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Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of

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Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election.

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Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means

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Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support.

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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 2: There's been some movement, I guess in the polls, not

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Speaker 2: really though, at least we're learning a little bit about

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Speaker 2: how people feel about the Trump conviction and how it

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Speaker 2: might impact the election. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. This is the latest really in depth one

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Speaker 2: from CBS News. You can see there in the national polls,

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Speaker 2: Trump is actually leading Biden at fifty to forty nine,

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Speaker 2: but in the battlegrounds, somehow Biden is leading Trump at

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Speaker 2: fifty to forty nine. This could set us up, Chrystal

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Speaker 2: for a potential nightmare scenario where Biden somehow wins the

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Speaker 2: electoral college but Trump wins the popular vote. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine the stop the steel will come out of that one,

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Speaker 2: and then the changes of in tune on how people

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Speaker 2: feel about the electoral college. I personally would like enjoy

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Speaker 2: that one. Let's go to the next one, though, for

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Speaker 2: how this actually looks. Trump conviction and it's factor in

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Speaker 2: your vote.

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Speaker 3: Important.

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Speaker 2: Keep this in mind, this is actual likely voters. Twenty

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Speaker 2: eight percent say major factor, seventeen percent minor factor fifty

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Speaker 2: five percent, not a factor. Now, what are the actual

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Speaker 2: major factors, you may ask, Let's put this up there.

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Speaker 3: On the screen.

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Speaker 2: Well, eighty one percent, the economy seventy five percent, inflation

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Speaker 2: seventy four percent, quote unquote, state of democracy, then crime, border,

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Speaker 2: gun policy, Trump conviction a wopping twenty eight percent compared

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Speaker 2: to the economy of eighty one percent.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part.

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Speaker 2: Please, just to show people in terms of the registered voters,

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Speaker 2: keep in mind, registered very very different than likely. And

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Speaker 2: they say, here, how would you describe them in terms

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Speaker 2: of the actual like in terms of the candidates, tough,

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Speaker 2: sixty six percent say Trump is tough, Twenty eight percent

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Speaker 3: Biden, They've got it.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of old people in this country, they're

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Speaker 2: the ones we're saying it effective eight thirty eight percent

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Speaker 2: Biden is effective, fifty two percent say Trump is effective. Competent,

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Speaker 2: you have forty percent on Biden forty nine percent for

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Speaker 2: Trump compassionate. This is the only category where Biden actually

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Speaker 2: that that fifty two is a lot lower than it

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Speaker 2: high seventies in the past, and it was actually one

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Speaker 2: of his major strengths. You know, the whole cares about

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Speaker 2: people like me. Let's go to the next part. Please,

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Speaker 2: just to continue a little bit. Biden's executive order on

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Speaker 2: terms of the policy. And then finally, let's go to

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Speaker 2: the next one and just show everybody choice for president

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Speaker 2: if higher prices have been your hardship.

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Speaker 3: This is a very important one. Amongst likely voters.

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Speaker 2: Seventy percent nearly seventy percent sixty nine say for Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is their choice if higher prices have been hardship.

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Speaker 2: So clearly, people who are feeling the economic squeeze want.

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Speaker 3: The change candidate.

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Speaker 2: This fixes with this fits with why we see movement

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Speaker 1: I mean, overall, Trump still beats Biden with older voters,

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Speaker 5: One thing that they do note is that of the.

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Speaker 1: People who say they're voting for Joe Biden as like

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Speaker 1: you know, in that way, the Trump convictions have bolstered

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Speaker 1: But it's it's pretty marginal. It's pretty marginal, and the

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Speaker 1: other issue set seem to be more important, you know.

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Speaker 1: Also interesting Zagara on the immigration thing, I think you

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Speaker 1: It's not like they that flipped them over to the

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Speaker 3: Biden is just all in the margins game at this point.

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Speaker 2: His best hope is that he can keep a little

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Speaker 3: He's got to hold on to Nevada though.

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Speaker 2: Nevada is a genuine, actual battleground now at this point,

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Speaker 2: and it's a real problem because those electoral votes really

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Speaker 2: count to his possibility for winning. Trump just did a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, falling out because of the heat. There were a

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Speaker 2: There, yeah, please please be careful. Bring water if you're

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Speaker 2: ever going to attend an event like that. Let's put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen, they say, in terms

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Speaker 2: the right race either quote unchanged or moving slightly in

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way to really know exactly what

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Speaker 2: given the nature of the charges and more. There was

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Speaker 2: a temporary spike of Google interest in is Trump going

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Speaker 2: and I guess we're right back to fundamentals. So well,

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Speaker 2: you know, really, I think the nature of the race

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Speaker 3: I mean, Biden's got to do something.

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Speaker 2: We're not that far away from election day and he's

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Speaker 2: still in near coin toss territory.

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Speaker 3: Although I would personally give the edge to Trump right now.

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Speaker 1: I think the cope slash hope for Democratic Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: supporters at this point is like, maybe Trump will get

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Speaker 1: the majority of voters, fifty one percent see it as

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Speaker 1: small edge there. If you see it as a judgment

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Speaker 1: you know, they really want to make it a referendum

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Speaker 2: Trump, right exactly, And I think that's really all it

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Speaker 2: They recognize they have a problem with young voters, so

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Speaker 2: they have recruited Hollywood veterans and Biden alums to launch

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Speaker 2: a super pack called Won't Pack Down, with a budget

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Speaker 2: octagenarian candidate to disillusioned and hard to reach voters who

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Speaker 2: are under thirty years old. These movie industry creatives have

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know what, Big I don't either.

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Speaker 2: Have been meeting monthly for the last half year in

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Speaker 2: pitching thirty to ninety second influencer style reels that could

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Speaker 2: run everywhere to highly produced scripted ads. The group's first

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Speaker 2: ads will appear on social media and streaming platforms, expected

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Speaker 2: to drop in July, so everybody can look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: If you don't pay for those premium versus streaming services, folks,

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Speaker 2: now's the time to sign up, because I do not

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be kind of entertaining for

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Speaker 2: It's like two extra dollars a month, right, and you

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Speaker 2: don't have to watch any of this stuff. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: clearly they know they problem with voters under thirty. You

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Speaker 2: can see very clearly. It's also funny too, if you

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Speaker 2: pack down.

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Speaker 5: It's like you fail, you failed on the first count.

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Speaker 3: You had one job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, they think they have a messaging problem,

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Speaker 5: That's the bottom line. So it's not a mystery.

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Speaker 1: So he says number one, obviously this comes after disasterrous

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Speaker 2: be French. And then at the same time, their French

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Speaker 2: Empire was one in which all of their colonial subjects

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Speaker 2: were considered explicitly French, and thus you know, we're able

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Speaker 2: to move to the country. So not exactly working out

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Speaker 2: for them in that way, and they have all kinds

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Speaker 2: of issues in terms of how they look at who

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Speaker 2: really is this is in etc. The other problem I

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Speaker 2: think is that's overlaying all this is Ukraine is that

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Speaker 2: let's not forget that Germany and France are two of

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Speaker 2: the most hawkish nations today I mean outside of Britain

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Speaker 2: and the United States, but broadly have been part of

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Speaker 2: the very pro NATO position against Ukraine, especially lately and

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Speaker 2: with France. Well, Lepen and the AfD in Germany have

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Speaker 2: a very different view of the conflict. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the stuff that we've been talking about here about how

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Speaker 2: their economies are getting decimated. I mean, especially if you're German,

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Speaker 2: you have paid probably a twenty twenty five percent tax

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Speaker 2: just because of Ukraine. In terms of overall inflation, another

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Speaker 2: thing people don't really know is that here in the

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Speaker 2: United States we have thirty year fixed rate mortgages, so

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Speaker 2: inflation central bank rates don't affect our housing as much.

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Speaker 2: In Europe, it's actually not common at all. You have

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Speaker 2: like five year adjustable rate mortgages, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people's mortgages have spiked recently because of the Central Bank

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Speaker 2: increasing their interest rates. So in the UK, for example,

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Speaker 2: you have some people who are paying almost double or

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Speaker 2: triple and the same thing is happening in Germany and

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Speaker 2: I believe in France as well, so massive like high inflation,

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Speaker 2: housing costs. The explicit effects of the Ukraine thing are

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Speaker 2: being felt much more deeply, and a lot of it

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Speaker 2: is also a protest vote against Brussels and against the

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Speaker 2: way that they are handling it. You saw the celebration

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Speaker 2: of this result by Victor Orbon last night in Hungary.

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Speaker 2: He's like, this is a direct message to the European Union.

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Speaker 3: He's like, you guys need to stop this.

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Speaker 2: So I do think this will really fracture regardless of

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Speaker 2: you know, they could stay in power, Schultz and Macron,

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Speaker 2: but the pressures that they're feeling now it's going to

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Speaker 2: constrain of their future ability to move in the directions

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Speaker 2: that they wanted to.

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Speaker 1: There's also an increasing divide between the French political leade

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Speaker 1: and German political lead and their orientation with regard to Israel.

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Speaker 1: I was just looking at a where you know, the

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Speaker 1: German public and Germany has been a very staunch supporter

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Speaker 1: of Israel, and like the censorship crackdown in Germany has

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Speaker 1: been insane for anyone who's remotely pro Palestine. The public

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Speaker 1: is not on board with this anymore. They've completely flipped,

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Speaker 1: you know, who they feel more sympathetic towards, and it's

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Speaker 1: been an astonishing reversal over the course of this war.

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Speaker 1: So there's also a divide between how the public feels

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Speaker 1: and how the political class has you know, had unconditional

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Speaker 1: support for the Israel's.

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Speaker 5: Assault on Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's a lot brewing here, but there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt that voters, you know, meant this as a rebuke

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Speaker 1: on I think a wide variety of issues, both economic,

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Speaker 1: foreign policy, domestic immigration, et cetera. And listen, sometimes these

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Speaker 1: things are one off. Sometimes they are not really indicative

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Speaker 1: of something that's going on in our political our domestic

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Speaker 1: political affairs. Here you could look at other you could

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Speaker 1: look at you know, AMLO's popularity on the left, and

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Speaker 1: then and Claudia Scheinbaum coming in and you know, his

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Speaker 1: basically who he wanted to succeed him in same party whatever,

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Speaker 1: and that was a sort of vote in favor of continuity,

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Speaker 1: and it was a strong showing for the left, although

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Speaker 1: more of a much more populous left, not the neoliberal

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Speaker 1: macron version. So there are other contradictory signals, but this

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Speaker 1: is a this is an earthquake in France and one

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Speaker 1: definitely that's worth lotging.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's one of those where I think it's

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Speaker 2: just because of France and German. The German one in

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Speaker 2: particular may honestly be even bigger shock because, as you said,

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Speaker 2: they have one of the most insane censorship industrial complexes

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Speaker 2: in all of Europe. For example, the head of the AfD,

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Speaker 2: they said like the term everyone for Germany because it

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Speaker 2: was once used by stormtroopers in the Nazierra. They explicitly

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Speaker 2: like outlawed and find him for the ability to which

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Speaker 2: only made it more popular, you know, in East Germany.

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Speaker 2: So their regime that they have there right now is

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Speaker 2: really collapsing because it all was based on cheap Russian

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Speaker 2: gas that was fueling their economy, and now that they're

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Speaker 2: actually contracting the deal that the neoliberals had in the

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Speaker 2: future and the deal that they had with the East

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Speaker 2: Germans and with others for why they should remain in

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Speaker 2: that has been completely imploded. Immigration also on top of that,

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Speaker 2: which has been a major problem for them since twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: So it sets themselves up for the eventuality. But regardless,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the real reason we're paying attention is a

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Speaker 2: it's kind of huge geopolitical consequences whoever wins, especially the

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Speaker 2: French election. But then also it could be a precursor

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Speaker 2: when we combine and look at what happened with Mody

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Speaker 2: for here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: So it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Europe could look three weeks from now or what is Yeah,

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Speaker 2: three weeks from now, we could have a totally different

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Speaker 2: Europe between the UK and between France and Germany.

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Speaker 3: Just stunning.

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Speaker 1: Speaking censorship. Let's get to what happened over at the Hill.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. Brianna Joy Gray her

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Speaker 1: contract terminated at the Hill. She writes, it finally happened.

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Speaker 1: The Hill has fired me. There should be no doubt

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Speaker 1: that at Rising at the Hill has a clear pattern

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Speaker 1: of suppressing speech, particularly when it's critical of the state

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Speaker 1: of Israel. This is why they fired Katie Helper, it

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Speaker 1: was only a matter of time before they fired me.

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Speaker 1: She also shared the emails she received. Now she was

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Speaker 1: not officially employeed, she was a contract under contract there,

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Speaker 1: which was her choice to maintain her own flexibility as

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Speaker 1: my understanding in any way, they say, Dearana Brianna Joy,

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Speaker 1: which they misspelled her name, but anyway, ELT's put that aside.

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Speaker 1: This is thirty days written notice that your consulting services

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Speaker 1: agreement is being terminated pursuant to the provisions of Section

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Speaker 1: five point three for convenience. Thank you for your contributions

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Speaker 1: and we wish you the best in your future endeavors. Sincerely,

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Speaker 1: years next to our Media Incorporated, you guys all know

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Speaker 1: the backstory. We started rising, we were at the Hill.

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Speaker 1: We left for variety reasons that you can go back

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Speaker 1: and watch and took our show and pen and have

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Speaker 1: been extremely happy with that choice. Worth mentioning as well

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Speaker 1: that it's under different ownership than when we were there,

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Speaker 1: so we only have so much insight into, you know,

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Speaker 1: the workings over there at the Hill.

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Speaker 5: At this point.

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Speaker 1: That being said, it's important what she refers to their saga,

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Speaker 1: which is that Katie Helper had previously starting under when

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Speaker 1: we were there a rising. She'd been a contributor to

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Speaker 1: the show. We had her on every week and that

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Speaker 1: continued for some time after we left. She delivered a

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Speaker 1: monologue prior this is way, prior to October seventh, that

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Speaker 1: was critical of Israel, called it an apartheid state, and

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Speaker 1: her contract was terminated. Not the time, Brianna was faced

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Speaker 1: with a real sort of crisis of conscience, like do

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Speaker 1: I stay at this place.

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Speaker 5: I've been told I can say what I want.

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Speaker 1: Do I stay at this place or do I say,

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Speaker 1: you know, this crosses an ethical line for me. She

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Speaker 1: delivered a monologue at the time and said, listen, they've

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Speaker 1: said I can say what I want, and we're about

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Speaker 1: to find out. And it took a while, but we

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Speaker 1: did indeed find out. Brianna has been, you know, a

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Speaker 1: fierce critic of Israel, and you know what she and

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Speaker 1: I and many others see as the genocide they're committing

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Speaker 1: against the Palestinians. And there had been a real effort

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Speaker 1: that I'm sure you saw online to sager anything that

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Speaker 1: she said that could be you know, clipped and used

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Speaker 1: to make her look bad. There was a real sort

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Speaker 1: of concerted effort to make her a problem for Next Star,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately they were successful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it all comes down to a clip, and okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll say this about Brianna.

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Speaker 3: She also embraced the fight. Let's let's be real.

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Speaker 2: She enjoyed, she enjoyed hitting back at him, and they've

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Speaker 2: they've all been toiling now for quite some time. Her

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Speaker 2: critics in particular focused in on this clip where you

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Speaker 2: had a family member of an Israeli hostage, where Brianna

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Speaker 2: and her got into a disagreement during an interview that

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Speaker 2: happened on Rising. Now, I want to be clear, you know,

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Speaker 2: based upon our review of this, they had clipped out

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Speaker 2: the video to show at the end Brianna getting frustrated

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Speaker 2: and kind of rolling her eyes after being prompted about

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Speaker 2: a disagreement that they had. When you watch the full clip,

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Speaker 2: you could see that it was a pretty combative exchange,

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Speaker 2: and it's a little bit more understandable exactly why this

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Speaker 2: disposition was the way it was. So let's watch the

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Speaker 2: full thing together and you can decide for yourself.

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Speaker 6: If the world won't help us. We will see nine

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Speaker 6: to eleven a second time in the US as well,

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Speaker 6: but we can already see in the United States in Michigan, rallies.

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Speaker 6: That's calling death to America, not condemning terror organizations in

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Speaker 6: Israel or any other place. Impact is reflecting to your

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Speaker 6: country as well.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to push back against the implication that

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Speaker 4: in Michigan, which has the largest Muslim and air population

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Speaker 4: in America, that there is any threat of terrorism from

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Speaker 4: our own people. And I would like to clarify also

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Speaker 4: that one of the rationale that was presented for nine

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Speaker 4: to eleven was discussed with America's support of Israel's continued

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Speaker 4: occupation of Palestine, so that's.

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Speaker 5: Neither here nor there.

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Speaker 4: I really do hope that METNYAHUO agrees and Israel agrees

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Speaker 4: to the cease fire deal that could bring all the hostages,

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Speaker 4: including your sister home, and I'm sure many people watching

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Speaker 4: or are praying for her safety.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, me too.

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Speaker 6: And I really hope that you specifically will believe women

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Speaker 6: when they say that they got hurt.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks for joining that.

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Speaker 5: Stick around. More Risan coming up next.

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Speaker 1: So I watched the entire interview was like twenty minutes long,

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Speaker 1: and I watched all of it so I could see like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how was this going and Brianna also spoke to Glenn

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Speaker 1: Greenwalden talked about how, you know, her moment of frustration

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Speaker 1: at the end, there was much more directed towards her

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Speaker 1: producers who booked this interview, and you know, put Brianna

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Speaker 1: in what is really was really kind of an impossible

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Speaker 1: situation because on the one hand, look, this is a

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Speaker 1: sister of a hostage, Like on a human level, obviously

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Speaker 1: you empathize, and Brianna does throughout the interview, and I

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Speaker 1: empathize with what she's going through. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: you know, she made a lot of claims that just

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Speaker 1: weren't accurate. And so Brianna has left with three choices.

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Speaker 1: One she can sit down at the interview and then

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Speaker 1: people are going to make a lot of that like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you won't even talk to you know, the sister of

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Speaker 1: a hostage, how to tear you. Number Two, she just

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Speaker 1: sits there and lets a lot of misinformation be spread

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Speaker 1: on this platform with you know, with no corrections and

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Speaker 1: no pushback. Or number three, she tries to engage as

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Speaker 1: she does and is accused of being insensitive to you know,

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Speaker 1: a hostage family member.

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Speaker 5: And so she.

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Speaker 1: Really was put in a totally impossible situation here, which

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Speaker 1: you know ends up with that very last part where

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Speaker 1: there's like a half eye roll when the hostage sister says,

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope you believe women. That comes with

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Speaker 1: this whole I'll get into that as I that as

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Speaker 1: a cold can of worms in and of itself. They

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Speaker 1: clip out just that point to make it look like

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Speaker 1: Brianna was being just outrageously insensitive to someone who you

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Speaker 1: know is clearly going through a very traumatic experience. There

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Speaker 1: was a whole online campaign. I really think they were

662
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Speaker 1: trying to spin up like an advertiser boycott, and is

663
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Speaker 1: right after this that Brianna is fired. And the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is that the next Star media group was not

665
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Speaker 1: comfortable with her views and her critique. I mean, she

666
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Speaker 1: was hired to be an analyst and to give her opinion,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't like her opinion and so that was

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Speaker 1: a bridge too far for them. Another update from Brie

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Speaker 1: that we can put up on.

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Speaker 5: The screen here.

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Speaker 1: So apparently there's now a coordinated campaign. Hundreds of she says,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of Zionis have spammed the bad Faith account, apparently

673
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Speaker 1: thinking it's Patreon trying to get me deplatformed from the

674
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Speaker 1: app again. A foreign country targeting American journalist with the

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Speaker 1: goal making it impossible to earn an income if you

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Speaker 1: criticize Israel.

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Speaker 5: And you can see scrolling on the.

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Speaker 1: Screen hundreds of emails sent into the bad Faith account,

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Speaker 1: all with the same headline concerns regarding Brianna Joy Gray's

680
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: platform on Patreon, Deer Patreon, blah blah blah. So there's

681
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Speaker 1: clearly some sort of a coordinated effort to now get

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Speaker 1: her taken off of Patreon, and you don't cancel her

683
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Speaker 1: there as well, and so as she moves and I

684
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Speaker 1: have no doubt Briona is going to be successful. She's

685
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Speaker 1: already successful in independent media right but now there's an

686
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Speaker 1: effort to go after her ability to earn an income

687
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Speaker 1: in independent media as well. And we can't say that

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Speaker 1: that ultimately won't be successful. I mean, you were saying

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Speaker 1: that Patreon's a big company that are going to be

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Speaker 1: watching out for their.

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Speaker 3: Bottom line story.

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Speaker 2: The only reason is that Patreon. This is a little

693
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Speaker 2: bit in the weeds, but stick with me.

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Speaker 3: They don't.

695
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Speaker 2: You don't get the same payment ownership of your business

696
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Speaker 2: in the same way that a supercast which were previously

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Speaker 2: on or the locals that we're currently own. The business

698
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Speaker 2: relationship between us and our customers is one that Breaking

699
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Speaker 2: Points owns, whereas the companies that we would use facilitate

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Speaker 2: those transactions. Patreon, I believe, is different in terms of

701
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Speaker 2: the credit card processing and all that. So if they

702
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Speaker 2: KKO off, you don't necessarily retain a lot of your

703
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Speaker 2: customer data. So that's number one, that's something I would

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Speaker 2: be afraid of. But two, here's the real lesson too,

705
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Speaker 2: in terms of about independent media you know and others.

706
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Speaker 2: There ain't no producer over here forcing me to do

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Speaker 2: anything I don't.

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Speaker 5: Want to do.

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Speaker 2: There's no producer getting booked on this or guess on

710
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Speaker 2: this show. You know, that's forcing me to work in

711
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: an environment where it's like somebody's setting you up, like

712
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Speaker 2: you said, to fail and you're just showing up. I mean,

713
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Speaker 2: that's a very very odd dynamic ultimately too.

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Speaker 3: Why a show like that? Again, no offense.

715
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Speaker 2: I have nothing against the people who are there, but

716
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Speaker 2: when you don't have total one hundred percent ownership and control,

717
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Speaker 2: then it's like a battle and it's a war between

718
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Speaker 2: you and the people who are or were are working for.

719
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Speaker 2: That is a very very toxic dynamic. One which we

720
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Speaker 2: can attest to a little bit having previously worked over there.

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Speaker 2: So I think structurally it shows a lot of the

722
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Speaker 2: issues with corporate media and or any media organization where

723
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 2: talent is literally just the talent. It also just business

724
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Speaker 2: advice to the people who are running it. You know,

725
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Speaker 2: what do you think is going to happen over there?

726
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Speaker 2: I mean, it took them years to recover their subscribership

727
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: and views from whenever you and I left over at

728
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Speaker 2: the Hill. Brianna has been hosting there now for years

729
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: as well, you know, So I mean, you know, how

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Speaker 2: do you how do you think this is going to

731
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Speaker 2: work in terms of the trust in your audience, Like,

732
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Speaker 2: you're not cable, you don't have a built in contract,

733
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Speaker 2: you know, which keeps your profits locked in regardless of

734
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Speaker 2: whether Tucker's on your show or not. This is a

735
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Speaker 2: pure algorithmic audience based business.

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Speaker 3: Like that's a very different sensation.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, that's where you don't know the market that

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Speaker 2: you're working in my opinion, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well they've cultivated this. I remember they also they fired

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Speaker 1: Kim Iversoner.

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Speaker 3: Know, she was fired too, she was fired to forget

742
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Speaker 3: what does she do it? What was agen? She was?

743
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Speaker 5: She was forced on Apalgy.

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Speaker 2: That's another thing, though she was a host on the show,

745
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Speaker 2: and she's kept off of a freaking interview.

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Speaker 1: The thing it's like, you know, because of the way

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00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: we designed Rising, the audience was very independent, you know,

748
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Speaker 1: even though it's under a corporate umbrella, it was positioned

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Speaker 1: as like an independent news show. And there's always there's

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Speaker 1: always been tension over that. And obviously, like I said,

751
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Speaker 1: it's new managements, new ownership, so it is different. But

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Speaker 1: I think that fundamental dynamic I know enough to say

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Speaker 1: is the same. And so at a certain point you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think this show makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of money for them overall. If it makes money at all, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't get that's business wise. I don't know how the

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Speaker 3: hell they If.

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Speaker 1: You hate your own like orientation and audience, then just

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Speaker 1: canceled the like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: This was always confusing to me as well. But you know,

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Speaker 1: Brianna's firing here, Katie Helper's firing mehdi hasn't I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many people have we seen at this point? In

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Speaker 1: particular in media, Nathan J. Robinson lost his Guardian column.

765
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Speaker 1: Who have lost their jobs, specifically because they are Israel critics,

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Speaker 1: very consistent, and you know, again Glenn talks about this

767
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Speaker 1: at nauseum. But I think it's worth pointing out a

768
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Speaker 1: lot of people made a lot of money pretending they

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Speaker 1: were free speech warriors and always and it's just very

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Speaker 1: obvious now had a giant Israel carunt exception. So Brianna

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Speaker 1: here ultimately, you know, ultimately fired for her point of view.

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Speaker 1: One thing I just wanted to take note of is

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Speaker 1: that probably the most controversial thing that Brianna has talked

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Speaker 1: about is the narrative pushed by the Israeli government and

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Speaker 1: picked up by President Joe Biden and by all mainstream makers.

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Speaker 1: Basically is the narrative of the rape used systematically as

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Speaker 1: a weapon of war on October seventh. And we now

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Speaker 1: have a new report from the Times of London which

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Speaker 1: backs up Brianna, backs up those who have said, listen, maybe,

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Speaker 1: but we need to see evidence, and there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: evidence offered yet. Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: They really dug in to what evident there is at

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Speaker 1: this point, and obviously this is as sensitive and as

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Speaker 1: political an issue as there possibly could be. Their headline

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Speaker 1: here Israel says Hamas Weaboni's rape. Does the evidence add up?

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Speaker 1: They talk about the Patent report from the UN, which

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Speaker 1: was not meant to be a full investigation. In fact,

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Speaker 1: she called for there to be a full investigation. Israel

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Speaker 1: has denied that request.

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Speaker 5: They right here.

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Speaker 1: Patent made it clear there was sufficient evidence of acts

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Speaker 1: of sexual violence to merit full and proper investigation and

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Speaker 1: expressed her shock at the brutality of the violence. The

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Speaker 1: report also confirmed Israeli authorities were unable to provide much

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Speaker 1: of the evidence that political leaders had insisted existed. In

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Speaker 1: all the Hamas video footage Patent's team had watched and

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Speaker 1: all the photographs they had seen, there were no depictions

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Speaker 1: of rape. We hired a leading Israeli dark web researcher,

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Speaker 1: Patented to look for evidence of those images, including footage

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Speaker 1: deleted from public sources.

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Speaker 5: None could be found.

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Speaker 1: With regard to October seventh, specifically, there hasn't been in

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Speaker 1: this is again confirmed in this Times of London report.

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Speaker 1: There hasn't been a single firsthand eye witness. There has

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Speaker 1: been not one survivor who has come forward. Now, perhaps

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Speaker 1: that's because many people who you know could have been

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Speaker 1: raped on that day they're dead, so they're not there

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Speaker 1: to come forward. But the claim from the Israeli government

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Speaker 1: was directly made to Patent herself that there were hundreds

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Speaker 1: or thousands of instances, and yet they weren't able to

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Speaker 1: provide a single piece of forensic.

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Speaker 5: Or visual video evidence.

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Speaker 1: You know, at this point you have to say that

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Speaker 1: is quite remarkable, and you know clearly the initial claims

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Speaker 1: are not supported by the evidence. That's the point that

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Speaker 1: Brian has been making very controversial, as a point I've

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Speaker 1: been making very controversial because no one wants to be

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Speaker 1: in the position of picking the atrocities that happen on

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Speaker 1: that day. But to go back to the eye Roll

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Speaker 1: video from Brianna, you know, part of when the sister

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Speaker 1: of the hostage says, I want you to believe women.

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Speaker 1: Part of why there's an exasperation there is because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that is behind that. And in fact, they

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Speaker 1: interviewed a woman who's the head of a rape crisis

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Speaker 1: center in Israel and she said, I did not think

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Speaker 1: that it was sensible for the Israeli government to go

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Speaker 1: forward with this online hashtag campaign that was hashtag believe

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Speaker 1: Israeli Women. I did not think that was sensible, she says,

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Speaker 1: because they didn't mean believe Israeli women, they meant believe israel. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is the head of an Israeli rape crisis center,

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Speaker 1: someone who takes allegations of sexual assault very seriously, who

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Speaker 1: had a major issue with this because it wasn't ultimately

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Speaker 1: about believing Israeli women. It is about believing israel And

834
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Speaker 1: so you know, that is the context that when Brianna

835
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Speaker 1: is tried to, like, you believe Israeli women, Well, there

836
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Speaker 1: hasn't been an Israeli woman who has come forward to

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Speaker 1: claim that she was a victim of sexual assault on

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Speaker 1: that day. So I thought it was important to mention

839
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Speaker 1: that as well. That on the you know, I think

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Speaker 1: the day after her firing, she was really vindicated by

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Speaker 1: a mainstream publication that looked into this and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: so far, at least the evidence of rape as a

843
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Speaker 1: systemic tool weapon of war used by Hamas on October seventh,

844
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't exist absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in terms of how this is all played out,

846
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Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous. I actually think this has been

847
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Speaker 2: an important event, I hope, at least in terms of

848
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: how people who can be skeptical of Israel can see

849
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: how this always I think should apply to a lot

850
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Speaker 2: of these public adjudications. And I do think it's really

851
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Speaker 2: gross watching this like woke acceptance of like believe Israeli women.

852
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Speaker 2: It's like, what, First of all, what does that even mean?

853
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Speaker 2: And then second, like you said, there's reams of evidence

854
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Speaker 2: now at this point that at the very least of

855
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: the claim of like use of war and all that

856
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: is obviously exaggerated, if not outright completely false, and is

857
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Speaker 2: being used as part of a campaign to basically justify

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Speaker 2: to be able to kill whoemever you want, because then

859
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: it turns into some sort of like medieval conflict as

860
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: opposed to one in the twenty first century. So look,

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Speaker 2: I think Brianna, like I said, Brianna enjoys the fight,

862
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: and she's strimmed back down. Yeah, she certainly engages in

863
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: it with a lot of these people, and they are

864
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: certainly you know, rising to the occasion as well. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, in this particular case, when you watch it

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Speaker 2: in a certain sense here, you got to put just

867
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Speaker 2: as a host, I can put myself in her shoe

868
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Speaker 2: if you have a guest on who's goading me?

869
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Speaker 3: You know, at a certain point, I'm just.

870
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Speaker 2: Like, all right, dude, get the fuck out of here,

871
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: you know, no matter who you are, and I'm going

872
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: to try my best to be sensitive and all that.

873
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: But that also is like poor form in terms of

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Speaker 2: how the other person's conducting herself, regardless of how sympathetic

875
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Speaker 2: she should be the outset from the conversation, and that

876
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: to relationships should be one of mutual respect, et cetera.

877
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: And if she's not goating her, then you know there's

878
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: no reason for her to do the same thing. But

879
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: then to weaponize your identity, which is basically what happened.

880
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: People said, oh, look at her, or she's disrespecting the

881
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, hot sister or whatever. It is really hostage.

882
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 2: That's bullshit. When you watch the full thing, it's not right.

883
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: So no, she shouldn't have been fired, you know, speak

884
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: up like Robbie, her co host, apparently disagreed with the decision.

885
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: I haven't seen what he but it's true. Yeah, he

886
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: disagreed with that.

887
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: He die. Man, They get into it, so I can empathize.

888
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: I get it, Robert staying consistent with his right.

889
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: He's sticking to his guns. But this is it's irreconcilable folks.

890
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: To anybody who is out there who is working in

891
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: corporate this is going to happen. It may be Israel,

892
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: it could be something else.

893
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: You never know.

894
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: So if you're taking a check from somebody with the

895
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, ten figure bottom line or something like that,

896
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: this is basically inevitable. Or you work for the man,

897
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: and you better know that about yourself.

898
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't think that it's wrong for

899
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: people to who are independent minded to work in a

900
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: mainstream space. You just have to, like, you need to

901
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: know there's going.

902
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: To be an expiration day. If you remain true to yourself,

903
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 5: there's going to be an expiration day.

904
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: So, like, you know, I can see the case for yeah,

905
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: but I want, for as long as possible my views

906
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: to be heard in a mainstream cond I understand that, right.

907
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable rationale. I think it's I

908
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: actually agree with some of that rationale. But there will

909
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: come a limit, and this is one of the lines

910
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: that you are not.

911
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 5: Allowed to cross.

912
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say again is I think Brianna,

913
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, she's fantastically intelligent and talented, et cetera, already

914
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: has a large following she's got to be fine and

915
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: will certainly support her here and whatever her next endeavors

916
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: look like. But for people who aren't as established as.

917
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Her, Yeah, that's that's the feeling, and aren't.

918
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: Also don't have the content like Brianna has the type

919
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: of constitution where.

920
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 5: She can take these attacks.

921
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: She's been taking these attacks, you know, she she handles

922
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: them very well.

923
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 5: She doesn't back down.

924
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: If you don't have that type of constitution too, Like,

925
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: it does have a chilling effect where people they you know,

926
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about them. But I don't

927
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Times of London report. They

928
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about getting to the truth of

929
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, things that happen and didn't happen on October seventh,

930
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: or sorting through IDF fact from fiction, et cetera. These

931
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: are very sensitive, difficult topics and they'll look at this

932
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: as yet another example and cautionary tale of you know what,

933
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep my mouth shut.

934
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: So that's for the chilling up.

935
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: That that is very very true, and that is one where

936
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: you should worry about people who are like twenty one,

937
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: twenty two years old going to go take a work

938
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: in the business and get established. You learn the rules

939
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: of how to get ahead very quickly. Anybody who works

940
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: in an office, you guys know what we're talking about.

941
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: You see somebody get fired for something, you're like, Okay,

942
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: better not do that. So that's one of that is

943
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: a lesson, and that has downstream overall effects. That's what

944
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: Noam Chomsky really talks about in the way that the

945
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: media is totally rigged.

946
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: So there you go. All right, thank you guys so

947
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: much for watching. We really appreciate it.

948
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Speaker 2: Like we said, we've got a big rhyme story that's

949
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Speaker 2: coming up later in the day, so stay tuned for

950
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: that and we'll see you all later