1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Well, folks, we're going to do a classic today because 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: one of us a gave me, as you can tell, 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: has Batman voice that is somewhat under the weather. You know, Ben, 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: you pull it off. Well. It was always my least 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: favorite part of the Christian Bale Batman movies. Never really 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: was able to take him seriously with that voice. So 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: I respect your decision to to to take a beat, 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: and I hate that you're not feeling well, my friend. 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, it's been a minute since we've 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: published a classic and we've got a good one for 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: you today about sort of a huckster slash potential believer. 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting. He's a Quaker named Charles Mallory or quicker 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: born rather, who convinced the San Diego City Council to 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: allow him to uh deploy a machine that he claimed 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: could make it rain, but not in the like you 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: know strip club parlance, more literally like because they were 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: experiencing serious drought and he kind of had him over 18 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: a barrel. And honestly, it's not a bad stop gap 19 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: between our two part episode on Millery some because the 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: question arises, did this guy really believe and practice what 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: he was preaching? It's to be determined, and I think 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: we addressed that within the episode. This is one of 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: our earliest episodes of Ridiculous History, and honestly, I think 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: it holds up. So feel better, my friend and Ridiculous 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: Historians enjoy this classic episode, and then we will return 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: to our regularly scheduled program on the next published day. 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Into 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: every episode of Ridiculous History, a little rain must fall high, 29 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm dead, I'm no. Well that was nice, Ben inks 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: Man like changing it up a little bit for the 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: for the opening, and uh. We are joined as always 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: with our super producer, Casey Pegram. He's on the ones 33 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: and the two's mainly just the ones. He just came. 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: The two's just occasionally if he needs a little extra 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: push over the cliff. Um, can I do you're reading? Yeah? Please, 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: it's just just I love this. The first line in 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: this article from How Stuff Works by the very talented 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Candice Gibson goes as such, I just think this is perfect. 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: Quaker born Charles Mallory Hatfield tidy in appearance and straightforward, 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: with a salesman's bearing and a farm boy's self assured 41 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: nous made an eyebrow raising offer to the desperate city 42 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Council of San Diego in nineteen fifteen, and this is 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: where our story begins. Let's give you a little bit 44 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: of background about Charles Mallory Hatfield. Charles Mallory Hatfield was 45 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: what he preferred to call a moisture accelerator, a PLU, 46 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: the culturist. To the average person at the time, that 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: meant he was a rainmaker, or we should say he 48 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: was a self proclaimed rainmaker. And San Diego at the 49 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: time was in a really tough arid spot. Yes, they 50 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: were in desperate need of rain to help refill the 51 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: city's dwindling Marina reservoir. So this meeting, as described by 52 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: Candice Gibson, took place in which Charles Mallory Hatfield offered 53 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: up his services to do just that, refill the city's reservoir. 54 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: Mallory's fee ten grand ten grands seems low for the 55 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: magical gift of rain, but back in those days it 56 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: equated to around two d and thirty thousand dollars um 57 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and he would receive payment upon delivery of services. Right 58 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: because they were understandably skeptical, you know, the question would 59 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: be well, what's to stop us from giving you ten 60 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars? And then just learning that you skipped down 61 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: and he said pay on delivery. So that's I think 62 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: that's what really convinced them. Total power move too, don't 63 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: you think. So they accepted his offer, however, they accepted 64 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: it verbally. Was a smile and a handshake, and no 65 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: one signed anything on paper guaranteeing Mallory this ten large. 66 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: But he went about his business nonetheless. Yeah, apparently he had, 67 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: to his estimation, perfected a particular formula of cloud seating 68 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: through seventeen other contracts with other known commercial organizations, as 69 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: ranging for cotton growers in Texas to mine operators in Alaska. 70 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: And what he developed was this technique. I guess it 71 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: was an early form of cloud seating. Now, this wasn't 72 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: the stuff of Kate Bush songs chronicling the eccentric pseudoscience 73 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: of Wilhelm Reich's attempts to harness the weather using Oregon energy. 74 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: Any can push fans in the house Reich, William Reich 75 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: fans too. I'm yeah, but cloud busting daddy, Yeah, but no, 76 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: it's not that. This is much more. There's a touch 77 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: more actual science involved here, um so, as Lauren Ricketts, 78 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: a broadcast meteorologist with NBC four in Washington, d C. 79 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: Puts it, cloud seating is a form of weather modification 80 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: in which we can enhance precipitation development by using certain 81 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: chemicals to create an environment within clouds that it's conducive 82 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: to forming precipitation, right, accelerating moisture almost. And this sounds 83 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: like it's a little pseudoscience, right, But it turns out 84 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: that there have been multiple experiments with the concept of 85 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: affecting what the weather, specifically affecting clouds through the use 86 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: of substances like silver, iodied or potassium. I died and 87 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: dry ice. Mallory seventeen times before he had spoken with 88 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: San Diego, had attempted to do something like this, and uh, 89 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: he stood by his results. He had a cloud gathering 90 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: formula that was comprised of twenty three substances. At this point, 91 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: the exact ratios or the identity of those substances is 92 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: unfortunately lost to history. He took it to his grave. 93 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: By all accounts, whenever I hear somebody talking about, uh, 94 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: secret ingredients, I always think of the current trade secret ingredients, 95 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: like how the how Coca Cola has a secret recipe 96 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: and the three people who know it are not allowed 97 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: to be on an airplane at the same time, right, 98 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: or like they maybe only one person carries a piece 99 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: of the ingredients. You have to have all three of 100 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: them in a room at the same time, and they 101 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: also have to turn secret keys. And watched him many movies. Yeah, 102 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: but this guy Mallory, he built this giant tower. Right, 103 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: It's like a wooden tower that he used to um 104 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: ionize the atmosphere. And I had a hard time finding 105 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: details about like did he pump it up? Did he 106 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: did he shoot it into? Yeah? What check this out? Okay, 107 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: So he builds this twenty foot tower and it's in 108 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: the woods east of town. And one study official this 109 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: is my favorite part and this is the least proven 110 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: part of this whole Shenanigan uh One city official said 111 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: that Mallory recited an incantation aimed at ringing moisture from 112 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: the air. Yeah. I didn't catch that detail. That's also 113 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, hearsay from a city official. And we'll 114 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: learn why they may not be the most um objective 115 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: witnesses in the story. We know that he put these 116 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: troughs on top of the tower, and that's where he 117 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: put his mixture, Like he poured it into these traws 118 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: and ignited it, creating smoke that drifted upwards. And I 119 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: was missing the delivery mechanism. And we talked about the 120 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: makeup of what they think his concoction might have been. Well, 121 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: we've just mentioned some of the operative ingredients in cloud seating, 122 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: but we haven't. We haven't made any guesses about this. 123 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: Do you think there was maybe gunpowder? And there was, Yeah, 124 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: that was speculated that it was gunpowder and maybe hydrogen um. 125 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: But whatever was in it, apparently the concoction it worked 126 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: like like a lot, like a lot a lot. Yes, yes, 127 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: whether by miracle or measurable quantitative science. It rained, it's poured. 128 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: It was a biblical delusion. It occurred a few days. 129 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: Were likely old men that snored right it uh. It 130 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: occurred just a few days after Hatfield began his process. 131 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: It was in January and early February of nineteen sixteen 132 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: that thirty inches and estimated thirty inches of rain fell 133 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and Mission Valley flooded. The San Diego River overflowed entire 134 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: farms and homes and bridges and businesses were swept away. 135 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Can you picture the city council just watching this from 136 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: their offices and first being like high fiving each other, 137 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: and then just gradually the realization setting in. It's like, 138 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: what have we done? And I just picture Mallory rubbing 139 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: his hands together in a Mr. Burns kind of fashion, 140 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: doing like an evil villain. Like is he a real 141 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: life weather modification supervillain or is he kind of like 142 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: the Mickey Mouse Wizard and Fantasia who makes the you 143 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: know animates that one mop You know, I like that 144 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: a lot. I think I prefer to think of him 145 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: as as the as the creepy guy watching from afar, 146 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: as the chaos that he has unleashed devoured as the city. 147 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: Uh maybe he had a big grudge against the city 148 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: Council of San Diego. Maybe maybe his like high school 149 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: sweetheart broke up with him and lived in San Diego. 150 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: That's all pure speculation. I just I don't want people 151 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: to be villains, so well, whatever his motivations, telephone lines 152 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: snapped and washed away, the roads and railroad tracks cracked 153 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: under the pressure of all of this water. But this 154 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: was just the beginning, right, There's more it continued to 155 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: just beat the hell out of drought parched county, which 156 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: was I think in maxed out around thirty inches by 157 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: the end of January, and the reservoir, you know, it 158 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: was mission accomplished. The reservoir was full, but the Lower 159 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: Ote Reservoir couldn't contain all of this water, and the 160 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: dam broke and the waters killed nearby residents. Estimates put 161 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: that number it around between a dozen to fifty deaths, 162 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: and farm animals and homes were destroyed. I mean, you know, yeah, 163 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: there was there was real and genuine loss of life. Unfortunately, Uh, 164 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: this quickly becomes obviously a disaster. But Mallory and you 165 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: have to you have to wonder how he broached this 166 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: topic of conversation. So about that money. Yeah, so Mallory 167 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: walks out and walks up to city council and says, 168 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: will I, uh, I think my work here is done. 169 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: And uh and they're they're saying, you know, people are dying. 170 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: They're probably still like soaking wet themselves. What I'm saying 171 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: that the city council people have looked at him with 172 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: like just dead eyes, just like you know, you got 173 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: some nerve turning up here. Buddy. So ordinarily a lot 174 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: of rain, right if you if you're just guessing, it's 175 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: understandable how we could think a lot of rain is 176 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: good for a drought stricken area. But the problem that 177 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: occurs is that when there is a drought and the 178 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: soil itself is very dry, it won't be able to 179 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: absorb the rains. And so this means that instead of 180 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: going into the ground, it's going across the ground, and 181 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: that's how those buildings end up washing away when the 182 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: valley floods and the and the dams are broken, and this, 183 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, leads to the loss of human life. Without 184 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: knowing the specifics of their conversation, it's fairly safe to 185 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: say that the city council members said, what the hell 186 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: are you thinking, you monster? No, we're not giving you 187 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. Uh. And they thought that if they 188 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: paid Hatfield money for this first off, they'd be ridden 189 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: out of office on a rail at minimum. Well, they 190 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: look like they co signed the whole thing, and then 191 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: they were complicit and they essentially pay the dude to 192 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: like destroy their town, which is which would probably go 193 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: on their permanent council member. Right, that's going on your 194 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: permanent record the time you tried to drown the toy 195 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: that like every point. Yeah, So Hatfield notices that people 196 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: are infuriated and looking for someone to blame, right, and 197 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: he ditches town. He lights out for the territories on 198 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: his own, and then he waits for the waters to settle, 199 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: for the water level to decrease. And after the water 200 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: level decreases, get this, he tries to take San Diego 201 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: to court and he says, I did what I said 202 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: I would do. I should be paid for my services. 203 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: And this court case goes on, It goes on for 204 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: a year, goes on for five years, it goes on 205 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: for twenty years. Eventually it's dismissed and he never got 206 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: a dime. Poor guy. It's tough to call. It's a 207 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: tough call to make. Like I said, I'm still kind 208 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: of picturing him cackling, you know, in his secret underground layer. 209 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: Here's the weird part, though, It's even more complicated when 210 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: we think that, well, did he ruin his life because 211 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: he underestimated the impact of his secret his secret concoction? Right? Well? Also, 212 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: but like when I first saw this article, I was like, 213 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: is that a thing? Is that can is you know, 214 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: weather control. I thought, I thought we couldn't control the weather. 215 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: It is, it is absolutely a thing, but it is 216 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: not by any means of precise science. Think that's that's 217 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: where my brain kind of like hit a wall with this. Okay, 218 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: so he had some stones, right. He came back to 219 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: the city council and said, hey, where is my check? 220 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: And they laughed him out of the room. Court case 221 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: drug on. Ultimately he got nothing, but he wasn't like 222 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: lacking for work. I mean, it's kind of a big deal. 223 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: Even though the city council didn't pay him or necessarily 224 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: openly co sign his activities, everyone knew that he was 225 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: what he was doing. I mean it was like, you know, 226 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: kind of an odd thing that to have happened, and 227 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: I think it certainly turned some heads, right, And so 228 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: his reputation got around, and nations like Canada, Cuba and 229 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: even Honduras helped, you know, sought him out for his 230 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, supposed expertise um and so this you know, 231 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: catastrophe ultimately made a name for him and kind of 232 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: boosted his career. Uh though his usefulness kind of dwindled 233 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: as water storage technology became more of a thing. Oh, 234 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Yeah, I didn't consider that, because 235 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: as we learn more about how to reuse, store, and 236 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: collect water, maybe we don't need so many rainmakers in 237 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: the world. But circumstances suggest that Hatfield probably made the 238 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: made an error and probably wasn't taking in the droughts 239 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: effect on the land and soil. He was probably so 240 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: fixated on proving that his technology worked that he didn't 241 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: think about the ramifications of his actions. So that's what 242 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying that if you really think it was he 243 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: totally made this happen, no, no question. Yeah, I think 244 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: I think, no question. Furthermore, I would go on to 245 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: say that Hatfield's work paved the way for cloud seeing technology, 246 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: but do you think we should explore a little bit 247 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: of his successors in this field? Absolutely? Like I said, 248 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: this is all kind of like really fascinating to me, 249 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: And before looking into this story, I really did not 250 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: think this was something that was was achievable by by humans. 251 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of debate about this stuff, not 252 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: just in Hatfield's time, but in the modern day and 253 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: several decades. Before going back to the meteorologists we mentioned earlier, 254 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: Ricketts says that clouds that are seated are getting about 255 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: a five to increase in precipitation, So there precipitation potential 256 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: is being enhanced, not necessarily magnified. You know, it's not 257 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: going to be a hud sure thing, but modern governments 258 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: are using this technology. Uh. China creates about fifty five 259 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: billion tons of what they would call artificial rain per year, 260 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: and it costs about a hundred and sixty eight million 261 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: dollars per year to do this, or one point five 262 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: billion one as of January twent seventeen. We can use 263 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: we being the human species, or I guess technically also you, 264 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Casey and myself. We can use cloud seating technology to 265 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: influence the weather, but without being a meteorologist. I'm just 266 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: reminded of every every sci fi horror movie where somebody 267 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: pipes up and says, eddeling with things you cannot possibly comprehend. 268 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: The world's weather system is so complex and interconnected that 269 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: I feel like if you if you influence something in 270 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: one area, you're inevitably influencing things in the other parts 271 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: of the world. China famously used cloud seating technology in 272 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: the two thousand eight Olympics. Yeah, I really do need 273 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: to look into more of this stuff because this is 274 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: so mystified. Apparently it's just the only a thing and 275 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: everybody knows about it except little me. No. I I 276 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people know about it because 277 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like science fiction. That's I think what it is. 278 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: And the fact that there is sort of like a 279 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: gray area, and like how do we get specific results 280 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: or how or just like in the case of this, 281 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: this story completely jack everything all to hell. The US 282 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: also is attempting cloud seating and still in California. In 283 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, in Sacramento, California, some people had 284 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: set up a tall metal platform with a crude furnace 285 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: and silver iodide solution that scientists were hoping would provide 286 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: relief from a drought. And we can only hope that 287 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: they had more reasonable results there. But according to Arlen Huggins, 288 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: who is a research scientist at the Desert Research Institute 289 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: in Reno, what's going on in the US concerning this 290 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: sort of stuff is tiny in comparison. The Chinese government 291 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: has been working with cloud seeing technology since nineteen fifty 292 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: eight when it was given to them via the Russian government. 293 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: That's fascinating. It's fascinating, but it's also kind of scary. 294 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: You know, we also have experiments done by the US 295 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: in foreign countries with weather modification. Do you think this 296 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: could be potentially like used as a weapon, Absolutely, yeah, 297 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: or attempted to right now. I don't. The thing about 298 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: a weapon is you would want it to be able 299 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: to be targeted. Is it like that movie Geo Storm 300 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: that's coming out? Is Geo Store about that? Well, it's 301 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: just about like a satellite that shoots the laser beam 302 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: and makes the weather all crazy and you know it 303 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: turns you know, like California into the ice age and 304 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: it looks terrible, but you know, kind of fun. Yeah, 305 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: is it? Are you gonna see it? I don't really 306 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: go out for the big you know, the big blocks. Yeah. Well, 307 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: especially like the disaster movies. It just doesn't seem like 308 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: fun to me. Although I really enjoyed Independence Day when 309 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: I was a kid. Here, maybe this is a good 310 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: place for us to wrap up. This is something I 311 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: didn't know about. And when you talked about, when you 312 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: asked whether whether weather weather modification there we Go could 313 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: be used as a weapon, I thought, no, you know, 314 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: that's that's ridiculous. But the US government did not. During 315 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven through nineteen seventy two, UH, they had 316 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: a weather modification program in Southeast Asia called Operation Popeye. 317 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: This was during the Vietnam War and they were attempting 318 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: to extend the monsoon season over areas of the Ho 319 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Chi Minh Trail, and they were hoping that this would 320 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: support the efforts of the US government in the area. 321 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Their objectives were to soften road surfaces, cause landslides along roadways, 322 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: wash out river crossings, and keep the soil saturated beyond 323 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: the natural time span. Their slogan that the fifty four 324 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: Weather Reconnaissance Squadron used was make mud not war. It's 325 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: not as solid as that's still Yagi win from earlier Man, 326 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: make mud not war. I think there is not a 327 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: better place to wrap up than with that quote. However, 328 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: we do have one more surprise and very high be 329 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: uh to be with you here today, man, because this 330 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a milestone for us. Yeah, you, 331 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: specifically you, Man. I'm happy to be here with you too, buddy. 332 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: We're doing our first listener mail. In our first of 333 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: two listener mails we received at the inbox, ridiculous at 334 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. We've got one coming from Zachary, 335 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: he says Nolan Ben. My favorite thing that has been 336 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: repeated in history is the crazy amount of times people 337 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: have tried and failed to invade via the Bakdung River 338 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: in Vietnam. China failed to invade, and then in eight 339 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: they tried and failed again. Both times they were easily 340 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: beaten by Vietnamese forces placing spikes in the river during 341 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: low tide, and then watching Chinese forces getting destroyed. Why 342 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: am I laughing? This sounds horrendous, but it's pretty smart 343 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: and pretty ridiculous, um, watching Chinese forces getting destroyed and 344 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: then tried coming through in high tide. As for my 345 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: favorite Chinese food, it's probably the amazing potato beef and 346 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: rice dish I had when I studied abroad in chin China. 347 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: But I'm also a huge fan of orange Chicken. I 348 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: love the show, zach Um. I think orange chicken was 349 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: my pick. I think I said mall orange chicken, Um. 350 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: But I'm also all about more traditional dishes like the 351 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: amazing potato beef and rice dish mentioned here in this email. 352 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for writing in dude. Yeah, thanks 353 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: so much, zach Um. When I first when I first 354 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: brought up range chicken, I was just sort of, uh, 355 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: it was it was just sort of picturing what would 356 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: be on almost every Chinese menu in the US at least. 357 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: And then yeah, and when you pointed out mall orange chicken, 358 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: it inspired me. I got really close to grabbing some recently, 359 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: but I was I was way laid in New York, 360 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: so I had some awesome hand pulled noodles. Did you 361 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: go to Shann's Famous Foods? No? No, this, Yeah, I've 362 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: been there before. Listeners, if you ever New York, if 363 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: you live in New York, Shan's Famous. Who's they have these? 364 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: The reason I brought it up be as the handful 365 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: of noodles. Um. It is literally like in a bowl. 366 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: It's like a single noodle, but it's insane, but it 367 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: incorporates into this whole bowl of food. And they do 368 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: like one with ground lamb and the spices. It's it's 369 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: what's the I think, But it's like kind of kind 370 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: of a different it's gotta it's it's almost got Indian 371 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: qualities have Yeah, it's got almost a I would want 372 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: to say western region of the continent. Absolutely right, it's 373 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: totally what it has been. Uh so, thank you so much, Zach, 374 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: and I would love to hear more about your time 375 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: studying abroad. In the meantime, we have a second listener 376 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: mail from our friend Tom W who says Ben Knell, 377 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: Hello from the sunny city Berlin, Germany. I just found 378 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: your podcast ridiculous history. Really enjoyed it. Thank you. He 379 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: says he's gonna put it on his favorite list. He 380 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: has a comment on the subject of butter tax and 381 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: Germany as follows. I'm retired here, says Tom in Berlin. 382 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: And then there are certain says I have experienced in 383 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: German which I find very interesting. There's one saying that 384 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: goes is alas butter and it translates to it's all 385 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: in butter. I know it means it's all taken care of. 386 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: But during Martin Luther's days, butter was transported in barrels, 387 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: and to avoid paying the full tax on the butter, 388 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: porcelain was pushed into the butter when it was stopped 389 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: for inspection. The explanation for the butter was that it 390 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: was packing material for safe transport of the porcelain. So 391 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you can't tax the butter it's essentially 392 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: like a styrofoam peanut thing. Uh. Speaking of the butter tax, 393 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: as Tom, there are also some other strange food tricks. 394 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: For example, a meatless days, the church reclassified the beaver 395 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: as a fish because the beaver swam. Therefore, beaver could 396 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: also be eaten on meatless days. With a clear conscience, 397 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: people who had meat to eat started cooking meat on 398 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: meatless days by wrapping the meat in dough. I believe 399 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: they thought God could not see what was inside the dough. 400 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: And this, says Tom, is how Rabbioli came about being popular. 401 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: And Tom gets the prize for the most uses of 402 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: the word meet in a single sentence. Uh. And Tom 403 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: says one final thing. The monks dug thousands of ponds 404 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: throughout Europe in order to raise KRP to be sold 405 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: to the people. These ponds still exist today. All the best, Tom, 406 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Right in Tom, I think I 407 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: am going to launch It's all in butter as a 408 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: catchphrase here in English and see how it goes. Wish 409 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: me luck, you know what I say, Ben, don't tell 410 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: me not to live just sitting putter, life's candy and 411 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: the son's a ball of butter, don't bring around a 412 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: cloud to rain on my ridiculous history parade. And this 413 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: concludes our listener mail. But as my good friend Ben 414 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: would say, but not our show, because we haven't been 415 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: canceled yet. We're new. It's a new show. I think 416 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: we're doing well. Thank you guys for listening and writing 417 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: in and and not being too overly pedantic. I think 418 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: we've only gotten one, uh punchable email. Um, but no, 419 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: just the one, just the one. Everything else everyone else 420 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: has been lovely and um, you know you guys, if 421 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: you like the show, um, do to us a solid 422 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: Go to iTunes and write a review, give us like 423 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: all the stars, and you know, say that we're engaging 424 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: and enjoyable to listen to or or or whatever. Tell 425 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: you tell your friends we were good at jokes one time, 426 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: the one time. Yeah, we we might get there one day. Uh. 427 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, while you're online, you can find 428 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: us on Facebook. 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Do 438 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: I just essentially want to tell every criminal on the 439 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: planet that I'm not at my house? Ben still has 440 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: a live journal active, one of the only remaining users, 441 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: so you can check him out there um or you 442 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 1: can just write us an email at ridiculous at how 443 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com and you know, maybe we'll read 444 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: your email on the show. Well, do you still have 445 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: any MySpace or friends serve pages up? Kind of MySpace page? 446 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: What do you think about the idea of whether modification 447 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: or or cloud seeing you're so called rainmakers, have you 448 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: had any experience with this? You can contact us we 449 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: all the social media um my apartment only you're just named, 450 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: or you can write to us directly at ridiculous at 451 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. And most importantly, we really 452 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: look forward to joining you again for the next episode 453 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: of Ridiculous History. 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