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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Ink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to go

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Speaker 1: through our full all season blueprint. This is how we think,

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Speaker 1: you know, things could go down this off season for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and how they'll prepare themselves for the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five season. So Garrett a lot to break down here,

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Speaker 1: and let's start with a process that's already underway, but

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Speaker 1: some needs to wrap up, and that's coaching changes. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens have signed Todd Munkin or are in the

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Speaker 1: process of resigning him to an extension, which is great

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Speaker 1: news as we discussed on our last podcast, and then

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Speaker 1: bringing back Chuck Mamgono to be a senior secondary coach

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Speaker 1: I thought was another great move they do. They have

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Speaker 1: an opening a vacancy at inside linebacker coach and so

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Speaker 1: we'll see who fills that position. But and there could

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Speaker 1: be other changes, but that's kind of where we stand

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Speaker 1: right now. And once that gets wrapped up, then all

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Speaker 1: those coaches will come together and they'll start doing their

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Speaker 1: scheme changes and doing the that's already kind of underway.

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Speaker 1: The deep dive assessing what they did last year and

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Speaker 1: then building back up what do they want to be

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. So that's kind of the first

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Speaker 1: step of the off season for the coaches at least.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically we look at it holistically. From the off season,

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Speaker 2: you go from these coaching changes, then you have the

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Speaker 2: free agency process, the draft evaluation process, the draft. That's

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Speaker 2: essentially the calendar, and the Ravens are in the beginning

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Speaker 2: stage here of looking at the coaching staff and making

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Speaker 2: some adjustments to it. But I do think and we

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Speaker 2: dove into all of this in a podcast last week

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Speaker 2: talking about the coaching moves, but bringing back keeping Todd

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Speaker 2: Munkin when there was head coaching buzz around him, he

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Speaker 2: interviewed for two head coaching jobs, and there was concerned

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Speaker 2: that he could end up leaving keeping him in place.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can overstate how significant it is.

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Speaker 2: He's a great coordinator. This offense has been historic. Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson's been excellent the last two years, the two best

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Speaker 2: years of his career, and so maintaining him to lead

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Speaker 2: this offensive staff as massive. And then the additions the

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Speaker 2: Ravens have made on the defensive side I think have

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Speaker 2: been really good too. So I think that I felt

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Speaker 2: like the coaching staff was in a good place already.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really good coaching staff last year,

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Speaker 2: but now being able to keep that in place and

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Speaker 2: then add some like a significant piece like a Chuck Bagana,

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Speaker 2: who's such a knowledgeable, well respected coach, I think is

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Speaker 2: only going to take this coaching staff to another level.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a great start on that front for

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So the next process in the offseason is

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Speaker 1: really evaluating which of your own free agents are you

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Speaker 1: bringing back in which are you not. And so we'll

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Speaker 1: go through the list and we'll start with the big

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Speaker 1: fish here, offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: ESPN has ranked as the number three overall unrestricted free

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Speaker 1: agent set to hit the market. Obviously, he played a

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Speaker 1: kind of return to I don't know if I want

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Speaker 1: after injury plagued years before that played at a high

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Speaker 2: Just played it was just the Pro Bowl. He was

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Speaker 2: initially a Pro Bow alternate, ended up making the Pro

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Speaker 2: Bowl level this year. Yeah, and credit to him given

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Speaker 2: all that he had to go through. There were points

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Speaker 1: He was healthy the whole year. He was a huge

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he missed a practice all season long,

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Speaker 2: I really questioned whether he would ever get back to

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Speaker 2: you wonder, is he ever going to get back to

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Speaker 2: the type of player that he was before the injuries

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Speaker 2: this team's success. So credits Ronnie. Now he's put himself

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Speaker 2: in position because of that that he's got another nice

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Speaker 2: his career. He's a big time paid player. But now

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Speaker 2: Track projected the value of his contract that he could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, north of twenty million a year. So you're I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean your fifty five is more than twenty five exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Mean, their projections aren't iron clad, but yeah, he's looking

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Speaker 1: at I think it's it's certainly safe to say he's

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Speaker 1: There's Cam Robinson and then Tyron Smith, who's you know,

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Speaker 1: you're the best at your position, at a premium position,

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Speaker 1: you're going to get paid. And so for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: backing up a second, currently, the Ravens have around six

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Speaker 1: they kind of renegotiate, not renegotiate, but do something with

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's contract. I guess renegotiate probably is the right word.

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Speaker 1: And to free up some more cap space. Sure, Like

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Speaker 1: free up cap space. Maybe that's what happens with Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be beneficial for the Ravens obviously,

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Ravens are in I think, pretty

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Speaker 1: now look at where they are and they played well

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Speaker 2: This is the only team that he's ever played for,

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Speaker 2: like when you say, like, oh, I just take less,

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Speaker 2: how much less are we talking here? Because if you

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Speaker 2: are you talking twenty four here or you're talking ten here?

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Speaker 2: Because that's a big difference. And I think that so

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Speaker 2: I think he would certainly be open to staying here,

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Speaker 1: But I do think that he you're saying all things

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Speaker 2: Is close to equal equal. I think it's honestly probably

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Speaker 2: keep Ronnie? Can you at like twenty million? Like you

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Speaker 2: know that he's not going to play for for two million, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean being extreme here, but like he's not going

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Speaker 2: That's the question? Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Derek Tacosta said, all options are on the table, basically

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Speaker 1: for the left side of the offensive line, rees bring

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Speaker 1: All options are on the table there, which to me

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Speaker 1: It's not a happy trails. You know, we'll see you later.

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Speaker 1: Go get the best offer out there.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's all right, let's let's stay in contact.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what kind of deal, what offers you get,

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Speaker 1: and if we can match that and make that work.

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Speaker 1: Like he's a great player and and you want a

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Speaker 1: It's not easy to just go out there a what

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Speaker 1: Like the it's a pretty thin left hand free agent

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Speaker 1: in the draft. Now, the Ravens hit on Roger Rosegarden,

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Speaker 1: that they can do it again, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But it's not easy. It's a tall task. One speaking

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Speaker 1: that they have Roger rosen Garten who could be moved

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Speaker 1: be the long term replacement for Ronnie Stanley. That's what

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Speaker 2: uh somewhere.

435
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Speaker 1: Josh Johnson, Josh, Yes, there's two.

436
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 2: There's two. Josh is here, Josh Johnson at quarterback, backup quarterback.

437
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one because backup quarterback is a really

438
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 2: important position.

439
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: Well unless Lamar Jackson plays the entire time like you did, well,

440
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: you don't, didn't. You don't need it till you need

441
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: it exactly.

442
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: You don't want it to You want it to be

443
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 2: the least important position in the on the on the field,

444
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 2: but if you need it, it's really important. I think

445
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: the Ravens really like Josh Johnson. I think Lamar Jackson does.

446
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: I think that he's a valuable piece here. How much

447
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: longer does he want to play? Like he's been in

448
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: the league a long time, play for every team in

449
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 2: the league, Like, how much longer does he want?

450
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: To? Have a commercial during the AFC Championship talking about

451
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: how he's been everywhere? Right, you saw COI jo amazing,

452
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: I was like Josh Johnson commercially also.

453
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I don't know, I don't know what

454
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 2: Josh wants. I also think that the Ravens last year

455
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 2: they drafted Evan Leary as potentially a develop and then

456
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: move into that backup quarterback role, and then he ended

457
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: up not being on the fifty three. Was on the

458
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: practice squad all year, so he's still on the on

459
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: the team, was on the practice squad last season. I

460
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: don't know that he would be ready to move into

461
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: that number two quarterback role. The tricky thing on backup

462
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks is like if you go out and you get

463
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: somebody else, some of these guys get pretty decent money

464
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: in the backup role. So like if you try to

465
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: go sign like a Mitch Trubisky, the Buffalo's backup quarterback, like,

466
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: some of those guys get pretty decent money. And so

467
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't think you're in a position where you want

468
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: to spend much money on your backup quarterback.

469
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: No, but you don't.

470
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: Necessarily have one in house that you're look ready to

471
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: make the number two.

472
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Speaker 1: All right, A couple of points on this for me,

473
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: is Josh Johnson any different next year than he was

474
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: this year? Right now? He's a year older, But it's

475
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: not like the guy's like running all over the place

476
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: like that. You're like, we got to test Josh Johnson's

477
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: forty speed, right right? I mean, the guy knows what

478
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: he's doing like be Lamar likes him. Yeah, good influence

479
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: on Lamar. Good dude, well liked around here. Todd Monkin

480
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: likes him. So when your offensive coordinator and your quarterback

481
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: starting quarterback like him, that's two big checks in your favor. Yeah.

482
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think that the Ravens, to your point,

483
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: are interested in spending a lot of money before the

484
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: season starts for a guy that they probably won't be using.

485
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah if if Josh and I don't see, like, I

486
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: don't see why he if he has an opportunity to

487
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: come back and stay here, why he wouldn't want to

488
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: do that, Like he didn't seem like a guy that's

489
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: like all right, I'm ready to if he wants.

490
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,239
Speaker 1: To continue playing, I think it makes a whole lot

491
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: of sense to bring him back on a on a

492
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: deal to what he just had, similar to one year

493
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: deal exactly. And I think at this point of his career,

494
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: he's getting one year deal and and he's got to

495
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: win that job again. He's got to beat out Devin Leary.

496
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: He would have to beat out Devin Leary again, Like

497
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: I would think Devin gets another crack at it, and

498
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: in training camp in the offseason and he should be

499
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: that much better with the experience and whatnot. And yeah,

500
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: he'd have to win that job.

501
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: And the Ravens could add another player like a Devin

502
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 2: Lee in this year's draft too.

503
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: You could or another undrafted guy that you throw into

504
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: the mix to compete as well.

505
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: Right, I think they're gonna want to get like that,

506
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: depending on what they think of Leary and whether he

507
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 2: could be that guy they're gonna want to find, I

508
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: think a long term backup potentially, and so they could

509
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: use that in the draft, but we'll.

510
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: See, Yeah they could. And then I think Josh Jones

511
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: is an interesting conversation as well. I think that if

512
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: Ronnie is not resigned, the chances of resetting Josh Jones

513
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: goes up because now you have at least kept you

514
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: have on your roster and experienced former starting tackle because

515
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: and then that gives you the flexibility. Okay, if Roger

516
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: moves into the left tackle spot to replace Ronnie, Josh

517
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: Jones could could be our plug and play starter right tackle.

518
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: You know, he had some good moments, especially late in

519
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: the year that Pittsburgh playoff game, played a number of

520
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: snaps and played well. He's like I said he's done it,

521
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: and then maybe you draft a high tackle kind of

522
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: like a Roger Rosegarden, like Josh Jones almost becomes your

523
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: Pat McCarey replacement if you don't bring Pat back. Also, right,

524
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: because Josh Jones can also play guard, He can play

525
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: guard tackle, and he has starting experience, so you could

526
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: plug him in if you need to until the rookie

527
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: whoever you draft high in the draft is able is

528
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: ready to take over.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I agree with all that. I mean,

530
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: I think that Jones he was the guy last year

531
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: who I honestly thought like early on he'll probably end

532
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: up in the starting lineup, and the Raves ended up

533
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: not using him as a starter, but he did play

534
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: that six offensive line of spot, especially in that Pittsburgh game,

535
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: And so I think, honestly part of the decision on

536
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: bringing him back is like the evaluation there. Do the

537
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: Ravens think he could come in and start potentially do

538
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: they feel like he's this starting caliber player you got

539
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: beat out last year for a starting job, But they

540
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: also could feel like, hey, he could have done it.

541
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: Just really liked Rodger Rosegarden, for example, and so they

542
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: feel like he could come in and be the starting player.

543
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: You could get a starting caliber player at a pretty

544
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: good price, and they made up to go that.

545
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: Route, right, Yeah, I agree. The only he can't play

546
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't play center. But you just drafted Nick semac

547
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: last year. So like he's unlike McCarey in that way

548
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: where McCarry truly could play all five.

549
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: But McCarry is a unicorn. Like there's not guys that

550
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: there's not many guys that can do that. He's one

551
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: of one in that regard.

552
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: All right.

553
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: So let's little bit over to the defensive side of

554
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: the ball, and the biggest free agent really on defense

555
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: is probably Brandon Stevens. His rookie contract is up. Started

556
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: every game this year.

557
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: Two years. He's been a start for the last two years.

558
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: Eric Costa said the season review press conference they're going

559
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: to let him test the market and see what that

560
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: value is. Didn't close the door on him potentially returning,

561
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: but they're going to let him test the market. So

562
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Stevens has been a starter for the last two years.

563
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: He got picked on at times this year. He's been

564
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: targeted a ton of the last two seasons. Held up better

565
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: last year, I think than he did at the end

566
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: of this season, but still was the starting player for

567
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: this team, and starting corners often get a lot of money.

568
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: What does that look like for him? So, like, I

569
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: think his evaluation is tough because teams are going to

570
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: look at him and say, man, this guy's been a starter.

571
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: He's always in the right place, but he got targeted

572
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: a ton and gave up more than he should have.

573
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: And so what's that evaluation look like. It's really difficult

574
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: to say.

575
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: I agree with all that, And I do think that

576
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: the Ravens are starting at a good place at cornerback

577
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: with Marlon Humphrey and Nate Wiggins. How much more are

578
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: you willing to spend on your another cornerback, you know?

579
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: And I don't think that Brandon Stevens is gonna would come.

580
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: I think he could get a modest deal out on

581
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: the market. So to me, I think that once he

582
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: when he tests the market, he'll probably find a better

583
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: deal than what he would find in Baltimore's my guess.

584
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: And the Ravens have some other young corners that they

585
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: could potentially turn to, and in Jalen armor Davis, who

586
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: maybe finally gets his turn, like an Anthony Averrett, you know,

587
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: same college even who you know, if he can stay healthy,

588
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: like you like the potential there, He's got starter potential. TJ.

589
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: Tampa another player I think the Ravens are really happy

590
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: to get. Felt like they got a bargain on him

591
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: last year in last year's draft. Can he then maybe

592
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: step into the Jaalen armor Davis here the first backup

593
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: if a starter goes down kind of situation and compete

594
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: for a starting job. So they have some other in

595
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: house options, and then I expect them to address cornerback

596
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: pretty early in the draft. Again.

597
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to have your top two cornerbacks basically

598
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: under contract and be like we got Marlon Humphrey and

599
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 2: we have Nate Wagas.

600
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Now, the thing with Marlin is like he's played so

601
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: well in that slot, that big slot position, that I

602
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of I'm kind of interested in keeping him there,

603
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, like if I can, if I can get

604
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: another starting corner outside corner and have Marlon in there,

605
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: and of course Kyle Hailton would roll in there, Like

606
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: I like, I want three starting caliber corners. I went

607
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: three starters at corner. Yeah, and that way you have

608
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: that versatility with Marlin well.

609
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: Jalen armor. Davis is potentially that if he steps in,

610
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: but he's dealt with injuries his whole career.

611
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: So hard to push all your chips in the center

612
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: of the table.

613
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Another interesting one who's a free agent on defense is

614
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: Trudevious White. Yeah, and the Ravens added him late in

615
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: the year as a trade. Didn't play a ton, but

616
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: played to some big moments and I thought played pretty well.

617
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: I thought it was a good trade. Like the Ravens

618
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: end up adding him for not much at the deadline,

619
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: and he was an important piece of this defense late

620
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: in the year, And could you bring him back on

621
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: like a one year small contract.

622
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I'm interested in what that market deal

623
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: looks like, because yeah, I'm I'm open certainly to the

624
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: possibility of having trudevious weight return.

625
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought he fit in well. I thought he

626
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: played well. This is a guy who's been a former

627
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: pro bowler, dealt with injuries, but he is getting healthier

628
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: from those and over come back from those. So I

629
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: think if you can get the right price there, and

630
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's gonna be a huge market

631
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: value just considering the fact that the Ravens traded for

632
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: him for not much, So like that's an indication of

633
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: what the market's going to be. I think you could

634
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: probably get him at a good price, and I think

635
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: that that could make a lot of sense. And then

636
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: you you could have your situation there where you go

637
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: in you're like, all right, him and Jalen armor Davis

638
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: battle it out, whoever ends up winning, whoever's healthy.

639
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: Right, and he could end up drafting quarters.

640
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're gonna we're gonna talk about the draft

641
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: of course too, but you could end up drafting. And

642
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: so you could be in a spot there where you're like,

643
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: all right, it's it's Wiggins, and then it's the winner

644
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: of that battle. And then Marlin is your big your

645
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: big slot corner can also play outside in a two

646
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: cornerback set too. Right, another guy who I think is

647
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: pretty important actually in this on the defensive side from

648
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: a free agency standpoint, that flies under the raidar as.

649
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: Actually both of them, it's both Malik Harrison and Chris Board.

650
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: Those two guys, those were the Those were your linebackers

651
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: getting snaps next to Roquan Smith the second half of

652
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Speaker 2: the season. Trent Simpson opened the year is starting inside linebacker.

653
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: By the end of the year it was Malik and

654
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: Chris Board both this guy also special teamers, veteran players

655
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: kind of they're not similar style players, but they have

656
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: similar roles in the position and then also special teams.

657
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they compliment each other pretty well. Malie

658
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: Harrison is this bigger run stopping kind of player, whereas

659
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: they use Chris Board Moore in pass coverage and things

660
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: like that, so as a blitzer. And so I'm interested

661
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: in bringing both those guys. I don't think either of

662
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: them are, you know, certainly going to go out there

663
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: and get big deals, and so if the price is right,

664
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Speaker 1: I think that it makes a lot of sense to

665
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: bring them back. And then I think the Ravens expectation

666
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: and they'll certainly give him every opportunities that Trenton Simpson

667
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: becomes the starter next to Roquan Smith that they have

668
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: envisioned now for over a year, and you know it

669
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: didn't quite I mean, he won the starting job, but

670
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: obviously was replaced mid season, but they still have high

671
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: hopes for Trent and Simpson as do I. I think

672
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: he's a very talented guy. He's super athletics, all the

673
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: tools that you want, and he's got the right head

674
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. You know, just a good dude who

675
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: works hard, he wants to be great, and as we

676
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: talked about during the season, I think it's just it's

677
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: tough for a young inside linebacker. Patrick Queen went through

678
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: a lot of that same stuff and look at him now,

679
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: you know he's a Pro Bowl player. He came out

680
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: the other side. And Trenton to a degree that kind

681
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: of reminds me of of Peak You a little bit

682
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: in that way. He really athletically gifted and you just

683
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: got to get snaps under your belt and experience. And

684
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I think that another summer and you know, the Rams

685
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: will have a new inside linebacker's coach, will bring some

686
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: fresh perspective and really a big part of that guy's

687
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: job is going to be grooming Trenton Simpson. And so

688
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I expect that Trenton Simpson is your penciled in starter.

689
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: And if you can get Malie Harrison and Chris Board

690
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: back at you know, modest more modest deals that work

691
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: under your salary cap, that it makes a lot of sense.

692
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I would it's Rams and kim Lee Carrison.

693
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: I think they should. I mean, I think this guy

694
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: has been like the player, like he's been a good player.

695
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: He's a rugged guy that can go out there. Like

696
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: I go back to the game that Roquan missed and

697
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: and Malik Harrison stepped in there, led the team and

698
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: tackles and was playing really well. And he's done it.

699
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: And so I think that he understands the defense, he

700
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: knows his role. He's a tough player, he's really physical.

701
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: I think that, like, he just does a lot of

702
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: things right, and you need the guys like that, Like

703
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: he's he's an important player and really good football player.

704
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: So if if the Ravens can find a way to

705
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: keep him and it's not going to come at a

706
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: huge cost, I think that that probably just fits. It

707
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: probably makes sense. Another free agent on the defense is

708
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: Brent Urban, and this is he's been. He's signed a

709
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: bunch of one year deals. I don't know. I think

710
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Brent like he's at the stage of his career where

711
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: he's like, do you want to keep playing what?

712
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I think I saw that he tweeted he's going to

713
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: run it back for one.

714
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: More, right, So that's the plan. And I think that

715
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: I think that that one could make sense. The Ravens

716
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: like him. I think that he certainly likes being here.

717
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: He's been elsewhere, has been come back here and sign

718
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: a couple of additional contracts here. So I think that

719
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: if if he wants to stay here, which I'm guessing

720
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: he does, I think that it probably makes sense just

721
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: to bring it back.

722
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Speaker 1: It's part of the question whether the fun bunch stays

723
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: together though that Michael is Michael Pierce, you know, does

724
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: he retire? Yeah, I think there's a possibility of that.

725
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: M So, you know, you say this package deal, it

726
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: is a package.

727
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: Brand's like, you know what, I'd only come back if

728
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: it's me and Mike.

729
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: I doubt that that's what the case will be. I

730
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: I agree. I think probably if he wants to play

731
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: another year, then they find a way to make that work.

732
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: And Michael Pierce, he has one more year left on

733
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: his contract, correct, and so the question is whether he

734
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: wants to continue playing and and all that.

735
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, quickly.

736
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Speaker 2: The last position to hit here is special teams, and

737
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: it's returner, which I actually think is kind of important.

738
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: The Ravens. Two of the Raves returners. I used a

739
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: handful of returners this year, but Stephen Simms and deonceay

740
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Hardy both Agencyonta Harden last year, Ty Wallace. You know,

741
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: last year they signed Deontay Hardy, gave him a nice

742
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: contract and that was like that was one that they

743
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: expected him to come in and just be the starting

744
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: punt return It didn't work out that way, yeah, because

745
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: of injuries, and so I think that they that is

746
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: a position and under the radar position that they just

747
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: want to firm up. They want to have a clear

748
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: cut punt returner. And so I don't know that it's

749
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: they're going to bring back sims are Hardy to to

750
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: be that guy, or if to look on the market,

751
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: if they're going to look at the draft to do that,

752
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: but like they want to firm up that spot.

753
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that that's they probably go

754
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: in another direction considering it didn't work out very well

755
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: this year. But I agree that they're going to make

756
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: some kind of move. Uh. You know, if you're looking

757
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: at the draft, is that the kind of wide receiver

758
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: that you're they would want to draft? You know, they

759
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: they drafted kind of Devonte's is a little bit bigger guy,

760
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: more linear. You know, do they draft maybe a small

761
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: or shiftier, quicker kind of uh, a punt returner style

762
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver that I think that could be a possibility.

763
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And so I think that that's going

764
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: to be an important spot. Like it's not when you're

765
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: going through like the positions of need and the free agents,

766
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: like it's not the first one that jumps out the page,

767
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: off the page, but I think that it is an

768
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: important role.

769
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Speaker 1: Well, John Harbaal said that the season ending Prescott like

770
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: he was like, that is a big need for us.

771
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: And you see that they invested in that last year.

772
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: They gave heart of that contract last year, so they

773
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: clearly put significant amount of they put resources into that

774
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: spot last year, and so they're going to want to

775
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: do the same this year. And I'm not sure who

776
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: it's going to be, but I think that the Ravens

777
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: are going to invest in that spot. All right, So

778
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: we're going to take a break and then when we

779
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: come back, we'll dive into how the Ravens can attack

780
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: the free agent market this offseason as well as an

781
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: early look ahead to the draft. You're listening to the

782
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,320
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784
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786
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: before we get into free agency and what the Ravens

787
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: could do to add pieces to the equation. All they

788
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: could also add cap from create cap space by either

789
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 2: redoing deals releasing players create cap space. There's always cap casualties.

790
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: That's part of the process. The other part, and this

791
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: would actually probably cut into the cap space, is extensions

792
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: for players who are eligible. The two who are eligible

793
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: this year for the first time are Kyle Hamilton and

794
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: Tyler Linderbaum. Now, those are not going to be cheap,

795
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: and that would probably cut into your cap space because

796
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: you're going to go from a rookie deal to a

797
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: big time second contract. But Eric Decasta did say at

798
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: the season review press conference that they're going to look

799
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: at that and they're going to have those conversations, and

800
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: so I'm not ruling out the potential of one of

801
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: those guys getting an extension this offseason. It would be early.

802
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: They haven't typically done it after a third season. That

803
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: would really be a conversation most often that you have

804
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: after the fourth season. But those are two guys who

805
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: are cornerstone pieces of the team because the Ravens are like, yeah,

806
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: we want them, we want them here long term.

807
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: Well, talking about another guy that falls into that bucket

808
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: is Away right now. He's slaved to play on the

809
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: fifth year French or not franchise tag, but with your option,

810
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: which is not cheap, and so if you were able

811
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: to reach an extension with him that could make it

812
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: a more palatable salary cap number.

813
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his would be basically, you work on the

814
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: extension that improves your salary cap situation. The other two

815
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: would probably worsen your cap situation, but you get more

816
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: que players signed to long term contracts, which is also

817
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: really important. So I'm not like, I don't think it's

818
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: It would not surprise me. It would be surprised me

819
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: if both of them got done, both Tyler and Kyle.

820
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: But I think that if one of them got done

821
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: this offseason, that would not shock me. And I think

822
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: that that's going.

823
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: To be Keeping those guys around is a high priority.

824
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: They're gonna be here. It's just a question that like,

825
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: and I think the Ravens look at it like, we

826
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: want to keep these guys. It's just a question of

827
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: when the deal gets done, and so generally speaking, the

828
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: earlier you do it, you can maybe save a little

829
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: bit of money in the long term. But for Hamilton

830
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: and Linderbaum, they're already two of the best players at

831
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: their positions, so like, it's not like you're getting a

832
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: big discount there.

833
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: Well and right, the ideal, the ideal is that you

834
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: draft well and you get these great players on rookie

835
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: deals and you enjoy those rook deals for as long

836
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: as you can.

837
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's and if you're not enjoying the rookie deal,

838
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: then then that benefit gets diminished. So anyway, that is

839
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: certainly something that could ha could happen. Also, players who

840
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: are eligible for extensions Isaiah likely Travis Jones, but I

841
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: think that those would probably be later. I don't know

842
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: that would necessarily happen before we get to the free

843
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: agency period. So then when I look at free agency,

844
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: first of all, under Eric's costa, the Ravens have been

845
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: a team that makes a splash and free agency, Like

846
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: when you go back and look at it, Derrick Henry,

847
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: now he wasn't the highest price free agent, but he

848
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: was pretty darn effective one, I would.

849
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Say, and signed a future Hall of Famer potentially.

850
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty big move. I think. I'm like, you

851
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: go back and you look at it like DaCosta has

852
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: made some big moves in free agency and use that

853
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: as a way to improve this team. I don't see

854
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: any reason to think that won't be the case this year.

855
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: So as you look at it, what do you think

856
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: is the most likely spot or avenue for the Ravens

857
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: to attack in free agency?

858
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to go a different direction than

859
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: you expect me to say here. Okay, I actually think

860
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Speaker 1: it might be outside linebacker. Okay, I think it could

861
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Speaker 1: be pass rusher. And I think that it's a case

862
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: of where sometimes you can find a little bit more

863
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: bargains and still get a splash player. You know, part

864
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: of me thinks safety, right, I think Marcus Williams is

865
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Speaker 1: going to be playing elsewhere next year and the Ravens

866
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: have an opening at safety. Art Arius Washington played very

867
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: well and I love what he brings to the table.

868
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: But let's not forget it's also Eddie Jackson. So last

869
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: year they had Marcus Williams and Eddie Jackson and art

870
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: Arius Washington. So without Eddie Jackson and Marcus, you definitely

871
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: have a position to fill there. And I think ideally

872
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: art Arius is kind of like your third safety. He's

873
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: almost like what the Eddie Jackson what Eddie Jackson was

874
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: coming into to last year. And if he wins the

875
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: starting spot, like he wins it, and you know, props

876
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: to him, and he certainly could. If not, the third

877
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: safety is still a very important role, and he'd have

878
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: a big role on this defense. But I don't know

879
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: if you go into next season planning like yep, art

880
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: Areas Washington one hundred percent are starter, you know, play

881
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the staff Sexicyle Hamilton, I don't

882
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: know that that's the way the Ravens will approach the situation. Yeah,

883
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: art Areas, by the way, as a restrictive free agent,

884
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: why I certainly think that the Ravens will tender and

885
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: tender high enough for him to stay around. Yeah, that

886
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: another team's not going to posh him. But so part

887
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: of me says, maybe they spend some money on at safety.

888
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like you're you're all the time talking

889
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: about outside linebacker I and you make the big.

890
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: Pitch for safety. I think that the safeties are going

891
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: to be very expensive. Yeah, I think that if you're

892
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: looking at a Trayvon Marrig from the Raiders or even

893
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: a Javon Holland from the Dolphins at Justin Reid from

894
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, you know you're looking at twenty million plus average. Look,

895
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: you know this, so it ain't like, oh, if you

896
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: don't resign Ronnie, maybe you know, maybe pick these safeties,

897
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be similar to Ronnie money for some

898
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: of these guys.

899
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: Potentially, when you look at Marcus Williams when he signed

900
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: here with a seventy million dollar contract, right, so he

901
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: got a big time deal and that he was the

902
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: highest priced safety at that time.

903
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: And you were in a more you have more salary

904
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: cap space, but you're in a more friendly salary cap

905
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: situation then than you are now.

906
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's like the price for the best

907
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: safeties on them exactly.

908
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Yes. So so as much as I like those players

909
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: and I think they'd be great, and yeah, if the

910
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Ravens are going to break the bank and go make

911
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: a big move, that's it. But I just don't think

912
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: with Lamar and where he is in his contract that

913
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: they're that they have that much salary cap flexibility to

914
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: make that kind of investment when you know, oh and all,

915
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you were to sign one of the

916
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: top two safeties on the board, you're sign him to

917
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: a four to five, you know, four year deal. Let's say, well,

918
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: you have you have pol Hamilton, who you're gonna have

919
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: to pay yere to. Like we just got done talking

920
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: about Tyl Linnebaulm behind Zave Flowers a tight end, you know,

921
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: like you have other guys coming up that you're gonna

922
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: want to give these Odafeoe who we just talked about,

923
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to give these long term extensions to.

924
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: So like, can you afford to bring in an outside

925
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: guy on a long term deal? I don't know that

926
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: you can as much as you want that safety. So

927
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I almost see free agency like the safety as bed

928
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: being more of a like Eddie Jackson, like Eddie Jackson,

929
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: like a middle, middle of the road kind of deal. Yea.

930
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: And I think that if you're looking for bang for

931
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: your buck, you might have a better shot of getting

932
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: that at outside linebacker pass rusher.

933
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: I think that if you do that, you're going the

934
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: route of trying to find a guy like Justin Houston

935
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: or j Davion Clown Yes, Kyle van Noy.

936
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Yes, and like that is the route I think that

937
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: you're going. And I think when you look at who's

938
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: available out there, you have more of those kind of options.

939
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack Right, I mean you're looking at spot Tracks

940
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: valuation of him is seven mil a year, Like, you know,

941
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: that's Derrick Henry. That's Derek Henry signing, right, like the

942
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, been a defensive Player of the Year. Yeah,

943
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: Like okay, Like I'm interested, you know, and certainly a

944
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: lot less than twenty million dollars in an average and

945
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at a two year deal that expires you

946
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: know when these other guys are going to be getting

947
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: their massive deals, right, so he's off the books, like

948
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: matt Judah, could you run it back with Matthew Judah? Yeah,

949
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 1: at the right price. Like, I just think that there's

950
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: more players at outside Linemacker who are in those like

951
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: early thirties. You know, they're they're some of the other

952
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: teams around the league are going to think that they're done,

953
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: that they're washed, and you could find a bargain. You

954
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: can find a Derek can Rey esque bargain.

955
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: Well, they've done it the recent history. I mean, those

956
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: those are three guys in recent years who they've done

957
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 2: with Kyle van Noyjenevon Clowney and Justin Houston, all players

958
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: who have been really productive in their careers, who came

959
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: here and blossomed and.

960
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: Played great years late yeah, in their twilight years.

961
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: And they got and the Ravens lined them to kind

962
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 2: of team friendly friendly contracts and they played have played

963
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: great here. And so pass rusher is an interesting one

964
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 2: because on one hand, you're like, the Ravens had a

965
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: pretty good pass rush this year when you look at

966
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: the stats.

967
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: That's the interesting thing when you talk about need is

968
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: like they had the second most sax in the league. Yeah,

969
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: and you're returning everybody.

970
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: Right and like and van Noy was awesome this year.

971
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Right, And it's also the question of who you think

972
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: is snaps away from Okay, so you know, oh wait,

973
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be paying a lot on this fifth year,

974
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: fifth year option. Van Ney. You know, as he told

975
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: us he ain't going He's not retiring, like he's you know,

976
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: presumably coming back to coming off. He led the team

977
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: in sacks, one of the tops in the NFL. And

978
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: then you have these young guys, Tavis Robinson, who I

979
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: think proved himself and earn more snaps in a larger

980
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: role moving forward. The big question mark is David Ajabo,

981
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: right who now three seasons he played in fourteen games

982
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: or thirteen games. This past season he saw thirty three

983
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps in the games that he played.

984
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: If you were to sign a let's just say, a

985
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack or somebody of that ilk, you're probably taking

986
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: those snaps away from the David Ajabo. To me, it's

987
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: kind of an emission of like, all right, this isn't

988
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: working out. Yeah, you know.

989
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: And I think a Jaba was going into next year

990
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: like there's still high expectations and belief that he could

991
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: blossom into a really good player, but he's going into

992
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: its approve it year. I think he would be the

993
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: first to say that, like he's going in definitely approve

994
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: it year, Like he's going into the year he's gonna

995
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: have to earn his spot and prove his role.

996
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: I think the question is whether you feel like, let's

997
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: go make a move there before beforehand, right, like how

998
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: much are we willing to bet on a job approving

999
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: it correct, proving it correctly, or do we need to

1000
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: make a move there beforehand? You know, Like that's part

1001
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: of the off season event process too that we haven't

1002
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: really talked about. It's like you have to look at

1003
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: these young players who haven't necessarily gotten their shot yet

1004
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: in air quotes and decide which one of those guys

1005
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: are you banking on next year that they're going to

1006
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: make the step that they need to that so you

1007
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: don't have to invest because you're ready to hand that

1008
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: over to that guy and say they're going to run

1009
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: with it. And which guys are you saying? You know what?

1010
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: I think we got to bring somebody in, Like we

1011
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: got to bring in a vet because I'm not sure

1012
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: that this young guy is going to necessarily pan out

1013
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: as well as we hope. Yeah, and part of the

1014
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: deecea Isaac again, Yeah, he's a guy that, like you

1015
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: want to see, you just didn't get to see. And

1016
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: I saw, I like the flashes that I saw and

1017
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: so and the Ravens.

1018
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: Have had success with like those guys that I just

1019
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: mentioned late signings and so do you wait? Do you wait?

1020
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: And then the price goes down and you see what

1021
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: you have these players? All that is part of the evaluation.

1022
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: I do think that if the Ravens could add another

1023
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: pass rusher to the mix, like they would jump at

1024
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: the opportunity.

1025
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: Right as much as I think as for the reasons

1026
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: that we just explained that it's not a huge need

1027
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: on the surface, you just look around and when you

1028
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: talk about what's it going to take to get over

1029
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: the hump and win some of these playoff games against

1030
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: the Mahomes's and the Josh Allens and the best guys,

1031
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: and you're facing these great, really good offensive lines like

1032
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: the Bills offensive line, and the Chiefs usually have a

1033
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: pretty strong offensive line, Like you know, the guys who

1034
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: make splash plays in big games. Sometimes of those pass rushers. Oftentimes,

1035
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: when you look around and you watch the rest of

1036
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: the team that hoists the Lombardi, they usually got a

1037
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: pretty darn good pass rush that makes some big time

1038
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: plays and big time moments.

1039
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1040
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: So I'm not opposed, But those guys, and this is

1041
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: the challenge, don't usually come cheap.

1042
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: Chris Jones is not cheap.

1043
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but that's why I'm saying. I think that

1044
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: when you look at the available free agency, you have

1045
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: some of these guys in their early thirds who maybe

1046
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: do come at a little bit better of a price

1047
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: because the the rest of the league is as we've

1048
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: seen with Kyle van Noy, We've talked to him a

1049
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: nauseam about this. There's a bias against pass rushers in

1050
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: their early thirties and people think that they're they're done.

1051
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: The Ravens have seen quite the opposite, so like they're

1052
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: willing to kind of roll the dice on these guys

1053
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: to a degree and think that they're gonna work out,

1054
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: and they have so far.

1055
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: Another position is O line, and we really broke down

1056
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: like what the Ravens could do O line with both

1057
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: Ronnie and McCarry as free agents. So it seems counter

1058
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: to be like, hey.

1059
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: They're a draft and developed team on the offensive line.

1060
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're gonna, you know, if they

1061
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: wanted to sign somebody that they think that, like at

1062
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Josh Jones as player.

1063
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna look for somebody like that.

1064
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: I think they just hold add that as a free agent.

1065
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: But I think that that could come late in the

1066
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: process too, after the draft. I think you see what

1067
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: you come out of the draft with. But generally speaking,

1068
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't think the Ravens are going to go out

1069
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: and spend on the offense, flying kind of team. They're

1070
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: just they're a draft and developed kind of team on

1071
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: the air line.

1072
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I've already mentioned returner. I think the

1073
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: Ravens if there's the returner that they feel like is

1074
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: the right price and they feel like we can just

1075
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: basically do what they tried to do with Deonta Hardy

1076
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: this year and say like, this is a guy who

1077
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: can just come in, he can be a return he's reliable,

1078
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about that. I think that they

1079
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: would consider that, But it depends who that guy is

1080
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: and what that price is, of course, but I think

1081
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: that that's one I'm not ruling out.

1082
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, if they're making a splash and free agency,

1083
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: which I think there will be some kind of splash, Uh,

1084
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: it's a safety year outside Lantic, I.

1085
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: Agree with those two spots, And to me, it's kind

1086
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: of a coin flip between them. I think actually, I mean,

1087
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: I actually think if they're making a splash, it's probably

1088
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: going to be a safety because I think.

1089
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: What's the Descriptioneah, Yeah, I just the players that you're

1090
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: describing at outside linebacker are often like they're big name players,

1091
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily big money.

1092
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: And that's part of the reason that you're saying you

1093
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: could go because the leagues cast him aside. You could

1094
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: get Jude On potentially at like a lower cost than

1095
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: you would think, And so, like that could make sense.

1096
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: And I think that the Ravens could could absolutely go

1097
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: that route.

1098
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: But like you're telling big money splash.

1099
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: Bigger money player could be a safety, and the Ravens

1100
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: said during the season review press conference, like they would

1101
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: like to add a safety. And so I think that

1102
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: the and they've invested at safety, Like you look at

1103
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: the history in recent years, Yeah, every year they've had

1104
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: an expensive safety on the roster.

1105
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: And I in this argument that we're making, I think

1106
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: it's hard to draft a free safety to step in

1107
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: week one and be that guy. Now you don't necessarily

1108
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: need that because you have our area's question who proved

1109
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: he can play? But like you know, you got it

1110
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: with Kyle Hamilton at but that was the fourteenth overall pick,

1111
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: that not the twenty seventh. Yeah, And so like I

1112
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: think that if you're go into the draft saying we're

1113
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: going to address starting safety right away, like that's kind

1114
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: of it's one of those positions that I think there's

1115
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: a bit more of a steeper learning curve and it's

1116
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: not a plug and play kind of situation. I almost

1117
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: think tackle and corner are a little bit easier to

1118
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: plug and play.

1119
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're truth to that. I think

1120
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: they're true to that. So then the next phase is

1121
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: draft and kind of a quick look at the draft.

1122
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: I look at the draft and I think that the

1123
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: Ravens the top positions of need, and not necessarily any

1124
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: particular order that I have. I have O line, corner,

1125
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: pass rusher, safety. Those are my top four, not in order,

1126
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: but those are my top four.

1127
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Generally, I think interior offensive line.

1128
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, you could well you could end up in

1129
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: it could be tackle position two depending on what happens

1130
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: for sure.

1131
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's similar to last year. Well that's the thing.

1132
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think tackle corner or your top two. Right,

1133
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: the Ravens went corner tackle last season. They could go

1134
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: corner tackle again, or they could go tackle corner exactly.

1135
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: I think it's the same list of needs. Yes, because

1136
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: we had pass rusher too as a position last year.

1137
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: They picked that in the third round. It was it

1138
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: was a corner tackle, pass rusher exactly. It could go

1139
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: in the same exact order, and so I think also

1140
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: you always want to keep your wide receiver pipeline cooking,

1141
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: and so would not surprise me if they drafted a

1142
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the middle rounds. Heck, we're going to

1143
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: have We're projected to have eleven picks right now, including

1144
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: what four fourth rounders, and so h they're going to

1145
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of shots. Yeah, and I think wide

1146
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 1: receivers somewhere in those middle rounds makes a lot of sense,

1147
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: especially one with a returner ability, would make a lot

1148
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: of sense. Defensive linemen would not surprise me if they

1149
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: took a shot there, and potentially even earlier in the.

1150
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: Draft, that was surprising. I don't into your d line.

1151
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm talking like d End. I'm talking like a Brent

1152
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: Urban replacement. Like if you got I mean, I wouldn't

1153
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: even rule out twenty seven. If you got a really

1154
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: good you think d End and you go out there

1155
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: and line up with that guy Travis Jones and and

1156
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: nomde Mattabike, I like it, like you know. They were

1157
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: Ravens were reportedly in the market for trading for Klayis

1158
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: Campbell at the trade deadline, like they they saw a

1159
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: need at the and thought it could be somebody that

1160
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: put him over the top a D end And so

1161
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: that wouldn't surprise me. It's supposed to be a very

1162
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: very strong defensive line, especially defensive tackle class. Could they

1163
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: find that kind of hybrid D N D tackle that

1164
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: really makes Look at what the Eagles have done. Yeah,

1165
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of draft capital and that defensive line,

1166
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: that front seven and that D line is nasty. It

1167
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: is paid off for them.

1168
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: I think the Ravens will certainly draft a defensive lineman.

1169
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: They've got eleven picks, Like we could probably be pretty

1170
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: safe to say, like name a position they're gonna draft it. Yeah,

1171
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: but like it would surprise, it would surprise me to

1172
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 2: see them do it early.

1173
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: I think that they agree with the much higher I

1174
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: think higher like flihood of a corner or a tackle

1175
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: in the first round to me for a pass pressure, Yeah,

1176
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: I would put that above d N probably also, but uh,

1177
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: if we're talking, you know, uh.

1178
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: We know what you're doing. You throw out, you throw

1179
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 2: out every position. As I wins prisy in the dark

1180
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: Horse first round dark Horse dark Horse first Round however,

1181
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: we want to phrase it like this is the dark horse,

1182
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: this is the splash move, this is the breakout, like

1183
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: you're cover all your bases. But I think it's it

1184
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: is really funny because the draft needs and the players

1185
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: and the positions we're going to be talking about. It's

1186
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: like rinse and repeat from last year in terms of

1187
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: how the raven for for this year potentially depending on

1188
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: how the shakes out with the Ravens, current free agents

1189
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: and beyond, when you played the thing out over the

1190
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: course of the next few years. Just was really how

1191
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: you're approaching the draft. But but I think that that's

1192
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: very similar. List of needs.

1193
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: Yep, they're gonna tight end is gonna be a need.

1194
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had my secondary honestly my second so I

1195
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: had my top positions and it was those four and

1196
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: secondary needs. So again like by the time you're done here,

1197
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: you just name every position, but secondary needs. I have

1198
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: a tight end, inside, linebacker and returner.

1199
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: Again depending I mean that put wide receiver on the

1200
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: secondary needs.

1201
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess my my receiver returner. That would be

1202
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 2: the ideal scenarios that you can get somebody who can

1203
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: do both those roles.

1204
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: In my mind, all three tight ends are going into

1205
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: the final year of their contract, so it's an interesting position.

1206
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: Very much so. So there we go. That's our early

1207
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: look here the off season. Blue it, laminate it. Send

1208
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: it to John Harball and Erics Cossa and Steve Bashatti

1209
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: and everybody. When they get together and have their meetings

1210
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: and lay out the plans of the off season. I'm

1211
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: sure they're going to be listening closely as they make

1212
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: those plans. We always love hearing from you. Email us

1213
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net let

1214
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: us know what you would like to see happen this offseason. Again,

1215
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: we always love getting those emails, so thank you so

1216
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: much for listening, and we will talk with you again

1217
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Speaker 2: soon