WEBVTT - Been There, Dean That: The Bad Trip 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:04.359 Hello everybody, and welcome to episode seven. I've been there, Dean. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:09.320 That it's so funny that you keep saying which episode 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.200 it is because Easton keeps telling you not to say 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:11.840 what episode it is. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.960 You know me, I like to go against the green. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.720 He says that only because he doesn't like once we 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.639 get into the fifties and the seventies and the one 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.520 hundred and fifties and one hundred and seventies, it gets 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:23.280 a little confusing. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:24.880 But you also don't need to number them. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.680 But I like to. Okay, I'm a numbers guy. I've 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:29.400 always been more of a numbers guy than a words guy. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:30.720 So that's true. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.120 This is episode seven. I've been there, Dean. That welcome. 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.200 Last week, I've been there doing that. We talked about 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.600 the surprise trips that Kaylin and I plan for each other. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.040 If you haven't listened to that, go back and listen 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.600 to Guatemala, one of Kaitlin's best trips of all time. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:53.240 No, seriously, it is one of the most underrated countries. Yeah, 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.760 everyone needs to go to Guatemala. It is incredible. Everyone 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.720 needs to hike Vulcan Fuego, go to Lagatalon. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:00.880 Does everyone needs to go to Saint Lucia. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.520 I'm so sorry, but no, Oh. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.800 Saint Lucia was a trip that Klein planned for me. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.360 I would like to hand it over to you now 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.320 and tell me about how you planned where you don't 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.440 want to take me, just why you chose that place. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:20.880 Okay, So this was what twenty nineteen. I had barely traveled. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.240 I had gone to Asia, gone to Ireland, and then 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.240 we went to Guatemala. Yeah, we went to Guatemala first. Yes, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:31.800 I still don't think that's right, but you know better 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.959 than me. So I hadn't traveled much, and I was 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.399 just trying to figure out where I wanted to go, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.520 what I wanted to do, and when we travel. Even 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.200 still to this day, I kind of let Dean take 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.200 the reins. We're going to Italy in two weeks, and 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.360 I'm asking him because I just feel like Dean knows 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.000 the best spots and Dean knows what's going to make 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.040 a good trip. So it's a lot of pressure to 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.800 plan for myself. But I also knew Dean was planning 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.800 a trip that was sort of centered around the things 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.080 that he liked, So I wanted to do something that 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.760 I thought I liked, which was just lay out by 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.160 the beach, But having done that many times, it's actually 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:11.960 not that great or fulfilling. Since traveling with Dean, I 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.640 like to do trips where I come back and I'm like, wow, 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.720 that was such an incredible experience. So doing this for 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.760 the first time I originally picked and this was geared 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.279 again more towards Dean and like travel centric and exploring 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.120 a little bit more. I was going to take us 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.639 to the Glopagos and go on a little cruise and 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.840 sail around and see a bunch of different animals and 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.919 take photos. I'm happy we didn't do it until this 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:41.400 past year because our photography skills improved, and I just 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:42.840 think it was a better time to go for us. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.560 So I chose Saint Lucia. Honestly, I don't know. I 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.240 don't know how. I have no idea how I stumbled 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.760 upon it. I think I googled like beautiful beaches or something, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.919 and Saint Lucia came up. So I started to plan 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.880 and found a great hotel. The hotel was wonderful where 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.240 we stayed, stayed at two different hotels. The problem is 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.000 we drove, and most people don't get cars in Saint 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.079 Lucia is what we've been told by people who live there, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.160 and I was navigating. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.080 Well before we get into this, I want to talk 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:11.480 about the cars thing for a second. 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:11.880 Okay. 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.320 I am a big advocate for renting a car and 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.959 wherever you go, no matter where it is, and I 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.520 personally don't take exception to that rule. I do think 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.880 most people should take exception to it for certain situations 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.160 like India or Egypt or you know, these countries where 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.400 traffic laws aren't quite the same as where they are 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.760 in the Western world. I think having a car is 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.000 the number one best thing you can do for yourself 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:39.560 if you're looking to explore in a new place. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.520 Do you think that people should rent a car in 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.800 Saint Lucia one hundred percent? Oh wow, I disagree, But okay, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.360 so we rent a car. I agree with Dean. I 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.800 think every place aside from Saint Lucia you should rent 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:50.160 a car. 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.400 And like, don't rent a car and Maldives. 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.320 Oh true, you can't, exactly, you just can ride a bikes. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.640 Oh my gosh, Maldives. What a place. So we rent 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.160 a car. Dean's driving, I'm navigating. I've got Google Maps 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.720 pulled up and I can't remember which one's better, Apple Maps, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.400 Google Maps, Like there's one better that's better in other countries. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:11.920 Apple, I think Google is the best. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.000 Then maybe I was using Apple because it was not great. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.080 But I'm to blame obviously. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.440 No, don't take all the blame. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:18.960 No I will. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.240 I will because no, don't I know, I don't take 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:23.000 all the blames. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.240 So we miss the first turn because I'm talking and talking, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:27.920 and then I was like, oops, whoops, we miss the 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.159 first turn. And this happens a lot, especially when I'm driving. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:32.680 Sometimes I teae myself up. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.760 Then we miss the second turn, and then we miss 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:37.279 the third turn. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:38.919 Well, And it might be important to note like the 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.080 geography of Saint Lucia itself, so it's a mountainous island 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.760 that's like big but not super big. The airport is 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.880 in the southeast corner. Our hotel was in like the 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:54.360 north West's center kind of thing. And because the island 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.880 is so mountainous, it's kind of hard to cut through 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:57.600 the middle of it. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.280 But there is no middle. I think it's just all 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.400 beaches surrounding and the middle of the jungle. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.120 That's what I'm saying. It's hard to cut through the 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.240 middle of it, because you typically would do like a 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.000 coastal drive, but there is like one road that slices 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.480 through the mountain valley and kind of gets you out 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.599 to the other side. It was the fastest way to 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.239 do it. And so that's the route that we took. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.159 Well accidentally because I missed three turns. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.560 So that yeah, yeah, I know. But the route that 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.320 we were supposed to take was still up there. It 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:22.800 was just. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.320 Gotcha, yeah yeah. But the route that we took because 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.400 of me, it was not a route, was not a road, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.640 was nothing at all. We just drove straight to the 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.200 jungle and it was the scariest experience to this day, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:35.240 my entire life. 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.239 But you didn't even realize at the time how scary 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:37.400 it was. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.160 Well I did. I Did you notice that I hadn't 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.280 spoken in like an hour? That shift inside of me 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.880 from dogging on stop and missing three turns to then 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.159 suddenly going mute. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.640 So all, can I jump in and explain from my perspective. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.960 So we get to the airport, we get our car. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.960 It's like this little two door sedan. I guess this 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.839 is the dan by definition four door, So it's this 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.159 two door coupe kind of like a Honda Civic would be, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.160 but they're version of it, you know, do you agree 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.320 with that? And when we were getting it, we were 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:09.600 going that to the car and we were like, oh, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.560 look at this cool little like Geo Lander, geotracker type 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.599 of car. It's a kind of like a mini Geep, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.240 like a Suzuki Samurai kind of thing. And I was like, oh, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:18.680 can we get this instead? And they're like yeah, but 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.680 it's an extra forty bucks a day and we're like, eh, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.360 not worth it. Too much money. So we take the 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.400 coop with you know, like low clearance bald ish tires 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.440 driving around the roads up there are like windy, but 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.240 they're paved and they're pretty good through these cute little towns. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.800 And then we missed the turn and then we're like, okay, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.719 no worries, we'll get the next turn. So ten minutes later, 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.240 miss that turn, Like okay, let's just go get the 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.800 next turn. And you know, in hindsight, obviously we should 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.440 just be like, let's flip a quick U turn real quick, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.760 But the maps kept updating us and the time was 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.640 always pretty much the same, and so we didn't really 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.640 think much of it because in here where we're used 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.320 to driving. You miss a turn, the map reroutes you. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.720 You'll get there just a different way, you know, in 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.320 the same amount of time essentially, So we kind of 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.799 thought that's what was gonna happen this time around. Sure enough, 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.400 what the maps ended up doing was it took us 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.240 up this big hill and then the asphalt ended and 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.760 it just became dirt. And around this time is right 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.440 when it started raining pretty heavily as well. We drive 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.920 by a couple guys with machetes. Do you remember those guys. 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.440 Yeah, that's when I got freaked. And they weren't scary, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.560 they weren't trying to hurt us, but just seeing weapons 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:28.560 kind of freaked me out. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.760 I mean, the people I see where you're coming from. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.680 Absolutely people use machetes all the time to cut through 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.760 bushes and trees and whatever, you know. So I do 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:39.760 think you mentioned the machetes, and I was like, that's 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.520 so normal to see in places like this as people 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.360 holding machetes like they're working, you know, they're clearing land 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.120 or whatever it is. So I'm like, okay, whatever, she's fine. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.280 So then we start driving again it's raining, and then 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.920 we start descending this hill on the dirt in our 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.680 little coop down this dirt road, and the road narrows 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.600 so it's only one lane, maybe like at three quarters 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:01.960 of a lane. You know. It's like basically like an 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.520 off roading trail at this point. But I'm like, okay, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.000 it's fine, We'll just keep going. The road is like 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.080 pretty well graded and we're not really too worried about it. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.240 And it's rainforests, so I had not really had any 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.600 experience driving through rainforest. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.680 But then the road just stopped, like there was no road. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.760 We were driving. There was a point we were driving 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.280 over tree like fallen trees. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.160 Well, the road was there. There was just a bunch 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.480 of debris in the middle of the road. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.480 I remember it so differently. I remember we were like 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.120 driving through bushes and trees. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.200 Yeah. Yeah, just because it wasn't like a well maintained road. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.679 Probably the guys with the machetes we're working on it, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.000 they just hadn't gotten that far yet. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.160 I don't know, this did not seem like a road 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:39.400 to me. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.120 So well, okay, as the driver, I'm certain that it 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.320 was a road all the way through, just with a 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.040 bunch of crap on it. And that's kind of where 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.280 maybe as you're remembering it as like, yeah, there was 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:49.719 a lot of vegetation on the road, but it was 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.560 because there were felled trees and overgrown bushes and stuff 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.160 like that. And so we're driving and I'm like, oh, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.600 this road's starting to get really gnarly and we're going downhill, 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.319 and so I was like, if I have to turn around, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.640 I don't think this car would be able to make 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.960 it up these muddy, steep hills if I even could 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.960 turn around, which there was no ability to turn around 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.560 because it was densely forest jungle, you know, single lane, 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.880 no turnoffs or anything like that. Like it was. It 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.480 was as bad as like you're you're committed. Once we 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.000 got over into the dirt road. We were committed to 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.440 that road. At the time, we maybe didn't know that, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.080 but in hindsight we one hundred percent were no turning around. 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.480 So we're driving down rain gets a little heavier. It's 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.360 getting late, right, it was like six or seven pm. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:36.319 Yeah, the sunsetting. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.160 The sun hadn't set, but it was definitely like about 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.560 to and we didn't get to our hotel until dark. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:46.160 Spoiler alert. We got to our hotel. We're alive spoiler 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.120 and so we're driving and we get to this point 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.920 where I stopped the car, put it in park and 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.160 have to like go and scout the road ahead where. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.120 You know, it's like raining now. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.679 It was mostly the this stuff on the road, like 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.080 I needed to know exactly where to put the tires, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.760 exactly where to gun it, where to break, Like you 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.600 can't break here because then you won't get over this 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:10.800 thing kind of thing. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.520 It was like a big pit in the road too. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.600 And like the last thing we would like if we 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.320 stalled out somewhere, like if we high centered on a 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.440 tree or something like that, we would be screwed. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.880 Because I think we were like five to eight miles. 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.000 Away from the hotel at that point. I think we 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.080 were even a little further maybe fifteen Yeah, I remember 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.480 it said like twenty kilometer. Maybe it was like fifteen kilometers, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.360 so yeah, about ten miles. And so I knew like 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.640 that was very consequential to have an incident where we 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.360 wouldn't be able to use the car anymore. So I 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.000 got out of the car, I was like scouting ahead. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.520 I didn't even say a word to Kaylin and got 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.080 back in the car and I just put my seatbelt on, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.360 put it in drive, and I like did everything that 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.920 I needed to do, like floored it through this, breaked 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.640 hard for this, avoided this kind of thing, and that 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.280 went well, and then we got up to another point 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:00.880 where I had do that again. And I don't know 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.880 if you guys have ever had this experience, but I've 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.720 had it several times in my life. Not very often. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:11.280 There's a physical reaction to something bad that could potentially happen. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:16.960 Like for me, my stomach goes gets really like, I 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.760 don't know, hollow feeling. It almost feels like I'm I'm 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.520 like I've got like a piece of metal in my mouth, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.840 like I'm sucking on metal. Like the taste, it just 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.199 tastes like metal. And it's a very distinct feeling. It's 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.320 a feeling I only get when I'm doing something that 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.440 I think I'm about to regret, like I'm gonna hurt 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.840 myself really bad, or this is going to end really 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.480 poorly in whatever degree. And I got that feeling, and 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.080 it's the only time I've gotten it since we've been together. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.080 It's the first time I've had it, and you know, 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:49.920 probably a dozen dozen years or so. And the sun 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.319 it was kept going down, kept going down. There got 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:53.719 to this other point where there was like a big 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.960 rock wall door right, a big cliff to our left, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.240 still like densely forested, and the car is just where. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.880 I'm fling it through this terrain because I have no 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.120 other choice, and the cars just bouncing around. We're like 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.200 bouncing off this tree, bouncing off this rock. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.839 And we hadn't spoken in like an hour at this point. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.440 It might have been more. It might have been like 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:12.040 two hours. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.920 My feeling, I was like shaking and quiet. And then 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.439 I I don't know if we had service, Like I 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.160 couldn't exit out of the map. We didn't have service, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.600 no service, So why? I kept thinking very morbid. But 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.520 I'm like, no one's going to find our bodies? Yeah, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.360 like how are our families going to know where we are? 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.880 Because I thought we were going to die. I had 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.280 a feeling that like we weren't going to come out 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.480 of it. Why. I don't know, but that's how I felt. 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.160 Death is pretty extreme. But I got the same feeling too, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:38.520 Like I was just saying, I had that feeling that 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.920 I never get and I don't often feel like I'm 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.120 going to die. That's as bad of a feeling as 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:44.880 I can get, Like I didn't even get that feeling 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.040 when I crashed skiing in Switzerland, you know what I mean. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.880 It got to this point where we were like seven 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:03.120 miles away from the hotel, making such slow progress, going 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.400 five miles an hour through most of it because I'm 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.480 like navigating through this stuff and just going really slow 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.559 and meticulous, I guess you could say. And it got 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.400 to the point where I was like, Okay, seven miles, 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.839 we could walk that in two hours. But now it's dark, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.760 so we would Like I've already kind of planted out 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:21.960 all out my head, Like I was like, Oh, we'll 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.520 sleep in the car tonight, wake up in the morning, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:24.600 and then walk to the hotel. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.640 And I'm thinking, I, if we stall out, I'm leaving 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.199 my luggage. I'm going to sprint through this jungle as 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:31.400 fast as I possibly can. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.280 Yeah, because you know what else are you going to do? 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.680 I thought sleeping in the car would have been the 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:36.160 best option. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.760 But eventually we made it. And after we made it 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.000 and got service or we went on a hike later 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.360 on and someone told us that the most I haven't 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:48.640 actually fact just checked this, but the most venomous snakes 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.360 in both Americas. Lives in Saint Lucia. So had we 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:52.839 gotten out of the car, how do we get a 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.480 bit by a snake? Then death was probable. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.319 Death was thankfully we didn't have to get out of 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.240 the car, minus the times that I I had to 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.840 go and see the road ahead of us, I guess, 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.640 but but I mean it was scary, and I think 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.200 the biggest fear that I had was because, like I 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.839 said earlier, like I knew that, like, let's since there 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.440 were so many felled trees and like overgrown bushes and stuff, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.720 the likelihood of it being so bad at a future 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.720 point on that same road was pretty high, you know, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.920 like you always kind of expect the middle of every 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.200 trail to be the worst because it's probably the least trafficked. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.440 And so in my head, I was like, if it's 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.040 this bad this early on, it's only gonna get worse. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.080 And so that's kind of why I started feeling that way, 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:32.720 knowing that I couldn't turn around and get us out 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.480 of there. And so yeah, so eventually we like I 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.560 can't remember exactly how it happened. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.280 But we bounce in and bobbing and swerving. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.120 We got out and the road like straightens out and 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.240 like flattens out, and it's graded a lot better. And 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.040 I'm like, I think we're out of the woods now, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:50.720 but like you didn't want to jinx it because you 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:51.040 never know. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:52.680 And I put my finger up and I said, don't 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.480 talk until we get to the hotel. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.240 Yeah, And then so then we eventually like passed a 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.960 couple little buildings and I was like, I'm pretty sure 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.280 we're in the clear now. So we landed at like 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.360 two pm and we didn't get to the hotel until 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.520 eight pm. It was crazy, even though it was only 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:07.800 supposed to be an hour and a half drive it 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.320 and I've taken as six hours. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:11.480 And when I think about Saint Lucia, this is what 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.840 I think about. So anyone's like I want to go 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.320 to Saint Lucia, I always say don't. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.680 Go because, look, in hindsight, you survived. Do you not 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.800 think it's like a cool, fun memory to have. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.480 Yeah, now, but it's definitely tainted my experience. But Saint 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.920 Lucia itself, so we get to our first hotel, I 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.160 think there are people who just want to lay by 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.680 the beach and not do much else. I think Saint 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.680 Lucia's the perfect spot for that. Like it's a very 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.600 honeymoon esque destination, a lot a lot of honeymooners. And 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.880 it's funny because Diana and I were there for a 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.400 few days. We had drinking like fifty pina coladas over 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.200 the week at that point, and everyone's on their honeymoon, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.960 so everyone has these like amazing bodies, and I was like, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.160 just get me out of here. I felt so bloated 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.280 and gross. But it's just a very like relaxed hang 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.600 by the pool drink. We did kayak one day, and 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:00.680 we did go on one hike. But and the Patones 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:01.040 are great. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:02.360 I was gonna say, I ask if you remember what 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.160 they were called Patons. Yeah, good job. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.280 Yeah, the Potones are really cool to see. I just 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.440 don't maybe I planned it poorly, but I don't think 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.000 there's like a ton of exploring to do, yeah, adventure 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.119 esque activities. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.000 Ironically enough, one of my friends is there right now 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.360 and he did like a he like sailed a boat 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.200 around the island, okay, And I think he's having a 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.200 better time than we did because he's kind of leaning 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.400 into more of the adventure side. Yeah, And I think 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.160 that's why you booked it because it was like there 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.760 is adventure to be had, but we were just maybe 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.160 so burnt out from just getting to the hotel that 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.080 we just wanted to like sit around and not really. 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.760 Do much and just live and survive. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.480 Yeah, And I'm not really that kind of I'm not 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:40.640 the kind of guy that just wants to sit on 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.200 a beach and drink. I'll do it. I'll do it 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.360 like a day or two, but I don't want to 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:44.280 do it the entire trip, you know. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.520 But we did kayak in the ocean. Kayaking in the 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.640 ocean is so hard, but it was cool. 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.640 Yeah, how hard did you try? And the kayak? 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.280 Again? This is back before I worked out, so I 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:54.640 was My arms were little noodles. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.680 Put us in a kayak tomorrow. I guarantee I'm doing 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.000 ninety nine percent of the paddling. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:16:59.520 Do you see how strong I am? 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.680 Here's a very strong but you're strong to your weight ratio. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.480 I weigh twice as much as you. Well, also, paddle. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.280 One paddle for me is ten paddles for you. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.280 And it's like, you know, the TikTok. When my husband's home, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.640 I can't lift this. And when my husband's not home, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.040 I'm like lifting a bed on my bare back, you know. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.520 So it's also being in a kayak with you and 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:21.720