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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's j n V Jess hilarious,

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Speaker 2: Charlamagne and the guy.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 2: the welcome prepared.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, guys.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great. I'm having an amazing time in New York.

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Speaker 3: Just sold out the SLBs the other night, and so

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Speaker 3: now I'm in the best of the Breakfast Club. So

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Speaker 3: this is a big deal for you, guys. You just

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Speaker 3: lost the tour, right, Yes, that's currently I'm doing ten

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Speaker 3: states and I just played New York two nights ago,

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Speaker 3: bling Atlanta tomorrow and we sold out everywhere. That's the congratulations,

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Speaker 3: super classed, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: And the album is called let me see for noting

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Speaker 4: this right Losa?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I Losa is my name has known in my village,

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Speaker 3: so a Lusa. Why are you topless?

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Speaker 5: So you had no shirt on most of the time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, showing usually but I had to. Yes, I'm showing

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Speaker 3: titt I'm showing some stomach, you know, some back. It.

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Speaker 3: Being topless is freedom. Being topless is audacity, and in

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Speaker 3: this phase of my career and where I'm at right now,

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Speaker 3: I need that audacity to be with me every day.

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Speaker 4: Is that really audacity to be topless? If you are

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Speaker 4: around with no pants on, Dick's winging?

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Speaker 3: You know, when you get home, Like if you're a girl,

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Speaker 3: when you get home, the first thing you do is

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Speaker 3: you and hook your bra. Yeah, And that's part of

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Speaker 3: the freedom I'm talking about being topless.

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Speaker 4: Is what do you identify.

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Speaker 3: A black man an analogy?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, you know, But that's a different because when

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Speaker 4: I get it, when women get home and they take

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Speaker 4: that bro off the what about you?

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Speaker 3: Like when you get home and if you're in a

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Speaker 3: your shirt, that's freedom.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and basketball drawers.

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Speaker 1: Not so much.

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Speaker 3: You're pushing this draws agenda. Yes, shut out my neighbors.

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Speaker 3: You ganda for that, my next door neighbor.

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Speaker 2: You did rap I was gonna say you did rap

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Speaker 2: raidar the other day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did.

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Speaker 2: And you came with something different that I don't think

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Speaker 2: any rap raid guest has ever done.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you came with a chicken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, came the chicken. I would have come with the

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Speaker 3: chicken here, But there's too many rules, and you guys

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Speaker 3: are really on the top floor, so I wasn't able

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Speaker 3: to smuggle my mascot into the building.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what chicken, A chicken is my

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Speaker 3: cultural total. Like the animal that represents my culture is

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Speaker 3: a rooster. And it's because luster is a timekeeper, rusa

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Speaker 3: is a care giver. A rooster is a security for

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Speaker 3: your homes. Is many things, including a good meal. So

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Speaker 3: that's why I walk around with it. That's why I

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Speaker 3: woke around with where did.

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Speaker 1: You get this chicken from? Where did you get the

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Speaker 1: chicken from?

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Speaker 3: I know, didn't I didn't know the animal laws in

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Speaker 3: New York. I had to drive all the way to Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Like the Queens, they wouldn't sell it to me.

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Speaker 3: Nobody would give me a live chicken in New York

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Speaker 3: because it's against the law. So I had to go

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Speaker 4: But yeah, what I think it's about the wording, because

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Speaker 4: you know, in America, I don't know. You don't know

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Speaker 4: if you'll say is king in America, say cock, so

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Speaker 4: you have to say I want to bring my car.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just me and my me and my cock.

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Speaker 3: I was stroking my cock like.

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Speaker 1: You said, you're eating your cot.

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Speaker 3: Give the chicken, I give, I give. I give my

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why you want to come here in

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Speaker 1: I needed to be here.

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Speaker 3: I needed to be here today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm trying to be professional, but you guys

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Speaker 5: So this is a freedom album basically, yeah, because it

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Speaker 3: Why are you so Previously in my other life, I

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Speaker 3: was in a band. I was in a boy band

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Speaker 3: and the band was called Sauti. So Sauti soul means

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Speaker 3: and so he voices of the sun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was in a boy band and this

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Speaker 3: is my second lease of life. So now I'm a

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Speaker 3: solo artist. I've been a solo artist for two years

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Speaker 3: I made it nice.

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Speaker 6: Why did Saudis Soul takes such a long hiatus for

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Speaker 4: Twenty years?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were like new additions from Kenya. Yeah, boys

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Speaker 3: to me. We met in high school. So we've been

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Speaker 3: together twenty years, twenty beautiful years, the best years of

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Speaker 1: What made you just want to go solo?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Just trying something new, you know, after doing something for

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Speaker 3: And it's been beautiful so far. I think we needed

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Speaker 3: this break so that our next season will be just

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Speaker 5: And what has the other Saudi soulars done.

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Speaker 3: They're making music, They're doing interesting things. My brother Pulicup

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Speaker 3: just launched his guitar Jauia, which is an amazing guitar.

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Speaker 3: Gimano is on tour, Savara is putting out music as well.

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Speaker 3: So we're all busy and we're all working together, like

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Speaker 3: we're all writing for one another, we're all producing for

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Speaker 3: one another or great friends, great friends, amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think East African music hasn't seen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's many aspects to it, including the fact

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Speaker 3: that it's just never been funded. Any music that you

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Speaker 2: I noticed with international artists they always want to win

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Speaker 3: Because when you win in the US, the reward is

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Speaker 3: too high. Being the biggest artist in Kenya is No,

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Speaker 3: we're closed being the biggest artist in the US. When

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Speaker 3: you win in the US, you winning the world. So

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Speaker 3: for a long time, this market has dominated the world

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Speaker 3: the world. Yeah, so your thought leaders, your global leaders.

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Speaker 4: Why not remember when your love for music for US hitue?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was like maybe five or six. I was

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Speaker 3: I feel like doing this thing. And I've been doing

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Speaker 3: it since I'm thirty seven now, guys, I've been singing

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Speaker 4: Years yeah, wow, since six years old.

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Speaker 3: Since I was six yeah. And I joined the choir

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Speaker 3: all the great musicians, especially for black music, come from.

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Speaker 4: How was it in Kenya? Because you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: you hear stories people from Nigeria. Their parents are like, no,

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna go into music. You're not going entertainment.

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Speaker 4: You know, Like like in Kenya, when you said you

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Speaker 3: I was it. My mom said, as long as you

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Speaker 3: my life changed. I had to finish school, but I

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Speaker 3: I did communications and.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that moment where you knew you were

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Speaker 3: I told also my cousin when I was six that

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Speaker 3: studying music. But it came back now to make sense,

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Speaker 4: And back then you was just like I think I'm

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Speaker 1: But then.

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Speaker 3: I was actually just finishing school to clock out something

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Speaker 3: wasn't very passionate about it. Communications.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that communicated that I communicated journey, not as effect.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to be clear.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever had any big dreams of working with

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Speaker 5: any American artists?

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Speaker 3: Yes, in terms of them, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 3: of course, Beyonce. I think her excellence is everything. I

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Speaker 3: love Coca Jones.

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Speaker 4: Oh nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's beautiful as a singer. To change,

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Speaker 3: like to change, like the new album he has with Larry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure you've already done something together.

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Speaker 3: We're about to. Yeah, we're about to and many other artists, like, honestly,

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Speaker 3: anybody who's willing to work I'm willing to work with

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I realize this music is better when you make

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Speaker 3: it with friends.

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Speaker 4: What was life like growing up for you in Kenya

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Speaker 4: and how did your Kenyan culture influence the way you

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Speaker 4: see the world today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, growing up in Kenya is beautiful because we are

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Speaker 3: situated on a part of Africa that is very cosmopolitan,

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Speaker 3: So we get American influence, we also get Arabian influence.

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Speaker 3: We get all these influences, and I think that's what

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Speaker 3: the most Kenyan man you're ever going to meet in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in American people don't really know what

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Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, like, And I also think whether

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Speaker 4: Finfty came out two thousand and two. So you're telling

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Speaker 4: And can you?

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Speaker 3: So many people have connected. I'm just talking about that

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Speaker 1: Parts of the world mimicking fitting back then.

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Speaker 3: Bro, you're going to barbershops and you're seeing Ludacris on

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Speaker 4: What was it about fifty you think?

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Speaker 1: I think it was the music back then.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that now.

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Speaker 2: But also I see that now maybe not maybe my

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Speaker 3: I think the kids just a lot of the kids.

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Speaker 6: Think, which you say it wasn't really a lot of

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Speaker 5: It was like the fifty cent era.

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Speaker 6: People was wearing, you know, the genus a bunch of things.

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Speaker 3: I had all the bootleg g units because you know,

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Speaker 3: So another tank top you had.

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Speaker 4: That take all of these kids started mimicking Lil Wayne. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: When Little Wayne was selling a million in a week

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: But but to my point is that was that era

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Speaker 2: People with Trosy, playboy Kardi.

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Speaker 4: I don't see it, like I say, but I don't

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Speaker 4: yeah he's forty seven. You go talk to them twenty

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Speaker 5: I also say that you are married to chiky Zaruka.

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Speaker 3: Saying right, yes, yes, she's also my manager.

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Speaker 5: She is your manager. You married your manager.

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Speaker 3: It's been by far the most rewarding experience of my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well she was your manager.

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Speaker 3: You married her or no, you grow together. We've been

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Speaker 6: Like the save money money, But how how do y'all

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Speaker 3: We don't don't. Yeah, We've be in bed at midnight

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Speaker 4: It's beautiful, it's beautiful, and.

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Speaker 3: And we're just really on great energy. Yeah, we've had

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Speaker 4: What are some of the biggest challenges you face just

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Speaker 3: I think coming from East Africa, no one's looking out

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Speaker 3: So it's a challenge, but it also comes with the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, any visuals we got coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, man. I have a new album coming out

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Speaker 5: Do you shoot music videos? Yeah, so we got visuals

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've got amazing music videos to Yeah. I did

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Speaker 5: Are you going to shoot any in the States?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have time. Yeah, it was really after

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I saw something. What it was saying you

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Speaker 4: the Grammys was donating some money.

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Speaker 3: That can you that was physical. So the Grammys are

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Speaker 3: So at people, an eight million dollars spent on the

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Speaker 3: Grammys feels like an impulse spent to.

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Speaker 1: The people face. Yeah, it's like that the Grammars will

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you know, a lot, not a lot of

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Speaker 3: the value of the Grammy is coming to Kenya like that,

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Speaker 3: you know. But so the people were just up in

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Speaker 3: spend the three point five million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Why did you agree with it?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm an artist and understand what it's going to

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Speaker 3: You know, they're going to thank us one day for

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Speaker 3: a bad thing. Maybe the communication behind it should have

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Speaker 3: many people would have been like, Okay, we see it.

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Speaker 2: I mean world the visitation, yeah, hotels, restaurants, foods, tourism.

446
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's just so much.

447
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Speaker 3: That you get the development programs for the different facets

448
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Speaker 3: of the music industry that that the Grammy comes with

449
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 3: as well. Right, Yeah, you know, the Grammy is like

450
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 3: a good artist development program as well, second to the charge.

451
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, it'll be nice if they came through. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 3: I'm still hoping they do.

453
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Speaker 4: That put a lot of pressure on you, knowing that

454
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,679
Speaker 4: Kenya is a country that isn't doing that well financially,

455
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 4: but you may be doing better than most.

456
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 3: Yes, it puts pressure on me to make art that

457
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 3: speaks to those people and tells their story to the world.

458
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 3: Like I want people to see the pain and the

459
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 3: struggle in my art. I want them to listen to

460
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 3: the lyrics and I want them to I want the

461
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 3: lyrics to take them to places in Kenya that they've

462
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,719
Speaker 3: never been to, and I want the human experience to connect.

463
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 3: So right now, we're not going to a very easy time.

464
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 3: Our government has no position. The opposition is the youth.

465
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Speaker 3: And for the last year so, there have been so

466
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Speaker 3: many abductions. There's been so many There's been freedom of expression,

467
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: but not freedom after expression. And I just think it's

468
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Speaker 3: important for us to know that, the leaders to know

469
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Speaker 3: that I have more faith in the children who are

470
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Speaker 3: coming than their leadership in terms of the power they

471
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 3: used to oppress. Yeah. I don't have any fear to

472
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Speaker 3: the current regime. I have more faith in the kids,

473
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 3: and I think the kids are going to save us.

474
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Speaker 3: You feel comfortable living I feel comfortable living in Kenya. Yeah,

475
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 3: I would say to a large extent, Kenya is a

476
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Speaker 3: beautiful country. Yeah, there's many experiences you can get and

477
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: if and and we're generally very peaceful people. But the

478
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: recent times have been very tough economically. Yeah, but we're

479
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Speaker 3: not a basket case. Yeah, we're proper people. Kenyans are fighters,

480
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: Africans are fighters, and the people of Africa will keep

481
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Speaker 3: the lights on. The piple of can you keep the

482
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Speaker 3: lights on?

483
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Speaker 5: Absolutely? What is one of your favorite songs from the

484
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 5: album Macheri.

485
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tribute to you, Jess. I really to you. Married,

486
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: so it's okay, I'm also married.

487
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 4: But he's also African, so we can have more than

488
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Speaker 4: one wife.

489
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 5: No, he can't, can't.

490
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Speaker 3: Constitutional every Africa.

491
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Speaker 5: I thought that was a certain villages. Why are you

492
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Speaker 5: doing it?

493
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Speaker 3: Uh? You know, some things just I found in this world,

494
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 3: and there's such complex issues that I can't really address

495
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Speaker 3: right now in the press first club. But I'm not

496
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 3: doing it, okay, Yeah, because Cheeky deserves all of you

497
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: and all of me only me. Yeah.

498
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Speaker 4: Yes, so you wouldn't want another wife. I mean, I'm

499
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: just saying that. Let me rephrase you try to get you,

500
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 4: let me rephrase that. I know you are happily married.

501
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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, yeah, African tradition, in a lot of countries,

502
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Speaker 4: you are allowed to have another wife.

503
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Speaker 3: Constitution, you're allowed. Do I want another wife? No? I don't. Yeah,

504
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: not now, No, I.

505
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Speaker 1: Don't because just trouble.

506
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Speaker 6: Just because that's you know, culturally like y'all can do,

507
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean you always want that, right.

508
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

509
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Speaker 3: So I come from a poligamous family. My dad has

510
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Speaker 3: ten kids from six different women. I am the last

511
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Speaker 3: of ten.

512
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Speaker 1: I am the last gentleman. You've been in trouble, I know,

513
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Speaker 1: but he's married to him just.

514
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Speaker 3: Informally. You one with you that. Yeah, so formally he's

515
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: been married to Yeah, my mother is the last of

516
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 3: the ten day know about each other. They all know

517
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: about each other. When he bought a spoon for our house,

518
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: he bought a spoon for the other house. Well, you know, like,

519
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: if you guys really understand how polygamy works, maybe it's

520
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 3: not going to be a very touchy subject. I think

521
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 3: just when you listen from the West and how people

522
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: speak about it, it's just really given the vibe that

523
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: it's unfair, but it's everything has everything to do with

524
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 3: society and how society was set up back then. It

525
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: may not work now, I agree, but back then it

526
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: had everything to do with community and looking out for

527
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: one another. You know. In some cases a guy was

528
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Speaker 3: polygamous because maybe his first wife couldn't get kids, you see,

529
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Speaker 3: and she'd be like, let me bring a helper to

530
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: see how we can do this. Also, the more kids

531
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Speaker 3: you had, the more labor you had, because we were

532
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Speaker 3: farmers were we were hads then, and so the more

533
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: children you had, the more people you had to make

534
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: create wealth with. So that was the structure then.

535
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Speaker 6: See, polygamy is one side, because what if Chiky was

536
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 6: like I want like three or four husbands?

537
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Speaker 3: What you want to There are some African cultures that

538
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: have been matriarch really is okay? Yeah, So polygamy has

539
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: also gone both ways. I think, I don't. It's called

540
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 3: polyandry on the other side. So not all polygamy has

541
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: been men doing that to women's women doing that to men.

542
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Speaker 1: Okay, what you want?

543
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Speaker 3: Would you would you get? No?

544
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: No, no no no no no, I don't. I don't.

545
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 5: I don't have time, have time.

546
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 4: So, man, you look like Mike cars and John Sally,

547
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 4: you know the people.

548
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: I know's move a lot. People took me look like

549
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: I'm related the best.

550
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 4: But they always say, if you go to some place

551
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: on the continent, you'll see somebody look like you.

552
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: Yes, Charlaman, I see you in I see you every

553
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: morning in my village.

554
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: A taller version.

555
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that looks like me.

556
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: Yes, you get John Sally got somenon.

557
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: She's a cuty though he looks nice.

558
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I know that's right.

559
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean I see, I see why you would say that.

560
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

561
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Speaker 1: Let me show you Mike k.

562
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Speaker 5: Africa.

563
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: I went to Turkey the other day and the was

564
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: like good tupa yes, let me say, yeah, who is that.

565
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: You do look like carving John called acute though you no, no,

566
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: that look.

567
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: Like rast baraka Jesus.

568
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

569
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Speaker 5: Damn I forgot what I was very well, get into

570
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 5: a joint. Yeah that's what I was. Yes, I wanted

571
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Speaker 5: to get into what You want to.

572
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Hear one of your songs, of my songs my shady?

573
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Speaker 6: Yeah you said inspired? Was that inspired by Stevie? Want

574
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 6: just a little bit, because you know we got a song.

575
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Speaker 3: My sad Okay, yeah, I know, I know the song

576
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: love TV, but is just inspired by the chillions of

577
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: Africans who use the word machay for their lovers. It's

578
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 3: a way of life.

579
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Speaker 4: Ask one more random question. Yeah, what would what would

580
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: Africa look like if all the countries were unified?

581
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Speaker 3: I asked myself that question all the time. I ask

582
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Speaker 3: myself what Africa look like if you weren't colonized, because

583
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, naturally we have never really been people who

584
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: go out to conquer and convert. We've always been and

585
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: that's why it was very easy to colonize us because

586
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: we were easy to you know, course, and we didn't

587
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: know the games that the other party was playing. So

588
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 3: I think I united Africa is an Africa that is

589
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 3: living to his full potential. It's peaceful. Is there's some

590
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: there's some leaders right now in the continent who are

591
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: showing what Africa could do united. I know if you

592
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: guys have had about trialry from bukin a fuss. Yeah,

593
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 3: And he's been able to unite the countries on his region.

594
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: They've been able to kick out France and he's taking

595
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: care of yeah, and he's taking care of people. And

596
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: I see that to be the future of the continent.

597
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: And when we unite, we will be unstoppable in all

598
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: the beautiful ways.

599
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: I love the continent.

600
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: To welcome you guys to ken But I came bearing gifts.

601
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: Can I give you gifts?

602
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Okay, don't bring a cocks.

603
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: So in Kenya, I'm the chairman of the bold Man Association. Hey,

604
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: let's go and I see you charmn And this is

605
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: made by I love it. I love better, you know

606
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: it says bold Men love better.

607
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: I love it because we love so as I get

608
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: my first ball.

609
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: Yes, and just I got you this in think you

610
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: have the same point, you got the same boat. It

611
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: was this a theme for one of my albums and

612
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: I worked on this with a friend of Michael key

613
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: MATI shout out, that's my brother.

614
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: Woman love better to know old man, oh ship.

615
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: Man.

616
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: That was unnecessary and that was called for and envy.

617
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: Because I want you to look approachable. I got you

618
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: this in pink Okay, thank you? Yeah, because I know,

619
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: like I know, you're a gangster.

620
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Envy. The y'all be believing that, dumb shit, be saying,

621
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Speaker 1: all right, give that, thank you? Where were me? And

622
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: you go all that's nope, period, what's the website? There's

623
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Speaker 1: no website.

624
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That was that was part

625
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: of something I was doing. But yeah, man, bold Man,

626
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: do love better so that as a bold Man, as

627
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: the chairman of the Boldman Association, when you start going

628
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: ball like you did it on purpose in the beginning,

629
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: and then he caught up with me.

630
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Speaker 4: The headline was getting pushed back.

631
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Speaker 1: Hairline, Yeah, it just left.

632
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: And I remember one time I was also washing my

633
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: face and I had a bigger face.

634
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 4: To wash me too.

635
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I took it with stride. It's become

636
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: my thing now and quite frankly, the girls like it,

637
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: you know, like we're different. Bowling is actually a sign

638
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: of a lot of Testestone. So if you're a bold,

639
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: you're a man's man if it's anything to go by.

640
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: But whatever, good to see you brother. Their website for

641
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: the tour, I just go to oh yes man. You

642
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: can go on my Instagram B and a messul B

643
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: I E N A I M E s O L

644
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: being a missoul. You can go there. There's a link

645
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: for the tickets. I'm playing Ohio next, I'm playing at

646
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: Lantern next. I'm so loving pretty much every place. But

647
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: you can follow the boy. You can check out the

648
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: vibes and through my page you're going to discover what

649
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 3: the staffic is about. I also want to welcome all

650
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 3: of you guys to Kenya. I'd love you if you

651
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 3: guys ever land in Kenya NV. I know you come

652
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: there often, so turn them off.

653
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: I got to get back there.

654
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 3: Tell them about it the place, can your right boy?

655
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Danza ball right? Yeah?

656
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: I want to lash it well. The year before last

657
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: I went to Tanzania Danza bar and they was like,

658
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: you got to go to Kenya's right there?

659
00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

660
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: Nice.

661
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: So I'm welcome to you guys again. Thank you as

662
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: love to see you guys there.

663
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, appreciate your brother it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,

664
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Speaker 1: wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club