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Speaker 1: And welcome to Monday's This is a Big Blue Kick

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Speaker 1: Off Live here on Giants dot Com. Hopefully everybody had

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Speaker 1: a very relaxable July fourth weekend. Good to have you

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Speaker 1: back on board, as we are with you for the

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Speaker 1: remainder of the week, with the exception of Fridays, will

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Speaker 1: continue to preview the upcoming opponents for the Giants in

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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen alongside Paul De Tino. I'm Lance Meadow

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com and Big Blue kick Off

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Speaker 1: Live is presented by Coors Light. As ois, we are

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Speaker 1: going to hit on a variety of topics over the

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Speaker 1: course of the next sixty minutes, but we want to

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Speaker 1: start with just sort of resetting what to expect in

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Speaker 1: the upcoming month now that we are regrouping after our

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Speaker 1: initial break and the Giants are going to be kicking

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Speaker 1: off training camp believe it or not, before you know it.

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Speaker 1: All players are gonna report on Wednesday, July four July.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me. First practice is gonna be Thursday July and

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Speaker 1: then they will eventually break camp on Saturday, August seventeenth.

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Speaker 1: But from the fans perspective, Paul tomorrow, they will have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to claim tickets to attend a variety of

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Speaker 1: open sessions to the public here at the Giants training facilities,

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Speaker 1: so that at least will get started. And the first

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Speaker 1: session is going to be on Thursday July, that is correct.

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Speaker 1: Now the tickets are free, okay, So if you go

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Speaker 1: to giants dot com tomorrow, there'll be all kinds of

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Speaker 1: details and information as to the specific dates and the

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Speaker 1: times of the actual practices that the public can see.

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Speaker 1: Those those schedules have actually already been put on Giants

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Speaker 1: uncomfer about a week or so. But more details about

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Speaker 1: how you can register for tickets. They do recommend that

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Speaker 1: you do so because even though a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who will acquire tickets do the website, uh, they don't

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Speaker 1: always get there. You know, they may have tickets for

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Speaker 1: a certain practice and they don't always make it. So

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Speaker 1: as far as I know, and Dave, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you can confirm this for me, I don't think

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Speaker 1: every single practice is quote sold out. I think what

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Speaker 1: happens a lot of times is people don't make it

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Speaker 1: and there are walk up people who are eligible to

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Speaker 1: come in because if they've got room in the bleachers.

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Speaker 1: Because all of those people have not shown. Uh, walk

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Speaker 1: up people are certainly allowed to fill in because they

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Speaker 1: want to give everybody an opportunity to see it. And

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Speaker 1: if you've made the attempt to come out here, if

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Speaker 1: there's room, they're gonna get you in. And so let's

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Speaker 1: make that very clear. You know, it's best to register

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Speaker 1: for tickets on giants dot com. Okay, again, they are

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Speaker 1: free and the registration starts tomorrow. You can also, I believe,

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Speaker 1: go through the Giants app. I think also to get

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Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be persistent about it,

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Speaker 1: um I would just say, if that's the only day

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether you did claim tickets, you always need

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Speaker 1: to monitor the weather each and every day because if

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Speaker 1: the weather is not good, they are going to move

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Speaker 1: practice indoors. And usually the Giants are good at letting

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Speaker 1: But first thing, before you head over to the facility,

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Speaker 1: is going to be like for the remainder of the day. So,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Thursday July five PM practice, that is

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Speaker 1: And when you're talking about training camp, you've got ninety

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Speaker 1: almost half of the guys who are at those practices

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Speaker 1: so what what exactly are you giving up? What are

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Speaker 1: to figure that? I have not had detailed conversation about

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head, Paul, if you were

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Speaker 1: And I know what you're gonna say, Well, if most

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Speaker 1: I think more and more teams are saying, why should

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Speaker 1: The second factor that I think is important to note,

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Speaker 1: obvious reason and rationale as to why maybe other teams

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Speaker 1: them see it when they, quite frankly, are the most interesting,

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Speaker 1: one I'd want to go to. Well, I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: because you see more activity, you see a different team

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Speaker 1: Now I got out there for the game. I did

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Speaker 1: gonna say. You laid out, Paul, the ideal situation. I

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Speaker 1: That's what really to me the key is. And fortunately

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Speaker 1: for Giants fans, the Giants don't necessarily have those issues,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they're gonna have double digit practices which

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Speaker 1: And you know you're inching closer to training camp when

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Speaker 1: become such an afterthought. And I'm viewing him and once again,

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Speaker 1: this is my perspective. I'm not saying that everybody's in

433
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Speaker 1: a reman and and maybe the people that you've interacted

434
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Speaker 1: are not dismissing in Paul. From my lens, I feel

435
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: he's becoming somewhat of a sleeper player entering this season,

436
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Speaker 1: and it's possible that on the shows you've done, he's

437
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: become less of a topic and maybe that's why you

438
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Speaker 1: feel that. That's exactly why I feel that way. Okay, yeah, so,

439
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: but the good news is we just threw out three

440
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Speaker 1: players at three different positions, which is why I think

441
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: there's a number of candidates on this team that fit

442
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Speaker 1: the bill of sleeper based on what we've seen in

443
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Speaker 1: the spring. If you want to identify sleeper as a

444
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Speaker 1: guy who's a wheel long shot to make the roster,

445
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: but suddenly maybe on the fifty three, now that's a

446
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: different criteria, correct if you want to go that way.

447
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: All right, so let's go that way. Benny Fowler has

448
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: had a really good off season, and I think he's

449
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys he's got a jump to

450
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: make the fifty three at the wide receiver spot. But

451
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: I can't deny the fact that he has caught everything

452
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Speaker 1: thrown his way during the course of the all season

453
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Speaker 1: program and has shown well, and the Giants certainly could

454
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Speaker 1: use a size able wide receiver. Yeah, I think that's

455
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: a good one. I'll actually I'll throw out another wide

456
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Speaker 1: receiver if you're gonna go that route. And this is

457
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: not necessarily because of production so much during the all

458
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Speaker 1: season program, as you mentioned with Benny Fowler, but the

459
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: fact that he's an experienced guy and he was with

460
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: the team last year and unfortunately they found a mass

461
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: in his mouth and he had to have it room.

462
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Speaker 1: Britain Golden, you know, we've barely talked about him, Paul,

463
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Speaker 1: even on this program. Brittan Golden has been with a

464
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Speaker 1: few NFL teams. Once again, a long shot, because you're right,

465
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Speaker 1: he'd have to jump over the hurdle of a number

466
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Speaker 1: of other receivers. But to me, I think Golden is

467
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Speaker 1: in that Benny Fowler category where you have a veteran

468
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Speaker 1: who has been with a number of teams. As I mentioned,

469
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Speaker 1: it's not as if this is his first rodeo. Okay,

470
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Speaker 1: hopefully fully healthy, can he now become a guy that

471
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Speaker 1: breaks out. I'll throw out another guy if you want

472
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Speaker 1: to go the route of real long shot. He got

473
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Speaker 1: a lot of hype because of his version due to

474
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Speaker 1: Eric Dungee. Okay, right, Dungee to me is a player

475
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Speaker 1: that could be a sleeper. Do they look at him

476
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Speaker 1: as somebody that could be on the quarterback depth chart

477
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Speaker 1: or do they look at him as a potential tight

478
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Speaker 1: end sort of like a Taysom Hill in New Orleans.

479
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: He would be somebody too that fits the lead the

480
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Speaker 1: latest criteria that you just threw out there, see you

481
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Speaker 1: and I and I can't put c J. Conrad in

482
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Speaker 1: that in that category because I've been touting him now

483
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: for two months, so you've been you've been on the bandwagon.

484
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Speaker 1: I'm a big c J. Conrad fan, and I think

485
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Speaker 1: I think he's got a better than fifty shot. He is.

486
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Speaker 1: He is my sleeper pick of all the undrafted rookie

487
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Speaker 1: free agents to make the fifty three. The Kentucky tight end,

488
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: and just I like everything I see about him and

489
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Speaker 1: another guy, the bull never hits the ground when it

490
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: comes his way, he's grabbing it and and very very impressive. Again,

491
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: we got to see these guys and pads, We've got

492
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Speaker 1: to see them under contact situations. But if you go

493
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Speaker 1: back and you look at his tape a Kentucky. He's

494
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Speaker 1: a physical player, and he's a workhorse, and he's a

495
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Speaker 1: blue collar kind of guy. To me, you can never

496
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Speaker 1: have enough of those kind of guys. I mean, you

497
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: certainly need your fancy skill position fellas, and your your

498
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: headline grabbing fellas and your highlight creation kind of guys.

499
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Speaker 1: I get all of that. You certainly need some of

500
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Speaker 1: them on your team. But my goodness, a guy who's

501
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna just you know, put out the blood, sweat and

502
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: tears for you on every play. That's the kind of

503
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Speaker 1: guy he is. I like those kinds of guys well,

504
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Speaker 1: and we've brought this up multiple times on this program, Paul.

505
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Speaker 1: The Giants have had a good track record of holding

506
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Speaker 1: on to a number of undrafted players, so you know,

507
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Speaker 1: when you bring up players that fit that bill once again,

508
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a long shot. If he performs

509
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Speaker 1: consistently and maybe jumps off the page, jumps off the

510
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Speaker 1: field in terms of his production, then you know, some

511
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Speaker 1: of the veterans will have a little pressure on them.

512
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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's crazy to throw out a

513
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Speaker 1: few of these undrafted players who we certainly have mentioned

514
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Speaker 1: in this conversation about Coo perhaps is a sleeper player

515
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Speaker 1: on the roster. I want to throw out maybe one

516
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: or two more questions that will move on to some

517
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Speaker 1: other topics that we had on the agenda. There is

518
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Speaker 1: another one that I think is intriguing question, what is

519
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Speaker 1: one storyline not getting enough attention entering this season when

520
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: you think about any aspect of the team. It could

521
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: be a player, it could be a statistic, it could

522
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Speaker 1: really be anything of remember the coaching staff, you name it.

523
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Speaker 1: The Giants lack of creating turnovers. Okay, I think we

524
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Speaker 1: all rightfully so look at the Giants and say their

525
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: number one achilles right now going into training camp is

526
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Speaker 1: the lack of a proven pass rush. We we've all

527
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Speaker 1: agreed on that one. I think the number two things

528
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Speaker 1: that we've all pretty much agreed is that there's a

529
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Speaker 1: lot of youth in the back seven of the defense,

530
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Speaker 1: and they're going to make their share of mistakes, and

531
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Speaker 1: we don't know how fatal those mistakes will be. I

532
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Speaker 1: think we all pretty much agree that that's a significant

533
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Speaker 1: topic as well. But but the one thing about this

534
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Speaker 1: defense that I know I certainly haven't talked very much

535
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Speaker 1: about because it's a wild card and you can't necessarily

536
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Speaker 1: plan for them. Flukey sat, Okay, how many turnovers is

537
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Speaker 1: this defense going to create? Because we all know that

538
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: turnovers are such a big part of the game, and

539
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Speaker 1: they are so flukey. Well, I brought up the numbers

540
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Speaker 1: from last season. Considering you just brought up this subject,

541
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Speaker 1: that twenty one takeaways last season, Paul, that put them

542
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Speaker 1: fifteen most in the NFL. And it's an acceptable number, absolutely,

543
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Speaker 1: And and here let's take a step further. Their turnover

544
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Speaker 1: differential was plus two. You'll take that in a heartbeat.

545
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Speaker 1: Tied in the NFL. But plus two is an extremely

546
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Speaker 1: respectable number. Okay, but with a young defense that will

547
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Speaker 1: make its share of my steakes, and you know some

548
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: of them are going to hurt not all of them necessarily,

549
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Speaker 1: but some of the mistakes that this defense will make

550
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: are going to hurt this team. All right, how do

551
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: you overcome them? Well, one of the ways you can

552
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: overcome them is with a terrific offense that can put

553
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Speaker 1: up enough points that it can camouflage those mistakes. The

554
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: other way is, if you give up a forty yard

555
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: bomb on a busted coverage, will you force a fumble

556
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: or get a pick on the next snap to make

557
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: up for it. Yeah, those are saviors now. Just to

558
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: put things in perspective, two thousand seventeen, and usually we've

559
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: seen numbers fluctuate, the Giants are actually close. The last

560
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: two seasons, Paul, two thousand seventeen, they had nineteen takeaways,

561
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Speaker 1: and I said the number went up to twenty one.

562
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Speaker 1: So that's two straight seasons where the Giants have been

563
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: right around that same barometer. And normally we don't see that,

564
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Speaker 1: you know, Paul, We've seen seasons where one year the

565
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Speaker 1: Giants a lot thirty takeaways, and then the following year

566
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Speaker 1: it will dip to twenty one. I mean, that's a

567
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Speaker 1: sizeable differ. Last two years, they've been right in the

568
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Speaker 1: thick of things. You know. The problem with this and

569
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Speaker 1: and you know, Lord knows, I've been doing this a

570
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: long time. Every single season, coaches will say that they're

571
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Speaker 1: coaching ball security, and their coaching takeaways, strip the ball,

572
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Speaker 1: make sure you get the ball. Uh, they can't stress

573
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: it enough. They will tell you that all the time.

574
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Speaker 1: So then the obvious logical question is, well, if coaches

575
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: emphasize it day in and day out, year in and

576
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: year out, Why are the numbers so widespread? Why do

577
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: they fluctuate so much? And the obvious answer is because

578
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: more often than not, takeaways are flukey. That's really all

579
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: it comes down to, the easy answer. Takeaways are flukey. Now,

580
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: can you teach techniques to potentially have a better shot

581
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: at forcing a fumble? Yeah, but it doesn't mean that

582
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: those fumbles are gonna come. Can you have guys who

583
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: are better at tracking the ball in the secondary and

584
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Speaker 1: maybe getting their hands on the ball more often than not. Yeah,

585
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean he's always going to make the pick.

586
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Speaker 1: I mean, luck really does become I think the number

587
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Speaker 1: one component in turnover ratio. And I hate to say

588
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: that because we all want to believe that everything that

589
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: happens on the field is coachable or the result of

590
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: God given talent. I think that's the one item that

591
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Speaker 1: you can't you can't manufacture in a laboratory. I'm an

592
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Speaker 1: agreement with you. I've always referred to it as a

593
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Speaker 1: flukey stat. I think it brought up an interesting point.

594
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: At just a piggyback off of it, I would say,

595
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, you asked, well, if you're teaching technique, you know,

596
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: why is it that maybe the takeaways don't pile up.

597
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand, Paul. While you're teaching

598
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: your team technique to take away the football, the offense

599
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: for the opposition is being taught ways to protect the

600
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: football so that they don't call up the football. So

601
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: it goes both ways. When people are wondering, well, if

602
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: this is being emphasized in practice, why is it not

603
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: transferring over to a game, we'll remember the opposition. You

604
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: hear this from players all the time. They practice, they

605
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: study film, They're doing the same things that you're doing.

606
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: It's not a one lopsided affair when it comes to games. Now.

607
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: The only time that I can honestly tell you that

608
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: I can remember an instance where the takeaway or turnover

609
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: ratio was directly related to what the players were doing.

610
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a fluke. You remember several years ago, Um,

611
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: the Giants, Um, Oh my goodness, why am I drawing?

612
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Why am I drawing a blank? The receiver? Players the receiver,

613
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: the receiver who wind up going to Philadelphia and he

614
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: didn't stick the receiver the second? There you go, why

615
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: was I drawing a blank? On? That's why we help

616
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: each other. Unfortunately, a little bit of a forgettable time

617
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: here numbers that that were rather hollow. I might add

618
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: the one year Ruben Randall was like primarily responsible for

619
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Speaker 1: nine of Eli Manning's interceptions because he either ran the

620
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: wrong route or he deflected the ball into somebody else's hands. Now,

621
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: that's about the only time that I can honestly remember

622
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Speaker 1: that the number of turnovers was correlating to the players.

623
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to say inability to

624
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: execute on the field. That wasn't about luck. Ruben was

625
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: running the wrong route, decision, was not holding onto the ball,

626
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: and and it was falling into the opposition's midst um

627
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: that that was really bad. That's to me, that's about

628
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: the only instance. Or of course, if you've got a

629
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Speaker 1: guy with fumble light and you know, many many years ago,

630
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: early in his career, you know, so fumballas is directly

631
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: related to the ball carrier's inability to hold onto it.

632
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: That's that's again, that's a problem that does relate to

633
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: the player. And when the receiver is constantly getting all

634
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: the wrong page with his quarterback and you see the

635
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: ball being intercepted where it's obvious the wrong route was run.

636
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: Other than that, I can't. I can't correlate talent or

637
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: lack thereof to turn over. Well, the other example that

638
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: I was going to bring up, and I thought, this

639
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: is where you were going to go initially, and this

640
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: is unrelated to the Giants. Do you remember when the

641
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Bears were extremely opportunity. I'm not talking about the current Bearers,

642
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: because the current payers hold true to that as well.

643
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about when the Bears defense had Brian or Lacker,

644
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Speaker 1: Lance Briggs, Charles Peanut Tilman, and Tim Jennings problem if

645
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: you remember, that was the core, and Charles Peanut Tilman

646
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: was known for his maneuver of punching the ball out.

647
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that was his true identity and he was

648
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: probably more successful in pulling off that maneuver than any

649
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: other player that has tried to mimic him combined. Since so,

650
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: I think of those Bear seasons, Jennings and Charles Pena

651
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: Tilman were so good in their secondary of knocking away

652
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: the ball after a opposing wide receiver got to catch

653
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: that that to me was a little bit more than

654
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: luck because that was their preaching technique. They're executing technique

655
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: and they are doing it on a consistent basis, especially

656
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: if the opposition does not protect the ball. So that's

657
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: one that also popped into my head. And well, he's

658
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: another good example. He was an extremely st you know,

659
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: but again, the strip sacked. To be perfectly honest with you,

660
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: and I know that every head coach will blame his

661
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: quarterback for strip sacked. They'll say, hey, two hands on

662
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the ball. You've gotta protect it. You've gotta feel the pressure.

663
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: Make sure you just snug with that football so it

664
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: doesn't get out. Make sure you get that second hand

665
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: on the ball if you feel the heat coming. I

666
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: get that. But you know what, Lance, when that pressure

667
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: is coming from the blind side and the quarterback doesn't

668
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: see it and he gets rocked with the force of

669
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: a mack truck, I have a hard time blaming the

670
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: quarterback when that ball comes free. I really do. I'm

671
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: just being realistic. I know coaches will always point to

672
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: the QB and say, he's got to do a better

673
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: job with ball security. He's got to do a better

674
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: job of holding onto it. Okay, you try getting hit

675
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: in the back with a mack truck and see if

676
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: you hold onto the ball. Of course, especially when the

677
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: football is not in a position where you're anticipating the

678
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: hit because it's coming from your blind side. So I'm

679
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: with you, and you know what, I'm kind of surprised

680
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: that conversation is not brought to the forefront more often

681
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: then you and I just talking about it right now,

682
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: because yes, it goes down as a turnover to the quarterback.

683
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: But once again, if you put any quarterback in those circumstances,

684
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: how many guys are truly going to be able to

685
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: hold onto the football? You know, you're all son and

686
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: moving back, you're in emotion to throw the football down

687
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: the field, pall, and then in a simultaneous motion you

688
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: get hit. You're supposed to now have the mindset to

689
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: drag the football back into your body, make sure that

690
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: you preserve the football, have it tight to your body,

691
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: and as you're falling to the floor, hold onto it too.

692
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people are understanding how that's about

693
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: four or five different steps that have to go perfectly

694
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: in order for you to retain possession of that. Well,

695
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: here's where I would give the coach some slack. If

696
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback gets hit in the pocket while he's still

697
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: holding the ball and isn't in motion. Now, maybe you

698
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: could argue he's got to do a better job holding

699
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: onto it or maybe getting a second hand on it

700
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: as soon as he's hit or feeling the pressure. But

701
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: once that ball gets cocked and it's coming back and

702
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: he's starting that throwing motion, well there's there's a split

703
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: second there between him starting to go into his throwing

704
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: motion when that ball could get knocked or stripped while

705
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: he's got it in one hand and he's pulling it

706
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 1: back next to his ear hole and he's getting ready

707
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: to throw it, and that ball gets gets whacked and

708
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: it comes out, Well, what is he supposed to do?

709
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Of course, how in the world is he gonna hold

710
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: all of that ball? Now? That's that's a force ball.

711
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: It's a strip sack, and and I cannot playing the

712
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: quarterback for that. I'm with you. Before we move on,

713
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw out my storyline that I

714
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: feel is being somewhat overlooked compared to what you threw

715
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: out in terms of the potential for takeaways. I think

716
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: special teams and I'm gonna leave it generic, but I'm

717
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: specifically going to hone in on the return game. Paul.

718
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's enough conversation about number one,

719
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: how far this team came last season, Paul, in terms

720
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: of the improvement of kickoff return, that to me was

721
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: a significant stride. If people talk about Uldric Rosas and

722
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl campaign he had, and that's fine, but

723
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: what about how the Giants have struggled. You gotta go

724
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: back to like Dominic Hixon untill they since they've had

725
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: a consistent return game where you feel there's some threat Paul,

726
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: that they're going to move the football and position where

727
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: the Giants don't have to put together a ninety yard drive.

728
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: I thought that was a significant storyline last year. And

729
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the fact that now there's multiple options, there's a lot

730
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: of competition in camp to see who's going to assume

731
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: that role. Yes, Jabril Peppers is the front runner and

732
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 1: deservedly so, but we've observed practices. Corey Coleman, Golden Tate,

733
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer, Russell Shepard, Benny Fowler, Britain Golden all have

734
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: NFL experience as return men. And let's not also forget

735
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: rookie Darius Slated. So I named you right there. Nearly

736
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: ten guys that are bringing experience are getting reps in

737
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: the kickoff return game slash punt return game. That to

738
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: me is something to monitor throughout training camp and into

739
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: the season. Can they maintain the improvement that they showcased

740
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: over the course of last season. They were seventh in

741
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: the NFL last year in average yards per kickoff return

742
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: twenty four point four yards per kickoff return. That was

743
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: tied for seventh in the NFL. You know where they

744
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: weren't two thousands seventeen the previous year. They were ranked

745
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: twenty eight in the NFL nineteen point six yards per

746
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: turn and that means they moved paul from to tied

747
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: for seventh. I mean that is a significant improvement that

748
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: I don't think many people were even talking about at all.

749
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Even throughout the course of last season. They were number

750
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: three overall and special teams rankings in the NFL last year,

751
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: which is Eagles has mentioned many times. But that's taking

752
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: into consideration, uh a sensational year for the special teams.

753
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: There was no question they were just dynamite. Now, I'm

754
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: not so much thinking the storyline is about the return

755
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: game because I think there were so many options. I

756
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: suspect that whoever it is that they used, they're going

757
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: to be Okay, I'm gonna flip it to the other side.

758
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: How about the cover junits. Consider this last year the

759
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: Giants second and third and fourth, actually they were all

760
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: tied for second in special teams tackles. May not be

761
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: on the fifty three this year. Kenny Ladler, there's certainly

762
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: a chance he doesn't make the fifty three. Carrie Win

763
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: not here on the team. He's on Cincinnati's roster right now, right,

764
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: And Nate Stupar, who may not make the fifty three.

765
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: So each of these guys had eight special teams tackles

766
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: last year. They were tied in a three way heat

767
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: behind Michael Thomas, who went to the Pro Bowl with

768
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: twelve tackles on special teams. So if you're talking about

769
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: a three way tie for second place, that's twenty four

770
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: special teams tackles. And there's a real chance that all

771
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: fifty three of those guys will not be all miss roster.

772
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot of turnover at that position. So the

773
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: question becomes for me, not about the return game, but

774
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: about the coverage game. No. I think that's a really

775
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: good point, especially when you look at the mixing and

776
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: matching of players on this roster. That you brought up

777
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: and to me, you know that also plays a role

778
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: into takeaways, which is what we were talking about earlier, Paul.

779
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: When you have a good coverage unit, you know, you're

780
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: now putting yourself in a position to be opportunistic change

781
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: field position by perhaps also taking away the football. So

782
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: those two things go hand at hand. And it's not

783
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: so much just the improvement of the return game. It's

784
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: the question of the unknown in terms of the coverage

785
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: unity preventing the big plays. And you know we've seen

786
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: over the course of the last decade in this division

787
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: when you think about the challenges that the Cowboys, the Eagles,

788
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: and the Redskins pose in the return game. I mean,

789
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: each of those teams at one point we can go

790
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: through the last decade that they've had some type of

791
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: dangerous return guy. You know, whether it be even the

792
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Cowboys last year, Tavon Austin is somebody that comes to

793
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: mind that had a big touchdown actually on offense against

794
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: the Giants. When you think about the Eagles, Darren Sprawls,

795
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson. Of course, not that I'm trying to pour

796
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Sultan to the wounds of the fan base. Well, I

797
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: had to just because I think it's related to the conversation.

798
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: We already know, thank you, And then you know, even

799
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins to a certain degree, who have had

800
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: a variety of personnel. So coverage is big and can

801
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: go a long way, especially in the league where there's

802
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: so many close games. Well, we think, okay, we believe

803
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: that the young secondary will provide some fruit on special

804
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: teams coverage. They're gonna have to, we think, But we

805
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: don't know, but we think, uh, we think that maybe

806
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Connolly, right the fifth round draft choice this year

807
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, that should be a real good spot for

808
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: him to contribute right away out of the gate. Okay,

809
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: we think, we think, okay, that maybe one of these receivers,

810
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, on the back side, we know Latimer and

811
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: Shepard have been good special teams guys, but we don't

812
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: know for sure if both of those guys are making

813
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: the team. We've at least one of them will will

814
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: both perhaps we don't know, but but these are the

815
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: kinds of guys who now have to fill those shoes,

816
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: and as I just explained to you, those are pretty

817
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: big shoes. Darius Slayton as a young wide receiver that

818
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: comes to mind that we talked about his potential in

819
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: the return game. I don't know about his coverage. I

820
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: have no idea if he can cover special teams. We're

821
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to see that during the course of camp.

822
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I'll throw out another name. You know, you brought him

823
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: up at the tight end position. A guy like C. J.

824
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: Conrad would have to be a special team's contributor. Think

825
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: his physicality would lend itself to that structure. Slayton is

826
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: a speed guy, you know. I think he could help

827
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: out and if they needed to in the in the

828
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: return game, they could help him out. But is he

829
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: going to help out in a blocking scheme. I don't

830
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: think so. That's not how he's built. And I'm not

831
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: so sure about him, as I said, going down to

832
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: cover gigs. So you know trust me. You know, Team

833
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: mac Thomas mcgegy, the special teams coordinator, is going to

834
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: have quite a turnover on his special teams. This is

835
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: not just add water and it's gonna be great special

836
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: teams like it was last year. They're gonna have to

837
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: really figure this out. No, I think that's why I

838
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: brought this up as uh sort of an underlying theme

839
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: to this season, in addition to the questions about what

840
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: the pass rush is going to become on defense, and see, now,

841
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: don't kid yourself in terms of the importance of this,

842
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: because if the Giants defense, which we'd like to believe,

843
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: is going to advance somewhere into the middle of the pack,

844
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: if you can get somewhere between that thirteen to sixteen

845
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: to seventeen range on defense, and if you're considering all

846
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: facets of the defense, and I and I think that's

847
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: a reasonable jump from where they were last year in

848
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: in the mid to high twenties. If you can get

849
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: up about ten spots twelve spots or so and get

850
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: to the middle of the pack in the NFL, that

851
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: gives you a realistic opportunity to fight for a playoff spot. Okay,

852
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: now think about this. If that's where you're going to

853
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: set your goals for this defense, well, you're gonna need

854
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: field position to help those guys out. Don't think they're

855
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: just gonna magically get there, because we don't know where

856
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: that pass rush is coming from. One of the ways

857
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: you can help that defense get to the middle of

858
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: the pack is making sure that you tilt the field correctly. Absolutely,

859
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: it's huge, and we'll think about putting them in a position, Paul,

860
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: where the opposition has to put together maybe an eight

861
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: yard drive as opposed to sixty five. I mean those

862
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: fifteen yards, you're now asking the opposition to gain a

863
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: first down and a half. And should I remind you

864
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: not that he was high on the tackle list, but

865
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: how Antonio Hamilton's was really good at downing the ball

866
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: inside the table With Russell Shepard, I think the two

867
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: of them were so good in terms of their timing

868
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: tapping football's. Yeah, those people got a big mountain to climb.

869
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: If he's gonna make it in that secondary, absolutely so.

870
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: I think you hit on something that's interesting in terms

871
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: of the coverage units and the changeover. But you know,

872
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: here's the other thing what we did just talk about

873
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of options and players who may

874
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: not have proven records in the department of coverage, but

875
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: will at least give Thomas mcgahey, the special team's coach,

876
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity to evaluate them during training camp, exposing them

877
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: into the situations to determine, Okay, hey, who if we

878
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: put in that spot moving forward, Paul, during the course

879
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: of the regular season, is going to be able to thrive.

880
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: The other thing is going back to my point about

881
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: the return game. It's good to have options because let's

882
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: go back to last season, Paul, how many different return

883
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: guys did they have to utilize And it wasn't necessarily

884
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: because of competition, it was because of injury. It was

885
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: because they were limited. So if you're Thomas mcgahey, and

886
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: he talked about this when he spoke to the media recently,

887
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: he said, I'd rather be in the position where you

888
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: give me six or seven guys, let them compete and

889
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: let's see what we got, as opposed to you telling

890
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: me we go into the season with two guys, the

891
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: first guy gets hurt and now my only option is

892
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: the guy behind him, and if he gets hurt, then

893
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to pull somebody off the street, which

894
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: the Giants had to do last season. So you know,

895
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: we're looking at this where there's questions, Paul, and I

896
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: think it's very fair, meaning there is the land of

897
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: the unknown, but at the same time there's options, and

898
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: options is good as opposed to having no options on

899
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: top of question marks. Well, I think for a while

900
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: it looked like Quadre Henderson was perfect name answer on

901
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: kickoff returns, he was solid. He did a good job.

902
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: Or even Joel Davis at a certain point too, was

903
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: another one. You know, but but what happened? You had

904
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: the injuries he had, Okay, well we don't have room

905
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: for this guy because we got to fill another spot.

906
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't even just the injuries in the in the

907
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: return game. It was injuries and other positions where you

908
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: needed to make sure you have other guys who could

909
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: take those raps. And now, oh well, this guy's expendable,

910
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, Henderson, who I

911
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: thought was more than adequate, was gone done. So I mean,

912
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: one injury after another, you know. Now, thank goodness, it

913
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: turned out the last guy on that merry go round

914
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: was Coleman because it was really good, correct, Yes, And

915
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: you know at least you're bringing him back, and not

916
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: only is he in the competition for the return game,

917
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: but also in the competition for the third wide receiver spots,

918
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: so you know, you really get multiple benefits perhaps out

919
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: of somebody like that. And that's why for Corey Coleman

920
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: and Grant Haley. Alright, let's go back to a conversation

921
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: we had earlier when we were talking about sleeper players.

922
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: Those two are players that have a great opportunity to

923
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: build off of the momentum that they showcased in the

924
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: second half of the season. Because to your point, Coleman

925
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: solidified the return position, Haley solidified the slot position. Okay,

926
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: So now can you go up against the competition that's new,

927
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: that was brought into the roster and hold off that

928
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: group and still thrive that that's going to be something

929
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: that both of those players are gonna have to deal with.

930
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: What happens if let's say Slayton and Coleman both went

931
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: us spot on the roster. Okay, now we know Coleman

932
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: and Peppers will probably fight it out as the starting

933
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: kickoff returner. If that happens, Okay, let's assume Coleman makes it.

934
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: They'll figure that out. Maybe Peppers does punts and Coleman

935
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: does kickoffs. Who knows, split it up. Okay, but if

936
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: that happens, you're not gonna have room for both Russell

937
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Shepherd and Cody Latimer in all likelihood on the wide

938
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: receiver depth chart. Why do you say that, though? I mean,

939
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: you can't imagine that perhaps they'll keep six because hold

940
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: on a second, because now if you got Sterling Shepherd

941
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: that's one, and you've got Tate that's two, and you

942
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: go with Coleman three, and you go with Slaton, Okay,

943
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: that's four. Okay, spots for two more. Now, I would

944
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: argue again, I think it's very fluid as to whether

945
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna be five or six receivers on this team.

946
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of the spots that's gonna be

947
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: fought for tooth and nail when they get down to

948
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: the fift Is it gonna be five receivers or six

949
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: receivers when I suspect they're definitely gonna want to keep

950
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: one of those extra defensive backs. Well, I'm with you

951
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: there because there's so much youth. But so where does

952
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: that come from? You know? Does it come from the

953
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: tight end spot? Does it come from the d line spot,

954
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: Does it come from the receiver spot, does it come

955
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: from the quarterback spot? I don't know. So so here's

956
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: my here's my thinking. What I'm saying to you is

957
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: you have to you can't assume they're gonna be six receivers.

958
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: I think they'd probably like to go with six receivers,

959
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense because if you're I

960
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: don't know what they can guys, if you're key special

961
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: teams guys Paul are coming from your wide receiver corps,

962
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: it makes more sense to hold on to an extra

963
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: wide out point is I don't think it's safe to

964
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: assume it will be six. I would like to see six,

965
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's safe. So if it winds

966
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: up being five, Shepard and Latimer could be fighting for

967
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: one spot. That's Russell Shepard well, I mean right now,

968
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: I would argue they would very well be competing depending

969
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: on somebody else that we didn't mention that seventh or

970
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: eighth right now, Maybe that player emerges and maybe that

971
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: player or um who I was bringing up earlier. Um

972
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: the name is Britty Golden was bringing up. So there's

973
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: another guy that you know, you can't lose sleepover. He

974
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: could certainly make a name for himself. You know, Alonzo

975
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: Russell has been with the team throughout camp, A Reggie

976
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: White Jr. Young kid out of mon Myth. I mean,

977
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: there's a few young guys on this roster that you know.

978
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that while the coaching staff we're talking about Slayden

979
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: could be somebody else. I just think that you know, again,

980
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: it's a great problem to have this coaching staff, this

981
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: general manager, Dave Gentleman, they could have a lot of

982
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: trouble as they get down to the fifty three this summer.

983
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: And that means you've got a better football team. When

984
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: you've got to worry about, gee, how are we going

985
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: to keep this many at this position? That means you've

986
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: gotten better. And and I can't stress that enough, folks,

987
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: because over the course of the summer, when you're trying

988
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: to fill out your fifty three, when you start just

989
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: giving out the last five, six, seven, eight spots on

990
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: the roster to fill out the depth chart and you're

991
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: just handing positions out to certain guys, that's a bad sign.

992
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: That means you're not that good of a football team.

993
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: You know, you're trying to find fifty three guys who

994
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: are worthy of those roster spots. No, no, no, no.

995
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Now it's like, well, we've got sixty guys we want

996
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: to keep, but we can only have fifty three. That's good,

997
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: of course, it's a good problem to have when you

998
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: have options. And I think that we at least laid

999
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: out that there's gonna be some intriguing competitions, especially when

1000
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: it comes to special teams, which is the key thing

1001
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: that you need to show that you can contribute towards

1002
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: if you are trying to grab Paul that fifth wide

1003
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: receiver spot, that's six wide receiver spot, fourth or fifth linebacker.

1004
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: If you don't contribute on special teams, good luck finding

1005
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: a new location. Here's the one caveat, and I think

1006
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: you're right of the time. The one caveat is if

1007
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: the Giants think that their core special teams guys whoever

1008
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: they identify them to be, are so good that they say, well,

1009
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: you know what, that fifth receiver or that eighth offensive

1010
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 1: lineman or that that eighth defensive lineman, they may just say,

1011
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: you know what, he doesn't necessarily have to be a

1012
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: great special teams guy, because we really think we're gonna

1013
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: use him heavier in the rotation than most people think. Now,

1014
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's got to be able to

1015
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: earn his snaps from scrimmage instead of specials. This this

1016
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: is an odd situation now because the NFL has become

1017
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: so much reliant upon sub packages and situational players. This

1018
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: is the difference from my NFL al right, from the

1019
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: olden days. I'm gonna throw back to the eighties again,

1020
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: which I always talk about the Golden Era. In those days,

1021
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: it was clear cut the guys on the back end

1022
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: of your depth chart, especially at the skill positions receiver,

1023
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: a linebacker, and defensive back. Those guys assuredly we're gonna

1024
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: have to make the back end of the roster on

1025
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: special teams. That was almost a lock. Dammit, if you're

1026
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: not playing really good on specials, you're not making that

1027
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: depth chart. It's a little different now because there's so

1028
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: much specialization that in some cases you've got a specialist

1029
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: who you need for certain packages, or you need him

1030
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: for certain types of situations where it's like, you know what,

1031
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: he's really going to earn his spot on the fifty

1032
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: three even though he's the third, you know, running back

1033
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: like a Paul Perkins, let's just say, or he's the

1034
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: fourth wide receiver. We've got spots for him that he's

1035
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: going to have to earn from scrimmage, and that's going

1036
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: to be more important than special teams for us, because

1037
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: we think that we've got other guys on specials who

1038
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: can handle that, okay, and we think that his situational

1039
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: substitution snaps are gonna be either equally or more important

1040
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: then the few snaps he might get on special teams.

1041
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 1: The pendulum, the pendulum has swung a little bit here

1042
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: lance to where that's not a given as much as

1043
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago. That's all I'm saying. Yeah,

1044
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking back. I was looking up to two

1045
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen roster as you were talking, because I remember

1046
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: there were games where Leon Hall was on the team,

1047
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: and if you remember, they were trying to determine, you

1048
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: know who that last corner that gets a jersey, Paul,

1049
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: bunch of games because he couldn't play special And that's

1050
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: why I brought that up, because that limited him. So

1051
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Yes, if you prove valuable as somebody

1052
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: that can contribute in situational football, you certainly can carve

1053
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: out a role. But at the end of the day,

1054
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: you can only dress so many guys every game. You

1055
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: gotta contribute to specialty somehow, Paul, whether they think you're

1056
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: great at it or not, they gotta use it. But see,

1057
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: that will make the determining factor in many cases or

1058
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: even most Between the fifty three and the forty seven. Absolutely,

1059
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: not necessarily not necessarily versus fifty correct, you're talking about

1060
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: correct whether when you're making that final cut from ninety

1061
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: to fifty three, the special teams quotient may not be

1062
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: as big, but on Sunday it could be even bigger.

1063
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: But the matchups that you're going to face each and

1064
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: every week can help dictate how important a particular trait

1065
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: is to that day's roster. Even Roger Lewis, as I'm

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Speaker 1: looking over that roster, was another guy at times versus

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Speaker 1: had to make that decision. But that was a Sunday

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Speaker 1: conversation as opposed to correct. Both guys made the team

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Speaker 1: even though they didn't always dress because they wanted them

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Speaker 1: So and that's the difference between making the roster versus

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Speaker 1: are you going to get a jersey on Sunday? Different conversations.

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Speaker 1: You're six guys who don't. Then you get your third quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know your quote seven scratches, your magnificent seven as

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Speaker 1: they are a nice movie reference. As we close up

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Speaker 1: shop here on Monday's edition, a Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: each and every weekday. This week, with the exception of Friday,

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Speaker 1: will focus more on previewing upcoming Giants opponents and know

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Speaker 1: today we focus more on the Giants the outlook entering

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Speaker 1: training camp, but will get back into the opponents on

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Speaker 1: future shows. This week, Big Blue Kickoff Live, as always,

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Speaker 1: is presented by cores Light for Paul Detino. I'm Lance Meadow.

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