: but it's also months at motivation movement, and it's all 305 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: connected for Casey. For Casey, it's like, this is my job. 306 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: So she's I've been asked to go to Morocco to 307 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: train people. It is not unusual for Casey to be 308 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: flown places to train folks. She told me this wonderful 309 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: story about when um I think it was the year. 310 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: I think that didn't Sel Washington won the Oscar for 311 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: training day because you know, she trained, didn't sell and 312 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: mini movies. They had flown her out to Los Angeles 313 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: and put her up at the Sunset Tower. And she 314 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: said she had five Oscar nominees that she had didn't 315 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: sell Julian or Diane Lane, oh my god, and somebody 316 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: else I forget. So they put her up at the 317 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: Sunset Tower when she was training people. So this is 318 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: her life, you know, her traveling to train clients is 319 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: none of this is unusual. So I think for Casey 320 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: she wanted to be of service. Once she takes on someone, 321 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: she wants the best for you. She like genuinely wants that. 322 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: And she really wanted that for Anna. And I think 323 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: the moment when um Anna ends up, you know, sleeping 324 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: over her apartment that night, she couldn't possibly let her 325 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: that girl go. What if she harmed herself. It's very intense, 326 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: and like obviously people like Anna manipulate people and play 327 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: on their feelings and play on their find their weakness 328 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: and Casey's weaknesses that she wants to help people. She 329 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: wants to be of service, so right, which can be 330 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: a wonderful quality, but it really does open you up 331 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: to potential harm. Yeah, but what is beautiful. We see 332 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: in this series that Casey was able to set boundaries. 333 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: Casey was able to be like, okay, wait, no, yes, okay, 334 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: it gets to a point Casey and I had this 335 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: in comment too, it can get to a point where 336 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm okay, no, we're saying them boundaries here right. There's 337 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: this great scene in episode two, which of course we're 338 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: jumping back and forth and in the time continuum, and 339 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: this is when Casey is telling Nef about setting her 340 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: own boundaries when Anna's in prison, and she's saying, you know, 341 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: the person who's sitting at Rikers is not the person 342 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: we thought we knew, and Adelphi doesn't exist. That person 343 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: new Rikers is somebody else, somebody who was pretending to 344 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: be an Adelphi. And it seems like for even though 345 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: we haven't seen the full trajectory of Casey's story yet, 346 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: we sense early on, oh, this woman is kind of 347 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: having to teach the younger women to not be so trusting. 348 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: Tell me about that interplay between Casey and Nothing. That scene, 349 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: it was such a juicy scene for me. That person 350 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: sitting and its sale maybe a made of character. It 351 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: was just so it was such good writing and I 352 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: just remember prepping the scene with a coach and just 353 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun. And we tried it a 354 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: lot of different ways, and um, Tom was so amazing 355 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: and directing that scene. I love being directed by actors. 356 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: He just gave me such fun things to play with 357 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: and try. I have I have no idea which take 358 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: they use. This is the fun of doing multiple tastes. 359 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: It's like not in my hands anymore. It's just like 360 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: it's in the director's, in the editor's hands. So it 361 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: was just I had fun preparing, I had fun on 362 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: set with it. And I think it may have been 363 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: Alexis and I think was our first scene together. She's 364 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: just so amazing. What an amazingly talented young woman. Oh 365 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: what a joy was just doing scenes with her. And 366 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: just I love talent. I really, really really love talent. 367 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: I love young talent, you know, young talent that is 368 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: fresh but cultivated. She has a skill set, it's not 369 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: raw talented, is cultivated talent. She also has an amazing 370 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: wisdom and grounded nous. Speaking to her, I felt like 371 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: I was speaking to a seasoned, you know, thirty professional. 372 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: You do feel that when you talked to her behind 373 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: the scene and she played I believe she played violin 374 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: as a child. I don't know. Yeah, And she's a musician, 375 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: and you can really tell she's a full, full fledged artist. 376 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: But the discipline of studying anything classically is so useful 377 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: that discipline will serve you, and it served her really well. 378 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: She was so professional on set, and she apparently has 379 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: perfect pitch, which I am so jealous. She said she 380 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: had a perfect pitch and I was like, and I 381 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: was saying, I know, because I mean I have sometimes 382 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: I have decent relative pitch, like I can usually pull 383 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: an app out of my out of my um, yeah, 384 00:20:52,840 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: it was an app for the record everyone. I'm like, okay, 385 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: I think I haven't eff in my head, so I 386 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: say I think an effort her and I was like, 387 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: what note is this? It was brilliant. She was like, 388 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: it's fluctuating between E and F shot with the vibrato, 389 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, work, I'm sorry, I'm a world 390 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: class neer and like so many ways. Well, you know, 391 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: you may become the casey of acting coaching for the 392 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: younger generation, so keep working on that. I see this 393 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: as the next phase of your career. I'm obsessed with 394 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: the with the craft part of it. I'm obsessed with 395 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: the process part of it. So um, I'd love to 396 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: talk about episode six, the Morocco episode, which is Casey's 397 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: episode and her crazy experience on the quote unquote vacation 398 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: that turned out to not be a vacation. There's a 399 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: great scene when Casey and No are talking in Casey saying, oh, 400 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: you'll have a great experience. The universe provides what you're 401 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: meant to have and what are you meant to have? 402 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: M hm, three pounds off Anna a vacation and do 403 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: you think she was enjoying for the first time in 404 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: her life? This idea like I'm just going to be 405 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: carefree and feel young for a weekend, not be so 406 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: tied down with rigor and discipline, and just sort of 407 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: have fun. Casey has fun. No, case of my understanding 408 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: and you spoke to her, They of my understanding is 409 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: a woman who has fun. The case of my understand 410 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: is a woman who enjoys life. So this No, this 411 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: is a job Morocco, wonderful, La Mommonia, Wow, gorgeous, But 412 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: this is a job for her, and she definitely looks 413 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: at it as a job, and that's maybe the dissonance 414 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: she feels where she's starting to feel, what is my 415 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: role here? You know, she's done some work with Anna, 416 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: and she's starting to question what is my interaction with 417 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: this person? And maybe that's where it starts to unravel 418 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: for her. I think too, it's she's just trying to 419 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: make the most of it. I think Casey is like, 420 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: this is awkward af a lot. Let's just make the 421 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: most of it. I'm here. You know. It's like she's peacemakers. 422 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: She's like, let's chill and have fun. Um that this 423 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: situation couldn't be paid right obviously, right, it became a 424 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: bit untenable for her to even fix. Right. Yeah, Okay, everybody, 425 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. Hey, Stacy 426 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: here again back to the interview, and one of my 427 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: other favorite moments for Casey is in the finale episode 428 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: nine called Dangerously Close, where Casey confronts Rachel at the 429 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: courthouse about the fact that she concealed her involvement in 430 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: Anna's ultimate arrest. I feel used by the police, by 431 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, I feel used by are you thinking you're 432 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: some kind of victim in all this taking care of you. 433 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: I am a victim in all of this. At least 434 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: you get to cry into all that money. It's like 435 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: you have plenty leftover even after you pay m it's six. 436 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: Oh tell me where you think Casey is in that 437 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: moment and how hurt she feels. Even though she understands 438 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: Anna has done some bad things, she still almost feels 439 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: like Rachel has been the bigger person to hurt in 440 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: that moment. Right, Anna was a job an, it was 441 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: a job when Rachel was betrayed by Anna. Taking advantage 442 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: of by Anna, she became a friend to Casey, and 443 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: she became this girl that she needed to be there 444 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: for and needed to nurture through this deeply traumatizing moment 445 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: in her life. And she was lying to me the 446 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: whole time she was lying to me about turning in Anna. 447 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: She was lying to me about a book deal Like, 448 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: it's just who are you? Like, I don't know who 449 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: you are, So you've been this like victim to my face, 450 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: crying to me distraught. Meanwhile, you're working with the police, 451 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: you're turning and your friend you are exciting you know, 452 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: six figure deals. Just tell your story. The credit card 453 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: companies paid you up. You haven't told me any of this. 454 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Like it's like we're supposed to be friends. I have 455 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: extended myself to you and taken your side in this 456 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: and brought in one of my clients to try to 457 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: do this intervention for you, and you've been lying to me. 458 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: It's a betrayal. That's just like it's the end of 459 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: the it's all the whole mess of it. I've been 460 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: lied to you by and I've been taking a bandobay 461 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: and we pay for an airline ticketing our first class. 462 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 1: She owes me for fitness sessions, like I haven't got 463 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: any of that money back, right, I'm trying to be 464 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: zen about that. I'm trying to be there for this girl, 465 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: and she's lying to me, to everybody. It's like it's 466 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: just too much. She had Casey had her name taken 467 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: off the story. She's like, I want to be associated 468 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: with this. This is bad for business, This is bad karma, 469 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: this is bad energy. These girls are toxic, all of them. 470 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 1: I went out at this narrative. What do you mean 471 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to be in your article? What this 472 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: ain't mean? I don't want my clients seeing me in 473 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: this negative context. I'm out, like I need to distance 474 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: myself from this, and then Rachel sucks her back in 475 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: and I'm going to court. Can you imagine? No, I'm 476 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: taking time out of my life to go from Hudson 477 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Yards all the way down to the courthouse, you know, 478 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: with city Hall to support you, to be there for you. 479 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: You can't tell me any of this. It's the shock 480 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: of it. It's the bet trail of it. It's just 481 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: the it's the how dare you of it? She felt 482 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: she was made a fool out of and I think 483 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: she could have maybe understand Rachel was distraught, and if 484 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: Rachel had just had the courtesy to share with this 485 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: person who has been a mentor and a friend of her. Hey, 486 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: just so you know, this is an opportunity I have. 487 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: Don't judge me, but this is what I need for myself. 488 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: I think it's the lack of honesty that feels so hurtful, 489 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: and it's in that Casey put herself on the line, 490 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: like she when she confronts Neff about the Instagram page, 491 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, at her job, and you know, making this 492 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: case more public and I could go to prison for 493 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: fifteen years and you're worried about Becky's fifteen minutes of shame. 494 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: Stop calling me Becky. Okay, Karen, we aren't gonna wait 495 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: the funk up and realize you're saying, secretary at her 496 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: damn strength, she's like going to somebody's job and confronting 497 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: them to defend Rachel, to try to protect Rachel. It's 498 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: just like it's Embarras saying, it's like really like going 499 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: above and beyond to be there for Rachel, and Rachel 500 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: is like girl. And what's too bad too, is as 501 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: a woman watching this, I felt, gosh, it's unfortunate when 502 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: women try to help each other and build each other 503 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: up and then they still can't get hurt. Right. So 504 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: there's this idea that just because people are women doesn't 505 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: mean that we're always going to have each other's back, 506 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: that we always have to be watching not for ourselves, 507 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: And just because someone's the same gender as you doesn't 508 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: mean that there's a built in trust or I think 509 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: that's that goes for race. I think that goes to 510 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: so many things. But you know, I think the the 511 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: actor in me, the empathetic part of me, is that 512 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: hurt people hurt people just because then when it's trans 513 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, I can love them. I can love them, 514 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: but I can set some boundaries and I can love 515 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: them from a distance. And I think, you know, we 516 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: want solidarity as women, but I think that we also 517 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that womanhood is confident with that class 518 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: shifts our womanhood. There's no one universal, one woman experienced, class, race, 519 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: ex assigned of birth, all of these things. So we 520 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: can have solidarity around issues and acknowledge our differences. Right, Like, 521 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm very pro choice and I've done a lot of 522 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: advocacy for reproductive rights. Right, I'm obviously can't get pregnant, 523 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: and it's just part of my values, you know. And 524 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: I believe that part of being a feminist is, like 525 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: people who can get pregnant, women need to have control 526 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: over their bodies. And what I think you're talking about 527 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: is how sometimes women tear each other down. How right, 528 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: how patriarchy sets sets it up so that we are 529 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: fighting each other to divide and conquer thing. And I 530 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: think when we can understand that divide and conqueror strategies 531 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: are tool of patriarchy or tool of domination culture, then 532 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: we can be in solidarity. But we have to. We 533 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: can only be in solidarity in truth, right, We can 534 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: only be in solidarity when we can behold ourselves like countable. 535 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: When I have done something that's not the coolest thing 536 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: to a friend of mine, male, female, whatever gender, I 537 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: have to be accountable. And then final question, how would 538 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: you say that playing this character, playing Casey has changed you? 539 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: And what have you taken from her that you now 540 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: use or you hear maybe mantras that you learned from her, 541 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: And how has she affected you? I mean, there's so 542 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: many things, there's so many caseyisms. My favorite though. The 543 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: past is our teacher, the presenters our creation, and the 544 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: future is our inspiration. So in this present moment we 545 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: can create whatever we want. Right, so it encourages us 546 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: to be present. The past is our teacher. Learn from that. 547 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: Learn from the past, but like, don't get too caught 548 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: up in it, don't get stuck there, because in this 549 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: present moment, in our creation, we can heal, We can 550 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: create healing. We can create a new future inspired by 551 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: the future, inspired by the and that we're manifesting in 552 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: our lives. That is just wisdom, that is really really 553 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: good ship, that's a life like and I think too. 554 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: Casey is a trailblazer. Casey Duke is a trailblazer in 555 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: the fitness business. She was doing this in the eighties, 556 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: and there weren't you know, I would think Richard Simmons 557 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: and James Jane Fonda, you know, But Casey Duke was 558 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: on TV in the eighties too. I know. I actually 559 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: feel remiss that I didn't know her name before the story, 560 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: like we should know her name absolutely. She had a 561 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: workout class that was the most popular New York in 562 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: the eighties that madonnad went to. Obviously, workout videos. In 563 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: the nineties, she designed the diet Coke kunk Um Lucky 564 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: Vanos This he had a two workout videos that Casey 565 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: actually devised the workouts for. She's in the workout videos 566 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: with him. She's the co founder of Equinox. Equinox. I 567 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: did not know that this multimillion dollar company that she 568 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: co founded. The first three Equinox gyms in New York City. 569 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: Casey Duke open, she hired the staff, she helped design 570 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: the space. She did not participate when that company sold 571 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: for over a hundred million dollars. These are the things, too, 572 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: that I think we should reflect on, you know, thinking 573 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: of hidden figures, thinking of like so many women, but 574 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: specifically black women who have been trailblazers and are unsung 575 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: and have not gotten the financial recognition, have not gotten 576 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: the shine that they deserve. It really is my hope 577 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: that with this show that people understand that Casey Duke 578 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: is not only a bad bit, but she's a legend, 579 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: a living legend in the fitness business. She needs her flowers, 580 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: she needs her money, she needs all the things. And um, 581 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: I took a lot of things away from her story, 582 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: her strength, her optimism, her wisdom, but I also took 583 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: away the resilience and the perseverance when she's not always 584 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: been Duck treated well and treating well. That i e. Money, recognition, 585 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: and fame. Not that it's all about fame, right, but 586 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: it is about money and it is about recognition. Right. 587 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: When you've contributed to something and helped build something and 588 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: you don't get to share in the profits of that, 589 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a problem. This is an American story, 590 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, this is many people have experienced. As you're talking, 591 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm kind of feeling like a Casey dog. Biopeck is 592 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: next up. Maybe you can lobby for that if you 593 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: sit down with Casey and she tells you the real 594 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: reil of what she's been through it. It was my 595 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: hope to to infuse as much of that bio that 596 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: like the world doesn't know about, that she's so generously 597 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: share with me. I tried to infuse that into every 598 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: moment of playing Casey, that this is the woman who 599 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: it stands before you, enlightened and resilient and powerful and 600 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: strong because she has endured some stuff and she is 601 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: better for for it, and that that is the beautiful 602 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: thing about playing real people and getting to hear real 603 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: people's stories that everybody has mentioned in stuff and how 604 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: we how we get over, how we managed to persevere, 605 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: is the stuff that we all need to hear. Those 606 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: are the stories that we need to hear. That is 607 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: so true, and I have to say you both are 608 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: role models to everyone listening. So thank you for your 609 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: hard work, and thank you to Casey again for sharing 610 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: her story with you and thus with us. Casey Do, 611 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: Casey Do, Thank you, Casey Duke Well, thank you for 612 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: your time lover, and congratulations again that your work is 613 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: studdying as usual. Appreciate that now that we've heard from 614 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: the actor who plays her. It's time to meet the 615 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: Queen of Montrese herself, Casey Duke. Tune in next week. 616 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: Don't play it, stay jump and let the net appear. 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