Speaker 1: Hell. I Suck at Dating with de Nungler and Jared
Speaker 1: Haven and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everyone?
Speaker 1: Welcome to an all new episode of Help I Suck
Speaker 1: at Dating, and believe it or not, Jared is finally
Speaker 1: back with us. About time. It's about time. We missed
Speaker 1: your presence here, buddy. How the heck are you? You know?
Speaker 1: Climbing Everest was fun. I went to bungee jumping, skydiving,
Speaker 1: I backpacked through Pakistan. Uh. You know, I'm quite the
Speaker 1: adventurous soul, and so it was good. You know what
Speaker 1: my my adventure is. Ashley and I went to hobby
Speaker 1: lobby the other day and I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: felt it was the most I felt alive in a
Speaker 1: long time. Tell me what you get. Well, it was
Speaker 1: off fall things, so that's why we went yeup trying
Speaker 1: to decorate both the house and Audrey's. So it was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty extravagant, man, and we were in there
Speaker 1: for a couple, let's say, almost an hour. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty long time for hobby lobby. I it was fun.
Speaker 1: So we went there and then we wanted to go
Speaker 1: to halloween store Spirit Spirit Halloween, but unfortunately Dawson. Dawson
Speaker 1: started losing his a little bit, so, uh, we just
Speaker 1: had to go to home depot and then go home.
Speaker 1: We went to Home Deeople and hobby lobby. It was
Speaker 1: a big day. That is a big day. You guys
Speaker 1: are pretty big on the whole autumn anesthetic. I feel like, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're basic bitches, my friend. Oh, give me all the
Speaker 1: pumpkin uh cider apple, just give it to me all
Speaker 1: just pumping in, just pumping into my veins. Please, for
Speaker 1: the love of God, that's exciting, man. I'm happy for you,
Speaker 1: and bigger news for you. To the Buccaneers one last night,
Speaker 1: your favorite team. Hell yes, um, the Patriots. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Did they win or did they lose? They lost? Did
Speaker 1: they suck? It's pathetic. I'm sorry to move on from
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. I've been ready for a while. I've been
Speaker 1: mad at him for the whole Brady situation. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've Mac Jones and my fantasy team, so I want
Speaker 1: him to at least do good. But he's got to
Speaker 1: groove it back now. Apparently it's kind. But let's talk
Speaker 1: about you Dany babies. Yeah, well, you're the one who's
Speaker 1: been glad so long. Everybody's so curious, what the hell
Speaker 1: have you've been up to? Because the crazy thing about
Speaker 1: what you just did. Everybody knows that you went backpacking
Speaker 1: through Pakistan, or at least if they listen to this podcast,
Speaker 1: then you went to Everest. Crazy man climbed Everest, as
Speaker 1: you know, just another Tuesday in the Day in the
Speaker 1: life of Dean Lard. But the crazy thing for me
Speaker 1: was that you were completely off the grid. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you mean, like in terms of it wasn't on
Speaker 1: the internet? Well, you also did you have cell service?
Speaker 1: Like were you able to look if you fell and
Speaker 1: broke your leg like you did skiing? Yeah, could you
Speaker 1: call someone? Um? Well, yes and no. I guess when
Speaker 1: we first started our trek in Pakistan, Uh, we got
Speaker 1: you know, you just you got a lot of time
Speaker 1: to talk, and we got to talk into the point.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of insurance companies. I'll just
Speaker 1: go out there and say, insurance, in my opinion just
Speaker 1: generally is a bit of a scam. Well yeah, until
Speaker 1: you actually are her, and then it's like, uh, the
Speaker 1: one time that's there in lies the dilemma of course
Speaker 1: you you you don't need it. Until you do, and
Speaker 1: when you do, you wish you have it. So anyways,
Speaker 1: I was talking to the guys like the trip organizer,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, you know, that's why I
Speaker 1: make everyone get insurance travel insurance and make sure I
Speaker 1: got everyone's got Global Rescue, which is like if you
Speaker 1: ever get stuck in the mountains, global Rescue, they can
Speaker 1: come pick you up in a helicopter, like essentially for free.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh um, yeah, I never got
Speaker 1: those things because I don't really believe in insurance as
Speaker 1: just a whole institution. And he was like super pissed
Speaker 1: at me, like he was like listen, like you don't
Speaker 1: need it technically, but as like the trip leader, I'm
Speaker 1: advising you to get it, and I think that it's
Speaker 1: definitely a good idea for you to have. And so
Speaker 1: I had to get on the satellite phone. We had
Speaker 1: a satellite phone, so I could like text Kalin every
Speaker 1: couple of days and just kind of update her and
Speaker 1: tell her what was going on. Be like babem alive,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you in four days. I'll let you know.
Speaker 1: I mean literally exactly, That's exactly how it went. And
Speaker 1: so I texted Kalin and I was like, hey, um,
Speaker 1: they're really upset at me for not having insurance or
Speaker 1: global rescue. Can you just like go on and sign
Speaker 1: me up for a couple of those things real quick?
Speaker 1: So if I did fall and break my leg um,
Speaker 1: they would have sent a military helicopter to come pick
Speaker 1: me up. But I don't know if you saw my stories.
Speaker 1: There was actually an older gentleman from France who died
Speaker 1: up there just a couple of days ahead of us,
Speaker 1: and his dead body was on the glacier for like
Speaker 1: at least four days because they had to divert. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is me just guessing why it was
Speaker 1: up there for so long, because Pakistan obviously had like
Speaker 1: a lot of flooding and stuff, and so I think
Speaker 1: that they had to use a lot of the resources
Speaker 1: to help the flooding victims, and they didn't have like
Speaker 1: a helicopter to come pick up this climber who had
Speaker 1: died a couple of days, so he was ahead of us,
Speaker 1: and we had to hike up and through this part
Speaker 1: of a glacier like onto this moraine, and we walked
Speaker 1: right by his dead body. It was pretty Um, it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. It's definitely like the first time I'd ever
Speaker 1: have to experience that in the outdoors at least, so
Speaker 1: kind of what was the temperature on this glacier? Uh,
Speaker 1: it varied obviously, like at night it would probably get
Speaker 1: down warmer than you think. It got down to maybe
Speaker 1: like ten or fifteen degrees at night, and in the
Speaker 1: day it probably was up to like thirty five or
Speaker 1: forty degrees. So not not super cold, but obviously not
Speaker 1: like super warm either. You know. Well, I'm thinking logistically
Speaker 1: now about this poor man who died and whether his
Speaker 1: body was frozen, which I think would be a good thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, honestly. Yeah, No, I think the freezing helps.
Speaker 1: I think it helps preserve some things and makes like
Speaker 1: the like no rotting would sit in. It was really interesting, actually,
Speaker 1: because we had known a few days in advance that
Speaker 1: a guy had died in front of us, and but
Speaker 1: he was like miles ahead of us, like we hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten up to that point yet, and we were walking
Speaker 1: along and like we were about to get off the
Speaker 1: glacier to go towards where our campsite was going to be,
Speaker 1: and there's this big orange flag in the ground, and
Speaker 1: so we were like what's this? And so we go
Speaker 1: up to it and you're like, oh, it's a sleeping bag.
Speaker 1: Someone just left a sleeping bag here. Maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a marker for something. And then you realize that there's
Speaker 1: someone in the sleeping bag, and you realize it then
Speaker 1: that that's that's the guy. Yeah, so it was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: And and you it's funny because you asked about what
Speaker 1: would happen to me if I broke my leg up there,
Speaker 1: and I had an answer for that. And this guy
Speaker 1: from France had a guide from Pakistan that didn't speak French,
Speaker 1: so they couldn't communicate with each other. The guide didn't
Speaker 1: have a satellite phone, so these people had to like
Speaker 1: hike down to us and then use our satellite phone.
Speaker 1: And still even with all that, like you know, obviously
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario happened where he ended up passing away.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's pretty crazy to think that they
Speaker 1: would let them up there without the proper resources to
Speaker 1: save themselves if they needed it. And what did um
Speaker 1: He he was like fifty one, so he was a
Speaker 1: little on the older side. Older fifty one, that's not old.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I agree, older, maybe older than
Speaker 1: the average person that goes up there. Let's say that
Speaker 1: at the least he died from as far as we know,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the actual UH for reference for
Speaker 1: Mark our producers fifty one. So pretty much Mark Dean's
Speaker 1: calling you old or older if that makes you feel
Speaker 1: any better, Um, not necessarily that, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. For he was older than us. He was
Speaker 1: if he was in our group, he would have been
Speaker 1: the oldest person in the group. I I was assuming
Speaker 1: maybe this gentleman was in his seventies or maybe just
Speaker 1: older and really pushing himself. But holy, that's intense, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got Maybe it's a is it apoxia? I can't
Speaker 1: remember what it is, like a pulmonary edema. It's just like,
Speaker 1: because you know our average altitude up there, and and
Speaker 1: where he ended up passing away, I want to say
Speaker 1: it was like fifth teen thousand feet high. And so
Speaker 1: people just get altitude sickness really bad. And with altitude sickness, Um,
Speaker 1: if you don't descend to like a lower altitude fast
Speaker 1: enough and you just stay high, you obviously put yourself
Speaker 1: in more risk. But he couldn't get to a lower
Speaker 1: altitude fast enough. To recover, and so he was just
Speaker 1: stuck at this high altitude for too long and eventually, UM,
Speaker 1: I think he just died. That what do you die? Like?
Speaker 1: What what do you so? What causes death when you're
Speaker 1: so high up? Um, that's a good question. Let's see.
Speaker 1: I think there's like a fluid build up in either
Speaker 1: your lungs or your brain because of the pressure or
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm not really quite the medical expert
Speaker 1: for it, but I'm pretty sure it's like a fluid
Speaker 1: build up in your brain or lungs or heart or
Speaker 1: something that ultimately ends up killing you. Did every four days.
Speaker 1: On one of those four days, you're like, by the way,
Speaker 1: a gentleman passed away in front of us, and uh
Speaker 1: from being too high up all, I'll talk to you
Speaker 1: in five days when we're about another five thousand feet
Speaker 1: in the air. Yeah. No, I thought about it because
Speaker 1: like I could send her like five texts every three days,
Speaker 1: and so I was like asking some of the people
Speaker 1: we were with. I was like, do you guys think
Speaker 1: I should tell Kalin about what happened to this French
Speaker 1: climber while we were up here? And everyone unanimously agreed
Speaker 1: that it would maybe be best to wait till after
Speaker 1: to like be able to like talk to her on
Speaker 1: the phone and and and like answer questions and and
Speaker 1: be able to describe what happened in a little bit
Speaker 1: more detail, because if you just had one text message
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, some guy just died, like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of I think that's a bed BEDA need a
Speaker 1: little bit more context than that. Yeah, So so that
Speaker 1: was an interesting experience. Like I've I've seen people get
Speaker 1: hurt in the mountains, I've never obviously seen anyone die
Speaker 1: in the mountains. Um, and I didn't, like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know the guy, So I'm pretty detached from it that
Speaker 1: I saw his body and stuff, I guess, which is
Speaker 1: pretty pretty gruesome. But what else? What else? So besides that, Well,
Speaker 1: so you were you backpacked through Pakistan? Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 1: what was the purpose of backpacking through Pakistan? I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the purpose of anything, what's the purpose of having
Speaker 1: a podcast? Well, with the purpose of of climbing Mount
Speaker 1: Everest is because you're climbing the tallest mountain in the world.
Speaker 1: You're trying to get to the highest peak. So backpacking
Speaker 1: through Pakistan is it just because it's there? Is Hannah
Speaker 1: or East and said, yeah, it's there. Definitely, you're trekking
Speaker 1: through the mountains, but was there some sort of end goal?
Speaker 1: Was there places that you wanted to see? No, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. Actually, yeah. So we trucked through this
Speaker 1: mountain range called the car Acorum and it's one of
Speaker 1: the most isolated mountain ranges in the world, I guess.
Speaker 1: And so what we did was we went over this
Speaker 1: thing called the his bar Law Glacier, which is his
Speaker 1: bar Law is the second largest glacier in the world
Speaker 1: behind Antarctica, So I guess, take Antarctic out of the equation.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest glacier in the world, and it's just
Speaker 1: like a really remote, really beautiful area. We were the
Speaker 1: first team all season to cross it, actually, which is
Speaker 1: pretty We were pretty proud of ourselves, I guess for
Speaker 1: being the first team to cross. There was like maybe
Speaker 1: thirty other teams that had tried and all failed. So
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool experience. But I guess why. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just it was one of those
Speaker 1: things where, uh, it was not much information about, but
Speaker 1: like a lot of people were excited to do something
Speaker 1: out there, and uh, The nice thing about it, I
Speaker 1: guess is we weren't going super high, Like a lot
Speaker 1: of the tricks that you do in Pakistan will get
Speaker 1: you up to like seven thousand meters, which obviously could
Speaker 1: lead to altitude sickness and death and stuff. So I
Speaker 1: think the highest we got on this one was like,
Speaker 1: which is still you know, like sixteen thousand feet's pretty tall. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was just one of those things where it
Speaker 1: was like an interesting trek over a unique landscape, uh,
Speaker 1: in an experience unlike any other, I guess is kind
Speaker 1: of how it was all set up or proposition to us. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was cool. I mean, I've never done anything
Speaker 1: like it before. My biggest hike before this was like
Speaker 1: eighty kilometers in five days, and this was like a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty kilometers and thirteen days, so less per
Speaker 1: day but obviously pretty long. And we had like a
Speaker 1: huge team. There was ten of us hiking, and then
Speaker 1: we had like thirty porters, which is insane. Uh. And
Speaker 1: the porters were doing things like you know, they brought
Speaker 1: the food, they would carry like tents and supplies and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it was you know, it was
Speaker 1: quite the experience. I see you guys had your own
Speaker 1: personal assistance over here. This is you guys were like
Speaker 1: pretty much at the hill in Come on, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you have people bringing you food in tens
Speaker 1: and setting up living for you. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: this changes everything for me. They would cook us breakfast,
Speaker 1: cook us dinner every night. I mean that part was nice,
Speaker 1: Like I've never done that either. I would normally just
Speaker 1: be like I want to carry my own stuff and
Speaker 1: I want to cook my own food. But it's like
Speaker 1: up there, you like need support. You need as much
Speaker 1: support as you can have. And so there was like
Speaker 1: port there was We had like people bring chickens up,
Speaker 1: like live chickens um that eventually, you know, turned into
Speaker 1: our food. We had a goat that we brought with us,
Speaker 1: like a living goat. It was like our friend for
Speaker 1: four days, and then on the fourth day they slaughtered
Speaker 1: the goat and skinned the goat, and then they cooked
Speaker 1: the goat and we ate goat for the next like
Speaker 1: three or four or five days. Did the goat have
Speaker 1: a name? Did your friend have a name? Yeah? I was.
Speaker 1: I told Kalen the story. She thought it was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spare some of the details of this story.
Speaker 1: The goat did have a name, and one of the
Speaker 1: one of the people checking with us, asked me who
Speaker 1: my least favorite ex girlfriend was, and and I gave
Speaker 1: them a name. I'm not going to say the name,
Speaker 1: got it. And and so for the rest of the trip,
Speaker 1: everyone called the goat by the name of my ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And obviously, like every time they would serve us goat,
Speaker 1: they'd be like man Dean's ex girlfriend, you know, using
Speaker 1: her name taste really good. First of all, I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask if I can guess, but I feel like
Speaker 1: i'd get it, so I don't only want to go
Speaker 1: down that road. Secondly, uh, there's poor fucking goat. It's
Speaker 1: friends with you guys, it's hanging out, and then you're
Speaker 1: calling it by this name that nobody wants to hear.
Speaker 1: And then you kill the goat and then eat him. Well,
Speaker 1: so no one knew why we were calling the goat,
Speaker 1: why we why we were calling the goat, what we
Speaker 1: were calling it. No one knew except for me and
Speaker 1: the person that named it. And at the very end
Speaker 1: of the trip, everyone was like talking about getting tattoos
Speaker 1: for you know, just to commemorate the trip. Or whatever,
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, oh, let's get the name of
Speaker 1: the goat tattooed on us, and I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do the next. I can't get
Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend's name tattooed on my body. As as
Speaker 1: much as I love dump tattoos, I think that's maybe
Speaker 1: where I draw the line. And uh, yeah, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: No one knew that we were calling her by her
Speaker 1: name the entire time, and it was a guy. The
Speaker 1: goat was a guy too, which was whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was interesting. It was interesting to like walk with
Speaker 1: your food and then end up eating it. It's actually, uh,
Speaker 1: I had to go the first day and it made
Speaker 1: me kind of sick and so so uh someone just
Speaker 1: mentioned the name of the chat and yeah, they nailed
Speaker 1: it right on the head um and uh, I got
Speaker 1: super sick the first day. So I didn't eat meat
Speaker 1: for the next like three two or three weeks. I
Speaker 1: was vegetarian basically the entire time I was there, And uh,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the way to do it.
Speaker 1: I actually I think I want to be vege more
Speaker 1: often now because it makes me feel light. It's just
Speaker 1: it's hard to be vegetarian in America, especially like everything
Speaker 1: has meat in it and it's so delicious. Did you
Speaker 1: feel weak at all? I feel like I tried to
Speaker 1: go vegetarian, and I just felt like I had no
Speaker 1: fuel in my body. Uh No, I I felt pretty good.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I like, I mean,
Speaker 1: t M I moment, I guess I was like, it's
Speaker 1: really bad diarrhea for a few days, so that was
Speaker 1: taking it out of me. But like once my once
Speaker 1: my poop started to solidify after not eating the goat
Speaker 1: for so long, it was it turned out pretty good.
Speaker 1: Were there porter potties on this trek? What happened when
Speaker 1: you had to you know, when you had to explosive
Speaker 1: diarrhea like you did? Yeah, you just find a nice
Speaker 1: rock to sit behind and uh, bring some baby wipes
Speaker 1: with you. It's not the most ideal. They bring like
Speaker 1: a small little tent that you can use if like,
Speaker 1: so for one of the nights, we slept on this
Speaker 1: big like out on the glacier, so there's like no
Speaker 1: rocks or no trees or anything to hide behind, and
Speaker 1: so like you kind of have to have at least
Speaker 1: like a little bit of um privacy. There, so there's
Speaker 1: like a little two ft by two ft tent. But
Speaker 1: then so we were stuck in this one campsite for
Speaker 1: four days because the weather was really really bad. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you saw the flooding that was going on out there,
Speaker 1: and the tent stays in the same place for the
Speaker 1: entire time, and all you're doing is going right on
Speaker 1: top of the rocks. And so by day four you
Speaker 1: would go into the tent to do your business and
Speaker 1: you would see, uh, four days worth of forty people's
Speaker 1: you know, excrement, I guess, so it gets pretty gross
Speaker 1: in there. Uh So that's why I think near the
Speaker 1: end people were just like going and finding a nice
Speaker 1: rock to go hide behind. It got pretty grimy a
Speaker 1: little bit and was like raining every day. So every
Speaker 1: night you got to sleep, you're soaking wet. It was
Speaker 1: freezing cold, so you're like cold and wet, and then
Speaker 1: you get up in the morning like hoping for some
Speaker 1: sun and then it's like really bad weather, so then
Speaker 1: you're just cold and wet all day again. It was
Speaker 1: it was. There was some moments there that were like
Speaker 1: pretty pretty for sure, um, but and then sorry I'm
Speaker 1: rambling here, and then uh, they like send out. They
Speaker 1: set out a packing list on what's app like two
Speaker 1: months before the trip started, and I deleted my what's
Speaker 1: app because I kept getting like these like these people
Speaker 1: trying to sell me handbags on what's app and I
Speaker 1: was like, I just I don't want any notifications, and
Speaker 1: so I just handbag. I just I'm so, you're right,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with a nice handbag, but just don't
Speaker 1: message me message Klein if anything for that stuff. And
Speaker 1: so I deleted the app entirely. And so I had
Speaker 1: no like, uh, I had no like recourse with anyone
Speaker 1: from the trip. I had no way of getting in touch,
Speaker 1: and I had no idea that that's how they were
Speaker 1: staying in touch was through what'sapp and sending all these
Speaker 1: packing lists and stuff. So I just show up with
Speaker 1: my regular bag of stuff in terms of hiking supplies,
Speaker 1: because I've never done like a glacial hike before, and
Speaker 1: we get there and you know, we start hiking through
Speaker 1: like waist deep snow and for like multiple hours a day,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not prepared for this. I've
Speaker 1: got the wrong supplies. And so I had like borrow
Speaker 1: some guys hiking boots, which ultimately ended up getting soaked
Speaker 1: as well. Um, it was just it was maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: I like to call myself a minimalist. I think this
Speaker 1: is maybe the first case where being a minimalist almost
Speaker 1: almost shot shot me in the butt as bad as
Speaker 1: as bad as it could have. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: You show up, you don't have insurance, you don't have
Speaker 1: the right supplies. This is the most dean thing I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. I'm glad. I'm glad that you just went
Speaker 1: there yourself. But you know what, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what people had. These people had these
Speaker 1: big bags. What you could do is you could have
Speaker 1: an extra second bag, like one that you wouldn't wear,
Speaker 1: but you like give it to one of the porters
Speaker 1: to carry. And I'm orders, oh, well, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like they're they're getting compensated for their work, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like they're working for free. I'd love to
Speaker 1: know how much they make. I'm sure it's less than
Speaker 1: it should be, but if they weren't getting paid, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's still I think it's still above average
Speaker 1: for like a person from the area would get paid
Speaker 1: doing something else. Like they're still making better money than
Speaker 1: the other people in the area, I think I would assume. Um,
Speaker 1: And so you can give these people a second bag
Speaker 1: with like, you know, whatever you wanted to have in it,
Speaker 1: your luxuries, your uh, puffy jackets, your extra socks and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And I was like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to carry an extra bag for me. I'm
Speaker 1: going to carry it all on my bag. And so
Speaker 1: everyone was like freezing cold on this one campsite for
Speaker 1: four days while the weather was so bad, and they're
Speaker 1: like putting on their sixth layer of jackets or they're
Speaker 1: you know, they're super fuzzy socks with their big warm shoes,
Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting there, like literally wearing shorts and
Speaker 1: a jacket made for like keeping me dry, not for
Speaker 1: keeping me warm. Uh. And so there was a few
Speaker 1: moments where I was kind of regretting my decision for
Speaker 1: not having brought more, but I in the moment it sucked.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I'm really proud of myself because those guys
Speaker 1: all were, like you said, live in the dream, four seasons, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And I was, I was miserable. And so I think
Speaker 1: I get a little bit more badge of an honor
Speaker 1: for being as miserable as I was, if you will. So,
Speaker 1: I mean that was it. That was basically Pakistan. It
Speaker 1: was thirteen days, super bad weather. Uh. We were the
Speaker 1: first team, like I said, to cross over the past,
Speaker 1: which was really exciting. And yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a good experience. Pakistan, like itself, is an interesting country
Speaker 1: because they're super Uh they're Muslim out there, so there's
Speaker 1: like no booze. They don't really party in the streets
Speaker 1: like in this place called scar Do that we went.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a single woman or a single child
Speaker 1: in the streets for like the three days we were there.
Speaker 1: It's all then, it's just it's it's quite a culture shock.
Speaker 1: Like I thought India was a culture shock, and I
Speaker 1: think Pakistan is even more of a shock than India
Speaker 1: was because it's just even a little bit further removed
Speaker 1: from our life than we're used to. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. So you went on this trip, what do
Speaker 1: you think? I guess My question is I understand, of course,
Speaker 1: why you do these things. There's so many times where
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of want to just get away,
Speaker 1: But like, so you did this trip, what do you
Speaker 1: think you got out of it? You know, what do
Speaker 1: you I'm like, we talked about like I understand certain
Speaker 1: things like Everest, You're like, I'm going to climb the
Speaker 1: tallest mountain in the world. But like, you go through
Speaker 1: these backpacking adventures and you do these things, and like
Speaker 1: and you said that you look back and you're proud
Speaker 1: of yourself, as you will should be, because holy it's
Speaker 1: quite an accomplishment. Plus, you guys are the first one
Speaker 1: first team to cross the across the what the past
Speaker 1: the threshold, first team to do that in the middle
Speaker 1: of the worst flooding Pakistan has seen in a very
Speaker 1: long time, So that's quite impressive. But so like, spiritually emotionally,
Speaker 1: what do you think you got out of this? Um?
Speaker 1: I think with this trip specifically, this trip specifically. I
Speaker 1: remember it was like day five or something and we
Speaker 1: were like sixty kilometers in and I was just thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, Uh, I was like, man, I feel good.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could keep going. I feel like
Speaker 1: I could go for I could. I felt like I
Speaker 1: could go as long as I possibly needed to. If
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, it turns out we actually have
Speaker 1: to walk another five hundred miles, I would I feel
Speaker 1: like I would have been like, great, let's do it,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I can do absolutely anything right now.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these trips, and this type
Speaker 1: of trip specifically, is one of those things where once
Speaker 1: you like look back and see what you've done, because like,
Speaker 1: day by day it doesn't feel like you're doing a
Speaker 1: whole lot. You're going like maybe ten miles and getting
Speaker 1: like five in altitude doesn't feel like a whole lot.
Speaker 1: But then you look back on the culmination of what
Speaker 1: you have done and you're like, Wow, we just did
Speaker 1: a whole bun. And So I think what a trip
Speaker 1: like this does for someone like me, I guess is
Speaker 1: reminds me or shows me. I guess that I can
Speaker 1: I feel like I can kind of just do I
Speaker 1: can kind of just do anything. I guess maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it is. I don't know that sounds like kind
Speaker 1: of conceited, but there were so many times where I
Speaker 1: like literally was like I feel like I can just
Speaker 1: do anything in the world. I feel like I'm unstoppable.
Speaker 1: And then even like going to every space camp afterwards too,
Speaker 1: I like got done with every space Camp and I
Speaker 1: had just walked, you know, eighty miles over the course
Speaker 1: of five days, and I was like, I literally texted
Speaker 1: my brother. I was like, I could feel like I
Speaker 1: could just turn around and go back up there and
Speaker 1: do it again if I wanted to. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like trips like this it just gives you
Speaker 1: a bunch of confidence and makes you feel really good
Speaker 1: about your survivability, I guess, especially if you have a
Speaker 1: bunch of reporters helping you out and carrying some stuff
Speaker 1: for you. Um. Obviously, yeah, that part was that part
Speaker 1: I didn't like very much. And I it was like
Speaker 1: my second time doing it. I also did it on
Speaker 1: the Inca Trail. But it just doesn't feel as natural
Speaker 1: as it should in my opinion. You know, like if
Speaker 1: you go out into the woods to go climb something
Speaker 1: or go truck through something, I feel like you should
Speaker 1: be responsible for yourself. You shouldn't really rely on someone
Speaker 1: else to be responsible for any of your own comforts,
Speaker 1: creature comforts or whatever. Uh. And the porter's gonna take
Speaker 1: you out of that a little bit. But there was
Speaker 1: this we had like one shirt but with us a guide.
Speaker 1: His name was Sue Hale. He was the man uh
Speaker 1: crossing a lot of the glacier was really dangerous because
Speaker 1: there's crevasses everywhere. So like we all had a rope
Speaker 1: up to each other. So we're all tied together with
Speaker 1: like five five what's crevasses. A crevass is like I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've seen the movie like Into the Void or
Speaker 1: something like that. A crevass is like a huge, uh
Speaker 1: like crevice in the Yeah, huge gap. And that glacier
Speaker 1: uh in Pakistan is up to a mile deep at
Speaker 1: some points. So I imagine you just walked along and
Speaker 1: you fall into this crevasse that's a mile deep, You're
Speaker 1: obviously gonna be gone forever for the christ. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: we had to tie together and like walk through these
Speaker 1: like crevass fields every you know, ten steps or so,
Speaker 1: you'd have to navigate a new crevasse and that would
Speaker 1: either like unentail going around it, jumping over it, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Uh. And some people felt like I fell
Speaker 1: into a crevass, but thankfully we were roped together, so
Speaker 1: like I didn't fall far and then I just get
Speaker 1: pulled out. Never mind, this was the stupidest thing you've
Speaker 1: ever done in your entire life. That's insane. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the first for me. Too. Uh it was fell.
Speaker 1: Did you look down? Did you see? How can you
Speaker 1: see how far this goes? The ones that you could
Speaker 1: you would like leap over a couple of them and
Speaker 1: like look down as you leaped, and you like would
Speaker 1: not you wouldn't be able to see the bottom. It
Speaker 1: was like you're really looking into an empty void? Good
Speaker 1: could you? I mean obviously the fall would kill you,
Speaker 1: so you couldn't. You wouldn't die, you know, you can't
Speaker 1: fall a mile and fuck do you think you die
Speaker 1: on the way down? You would probably like pinball off everything,
Speaker 1: like playing Plinko on the way down. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Into the void. I'm sure you've heard of the movie
Speaker 1: at least. I think like this guy gets stuck in
Speaker 1: a crevass and there's no way for him to go up,
Speaker 1: and so the only thing for him to do is
Speaker 1: go further down. And I think you like found an
Speaker 1: exit point somewhere, which I think it's based on a
Speaker 1: real story, and if it is, it's pretty insane because
Speaker 1: it's like the it's like the ice version of twenty
Speaker 1: seven hours. You know, like you're fully committing, like all
Speaker 1: or nothing. This has to work otherwise I'm dead. I
Speaker 1: guess kind of situation. So you fell, you slipped and fell,
Speaker 1: you fell into this Yeah, well it's not like uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's not like you slip and fall and and
Speaker 1: it's probably not what you picture. It's not like you're
Speaker 1: free hanging in this crevass. So with especially with the
Speaker 1: storm system that rolled in, there was like a big
Speaker 1: fresh coat of snow over all of these big crevasses,
Speaker 1: and so instead of like seeing them and like being
Speaker 1: these huge holes in the ground, you're just basically walking
Speaker 1: along and all of a sudden you fall into the snow.
Speaker 1: The ground gives out, Yeah, exactly. Uh, and so there's
Speaker 1: still a lot of snow around you, so you would
Speaker 1: like fall and then you'd be like up to your
Speaker 1: nipples in deep snow, knowing that underneath you is a
Speaker 1: huge void. Um. But you can still kind of like
Speaker 1: use the snow around you to like keep yourself above
Speaker 1: the like I guess, like ground line. Why would you
Speaker 1: only fall to your nipples because that's because you're tied
Speaker 1: and that's how low you can go. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: like keep tension on the rope and so you like
Speaker 1: you fall slow because you like it's like quicksand and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds crazy, and it definitely was. There
Speaker 1: was like the first like because everyone fell at some point.
Speaker 1: I would say there's out of the tent of us.
Speaker 1: Everyone fell probably at least two or three times, some more,
Speaker 1: some less. Um. But by like the second or third
Speaker 1: time you fall, you're just like more annoyed at yourself
Speaker 1: than you are scared for anything, because the person above
Speaker 1: you and the person behind you are far enough away
Speaker 1: to where the rope is tight and so like I
Speaker 1: could even just almost like pick my feet up and
Speaker 1: be hanging in the air, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it's a pretty safe all things considered, unless, of course,
Speaker 1: there was like a huge break and then everyone foul.
Speaker 1: Then that would really suck. Uh. But you guys are
Speaker 1: like monkeys the game, you know, you just all go
Speaker 1: over the cliff exactly. Yeah, the monkeys in a verial
Speaker 1: great game that mnds me a toy story. The big
Speaker 1: day was I think I might have already mentioned a
Speaker 1: little bit about this, but we the day we went
Speaker 1: over the pass was the big day. Uh. It was
Speaker 1: like twelve hours we were hiking and we went over
Speaker 1: this pass and we like had to get the weather
Speaker 1: window perfectly right, because it was it was like standing
Speaker 1: inside of a ping pong ball. Essentially every direction you looked,
Speaker 1: you could see ten ft in front of your face,
Speaker 1: and then it just became like white and gray or rain.
Speaker 1: It was just like really bad, Like we were in
Speaker 1: a cloud, so like the visibility was really bad. Um
Speaker 1: and so we like had a small weather window to
Speaker 1: make it work. And so we got over the pass
Speaker 1: and then the clouds came in and we couldn't see
Speaker 1: anything for like the next eight hours. We were just
Speaker 1: like walking and it was it was the most like
Speaker 1: psychologically challenging thing I think I've ever done in my life,
Speaker 1: where you're freezing cold. My feet were soaking wet. Every
Speaker 1: step I took, I would get buried in snow up
Speaker 1: to my waist and I have like pull my foot
Speaker 1: out and then do that, you know, a million more times.
Speaker 1: And it was cold and you couldn't see anything, so
Speaker 1: it's like you don't have any reference on where you're going.
Speaker 1: You would like stop every five or ten minutes and
Speaker 1: like look at the GPS or look at your compass
Speaker 1: or something and figure it out, but there was no
Speaker 1: like there was no reference for anything. And so you're
Speaker 1: just like you're pissed and cold and scared and lost.
Speaker 1: And then eventually, like you start going down and like
Speaker 1: the weather clears a little bit and gets a little
Speaker 1: bit warmer, and like things like start getting better a
Speaker 1: little bit. But for like five or six hours, it
Speaker 1: was it felt like all hope was lost. Um. I
Speaker 1: never like felt scared or unsafe, I guess in terms
Speaker 1: of anything like that, but there it was just like
Speaker 1: psychologically it was a challenge because normally when you're hiking,
Speaker 1: you can like step on solid ground and see pretty sites,
Speaker 1: but this was not the case. So that was kind
Speaker 1: of the hard day and then everything kind of got
Speaker 1: better from there fortunately, But it was I mean, it
Speaker 1: was great experience despite all that. It sounds wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what made you want to do Everest? And that
Speaker 1: was just by a win. It was like kind of
Speaker 1: vio him I had. Uh. Yeah. So we got done
Speaker 1: with Pakistan uh and we made our flights, which is
Speaker 1: pretty uncommon. We got back to Islamabad when we were
Speaker 1: supposed to, even though we had to stay at four
Speaker 1: days at this other camp, and so before we left,
Speaker 1: I booked like an early early flight to get me
Speaker 1: to Dubai because there's no flights from Pakistan to Nepal
Speaker 1: because Pakistan has a lot of troubled relations with a
Speaker 1: lot of their neighboring countries. And so I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll just fly to Dubai and I'll figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever I've been in the mood to do, I'll just
Speaker 1: do it. And every stop base Camp is something I've
Speaker 1: always kind of wanted to do. I think this time
Speaker 1: I was gonna, Uh I was any even going like
Speaker 1: Laos or Vietnam or something like renting a motorcycle for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and just like traversing the country
Speaker 1: via motorcycle. But I guess I was just excited about
Speaker 1: the trek through Pakistan. So and like I said, I
Speaker 1: felt like I was literally unsolved. I felt like I
Speaker 1: could do anything. I felt like I could just I
Speaker 1: could do I could go anywhere and do anything. I
Speaker 1: was I don't know why I was popped up on
Speaker 1: ivy prof and I think so I was just like
Speaker 1: I was looking at the world through rose colored glasses,
Speaker 1: and uh, he was like talking to some guys who
Speaker 1: had done Everest before every space camp. Just for clarification,
Speaker 1: not actually climbing Everest, and they were all talking like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't have enough time, you won't be able to
Speaker 1: do it. Oh it's too far, you shouldn't go alone,
Speaker 1: hire a guide. And every time they said something like that,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you son of a gun. I'm
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to do this just to
Speaker 1: prove you wrong. So every space camp typically is a
Speaker 1: twelve day trek as well. You spend eight days going
Speaker 1: up and you spend four days going down. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I can do this in five days. I
Speaker 1: was like looking at the numbers and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I could just do thirteen miles a day
Speaker 1: on the way up and twenty miles a day on
Speaker 1: the way down. Like easy. I mean, it would suck,
Speaker 1: and it's not. It's a lot of work, but it's
Speaker 1: not nearly as impossible as people make it seem. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I texted Kalin and I was like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. What should I do? And
Speaker 1: she was like, well, you've been talking about every space
Speaker 1: camp a lot, so just go out and do that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, okay, cool. Sold. And then
Speaker 1: Danielle is my manager, and she she was kind of
Speaker 1: pissed at me. She's like, we've got a lot of
Speaker 1: brand deals that are gonna fall through if you don't
Speaker 1: get back by September twelve at the at the latest.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool. That kind of like
Speaker 1: gives me a hard stop, Like I have to do
Speaker 1: every space camp in six days or less because otherwise
Speaker 1: I'll lose all this money that I desperately need. And
Speaker 1: so get to get to Cough Mon Do. I feel
Speaker 1: like I have been. I haven't stopped talking like an hour.
Speaker 1: I got to get to Cough Mon Do and Nepaul uh,
Speaker 1: and it was like fine weather there, but the weather
Speaker 1: in luke Low, which is the starting point for the trek,
Speaker 1: the weather in luke Low is really bad and so
Speaker 1: they can't fly their airplanes into Lukla Airport because there
Speaker 1: was zero visibility. Again, it's like monsoon season there, or
Speaker 1: like just just after mon student season is ending, it
Speaker 1: is like now ramping up again for trekking. And so
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it sucks. I just flew all
Speaker 1: the way to Nepal and now I can't even fly
Speaker 1: to Everest to do the thing that I'm here to do. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then some guy comes up to me at the
Speaker 1: airport and he's like, hey, yeah, the airplanes don't fly,
Speaker 1: but the helicopters will fly you there. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's pretty sick. That's that's pretty sick. So they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all you need to do is pay five bucks to
Speaker 1: this guy, I'll fly in a helicopter. How are you
Speaker 1: a lot? How the hell are you alive? And he
Speaker 1: was like, we need to have it in cash, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have it. So he's like cool,
Speaker 1: following me. So I leave the airport with this random guy.
Speaker 1: I get on the back of his motorcycle and he
Speaker 1: drives me. He drives me to an a t M
Speaker 1: and I take out two fifty dollars in Napoli rupees
Speaker 1: to pay him to put me on his helicopter. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was actually kind of nice because I was
Speaker 1: going alone. I could like get one spare, so like
Speaker 1: this group of four was going and there's five seats
Speaker 1: in the helicopter and they're like, yeah, you're the you
Speaker 1: could just take the extra seat because obviously you're going alone.
Speaker 1: So it kind of helps a little bit. So I
Speaker 1: get to Nepal, I'm sorry, I get to Luca Airport
Speaker 1: and the weather sucks, uh, and it drops you off
Speaker 1: like two miles further down and like five further down.
Speaker 1: So it just like adds the trek, which was kind
Speaker 1: of she and then yeah, and then I just figured,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess the So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: explain why I was doing every space camp. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. You challenge yourself, right, and
Speaker 1: you're and you want to people are telling you can't
Speaker 1: do it. Plus it's something you always want to do,
Speaker 1: and it's challenging. I get it. That's why people travel alone.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a it's it's like a
Speaker 1: competitive nature against yourself, you know, can I do this?
Speaker 1: Can I be by myself? Can I survive? Can I
Speaker 1: reach this? Can I do this in seven days? Of course,
Speaker 1: you're always competing with your stuff. Yeah. Uh yeah, that
Speaker 1: was And it was a nice like contrast between the
Speaker 1: two trips because in Pakistan, obviously I was with the
Speaker 1: bigger group and I had a blast and I made
Speaker 1: some great friends, like like some lifelong friends that I'm
Speaker 1: excited to spend more time with. Uh. You know, we
Speaker 1: had like a bunch of foreigner foreign people from like
Speaker 1: Portugal and Turkey and Australia and Switzerland. Uh. And I
Speaker 1: love many people like that because they're always so unique
Speaker 1: and they always have so many great stories to share.
Speaker 1: And then in in Nepal, I was percent by myself.
Speaker 1: I think, I sure, I think you saw the stories.
Speaker 1: I had this dog that followed me for the first
Speaker 1: couple of days and we became good friends. Uh and
Speaker 1: so like both of them, and I saw the stories.
Speaker 1: I just want to confirm you didn't eat the dog, correct, No,
Speaker 1: I did not think a dog that, although he did
Speaker 1: kind of screw me over in the end, so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat in per se. But wait, how did the
Speaker 1: dog screw you over? Yeah? So he like latched on
Speaker 1: him at the very beginning of the track, like literally
Speaker 1: half not even half a mile in and I I
Speaker 1: had never done the treck before obviously, so I didn't
Speaker 1: really know where to go. So I was just like
Speaker 1: kind of following the dog. And there was this one
Speaker 1: point where I was supposed to turn left, and the
Speaker 1: dog made me turn right to go to this place
Speaker 1: called Chu Kong. And I get there after like ten
Speaker 1: miles and spending like a good amount of time and
Speaker 1: I find out that's where the dog lives. So the
Speaker 1: dog was like using me to like escort and back
Speaker 1: home essentially, and I was like feeding the dog the
Speaker 1: whole time. I was bringing the dog into the room
Speaker 1: with me and like letting it sleep in bed with
Speaker 1: me and stuff. I mean, he's I mean, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: He's like, Who's who's my bitch? Who's the who's the
Speaker 1: dummy there? He's singled, who's it gonna be? Who's who?
Speaker 1: There's my bitch? Yeah, he's the water boy kicker for sure. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the poll check is very different than the
Speaker 1: Pakistan one because every space cam check is like super
Speaker 1: well developed. There's like little villages you'll pass by every
Speaker 1: like five or so miles. And so I got up
Speaker 1: to this village and again it's off season, so everything's closed,
Speaker 1: and these guys were like doing construction on one of
Speaker 1: the one of the tea houses that you stay in,
Speaker 1: and I was like ordering a cup of coffee, get
Speaker 1: on the wifix. I was lost, and I was like
Speaker 1: needed to download a map. Uh, yeah, there's WiFi up there,
Speaker 1: which is pretty crazy. And while the map was downloading,
Speaker 1: it took like twenty or thirty minutes. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go walk around because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the dog in thirty minutes. And I walk around and
Speaker 1: I like see him sitting under like in the shady area,
Speaker 1: under a tree, and I go up to h. I'm like,
Speaker 1: every what are you doing. Let's go, buddy, like, let's
Speaker 1: get the heck out of here. And he, for the
Speaker 1: first time I had seen him, he was like so content.
Speaker 1: He like wasn't excited to see me. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just staying right here. And so I started like yelling.
Speaker 1: I was like, is anyone around here? Like hello, where's
Speaker 1: the owner of this building? And this lady walks out
Speaker 1: and she was like what are you doing? And I
Speaker 1: was like, is this your dog? And she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in like a week. Thanks for
Speaker 1: bringing him home to me. I was so bissed, and
Speaker 1: I was like this mother, the son of a gun
Speaker 1: made me walk It was like maybe thirty miles away
Speaker 1: from where he was just to get him home. But
Speaker 1: it was still a good experience. He and I will
Speaker 1: still be bonded for life. And actually, some of the
Speaker 1: guys I treked with in Pakistan want to go back
Speaker 1: to Nepal in the spring to climb a couple of
Speaker 1: mountains out there, and you have to pass through that
Speaker 1: town that he brought me to. So I will maybe
Speaker 1: get to see him again come springtime. Uh in Chu Kong.
Speaker 1: We'll see it. We'll see if that ends up happening.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. Every space camp was you know,
Speaker 1: I guess more of an accolade in the sense where
Speaker 1: like if I say I went to Pakistan and trucks
Speaker 1: for two weeks, people are gonna be like, okay, But
Speaker 1: if you say you went to ever space camp, like,
Speaker 1: it's obviously a lot more notable of the place. So
Speaker 1: so I guess there's like that to it. How is
Speaker 1: Kalen throughout this entire time. Yeah, she's been great. She's
Speaker 1: she's my human cheek code. I decided to start calling
Speaker 1: her she Uh it makes me feel like I've been
Speaker 1: going through life with the cheek codes activated. She's been great.
Speaker 1: She has been super supportive. She would always check in
Speaker 1: tell me how much she misses me, which, uh, it's
Speaker 1: nice to hear, I guess. At the same time, it
Speaker 1: kind of makes me feel guilty. You're like, a shoot,
Speaker 1: she misses me, I should probably get back to her. Uh,
Speaker 1: but no, she was great. She was part of the
Speaker 1: reason I decided to go to Nepal because she, like
Speaker 1: I said, she knew how much I wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: and yeah, she's supportive. I guess, which, dude, what else
Speaker 1: could you ask for? Right, Ashley won't let me go
Speaker 1: golfing for four hours? How in the hell do you
Speaker 1: get Kalen to be like, Hey, listen, I know you've
Speaker 1: been gone for fourteen days, probably almost died about three,
Speaker 1: four or five different times on your trek through Pakistan.
Speaker 1: But go to Everest, enjoy yourself. Not only that, but
Speaker 1: you not only did you do Everest, you were also
Speaker 1: planning on just going to Louse and renting a motorcycle
Speaker 1: to ride around Vietnam. Yeah. Well, goddamn sake, that's what
Speaker 1: she is. She does get upset when I played too
Speaker 1: much golf. Let's just be clear about that. It's a
Speaker 1: little a different of a situation, I guess, So you
Speaker 1: tell me. What I have to do is just tell
Speaker 1: Ashley that I'm going backpacking through Pakistan for two weeks
Speaker 1: when it's really just a boy's trip and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be playing eighteen holes every day. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, maybe because the president was
Speaker 1: set like, hey, I'm gonna be gone for four weeks.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, she was doing her own things.
Speaker 1: She was going to New York with their friends, punk springs,
Speaker 1: their friends, weddings, etcetera, etcetera. Say she was being a
Speaker 1: little socialized herself. Um, but yeah, no, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it's great to have her support with everything. I don't
Speaker 1: think I can do this very often. I think it
Speaker 1: is kind of like maybe a once a year sort
Speaker 1: of thing. Uh. But I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that I most like. I remember when we were doing
Speaker 1: this podcast like three or four years ago, and I
Speaker 1: remember you asking me the question like, why am I
Speaker 1: so averse to being in a relationship, And I think
Speaker 1: one of my answers at the time was, well, I
Speaker 1: like having the ability to like pick up and go
Speaker 1: take off for a month and go, you know, either
Speaker 1: chasing my dreams or fulfill a life long goal of mine.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if I was in a relationship,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to do that, and so it's
Speaker 1: nice to have a partner in my life that allows
Speaker 1: me to do that kind of stuff. To be fulfilled
Speaker 1: in that. Not many people would be, man, not many
Speaker 1: people would be at all. So it's pretty awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But at the same time too, if it were flipped around,
Speaker 1: if she was like, I gotta go to this place
Speaker 1: and do this thing, I'd be like I would I mean,
Speaker 1: I would hope I would be. I think I would be.
Speaker 1: I would be super supportive of it too. I think
Speaker 1: any partner, uh would that would like withhold you from
Speaker 1: doing something you really want to do is not necessarily
Speaker 1: the person that you want to be with. Aside from like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like maybe golfing with your buddies for six hours and
Speaker 1: getting drunk isn't the best thing to be being supported on.
Speaker 1: You know, Like I can see why Caitlin or actually
Speaker 1: would get upset about that, but you know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: just need a break. Okay, Um, last question before we
Speaker 1: move on, because man, this flew by. We only have
Speaker 1: like ten minutes left. Um, because you talked about weddings
Speaker 1: and Caylen went to Wells and Centers, so you miss
Speaker 1: Wells and Sarah's wedding. Yeah, Wells is pretty bummed at
Speaker 1: me for that, and I'm obviously super bummed to have
Speaker 1: missed it. As well. It was so annoying, Like, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I get it. You you play on your wedding date
Speaker 1: pretty far in advance, but Wells didn't send out his
Speaker 1: invitations until like a month before the wedding, and so well,
Speaker 1: and to make it even worse, I had to miss
Speaker 1: wells bachelor party because my brother was getting married that weekend.
Speaker 1: So you know, I love my brother. I couldn't miss
Speaker 1: his wedding, and so I missed well as his bachelor party.
Speaker 1: He sends the invites to his wedding like a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, and I was like, well, I literally
Speaker 1: leave for Pakistan like three days before your wedding. What
Speaker 1: the hell? I was trying so hard to get them
Speaker 1: to reschedule. Obviously that's never gonna happen. Yeah, no, I'm
Speaker 1: sure Sarah would be totally done rescheduling for you for
Speaker 1: your trek through Pakistan. Dean. I feel so guilty too.
Speaker 1: I love Wells and he I mean, it's not like
Speaker 1: he's made me feel guilty about missing the wedding or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but I still feel really bad about it.
Speaker 1: And then I was thinking too, I was like, whatever,
Speaker 1: they've got like a six person guest list. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be missed at all. This is fair, you know,
Speaker 1: all right, were you guys there? No, no Wells and
Speaker 1: well we're friends with Wells and we've met Sara a
Speaker 1: few times. She's very sweet and I'd say we're friends
Speaker 1: with Sara too, Um, but we're not super close, Like
Speaker 1: I don't I never expected an invitation with our wedding,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we didn't invite them to our wedding.
Speaker 1: It's always like they were definitely we thought about it.
Speaker 1: We're like, do we invite Wells and Sour you know,
Speaker 1: because then it's just like always awkward because we're like
Speaker 1: we really want them. We don't think we want like
Speaker 1: I'd love to have them there. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: like it was very similar to like what happened with
Speaker 1: Vanessa here, where it was like it's like you have
Speaker 1: only a certain amount of people you can invite and
Speaker 1: like we're really friends with them, and then also I
Speaker 1: guess a few years ago. It is also different because
Speaker 1: Ashley had a little thing with Wells. Were so far
Speaker 1: removed from that now that it's it's like you even
Speaker 1: forget that that even happened. Um, that's what I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask that because they they're not excess, but they
Speaker 1: went on a date together. You know. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: they would be more weird for Ashley. But now it's
Speaker 1: like you just forget it even happened, you know. But
Speaker 1: I guess a couple of years ago it was a
Speaker 1: little different. Maybe I don't know. It's hard putting back
Speaker 1: in that place that actually makes me. I think I've
Speaker 1: thought not a lot about this, but I've had some
Speaker 1: friends get married recently to where, uh, they're like my
Speaker 1: better friends, you know, like that my best friends, but
Speaker 1: still good friends. And if like, let's say you go
Speaker 1: to a wedding and you're not a groomsman, and then
Speaker 1: let's say I get married and I like, like maybe something,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have someone as a groomsman. But then
Speaker 1: they get married and I'm not a groomsman in their wedding,
Speaker 1: and then you kind of feel weird asking them to
Speaker 1: be a groomsman in your wedding because you were in
Speaker 1: a groomsman in their wedding. You know. Yeah, it's always
Speaker 1: life is just full of awkwardness. That's all it is.
Speaker 1: Life is friends in life is like you're MySpace Top
Speaker 1: eight it's like you're constantly just overthinking things and being
Speaker 1: stressed out for no goddamn reason. It's so stressful. I like,
Speaker 1: I don't I almost don't want to get married just
Speaker 1: because I don't want to have to pick any friends
Speaker 1: to attend or be groomsman or anything, because it terrifies me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's quite terrifying. But then you you know, in the moment,
Speaker 1: it's very stressful, and then you realize it's really nobody
Speaker 1: caress and if you do care, then shut up, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, get over. I kind of care. I kind
Speaker 1: of care a little bit. No, I guess I don't care.
Speaker 1: But like when my best friends are also grooms been
Speaker 1: and I'm like looking around and I'm like, dang, I'm
Speaker 1: the only one that's not a groomsman. What did I
Speaker 1: do wrong? And then I'm like, oh, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what I did wrong. I'm an asshole. And I disappear
Speaker 1: for months at a time, and I don't talk to
Speaker 1: you tonight, I don't text anybody back. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: really am such a bad friend. When I'm like around them,
Speaker 1: I'm great, but like I just didn't. Yeah, like hard
Speaker 1: to get ahold of hard to respond so I guess
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. You know you were
Speaker 1: we were talking about you at the shop yesterday, or
Speaker 1: I was because somebody bought Lucy and Clark are our
Speaker 1: children's book, and you're one of the dog's names. You know.
Speaker 1: We had a little name tags for every friends and
Speaker 1: there's you know, Ben and Tanner and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth, and um I was going through it and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there's Ben and there's Dean. And
Speaker 1: then we were talking. They were like, oh, why are
Speaker 1: they those particular dogs? And I was like, I think,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, we all we wanted like a
Speaker 1: dog associated with like their personality, and you were like
Speaker 1: a little pug. And I was like, Dean, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure's pug because like he always on the carpet, but
Speaker 1: he's so adorable and so cute. You're like, it's okay, Dean, Damn,
Speaker 1: I'm a pug. Are pretty cute. I'll take a few.
Speaker 1: Pugs are great. They're the best. Do we even get
Speaker 1: into hot topics, like we have like five minutes to go.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I just rambled on for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm like sick of hearing myself talk.
Speaker 1: Basically it was great. No, I mean, dude, it was
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating and good god. Uh he have Dean had
Speaker 1: some stories. Yeah, you should listen to the podcast. Actually
Speaker 1: it's coming out. Well, let's let's get through some hot
Speaker 1: topics here pretty quickly. We'll we'll rapid fire these things. Um.
Speaker 1: So the first one is Emily Radakowski Radikowski. Yeah, Emily
Speaker 1: Radikowski says she's recently she's a recently single person in
Speaker 1: thinking about dating amid Sebastian Bear mcleard split. Let me
Speaker 1: just say this, Emily Radikowski, Yeah, em Rada. Why is
Speaker 1: she called em Rada? That's just like your Instagram handle,
Speaker 1: I think so that's kind of like Danny babies to you. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: recently single person in thinking about dating, Emily, if you could,
Speaker 1: you could have anybody in the world, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, there are certain people in this world
Speaker 1: that I can't take seriously when they talk about dating,
Speaker 1: because I mean, m em ra what is her nickname,
Speaker 1: em Rada? I mean, your think think about dating, just
Speaker 1: look at someone. Honestly, if she looked at me, Ashley
Speaker 1: would probably be like, you need to you need to
Speaker 1: date her, like, you need to do this for me.
Speaker 1: She cheated on, she was cheap, she got cheated on.
Speaker 1: I will say it's funny enough. I was just on
Speaker 1: TikTok and she popped up on my for you page
Speaker 1: and I was just like going through her videos. She
Speaker 1: had a baby like a year ago, and she's already
Speaker 1: back into bikini and looks exactly the same as she
Speaker 1: did before she had her baby. Well, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: she's probably can afford a personal trainer. Uh, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Not say that it makes it any easier. Trust me.
Speaker 1: That's why I actually go through it. And you know
Speaker 1: it can be really hard to lose that weight. But
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So this guy, Sebastian Bear mcleard, who the
Speaker 1: hell is this? Do we know he cheated on her?
Speaker 1: Whoa damn you? Will you ask Ashley while you have
Speaker 1: her next year? She he's like dating someone new. I
Speaker 1: think someone like Pete Davidson or something. I think dating
Speaker 1: somebody ram Roda. Uh well then how about Dean. What
Speaker 1: about Pete Davidson and her? Yeah that's cool. Let's let's
Speaker 1: start shipping this right now. Pete Davidson and em Rata.
Speaker 1: It was someone it was some noteworthy guy dating her,
Speaker 1: and I was because I was confused to Oh, it's
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt, that's who it was. Shut the hell up.
Speaker 1: You're telling me that Brad Pitt is possibly dating this girl. Yes,
Speaker 1: well that's the that's the rumor. At least, like Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt was going through a renaissance. I mean, he's always
Speaker 1: been Brad Pitt, but like, holy this year, it's been
Speaker 1: like Brad Pitt Central. Yeah. I think he like slid
Speaker 1: into her d MS or something. I have no idea how.
Speaker 1: I like, I heard this in Pakistan from like a
Speaker 1: Pakistan porter. He was like, yeah, did you hear about
Speaker 1: em brod a Brad pit How the hell did you
Speaker 1: hear about this in Pakistan? It's global news, man, it's
Speaker 1: big news. They love em Rodo out there on acting
Speaker 1: these Emily Radikowski and Brad I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: Radikowski Radikowski, dude, I mean, listen, you're obviously way harder
Speaker 1: than her. Ashley, You're way hotter than her. I'm not Mike,
Speaker 1: you do Look, I mean there's a similarity. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not joking. There is a similarity. But she is um,
Speaker 1: she's good looking. She's she's very good looking. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: she's pretty good looking. The blurred lines are haven't thick?
Speaker 1: Video really said her over the over the edge for
Speaker 1: for most men, I think this is the guy bear
Speaker 1: this guy she didn't. This guy sucks anyway. So, according
Speaker 1: to the source, Brad Pitt wasted no time after he
Speaker 1: found out that she possibly split with her husband, that
Speaker 1: she did split with her husband. He asked her out
Speaker 1: and she said, yes, she always thought Brad was cute. Dah,
Speaker 1: always like these people. I always thought Brad Pitt was cute. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always thought the sky was blue too, you know.
Speaker 1: I always thought, well, I always thought water was wet.
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, like wire was wet. Good God,
Speaker 1: so I really need so. Apparently, a rep for Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt has denied all claims of romantic involvement. Uh and
Speaker 1: there's really no evidence. I where did this rumor even
Speaker 1: come from. I've been googling this whole time. I don't
Speaker 1: see anything. I agree. Brad Pitt's like the most recognizable
Speaker 1: person in the world, and Emeralda is also pretty pretty recognizable.
Speaker 1: So it happening maybe, But um uh, yeah, what's this
Speaker 1: next one? What's this next one we got. We have
Speaker 1: an only fans model saying that only fans has ruined
Speaker 1: her dating life once again, water wet water. What what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Let's say Ashley Man, it's
Speaker 1: so hard because she's the mother, you're a child. Let's
Speaker 1: say actually started on these fans. How would you feel
Speaker 1: about that? Well, I mean I wouldn't want Ashley to
Speaker 1: starting only fans. Really depends on how much money we
Speaker 1: were making off this thing, but of course it's oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we we came up with a number of what are porn?
Speaker 1: Are our sex tape would have to be? Yet I
Speaker 1: gotta know this is this took the best possible turn.
Speaker 1: What did we what do we ten million with the
Speaker 1: approval of our parents? You can't get your parents approval today.
Speaker 1: We can talk to him and be like, listen, listen, mom, dad,
Speaker 1: oh please. If I went to my parents and I said, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm being offered ten million dollars to have a leaked
Speaker 1: sex tape, my my own mother would be like, you
Speaker 1: have to do this. This is life changing money. Do
Speaker 1: you know all hard your father and I have worked
Speaker 1: to have this moment be be presented to you. Please
Speaker 1: please bring this up to Ashley. I remember Kim Kardashian
Speaker 1: once saying that she's getting scared when her kids get
Speaker 1: old enough to google her having a sex it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I listen. I know it's not ideal for Dawson. But
Speaker 1: also I'm looking at Dawson right now and Buddy like
Speaker 1: you're do you do you know how many toys this
Speaker 1: will bring to you? Do you your college tuition done
Speaker 1: paid for? Buddy? Yeah, he'd have his candy, he'd have
Speaker 1: a castle outside the backyard. So your number is ten million? Huh,
Speaker 1: Well that's what we said. Honestly, if somebody came up
Speaker 1: to us. First of all, nobody would come up to
Speaker 1: us US ten million dollars. What would your number be?
Speaker 1: I bet you by the end of this week you'll
Speaker 1: have an offer for not ten million, but you'll have
Speaker 1: an offer somewhere. Well, dude, if I'll let you know,
Speaker 1: if you see my hairy ass on the internet, you
Speaker 1: know we got paid ten mill um. What would my
Speaker 1: number be? I bet you my number is around the
Speaker 1: same as yours. I think maybe a little higher. Uh maybe,
Speaker 1: just you know, supplying demand kind of scarcity, principal, drive
Speaker 1: up the price as best I can I think Kitlin
Speaker 1: would wouldn't do it for a million dollars. I think
Speaker 1: she would say, no, it's basically any price you're talent.
Speaker 1: There was a hundred million dollars. Yeah. Do you want
Speaker 1: me to get her down here and ask? Yeah, just
Speaker 1: ask her. I'm just gonna call her on the phone.
Speaker 1: I'll put on speaker hundreds. Hey, I have a quick
Speaker 1: question for you. Should I come down No? No, No,
Speaker 1: we can just do it over the phone here. Um,
Speaker 1: if we were to make a sex how much money
Speaker 1: would it cost for us to get a sex tape
Speaker 1: leaked of us? Right? I said you wouldn't do it
Speaker 1: for less than a hundred hundred million is what I meant.
Speaker 1: Hundred million, all right, all right, so she would do it.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised fifty million. I would say yes, for fifty million,
Speaker 1: there's no question. It's just it's a little I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it's it's obviously it poured us. So it kind
Speaker 1: of comes to the territory. I just kinda feel icky
Speaker 1: and vulnerable and like exposed. Well, yeah, I'm only doing
Speaker 1: it for the money. I'm not enjoying this. Yeah, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know half of it's gone, so we really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to be twenty million dollar offer and then
Speaker 1: half gone. All right, let me ask you this, Uh
Speaker 1: what do you do for twenty million dollars? But you
Speaker 1: wouldn't get to keep any of the money. It would
Speaker 1: all go to, uh your favorite charity? Oh come on, Dean,
Speaker 1: he's now he's saying, he's asking me that would I
Speaker 1: do it for twenty million dollars to charity? Actually goes No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fair. I probably wouldn't do it either. Listen, it
Speaker 1: is like, oh god, but think of the kids, Think
Speaker 1: of the kids. Twenty million dollars to Hasburro. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We gotta think about this. I probably would do it
Speaker 1: for twenty million dollars. All right. Anyways, that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for this week's episode. I am sorry for rambling
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. I'm so sorry for my absence for
Speaker 1: the past three weeks at big thank you to Jared
Speaker 1: for covering my dead weight while I've been gone. I
Speaker 1: owe you three week vacation at this point. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll take next week off. Who knows. Yeah, take
Speaker 1: as much time as you need, buddy. Yeah, And I'll
Speaker 1: go back to hobby lobby, yeah, and home depot afterwards
Speaker 1: to uh and you to the listeners too. Sorry for
Speaker 1: not getting this episode up on Sunday. We are a
Speaker 1: day late, maybe two days late, depending on how bad
Speaker 1: Easton wants to work tonight. But again, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your patience and understanding and letting me take
Speaker 1: three weeks off. I really appreciate it. But we are
Speaker 1: gonna be back on Thursday with some great callers to
Speaker 1: stick tune, stay tuned for that. In the meantime, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll suck a little bit less. Is that how I
Speaker 1: end these things? Yes, be sure tune in next week,
Speaker 1: or maybe we suck just a little bit less. Thank
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