Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to episode seven. I've been there, Dean.
Speaker 2: That it's so funny that you keep saying which episode
Speaker 2: it is because Easton keeps telling you not to say
Speaker 2: what episode it is.
Speaker 1: You know me, I like to go against the green.
Speaker 1: He says that only because he doesn't like once we
Speaker 1: get into the fifties and the seventies and the one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifties and one hundred and seventies, it gets
Speaker 1: a little confusing.
Speaker 2: But you also don't need to number them.
Speaker 1: But I like to. Okay, I'm a numbers guy. I've
Speaker 1: always been more of a numbers guy than a words guy.
Speaker 2: So that's true.
Speaker 1: This is episode seven. I've been there, Dean. That welcome.
Speaker 1: Last week, I've been there doing that. We talked about
Speaker 1: the surprise trips that Kaylin and I plan for each other.
Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to that, go back and listen
Speaker 1: to Guatemala, one of Kaitlin's best trips of all time.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, it is one of the most underrated countries. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone needs to go to Guatemala. It is incredible. Everyone
Speaker 2: needs to hike Vulcan Fuego, go to Lagatalon.
Speaker 1: Does everyone needs to go to Saint Lucia.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, but no, Oh.
Speaker 1: Saint Lucia was a trip that Klein planned for me.
Speaker 1: I would like to hand it over to you now
Speaker 1: and tell me about how you planned where you don't
Speaker 1: want to take me, just why you chose that place.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this was what twenty nineteen. I had barely traveled.
Speaker 2: I had gone to Asia, gone to Ireland, and then
Speaker 2: we went to Guatemala. Yeah, we went to Guatemala first. Yes,
Speaker 2: I still don't think that's right, but you know better
Speaker 2: than me. So I hadn't traveled much, and I was
Speaker 2: just trying to figure out where I wanted to go,
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do, and when we travel. Even
Speaker 2: still to this day, I kind of let Dean take
Speaker 2: the reins. We're going to Italy in two weeks, and
Speaker 2: I'm asking him because I just feel like Dean knows
Speaker 2: the best spots and Dean knows what's going to make
Speaker 2: a good trip. So it's a lot of pressure to
Speaker 2: plan for myself. But I also knew Dean was planning
Speaker 2: a trip that was sort of centered around the things
Speaker 2: that he liked, So I wanted to do something that
Speaker 2: I thought I liked, which was just lay out by
Speaker 2: the beach, But having done that many times, it's actually
Speaker 2: not that great or fulfilling. Since traveling with Dean, I
Speaker 2: like to do trips where I come back and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: that was such an incredible experience. So doing this for
Speaker 2: the first time I originally picked and this was geared
Speaker 2: again more towards Dean and like travel centric and exploring
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I was going to take us
Speaker 2: to the Glopagos and go on a little cruise and
Speaker 2: sail around and see a bunch of different animals and
Speaker 2: take photos. I'm happy we didn't do it until this
Speaker 2: past year because our photography skills improved, and I just
Speaker 2: think it was a better time to go for us.
Speaker 2: So I chose Saint Lucia. Honestly, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know how. I have no idea how I stumbled
Speaker 2: upon it. I think I googled like beautiful beaches or something,
Speaker 2: and Saint Lucia came up. So I started to plan
Speaker 2: and found a great hotel. The hotel was wonderful where
Speaker 2: we stayed, stayed at two different hotels. The problem is
Speaker 2: we drove, and most people don't get cars in Saint
Speaker 2: Lucia is what we've been told by people who live there,
Speaker 2: and I was navigating.
Speaker 1: Well before we get into this, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the cars thing for a second.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I am a big advocate for renting a car and
Speaker 1: wherever you go, no matter where it is, and I
Speaker 1: personally don't take exception to that rule. I do think
Speaker 1: most people should take exception to it for certain situations
Speaker 1: like India or Egypt or you know, these countries where
Speaker 1: traffic laws aren't quite the same as where they are
Speaker 1: in the Western world. I think having a car is
Speaker 1: the number one best thing you can do for yourself
Speaker 1: if you're looking to explore in a new place.
Speaker 2: Do you think that people should rent a car in
Speaker 2: Saint Lucia one hundred percent? Oh wow, I disagree, But okay,
Speaker 2: so we rent a car. I agree with Dean. I
Speaker 2: think every place aside from Saint Lucia you should rent
Speaker 2: a car.
Speaker 1: And like, don't rent a car and Maldives.
Speaker 2: Oh true, you can't, exactly, you just can ride a bikes.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Maldives. What a place. So we rent
Speaker 2: a car. Dean's driving, I'm navigating. I've got Google Maps
Speaker 2: pulled up and I can't remember which one's better, Apple Maps,
Speaker 2: Google Maps, Like there's one better that's better in other countries.
Speaker 1: Apple, I think Google is the best.
Speaker 2: Then maybe I was using Apple because it was not great.
Speaker 2: But I'm to blame obviously.
Speaker 1: No, don't take all the blame.
Speaker 2: No I will.
Speaker 1: I will because no, don't I know, I don't take
Speaker 1: all the blames.
Speaker 2: So we miss the first turn because I'm talking and talking,
Speaker 2: and then I was like, oops, whoops, we miss the
Speaker 2: first turn. And this happens a lot, especially when I'm driving.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I teae myself up.
Speaker 2: Then we miss the second turn, and then we miss
Speaker 2: the third turn.
Speaker 1: Well, And it might be important to note like the
Speaker 1: geography of Saint Lucia itself, so it's a mountainous island
Speaker 1: that's like big but not super big. The airport is
Speaker 1: in the southeast corner. Our hotel was in like the
Speaker 1: north West's center kind of thing. And because the island
Speaker 1: is so mountainous, it's kind of hard to cut through
Speaker 1: the middle of it.
Speaker 2: But there is no middle. I think it's just all
Speaker 2: beaches surrounding and the middle of the jungle.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's hard to cut through the
Speaker 1: middle of it, because you typically would do like a
Speaker 1: coastal drive, but there is like one road that slices
Speaker 1: through the mountain valley and kind of gets you out
Speaker 1: to the other side. It was the fastest way to
Speaker 1: do it. And so that's the route that we took.
Speaker 2: Well accidentally because I missed three turns.
Speaker 1: So that yeah, yeah, I know. But the route that
Speaker 1: we were supposed to take was still up there. It
Speaker 1: was just.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, yeah yeah. But the route that we took because
Speaker 2: of me, it was not a route, was not a road,
Speaker 2: was nothing at all. We just drove straight to the
Speaker 2: jungle and it was the scariest experience to this day,
Speaker 2: my entire life.
Speaker 1: But you didn't even realize at the time how scary
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Well I did. I Did you notice that I hadn't
Speaker 2: spoken in like an hour? That shift inside of me
Speaker 2: from dogging on stop and missing three turns to then
Speaker 2: suddenly going mute.
Speaker 1: So all, can I jump in and explain from my perspective.
Speaker 1: So we get to the airport, we get our car.
Speaker 1: It's like this little two door sedan. I guess this
Speaker 1: is the dan by definition four door, So it's this
Speaker 1: two door coupe kind of like a Honda Civic would be,
Speaker 1: but they're version of it, you know, do you agree
Speaker 1: with that? And when we were getting it, we were
Speaker 1: going that to the car and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at this cool little like Geo Lander, geotracker type
Speaker 1: of car. It's a kind of like a mini Geep,
Speaker 1: like a Suzuki Samurai kind of thing. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: can we get this instead? And they're like yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's an extra forty bucks a day and we're like, eh,
Speaker 1: not worth it. Too much money. So we take the
Speaker 1: coop with you know, like low clearance bald ish tires
Speaker 1: driving around the roads up there are like windy, but
Speaker 1: they're paved and they're pretty good through these cute little towns.
Speaker 1: And then we missed the turn and then we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: no worries, we'll get the next turn. So ten minutes later,
Speaker 1: miss that turn, Like okay, let's just go get the
Speaker 1: next turn. And you know, in hindsight, obviously we should
Speaker 1: just be like, let's flip a quick U turn real quick,
Speaker 1: But the maps kept updating us and the time was
Speaker 1: always pretty much the same, and so we didn't really
Speaker 1: think much of it because in here where we're used
Speaker 1: to driving. You miss a turn, the map reroutes you.
Speaker 1: You'll get there just a different way, you know, in
Speaker 1: the same amount of time essentially, So we kind of
Speaker 1: thought that's what was gonna happen this time around. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: what the maps ended up doing was it took us
Speaker 1: up this big hill and then the asphalt ended and
Speaker 1: it just became dirt. And around this time is right
Speaker 1: when it started raining pretty heavily as well. We drive
Speaker 1: by a couple guys with machetes. Do you remember those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I got freaked. And they weren't scary,
Speaker 2: they weren't trying to hurt us, but just seeing weapons
Speaker 2: kind of freaked me out.
Speaker 1: I mean, the people I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: Absolutely people use machetes all the time to cut through
Speaker 1: bushes and trees and whatever, you know. So I do
Speaker 1: think you mentioned the machetes, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: so normal to see in places like this as people
Speaker 1: holding machetes like they're working, you know, they're clearing land
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So I'm like, okay, whatever, she's fine.
Speaker 1: So then we start driving again it's raining, and then
Speaker 1: we start descending this hill on the dirt in our
Speaker 1: little coop down this dirt road, and the road narrows
Speaker 1: so it's only one lane, maybe like at three quarters
Speaker 1: of a lane. You know. It's like basically like an
Speaker 1: off roading trail at this point. But I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's fine, We'll just keep going. The road is like
Speaker 1: pretty well graded and we're not really too worried about it.
Speaker 1: And it's rainforests, so I had not really had any
Speaker 1: experience driving through rainforest.
Speaker 2: But then the road just stopped, like there was no road.
Speaker 2: We were driving. There was a point we were driving
Speaker 2: over tree like fallen trees.
Speaker 1: Well, the road was there. There was just a bunch
Speaker 1: of debris in the middle of the road.
Speaker 2: I remember it so differently. I remember we were like
Speaker 2: driving through bushes and trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, just because it wasn't like a well maintained road.
Speaker 1: Probably the guys with the machetes we're working on it,
Speaker 1: they just hadn't gotten that far yet.
Speaker 2: I don't know, this did not seem like a road
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: So well, okay, as the driver, I'm certain that it
Speaker 1: was a road all the way through, just with a
Speaker 1: bunch of crap on it. And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: maybe as you're remembering it as like, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of vegetation on the road, but it was
Speaker 1: because there were felled trees and overgrown bushes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And so we're driving and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this road's starting to get really gnarly and we're going downhill,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, if I have to turn around,
Speaker 1: I don't think this car would be able to make
Speaker 1: it up these muddy, steep hills if I even could
Speaker 1: turn around, which there was no ability to turn around
Speaker 1: because it was densely forest jungle, you know, single lane,
Speaker 1: no turnoffs or anything like that. Like it was. It
Speaker 1: was as bad as like you're you're committed. Once we
Speaker 1: got over into the dirt road. We were committed to
Speaker 1: that road. At the time, we maybe didn't know that,
Speaker 1: but in hindsight we one hundred percent were no turning around.
Speaker 1: So we're driving down rain gets a little heavier. It's
Speaker 1: getting late, right, it was like six or seven pm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sunsetting.
Speaker 1: The sun hadn't set, but it was definitely like about
Speaker 1: to and we didn't get to our hotel until dark.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. We got to our hotel. We're alive spoiler
Speaker 1: and so we're driving and we get to this point
Speaker 1: where I stopped the car, put it in park and
Speaker 1: have to like go and scout the road ahead where.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like raining now.
Speaker 1: It was mostly the this stuff on the road, like
Speaker 1: I needed to know exactly where to put the tires,
Speaker 1: exactly where to gun it, where to break, Like you
Speaker 1: can't break here because then you won't get over this
Speaker 1: thing kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It was like a big pit in the road too.
Speaker 1: And like the last thing we would like if we
Speaker 1: stalled out somewhere, like if we high centered on a
Speaker 1: tree or something like that, we would be screwed.
Speaker 2: Because I think we were like five to eight miles.
Speaker 1: Away from the hotel at that point. I think we
Speaker 1: were even a little further maybe fifteen Yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: it said like twenty kilometer. Maybe it was like fifteen kilometers,
Speaker 1: so yeah, about ten miles. And so I knew like
Speaker 1: that was very consequential to have an incident where we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to use the car anymore. So I
Speaker 1: got out of the car, I was like scouting ahead.
Speaker 1: I didn't even say a word to Kaylin and got
Speaker 1: back in the car and I just put my seatbelt on,
Speaker 1: put it in drive, and I like did everything that
Speaker 1: I needed to do, like floored it through this, breaked
Speaker 1: hard for this, avoided this kind of thing, and that
Speaker 1: went well, and then we got up to another point
Speaker 1: where I had do that again. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys have ever had this experience, but I've
Speaker 1: had it several times in my life. Not very often.
Speaker 1: There's a physical reaction to something bad that could potentially happen.
Speaker 1: Like for me, my stomach goes gets really like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, hollow feeling. It almost feels like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: like I've got like a piece of metal in my mouth,
Speaker 1: like I'm sucking on metal. Like the taste, it just
Speaker 1: tastes like metal. And it's a very distinct feeling. It's
Speaker 1: a feeling I only get when I'm doing something that
Speaker 1: I think I'm about to regret, like I'm gonna hurt
Speaker 1: myself really bad, or this is going to end really
Speaker 1: poorly in whatever degree. And I got that feeling, and
Speaker 1: it's the only time I've gotten it since we've been together.
Speaker 1: It's the first time I've had it, and you know,
Speaker 1: probably a dozen dozen years or so. And the sun
Speaker 1: it was kept going down, kept going down. There got
Speaker 1: to this other point where there was like a big
Speaker 1: rock wall door right, a big cliff to our left,
Speaker 1: still like densely forested, and the car is just where.
Speaker 1: I'm fling it through this terrain because I have no
Speaker 1: other choice, and the cars just bouncing around. We're like
Speaker 1: bouncing off this tree, bouncing off this rock.
Speaker 2: And we hadn't spoken in like an hour at this point.
Speaker 1: It might have been more. It might have been like
Speaker 1: two hours.
Speaker 2: My feeling, I was like shaking and quiet. And then
Speaker 2: I I don't know if we had service, Like I
Speaker 2: couldn't exit out of the map. We didn't have service,
Speaker 2: no service, So why? I kept thinking very morbid. But
Speaker 2: I'm like, no one's going to find our bodies? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like how are our families going to know where we are?
Speaker 2: Because I thought we were going to die. I had
Speaker 2: a feeling that like we weren't going to come out
Speaker 2: of it. Why. I don't know, but that's how I felt.
Speaker 1: Death is pretty extreme. But I got the same feeling too,
Speaker 1: Like I was just saying, I had that feeling that
Speaker 1: I never get and I don't often feel like I'm
Speaker 1: going to die. That's as bad of a feeling as
Speaker 1: I can get, Like I didn't even get that feeling
Speaker 1: when I crashed skiing in Switzerland, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It got to this point where we were like seven
Speaker 1: miles away from the hotel, making such slow progress, going
Speaker 1: five miles an hour through most of it because I'm
Speaker 1: like navigating through this stuff and just going really slow
Speaker 1: and meticulous, I guess you could say. And it got
Speaker 1: to the point where I was like, Okay, seven miles,
Speaker 1: we could walk that in two hours. But now it's dark,
Speaker 1: so we would Like I've already kind of planted out
Speaker 1: all out my head, Like I was like, Oh, we'll
Speaker 1: sleep in the car tonight, wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: and then walk to the hotel.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I, if we stall out, I'm leaving
Speaker 2: my luggage. I'm going to sprint through this jungle as
Speaker 2: fast as I possibly can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know what else are you going to do?
Speaker 1: I thought sleeping in the car would have been the
Speaker 1: best option.
Speaker 2: But eventually we made it. And after we made it
Speaker 2: and got service or we went on a hike later
Speaker 2: on and someone told us that the most I haven't
Speaker 2: actually fact just checked this, but the most venomous snakes
Speaker 2: in both Americas. Lives in Saint Lucia. So had we
Speaker 2: gotten out of the car, how do we get a
Speaker 2: bit by a snake? Then death was probable.
Speaker 1: Death was thankfully we didn't have to get out of
Speaker 1: the car, minus the times that I I had to
Speaker 1: go and see the road ahead of us, I guess,
Speaker 1: but but I mean it was scary, and I think
Speaker 1: the biggest fear that I had was because, like I
Speaker 1: said earlier, like I knew that, like, let's since there
Speaker 1: were so many felled trees and like overgrown bushes and stuff,
Speaker 1: the likelihood of it being so bad at a future
Speaker 1: point on that same road was pretty high, you know,
Speaker 1: like you always kind of expect the middle of every
Speaker 1: trail to be the worst because it's probably the least trafficked.
Speaker 1: And so in my head, I was like, if it's
Speaker 1: this bad this early on, it's only gonna get worse.
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of why I started feeling that way,
Speaker 1: knowing that I couldn't turn around and get us out
Speaker 1: of there. And so yeah, so eventually we like I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly how it happened.
Speaker 2: But we bounce in and bobbing and swerving.
Speaker 1: We got out and the road like straightens out and
Speaker 1: like flattens out, and it's graded a lot better. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think we're out of the woods now,
Speaker 1: but like you didn't want to jinx it because you
Speaker 1: never know.
Speaker 2: And I put my finger up and I said, don't
Speaker 2: talk until we get to the hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then so then we eventually like passed a
Speaker 1: couple little buildings and I was like, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: we're in the clear now. So we landed at like
Speaker 1: two pm and we didn't get to the hotel until
Speaker 1: eight pm. It was crazy, even though it was only
Speaker 1: supposed to be an hour and a half drive it
Speaker 1: and I've taken as six hours.
Speaker 2: And when I think about Saint Lucia, this is what
Speaker 2: I think about. So anyone's like I want to go
Speaker 2: to Saint Lucia, I always say don't.
Speaker 1: Go because, look, in hindsight, you survived. Do you not
Speaker 1: think it's like a cool, fun memory to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, but it's definitely tainted my experience. But Saint
Speaker 2: Lucia itself, so we get to our first hotel, I
Speaker 2: think there are people who just want to lay by
Speaker 2: the beach and not do much else. I think Saint
Speaker 2: Lucia's the perfect spot for that. Like it's a very
Speaker 2: honeymoon esque destination, a lot a lot of honeymooners. And
Speaker 2: it's funny because Diana and I were there for a
Speaker 2: few days. We had drinking like fifty pina coladas over
Speaker 2: the week at that point, and everyone's on their honeymoon,
Speaker 2: so everyone has these like amazing bodies, and I was like,
Speaker 2: just get me out of here. I felt so bloated
Speaker 2: and gross. But it's just a very like relaxed hang
Speaker 2: by the pool drink. We did kayak one day, and
Speaker 2: we did go on one hike. But and the Patones
Speaker 2: are great.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I ask if you remember what
Speaker 1: they were called Patons. Yeah, good job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Potones are really cool to see. I just
Speaker 2: don't maybe I planned it poorly, but I don't think
Speaker 2: there's like a ton of exploring to do, yeah, adventure
Speaker 2: esque activities.
Speaker 1: Ironically enough, one of my friends is there right now
Speaker 1: and he did like a he like sailed a boat
Speaker 1: around the island, okay, And I think he's having a
Speaker 1: better time than we did because he's kind of leaning
Speaker 1: into more of the adventure side. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that's why you booked it because it was like there
Speaker 1: is adventure to be had, but we were just maybe
Speaker 1: so burnt out from just getting to the hotel that
Speaker 1: we just wanted to like sit around and not really.
Speaker 2: Do much and just live and survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not really that kind of I'm not
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that just wants to sit on
Speaker 1: a beach and drink. I'll do it. I'll do it
Speaker 1: like a day or two, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it the entire trip, you know.
Speaker 2: But we did kayak in the ocean. Kayaking in the
Speaker 2: ocean is so hard, but it was cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how hard did you try? And the kayak?
Speaker 2: Again? This is back before I worked out, so I
Speaker 2: was My arms were little noodles.
Speaker 1: Put us in a kayak tomorrow. I guarantee I'm doing
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the paddling.
Speaker 2: Do you see how strong I am?
Speaker 1: Here's a very strong but you're strong to your weight ratio.
Speaker 1: I weigh twice as much as you. Well, also, paddle.
Speaker 1: One paddle for me is ten paddles for you.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, the TikTok. When my husband's home,
Speaker 2: I can't lift this. And when my husband's not home,
Speaker 2: I'm like lifting a bed on my bare back, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's also being in a kayak with you and
Speaker 2: knowing you're so much stronger.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, and I'm not braggerbout being stronger than
Speaker 1: my wife by the way, Like I bet you come on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the kayaking was fun. The hotels we stayed
Speaker 1: at were nice. They were like kind of junglely vibes.
Speaker 1: The first one, at least, it was like a little
Speaker 1: villa on a hillside overlooking the water, was really beautiful.
Speaker 1: The patons were cool. I really wanted to hike the
Speaker 1: There's a big potona in a small potone I think
Speaker 1: roughly what they were called, and you can hike the
Speaker 1: small paton to get really cool views of the big poton.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it. One morning. Our hotel was
Speaker 1: like an hour away from them, which was kind of
Speaker 1: far because they're on like the west the west southwest
Speaker 1: part of the island Ish and so it had been
Speaker 1: an hour drive. I wanted to get there for sunrise,
Speaker 1: and it would have been like a six hour hike,
Speaker 1: so I was like, I have to leave it like
Speaker 1: one am to get there. There's like no beta online
Speaker 1: about hiking these things. I think the locals probably don't
Speaker 1: hike them often, and if they do, they're not like
Speaker 1: getting online to share all the information that they get
Speaker 1: out on it, you know, so they're like, there's there
Speaker 1: might be a trail. I ended up not doing it
Speaker 1: just because I didn't want to. Again, I think I
Speaker 1: was just kind of burnt out from the experience getting there.
Speaker 1: But I think they hiked it, and my friends that
Speaker 1: are there now, they hiked it with a guide and
Speaker 1: they said it was great. What else did we do?
Speaker 1: Then we drove up for next hotel. Caitlin had never
Speaker 1: been on a jet ski.
Speaker 2: You had never been on a jet ski. I had been.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've definitely been on a jet skis. You just
Speaker 1: really wanted a jet ski.
Speaker 2: I think, no, Oh, you had never jet skid in
Speaker 2: the ocean. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta do that at some point in your life.
Speaker 2: But we did right before our flight. So we like
Speaker 2: hopped on a jet ski for an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Our flight was like PM. Checked out of the
Speaker 1: hotel at nine am, drove an hour north, got these
Speaker 1: jet skis.
Speaker 2: It was fun.
Speaker 1: It was fun for a minute. Jeki. It's really hard
Speaker 1: jet skiing in the ocean is challenging because there's so
Speaker 1: much chop, like you're you're fighting the current the waves.
Speaker 2: Because typically what I've done if jet skiing in the
Speaker 2: ocean is like you're on a boat. The boat has
Speaker 2: a jet ski, so you're like out in the middle
Speaker 2: of the waves. Aren't crazy, fancy, fancy.
Speaker 1: Girl, You're on a boat with the jet ski.
Speaker 2: Je's fancy. Uh this you're like going through the what
Speaker 2: is it the break and getting through.
Speaker 1: The break wasn't hard. It was just like once you're
Speaker 1: out at sea, the waves, they're the water is so choppy,
Speaker 1: so it's like you can't really go fast because you're
Speaker 1: just bouncing around everywhere on that small little thing.
Speaker 2: But I was like, but that's what I was talking
Speaker 2: about in the middle of the ocean where it's calm.
Speaker 1: It's not calm anywhere in the ocean. Was well, I
Speaker 1: like to go fast and you can't really go fast,
Speaker 1: and it's like that.
Speaker 2: And they were like dangerous rocks and left and right
Speaker 2: that it was in the waves. It was it was
Speaker 2: a little scary but fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that was basically the Saint Lucia trip in
Speaker 1: a nutshell. It's just funny that the like the experience
Speaker 1: that we talk about most is getting to the hotel.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was, because it's scarred us both in
Speaker 2: talking about it. People are like, oh wow, so crazy.
Speaker 2: But if you were there in that car with us,
Speaker 2: you would have felt that same feeling and felt like
Speaker 2: death was near.
Speaker 1: And we were only dating for like four months at
Speaker 1: that point.
Speaker 2: Probably yeah.
Speaker 1: But would you recommend anyone to visit Saint Lucia.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go back. I would tell people to do
Speaker 2: a different itinerary from what we did, right, And also,
Speaker 2: there's this chocolate hotel that looks incredible, so I would
Speaker 2: suggest going there, but it was also like two thousand
Speaker 2: at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do think there were some cool hotels that
Speaker 1: we might have missed out on that were like how
Speaker 1: would you say them? How would you say they were?
Speaker 1: They were.
Speaker 2: Luxurious?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, almost like the opposite. It was almost
Speaker 1: like they were more of like an experiential hotel, m
Speaker 1: like your live I guess the Villa hotel we said
Speaker 1: it was kind of like that. But there were hotels
Speaker 1: like near the Potones that had like mud spas, and
Speaker 1: it just felt like more of an authentic experience from
Speaker 1: a wealthy yer standpoint. You know, like obviously the local
Speaker 1: aren't going to be doing that, but it just seems
Speaker 1: like a cool thing that you probably wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to get many other places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we also did a rum tasting, and in Ireland
Speaker 2: we did a whiskey tasting. And we're not just we're
Speaker 2: not tasting people.
Speaker 1: We're not tasting people like.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the difference between the whiskey and
Speaker 2: the rum. And I just don't want to take random
Speaker 2: little shots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just don't. I don't really want to
Speaker 1: get wasted. Yeah, you know, and I don't enjoy the
Speaker 1: taste of those things, right, So why would I sit
Speaker 1: here and take little SIPs of them? This one's from here,
Speaker 1: this one's from here, this one's sweet, this one's sour.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they all taste like crap to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate this, but it was interesting.
Speaker 2: I guess the place where we had it was really cool.
Speaker 2: It was almost like a wine cellar. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: would say go and do the opposite of what we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't rent a car, you're saying, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would still rent the car, Okay. I would go back
Speaker 1: just to like maybe drive that road. Again and same
Speaker 1: road and be less scared this time. Wow, whisky, Maybe
Speaker 1: that's what it was for me. I don't really get scared,
Speaker 1: and that was maybe just me being scared of the
Speaker 1: feeling that I had, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Took you a long time to recover from it the
Speaker 2: whole vacation.
Speaker 1: No. No, But I'm just saying like, that's maybe the
Speaker 1: feeling that I was experiencing was fear. Fear, which is
Speaker 1: not a feeling that I'm familiar with.
Speaker 2: When's the last time you were scared, Saint Lucia? No, seriously,
Speaker 2: that was four years ago.
Speaker 1: I get scared every time my skydive, not that I've
Speaker 1: skydived in a while, but but different kind of fear,
Speaker 1: maybe more of like ane excited fear versus like a dread.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it was. Dread. Let's call it dread.
Speaker 2: Dread. Wow, Yeah, I had dread yesterday.
Speaker 1: Because the house didn't have heat. No, because you're driving.
Speaker 2: Yes, I drove my very personal storm yesterday and I
Speaker 2: was filled with dread. Mmm, you weren't there.
Speaker 1: Don't compare your dread to my dread.
Speaker 2: No, there were Okay, So it was so snowy that
Speaker 2: there were these massive gusts of wind because it was
Speaker 2: really windy too, and it would just it was a
Speaker 2: complete wide out. You could not see anything in front
Speaker 2: of you or near you. It was pretty scared.
Speaker 1: M dread that scary as Saint Luicia.
Speaker 2: Saint Lucia, it was worse, but this was a close third.
Speaker 1: What second, I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: It can't be like right under it anyways.
Speaker 1: Don't compare your dread to mind dread. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Saint Lucia. Is there anything else that we're missing?
Speaker 2: Probably we didn't do that much.
Speaker 1: That hike that we did that one day was really nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we learned about some fruit and vegetation, and it
Speaker 2: was we had a tour guide or a hike leader.
Speaker 1: Book through our hotel I think probably, yeah.
Speaker 2: And there was a couple with us.
Speaker 1: So, like the vista at the top was really nice.
Speaker 1: Remember like that little deck with the used to see
Speaker 1: the patons from where you're sitting. You just got to
Speaker 1: like situp there and look at the view for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, just trying to think of anything else
Speaker 1: that was really exciting that we did.
Speaker 2: We really didn't do much. We drank a lot because
Speaker 2: I think it was one of those all inclusives, which
Speaker 2: really get you because then you're just panaclatta left and right.
Speaker 2: And then towards the end the trip, we were like,
Speaker 2: we should stop drinking this just straight sugar and milk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I love those two things though. And the
Speaker 1: first hotel we say that the food is good. I
Speaker 1: don't remember it being especially good at the second, not
Speaker 1: that it was bad, but I do remember at the
Speaker 1: first hotel we were like impressed by the menu.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the second was all inclusive, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: as great of a menu as the first.
Speaker 1: Right, right, I think that whole area is very French influenced,
Speaker 1: right am I mistaken with thinking that French colonized?
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: So the food is pretty good. The pinut clattas and
Speaker 1: the wine were really good. Iually remember that first hotel
Speaker 1: there was like that long stone hallway that we would
Speaker 1: walk to get down to the restaurant. Do you remember that? No,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's Saint Lucia. I personally would probably not
Speaker 1: go back, but I would like if someone was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we got a trip to Saint Lucia, we got you covered,
Speaker 1: do you want to come, I'd probably be like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't mind going to the Chocolate Hotel. If someone were
Speaker 2: to randomly invite me, then I'd.
Speaker 1: Go to that. If you got a free trip to
Speaker 1: Saint Lucia, like if Saint Luis to Saint Lucia Tours
Speaker 1: and Board heard this podcast, they wanted to like amend
Speaker 1: their your experience there, would you go?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because I don't. I don't think we had like
Speaker 2: a true experience, And I feel bad shutting on it
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's necessarily It's not a bad place.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful and gorgeous. It was just tainted by that
Speaker 2: scary drive. And I didn't this. Again, It's my first
Speaker 2: time planning an international trip, so I didn't plan it.
Speaker 2: I thought that I would love to just like lay
Speaker 2: by the Beach true week, and I got bored pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you live in your learn, live my learn.
Speaker 1: I agree. Anyways, that's gonna do it for this week's episode.
Speaker 1: Have been there, Dean That next week, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about, but we'll figure out when
Speaker 1: we get there, so be sure to tune in then,
Speaker 1: where maybe we suck just a little bit less