1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you for tuning in. 3 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: We are coming to you with a fresh hot coffee 4 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: and some fresh hot takes on this Monday morning as 5 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: we record this. Who knows when you'll hear it. I'm kidding, 6 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: it's either a Tuesday or Thursday. It's true, ben Um. 7 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: The takes that we plan to bring today are of 8 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: the hot, honest variety, So be careful. And you're nol No, 9 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm not, You're not not today. That was That was 10 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: a false flag. That was a false identity of yours. Well, 11 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: I guess so. I mean a false flag would be 12 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: if I said I was China and then attacked the 13 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: United States, but I was actually an agent of a 14 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: different country trying to put the blame on China. A 15 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: good example of a false flag would be if superproducer 16 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: Casey Pegrom hacked his own bank account and then blamed 17 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: it on a different person or country. Uh, and then 18 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: use that as an excuse to go to war. But 19 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: you're a peaceful dude, Casey. I don't see you waging 20 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: one man war against an entire country. No, No false 21 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: flags here, no sorrey, are you saying that you I 22 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: would not be a believable China as an individual. People 23 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: would not buy that I was in fact of the 24 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: country of China. Well maybe if you did it online 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: in like a chat uh and you and you wrote 26 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: in you either you you spoke in Mandarin and you 27 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: sounded like one point three ish billion people or you 28 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: you know, you wrote out the idiograms. I feel like 29 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: you could pull it off. Maybe not in person, but 30 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: online definitely you got this. You got this. I really 31 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: was hoping to be able to do it in person then, 32 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: but I guess if onlines are I can manage them, 33 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: That's what I'll do. Um So today, Yeah, it's true, 34 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about a false flag attack, specifically against Cuba. 35 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: It's true. So we have defined false flag with a 36 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: bit of a cavalier approach. But but our our two 37 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: comparisons hit the mark. A false flag attack is a 38 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: term that describes a country purporting to be attacked by 39 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: a foreign entity of some sort, when in fact they 40 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: are attacking themselves. Right. So, there are so many alleged 41 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: false flags throughout modern history. The Gulf of Tonkin incident 42 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: is one famous alleged false flag because according to the 43 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: official narrative, Uncle Sam still says that was legit. The 44 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: rest is fake news. Uh. We often we often relegate 45 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the concept of false flags, the concept of this deceitful action, 46 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: to the realm of fringe theory, revisionist history, conspiracies, and whatnot. However, 47 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: today we are examining a case of a genuine would 48 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: be false flag proposed by good old folks here at 49 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: the us of A. And just a little background that 50 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: might be super obvious to most people, especially folks who 51 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: listen to our other show stuff. They don't want you 52 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: to know we cover things like this all the time. 53 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: A false flag attack refers to, I guess, the idea 54 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: of in an engagement in warfare, you're supposed to identify yourself, right, 55 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: like using a flag or some sort of markings on 56 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: your uniform. And uh, with a false flag attack, you 57 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: are misidentifying yourself on purpose to create a diversion or uh, 58 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: draw the attention to a country that you are trying 59 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: to um kind of malign essentially, or create a false 60 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: conflict between these countries, unbeknownst to the party that you 61 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: are impersonating, right right, nail on the head there man. 62 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: And today's episode takes us to the Cold War, takes 63 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: us to the nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties, and to Cuba. 64 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: So the United States was terrified by the threat of 65 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: communism right and Cuba, the country and islands of Cuba, 66 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: was at the time seeing as a proxy for the 67 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: U S. S R. A communist nation right on the doorstep, 68 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 1: the reds, they called them, and the people in charge 69 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: of the U. S Military and the US political machine 70 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: at the time were absolutely certain that there would be 71 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: some lack of a better phrase, there would be some 72 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: sort of domino effect, that its first Caribbean countries would 73 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: fall to communism, and then that it would spread like 74 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: some sort of ideological disease throughout South America, and the 75 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: next thing you know, there's an uprising in Mexico and 76 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: maybe even Canada. This was alarmist, alarmist thinking, and it 77 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: was taken seriously. So the U. S spent a lot 78 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: of time, as we learned later through declassified documents, trying 79 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: to figure out ways to over throw the government of 80 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: Cuba or assassinate the leader of that government, a man 81 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: that is probably familiar to many of us called Fidel Castro. 82 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, this scheme that was cooked up, 83 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't just some kind of like hair brained idea. 84 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: It was very much a product of the Joint chiefs 85 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: of Staff and its Secretary of Defense, Robert mcnamary's kind 86 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: of a big deal looms large in international politics. So 87 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: so we know that there were numerous failed attempts, some 88 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: that never made it out of the out of the 89 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: pitch room, right uh. And there was the Bay of 90 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: Pigs invasion, which was a failure by all accounts. And 91 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: the attempts to depose or assassinate Fidel Castro were collected 92 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: under a CIA program that was called Operation Mongoose, or 93 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: its street name was the Cuban Project. So if you 94 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: were a member of the agency and you were talking 95 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: in you know, semi mixed company, you might just refer 96 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: to it as the Cuban Project, led by a General 97 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: Edward Lansdale of the U. S. Air Force. Were not 98 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: sure even now in where the idea for what would 99 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: be called Operation Northwoods germinated. It may have originated with 100 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: President Eisenhower towards the end of his administration, but past McNamara, 101 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: we can't nail down a specific time and date. All 102 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: we know is that Eisenhower did tell the head of 103 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the Joint Chiefs and other aids in his cabinet that 104 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: he wanted to move against Castro before the for the 105 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: inauguration of the new president. And all he was waiting for, basically, 106 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: was for the Cuban government to give him some sort 107 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: of excuse, use, any excuse, and then and then the 108 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: time grows short. Right, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. Eisenhower flutes this idea. 109 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: He says, you're at all you know this cast role 110 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: fella doesn't provide an excuse to invade. Well, perhaps the 111 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: US could think of manufacturing something that would be generally acceptable. 112 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:34,359 Speaker 1: Generally acceptable means he was suggesting some sort of pretext 113 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: for war, Right, a bombing, perhaps uh an attack, an 114 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: act of sabotage carried out against the US, and we 115 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,239 Speaker 1: would tell everyone that it was it was the communist 116 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: forces doing this. Right, We're not talking about necessarily a 117 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: huge catastrophic loss of life. We're talking about maybe a 118 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: coastguard boat, right that got inc or something that makes 119 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: an ironclad case for us to tell the public, the 120 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: U S public that these are acts of Cuban aggression, 121 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: and we must act to save American lives. The problem 122 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: with that is that Cuba wasn't going to do that, 123 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: so we were going to attack our own stuff. That 124 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: was the idea, right, No, totally, but they were not 125 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: able to pull this off. At the time. Kennedy would 126 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: not approve any of this kind of action, and the 127 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: general that was in charge of all this stuff, General 128 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: limnitzer Um, was really irritated at the fact that Kennedy 129 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: would not play ball, and he was also irritated, equally 130 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: irritated at the fact that Castro seemed to be kind 131 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: of like cooling his heels a little bit. You know, 132 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't going to be the one that 133 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: was gonna like the match that that set the fire, 134 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, exactly exactly. So fast forward to February twenty six, 135 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. We mentioned two generals so far. Let's 136 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: remember the earlier one, General Lansdale. This is the guy 137 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: who was cooking with gas in Operation Mongoose. In Operation 138 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Mongoose again, is this sort of mix tape of increasingly 139 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: cartoonish ideas about how to overthrow or assassinate Fidel Castro. 140 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy hates this stuff. It's like this is more 141 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: and more ridiculous. We're talking about poisoned or exploding cigars. 142 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: There was a plan at one point to try to 143 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: make Castro lose his beard, which wouldn't kill him. It's 144 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: just just like shame him, you know, as people would 145 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: be like, Astro without a beard is like a bird 146 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: without a song. You know, I can no longer follow you, 147 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: which is which is weird and tells us how condescending 148 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: these folks were. They they thought very little of the 149 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: intelligence of the Cuban people. So Robert Kennedy goes to 150 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: General Landsdale and says, look, just drop this mongoose thing. 151 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Drop all these efforts to antagonized or assassinate Fidel Castro. Instead, 152 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: just concentrate on learning more about Cuba. Just concentrate learning 153 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: stuff before you tried this regime change. And Lansdale hated this. 154 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: He felt very, very sidelined. He thought that the Kennedy 155 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: brothers had gone soft on Castro. And this is where 156 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: the other general that you just mentioned, Limnitzer, comes into play. Yeah, 157 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: because he because, like we said before, he was very 158 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: annoyed that he couldn't get the support of Kennedy, the president, 159 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: or his brothers, you know, who were also powerful. Man. Uh, 160 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: And there was this sense that his window for this invasion, 161 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: that he saw us being so crucial, was you know, 162 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: kind of slipping through his fingers, right, And uh, he 163 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: felt like these efforts that too. So let's ben let's 164 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what were some of the 165 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: things they were doing to provoke the public, you know, 166 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: the Cuban citizen rate, to maybe revolt against Castro. We 167 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: did have some efforts to make that happen, isn't that right? 168 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: It goes way back, It goes way way, way, way 169 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: way back. As part of the Spanish American War, the 170 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: US invaded and occupied Cuba when it was ruled by 171 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: Spain in eighteen nine eight and occupied the country until 172 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: nineteen o two, and then there was a brief period 173 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: of insolvents or independence, however you want to call it. 174 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: In the US occupied it again from nineteen o six 175 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: to nineteen o nine, and then briefly nineteen twelve, and 176 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: then from nineteen seventeen to nineteen twenty two. The United 177 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: States has a very very long history of interfering with Cuba. 178 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: For something, this was seen as a necessary step to 179 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: prevent the encroachment of foreign powers, you know what I mean, 180 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: first the Spanish Empire, later the USSR, and for others 181 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: this was seen as bellicost act of and outside country 182 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,359 Speaker 1: trying to interfere with another country or nations internal affairs. 183 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: So there are a couple of ways to look at it, 184 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: but it's it's true. The CIA has a long history 185 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: of fomenting revolution or attempting to do so through proxy 186 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: protests groups, So students spontaneously protesting, you know what I mean, 187 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: tail as old as time. Unfortunately, so there were some 188 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: activities like that most likely well, and unfortunately again that 189 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: stuff wasn't working, No, it was. It was very it 190 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: was very toothless. It seemed like if it had ever 191 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: worked at all, it certainly wasn't working anymore. And they're 192 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: just to be no inclination on the part of the 193 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: Cuban government to launch the attack that we very weirdly 194 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: so desperately wanted, right absolutely, so, Limnitzer and the other 195 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: joint chiefs can get together, no doubt in the smoky 196 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: back room and say, yeah, they are the joint chiefs 197 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: after all, Chief joints. They who knows, I imagined that 198 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: they would see marijuana as hippie stuff. You think so? Yeah, 199 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: they were probably more hard drinkers. Think it made them 200 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: more creative. Look, look, hey man, some of these ideas 201 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: in that Operation Mongoose sound like the product of a 202 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: bunch of stoners in the back room. Stoners. I don't know. 203 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: That seems kind of aggrove for stoner's. Yeah, maybe more 204 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: like emphetamine. Emphetamines were very popular in that time, right, Also, 205 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe this was like a pill thing. I 206 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: don't even what pills did they have back then? Do 207 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: they have qualutes Benny's? Yeah? Poppers? Is that what? Queludes 208 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: are my go to drug joke because I don't know 209 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: really what they are. Well, have you seen Wolf of 210 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Wall Street? Yes, and that scene where he takes the 211 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: quayludes and falls down the stairs repeatedly in like an 212 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: amazing comical form and tries to get in the car. Yeah, yeah, 213 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: it makes you like noodle person. That's what lud does. 214 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: I just like saying ludes. Yeah. Remember that game drug 215 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: Wars that you play on the graphic calculators back in 216 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: the day. No, it was like, what do you remember 217 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: this casey, I totally remember this. Yeah. So the T 218 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: I E D three graphic calculators have these little apps 219 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: you could load into them. I guess I don't remember 220 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: how you even did it, but one of them was 221 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: drug Wars and you play it with alpha numeric key 222 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: entries to kind of like generate responses. And I remember 223 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: one of the drugs you could buy was ludes, and 224 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this Ludes? That sounds decadent. 225 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: It's a it's a brand name, it's sold as I 226 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: think the drug is still around in different countries. But 227 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: doing to drugs kids definitely not. You'll end up like 228 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: the joint chiefs I knew, who knows. Maybe you know 229 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: ideology is a drug and that's definitely whatever they were doing. 230 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: That's the drug that they got the highest on the 231 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: most often. So they say, we're going to trick the 232 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: American public. We need to get the US behind us, 233 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: and because this is an international operation, we would hopefully 234 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: ideally also full the rest of the world, or at 235 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: least get a nod and a wink from our friendly 236 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: countries who are also fighting communism. So they said, if 237 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: we can, if we can get everybody two turn against Cuba, 238 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: then they'll allow us to make war on this nation. 239 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: But well, no, we did a super top notch job. 240 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: If everyone in the world outside of Cuba insist that 241 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: we launched this war against Castro, there was a secret 242 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: document from the Joint Chiefs of Staff which is declassified now, 243 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: in which they say, blatantly explicitly, let me, let me, 244 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: let me try villainous boys out here. Well, the opinion 245 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: and the United Nations full should be favorably affected by 246 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash 247 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: and irresponsible and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to 248 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the peace of the Western hemisphere. At the end of that, 249 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: everybody's like, of course and ringing their hands and all 250 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: that stuff. That's a very Lord of the Rings villain 251 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: kind of sound. That yeah, yeah, Lord of the Rings 252 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: is loosely based on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at 253 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: least the ring brace. That's what I heard. Um. So 254 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: here's the thing that happens next, Operation Northwood um, which 255 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: had been approved by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs 256 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: of Staff, every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Um. 257 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: It Actually this is what the plan contained several quite 258 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: horrendous acts of of of faux terrorism, but yet actual 259 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: terrorism on American soil. Uh. The idea of folks being 260 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: shot in the streets, um refugee boats that were leaving 261 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: Cuba to be sunk uh and also a launching a 262 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: wave of violent acts terrorist acts in Washington, d C. 263 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: And Miami and other places across the country. It would 264 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: involve framing people for bombings, hijacking planes, planting evidence, and 265 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: all of it would be blamed on Castro and Limnitzer 266 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: and his crew would have everything they needed to gain 267 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: public support and international support for backing them in this 268 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: war effort. Another quote from the memo, he could develop 269 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: a communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in 270 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: other Florida cities and even in Washington. They were planning this. 271 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: This is absolutely right. And remember earlier we said that 272 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: false flags, when they work, tend to be stuff like 273 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: Gulf of Tonkin, right, not like uh, not like a 274 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: huge loss of thousands of lives. This, however, still feels 275 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: like a cavalcade of catastrophes. The list that you read 276 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: off for us, what was that innocent people shot in 277 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: the street, boats being sunk on the high seas right, 278 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: violent terrorism in the capital of the US and in 279 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Miami and other places, framing people for bombings, hijacking planes, 280 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: tracing it all back to Castro, and some kind of 281 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: this goes to the very top sort of idea. This 282 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: feels like they were looking for whatever would have been 283 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: most effective, and it would be nice to think that 284 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: it would have immediately stopped once that call to war 285 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: actually happened, and they got the support of the West, 286 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: and they got the support of the domestic public. But 287 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: this is not what the Joint Chiefs or the U. S. 288 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: Military are supposed to be doing. Northwood's suggested that US 289 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: personnel would disguise themselves as Cuban agents and then they 290 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: could burn ammunition sink ships at Guantanamo. And they even said, look, 291 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: let's just blow up a U. S. Ship. We can 292 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: take the loss, will blame it on Cuba. Blame it 293 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: on Cuba. I mean, this thing was like, you know, 294 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: so who the whole idea to a false flag attack 295 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: or the idea of like crisis actors, that's a big term. 296 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: It gets thrown around like the conspiracy community is terrible. 297 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: Not I don't like it either, but it's used by 298 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: a horrible cancer as media personalities like Alex Jones to justify, 299 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, their position on things like the Sandy Hook 300 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: school shot where they say, oh, these weren't real shooters, 301 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: they were quote unquote crisis actors, and you know this 302 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: was all staged for the purposes of creating uproar against 303 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: gun violence or whatever. Absolutely absurd in this case, absolutely 304 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: provable and confirmed. Um, they even were playing inning to 305 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: do things like conduct fake funerals for these supposed victims. Right. 306 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know if we've talked about this then, 307 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: but a lot of this comes from a declassified document 308 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: from the Joint Chiefs of Staff uh subject Memorandum for 309 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: the Secretary of Defense Justification for US military intervention in Cuba, 310 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: and it goes through and describes a lot of the 311 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: things that we're talking about here. The author of this 312 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: report being General limnitz Or himself, goes on to talk 313 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: about the remember the main incident um, which I was 314 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: not familiar with up until this point, That was the 315 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: explosion and sinking of the U. S S Main that 316 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: began the Spanish American War that we mentioned earlier, where 317 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: the casualties were listed in US newspapers, and that caused 318 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: this kind of wave of national anger and contempt and 319 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: again fomented that support of the war effort, which is important, right, 320 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: Like we never think it's it's easy to forget or 321 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: to think that like the government can just wave a 322 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: one and make war happen, but they do kind of 323 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: pend on the support of the public of constituents, because 324 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: it's all kind of a political game in the end, right, right. So, 325 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: one of the first lessons learned by the U. S. 326 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: Government about the public and war, especially war in other countries, 327 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: came about in the Vietnam War. This was the first 328 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: time that many domestic residents were able to see the unvarnished, 329 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: un propagandized results of invading a foreign country. They were 330 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: able to see men, women and children dying, many of 331 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: whom were civilians. They were able to see war crimes 332 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: in real time. This is before the Vietnam War. This 333 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: again is a plan that exists in secret in a 334 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: smokey back room, and they still pitched other ideas too. 335 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: They said, well what if we what if we refit 336 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: an American jet to resemble a Cuban jet and then 337 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: we use it to harass civil air, which means private 338 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: industry air or even just some poor schmuck with some 339 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: poor schmuck with a little play my am, I don't 340 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: know that's that's hilarious to me. Uh, it's hilarious because 341 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: everyone's okay. They also want to do a fake attack 342 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: on US military jets. They wanted to have submarines involved, 343 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: They wanted a pilot to fly under assumed identity, and 344 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: they had steps to this plan which feel a little 345 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: bit like a spaghetti at the wall kind of attempt 346 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: at solving the problem. What if we did this, what 347 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: if we did that. It's a very dr Susian approach 348 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: to terrible, terrible actions. They say, we could. They also 349 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: acknowledge this very interesting. They also acknowledge more or less tacitly. 350 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: At least they acknowledge that, Remember, the main incident was 351 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: indeed a false flag, and this was during a time 352 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: when no one admitted that publicly, at least no one 353 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: associated with the government. Also, they said, why don't we 354 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: haven't get this an incident which will demonstrate that a 355 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a charter civil airline. 356 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: So what's the charter civil airline that's like Delta Southwest, 357 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: some commercial passenger plane. They were gonna do that. They 358 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: were actually going to shoot down a plane. Well, they 359 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: were gonna they were gonna fake it. They were not 360 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: actually going to kill the people, got it, So okay, 361 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: So that's when the crisis actor's thing comes. I know 362 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: you hate that term, but this does apply because this 363 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: is literally folks that are posing as victims, who would 364 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: write like like even the talking about shooting people in 365 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: the streets, were they really going to shoo people in 366 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: the streets or was it going to be people like 367 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: pretending to be shot in the streets and then they 368 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: were gonna have fake funerals. That's the tough part because 369 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: at this time too, we have to remember social media 370 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: doesn't exist, So you could if you have people playing 371 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: ball with you in the broadcast radio, television, and and 372 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: the media of the time, the printed papers, then you 373 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: could just you could just make up some names. You 374 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: could be like, well it turns out that Casey real 375 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: name Pegram from Many Town, Illinois, was tragically a victim. 376 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: He leaves behind uh two children, schnauzer, and a collection 377 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: of vintage records and also tiny spoons. There's also spoonist, Yeah, 378 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: and thimbles. So there. What our point is here is 379 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: that there's no way for the average newspaper reader or 380 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: the average TV radio listener to go through and do 381 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: due diligence. To me a couple of yeah, that's funny too, 382 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: my twelve year old self applaudse you. Well, well, I'm 383 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: emotionally nine, so I'm glad I'm impressing an older person. 384 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: So so this this thing, though, we're we're being a 385 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: big live but this is this is evil. This is 386 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: actually an evil thing to do. Why would they declassify 387 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: this ever? Right, we've had this convertation on the other show, 388 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: and so they don't want you to know about like 389 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: what leads to things being declassified? Is it literally just 390 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: a clock time thing where enough time has passed that 391 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: this doesn't matter anymore. We want to give the public 392 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of juicy stuff. Or I don't know, 393 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: is it just literally a storage thing, or we need 394 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: to move some documents out of the secret vaults into 395 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: this other vault that so we can, you know, make 396 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: more room for more classified stuff. Right, mistakes were made, huh, 397 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: So all details of this plan of Operation Northwood's were 398 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: hidden for almost fifty years, more like forty years, but 399 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: for decades and decades were hidden and that general that 400 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier limnits are He probably thought that this 401 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: very dark brainstorming exercise was over and done with that 402 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: all copies of the paperwork, all copies of this memo 403 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: were destroyed, and he had an established practice of regularly 404 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: destroying things if they would compromise him or his associates later. However, 405 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: I do want to mention you can find this at 406 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: the n s A Archives. It is online now, you 407 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: can google it. Know you earlier read the name of 408 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: the memo, We want you to find it. Read it 409 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: for yourself. I will say that it's written and vary 410 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: to the point simplistic language. They're not trying to cloak 411 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: this in some sort of legal ease. Oddly enough, we 412 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: know exactly how the operation. Northwood's documents came to light. 413 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: At first, it turned out that not everything was destroyed. 414 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of it was so much so that 415 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: we don't know who knew what and when. But these 416 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: came into the public eye in nineteen two. That's when 417 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: they hit the mainstream because of a film by one 418 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: Oliver Stone Casey can you guess which one it is? 419 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: Jf nailed it. Nailed it, Yeah, because of the Oliver 420 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Stone film JFK, which examined the idea of a conspiracy 421 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: behind the assassination of President JFK President Kennedy. This conspiratorial 422 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: film ultimately led to the discovery of Northwoods because Congress 423 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: passed the law due to overwhelming public outcry. Uh. They 424 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: passed the law to increase public access to government records, 425 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: at least as far as they're related to JFK. And 426 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: this is something that came out in the wash. Very interesting. 427 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of assassination attempts, talk about dodging bullets. Fidel Castro 428 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: was certainly a very popular target for assassination attempts. The 429 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: bell of the bell of the bloody ball. Yeah. According 430 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: to a gentleman who protected him during his regime, um, 431 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: he survived over six hundred assassination attempts, everything from snipers 432 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: to some of the crazy methods the CIA were plotting 433 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: against him. Poisoned, wet suit poisoned well. Okay, So in 434 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: nine the Senate Intelligence Committee said it had concrete evidence 435 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: of this plan to offer Fidel Castro through proxy, of course, 436 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: a wet suit lined with spores and bacteria that would 437 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: give him a skin disease. This apparently involved, uh, the 438 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: guy who would be there. Their point man for this 439 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: was a US lawyer named James B. Donovan, and he 440 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: was going to give Castro the wet suit when he 441 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: went to negotiate the release of listeners from the failed 442 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs invasion. Eventually they abandoned the plan because 443 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: the lawyer gave Castro a different diving suit and they said, 444 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: on his own initiative. But that's yeah, just like you 445 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: said there, there's so many weird ways that the US 446 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: government plan to antagonize or kill Fidelic cast If you 447 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: want to check out a list of those, you can 448 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: go to Mental Flaws straightaway for ten ways the CIA 449 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: tried to kill Castro by Stacy Conrad. We mentioned exploding 450 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: cigar earlier. That kind of uh makes me think of 451 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: the episode we did about the Nazis attempts to are 452 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: like plans plots to kill Um Winston church Shell and 453 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: that was with an exploding chocolate bar and also an 454 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: exploding cigar. Several cigar based murder attempts here, including a 455 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: poisoning his cigar. Um. We even have one that involved 456 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: exploding conk shell, ballpoint hypodermic syringe. You know. The closest one, 457 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: the closest they ever got, by most sources, was a 458 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: poisoned milk chack in nineteen sixty three. Castro may well 459 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: have died, but the waiter at the Havannah Hilton, was 460 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: trying to retrieve the pill that he was supposed to 461 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: stick in the milkshake, but it's stuck to the freezer. 462 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: And then when he was trying to grab it and 463 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: rip it loose, the capsule itself tore apart. So he 464 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: got well, I mean, you know, don't ruin a good 465 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: milk chack. So this is literally all just about eradicating communism, 466 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's more than that. It's easy 467 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: to say, yeah, there were targeting communism, but there are 468 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: a lot of economic incentives at play. There are a 469 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: lot of questions about regional hedgemons. You know, when you 470 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: want to you want to control other nations on your 471 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: border close too close for comfort, right, and you know 472 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: it's crazy too. My my daughter and her mom and stepdad, 473 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: they briefly there was this window that opened up for 474 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: tourists to be able to visit Cuba, and they did 475 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: that and had a lovely time. My daughter was super 476 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: amazing adventure for her. And then like very shortly after 477 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: they got back, the Trump administration closed that window and 478 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: it's all about kind of putting pressure on them for 479 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: trade and tariffs and there's like it's you know, that 480 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: embargo that's been going on for so long. It's part 481 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: of the reason that in Cuba they don't have any 482 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: modern cars. It's all like older cars that they've been 483 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: able to work on because they've been kind of in 484 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: this trade bubble for so long. Right, And my buddy 485 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: Scott and I have an excellent episode on where show 486 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: Car Stuff about the amazing ingenuity of Cuban nationals when 487 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: it comes to those vehicles. You can see cars from 488 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties that are maintained in this this 489 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: amazing fashion. By the way, hard stuff is coming back 490 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: and you can you can hear more about everything that floats, fly, 491 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: swims or drives very very soon. So check it out. 492 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: If you get a chance to tell my buddy Scott, uh, 493 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: you heard about it here, you can say Ben sent 494 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: me and Ben told me that you would give me 495 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: a free T shirt if I write to you. It's true. 496 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: It's true. It's not a false flag. So that is 497 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: the story. The good news is the Operation Northwoods never occurred, 498 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: as as far as we know, there was no false 499 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: flag that actually took US lives or Cuban lives and 500 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: use those deaths as a pretext to go to a 501 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: hot war with CUA. However, we might never have found 502 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: out about this lamp it weren't for the public outcry 503 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: and public interests following Oliver Stone's film JF Cape. And 504 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: this is this is important for us to remember because 505 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: it's often said that history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. 506 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, maybe that's a cliche. But here's a pro 507 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: tip about cliches. They're usually called cliches because they're true. 508 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: So now we have to not as members of individual 509 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: countries or nations or communities, but as his species. We 510 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: must exercise critical thinking when we hear about these sorts 511 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: of attacks, these sorts of things that could be Malcolm 512 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: Gladwell esque tipping points. One of the most recent that's 513 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: occurred as we record this is the the rising tension 514 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: in the Strait of hor Moves, which is largely controlled 515 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: by the Republic of Iran and recently again this Uh, 516 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: there have been alleged attacks on tankers. The US says 517 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: that Iran did it, Uran says they didn't do it. 518 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: And Ron has also made other claims about its own 519 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: tankers being taken. And there are some people policy wonks, journalists, etcetera. 520 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: Who are keeping an eye on this situation and already 521 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: claiming that a false flag is a foot. This has 522 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: not been proven yet. And the weird thing about false 523 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: flags is if Operation Northwoods is in the Indicator, we 524 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: learned about them about forty years after they happen. But 525 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: it makes for some fun podcast fodder. It's okay because 526 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: no one actually died exactly. So uh. We hope that 527 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: you will write to us and tell us whether you 528 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: have visited Cuba. A couple of our close friends have. 529 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: Our research pal, Ryan Barrish has visited Cuba recently. He's 530 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: there for quite a while. I think he has dual citizenship, 531 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: so he's able to go right because he has German 532 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: citizens yep, yep uh and I do too. I do 533 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: want to before we in today's episode, I want to 534 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 1: get your opinion, Casey on the Oliver Stone film JFK 535 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: did you watch it, Did you like it? What you take? One? Ten? 536 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's great. Um. You know, 537 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have pointed out there's 538 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, conjecture and stuff that's probably 539 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: been disproven since that film came out, which just as 540 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: a piece of filmmaking itself and as something that kind 541 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: of goes to the wider skepticism, suspicion, whatever you wanna 542 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: call it, lingering doubts in the American psyche about that 543 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: whole event. I think it's great. Casey on the case, 544 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: what do you think, Noel? Do you remember that one? 545 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: I have not seen. JFK. That's Kevin Costner. I believe 546 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Costner. I had did see Nixon. Um, I remember 547 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: liking it just fine. Um Now, I really liked Platoon. 548 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: Platoon was always a favorite war movie of mine. But 549 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: now in my older years, I realized that Full Metal 550 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: Jacket is the superior film. You know, Apocalypse now, man, No, 551 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: I think the Full Metal Jacket, I is, is my favorite. 552 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: Apocoly Apocalypse Now would be second, Platoon would be third, 553 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: you know. I I In terms of non movies, I 554 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: think because I did a stage play of Apocalypse now. 555 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: Wait what Rushmore kind of yeah, true story, that's amazing. Yeah, 556 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was definitely a thing that happened. 557 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: I think that's maybe that's why I I love Apocalypse Now. 558 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: I even love the documentary about the making of Apocalypse Now. 559 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: That's um Hearts of Darkness great. I'm such a fanboy 560 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: for that. Full Metal Jacket is great, don't get me wrong, 561 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: just for for my money. I love the uh, the 562 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: brutal chaos in the madness of it too. You know, 563 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: it's it's a very Shakespearean almost tragedy. You know, you're 564 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: right bad maybe if I held them side by So 565 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: I just have a real fondness in my heart for 566 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: up for Full Metal Jacket. I have Scene Apoclypse now 567 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: and sometime I think if I watched it today, I 568 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: might flip. Will you get a chance to see a 569 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: new version of it soon? Because he's doing yet another 570 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: director's cut. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 571 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of tired of seeing different 572 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: versions of that movie, But I guess there's there's one more. 573 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: It might be a diminishing return at some point. Well, yeah, 574 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: A lot of people have pointed out that the extended cut, 575 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: the Reducs cut, it's kind of boring. There's about forty 576 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: minutes in there where they're just at that weird plantation 577 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: yeah the French Yeah, which is kind of kind of 578 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: just drags for a long time. There's a weird sex 579 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: scene in there that just it just occurs as it 580 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: feels as if that that scene and I know this 581 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: is not your other shoe movie, crush, but that scene, 582 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: that entire segment of the Redus film, it seems like 583 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: backstage they just in production had access to this place 584 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: and they said, all right, let's just let's do some stuff, 585 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, let's do it dead or scene they should 586 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: talk about how they feel in very vague terms, and 587 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: then let's do uh, you know, let's do a sex 588 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: scene because we still have the room, we still have 589 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: the location. And they were like, all right, well, we 590 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: gotta get back to this story. Speaking of getting back 591 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: to the story, our story is over. That's true, and 592 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: so is our episode. But if you want to do 593 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: any of the things we were talking about, right us, 594 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: let us know, um, your favorite false flag attack, something 595 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 1: you think maybe was a false flag attack. Um, anything, 596 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: your favorite part of apocalypse Now. How did you feel 597 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: about the Redux too long? Did it lag a little bit? 598 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that weird sex scene? Let 599 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: us know right to us at Ridiculous at I heart 600 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: radio dot com or hit us up on our Facebook group, 601 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: which is the Ridiculous Historians. You can also find us 602 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: individually on Instagram. See me get kicked into and out 603 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: of various places and countries. Uh spoiler alert. I've got 604 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: a couple of big trips coming up in summer, so 605 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: stay tuned to that. I am at ben Bowling. You 606 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: can find me at how Now. Noel Brown's mainly just 607 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: me getting kicked in the shins by small children. Yeah, 608 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: I don't know why they hate your shins so much. 609 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: It's a thing now And as always, thank you to 610 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: our super producer Casey Pegrum. Thank you to our research 611 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: associates Gabe Lozier and Ryan Barrish. Big thanks to Alex 612 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: Williams who composed our theme. Thanks to Jonathan the Quister 613 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 1: Strickland for you know, occupying that space of pure evil 614 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: that allows the universe to exist in some weird form 615 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: of harmony. That's so nice that you that you're giving 616 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: a shut out because you guys get kind of antagonistic. 617 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: And of course thanks to Eve's Jeff Cote, who will 618 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: be appearing on the show sometime soon we hope, as 619 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: well as Christopher hassy Otis, thank you for listening and Noel, 620 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: thank you for taking this strange journey with me. May 621 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: we never be the victims of a false flag attack. 622 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: They should just be real flats. Agreed, See you next time, 623 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: books m H. 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