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Speaker 1: If you've ever listened to a Chiefs game over the

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Speaker 1: past thirty five years. That's where we'll start this Defending

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Speaker 1: or Dan Israel aka Spartacus that and we'll update Free Agency.

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Speaker 1: Remember we're doing the Green, Red, Black thing. So it's

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Speaker 1: GRB two point zero and a tribute to Spartacus. And

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Speaker 1: of course, like every Defending the Kingdom episode, it's brought

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Speaker 1: to you by your friends at Ticketmaster. They become your

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Speaker 1: twelve month place to go for your favorite events. Let's

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Speaker 1: keep it on an RPO.

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Speaker 2: At the five.

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Speaker 1: It's a lead plot, take us out of the hands

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Speaker 1: on this side, touch down Chunzas City. However you won

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Speaker 1: I Mitch hold his voice of the Chiefs along with

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Speaker 1: senior team reporter Matt McMullen, and we're going to start, well,

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Speaker 1: let's go around the world before we start our tribute.

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Speaker 1: But we will start this podcast with a tribute to

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Speaker 1: Dan Israel, who passed on March the twentieth after a

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Speaker 1: ten year bout with cancer.

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Speaker 2: And Dan's the absolute best. Look forward to talking about him.

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Speaker 2: It's been a hard week, hard couple of days, and

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Speaker 2: we'll get into it here in a minute. I do

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Speaker 2: have four around the world's right, beginning with a pretty

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Speaker 1: So I heard from Ross Rashie Rice coming back.

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Speaker 2: I cannot wait to finally see Rashie Rice Xavier Worthy

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Speaker 2: this is something that in the dorms in Saint Joe

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Speaker 2: never happened. Well it's happening this year. Four.

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Speaker 1: It was like a light on them being like the

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Speaker 1: But we can't wait. We'll get it next year.

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Speaker 2: So four for Rashie Rice heard from Ross in Ayrshire,

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Speaker 2: I mean I googled it. It looked absolutely amazing, like

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Speaker 2: and Ross was curious if anyone listening is from Ayrshire

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Speaker 2: We heard from a listener in Portland, Oregon. I've been

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Speaker 2: a fan since nineteen sixty three. Originally grew up though

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Speaker 2: in Bellfree, Montana. Becky is checking in from South Oletha.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's back up. Nineteen sixty three would have been

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Speaker 1: the first year of the Kansas City Chiefs. They had

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Speaker 1: Although she's from Montana, but that would have been the

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Speaker 2: They also wanted you to guess who the high school

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Speaker 2: I'm going to google this so you can think of

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't deal with the nineteen twenty three trilogy, right,

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Speaker 2: I love it. So Becky is chicking in from South Aleatha.

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Speaker 2: He also mentioned bear down.

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Speaker 1: You have a bear down.

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Speaker 2: He said bear down in his message, and he also said.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's March twenty fifth, when we're shooting this,

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Speaker 1: Is it from Tucson.

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Speaker 2: is from my wife's uncle, which is at my uncle

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Speaker 2: in law. I don't know. I'm not sure how how

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Shout out to Glenn Davis. He is a Bronco fan.

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Speaker 2: But when he was younger, I guess, just wanted to

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Speaker 2: and asked for just some general stuff, and they sent

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Speaker 2: him back this envelope full of stuff. We're going to

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Speaker 1: I love the font though. Look at this fund old

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Speaker 1: And then I love the old computerized label yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from nineteen seventy eight. This is all preserved, really, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: So here's the first look at this letter says, dear

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs fan, thank you for your recent request

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Speaker 2: for information regarding the Kansas City Chiefs. Your continuous and

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Speaker 2: outstanding support is truly appreciated. And then they go on

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Speaker 2: to say, we receive a lot of mail, but we

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Speaker 2: hope you enjoy this stuff. So yeah, kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: Did they know that Glenn though, was just represented? No,

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Speaker 1: you misrepresented, dear Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Chief So I'm saying they are confused.

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Speaker 1: This is a scandal the goodness.

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Speaker 2: Of their hearts. So here we go. Here's a nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy eight roster. Love's print it out. Gary Spaney's on there.

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Speaker 2: And it's like a little bit like off to the side.

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Speaker 2: It's not perfectly even. Here's the best thing. This is

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Speaker 2: a nineteen seventy eight Chief souvenir price list. Look at

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Speaker 2: You have to include fifty cents per order for handling

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Speaker 1: So I had to order a twenty cent postcard. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's your nineteen seventy eight pocket schedule if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was not a good team. Just let's

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Speaker 1: just throw that out there. Four preseason games. I got it, yep.

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Speaker 2: And here's some football cards. So there's Gary Spanney, Art Still,

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Speaker 2: Tom Connor, famous agent, Nick Lowry, Gary Green. There's some

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Speaker 1: Really good players. They just just didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: For the any Joe Delaney card. Oh it's kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I thought you might enjoy this, get a

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Speaker 1: Heck yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy eight, it's been sitting somewhere, very well

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Speaker 2: preserved in his house, and he mailed it to me,

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Speaker 2: and here we go. Does he want you to keep

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Speaker 2: it now or is he going to Glenn once? On

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Speaker 2: all this back, I'm allowed to keep it. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure what I'll do with it. But it'll live

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Speaker 2: my office know that I have a bunch of a

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Speaker 2: random Chiefs memorabilia. So oh, there's also this it's like

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Speaker 2: a little breakdown of the team, some pictures in the front.

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Speaker 1: So Marv Levy he'd be sick.

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Speaker 2: And it's got the nineteen eighty one schedule, So well,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense, does it.

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Speaker 1: Eighty one eighty one was the uh? I mean that

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Speaker 1: team had that team had a shot, and that was

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Speaker 1: Delaney and those guys, and they they just didn't quite

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Speaker 2: So if we have stuff from seventy eight and eighty one,

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Speaker 2: do you think maybe this was like an eighty three

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Speaker 2: and they just send him a whole bunch of random stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think it was might have been. Oh well they get.

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Speaker 1: see Dan on the plane we're coming home, and I go, so,

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Speaker 1: how was it? Did you get any sound we can use?

435
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: He goes, not a lot, but he goes, the first

436
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: thing Coach asked me was about me. It wasn't about

437
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: the game. Coach completely switch gears Dan, how are you?

438
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: How's things going? He could tell he could see Dan

439
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: and know that he was coming off a tough chemo hit,

440
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: and uh, that's what coach is about. But he and

441
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: Dan had a special relationship. Coach reading Dan. So anyway, Spartacus, well,

442
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: Mischa and you are replaceable. Now we're going to finish

443
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: this episode by updating free agency. We talked about it

444
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: as GRB basically, and you know, like to categorize guys green,

445
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: the guy you gain, read, the guys you lose, and

446
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: then black or the guys you keep. And of course

447
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: all three categories are full, not only for the Chiefs

448
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: but for the other thirty one teams the National Football League.

449
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 1: It's always active this time of year. Well, we thought

450
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: we'd update you with guys that the Chiefs have gained.

451
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: And we'll start here with Jerry Tillery. You and I

452
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: love to get into the draft, we go through it,

453
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: and I remember when Jerry Tillery was coming out of

454
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He was a top prospect. He was a

455
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 1: first round pick. Yeah, the Chargers picked him late in

456
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: the first round and it just had The career is

457
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: not flourished for him like we thought it would. But

458
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Speaker 1: I remember how highly regarded Jerry Tillery was coming out

459
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame.

460
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Speaker 2: And he while he hasn't been like a superstar, he's

461
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: been a good player. I mean he's played in seventeen

462
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: games last year for the Vikings eleven starts, and of

463
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 2: course had a bunch of experience with the Chargers, like

464
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: over fifty games played I think, and also the Raiders

465
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: over the last handful of years. I think I like

466
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: most about him to go with that experience is his size.

467
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: So he's six foot six, two hundred and ninety five pounds.

468
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 2: He has the inside outside of flexibility, so he's primarily

469
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: like an inside defensive tackle, but he can also play

470
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 2: on the edge if needed, which De Spadnolo of course

471
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: loves those kind of players. But this signing is another

472
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: example of what we talked about on our last episode

473
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: where Brett Viach has done a great job of positioning us.

474
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: I think to attack the draft and truly take the

475
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Speaker 2: best players available, and you lose a guy like Trashaan Wharton,

476
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: who was so good for this team for so many years.

477
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say a player can replace another,

478
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: but Tillery, in terms of his body of work and

479
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: his body type, can kind of slide into that role,

480
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: I think. And you can attack the draft now where

481
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: if you want to take a defensive tackle high, you can,

482
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: but you don't necessarily have to because if you had

483
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 2: to roll out there on Day one against whoever we

484
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: play in the first week of the season with Jerry

485
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Tillery next to Chris Jones, that's pretty good. So I

486
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: like the signing a lot. We're going to see what

487
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: he has in training camp. But he's still a young

488
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: player with a lot of experience and versatility.

489
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Speaker 1: And we have seen this so many times, whether it's

490
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: our players are throughout the NFL having the right coach,

491
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: particularly at this time in his career. He started in

492
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that's when he was a number one draft pick,

493
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: or not a first round draft pick, but the right coach,

494
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: right scheme, right circumstance, guy's career can take off. Mike

495
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Panell is a great examplest. We're going to talk about

496
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: Mike in a second. Mike's career was redefined when he

497
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: became a Kansas City chief, and we're hoping the same

498
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: with Tillery. Now. Tillery's had productivity. First of all, he's

499
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: been available. It's the best abilities availability. Ninety six games.

500
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Speaker 1: When you look at what he's done in six years,

501
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And his twenty eight quarterback hits

502
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: in the twenty and twenty one season show you that

503
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: there is potential there. So Jerry Tillery, who's making his

504
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: way around the AFC West yp It's four teams. You're

505
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: going to stay here. You don't want to go to

506
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: the Broncos. I want you to flourish here. So great

507
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: to see Jerry now a common well much discussed name

508
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: also joins the Chiefs. We didn't talk about name and

509
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: his gardner Minshew, the mustachioed one who became famous running

510
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and everybody wearing Minshew mustaches. This is really an

511
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: intriguing person. I cannot wait to talk to him, have

512
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: yet to talk to him. Okay, are you excited him?

513
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: I'm excited for the preseason because I do the preseason

514
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: sideline stuff and Gardner Minshew is going to make the

515
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: preseason electric. I think I love like kind of his

516
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: makeup as a person. So he has a lot of experience,

517
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: which is great for your backup quarterback. But I kind

518
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: of dove into who he is as a dude when

519
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: I learned that we had signed him, which ironically our

520
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: last episode when we filmed it, we were joking around

521
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: that we're totally going to sign someone later today now,

522
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: and we did. It was Gardner Man. But anyway, his

523
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: first game ever was against the Chiefs, remember that, and

524
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: he was like amazing. He started like fifteen or fifteen

525
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: or something because.

526
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: Twenty two to twenty five for the game.

527
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: Who was I knew who he was.

528
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Speaker 1: I'm coming to college. Yeah, we'll get to that in

529
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: a second, but the dude was he was killing us. Yeah.

530
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: Nick Foles gets hurt and he comes in and we

531
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: can't force an incompletion. And he made the most of

532
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: his time in Jacksonville. He's pretty good there. Then went

533
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia and was there backup. But one of my

534
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: favorite kind of things I learned about Minshew. Have you

535
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: seen the hug he shared with his dad after he

536
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: led the Eagles to a win a handful of years ago.

537
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: It's the most like genuine authentic thing ever where if

538
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: you told me it was outside of like a high

539
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: school stadium and Gardner was like a high school senior

540
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: and led like his team to a big win. His

541
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: dad was proud of him. It was like the same thing.

542
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I still like that, Like in

543
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: the world of professional sports where there's so much money

544
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: and sponsors and everything, like, it's so cool to see

545
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: just an authentic moment. I think he plays the game

546
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: for the right reasons. In his opening pressor, he seems

547
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: so excited to be here and just to learn and

548
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: to help in any way that he can. So as

549
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: many people that like that that you can get around

550
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 2: you the better, So I'm all for it.

551
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that becomes the story because I'm gonna well

552
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: and he's so interesting because of his travels. You know.

553
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: He makes Last Chance You, the original year of Last

554
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: Chance You as a villain because he beats the he's

555
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: the antagonist by beating the team that was being featured

556
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: on Netflix, you know, and then he goes on to

557
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: win the Juco Championship and that becomes a deal. Then

558
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: he's going to go to Troy. That didn't work out,

559
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: so he goes to East Carolina. That didn't work out

560
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of. Then he goes to Washington State because he's

561
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: going to be a part of the air raid offense

562
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: Mike Leach and put up crazy numbers at Wazoo. So

563
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: then that leads to his time in the National Football League.

564
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: But boiled down two things. One, he has started forty

565
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: six games, one seventeen of them. And the definition of

566
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback in the NFL is can you win

567
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: a game? Can you win a game on your own?

568
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: Pat can't play? Can you win a game? Matt Moore

569
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: did it? Remember against the Vikings back in the twenty

570
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: nineteen season, and we saw what chand heading did heroic

571
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna throw Bailey Zappion here because he's that's

572
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: the quarterback room now. Still Chris Oladokins in there as well.

573
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: I mean there's but that room. It's got to be

574
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: the room. So Gardner Minshew's value here for Patrick Mahomes

575
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: and Matt Nagy and the rest of the offensive step,

576
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: but especially that room. Now Bailey Zappi is interesting. He

577
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: was with us for a while and then he gets claimed,

578
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: right Cleveland gets him, and he was with New England.

579
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: And he's also won four games as a starter in

580
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: the National Football League with the Patriots. But Bailey, Zappi's

581
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: history with Pat goes back to a guy named Zach Kittley.

582
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: And I remember Pat and I talking about this in

583
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: the equipment room where Zappi had gone to. It was

584
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: formerly Houston Baptist, now it's Houston Christian. And that was

585
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: his coach. Well, that was the GA offensive graduate assistant

586
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: at Texas Tech when Pat was at TACH. What a

587
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: small world, like, Pat revers this guy, this guy's kind

588
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: of a guru, is offensive guy. And so Zappi goes

589
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: and goes with him to Houston Christian and rename Baptist

590
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Baptist Christian Huskies and lights it up. So what is

591
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: this dude gets the Western Kentucky job. Okay, here goes Bailey,

592
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: goes with him to Western Kentucky and puts up incredible numbers.

593
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: If you remember Zappi coming out of Western Kentucky was

594
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: like it was like Pat, yeah, you know these like

595
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: video game numbers, and so Zappi is really interesting. But

596
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: there's a tie here with Patrick Mahomes in the quarterback room.

597
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: So with Minshew, how well do you fit in? What

598
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: can you bring to the table? He said the right

599
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: things during the press conference. Chad, Henny's the poster child here. Yeah,

600
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: because it's it's more about the room with Zappi and

601
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: Minshew as it is anything else that And you may

602
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: have to win a game in the National hopefully not,

603
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: but you have to win a game the National Football League,

604
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: and if you have to, have to have to win

605
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: a playoff game.

606
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, which we should ask Gardner if he's prepared to

607
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: take the field in the divisional round like Chad had

608
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: to do a couple of times, the ninety eight yard

609
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: drive nine, our driver throw the ball in four found

610
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: you know, on your side of the field. But I'm

611
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: with you in so many ways. The quarterback room, like

612
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: you said, is about more than just like going out

613
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: there and playing. It's about a room of shared experiences,

614
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: but also experiences from other places and to say, hey,

615
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: what about this or why don't we try that? And

616
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's like any kind of collaborative group where

617
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: maybe someone says something from a different perspective and you

618
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: learn something that maybe you wouldn't have thought of on

619
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: your own, and that helps you win a game. So

620
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: the more minds and guys from different places we can

621
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: get in there, the better. And yeah, hopefully they don't

622
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: have to play in like big situations, but if they do,

623
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: you have faith in them. And like I said, the

624
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: preseason should be exciting. So for forty.

625
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: Six starts, now that's two and a third years of starting. Yeah,

626
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: so he sees something on video that Pat may not

627
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: see or coach may not see, or nags may not see,

628
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: but he sees it because he's lived it, He's done it.

629
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's not been in a flight simulator,

630
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: he's been in combat, and so I think that becomes

631
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: very very important. We saw down through the years with guys,

632
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, excited to get his experience and his kind

633
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: of edge to go to that quarterback room. And you're right,

634
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: it will create a lot of fun in the preseason.

635
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: But let's jump ahead now to the black category, which

636
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: is the guys you keep. And it's not black for

637
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: the Raiders. It's black because hey, it's not greener red

638
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: you kept them. I'm super excited because since we did

639
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: our last episode, there are guys that have re signed

640
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs, and I'm so fired up

641
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: about every one. I'm going to mention here and we

642
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: can discuss it. We're going to start with Kareem Hunt. Okay,

643
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: what I learned last year in the twenty twenty fourth

644
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: season is I like second and four a whole lot

645
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: better than second and ten or second and nine. Let

646
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: me give you a stat this is crazy of the

647
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. Last year, second and four or five

648
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: to go, the Chiefs had the most second and fours

649
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: or fives of any team in the NFL with seventy eight. Wow.

650
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: The next was Cincinnati was sixty one. Huh. What does

651
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that do? It makes coaches iPad come alive. And if

652
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm running the ball and I can get or a

653
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: short pass and I get four or five on first down, lookout.

654
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: It's one of the main reasons the Kansas City Chiefs

655
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: made it to Super Bowl fifty nine. I think that

656
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: in his seven touchdowns. Yeah, he's a red zone rushing threat.

657
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: He's maybe not going to run for seventy five yards

658
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: on a run the dead gummut, He's going to get

659
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: to the end zone and he'll walk off a game

660
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: like he did against Tampa Bay and no negative runs.

661
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: So the Chiefs had the fewest non kneel down negative

662
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: rushes of any team in the NFL last year by far,

663
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: only like twenty two of them. And Kareem is a

664
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: big reason why. Because Kareem never goes down at first contact,

665
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: and you could count on one hand the number of

666
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: times he was tackled in the backfield, Like whenever you

667
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: give him the ball, he might not get you six yards,

668
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: but he'll get you at least three or at least four.

669
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: And to your point, that allows the offense to keep

670
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: moving along and coach read as every thing at its disposal,

671
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: because the worst thing you can be in is second

672
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: and fourteen or third and seventeen, like it really constricts

673
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: your ability to move the chains. Well. Kareem kept the

674
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: offense on schedule throughout the year and in so many

675
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: ways saved our season. Because you lose Hollywood Brown early

676
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: in the year, lose Rashi Rice early in the year,

677
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: lose Isaiah Pacheco after the Bengals game. I mean, these

678
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: are some guys that you were counting on to be major,

679
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: major contributors, and to bring Kareem in here after not

680
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: playing the first several weeks of the season. You sign

681
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: him off the street, you bring him in here, and

682
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: he I think led this team in scrimmage yards. I

683
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: think he had the most rushing touchdowns on the team

684
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: and second to only Xavier in terms of total touchdowns

685
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: on the team, and he only played a handful of games.

686
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, just incredible for him to come in here,

687
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: to really sacrifice his potty in so many ways and

688
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: to give his all to this team. We don't make

689
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: the super Bowl last year without Kareem Hunt. And yeah,

690
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad he's back. Let's get him a full offseason now,

691
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: back in the system. The offensive system does have to

692
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: show up in week four and figure it out as

693
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: he goes. But Kaream showed us a lot of heart

694
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: last year. He deserves to be back here, and I'm

695
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: excited to see what he can do.

696
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: In two hundred carries. I mean, geez, unreal. Now, Cream's

697
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: got to get ready to go back to a seventeen

698
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: and eighteen body of like because now he has coaches

699
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: OTAs in his camp. Yep, okay, you missed all that

700
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: last year. Kaream get ready to do it again? Huh.

701
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: Another guy missed it but came back and it was

702
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: great and helped our season. As Juju Smith Schuster, this

703
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: re signing is bigger than people think they're going. Wait

704
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: a minute, I can't take Juju on my fantasy squad. Well,

705
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: he'll give you a thirty one yard play like he

706
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: did in the AFC Championship game against Buffalo, or a

707
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: fifty yarder he had against New Orleans. But I learned

708
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: in the first year, the first couple of years that

709
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: Andy Reid was here in Kansas City about a role

710
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: that he has for certain guys. And it is almost

711
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: like a screen setter in basketball, where I set a scream,

712
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: but I might you know, picking, and I might hit

713
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: a shot, but my screens are so good that you're

714
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: going to get a shot all day long. Juju Smith

715
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Schuster's role in this offense is greater than anybody. I think.

716
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: Then most people realize because he does so much, not

717
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: just short yardage, but his ability to move and screen

718
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: and use his body legally in the way he does

719
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: his business to accept that role because it's a big

720
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: difference than what he did when he was just a

721
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: laser light show early with the Pittsburgh Steelers to accept

722
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: that role that is so important in this offense. I

723
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: saw it initially with Jason Elevant. Jason Evant, I thought, okay,

724
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: but I see how coach used him. Juju coming back

725
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: is a big deal.

726
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And also maybe he can embrace and

727
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 2: fully utilize that role a little bit more this year

728
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 2: because he won't be forced into other roles because hopefully

729
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: we don't have injuries throughout the wide receiver room again.

730
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean, what a godsend Juju was last year, got

731
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: here like five days before the season opener and help

732
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: this team win again. You lose, Hollywood, you lose Rashi

733
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: Xavier had to take on a whole new role, which

734
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: meant Juju had to slide into a different role. And

735
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: it's kind of a thankless job sometimes. But you ever

736
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: watch Juju blocking, like all the little things that he does,

737
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: Like Juju just loves being here, loves being a part

738
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: of the winning and he'll do whatever it takes to

739
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: help this team win. So yeah, glad Juju's back. He's

740
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: still so young, Like how old is Juju? Like twenty eight?

741
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: He started when he was like seventeen.

742
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's not that old, so.

743
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Like, how was it usc like he was a junior,

744
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean nineteen or something.

745
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of good football left in him.

746
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: And this receiver room at this point, I'm excited about

747
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: it because in so many ways we were excited about

748
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: last year's room. Then Juju got added to the fold,

749
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: and it's like, all right, once Hollywood comes back, this

750
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: scrop's going to be awesome. Well we never saw it

751
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: actually come to fruition, but now we might have a chance.

752
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: So glad Juju's back. And just like Kareem, he has

753
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: the entire offseason training program now with the offense. I

754
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: get he had been here before, but it's still a

755
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: little bit different when you show up like five days beforehand.

756
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: He has the entire offseason now to really be ingrained

757
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: in the offense, and I think that'll help him out.

758
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: One, he's super smart too. He creates energy. Yeah, he's

759
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: a really good energy creator. The other thing is, just

760
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: like Kareem who has to channel us enter at seventeen

761
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and eighteen, self, he's got a channels Enter twenty twenty

762
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: two self, yep, because he too is going to have

763
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: to endure coaches, OTAs and training camp, but he's been

764
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: through it before. Another guy that'll have to do that

765
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: is I'm so excited, So are you about getting him

766
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: resigned because I wasn't sure what was going to happen.

767
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Is the twenty twenty four defensive version of Hollywood Brown,

768
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: and that is Charles and Mena who Charles Amena who

769
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: We saw him flash. We saw him flash in the

770
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: playoffs in twenty twenty three, his impactful games that he

771
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: had even in that Week eighteen victory over the Chargers

772
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: when he ripped the ball out that led to the

773
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: ninety seven yard scoop and score, but also his plays

774
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: in the playoff and then he tears his ACL in

775
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game. He cannot play in Super Bowl

776
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: fifty eight. And you get injured that late, it just

777
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: takes the next season and really throws it off the track.

778
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: And we thought Winsley geming back, Winsley coming back. He

779
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: came back and had his moments, but it was like

780
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: the rocket, just like with Hollywood Brown, never really got

781
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: off the launching pad. And now he's got an off

782
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: season and I'm so fired up to have him because

783
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: he's so impactful when you look at his twenty career

784
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: sacks nineteen and a half, but more importantly his eight

785
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: passes defense, his six forced fumbles, his fifty three quarterback hits.

786
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: He impacts a play way more than just getting sacks.

787
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the most underrated players in

788
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: the NFL, and the reason that people outside of Chiefs

789
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: Kingdom might not know much about him is just because

790
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: of the limited amount of time he's been on the

791
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: field the last couple of years. Well, this year we

792
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: finally get a full season of Charles Himnihu and I'm

793
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: so fired up about it because whenever he's been on

794
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: the field, he's just been effective for this team. Look

795
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: at a couple of years ago. Let's see twenty nine pressures,

796
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: seven sacks in just eleven games in twenty twenty three. Then,

797
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: of course at the ACL injury when he came back,

798
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: twelve pressure is, a sack and a forced fumble in

799
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: six games, then three tackles for loss in the sack

800
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: and three playoff games had that strip sack on a CJ. Stroud.

801
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: So he's just such a great player for this defense.

802
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: Steve Spagnolo loves him because of his positional versatility. He

803
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: has that length where he can knock down passes, he

804
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: can bounce inside, but also be so good as an

805
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: outside edge rusher. And you look at the dynamic of

806
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: this defensive line right now. Having Charles versus not having

807
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: Charles makes such a huge difference. Because you had Charles

808
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: and Minihu to this group. George carloftis on the other side,

809
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: you can rotate in guys like Mike Danam and Felix

810
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: and new dk Uzama. There's just a lot of depth

811
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: there at edge rusher when you add a player like

812
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: Charles and Menihu. So getting him back is a big deal.

813
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: Hopefully he goes out there, has a big year, can

814
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: finally play a full season with the Chiefs. And I

815
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: know how much it meant to him to get back

816
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl because he couldn't play in twenty

817
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: twenty three. Game obviously didn't go the way that he planned.

818
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: But now he's back with the Chiefs and let's go

819
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: take care of business for Charles and the Super Bowl

820
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: this year.

821
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, your point and to me talking about creating energy,

822
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: which is juju what he does and even Kaream in

823
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: his own way. Yeah, there is a hunger with Charles

824
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: that you see every day.

825
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: It was on our show when we had him on

826
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: before the Bills game.

827
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: You can tell you look at his eye and that

828
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: look is there every day every time I see him.

829
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: He's there and so disappointed that didn't get super Bowl

830
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: fifty nine for him, but he's ready to go get sixty. Yeah. Yes,

831
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: And to your point, this I think is very good.

832
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: If you take his numbers and would somehow translate it

833
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: to a seventeen game season, he's going to lead the

834
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: league or be a pro bowler in many categories. Yeah,

835
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: it's just getting seventeen games. So anyway, Charles the mount

836
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: who's back. Another one I'm fired up about is Mike Panell.

837
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: Mike Panell had his best season as a pro, and

838
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: he's been around now double digits in this league. Mike

839
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: is the example we gave you early in this podcast

840
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: of looking like Atillery who could thrive in this environment,

841
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: this defense. Mike has done that. Now we look at

842
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: his sacks, three sacks, right career high by far, but

843
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: and played thirty percent of the snaps. But those were

844
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: a good thirty percent. And the defensive rotation the Chiefs

845
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: had last year was outstanding. And what excites me now

846
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: is you basically have that rotation back. He lose Turk Wharton,

847
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: his quickness and his ability to explode, but you have

848
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: the principal pieces now to have that defensive rotation the

849
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: inside outside we talked about that could make this defense

850
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: really good and sneaky good in twenty twenty five.

851
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: And Penell man such like a thankless role for the

852
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: most part. I'm glad he got the sacks last year

853
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: because when you're just like a run stuffer, it's hard

854
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: to quantify that. But I'm going to quantify it. Okay,

855
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: So Pro Football Focus can do this.

856
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: And he was Aninja turtle got his sack.

857
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: On this Yes he did. It's hilarious. So he recorded

858
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: the best run defense grade among defensive tackles on the

859
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: Chiefs last year, and among defensive tackles with one hundred

860
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: and fifty run defense snaps that's a pool of ninety

861
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: nine players. He ranked thirteenth against the run according to

862
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: their metrics. Say what you want to about Pro Football Focus,

863
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. So Mike Panell when he was in

864
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: the game and against the run, was among the very

865
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: best at his position in that situation that's saying something

866
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: and bringing a player like that back only makes this

867
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: defensive line better. And this is something else you can't

868
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: really quantify. But he's like the ultimate glue guy. I've

869
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: said that before. People like being around him. He's a

870
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: good locker room guy. And it's easy to be a

871
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: good locker room guy when you're winning, but when the

872
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: team is losing or had struggles, he's also been the

873
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: same guy. He's been a motivator. He's the kind of

874
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: player you want around. So you take a player who

875
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: is productive well man a fairly thankless role, do it

876
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: really well, a role that you need to have on

877
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: your team. And also he's just a great guy to

878
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: be around and helps bring the team together. Those are

879
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: the kind of players you want around.

880
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: He too, like Kareem Hutt, Charles Amanahu Juju Smith, Schuster

881
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: has got to get ready for a coach's Ota and

882
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: trading camp because he's skipped on his last year. So

883
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: all right, Mike, get ready to go, buddy. You know

884
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: what to expect, but it's awesome to have you back.

885
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: And then finally, Marlin Twey below two UH we know

886
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: about his brother, UH plays for the Chargers, But I'm

887
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: excited for him to get more of a chance. We

888
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: saw him, he played sixty one snaps. We saw him,

889
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, in that Week eighteen game. But he is

890
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: one that you and I will watch during OTAs and

891
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: during the mini camps to see what we've got there,

892
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: because when you look at it, he's had you know,

893
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: he's got three sacks in his career two and twenty

894
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: three with the Eagles. But if I mean, that's an

895
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: important piece, this defensive front. If you're you ought to

896
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: be excited about this group because in some ways it

897
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: got better, but it kept everything together. And this is

898
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: a defensive group that we talked about it. We you

899
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: talked about it at nauseum. Took on the best running

900
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: backs the league had and either contain them or shut

901
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: them down. And to hold Sakuon Barkley to two point

902
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: three a carry on that many carries tells you everything.

903
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: And those were runs that he was stopped before the

904
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: game was decided.

905
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: And if there's one strength in this draft class, it's

906
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: the defensive line. So I don't know what the Chiefs

907
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: will end up doing, but there will be an opportunity

908
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: to make this defensive line even better in the draft

909
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: coming up at about a month, Can I add one

910
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: more guy?

911
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: YEA thrown in there.

912
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: So we signed Robert Rochelle this week, and he's interesting

913
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: because he's a corner from the Packers. Still pretty young.

914
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: He's primarily been kind of like exclusively a special teamer

915
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: during his career, particularly with the Packers, and a gunner specifically.

916
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: But go back to the game. I think it was

917
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: Sunday Night football, maybe it was against the Dolphins night

918
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: game at Lambeau. He recovered a fumble in that game. Ironically,

919
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: that's the game that locked up a playoff spot for

920
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. I remember texting you, like, all right, check

921
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: the first box. But it's a super athletic play where

922
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: he gets right down the field, he gets off his

923
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: block to a full spin that lands on the ball.

924
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, let's see if he

925
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: can get some defensive snaps here with the Chiefs, see

926
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: what he can do in the secondary. But also, you

927
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: like having players like that that are athletic, they're young,

928
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: and they're hungry to be on special teams. S Dave

929
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: Tobill love this guy. He has some big time athletic

930
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: traits as well. So back in twenty twenty, he was

931
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: on Bruce Felban's Freaks List. You ever look at that?

932
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: For those that don't know, it's basically just a list

933
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: of the players with the craziest like athletic measurables in

934
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: college football. He's six. Carson Steel is definitely on the

935
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: Freaks List. He's six foot tall, one hundred and ninety

936
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: three pounds, runs a four to three eight. He had

937
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: an eleven foot eight inch broad jump. Just big time

938
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: athletic traits. So we'll see what he can do here

939
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: in Kansas City. He was a fourth round pick back

940
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. But I'm just saying, you have

941
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: a player like this with big time athletic traits who's

942
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 2: hungry and eager to be on special teams, that helps

943
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: your team overall. So Robert Rochelle is also a guy

944
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: we should talk about.

945
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: If he locks down gunner, yeah, exact or bracket guy,

946
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: one of the two spots there as gunner and locks

947
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: it down like a Matthews later type, that is big

948
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: for this team because different guys have done that in

949
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: different roles. We've had starters out there, young guys. But

950
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: if somebody locks that down and becomes elite. That is

951
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: a big deal. In a way, the twenty five chiefs

952
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: can improve in a great deal.

953
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: And maybe he could be that guy. We'll find out.

954
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna say goodbye with the guys on the red list,

955
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: and these hurt. You know. I'm gonna put together a

956
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: social piece I think for every one of them, just

957
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: because I just we get involved in him, and to

958
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: say goodbye is tough. Mcole Hardman three super Bowl rings.

959
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna do well in Green Bay. This is different

960
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: than it's time with the Jets, I think. And his

961
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: fifty eight yard kickup or kickoff returned against Houston started

962
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: everything in twenty nineteen super Bowl winning catch and super

963
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty eight, but way more than that, he was

964
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: master of the Jets sweeps and did a lot. Derek Noddy,

965
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: we talk about Jerry Tillery, we talk about run stuffing.

966
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: He was one of the more unselfish players I've ever seen.

967
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: Three super Bowl rings. That's six super Bowl rings from

968
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: two dudes. So we'll say goodbye to them, wish them

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: the best. I hope Derek has a great career continued

970
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: with the Jets. But these are guys we will hug

971
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: at reunions and remember them finally.

972
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: So Derek was part of the twenty eighteen draft class

973
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: YEP and then mcole the twenty nineteen draft class. Two

974
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: of the best people and guys you'll ever meet, Like

975
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: just so friendly and kind, always willing to do stuff

976
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: for the team in any capacity on the field or

977
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: off the field, or you know, like with our social

978
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: media department or with you and I just talking on

979
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: the podcast, Like just the nicest, kindest people ever, Like

980
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: McCole is genuinely one of the coolest, most down to

981
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: earth people I think I've ever met. And Derek is quieter,

982
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: but he's so friendly in kind once you get to

983
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: know him. We're so fortunate to get to know both

984
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: those guys over the years. They help this team win

985
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: so much, and I'm glad that they both had their moments.

986
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: I was so happy that mc coole caught the game

987
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: winning type down super Bowl fifty eight. I found him

988
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: on the field afterward, and I'm like, I am so

989
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: happy for you because you've earned every bit of this.

990
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: And for Derek, I'll never forget after Super Bowl fifty four,

991
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: he was miked up. He's wandering around the Field saying,

992
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: I've never been a champion before in my life, and

993
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: today I'm a champion. And little did he know he

994
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: was going to be a champion a few more times.

995
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: So we appreciate those guys that those guys are chiefs

996
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: for life, no matter that they're signing elsewhere. Of course,

997
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: going to make some money and continue their careers and

998
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 2: have great success, I hope, but in my book, they're

999
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: chiefs for life.

1000
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Derek Noughty also got all this started. Remember his interception

1001
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: in Mexico City. Yeah, that game started everything. I didn't

1002
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: lose after that game. That was that start of the streak.

1003
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: And I remember that interception, like, Derek Noughty's just I'm

1004
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: calling to play, and I remember seeing him after the game.

1005
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: He's just like grinning ear to ear like I got

1006
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: an interceptionally. But do you ever have a friend move

1007
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: away in grade school? Oh?

1008
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the worst?

1009
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I had Johnny Jones. He moved away in fourth grade.

1010
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: He went the Grand Colorade. I don't even know where

1011
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: he's at now. But that's what this feels like, is

1012
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: to lose two good friends that moved away. We wish

1013
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: them the best, but thank you. Nicole Hartman and thank

1014
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: you Derek Noddy, and you have six Super Bowl rings

1015
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: between the two of you from your time here. So

1016
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: we also remember Spartacus and Dan Israel and he will

1017
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: be remembered Thursday at a memorial service here in Kansas

1018
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: City at the Church of the Resurrection. But we also

1019
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: always want to keep you up with the g r

1020
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: B of NFL Free Agency