1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,640
Speaker 1: Up next, The Truth with Lisa Booth, part of the

2
00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:07,560
Speaker 1: game which the United States is becoming an authoritarian state.

3
00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,960
Speaker 1: We have an out of control intelligence community, politicians who

4
00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,520
Speaker 1: put their interests above the people, and a government that's

5
00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,400
Speaker 1: being weaponized against its own citizens. It's time that we

6
00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,320
Speaker 1: face this reality to save or republic. And if you're

7
00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,120
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the truth, this is not the podcast for you.

8
00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,319
Speaker 1: But if you're ready to question the power grabs and

9
00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 1: the absurdities around you, sit down and get ready. This

10
00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:48,599
Speaker 1: is the Truth with Lisa Booth. Ye welcome back to

11
00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,040
Speaker 1: the Truth with Lisa Booth. I'm Lisa Booth and for

12
00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,600
Speaker 1: this week's show, I go one on one with the

13
00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,560
Speaker 1: King of Cable, Tucker Carlson. As you guys know, Tucker

14
00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,000
Speaker 1: is is the posts of the top rated number one

15
00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,440
Speaker 1: cable news show, Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox News. And

16
00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,920
Speaker 1: the reason why it's number one is because Tucker Carlson

17
00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,120
Speaker 1: is the ultimate truth teller. He holds the people in

18
00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,480
Speaker 1: charge accountable and that draws their ire. He doesn't care

19
00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,800
Speaker 1: who he offends, regardless of it's Republicans or Democrats. He's

20
00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,280
Speaker 1: always pushing, he's always pressing to get you answers. So

21
00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm used to Tucker Carlson interviewing me. So the tables

22
00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,399
Speaker 1: have turned here a little bit. But what I promised

23
00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,080
Speaker 1: you is a raw conversation and in depth conversation about

24
00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,080
Speaker 1: the things that are important to you, family, the state

25
00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,960
Speaker 1: of our country, the media, a variety of things that

26
00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,840
Speaker 1: matter to you and your lives. And I'm going to

27
00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,160
Speaker 1: get into all of it with Tucker Carlson. Plus I

28
00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,160
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of his bombshell revelations about the

29
00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,800
Speaker 1: n s A spying on him, what actually happened and

30
00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,520
Speaker 1: who is to blame. I'm going to get you those

31
00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,440
Speaker 1: questions with Tucker Carlson because it's about time government leaders

32
00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,920
Speaker 1: and the people in charge are held accountable for their actions.

33
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,559
Speaker 1: And with that, I want to welcome Tucker Carlson again,

34
00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate truth teller, to the show The Truth with

35
00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,639
Speaker 1: Lisa Booth. Tucker, it's been a week, hasn't it. Well, yeah,

36
00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,359
Speaker 1: it's been quite a bit of drama. Um. I absolutely

37
00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,399
Speaker 1: cannot stand having shows about the show. It's like two

38
00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,680
Speaker 1: it's just too postmodern for me. I don't like talking

39
00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,880
Speaker 1: about myself at all, and I definitely don't like being

40
00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of some controversy about the show, and

41
00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,680
Speaker 1: more than anything, I don't like you know, seeming like

42
00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm crazier than I actually am. Most middle aged men

43
00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,720
Speaker 1: veer towards crazy, but you know, I try to restrain myself.

44
00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,920
Speaker 1: So like getting on TV and saying the government spying

45
00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,920
Speaker 1: on me was you know, I did not want to

46
00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,560
Speaker 1: do that at all, but they were spying on me,

47
00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,919
Speaker 1: and I felt like I had no choice. I mean,

48
00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,079
Speaker 1: I did it defensively, you know, I mean I don't

49
00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't have any other I don't have subpoena power.

50
00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,079
Speaker 1: I can't arrest anybody. I can't make them answer questions.

51
00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,680
Speaker 1: All I can. You was talking about stuff um with

52
00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,680
Speaker 1: the megaphone of the show in the hope that that will,

53
00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, protect us, but I really felt threatened by it. Well,

54
00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, and you know, for the folks

55
00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,160
Speaker 1: at home if they're unfamiliar or they haven't been following

56
00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 1: this story completely. So the way I understand it is

57
00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,080
Speaker 1: last spring, you had reached out to a couple of

58
00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,720
Speaker 1: people trying to set up an interview with uh, you know,

59
00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,000
Speaker 1: President of Russia, Vladimir Putin. This is not out of

60
00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,400
Speaker 1: the norm. Reporters do this all the time. NBC's Cure

61
00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,320
Speaker 1: Simmons just interviewed Putin not too long ago, So this

62
00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,880
Speaker 1: is a normal thing to reach out and try to

63
00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,120
Speaker 1: set up these interviews with world leaders. You're your top

64
00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,400
Speaker 1: journalist in the country. And then last Monday, June announced

65
00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,400
Speaker 1: that a whistle blower brought some disturbing information to you

66
00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,200
Speaker 1: about the n s A spying on you. Just for

67
00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,600
Speaker 1: the listeners who are unfamiliar at the story, what did

68
00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,800
Speaker 1: that whistle blower tell you? Well, I was in I

69
00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,520
Speaker 1: don't live in Washington anymore, but I spent my life there,

70
00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880
Speaker 1: and um, we left a couple of years ago, but

71
00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I was back for a memorial service for a former

72
00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:04,000
Speaker 1: employee of mine and I saw some someone I know well,

73
00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,680
Speaker 1: very well called me and said, um, I'd love to

74
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,920
Speaker 1: talk to you in person. So I went over this

75
00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,040
Speaker 1: person's house and the person said, um, you know about

76
00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,440
Speaker 1: getting into it. It was a very knowledgeable person. Uh,

77
00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,440
Speaker 1: the n s A has intercepted your emails. And I said,

78
00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, really, you know, because you sort of if

79
00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,400
Speaker 1: you if you're in journalism, you sort of assume that

80
00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,720
Speaker 1: you know nothing is secure. Everyone's on signal and everyone's paranoid,

81
00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,960
Speaker 1: but it's a very different experience to have specific details

82
00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,800
Speaker 1: repeated back to you. And this person said, so, you know,

83
00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,560
Speaker 1: in late April you were emailing about going on a

84
00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,760
Speaker 1: trip to Moscow to interview Putin, you know, with these people,

85
00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, you know I didn't tell

86
00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,359
Speaker 1: and nobody knew that. I didn't tell anyone at Fox

87
00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,679
Speaker 1: other than my producer. I just I figured the Russians

88
00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,279
Speaker 1: are paranoid, and I didn't want to draw any attention

89
00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,240
Speaker 1: to the negotiations because I thought it would spoil them.

90
00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,800
Speaker 1: So I was really distressed by this. And then the

91
00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,920
Speaker 1: person said, um, you know they're gonna leak this information

92
00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,080
Speaker 1: in an effort to make you seem like a Russian stooge.

93
00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,320
Speaker 1: And at that point I thought, well, I've got to

94
00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,480
Speaker 1: go public with us. But I mean, the the irony

95
00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,120
Speaker 1: that underlies all of this is, you know, you're not

96
00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,440
Speaker 1: supposed to use the word Putin or talk to anyone

97
00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,560
Speaker 1: around Putin, or you're supposed to hate Putin because Putin

98
00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,400
Speaker 1: is an authoritarian. You know, he's putting people, and you know,

99
00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,560
Speaker 1: people protest outside the Kremlin, so he puts them in solitary.

100
00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,160
Speaker 1: Can find him for six months, and he like attacks

101
00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,440
Speaker 1: people for saying the wrong thing and believing the wrong thing,

102
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,279
Speaker 1: and he spies on his own people. And it's like,

103
00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,960
Speaker 1: wait a second. You know, the government that we're living

104
00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,400
Speaker 1: under here is doing those things right now, and it's

105
00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,480
Speaker 1: just it's like all a diversion, you know, hate Putin.

106
00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm an American, I'm you know, I'm

107
00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,760
Speaker 1: loyal to America. On the other hand, like, what is this?

108
00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,600
Speaker 1: Why am I supposed to hate Putin again? Why was

109
00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,200
Speaker 1: SUPs to be enemies with Putin? China's like essentially taking

110
00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,320
Speaker 1: over the world, and we're ignoring that because of Putin.

111
00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is so deranged. I'm not

112
00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,359
Speaker 1: playing along with it. I'm sorry. I don't have a

113
00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,320
Speaker 1: moral obligation to hate Putin. And I'm not going to

114
00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,200
Speaker 1: take a lecture on patriotism from people who don't, you know,

115
00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,360
Speaker 1: who hate the flag and think America's racist up yours?

116
00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? How dare you tell me

117
00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,080
Speaker 1: what's patriotic or not. What's patriotic is exercising your your

118
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 1: your freedoms under the Bill of Rights, one of which

119
00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,920
Speaker 1: is the freedom to say exactly what you think, And

120
00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm not anyway. I'm not playing along at all. Period.

121
00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't blame you. And of course it's okay for

122
00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,400
Speaker 1: NBC to set up this interview, but you know, somehow

123
00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,320
Speaker 1: if you do it, it's of interest to the n

124
00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,279
Speaker 1: s A, which is disturbing. You know. Was this a

125
00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,920
Speaker 1: government person who came to you with this information? I'll

126
00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,440
Speaker 1: just say that it Um, this was someone with direct knowledge.

127
00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,440
Speaker 1: So um. I mean, I just don't I I don't

128
00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,200
Speaker 1: want to hurt anyone. Um. But and then it was

129
00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,480
Speaker 1: it was vindicated. Of course, in the end it turned

130
00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,840
Speaker 1: out to be completely true. And I knew it was

131
00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,120
Speaker 1: because I knew who knew that information. I was, you know,

132
00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,640
Speaker 1: it was the person I emailed and my producer and

133
00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,640
Speaker 1: that's it. And the people I emailed. There are two

134
00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,800
Speaker 1: separate people I emailed, you know, or not talking to

135
00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120
Speaker 1: the n s A or anyone else. I mean, these

136
00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,720
Speaker 1: are very tight lifted people. So um. And then of course,

137
00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, on on Tuesday afternoon, I got a call

138
00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,440
Speaker 1: from Jonathan Swan um who knew the details of my

139
00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,280
Speaker 1: email too. So how would n I and I like

140
00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,800
Speaker 1: swan actually, but like how would he know? And he

141
00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,240
Speaker 1: knew because the n s A leaked it. Then I

142
00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,760
Speaker 1: got a call this morning from someone saying, oh, the

143
00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,720
Speaker 1: New York Times got it too. I don't. I can't

144
00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,320
Speaker 1: verify that. But this is someone who used to work there. Um,

145
00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, this is I don't know why

146
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm acting so shocked this. They've done this for years.

147
00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,360
Speaker 1: You know, you're disobedient. They don't. They don't like your

148
00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,840
Speaker 1: your views. They want to pull you back a little bit,

149
00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,840
Speaker 1: and so they you know, they spy on you and

150
00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,320
Speaker 1: then let you know that they're watching. I mean, thank god, hot,

151
00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to hide. I believe in privacy.

152
00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want people reading my text or

153
00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,040
Speaker 1: my emails, listening to my conversations. On principle, but I don't.

154
00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't actually have You know, I'm not committing crimes.

155
00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't have some weird double life or something. But

156
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,160
Speaker 1: what if I did. You know a lot of people do,

157
00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,120
Speaker 1: and that's their right. By the way, you want to

158
00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,360
Speaker 1: have a weird personal life, that's that's that's your right

159
00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,200
Speaker 1: to do that. And people like that are are basically

160
00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:30,120
Speaker 1: susceptible to control by the intel agencies, which is terrifying

161
00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,040
Speaker 1: if you think about it. And that's a lot of people.

162
00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say most people I know in journalism,

163
00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, have secrets. I don't mean felonies, but you know,

164
00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,400
Speaker 1: they're whatever, God knows what they're into. And people like

165
00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,400
Speaker 1: that are very you know, if you find out what

166
00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,120
Speaker 1: they're into, you can hold it over them and control them.

167
00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is kind of a classic scenario,

168
00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,360
Speaker 1: and they they do this a lot. I just think

169
00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,000
Speaker 1: it's very offensive. And I won't even get into the

170
00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,439
Speaker 1: media reaction to it. The depth of the cur I

171
00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 1: mean it's not even media is not even the word,

172
00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,840
Speaker 1: but the praetorian guard around around Biden, but the depths

173
00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,520
Speaker 1: of the corruption, it's just it just stuns me. I've

174
00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,160
Speaker 1: been in this business for thirty years. I know everyone

175
00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,280
Speaker 1: in it, you know, and I thought I was as

176
00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,240
Speaker 1: cynical as I could be, But I'm just shocked every time.

177
00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,040
Speaker 1: But how loo they are. Was it just specific to

178
00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,680
Speaker 1: the interview or did it scope beyond that? Was it?

179
00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,000
Speaker 1: Did they use that then as an opportunity? I guess

180
00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,600
Speaker 1: my question is they then do they then use that

181
00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,240
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to you know, dig further to to

182
00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,160
Speaker 1: go through your information or do you know if what

183
00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we filed the Foyer request UM,

184
00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,079
Speaker 1: which was immediately foyd by another news organization that they

185
00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,520
Speaker 1: filed a Freedom of Information Act request to see our

186
00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,040
Speaker 1: Foyer request. They didn't file a request to find out

187
00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,280
Speaker 1: if I'd been spied on there in favor of that.

188
00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine you're a journalist working for

189
00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,559
Speaker 1: a news organization and the and some bureaucrat and the

190
00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,840
Speaker 1: spy agency is threatening a reporter reading his emails, and

191
00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,920
Speaker 1: you're cool with that. I mean, really, I I whatever,

192
00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,199
Speaker 1: I don't even I'm so grateful there's no longer a

193
00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,360
Speaker 1: White House Correspondence dinner and I don't have to go to.

194
00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I could not be in the same

195
00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,360
Speaker 1: room as people like that. It's just there. What a

196
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:15,319
Speaker 1: betrayal of of their duty and their privilege. What do

197
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,680
Speaker 1: you think the reaction would be if this was Rachel

198
00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,959
Speaker 1: Maddow or you know, Don Lemon, Well, I'd be pissed

199
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,920
Speaker 1: about it. You know, I would never make excuses for that. Ever,

200
00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, if they're spying on Don Lemon, who, I'm

201
00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,960
Speaker 1: sure as I like, probably a lot to hide actually, um,

202
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,280
Speaker 1: I would be fully against that, and I would say so,

203
00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't want to live in that country.

204
00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to live in a country where, you know,

205
00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,079
Speaker 1: unelected spy agency employees with all we give them all

206
00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,920
Speaker 1: this power and they misused it for political reasons. Like

207
00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't really care what the politics are. I'm just

208
00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,680
Speaker 1: against that process. I just don't want to live in

209
00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,080
Speaker 1: a place like that at all. Whether it's like a

210
00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,240
Speaker 1: Tanton mccoot keeping everyone in line. What I'm mean, There

211
00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,360
Speaker 1: are apparently hundreds of Trump voters still in jail, and

212
00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,080
Speaker 1: in some cases the DC jail, which is just a filthy,

213
00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,760
Speaker 1: horrible place that should be shut down, um for for

214
00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,640
Speaker 1: non violent crimes from January six, and like no one's

215
00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,720
Speaker 1: saying anything about it. Are we cool with that? You know?

216
00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's like this is I don't know. I'm

217
00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,200
Speaker 1: not much of a dot connector. I'm a daily news guy,

218
00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,760
Speaker 1: put out a show every day. I'm focused on that show.

219
00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,200
Speaker 1: I try not to take Chimney steps back and you know,

220
00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,720
Speaker 1: connect all the dots and come up with grand theories

221
00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,440
Speaker 1: of everything. But I mean, if you can't see what's

222
00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,000
Speaker 1: going on right now, the attack on civil liberty is

223
00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,000
Speaker 1: so overwhelming, and I just almost feel like I'm like

224
00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,840
Speaker 1: a crazy person, Like does does anyone else notice this? So,

225
00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, night after night we put Glenn Greenwald. He's

226
00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,000
Speaker 1: like a bull on leftist, you know, lives in Rio

227
00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,160
Speaker 1: de jan Arrow. I mean, we've never voted for the

228
00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,920
Speaker 1: same person ever, and yet I'm so grateful to have

229
00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 1: him because he understands what's going on. Again, we don't

230
00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,080
Speaker 1: agree on most things, I would think, but on the

231
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,760
Speaker 1: big things like should you have a country that abides

232
00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 1: by its own founding documents? Does the Bill of Rights matter?

233
00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,280
Speaker 1: Do you care about civil liberties? You know, we agree

234
00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,120
Speaker 1: on those things, but you can't find anybody else. Nobody

235
00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,760
Speaker 1: else seems to even notice. It's I don't know, I

236
00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,720
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. I do know. Last thing I'll say,

237
00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,520
Speaker 1: zan x is the most widely prescribed drug in America,

238
00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,120
Speaker 1: and it's a tranquilizer. It's a benzo to asipine. And

239
00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,400
Speaker 1: maybe there's some connection there. You know, you legalize weed,

240
00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,520
Speaker 1: you pass out benzos, and you can kind of do

241
00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,600
Speaker 1: whatever you want because everyone is so zoned out, you know,

242
00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,640
Speaker 1: so deep in the Netflix and porn that that doesn't

243
00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,880
Speaker 1: even register with them. I don't know where's the fighting spirit, Like,

244
00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,640
Speaker 1: why are we putting up with this crap? Well, I mean,

245
00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,559
Speaker 1: of course it's been a concern over the past year

246
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000
Speaker 1: with lockdowns of you know, people just taking it despite

247
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,520
Speaker 1: the government and experts repeatedly being wrong. But but I

248
00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,440
Speaker 1: think part of this too is figuring out, you know,

249
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,120
Speaker 1: how this happened, right, and why this happened, because it's

250
00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,520
Speaker 1: not supposed to be happening. As you laid out, You're

251
00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,960
Speaker 1: an American citizen, your journalist. You have the right for

252
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,800
Speaker 1: your civil liberties to be protected and not abused by

253
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,360
Speaker 1: the government. You know. Jonathan Swant had reported that the

254
00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,320
Speaker 1: individuals that you're communicating with, of course this happens, this

255
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,920
Speaker 1: is routine to try to set up interviews with you know,

256
00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,440
Speaker 1: foreign dignitaries, particularly a president. But he had said they

257
00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,040
Speaker 1: were you US based, you know, Kremlin intermediaries. Were these

258
00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,760
Speaker 1: four nationals or would there be a reason why these

259
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,920
Speaker 1: individuals and trying to set it up would be you know,

260
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,600
Speaker 1: the n s A would be paying attention to them

261
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,959
Speaker 1: or looking at their surveillance. Look, I assume there, I mean, well,

262
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't assume I know, we all know, because it's

263
00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,360
Speaker 1: a matter of public record that they're sweeping up everything,

264
00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,679
Speaker 1: every email, every text in this country is swept up

265
00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,320
Speaker 1: by n s A. So I mean, bigger picture, I

266
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,120
Speaker 1: have a right to talk to anyone I want. I

267
00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,760
Speaker 1: have a right and absolute right of any opinion I want. So,

268
00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't love Vladimir Putin, but if I

269
00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 1: did love Vladimir Putin, I'd be allowed to say so,

270
00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,079
Speaker 1: you know, because this is a free country, and I'm

271
00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,920
Speaker 1: going to continue to pretend it is a free country

272
00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,760
Speaker 1: because that's the country I grew up in, and you

273
00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,080
Speaker 1: know that's my position of that. Uh. So you know,

274
00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,200
Speaker 1: I have a right to contact, whether I'm a journalist

275
00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,560
Speaker 1: or not, anybody I want and express any opinion I want,

276
00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,679
Speaker 1: unless I'm plotting a crime, which I wasn't. And by

277
00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:13,920
Speaker 1: the way, if they think it is a crime, then

278
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,480
Speaker 1: charge me with the crime, take me to court, put

279
00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,240
Speaker 1: me in jail. I dare you. They're supposed to have

280
00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,040
Speaker 1: intelligence reasons to unmask someone, but then there's also the leak,

281
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 1: which is illegal, So you know what would be their basis?

282
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it just flies in the face. You know

283
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,640
Speaker 1: what what would that basis? Be than to unmask you.

284
00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,440
Speaker 1: An American journalist that makes no sense paid some really

285
00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,080
Speaker 1: negative picture for the n s A. Yeah, I mean

286
00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,280
Speaker 1: it's and you know Nakasni, Paul Kasni runs it as

287
00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,840
Speaker 1: like completely partisan and ludicrous person, an absurd person running

288
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,600
Speaker 1: the n s A. Really, But yeah, and he would

289
00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,200
Speaker 1: have had to sign off on any unmasking. The director

290
00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:49,760
Speaker 1: of n s A has to sign off on it,

291
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600
Speaker 1: and and potentially to April Haynes, the Director of National

292
00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,200
Speaker 1: Intelligence who oversees all of this, would have as well. Um,

293
00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, there's no reason to masked me.

294
00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,440
Speaker 1: But I was unmasked. There's a record of who requested

295
00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 1: the unmasking and who signed off on it, and so

296
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,120
Speaker 1: where you know, where is it? Where's the record? And

297
00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,160
Speaker 1: why don't I have the right to know that? I

298
00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,920
Speaker 1: mean that the most distressing part of all of this

299
00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,600
Speaker 1: is in the community, like, well, wait, it's illegal for

300
00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,640
Speaker 1: the n s A to spy in American citizens, which

301
00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,080
Speaker 1: it is. They do it constantly. Nobody cares, So I

302
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,880
Speaker 1: guess I guess I'll get off my high horse because

303
00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,120
Speaker 1: it's boring to keep repeating myself. But it's just it,

304
00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,280
Speaker 1: it's so stunning to me. It's like, you know, the

305
00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,040
Speaker 1: government spying on us. Yeah, they hurt people they don't like. Yeah,

306
00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,600
Speaker 1: there are two standards of justice based on your race

307
00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,920
Speaker 1: and who you vote for. It's like, what, why are

308
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,920
Speaker 1: we accepting this? You really want to live in a

309
00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,040
Speaker 1: third world country. I don't. I've spent a lot of

310
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,400
Speaker 1: time in their world countries, a ton many of them,

311
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,440
Speaker 1: dozens of them, and you know good things about them,

312
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,680
Speaker 1: but basically they're horrible. Do you think this happened because

313
00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,400
Speaker 1: there hasn't been accountability. I mean, we saw what happened

314
00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,840
Speaker 1: with Michael Flynn, his conversation, he was unmasked, his conversations

315
00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,400
Speaker 1: were leaked within Ambassador Kislak. Again, he was having perfectly

316
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,840
Speaker 1: fine conversations that he was allowed to have. You also

317
00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,960
Speaker 1: look what happened to Carter Page as well, the abuse

318
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,520
Speaker 1: against him, trying to smear him as a Russian agent.

319
00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,120
Speaker 1: You had Kevin klin Smith quite literally doctoring an email

320
00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,160
Speaker 1: to make it look like Carter Page was against the U. S. Government,

321
00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,520
Speaker 1: but he was actually working for the US government and

322
00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,480
Speaker 1: working for the CIA, and had been from I think

323
00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to two thousand thirteen. Yet Kevin

324
00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,000
Speaker 1: clin Smith got one year probation and his d C

325
00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,200
Speaker 1: law license was suspended for a year. So do you

326
00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,480
Speaker 1: think this happened to you because there's never any accountability

327
00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,680
Speaker 1: for this kind of government abuse. Yeah, I mean there's

328
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,120
Speaker 1: no accountability. I mean there are a lot of levels here.

329
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,600
Speaker 1: For one, a lot of these people, I mean, like

330
00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,600
Speaker 1: a guy like Mike Flynn, you know, career military officer,

331
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,600
Speaker 1: runs Defense Intelligence Agency, becomes Nation Security advisor. Like, he's

332
00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,840
Speaker 1: had a pretty successful life. He hasn't been hit in

333
00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,240
Speaker 1: the face a lot. So a lot of these bull

334
00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,520
Speaker 1: when they, you know, find themselves at the bottom of

335
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,520
Speaker 1: a dog pile, they're not exactly sure what to do,

336
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,400
Speaker 1: and they immediately call a lawyer, and then critically they

337
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,480
Speaker 1: follow the lawyer's advice. And the truth is, most lawyers

338
00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,479
Speaker 1: are like completely worthless. I mean they're not. If they

339
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,480
Speaker 1: were impressive, they probably wouldn't be lawyers. So you know,

340
00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,040
Speaker 1: you take their legal counsel, but you don't follow their

341
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,240
Speaker 1: life advice or their pr advice. Like that's insane. Why

342
00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,560
Speaker 1: would you do that? Would you take sex advice from

343
00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,080
Speaker 1: your lawyer? Now? But they do. All these people do.

344
00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,239
Speaker 1: So Michael Flynn's lawyer. It's like lunatic. Who I know.

345
00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,879
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, you you can't go in public

346
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,200
Speaker 1: and talk about this what Michael Flynn. I mean, if

347
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,080
Speaker 1: I was in that position, I'd be on TV every

348
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,800
Speaker 1: day explaining. You know, we call around, I come on

349
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 1: your show. I've been totally shafted. Let me explain how

350
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,040
Speaker 1: and make your case. You know, don't be quiet, don't

351
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,520
Speaker 1: be silent. They're all you know, they just they let

352
00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,640
Speaker 1: other people tell their story and that's just a critical mistake.

353
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,400
Speaker 1: It's like crazy, and they do it on advice of council,

354
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,159
Speaker 1: and I just I will never understand that. The second

355
00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,600
Speaker 1: problem is Republicans never pushed back because a lot of

356
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,680
Speaker 1: them are like Liz Cheney. You know, Liz Cheney doesn't

357
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,480
Speaker 1: like Trump. So we know a lot about Liz Cheney

358
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:11,760
Speaker 1: and never went you know, I learned the right disclect

359
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,880
Speaker 1: list Chaney or whatever. But Liz Cheney's actual policy views

360
00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,000
Speaker 1: are not that different from a lot of Republicans in

361
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,560
Speaker 1: the Congress. Mitch McConnell, you know, there's no abuse the

362
00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,160
Speaker 1: NSA could commit that Mitch McConnell would be upset about.

363
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,560
Speaker 1: Like I mean, Mitch McConnell's obviously, you know, in all

364
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,600
Speaker 1: the important ways he's on the On the other side,

365
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,920
Speaker 1: he's like totally pro China. Of course, he's pro big tech.

366
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, Miss McConnell cares about raising money and winning

367
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,480
Speaker 1: seats or whatever, you know, kind of pointless objectives. He

368
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,280
Speaker 1: doesn't care about the issues that Republican voters care about,

369
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 1: and he doesn't care about protecting Republican voters. So and

370
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,359
Speaker 1: and there are many Mitch McConnell's. I don't mean to

371
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,760
Speaker 1: just single him out. I mean, he's uniquely repulsive in

372
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but there are a lot of

373
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,760
Speaker 1: people like him. And so, I mean, I've found out

374
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,120
Speaker 1: the last thing I'll say, but a few years ago,

375
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 1: directly from the person that a sitting member of Congress

376
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,960
Speaker 1: who was on the Intel Committee was being spied on

377
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,639
Speaker 1: by N, S, B and C I A and couldn't

378
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 1: text me as a result of that. I'm like, wait

379
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,640
Speaker 1: a second. You oversee those agencies, like why you put

380
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,080
Speaker 1: when you hold a press conference, you know, demand their firing.

381
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 1: Why don't you why don't you stop their budget? Like

382
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 1: why would you put up with that? I wouldn't put

383
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 1: up with it? For one second, and Trump put up

384
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 1: with it. That's the other thing. You know what really

385
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,680
Speaker 1: Gina Hospital, he gives her the job, Like why didn't

386
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 1: he fire all those people immediately and then press d

387
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: o J to charge them and if they wouldn't get

388
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,160
Speaker 1: a new attorney general like we can't. It's not about

389
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: partisan objectives. It's about living in a country that respects

390
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: of the liberties, that treats people equally, and you can't

391
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 1: have that if the Intel agencies are out of control.

392
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,160
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think that today's Republicans

393
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 1: that are in Congress aren't up to the task that

394
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 1: we're facing. Because you know, you had noticed some of

395
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: the r you had mentioned the government abuse that we're saying,

396
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: particularly with what the individuals involved in January six, obviously

397
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: the conversation we're having about the n S a uh,

398
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 1: you know, collecting your information and your conversations that were happening.

399
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: We also saw tens of thousands of National Guard troups

400
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 1: that were vetted surrounding you know, Washington, d C. You

401
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: have the Biden administration saying that combating quote unquote domestic

402
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: extremism is a top priority for him. I mean, where

403
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: where is all this heading when we're seeing the government

404
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 1: be weaponized towards one side of the aisle, where is

405
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 1: this all heading? Well, I mean it's heading towards an

406
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 1: authoritarian state, of course, And and you're right, it's asking

407
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans and most of these people you

408
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: know or some you know developer from Lubbock who got

409
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: elected and all right, you know, they didn't expect to

410
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 1: deal with big constitutional or existential issues. That's kind of

411
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: not why they were elected. So you know, you're asking

412
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: them to do things for which they're not fundamentally well suited.

413
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: But even with that caveat, you've got to ask yourself, like,

414
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 1: where are these people. Are they living in the same country?

415
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: I am to the what's happening? How could they allow

416
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: hundreds of non violent Trump protesters to sit in jail

417
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: for six months in solitary confinement like that? Those are

418
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,719
Speaker 1: political prisoners. At a certain point, I was against breaking

419
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: into the capital in January six I said so a

420
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: hundred times, and I meant it. I don't like that

421
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of crap. On the other hand, you can burn

422
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: a federal building or pull down a statue and no

423
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: one does anything. But if you, you know, say that

424
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: the election was stolen. When you go to jail for

425
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: six months and counting, you know, come on, you know

426
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't need to be like brilliantly perceptive

427
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: to see that as as political and it's it's corrosive,

428
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: it's terrible. It's like the one thing you can't have. Actually,

429
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: justice has to be blind or else what's the point

430
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: of living here? So? Um, you know, they haven't said

431
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: word one about it? Who killed Ashley Babbitt? I keep

432
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I say that, you know, every other night, just because

433
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. You're you're not allowed to shoot unarmed

434
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: women and then not explain who did it and why.

435
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: Just that's just a bad precedent. You can't like what

436
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: is this? That's like, I guess that's the kind of

437
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: thing that we're supposed to hate putin for, but um,

438
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: I don't like it, you know, in any country. So yeah, Republicans,

439
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: it's there. They're pathetic. But then you know, if you're

440
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: not a a loyal Biden voter, what else do you have?

441
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, there's no one else you with power in

442
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: this country you can protect you other than congressional Republicans.

443
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm sick of attacking them. I'm sick of thinking about them.

444
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: There's so mediocre. It's like I'd rather go think about

445
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: something interesting, but that they're literally all we have at

446
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: this point. That's it. Let's take a quick commercial break

447
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: back with Tupper Carlson on the other side. One thing

448
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: I find odd about January six as well is you know,

449
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: you've seen the FBI obviously put an enormous amount of resources,

450
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of arrests that have been made, and

451
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: try to identify the people that entered the capital that day.

452
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: Why can't they find the individual who placed the pipe bombs?

453
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: You would think that this would be a huge security

454
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: but you I mean you think this would be a

455
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: huge public threat if you had someone who literally laid

456
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: down pipe bombs at the R and C in the

457
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: d n C. You have all these resources invested in

458
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: identifying these people who entered the capitol. Why haven't we

459
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: figured out who that person was? I don't know, but

460
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: we definitely need a commission. I mean, look, they know

461
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. How many people in the crowd

462
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: have been in contact with the FBI before, you know,

463
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: before they got to the capitol. How many were working

464
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: for the FBI? How many snitches to the FBI. Mean

465
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: that that's why is that not a fair question? You

466
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: know what role did people who were in contact with

467
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: the Justice Department or the DC Police Department play in

468
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: inciting the crowd? I mean, why can't we know that?

469
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: You know whose government is this? Anyway? Um? You know

470
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: we should know that there are fourteen thousand hours as

471
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: I never tire of reminding our viewers of surveillance tape

472
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: shot by the Capitol Police that have been locked away.

473
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to see him, really, and Liz Chanining

474
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: is just what a fool she is standing up there.

475
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh this is you know, this is Pearl Harbor and

476
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: it's worse than not eleven and we need a commission. Okay, well,

477
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: let's just start by releasing the videotape. Why wouldn't what's

478
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: the answer And what's so profoundly frustrating, and this is

479
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: a change is not only do they not answer the question,

480
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: they won't explain why they won't answer the question because

481
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: they don't feel any obligation to answer or to tell

482
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: you why they won't. And at that point you realize

483
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: they actually they don't believe in democracy. They don't care

484
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: like in an actual democracy, an elected official or a

485
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: government bureaucrat would think, well, jeez, you know, it's their country.

486
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: I kind of have to you know what I mean.

487
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: Would be like calling someone who's house sitting in your

488
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: house and being like, you know, with the house still standing,

489
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: want I can't tell you. You'd be like, well, wait,

490
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: it's my house, you know what I mean, like you

491
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: have to tell me. You have a moral obligation to

492
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: tell me. But they no longer feel that because they

493
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: don't think that the country belongs to its citizens. They

494
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: think the country belongs to them. It's it's a different

495
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: way of thinking. It's scary. I mean, Tucker, shouldn't every

496
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: question be a legitimate question? Though? I mean I think

497
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: it's it's scary where we are today when you are

498
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: attacked for asking questions. I mean, you're a journalist. You're

499
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be asking why why can't we why why

500
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: can't we no longer ask questions like what is that about?

501
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I think that is terrifying of where we are today

502
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: as a society. Well, sure, because the you know, the

503
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: question is either you know, unanswerable um or you know,

504
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: just by raising the question, you kind of point out

505
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: the absurdity of the people in charge. So the question

506
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: is a threat to them, and they're not gonna They're

507
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: not going to answer it. What's different is that the

508
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: press is on the side of the people in charge

509
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: rather than on the side of their viewers and readers,

510
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: and so they kind of form this, you know, like

511
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: thalanks around the powerful and and protect them. You know,

512
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: they're they're they're like a Roman legion protect seeing the emperor.

513
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: It's it's just, um so, I don't want to keep

514
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: whining about the media. Just but you know, my dad

515
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: was in it, like our grandfather was in it. I've

516
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: been in my whole life. I grew up around it.

517
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: I always, you know, thought it was a basically honorable

518
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: thing to do. None of my children are going to

519
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: do it, that's for sure. Um So. But the bottom

520
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: line is, look, we get what we put up with,

521
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: and we're putting up with this, so we'll probably get

522
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: a lot more of it. And don't even get me

523
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: started on the you know, the Republican the conservative establishment

524
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: in Washington to whom you know, decent conservatives around the

525
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: country have sent you know, literally billions of dollars over

526
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: the last forty years. The Heritage Foundation and AI and

527
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: CATO and all the rest of these money sinks, and

528
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: like where they you know, why aren't they protecting their

529
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: donors the country, you know, the the the ideas and

530
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: principles they claim they stand for. Where are they? You know,

531
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: they're nowhere? So I mean, this moment is so distressing

532
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: because it's just revealed how truly unimpressive the people in church,

533
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: at every level of pretty much every institution are. And

534
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: you kind of don't want to know that, you know

535
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like seeing your parents naked, Like

536
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want I don't want to see that. Well,

537
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: it's also no one wants to see that, Tucker, No, no, no,

538
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: well it that's also you know, I feel like people,

539
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: especially you know, you're laying into Republicans and Congress, which

540
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: I believe is fair, but it seems like their eyes

541
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: aren't open to this authoritarian moment that we're facing as

542
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: a nation. And we just saw over the past year

543
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: the government dictating which businesses can open, dictating church presence,

544
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, what percentage of people can go to church,

545
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: or if they can go to church at all. But

546
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: it's perfectly fine to go out and protest out in

547
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: the streets in you know thousands, right, So that First

548
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Amendment you can exercise, but you can't exercise your First

549
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Amendment right to freedom of religion. Uh. And then on

550
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: top of it, we've seen these great government abuses besides

551
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: just that, those powerful lockdowns and authoritarian lockdowns, this abuse

552
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: and weaponizing government, particularly under the Biden administration. I don't

553
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: think their eyes are open to the fact that if

554
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: they don't act, if we don't change course, I mean,

555
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: this country is going to look incredibly different. We're no

556
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: longer going to be a free America. You know again,

557
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: you get what you put up with. I've got a

558
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: bunch of kids, and I love them, but there are

559
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: some things I don't let them do. Like you can't

560
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: smoke weed at the dinner table. You just you can't.

561
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: Like I'm won't allowed as my house and I won't

562
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: allow it. I suppose if I did allow it, they

563
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: probably would. Why wouldn't think, And so you get what

564
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: you put up with. Where the Christian churches, by the way,

565
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: so the state of Michigan says, well, okay, you can't

566
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: have church services. We're closing all the churches. A lot

567
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: of them going out of business, by the way, predictably.

568
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: But we're keeping the abortion clinics open because abortion, you know,

569
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: because we take a ton of money from the abortion

570
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: lobby and and the Christian pastors of Michigan and every

571
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: other state. They're like, okay, you know, we're doing our

572
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: part for public health. Really, you're a fool. You're a

573
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: contemptible fool, and you're not serving your own constituents. You know. Meanwhile,

574
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: and then you think, I keep waiting for some Christian

575
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: denomination to stand up and say this is an attack

576
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: on Christianity. Were not putting up with it. You know,

577
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: we actually believe this stuff, and we have a right

578
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: to worship our God in our country. But none do.

579
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: And I can think, well, maybe the Southern Baptist like

580
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be pushed around. And you look over

581
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: the Southern Baptist Convention. They're like arguing about slavery, which

582
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: ended in eighteen sixty five. What really, you're debating the

583
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: legacy of slavery when Christianity is being shut down by

584
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: the government, that's really your debate. You're a fool and

585
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: a self indulgent, narcissistic fool. Oh, we feel so bad

586
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: about slavery. Okay, you know, settle down, like right here

587
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: and right now, your constituents are being prevented from worshiping

588
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: their God in the United States of America and you've

589
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: got nothing to say about it, and you're debating slavery.

590
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: Oh I think I think they're repulsive. Actually, I really do,

591
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: because I think they've betrayed And I am a Christian

592
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: in the church go war, but it just inreaches me

593
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: because they betrayed their own, their own people, like they

594
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: should be standing up for their people and they're not.

595
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: But why do you think I mean, it seems like

596
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: it's more specific to the right, but why why do

597
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: they just accept the premises that are laid out to

598
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: them by the left in the media, like no one

599
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: stands up, you know, with lockdowns and say, okay, well,

600
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? What's the basis of this?

601
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Where's the information that is going to actually work? Of

602
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: course they didn't or even you know, when Republicans were saying, oh,

603
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: we need police reform, where were the people being looking

604
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: at the data and saying, actually, this narrative about police

605
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: shootings is complete bullshit if you actually look at the

606
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: data it's not substantiated by the facts. Why is the

607
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: right why do why does the right though always take

608
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: these BS? I mean, they're the ones that helped spread it.

609
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: Why do they just always accept the BS premises and

610
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: the lies that are being fed to them. Many more

611
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: people are killed by lightning every year than than the

612
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: number of unarmed black men killed by cops. So like, yeah,

613
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: it's it's absurd. You know, there's something very and sad

614
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and transformative is going on in America, and I you know,

615
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't have a super high i Q not high

616
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: enough to figure out exactly what it is, but it

617
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: does seem like the country just lost some kind of

618
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: essential male energy, some kind of you know, passion or

619
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: fight drained out of the men of I'm just going

620
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: to be honest about the men of the country. The

621
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: men are weak. Women are angry. The men are weak.

622
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: It's weird, and in a lot of cases, the women

623
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: are angry because the men are weak. I would say, um,

624
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: having watched that dynamic a lot over fifty two years here,

625
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: but UM, I don't know. You know, people just kind

626
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: of lost the will to stand up for themselves and

627
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: their families and their institutions. The things they love, the

628
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: schools they went to, the churches they were married, in

629
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods they live in. You know, these are the

630
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: things that normal people, vigorous, self respecting people with dignity

631
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: like fight for and die for. I mean, like, what

632
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: would you die for, you know, more quickly than your

633
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: own family or that you know the school that you're

634
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: surprised I went to this school. Like in my family,

635
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: every single person in my family, multigenerational, including my wife

636
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: and me, all went to the same high school. And

637
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: the high school has been destroyed in the past year,

638
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: completely destroyed, like taken over by like crazy people, and

639
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: they really wrecked it. I'm not that's not an overstatement.

640
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: And so I called all these people I know who

641
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: went there with me and went there with my kids,

642
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I you know everybody there, and they're like, well,

643
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: there's something we can really do. It's like, really, you know,

644
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: how about we just like show up and take it over? Like,

645
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, is there a point at which you

646
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: won't sort of put up with the humiliation anymore? And

647
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 1: I hope there is, but I don't know what that

648
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: point is. I mean, if you can tell people if

649
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: you can tell their children that they're inherently sinful because

650
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: of their skin color, and parents put up with it.

651
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: It's like, well, what wouldn't you put up with? You know,

652
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: how about if they beat your kids up or sexually abusic?

653
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Would you put up with that? You know? Like what

654
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like where's the dignity? I know this

655
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: is very harsh. I probably should even be saying this,

656
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: but I think that every day. You know, I would

657
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: never allow that. Are you joking? No way? But people

658
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: just people just do and and it feels like it's

659
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: society wide. Well there's nothing we can do, Okay, I

660
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: guess we deserve it. No, you don't and don't don't

661
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: put up with it? Is it Marxism? Is it communism

662
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that has taken root in the country, or what's what's

663
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: the root of this? You know? I mean Marxism is

664
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, a very specific theory about how money is

665
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: allocated and how. But many have said that we're you know,

666
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: essentially what we're seeing is based on racial lines versus

667
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: economic division. I don't it's not Marxism exactly. It's it's

668
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: the it's the fatalitarian impulse that resides in all of

669
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: us that the founders, you know, devised a system to

670
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: keep it bay. I mean, that's the whole point of

671
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: the American system of government is to tame the worst

672
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: impulses within people. All people, at all times throughout history

673
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: have because human nature is the one thing that doesn't change.

674
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Um have had, you know, ugly impulses, and you spend

675
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: your life fighting against them. All of us do. And

676
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: one of them is the impulse to control other people

677
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: completely and to hurt them if they disobey. I mean,

678
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: that's like in all of us, and it's it's one

679
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: of the worst impulses that people have. And that's why

680
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: we have divided government and we have this all these

681
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: elaborate you know, it's what the electoral College, we have,

682
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: all these elaborate systems that the that the Framers thought

683
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: up two fifty years ago to keep any one person

684
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: or small group of people from exerting that kind of control,

685
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: from acting out these ugly human instincts on the rest

686
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: of the population. And so I think what we're seeing

687
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: is the guardians of that system, UM no longer feel

688
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: like defending it, no longer have that you know, that vitality,

689
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: that energy to defend it, and they've kind of given up.

690
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: And so whenever you give up, you know, when the

691
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: centuries fall asleep, you get invaded. I mean, I actually

692
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of that simple. If you don't

693
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: defend something, you lose it. I mean that's true. That's

694
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: true of everything. You know, somebody stronger and and with

695
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: fewer scruples will come and take it from you. I mean,

696
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: that's just the way the world is. I wish it weren't,

697
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: but it is. And I think we've just been rich

698
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: for so long that we've convinced ourselves that, you know,

699
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: that we can afford to have these incredibly tiresome conversations

700
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: about our sexuality or our gender preference, all its ridiculous

701
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: narcissism um and and ignore the fundamentals. And so we did.

702
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: And then a small group of determined totalitarians took advantage

703
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: of that, and they're in the process of taking advantage

704
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: of it. So my job, I feel like I've got

705
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, an hour forty seven minutes or whatever on

706
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: cable television five days a week. It's not you know,

707
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: there's not much I can do about it. But so

708
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I so I see my job is just trying to

709
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: remind people the consequences of allowing this are are very significant,

710
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: Like your kids will live in the country you won't

711
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: recognize and wouldn't want to live in yourself. So you

712
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: should you should really stop this bullshit before it gets worse,

713
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: because it's getting worse really fast. I feel like that's

714
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: my job. That's kind of my whole job right there. Well,

715
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: I I think you are one of the bravest people

716
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: in the media and one of the few people who

717
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: I immensely respect for those reasons. No, I mean that sincerely, Tucker.

718
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: I really know, you know, I really I mean, take

719
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth, Tucker, But I really do

720
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: feel that. But but is it. I mean, but that's

721
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: like the hottest Supreme Court yet that cater or well

722
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: it's also it's also for me, so you know, take it,

723
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: take it for what it's worth. Right, But you know, Tucker,

724
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: but you know you're right. I mean, you're talking about

725
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: what America was predicated on, was overturning a monarchy to

726
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: give power to the people, to have a constitutional republic

727
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: where you know, we the people are put in charge

728
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: of the government. And it seems to be the reverse

729
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: now and we're you know, we're at this place. Is

730
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: the American experiment over? Or do we still have time?

731
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I I hope not. Uh,

732
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I mean, I'll just be totally blunt

733
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: sympathetic to populism. But I mean, I grew up in

734
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: full blown rich person world and I've lived in it

735
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: all my life. Um, I'm not against a ruling class.

736
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm not against rich people. I'm against a bad ruling

737
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: class and selfish, stupid rich people. That's kind of my

738
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: view on it. But anyway, I I'm around a lot

739
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: of affluent people and always have been. And when things

740
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: started to fall apart, when George Floyd died, I knew

741
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people who started saying, you know, I

742
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: think I need another passport, or you know what, what's

743
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: Argentina like this time of year? Like people actually really

744
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: their first instant was let's get out of here. And

745
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: so I really thought a lot about it at that moment,

746
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: and I realized, like I'm American, not in some syrup

747
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: e you know, fake patriotically, but like I'm literally American.

748
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: I have tons of American attitudes that grew up here.

749
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I would not be comfortable living anywhere else. I just

750
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here until I die. And my wife

751
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: feels the same way, which we've talked a lot about it.

752
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: So at that point, I realized, like there's really no

753
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: option but to try and resist this stuff. And you

754
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: hope that. You know, the resistance is rhetorical, but at

755
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: a certain point, you like they're pushing really really hard,

756
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: like too hard. I feel like the Biden administration is

757
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: trying to force the country into some sort of very

758
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: ugly reaction. You know, these vaccine mandates, you know, the

759
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: gun consort, gun confiscation. Well, it's insane, it's insane, you know.

760
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: I think there are certain populations that would benefit from

761
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: the vaccine. There are other populations that don't benefit from

762
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: the vaccine. Like, I'm thirty six, I'm healthy, I have

763
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: no underlying conditions. Why should I take a vaccine that

764
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: is not FDA approved. It makes no sense for for

765
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: a virus that isn't really a threat to my life.

766
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: Well exactly, But let's say you're let's say you're eighteen,

767
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: and you've already recovered from COVID. You know, there's there's

768
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: no question that you face greater risk from taking the

769
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: vaccine than you do from COVID because you're not getting

770
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: COVID again. And it's not a good idea to vaccinate

771
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: people who have anybodies from the virus. Like that's it's crazy.

772
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: This is like basic science and even I can understand so,

773
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: but they're forcing it, they're pushing it, they're demanding it.

774
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: Why are they doing that? It really feels like they're

775
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: trying to provoke. You know, how how far can we

776
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: push the population until someone snaps and does something awful.

777
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: I really feel like that's what they're doing. I don't

778
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't see an other explanation. It's it's completely irrational.

779
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: If you were trying to provoke a revolution, this is

780
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: exactly how you behave. You know, we're taking all your

781
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: police away, We're building a steel cage around our office

782
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: the capital. We're doubling down on our bodyguards, which you

783
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: pay for, and we're taking your cops away, and now

784
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: we're going to disarm you. What I mean, who, why

785
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: would you do that? Unless you were trying to make

786
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: people so paranoid and so angry that they lashed out

787
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: in some way. I don't see another explanation. I hope

788
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Maybe they're just so stupid, but I don't

789
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: think so. And uh and I really I'm fearful of

790
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: what the reaction against all of this stuff is going

791
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, I spent the last half an

792
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: hour whining about how everyone's so passive. But at a

793
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: certain point, you know, some people won't be passive. And

794
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: this has gotten so crazy, and the anti white stuff

795
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: is so nuts. White people are terrible. What what are

796
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: you doing? What are you talking like that? You know

797
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna create radical white people. Do you want that?

798
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't want that, you know, I don't want that. Actually,

799
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: but they're We're gonna get it if they don't stop

800
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: with this everyone in white rage white this white that

801
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: white people are immoral? What the hell are you doing

802
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: if we did that to any population? Were Like, Filipinos

803
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: are just bad, They're just there's something about Filipinos. It's

804
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: just repulsive. Maybe we should exterminate Filipinos. After a while,

805
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: you get some pretty freaking radical Filipinos, you know, who

806
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: might do some pretty radical things like why wouldn't you?

807
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean, duh, so why are they doing this? I

808
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: just think it's one of the craziest things I've ever

809
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: the craziest thing I've ever seen by far more Tucker Cross.

810
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: And next, you're probably subject to the most criticism in

811
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: the country in terms of as being a journalist. Why

812
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Oh, I don't, I mean not,

813
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm in the way, I guess I

814
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: don't have perspective on it. I mean, I'm I'm very

815
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: against the Internet. You know. I try not to spend

816
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: any time on the Internet if I can help it.

817
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: I think it's disgusting, you know, you know, I mean,

818
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm really thrilled that you know, we can get up

819
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: to the moment, whether updates, but like, overall, the Internet

820
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: has been like the worst thing that ever happened to

821
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: the world. And clearly and um so I've just not

822
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: on it that much. I never google my self. I

823
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: would never do that. And and more broadly, I'm I'm

824
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: not interested like truly, and I'm not just saying this,

825
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean it. Ask anyone who lives around me. I'm

826
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: not interested in in the opinions of people I don't respect.

827
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm deeply interested in the people I love and care

828
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: about and their opinions. If my wife looks at me

829
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: cross eyed it you know, it brings me to my knees.

830
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I really care what the people I love

831
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: to think very much, and I will immediately change my

832
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: behavior if they tell me too. But like somebody at

833
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: the Daily Beast, I don't, you know, why would I

834
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: care what they think? I really don't. I mean, and

835
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean that, oh, you're a Nazi, You're a what

836
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, you quoted Martin Luther King, So you're a

837
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: white suprematist. Okay, you know it's this is so dumb,

838
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: like why do I care? So it doesn't have any

839
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: effect on me at all, like literally none, and so

840
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: it's like to me, it's like it's not even happening.

841
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say what I think is true. If I

842
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: say something that's cruel or unfair, you know that people

843
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: I respect will tell me immediately and I I'll apologize

844
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: and stop doing it. But like the criticism of people

845
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: who you know, work for Jeff Bezos and want to

846
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: defend the existing order, like I don't give a ship

847
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: at all, And I really don't either. You know, we've

848
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: seen probably one of the biggest transfers of wealth over

849
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: the past year, and you know, the shuttering of small

850
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: businesses which are more decentralized in the centralized power with

851
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: large corporations, as well as obviously the government growing larger. Uh.

852
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: In addition to that, you know, where where does that head?

853
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: And what does that mean for a country, you know,

854
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: both economically and just as a nation at large? But

855
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: what about racism? What about racism? What about transgender rights?

856
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, all of the debates that are sort of

857
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: forced on us from above, racism, Oh shut up, transgender right,

858
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's affects like nine people. All of them

859
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: are recover for the real debates, which are mostly about economics,

860
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: not not exclusive, but the big ones are about like

861
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: the role of the central bank. And in the normal country,

862
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: that's what you would be debating because that that really

863
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: does matter. But we're not having that debate at all.

864
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're seeing a complete transformation of the U. S.

865
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Economy complete two and this has been a middle class country,

866
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: literally middle class country. The majority of people fall into

867
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: the you know, as determined by the Labor Department, but

868
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: in the income range that we call middle class, the

869
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: majority were middle class. Two fifteen, the middle class becomes

870
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: a minority in the country, becomes and this has accelerated

871
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: this trend way more lopsided. Small number of people control

872
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: a larger percentage of the assets, and that makes the

873
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: country really unstable, not just this country, any country. That's

874
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: how Venezuela went from this kind of nice place I

875
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: went there as a kid to you know, this hell

876
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: whole are they're eating zoo animals and you know, Maduro's

877
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: in charge, Like because that concentration of wealth in a

878
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: democracy provokes a response, and it provokes radical populism and

879
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: they break everything. So like, that's a really bad trend.

880
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: It's one of the worst possible trends. But we don't

881
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: even discuss it. And why don't we discuss it because

882
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: the people who control the conversation, you know, who control

883
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: the tech companies and the and the TV networks, I

884
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: don't want to have that conversation because they're on the

885
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: winning end of it. So Trump said something he once

886
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: Trump stunt, super reflective, as you know, but he did

887
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: say something I never forgot, which is, you know, the

888
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: one thing that people don't like the system, our system

889
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: doesn't like in this country is economic populist and they

890
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: really don't you know that We've never had since Teddy Roosevelt,

891
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: we have not had a president including Trump by the way, um,

892
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: who is an economic populist. But most people kind of

893
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: like the basic ideas of economic populism. So what does

894
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: that tell you if for a hundred years people don't

895
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: get the one thing they want, maybe the system isn't

896
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: very responsive to the public. Maybe it's not really a democracy,

897
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? No, I mean it makes sense.

898
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: And you know, of course, everything ultimately is about, you know, control,

899
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: and that's why obviously they want larger corporations and government

900
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: control and socialism and things of that nature, because it

901
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: empowers the people in charge. For real. Last question of this,

902
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: this is something that you encourage people that you know,

903
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: get married, have kids. Why why is having a strong

904
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: family unit almost counterculture? Now? Well, because it runs contrary

905
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: to corporate interests. I mean, feminism is just like a

906
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: pure corporate propaganda, you know, telling And I have three daughters,

907
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: so I think about this a lot. But like telling

908
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: girls that somehow more virtuous until filling and meaningful to

909
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: work for some soulless corporation in the HR department or marketing, marketing,

910
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: whatever the funk that is marketing uh, than it is

911
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: to raise your own children, Like who thought of that first?

912
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: First of all, it's like so ridiculous. Anyway, this is

913
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: this is the Sheryl sand Burg wrote a whole book

914
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: on this. She and a lot of people like her

915
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: have been making this case for fifty years that you're

916
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: just you're gonna be a lot happier if you work

917
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: for some big company than if you have a personal life.

918
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: And it's such a lie that they can only maintain

919
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: it with like maximum hysteria. You know, men are terrible.

920
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: You don't want a man, right, okay? And you know

921
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: having a man and having a family, having little kids

922
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: you have to deal with, makes you a less reliable employee.

923
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: So of course they're going to say that the amazing

924
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: thing is we believe that this is a liberation movement.

925
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: You're so liberated you get to you know, commute to

926
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: midtown sitne ate our meetings. That's not what that's liberation.

927
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: So the truth is like, you know, getting married, having

928
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: someone who you love and loves you back, and who

929
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: is loyal to you and you're loyal to you know,

930
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: like that's the happiest thing in life. Having children, Are

931
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: you kidding? The most meaningful thing you can do. It's

932
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: not the easiest, it's not always the most fun, but

933
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: it's it's certainly the most rewarding. It's the thing that,

934
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's all that matters really in my opinion,

935
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: And so like people are like, oh, well, you know

936
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: it matters. What really matters is I don't know, going

937
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: to Saint Barts or having more sex partners, really do

938
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: They don't really think that makes you happy. Now, It's

939
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: like absurd, It's totally absurd, you know. I tell her

940
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: I back before I became afraid to the topam at

941
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: work I or PBS or it just you know, in

942
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: the past thirty years, as in television, where I've worked

943
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: for twenty six years, I would always tell the women

944
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: on it because it's like heavily women because they're amazing

945
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: producers and they're like incredibly hard working, like in a

946
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: way just candidly that a lot of men aren't. You know,

947
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: people like to hire women. That's true, because they're like awesome,

948
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, can you do this? Absolutely? And they do it.

949
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy and so but the problem is that companies

950
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: take advance touch of women, and women don't kind of

951
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: complain about it because they're so dutiful. These are generalizations,

952
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: but they're generally true, and so I would always take

953
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: the women on our staff aside and be like, you know,

954
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: you're so awesome and you're great, but like, you know,

955
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: don't forget that this is just a TV show and

956
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: in the end, you know, you want to live out

957
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: your life with like someone who really loves you, and like,

958
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: if you want children, you should have them, and don't

959
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: let your loyalty to this job, you know, convince you

960
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: to miss your own life, like take time for your

961
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: personal life. I would always say that. Now I'm like

962
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: afraid so I get fired for saying that again, I

963
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: don't know what would happen. I don't say that anymore,

964
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: but I always did because I meant it, And I

965
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: wish a woman would say that to America. You know,

966
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: it's a lie working for City Bank or you do

967
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: you think City Bank cares about you? Know, you know

968
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: who cares about you? Like your husband would care about

969
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: your kids, would care of you, your dogs care about you.

970
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 1: City Bank does not care about you. So Fox City Bank,

971
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about it. Yeah, I mean I do.

972
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, And this is something I've

973
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: been grappling with over the past year of you know,

974
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: I've put so much emphasis on work before and you know,

975
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: wanting to look towards having a family and find the

976
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: right person and get married and do that whole thing,

977
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: because it's almost as if society we've redirected people away

978
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: from things that actually have meaning in life and purpose

979
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: in life, like religion, like families, and directed it towards

980
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: things that are completely empty and unfulfilling and bring unhappiness

981
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: and sadness. It's twisted. Yeah, but you get to go

982
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: to Burning Man for a week, so it's all worth it,

983
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, you get your little nappod

984
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: in the Google break room and like, you know, you

985
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: can get free score bars, so you're you're you're good,

986
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: You're very psyched, and you can order in lunch and

987
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: the company will pay for it. Like if those are

988
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: your rewards, or you make three hundred thousand a year, Wow,

989
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: that'll make you happier. Three million a year, thirty million

990
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: a year. I mean, it's it's all such a lie.

991
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: And and I can I mean, I can say because

992
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm one of the few people I know who's like,

993
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: you know, I ran out of money at one point

994
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: how to sell my house with four wet And then

995
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: I made a lot of money, and so I've been

996
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of both ends. And I can tell you know,

997
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: debt is bad, being poor is hard. Not having enough

998
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: money is hard. But making more than you need does

999
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: not make you happy. It just doesn't. That's a lie.

1000
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think we all sort of know that,

1001
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: but let me just say it again. That's a lie.

1002
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: What makes you happy are your relationships or your commitments

1003
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: to other people, not your random relationships, like your deep relationships,

1004
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: the one that's that you sacrifice for the ones you're

1005
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: connected to for life. The person will be buried next

1006
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: to it. That matters, and nobody says it. I don't

1007
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: understand why, but you know, as noted, I just don't care.

1008
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: So I'm going to because why wouldn't I know. I

1009
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: think it's important, which is why you know, I wanted

1010
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: to bring it up, because you know, I do think

1011
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: we're turning young people towards things that are completely meaningless

1012
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: and empty, and social media, of course, draws people inside

1013
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: and away from those interpersonal relationships, which is the basis

1014
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: and foundation of happiness in society. Anything else you want

1015
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: to leave my listeners before we go, Well, just one.

1016
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: It's just on this topic. I can't control myself. I

1017
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: just had this conversation with my wife yesterday, so it's

1018
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: just at the top of mind. But we're talking about,

1019
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, happiness and unhappiness or whatever. And I thought,

1020
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: and I thought this before, but it really struck me yesterday.

1021
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think I've ever been unhappy in

1022
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: my life except because of self pity. I honestly don't

1023
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: think I have. I mean, I haven't had a ton

1024
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: of you know, bad things happen to me. I've had

1025
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: a really nice life, easy life, really, But the times

1026
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: where I've been unhappy, it's been one because I felt

1027
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: sorry for myself, one know, poor me, you know what

1028
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean. And I thought, well, what is the root

1029
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: of self pity? And of course it's narcissism, you know,

1030
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: it's it's thinking about it's obsessing over yourself, and that

1031
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: that really is the root of unhappiness. And so anything

1032
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: that pulls you deeper into yourself. And by the way,

1033
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: I would say self knowledge is really important, and that's

1034
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: a different category understanding who you are and what you want,

1035
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: what you're good at Like those are key qualities. Absolutely,

1036
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: it's key skills that you need to master. But self

1037
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: obsession is a different thing. Narcissism is a different thing.

1038
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: And you know, get out of yourself. I mean, just

1039
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: do whatever you can to get out of yourself. Not

1040
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: even for moral reasons, though I think those apply, but

1041
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: for practical reasons. You'll be happier the less you think

1042
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: about yourself, like stop googling yourself, stop taking your fucking

1043
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: self piece, like get off your phone, talk to other people,

1044
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: worry about them. You'll be way happier if you do that.

1045
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: And this is like so obvious. I'm embarrassed to say it,

1046
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: but it just struck me yesterday, like just in me.

1047
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, when I think about myself, I become unhappy.

1048
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: It's true, I think, and I think it's true for everybody. Well,

1049
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: I actually had accidentally left my phone at home when

1050
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: I went away for a weekend in the Keys, and

1051
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: it was like one of the best weekends I've had

1052
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: because I was completely connected. I'm saying, but it was

1053
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: really it was sad. It made me really sad about

1054
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: what dominance or phones have on our lives. I was

1055
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: so happy, I was so in the moment, just truly

1056
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: enjoying things in a way that you don't when you're

1057
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: checking work emails or on this or that, and it.

1058
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like, I think we'd all be

1059
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot happier without you know, these cell phones, without

1060
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: social media, all these things that take us away from

1061
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: the real moments in life and you know, those relationships

1062
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: and the things that really matter and happiness. Yeah. I'm

1063
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: not going to recommend Ted Kaczynski's second book, the one

1064
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: who Wrote from Prison, because that would be too radical

1065
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: for your listeners. But but let me just but I

1066
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: just want to get it out there for those who

1067
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: are interested, you know, maybe check it out. But um,

1068
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, technology, we have not we have

1069
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: not grappled with the effects of it. I mean, we

1070
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: had the we had the Industrial Revolution, and it caused

1071
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, political revolutions, it caused Marxism you know, around

1072
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: the world. And now we've had this digital revolution and

1073
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: we're pretending that like, oh, everything is kind of the same.

1074
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, there are consequences of this

1075
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: are um are are yet to be visible, but they're

1076
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: going to be really, they're gonna be profound. I would

1077
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: say obviously did to make another obvious point, which is

1078
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: my specialty. No, that's how your specialty. Uh, Tucker. I

1079
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: really appreciate you making the time for my podcast. It

1080
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: means a lot, man, it was thank you for having

1081
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: yea And I want to thank Tucker Carlson for making

1082
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: the time to do my podcast today and for such

1083
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: an awesome interview. And I want to thank you guys

1084
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: at home for listening. If you enjoyed today's show, please

1085
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: leave us a review and rate us five stars and

1086
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: Apple podcast. I really enjoyed reading your reviews and figuring

1087
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: out how you feel about the show and what you think.

1088
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: You can also find it on Spotify as well. You

1089
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: can find me personally on Twitter and Instagram at at

1090
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: least and rebooth and I want to give us special

1091
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: thanks to our team producer John Cassio, writer Aaron Klegman,

1092
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: researcher Isabelle mcmannon, and executive producers Debbie Myers and speaker

1093
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: New Gingrich, all part of the three sixty network and

1094
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: who make the show happen and bring it to you.

1095
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: H