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Speaker 2: There's been some movement, I guess in the polls, not
Speaker 2: really though, at least we're learning a little bit about
Speaker 2: how people feel about the Trump conviction and how it
Speaker 2: might impact the election. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen. This is the latest really in depth one
Speaker 2: from CBS News. You can see there in the national polls,
Speaker 2: Trump is actually leading Biden at fifty to forty nine,
Speaker 2: but in the battlegrounds, somehow Biden is leading Trump at
Speaker 2: fifty to forty nine. This could set us up, Chrystal
Speaker 2: for a potential nightmare scenario where Biden somehow wins the
Speaker 2: electoral college but Trump wins the popular vote. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine the stop the steel will come out of that one,
Speaker 2: and then the changes of in tune on how people
Speaker 2: feel about the electoral college. I personally would like enjoy
Speaker 2: that one. Let's go to the next one, though, for
Speaker 2: how this actually looks. Trump conviction and it's factor in
Speaker 2: your vote.
Speaker 3: Important.
Speaker 2: Keep this in mind, this is actual likely voters. Twenty
Speaker 2: eight percent say major factor, seventeen percent minor factor fifty
Speaker 2: five percent, not a factor. Now, what are the actual
Speaker 2: major factors, you may ask, Let's put this up there.
Speaker 3: On the screen.
Speaker 2: Well, eighty one percent, the economy seventy five percent, inflation
Speaker 2: seventy four percent, quote unquote, state of democracy, then crime, border,
Speaker 2: gun policy, Trump conviction a wopping twenty eight percent compared
Speaker 2: to the economy of eighty one percent.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part.
Speaker 2: Please, just to show people in terms of the registered voters,
Speaker 2: keep in mind, registered very very different than likely. And
Speaker 2: they say, here, how would you describe them in terms
Speaker 2: of the actual like in terms of the candidates, tough,
Speaker 2: sixty six percent say Trump is tough, Twenty eight percent
Speaker 2: say Biden is tough. Energetic, twenty six percent say Biden
Speaker 2: is energetic, Not sixty one.
Speaker 3: Biden, They've got it.
Speaker 4: Eight.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of old people in this country, they're
Speaker 2: the ones we're saying it effective eight thirty eight percent
Speaker 2: Biden is effective, fifty two percent say Trump is effective. Competent,
Speaker 2: you have forty percent on Biden forty nine percent for
Speaker 2: Trump compassionate. This is the only category where Biden actually
Speaker 2: beats Trump, fifty two to thirty seven. I would note though,
Speaker 2: that that fifty two is a lot lower than it
Speaker 2: used to be, crystal. It used to be in the
Speaker 2: high seventies in the past, and it was actually one
Speaker 2: of his major strengths. You know, the whole cares about
Speaker 2: people like me. Let's go to the next part. Please,
Speaker 2: just to continue a little bit. Biden's executive order on
Speaker 2: migrants crossing the border, seventy percent people say they approve,
Speaker 2: so obviously that shows you why he did it in
Speaker 2: terms of the policy. And then finally, let's go to
Speaker 2: the next one and just show everybody choice for president
Speaker 2: if higher prices have been your hardship.
Speaker 3: This is a very important one. Amongst likely voters.
Speaker 2: Seventy percent nearly seventy percent sixty nine say for Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is their choice if higher prices have been hardship.
Speaker 2: So clearly, people who are feeling the economic squeeze want.
Speaker 3: The change candidate.
Speaker 2: This fixes with this fits with why we see movement
Speaker 2: younger voters, Black Hispanic voters, particularly young Black Hispanic men,
Speaker 2: all drifting in the Trump category, mostly because they want
Speaker 2: change to their major economic conditions. And also it explains
Speaker 2: the crystal why Biden is doing better in battleground states
Speaker 2: predominantly wider and predominantly older. It's the older the voter set,
Speaker 2: the better off Joe Biden is going to because they're
Speaker 2: going to be a lot more insulated from some of
Speaker 2: the problems that we have in the economy.
Speaker 1: I mean, overall, Trump still beats Biden with older voters,
Speaker 1: but when you look at what was the Biden coalition
Speaker 1: last time and who's sticking with him, older voters who
Speaker 1: voted for him last time are sticking with Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Younger voters who voted for Joe Biden are not sticking
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: And when you look at.
Speaker 1: Minorities, that's also where you've seen an erosion. So again,
Speaker 1: most pools still show Joe Biden with an edge among
Speaker 1: Latino voters. But when you're talking about where has his
Speaker 1: coalition that barely got across the finish line last time,
Speaker 1: where has that erosion occurred. It's young voters, it's diverse
Speaker 1: voters overwhelmingly. I mean, listen, a few things that are
Speaker 1: interesting here with regards to the Trump conviction.
Speaker 5: One thing that they do note is that of the.
Speaker 1: People who say they're voting for Joe Biden as like
Speaker 1: a vote against Trump, that sentiment has increased post conviction.
Speaker 1: So since the Biden team is betting so much on
Speaker 1: it just being a sort of anti Trump sentiment out there,
Speaker 1: you know, in that way, the Trump convictions have bolstered
Speaker 1: their argument a bit, and people are, you know, more
Speaker 1: viewing the election a bit through that war, through that frame.
Speaker 1: But it's it's pretty marginal. It's pretty marginal, and the
Speaker 1: other issue set seem to be more important, you know.
Speaker 1: Also interesting Zagara on the immigration thing, I think you
Speaker 1: and I both predicted, Yeah, you have high approval rating
Speaker 1: for it. But people who say immigration is their number
Speaker 1: one issue, they're still not voting for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's not like they that flipped them over to the
Speaker 1: Biden camp. So it didn't really gain him anything electorally,
Speaker 1: even though it was popular.
Speaker 3: Biden is just all in the margins game at this point.
Speaker 2: His best hope is that he can keep a little
Speaker 2: bit of that suburban coalition win in the battleground states. Remember,
Speaker 2: he can still lose Georgia and Arizona and he could
Speaker 2: still win the presidency. I think at this point it's
Speaker 2: basically gone in terms of Sunbelt, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: I guess it's theoretically still possible.
Speaker 3: He's got to hold on to Nevada though.
Speaker 2: Nevada is a genuine, actual battleground now at this point,
Speaker 2: and it's a real problem because those electoral votes really
Speaker 2: count to his possibility for winning. Trump just did a
Speaker 2: rally in Las Vegas, I think it was yesterday, in
Speaker 2: the middle of a heat wave, by the way, spoke
Speaker 2: for over I think an hour and forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, falling out because of the heat. There were a
Speaker 1: lot of medical issues.
Speaker 5: Be careful out.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, please please be careful. Bring water if you're
Speaker 2: ever going to attend an event like that. Let's put
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen, they say, in terms
Speaker 2: of a systematic review, not just CBS. There's been five
Speaker 2: national polls now conducted since the Trump conviction basically showing
Speaker 2: the right race either quote unchanged or moving slightly in
Speaker 2: the Biden direction. The New York Times Siena poll has
Speaker 2: recontacted registered voters who've taken part and they found moving
Speaker 2: it from Trump up three to Trump up by one.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way to really know exactly what
Speaker 2: it is, but we have not seen some sort of
Speaker 2: major shock to the system the way that many people
Speaker 2: may have wanted to see. I mean, he was eminently predictable,
Speaker 2: given the nature of the charges and more. There was
Speaker 2: a temporary spike of Google interest in is Trump going
Speaker 2: to jail, etc. That's mostly just died down by that point,
Speaker 2: and I guess we're right back to fundamentals. So well,
Speaker 2: you know, really, I think the nature of the race
Speaker 2: is basically unchanged.
Speaker 3: I mean, Biden's got to do something.
Speaker 2: We're not that far away from election day and he's
Speaker 2: still in near coin toss territory.
Speaker 3: Although I would personally give the edge to Trump right now.
Speaker 1: I think the cope slash hope for Democratic Joe Biden
Speaker 1: supporters at this point is like, maybe Trump will get
Speaker 1: jail time, Maybe that'll change people's minds, maybe that'll really
Speaker 1: shift the rais. And first of all, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think you I don't know that it's likely that
Speaker 1: Trump is getting any sort of prison time, certainly before
Speaker 1: election day, but in any case, these numbers would indicate
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be betting on that. One other thing that
Speaker 1: was interesting here is if you are a voter who
Speaker 1: sees this election as being a choice between Biden and Trump,
Speaker 1: Trump has a little bit of an edge, and that's
Speaker 1: the majority of voters, fifty one percent see it as
Speaker 1: a choice between Biden and Trump, which I think is
Speaker 1: probably the way to see it. Trump has a little
Speaker 1: small edge there. If you see it as a judgment
Speaker 1: about Trump, it's overwhelmingly you're overwhelmingly voting for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: If you see it as a judgment about Biden, you're
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly voting for Trump. So the Biden people are very
Speaker 1: invested in making this a referendum on Donald Trump, which
Speaker 1: is funny because he's not technically an incumbent, so that
Speaker 1: makes their task a little bit more difficult since not
Speaker 1: in office right now. And obviously for the Trump people,
Speaker 1: you know, they really want to make it a referendum
Speaker 1: on Joe Biden, and they're benefiting from the majority of
Speaker 1: voters who see it as a choice and are feeling
Speaker 1: like they were better financially under Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump, right exactly, And I think that's really all it
Speaker 2: comes down to. We don't know for certain exactly how
Speaker 2: this will all work, but we are watching this. Both
Speaker 2: sides are acting as if it is a game of margins,
Speaker 2: hence Trump being in Nevada aggressively courting a lot of
Speaker 2: these Latino voters. The Trump outreach is tapping rich people,
Speaker 2: their traditional donors for as much money as possible, and
Speaker 2: they're blowing it out in terms of ads. On the
Speaker 2: Biden side, though, let's put this up there, it's funny.
Speaker 2: They recognize they have a problem with young voters, so
Speaker 2: they have recruited Hollywood veterans and Biden alums to launch
Speaker 2: a super pack called Won't Pack Down, with a budget
Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars, and they have hired Quote Millennial
Speaker 2: and gen Z writers, directors, and producers to help craft
Speaker 2: pro Biden content that is specifically engineered to sell the
Speaker 2: octagenarian candidate to disillusioned and hard to reach voters who
Speaker 2: are under thirty years old. These movie industry creatives have
Speaker 2: credits from Saturday Night Live, Oh Boy, Parks and Recreation
Speaker 2: to big Mouth.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know what, Big I don't either.
Speaker 2: Have been meeting monthly for the last half year in
Speaker 2: a rented loft in downtown Los Angeles, and they are
Speaker 2: pitching thirty to ninety second influencer style reels that could
Speaker 2: run everywhere to highly produced scripted ads. The group's first
Speaker 2: ads will appear on social media and streaming platforms, expected
Speaker 2: to drop in July, so everybody can look forward to that.
Speaker 2: If you don't pay for those premium versus streaming services, folks,
Speaker 2: now's the time to sign up, because I do not
Speaker 2: want to be subjective to that, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be kind of entertaining for
Speaker 1: the cringe factor.
Speaker 2: It's like two extra dollars a month, right, and you
Speaker 2: don't have to watch any of this stuff. So anyway,
Speaker 2: clearly they know they problem with voters under thirty. You
Speaker 2: can see very clearly. It's also funny too, if you
Speaker 2: read further. They're like, their number one mission is to
Speaker 2: not be cringe. But then they named their organization won't
Speaker 2: pack down.
Speaker 5: It's like you fail, you failed on the first count.
Speaker 3: You had one job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, they think they have a messaging problem,
Speaker 1: and the truth is they have a reality problem.
Speaker 5: That's the bottom line. So it's not a mystery.
Speaker 1: What would help ease young people's minds, you know, use
Speaker 1: your pressure to end the war on Gaza and maybe
Speaker 1: like actually do something like secure housing affordability for young
Speaker 1: people and which you know we covered last week. Gen
Speaker 1: Z says that's a number issue. So maybe actually have
Speaker 1: a plan that's going to deliver for them economically and
Speaker 1: stop supporting a genocide and maybe then you might see
Speaker 1: your poll numbers. Move won't pack down with their influencer
Speaker 1: style TikTok reels good luck guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trumpell's also apparently joined TikTok. Let me see. Let's
Speaker 3: let's see how many followers that he actually has.
Speaker 2: He's got about yeah, six point seven million, So anyway,
Speaker 2: he's starting to.
Speaker 3: Make head roads.
Speaker 2: I guess he apparently they have a large organization. One
Speaker 2: of the people who works for him is a guy
Speaker 2: named Johnny mcintee, who is uh. I guess he would
Speaker 2: be the head of their personnel office. He's like an
Speaker 2: enforcer Trump style enforcer who would be the major personnel decider.
Speaker 2: He's got like one point four million followers on Instagram
Speaker 2: and he just makes a bunch of like pro conservative reels.
Speaker 2: So they actually I'm not going to say they're winning
Speaker 2: per se, but they're competing.
Speaker 3: I guess in the.
Speaker 1: Something about Trump content does well on.
Speaker 2: Tap Apparently it does. Is it pro Trump content or
Speaker 2: is it like Trump meme content?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: There are so many Trump means out there the whole like, oh,
Speaker 2: what you're telling me for the first time?
Speaker 3: Or I am the chosen one.
Speaker 2: I mean, he has all these hilarious uh like, he
Speaker 2: has all these hilarious riffs from the past.
Speaker 3: Would you classify that as pro Trump? Like not really.
Speaker 2: Most of the time it's being used as even Biden.
Speaker 2: I think I was telling you there's a lot of
Speaker 2: memes that splice like his old man moments as a
Speaker 2: meme being like me, whenever I hear about McDonald's deal,
Speaker 2: it's like Dr Biden creepily.
Speaker 3: Turning to the camera.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have anything to do with them, it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, he's like the subject or part of the meme.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean in a way it's kind of mocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it mus.
Speaker 1: Class Yeah, would you classify that as part? That's true
Speaker 1: and as Coot comes obviously on the heels of that report,
Speaker 1: we brought to you before about how they're hiring a
Speaker 1: quote unquote meme manager over in the Biden camp to
Speaker 1: also try to deal with their problems with the young voters.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't think they get it,
Speaker 1: or they're not willing to get it or whatever.
Speaker 5: Like they they really think, like, oh.
Speaker 1: If we just package it better, if we just do
Speaker 1: a larger ad spend or whatever, it's.
Speaker 5: Going to turn it around.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they are correct about that,
Speaker 1: but I guess we're going to find out.
Speaker 2: This is a really interesting story I was telling Crystal
Speaker 2: right before the show started. It really could be a
Speaker 2: precursor of what's to come here. So let's go aead
Speaker 2: and put this up there on the screen. The right
Speaker 2: wing parties all across Europe made major victories in the
Speaker 2: European Parliament elections, specifically for the European Union, the EU
Speaker 2: representatives now the EU Parliament, it doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of power, but you know, it's usually a symbolic kind
Speaker 2: of way that we can tell how the national votes
Speaker 2: are going to go in the eventual presidential elections. So
Speaker 2: just to read this off, the right wing parties in
Speaker 2: Germany in France have both won big, big in the
Speaker 2: overall elections, and France so much so that it has
Speaker 2: scrambled the overall national race. And this is a really
Speaker 2: fascinating development that we can put up on the screen please.
Speaker 2: What you can see in front of you is that
Speaker 2: the exit polls show that they are on course to
Speaker 2: win almost a quarter of the seven hundred and twenty seats,
Speaker 2: the historic first for any of these major right wing parties.
Speaker 2: A lot of it being swept into favor as a
Speaker 2: result of inflation. Remember, inflation is a bigger problem in
Speaker 2: Europe energy prices.
Speaker 3: Don't forget about that.
Speaker 2: The lack of Russian gas decimated the German economy. They've
Speaker 2: decided to fire up coal instead of build nuclear power plants.
Speaker 3: In France.
Speaker 2: They have all kinds of problems, major debates around immigration.
Speaker 2: But the major change that has happened really is let's
Speaker 2: put the next one, please, up on the screen, just
Speaker 2: so people can see exactly that. Look at the amount
Speaker 2: of victory for the right wing parties all across France. Now,
Speaker 2: keep in mind France is a very densely is not
Speaker 2: densely populated country, as in the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: population lives in Paris, and so clearly the Social Democrats
Speaker 2: and others did well in the major populated areas. But
Speaker 2: you can also see if you just spread it out,
Speaker 2: how popular the right wing parties are in France and
Speaker 2: all across the more rural areas, and there's very traditional
Speaker 2: in terms of French politics. This has led Emmanuel Macron,
Speaker 2: the president, to call for an early election, which we
Speaker 2: can put the next part. This is a really interesting
Speaker 2: move because what he has announced is that he is
Speaker 2: dissolving the National Assembly calling for national elections.
Speaker 3: This will decide who will run the country.
Speaker 2: This is exactly basically the same move as what Rishie
Speaker 2: Sunach has done in the UK. Now, the reason why
Speaker 2: this matters is that the general election was not supposed
Speaker 2: to happen until twenty to twenty seven according to their
Speaker 2: timeline of every five years. By calling for this new election,
Speaker 2: Macrone has a multiple different things that he could be
Speaker 2: going for And I wonder what you think. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: first scenario is that lapenn is very.
Speaker 3: Very popular, right wing popular or very popular.
Speaker 2: So what he wants is because they've never governed before
Speaker 2: and he predicts that it will be a shit show.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, maybe they will beat me, but then
Speaker 2: they would only be in power for two years, and
Speaker 2: then I can make a comeback with like myccentrist Jubiterian
Speaker 2: legacy and win five years in power. The other option
Speaker 2: is that every single time it's been Macron versus Lapenn,
Speaker 2: Macrone has always won all of the disaffected voters, the
Speaker 2: Socialists and others through the runoff system. And at the
Speaker 2: same time, the National Assembly has been a mess right
Speaker 2: now because Macron doesn't have a big enough majority in
Speaker 2: the Parliament to actually get anything done, so he predicts
Speaker 2: you know, basically you coalesced all the protest votes against
Speaker 2: the right wing even though they win a big enough block.
Speaker 3: That's the traditional move, but it's.
Speaker 2: A gutsy call because what are we setting ourselves up for.
Speaker 3: We just had Mody get reelected.
Speaker 2: Yes not you know, in the same level of popularity,
Speaker 2: but that was a precursor to trump Brexit. That's we're
Speaker 2: having a general election in the UK two weeks later.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to have an election in France. That's
Speaker 2: that could set the tides for a real narrative shift
Speaker 2: right before our elections.
Speaker 3: That happened in November.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a there's a lot going on here.
Speaker 1: So in terms of the overall EU results, most of
Speaker 1: the gains for the far right were in two countries
Speaker 1: Germany and.
Speaker 3: France, which of you, I mean, the big powers of the.
Speaker 1: Very very significant, no doubt about it. And if you
Speaker 1: look at the map of Germany, it's also remarkable because
Speaker 1: the former communist Easter was overwhelmingly when right wing, and
Speaker 1: I mean there's still is huge economic disparity between the
Speaker 1: East and the West, and you know that has fomented
Speaker 1: a lot of upset in East Germany.
Speaker 5: So that's also.
Speaker 1: Very interesting from a Germany perspective. You'll put Taniel's tweet
Speaker 1: thread back there up on the screen because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to pretend like I know French politics better than
Speaker 1: Daniel Nashenian, who is the founder of Bolts magazine and follows.
Speaker 5: French politics very closely.
Speaker 1: So he says number one, obviously this comes after disasterrous
Speaker 1: election results for Macron.
Speaker 5: Number two.
Speaker 1: France currently has a hung parliament due to weak results
Speaker 1: by Macron's party in twenty twenty two, so without having
Speaker 1: control in the National Assembly, Macron really can't do a lot,
Speaker 1: so he's been really hamstrung let's put the next piece
Speaker 1: up on the screen. Additional analysis here, he says downside
Speaker 1: by contrast is if you know he's called these elections
Speaker 1: as possible, he loses all control. France has a hybrid system.
Speaker 1: The president is all powerful if his party controls the
Speaker 1: National Assembly, but if an opposing party controls that, they
Speaker 1: pretty much run the country. The present becomes a figurehead.
Speaker 1: He says, what Macron may be betting is who could
Speaker 1: possibly win a majority instead of him. Election rules make
Speaker 1: it very hard for La Penz party. It's a two
Speaker 1: round system in each district. That's what Saga is referring
Speaker 1: to the bet from MACRONA is basically like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's one thing when you have all the parties and
Speaker 1: they do better, they get their you know, thirty percent
Speaker 1: of the vote. But he's thinking that in a two
Speaker 1: run system, then everybody else basically coalesces against the hard
Speaker 1: right and he's able to prevail. Kenna divided left possibly
Speaker 1: coalesce in your weeks is another question. And by the way,
Speaker 1: traditional Conservatives got just seven percent today, which is also wild.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, we'll see, we'll see how it
Speaker 1: all unfolds. It is interesting you know, this bet makes
Speaker 1: more sense to me that I need to get somebody
Speaker 1: from Owen Jones or somebody to explain to me the
Speaker 1: Rischie Suneck bet, because that one I really don't understand, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's betting on. He's so unpopular.
Speaker 1: It looks like labor is just going to absolutely destroy them.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, I don't really understand
Speaker 1: the dynamics here, but this one at least makes some
Speaker 1: kind of sense to me. The other thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to mention, because it is relevant to the US domestic
Speaker 1: political context, is Sager you rightly set up. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of issues in France right now. They have high inflation,
Speaker 1: They had a huge farmer protest movement because Macron was
Speaker 1: trying to take away some of very neoliberal like you know,
Speaker 1: subsidy reform or whatever.
Speaker 5: Huge backlash from that.
Speaker 1: And then you have the far right parties, which ran
Speaker 1: very hard on immigration and crime against immigration and crime.
Speaker 1: Macron had previously tried to pull a political move very
Speaker 1: similar to what Biden is trying to pull right now
Speaker 1: on immigration. He passed through an immigration reform bill that
Speaker 1: was so you know, such a shift to the right
Speaker 1: that actually Marine Lapenn came out and said, hey, I
Speaker 1: embraced this. This was an ideological victory for me. Quite
Speaker 1: a few members of Macron's own party wouldn't support it
Speaker 1: and wouldn't back it, and you know, it was an
Speaker 1: attempt to like he could see the writing on the wall.
Speaker 1: This is a potent issue. The right is killing me
Speaker 1: on it. Let me try to move to the right.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say that was like the
Speaker 1: only issue or that that was even determinative, but you
Speaker 1: can see that it didn't work because the people who
Speaker 1: are immigration hardliners were still going to vote for the things.
Speaker 2: Spark left pen has been. I mean, this is their thing,
Speaker 2: this is the number one thing. Also, if you think
Speaker 2: we have immigration problems.
Speaker 3: Here, go live in France. Like that is a whole
Speaker 3: other level.
Speaker 2: And I'm not It's funny too, because I could see
Speaker 2: it from both ways. The French complain and about about
Speaker 2: it and everything. They're also some of the most racist
Speaker 2: people in all of Europe. Don't ask me, go ask
Speaker 2: anybody's not white in France. They are of a very
Speaker 2: like interesting view I think of what it means to
Speaker 2: be French. And then at the same time, their French
Speaker 2: Empire was one in which all of their colonial subjects
Speaker 2: were considered explicitly French, and thus you know, we're able
Speaker 2: to move to the country. So not exactly working out
Speaker 2: for them in that way, and they have all kinds
Speaker 2: of issues in terms of how they look at who
Speaker 2: really is this is in etc. The other problem I
Speaker 2: think is that's overlaying all this is Ukraine is that
Speaker 2: let's not forget that Germany and France are two of
Speaker 2: the most hawkish nations today I mean outside of Britain
Speaker 2: and the United States, but broadly have been part of
Speaker 2: the very pro NATO position against Ukraine, especially lately and
Speaker 2: with France. Well, Lepen and the AfD in Germany have
Speaker 2: a very different view of the conflict. A lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that we've been talking about here about how
Speaker 2: their economies are getting decimated. I mean, especially if you're German,
Speaker 2: you have paid probably a twenty twenty five percent tax
Speaker 2: just because of Ukraine. In terms of overall inflation, another
Speaker 2: thing people don't really know is that here in the
Speaker 2: United States we have thirty year fixed rate mortgages, so
Speaker 2: inflation central bank rates don't affect our housing as much.
Speaker 2: In Europe, it's actually not common at all. You have
Speaker 2: like five year adjustable rate mortgages, and a lot of
Speaker 2: people's mortgages have spiked recently because of the Central Bank
Speaker 2: increasing their interest rates. So in the UK, for example,
Speaker 2: you have some people who are paying almost double or
Speaker 2: triple and the same thing is happening in Germany and
Speaker 2: I believe in France as well, so massive like high inflation,
Speaker 2: housing costs. The explicit effects of the Ukraine thing are
Speaker 2: being felt much more deeply, and a lot of it
Speaker 2: is also a protest vote against Brussels and against the
Speaker 2: way that they are handling it. You saw the celebration
Speaker 2: of this result by Victor Orbon last night in Hungary.
Speaker 2: He's like, this is a direct message to the European Union.
Speaker 3: He's like, you guys need to stop this.
Speaker 2: So I do think this will really fracture regardless of
Speaker 2: you know, they could stay in power, Schultz and Macron,
Speaker 2: but the pressures that they're feeling now it's going to
Speaker 2: constrain of their future ability to move in the directions
Speaker 2: that they wanted to.
Speaker 1: There's also an increasing divide between the French political leade
Speaker 1: and German political lead and their orientation with regard to Israel.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at a where you know, the
Speaker 1: German public and Germany has been a very staunch supporter
Speaker 1: of Israel, and like the censorship crackdown in Germany has
Speaker 1: been insane for anyone who's remotely pro Palestine. The public
Speaker 1: is not on board with this anymore. They've completely flipped,
Speaker 1: you know, who they feel more sympathetic towards, and it's
Speaker 1: been an astonishing reversal over the course of this war.
Speaker 1: So there's also a divide between how the public feels
Speaker 1: and how the political class has you know, had unconditional
Speaker 1: support for the Israel's.
Speaker 5: Assault on Gaza.
Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot brewing here, but there's no
Speaker 1: doubt that voters, you know, meant this as a rebuke
Speaker 1: on I think a wide variety of issues, both economic,
Speaker 1: foreign policy, domestic immigration, et cetera. And listen, sometimes these
Speaker 1: things are one off. Sometimes they are not really indicative
Speaker 1: of something that's going on in our political our domestic
Speaker 1: political affairs. Here you could look at other you could
Speaker 1: look at you know, AMLO's popularity on the left, and
Speaker 1: then and Claudia Scheinbaum coming in and you know, his
Speaker 1: basically who he wanted to succeed him in same party whatever,
Speaker 1: and that was a sort of vote in favor of continuity,
Speaker 1: and it was a strong showing for the left, although
Speaker 1: more of a much more populous left, not the neoliberal
Speaker 1: macron version. So there are other contradictory signals, but this
Speaker 1: is a this is an earthquake in France and one
Speaker 1: definitely that's worth lotging.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean it's one of those where I think it's
Speaker 2: just because of France and German. The German one in
Speaker 2: particular may honestly be even bigger shock because, as you said,
Speaker 2: they have one of the most insane censorship industrial complexes
Speaker 2: in all of Europe. For example, the head of the AfD,
Speaker 2: they said like the term everyone for Germany because it
Speaker 2: was once used by stormtroopers in the Nazierra. They explicitly
Speaker 2: like outlawed and find him for the ability to which
Speaker 2: only made it more popular, you know, in East Germany.
Speaker 2: So their regime that they have there right now is
Speaker 2: really collapsing because it all was based on cheap Russian
Speaker 2: gas that was fueling their economy, and now that they're
Speaker 2: actually contracting the deal that the neoliberals had in the
Speaker 2: future and the deal that they had with the East
Speaker 2: Germans and with others for why they should remain in
Speaker 2: that has been completely imploded. Immigration also on top of that,
Speaker 2: which has been a major problem for them since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: So it sets themselves up for the eventuality. But regardless,
Speaker 2: I mean, the real reason we're paying attention is a
Speaker 2: it's kind of huge geopolitical consequences whoever wins, especially the
Speaker 2: French election. But then also it could be a precursor
Speaker 2: when we combine and look at what happened with Mody
Speaker 2: for here in the United States.
Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Europe could look three weeks from now or what is Yeah,
Speaker 2: three weeks from now, we could have a totally different
Speaker 2: Europe between the UK and between France and Germany.
Speaker 3: Just stunning.
Speaker 1: Speaking censorship. Let's get to what happened over at the Hill.
Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. Brianna Joy Gray her
Speaker 1: contract terminated at the Hill. She writes, it finally happened.
Speaker 1: The Hill has fired me. There should be no doubt
Speaker 1: that at Rising at the Hill has a clear pattern
Speaker 1: of suppressing speech, particularly when it's critical of the state
Speaker 1: of Israel. This is why they fired Katie Helper, it
Speaker 1: was only a matter of time before they fired me.
Speaker 1: She also shared the emails she received. Now she was
Speaker 1: not officially employeed, she was a contract under contract there,
Speaker 1: which was her choice to maintain her own flexibility as
Speaker 1: my understanding in any way, they say, Dearana Brianna Joy,
Speaker 1: which they misspelled her name, but anyway, ELT's put that aside.
Speaker 1: This is thirty days written notice that your consulting services
Speaker 1: agreement is being terminated pursuant to the provisions of Section
Speaker 1: five point three for convenience. Thank you for your contributions
Speaker 1: and we wish you the best in your future endeavors. Sincerely,
Speaker 1: years next to our Media Incorporated, you guys all know
Speaker 1: the backstory. We started rising, we were at the Hill.
Speaker 1: We left for variety reasons that you can go back
Speaker 1: and watch and took our show and pen and have
Speaker 1: been extremely happy with that choice. Worth mentioning as well
Speaker 1: that it's under different ownership than when we were there,
Speaker 1: so we only have so much insight into, you know,
Speaker 1: the workings over there at the Hill.
Speaker 5: At this point.
Speaker 1: That being said, it's important what she refers to their saga,
Speaker 1: which is that Katie Helper had previously starting under when
Speaker 1: we were there a rising. She'd been a contributor to
Speaker 1: the show. We had her on every week and that
Speaker 1: continued for some time after we left. She delivered a
Speaker 1: monologue prior this is way, prior to October seventh, that
Speaker 1: was critical of Israel, called it an apartheid state, and
Speaker 1: her contract was terminated. Not the time, Brianna was faced
Speaker 1: with a real sort of crisis of conscience, like do
Speaker 1: I stay at this place.
Speaker 5: I've been told I can say what I want.
Speaker 1: Do I stay at this place or do I say,
Speaker 1: you know, this crosses an ethical line for me. She
Speaker 1: delivered a monologue at the time and said, listen, they've
Speaker 1: said I can say what I want, and we're about
Speaker 1: to find out. And it took a while, but we
Speaker 1: did indeed find out. Brianna has been, you know, a
Speaker 1: fierce critic of Israel, and you know what she and
Speaker 1: I and many others see as the genocide they're committing
Speaker 1: against the Palestinians. And there had been a real effort
Speaker 1: that I'm sure you saw online to sager anything that
Speaker 1: she said that could be you know, clipped and used
Speaker 1: to make her look bad. There was a real sort
Speaker 1: of concerted effort to make her a problem for Next Star,
Speaker 1: and ultimately they were successful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all comes down to a clip, and okay,
Speaker 2: I'll say this about Brianna.
Speaker 3: She also embraced the fight. Let's let's be real.
Speaker 2: She enjoyed, she enjoyed hitting back at him, and they've
Speaker 2: they've all been toiling now for quite some time. Her
Speaker 2: critics in particular focused in on this clip where you
Speaker 2: had a family member of an Israeli hostage, where Brianna
Speaker 2: and her got into a disagreement during an interview that
Speaker 2: happened on Rising. Now, I want to be clear, you know,
Speaker 2: based upon our review of this, they had clipped out
Speaker 2: the video to show at the end Brianna getting frustrated
Speaker 2: and kind of rolling her eyes after being prompted about
Speaker 2: a disagreement that they had. When you watch the full clip,
Speaker 2: you could see that it was a pretty combative exchange,
Speaker 2: and it's a little bit more understandable exactly why this
Speaker 2: disposition was the way it was. So let's watch the
Speaker 2: full thing together and you can decide for yourself.
Speaker 6: If the world won't help us. We will see nine
Speaker 6: to eleven a second time in the US as well,
Speaker 6: but we can already see in the United States in Michigan, rallies.
Speaker 6: That's calling death to America, not condemning terror organizations in
Speaker 6: Israel or any other place. Impact is reflecting to your
Speaker 6: country as well.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to push back against the implication that
Speaker 4: in Michigan, which has the largest Muslim and air population
Speaker 4: in America, that there is any threat of terrorism from
Speaker 4: our own people. And I would like to clarify also
Speaker 4: that one of the rationale that was presented for nine
Speaker 4: to eleven was discussed with America's support of Israel's continued
Speaker 4: occupation of Palestine, so that's.
Speaker 5: Neither here nor there.
Speaker 4: I really do hope that METNYAHUO agrees and Israel agrees
Speaker 4: to the cease fire deal that could bring all the hostages,
Speaker 4: including your sister home, and I'm sure many people watching
Speaker 4: or are praying for her safety.
Speaker 5: Thank you, me too.
Speaker 6: And I really hope that you specifically will believe women
Speaker 6: when they say that they got hurt.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks for joining that.
Speaker 5: Stick around. More Risan coming up next.
Speaker 1: So I watched the entire interview was like twenty minutes long,
Speaker 1: and I watched all of it so I could see like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how was this going and Brianna also spoke to Glenn
Speaker 1: Greenwalden talked about how, you know, her moment of frustration
Speaker 1: at the end, there was much more directed towards her
Speaker 1: producers who booked this interview, and you know, put Brianna
Speaker 1: in what is really was really kind of an impossible
Speaker 1: situation because on the one hand, look, this is a
Speaker 1: sister of a hostage, Like on a human level, obviously
Speaker 1: you empathize, and Brianna does throughout the interview, and I
Speaker 1: empathize with what she's going through. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: you know, she made a lot of claims that just
Speaker 1: weren't accurate. And so Brianna has left with three choices.
Speaker 1: One she can sit down at the interview and then
Speaker 1: people are going to make a lot of that like, oh,
Speaker 1: you won't even talk to you know, the sister of
Speaker 1: a hostage, how to tear you. Number Two, she just
Speaker 1: sits there and lets a lot of misinformation be spread
Speaker 1: on this platform with you know, with no corrections and
Speaker 1: no pushback. Or number three, she tries to engage as
Speaker 1: she does and is accused of being insensitive to you know,
Speaker 1: a hostage family member.
Speaker 5: And so she.
Speaker 1: Really was put in a totally impossible situation here, which
Speaker 1: you know ends up with that very last part where
Speaker 1: there's like a half eye roll when the hostage sister says,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope you believe women. That comes with
Speaker 1: this whole I'll get into that as I that as
Speaker 1: a cold can of worms in and of itself. They
Speaker 1: clip out just that point to make it look like
Speaker 1: Brianna was being just outrageously insensitive to someone who you
Speaker 1: know is clearly going through a very traumatic experience. There
Speaker 1: was a whole online campaign. I really think they were
Speaker 1: trying to spin up like an advertiser boycott, and is
Speaker 1: right after this that Brianna is fired. And the bottom
Speaker 1: line is that the next Star media group was not
Speaker 1: comfortable with her views and her critique. I mean, she
Speaker 1: was hired to be an analyst and to give her opinion,
Speaker 1: but they didn't like her opinion and so that was
Speaker 1: a bridge too far for them. Another update from Brie
Speaker 1: that we can put up on.
Speaker 5: The screen here.
Speaker 1: So apparently there's now a coordinated campaign. Hundreds of she says,
Speaker 1: hundreds of Zionis have spammed the bad Faith account, apparently
Speaker 1: thinking it's Patreon trying to get me deplatformed from the
Speaker 1: app again. A foreign country targeting American journalist with the
Speaker 1: goal making it impossible to earn an income if you
Speaker 1: criticize Israel.
Speaker 5: And you can see scrolling on the.
Speaker 1: Screen hundreds of emails sent into the bad Faith account,
Speaker 1: all with the same headline concerns regarding Brianna Joy Gray's
Speaker 1: platform on Patreon, Deer Patreon, blah blah blah. So there's
Speaker 1: clearly some sort of a coordinated effort to now get
Speaker 1: her taken off of Patreon, and you don't cancel her
Speaker 1: there as well, and so as she moves and I
Speaker 1: have no doubt Briona is going to be successful. She's
Speaker 1: already successful in independent media right but now there's an
Speaker 1: effort to go after her ability to earn an income
Speaker 1: in independent media as well. And we can't say that
Speaker 1: that ultimately won't be successful. I mean, you were saying
Speaker 1: that Patreon's a big company that are going to be
Speaker 1: watching out for their.
Speaker 3: Bottom line story.
Speaker 2: The only reason is that Patreon. This is a little
Speaker 2: bit in the weeds, but stick with me.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 2: You don't get the same payment ownership of your business
Speaker 2: in the same way that a supercast which were previously
Speaker 2: on or the locals that we're currently own. The business
Speaker 2: relationship between us and our customers is one that Breaking
Speaker 2: Points owns, whereas the companies that we would use facilitate
Speaker 2: those transactions. Patreon, I believe, is different in terms of
Speaker 2: the credit card processing and all that. So if they
Speaker 2: KKO off, you don't necessarily retain a lot of your
Speaker 2: customer data. So that's number one, that's something I would
Speaker 2: be afraid of. But two, here's the real lesson too,
Speaker 2: in terms of about independent media you know and others.
Speaker 2: There ain't no producer over here forcing me to do
Speaker 2: anything I don't.
Speaker 5: Want to do.
Speaker 2: There's no producer getting booked on this or guess on
Speaker 2: this show. You know, that's forcing me to work in
Speaker 2: an environment where it's like somebody's setting you up, like
Speaker 2: you said, to fail and you're just showing up. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a very very odd dynamic ultimately too.
Speaker 3: Why a show like that? Again, no offense.
Speaker 2: I have nothing against the people who are there, but
Speaker 2: when you don't have total one hundred percent ownership and control,
Speaker 2: then it's like a battle and it's a war between
Speaker 2: you and the people who are or were are working for.
Speaker 2: That is a very very toxic dynamic. One which we
Speaker 2: can attest to a little bit having previously worked over there.
Speaker 2: So I think structurally it shows a lot of the
Speaker 2: issues with corporate media and or any media organization where
Speaker 2: talent is literally just the talent. It also just business
Speaker 2: advice to the people who are running it. You know,
Speaker 2: what do you think is going to happen over there?
Speaker 2: I mean, it took them years to recover their subscribership
Speaker 2: and views from whenever you and I left over at
Speaker 2: the Hill. Brianna has been hosting there now for years
Speaker 2: as well, you know, So I mean, you know, how
Speaker 2: do you how do you think this is going to
Speaker 2: work in terms of the trust in your audience, Like,
Speaker 2: you're not cable, you don't have a built in contract,
Speaker 2: you know, which keeps your profits locked in regardless of
Speaker 2: whether Tucker's on your show or not. This is a
Speaker 2: pure algorithmic audience based business.
Speaker 3: Like that's a very different sensation.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's where you don't know the market that
Speaker 2: you're working in my opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well they've cultivated this. I remember they also they fired
Speaker 1: Kim Iversoner.
Speaker 3: Know, she was fired too, she was fired to forget
Speaker 3: what does she do it? What was agen? She was?
Speaker 5: She was forced on Apalgy.
Speaker 2: That's another thing, though she was a host on the show,
Speaker 2: and she's kept off of a freaking interview.
Speaker 1: The thing it's like, you know, because of the way
Speaker 1: we designed Rising, the audience was very independent, you know,
Speaker 1: even though it's under a corporate umbrella, it was positioned
Speaker 1: as like an independent news show. And there's always there's
Speaker 1: always been tension over that. And obviously, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's new managements, new ownership, so it is different. But
Speaker 1: I think that fundamental dynamic I know enough to say
Speaker 1: is the same. And so at a certain point you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think this show makes a lot
Speaker 1: of money for them overall. If it makes money at all, I.
Speaker 3: Don't get that's business wise. I don't know how the
Speaker 3: hell they If.
Speaker 1: You hate your own like orientation and audience, then just
Speaker 1: canceled the like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: This was always confusing to me as well. But you know,
Speaker 1: Brianna's firing here, Katie Helper's firing mehdi hasn't I mean,
Speaker 1: how many people have we seen at this point? In
Speaker 1: particular in media, Nathan J. Robinson lost his Guardian column.
Speaker 1: Who have lost their jobs, specifically because they are Israel critics,
Speaker 1: very consistent, and you know, again Glenn talks about this
Speaker 1: at nauseum. But I think it's worth pointing out a
Speaker 1: lot of people made a lot of money pretending they
Speaker 1: were free speech warriors and always and it's just very
Speaker 1: obvious now had a giant Israel carunt exception. So Brianna
Speaker 1: here ultimately, you know, ultimately fired for her point of view.
Speaker 1: One thing I just wanted to take note of is
Speaker 1: that probably the most controversial thing that Brianna has talked
Speaker 1: about is the narrative pushed by the Israeli government and
Speaker 1: picked up by President Joe Biden and by all mainstream makers.
Speaker 1: Basically is the narrative of the rape used systematically as
Speaker 1: a weapon of war on October seventh. And we now
Speaker 1: have a new report from the Times of London which
Speaker 1: backs up Brianna, backs up those who have said, listen, maybe,
Speaker 1: but we need to see evidence, and there hasn't been
Speaker 1: evidence offered yet. Let's put this up on the screen.
Speaker 1: They really dug in to what evident there is at
Speaker 1: this point, and obviously this is as sensitive and as
Speaker 1: political an issue as there possibly could be. Their headline
Speaker 1: here Israel says Hamas Weaboni's rape. Does the evidence add up?
Speaker 1: They talk about the Patent report from the UN, which
Speaker 1: was not meant to be a full investigation. In fact,
Speaker 1: she called for there to be a full investigation. Israel
Speaker 1: has denied that request.
Speaker 5: They right here.
Speaker 1: Patent made it clear there was sufficient evidence of acts
Speaker 1: of sexual violence to merit full and proper investigation and
Speaker 1: expressed her shock at the brutality of the violence. The
Speaker 1: report also confirmed Israeli authorities were unable to provide much
Speaker 1: of the evidence that political leaders had insisted existed. In
Speaker 1: all the Hamas video footage Patent's team had watched and
Speaker 1: all the photographs they had seen, there were no depictions
Speaker 1: of rape. We hired a leading Israeli dark web researcher,
Speaker 1: Patented to look for evidence of those images, including footage
Speaker 1: deleted from public sources.
Speaker 5: None could be found.
Speaker 1: With regard to October seventh, specifically, there hasn't been in
Speaker 1: this is again confirmed in this Times of London report.
Speaker 1: There hasn't been a single firsthand eye witness. There has
Speaker 1: been not one survivor who has come forward. Now, perhaps
Speaker 1: that's because many people who you know could have been
Speaker 1: raped on that day they're dead, so they're not there
Speaker 1: to come forward. But the claim from the Israeli government
Speaker 1: was directly made to Patent herself that there were hundreds
Speaker 1: or thousands of instances, and yet they weren't able to
Speaker 1: provide a single piece of forensic.
Speaker 5: Or visual video evidence.
Speaker 1: You know, at this point you have to say that
Speaker 1: is quite remarkable, and you know clearly the initial claims
Speaker 1: are not supported by the evidence. That's the point that
Speaker 1: Brian has been making very controversial, as a point I've
Speaker 1: been making very controversial because no one wants to be
Speaker 1: in the position of picking the atrocities that happen on
Speaker 1: that day. But to go back to the eye Roll
Speaker 1: video from Brianna, you know, part of when the sister
Speaker 1: of the hostage says, I want you to believe women.
Speaker 1: Part of why there's an exasperation there is because there's
Speaker 1: a lot that is behind that. And in fact, they
Speaker 1: interviewed a woman who's the head of a rape crisis
Speaker 1: center in Israel and she said, I did not think
Speaker 1: that it was sensible for the Israeli government to go
Speaker 1: forward with this online hashtag campaign that was hashtag believe
Speaker 1: Israeli Women. I did not think that was sensible, she says,
Speaker 1: because they didn't mean believe Israeli women, they meant believe israel. Again,
Speaker 1: this is the head of an Israeli rape crisis center,
Speaker 1: someone who takes allegations of sexual assault very seriously, who
Speaker 1: had a major issue with this because it wasn't ultimately
Speaker 1: about believing Israeli women. It is about believing israel And
Speaker 1: so you know, that is the context that when Brianna
Speaker 1: is tried to, like, you believe Israeli women, Well, there
Speaker 1: hasn't been an Israeli woman who has come forward to
Speaker 1: claim that she was a victim of sexual assault on
Speaker 1: that day. So I thought it was important to mention
Speaker 1: that as well. That on the you know, I think
Speaker 1: the day after her firing, she was really vindicated by
Speaker 1: a mainstream publication that looked into this and said, you know,
Speaker 1: so far, at least the evidence of rape as a
Speaker 1: systemic tool weapon of war used by Hamas on October seventh,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't exist absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean, in terms of how this is all played out,
Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous. I actually think this has been
Speaker 2: an important event, I hope, at least in terms of
Speaker 2: how people who can be skeptical of Israel can see
Speaker 2: how this always I think should apply to a lot
Speaker 2: of these public adjudications. And I do think it's really
Speaker 2: gross watching this like woke acceptance of like believe Israeli women.
Speaker 2: It's like, what, First of all, what does that even mean?
Speaker 2: And then second, like you said, there's reams of evidence
Speaker 2: now at this point that at the very least of
Speaker 2: the claim of like use of war and all that
Speaker 2: is obviously exaggerated, if not outright completely false, and is
Speaker 2: being used as part of a campaign to basically justify
Speaker 2: to be able to kill whoemever you want, because then
Speaker 2: it turns into some sort of like medieval conflict as
Speaker 2: opposed to one in the twenty first century. So look,
Speaker 2: I think Brianna, like I said, Brianna enjoys the fight,
Speaker 2: and she's strimmed back down. Yeah, she certainly engages in
Speaker 2: it with a lot of these people, and they are
Speaker 2: certainly you know, rising to the occasion as well. But
Speaker 2: I mean, in this particular case, when you watch it
Speaker 2: in a certain sense here, you got to put just
Speaker 2: as a host, I can put myself in her shoe
Speaker 2: if you have a guest on who's goading me?
Speaker 3: You know, at a certain point, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, all right, dude, get the fuck out of here,
Speaker 2: you know, no matter who you are, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to try my best to be sensitive and all that.
Speaker 2: But that also is like poor form in terms of
Speaker 2: how the other person's conducting herself, regardless of how sympathetic
Speaker 2: she should be the outset from the conversation, and that
Speaker 2: to relationships should be one of mutual respect, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And if she's not goating her, then you know there's
Speaker 2: no reason for her to do the same thing. But
Speaker 2: then to weaponize your identity, which is basically what happened.
Speaker 2: People said, oh, look at her, or she's disrespecting the
Speaker 2: you know, hot sister or whatever. It is really hostage.
Speaker 2: That's bullshit. When you watch the full thing, it's not right.
Speaker 2: So no, she shouldn't have been fired, you know, speak
Speaker 2: up like Robbie, her co host, apparently disagreed with the decision.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen what he but it's true. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: disagreed with that.
Speaker 1: He die. Man, They get into it, so I can empathize.
Speaker 1: I get it, Robert staying consistent with his right.
Speaker 2: He's sticking to his guns. But this is it's irreconcilable folks.
Speaker 2: To anybody who is out there who is working in
Speaker 2: corporate this is going to happen. It may be Israel,
Speaker 2: it could be something else.
Speaker 3: You never know.
Speaker 2: So if you're taking a check from somebody with the
Speaker 2: you know, ten figure bottom line or something like that,
Speaker 2: this is basically inevitable. Or you work for the man,
Speaker 2: and you better know that about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't think that it's wrong for
Speaker 1: people to who are independent minded to work in a
Speaker 1: mainstream space. You just have to, like, you need to
Speaker 1: know there's going.
Speaker 5: To be an expiration day. If you remain true to yourself,
Speaker 5: there's going to be an expiration day.
Speaker 1: So, like, you know, I can see the case for yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want, for as long as possible my views
Speaker 1: to be heard in a mainstream cond I understand that, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable rationale. I think it's I
Speaker 1: actually agree with some of that rationale. But there will
Speaker 1: come a limit, and this is one of the lines
Speaker 1: that you are not.
Speaker 5: Allowed to cross.
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say again is I think Brianna,
Speaker 1: you know, she's fantastically intelligent and talented, et cetera, already
Speaker 1: has a large following she's got to be fine and
Speaker 1: will certainly support her here and whatever her next endeavors
Speaker 1: look like. But for people who aren't as established as.
Speaker 3: Her, Yeah, that's that's the feeling, and aren't.
Speaker 1: Also don't have the content like Brianna has the type
Speaker 1: of constitution where.
Speaker 5: She can take these attacks.
Speaker 1: She's been taking these attacks, you know, she she handles
Speaker 1: them very well.
Speaker 5: She doesn't back down.
Speaker 1: If you don't have that type of constitution too, Like,
Speaker 1: it does have a chilling effect where people they you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about them. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Times of London report. They
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about getting to the truth of
Speaker 1: you know, things that happen and didn't happen on October seventh,
Speaker 1: or sorting through IDF fact from fiction, et cetera. These
Speaker 1: are very sensitive, difficult topics and they'll look at this
Speaker 1: as yet another example and cautionary tale of you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 5: So that's for the chilling up.
Speaker 2: That that is very very true, and that is one where
Speaker 2: you should worry about people who are like twenty one,
Speaker 2: twenty two years old going to go take a work
Speaker 2: in the business and get established. You learn the rules
Speaker 2: of how to get ahead very quickly. Anybody who works
Speaker 2: in an office, you guys know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: You see somebody get fired for something, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: better not do that. So that's one of that is
Speaker 2: a lesson, and that has downstream overall effects. That's what
Speaker 2: Noam Chomsky really talks about in the way that the
Speaker 2: media is totally rigged.
Speaker 3: So there you go. All right, thank you guys so
Speaker 3: much for watching. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Like we said, we've got a big rhyme story that's
Speaker 2: coming up later in the day, so stay tuned for
Speaker 2: that and we'll see you all later