Speaker 1: From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset I.
Speaker 2: Am a loser if also we know wouldn't pay me either.
Speaker 3: A hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at
Speaker 3: a deadly tipping.
Speaker 4: Point in Cells will be added to the Terrorism Guide.
Speaker 5: I see literally zero hope.
Speaker 1: This is in Cells a production of KT Studios and
Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts, Season one, Episode eight. I hit you because
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 6: He controls her, he owns her, and anything that causes
Speaker 6: a reaction in him is frankly her fault.
Speaker 5: Listen, I haven't been convicted of anything, and there's lots
Speaker 5: of allegations against me, that they're just out to get me,
Speaker 5: that they don't really have anything on me.
Speaker 4: It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder, making plaintiff
Speaker 4: nearly lose consciousness.
Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Kat's Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker,
Speaker 1: Gabriel Castillo, Connor Powell, Carolyn Miller. In episode six, we
Speaker 1: explored the Manosphere, a sprawling digital network that claims to
Speaker 1: help men navigate dating, fitness, and fatherhood. However, it often
Speaker 1: spreads to hostility and misogyny. Andrew Tate is widely known
Speaker 1: as the king of the manosphere, and we touched on
Speaker 1: his empire from Hustle University to his webcam businesses. We
Speaker 1: decided to take a deeper dive into who Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: and his brother Tristan are, how their upbringing shaped them,
Speaker 1: as well as legal allegations piling up against them. Please note,
Speaker 1: despite legal action pending in three countries, neither Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: nor Tristan Tate have been convicted of any of the
Speaker 1: crimes discussed in this episode. Here's Stephanie.
Speaker 6: I always find it interesting that the Tape Brothers are
Speaker 6: considered misogynists because, frankly, their background wouldn't suggest that that's
Speaker 6: how this would really turn out. The Tape Brothers were,
Speaker 6: by their own admission, raised in poverty.
Speaker 1: Andrew Tate was born in Washington, d c. At the
Speaker 1: Walter Reed Army Medical Center on December fourteenth, nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: His father was a black man named Emery Tait, who
Speaker 1: was an international master of chess and a highly competitive
Speaker 1: figure known for his aggressive playing style. His mother, Eileen,
Speaker 1: is a white englishwoman who worked as a catering assistant.
Speaker 1: Andrew's brother, Tristan, was born in Chicago on July fifteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, and they have a younger sister who
Speaker 1: is an attorney and lives a private life. Here again Stephanie,
Speaker 1: followed by crime analyst Body Moven.
Speaker 6: Mom and dad divorced in nineteen ninety seven, and they
Speaker 6: basically split time between the United Kingdom and the United States.
Speaker 4: His dad lived like a pretty nomadic lifestyle, surviving on
Speaker 4: tournament weddings from chess tournaments. He didn't really have a
Speaker 4: stable life.
Speaker 6: He was a little anti regime and they refer to
Speaker 6: him as being very ambitious, but clearly not that ambitious
Speaker 6: because they were growing up in poverty in a different
Speaker 6: country and not seeing their co parent hardly at all.
Speaker 6: So it's just interesting to me that Dad is getting
Speaker 6: that large of a voice in their heads given the
Speaker 6: fact that they were being raised by a single mom
Speaker 6: who's working her way to put them through school and
Speaker 6: frankly doing a nice job of it, and they say
Speaker 6: very loving things of her, yet their worldview on women
Speaker 6: is really low.
Speaker 1: Andrews saw his father, Emory Tate about once a year,
Speaker 1: but he's been a hugely influential presence in his life.
Speaker 1: Here's a podcast excerpt of Tate speaking about his father
Speaker 1: with therapist David Sutcliffe. Was your father present with you?
Speaker 7: No, that didn't bother them at all.
Speaker 1: It didn't bother you.
Speaker 7: No, he had things to do.
Speaker 5: I didn't understand.
Speaker 7: You know your history, that you were raised by seeing
Speaker 7: your mother. Your father wasn't around, so you see him
Speaker 7: once a year about that, Yeah, but I always understood
Speaker 7: he's very busy and has a lot to do, like
Speaker 7: you understand, like a little boy. I think a little
Speaker 7: boy might think, why where's daddy?
Speaker 5: I want daddy, I'm here alone with mom?
Speaker 7: And he might be right because some fathers may not care.
Speaker 7: But my father did care. He was just very busy.
Speaker 7: But it must have been confusing for you. No, not
Speaker 7: for the little boy. No, I never for a second
Speaker 7: felt like he didn't care about me.
Speaker 5: Ever, and that on some level, some of what you're
Speaker 5: doing in the world is motivated by that, like wanting
Speaker 5: to win the love of your father.
Speaker 7: I think that's semi true, because I believe I have
Speaker 7: a duty to my ancestors. I have the last name Tate,
Speaker 7: it was bestowed upon me, and I have responsibilities to
Speaker 7: live up to the last name Tate. I do believe
Speaker 7: I have a duty to my ancestors. So is that
Speaker 7: trying to win the love of my father? Perhaps I
Speaker 7: never felt unloved by my father ever. In fact, I
Speaker 7: would argue I had the best father on earth. I
Speaker 7: never felt like I was owed all of his time.
Speaker 7: I can earn his time, or that I can't have
Speaker 7: as much of it as I want.
Speaker 1: You have to earn his time. That was a son
Speaker 1: should have to earn his father's time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, why not.
Speaker 4: Andrew Tate often says that his dad taught him if
Speaker 4: you can control your mind, you can control the world,
Speaker 4: and drilled into them that intelligence is dominance, and that
Speaker 4: the only currency that matters is cunning, being cunning and smart.
Speaker 6: And how to beat the system essentially right.
Speaker 4: So, how to bend, how to be a.
Speaker 6: Hustler, how to be a hustler and hustle other young
Speaker 6: men out of cash that you think you deserve more of.
Speaker 6: And by the way, it's working because they've obviously accumulated
Speaker 6: a ton of wealth. Now the other side to that is, look,
Speaker 6: these are guys that pulled themselves out of poverty. According
Speaker 6: to Andrew Tate himself, they literally grew up in poverty
Speaker 6: in the United Kingdom, in England. The family lived on
Speaker 6: the Marsh Farm estate in Luton, an area Andrew described
Speaker 6: as quote the worst area of the worst town end
Speaker 6: quote and listen. The family received welfare and the mother
Speaker 6: worked tirelessly to provide for them. Andrew has discussed their
Speaker 6: humble beginnings on social media many many times, claiming that
Speaker 6: his family were the lowest echelon of life.
Speaker 1: Andrew Tape began his career as a professional kickboxer in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and was ranked seventh best light
Speaker 1: heavyweight kickboxer in the UK by the International Sports Karate Association.
Speaker 4: He won several world titles and reportedly earned modest purses,
Speaker 4: not enough to make him wealthy, but enough to build
Speaker 4: a reputation. And during this time he began teaching kickboxing
Speaker 4: and self defense lessons, both personal and line, which basically
Speaker 4: grew his coaching business. And I think this is where
Speaker 4: he got the model for his lifestyle coaching because it
Speaker 4: was pretty successful. He leveraged early YouTube and forums to
Speaker 4: promote a persona of discipline and dominance, which laid the
Speaker 4: foundation for his later online empire.
Speaker 1: Body continues explaining how in cells in particular tend to
Speaker 1: view the tape Brothers. It's new.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a divided look on the Tape Brothers. Specifically,
Speaker 4: some in cells really admire Andrew take, you know, the
Speaker 4: alpha male. I think a lot of them can see
Speaker 4: that the Tape Brothers are kind of like proof that
Speaker 4: this hyper masculine confidence and physical dominance can overcome what
Speaker 4: they perceive as an unfair dating hierarchy. But I think
Speaker 4: most in cells have resentment towards the Tate Brothers. They
Speaker 4: often accuse them of being fake alpha males who monetize
Speaker 4: on the lonely man's epidemic. Right, the Tape Brothers basically
Speaker 4: are red pill mano sphere influencers, and in cells typically
Speaker 4: subscribe to the black pill ideology. And I think that
Speaker 4: they sell like this hopism. They sell hope, and I
Speaker 4: think in cells can view the Tape Brothers as two
Speaker 4: men who busted their way out of this loneliness epidemic.
Speaker 4: But that was never true. The Tape Brothers were never
Speaker 4: in cells, but they sell it. They speak to in cells,
Speaker 4: and they speak to the reason that the in cells
Speaker 4: are such failures of life. And I think that in
Speaker 4: cells who do listen to the Tape Brothers rhetoric have
Speaker 4: hoped that if they purchase these courses, they're going to
Speaker 4: escape it as well.
Speaker 1: Here's Louise, who identifies as a black pilled in cell.
Speaker 1: He's twenty two years old, lives in southern California and
Speaker 1: has been in the in cell community since he was
Speaker 1: about nineteen. Louise talks about the dichotomy between the Tape
Speaker 1: Brothers and in cells.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, in cells were former pickup artists, which is
Speaker 2: very interesting because actually research on that, there's a paper
Speaker 2: by some guy called Devolving the Manosphere, like some academic guy.
Speaker 2: That's when he found that on pickup artist forums. When
Speaker 2: Internet traffic and user bases were going down, on insel
Speaker 2: forums they were going up. So there's a pickup artist
Speaker 2: to in cell pipeline. So you can imagine like a
Speaker 2: young man who's struggling with women goes to pick up artistry,
Speaker 2: learns cold approach and nagging and quino and all that
Speaker 2: bullshit they do, all those like stupid when it belt
Speaker 2: of tactics that they use doesn't work, and then boom
Speaker 2: they become an insuell. And I think that's very important
Speaker 2: because people, for example, like red pill people call those
Speaker 2: guys in cells. They'd be like. People call Andrew Tate
Speaker 2: an insull like insults. Hate all those I hate those people.
Speaker 2: Those people suck insults. It's very specific, it's a very
Speaker 2: very specific community. It's not red Pill, it's not none
Speaker 2: of those guys. It's not a guy who hates women. Look,
Speaker 2: I hate to say this. There's plenty of guys out
Speaker 2: there who hate women and they do just fine. You know,
Speaker 2: that's just the unfortunate reality. Okay, we don't live in
Speaker 2: some just world and there are plenty of guys who
Speaker 2: don't hate women and their virgins.
Speaker 1: M let's stop here for a break. We'll be back
Speaker 1: in a moment.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: We spoke about Andrew Tate's Hustler University and other man
Speaker 1: camps in a previous episode, but wanted to look into
Speaker 1: how his webcam business came to be, as well as
Speaker 1: legal allegations surrounding them. It's important to note that Andrew
Speaker 1: Tate denies all the following allegations. Here's investigative journalist Connor Powell.
Speaker 5: Andrew Tate in twenty sixteen was an unknown social media
Speaker 5: influencer until he landed on a pretty big show in
Speaker 5: the UK called Big Brother UK. During that time, the
Speaker 5: producers of The Big Brother all found out that the
Speaker 5: Bedfordshire Police and the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK
Speaker 5: had investigated Andrew Tate after two women in Luden, England,
Speaker 5: accused him of rape and physical assault, and that sort
Speaker 5: of ended his appearance on this show. It did two things.
Speaker 5: On one hand, he's now dealing with these accusations of
Speaker 5: rape and sexual assault, but now he's famous across England
Speaker 5: and the United Kingdom and really the world at this time.
Speaker 5: So as soon as these accusations appear, one of the
Speaker 5: other things that comes out is a video of Andrew
Speaker 5: Tate physically abusing a woman, beating her, talking, just saying
Speaker 5: really vile things to her.
Speaker 1: Here's an excerpt from that video. The voice you hear
Speaker 1: is Andrew Tates. In the video, we see the back
Speaker 1: of a woman pointing out bruises on her lower half.
Speaker 7: Show the camera your tattoo, Tell the camera I beat
Speaker 7: you when you don't do as I say? Why are
Speaker 7: you getting hit?
Speaker 2: Why are you getting beaten?
Speaker 7: Do as I say?
Speaker 5: Now? Andrew Tait has claimed since that time that he
Speaker 5: did nothing wrong and that the video was a private
Speaker 5: game taken out of context, and you know, he said
Speaker 5: back in twenty sixteen that he would never hurt anyone
Speaker 5: against their will, But that doesn't quite square with what
Speaker 5: the alleged victim actually told Vice News a couple of
Speaker 5: years later. She claimed that they had told the police
Speaker 5: everything at first, and that her feeling was that the
Speaker 5: police believed her, but then nothing happened. The police in
Speaker 5: the United Kingdom don't charge him with anything. But then
Speaker 5: a few years later, in twenty twenty three, Andrew Tate
Speaker 5: and his brother Tristan are now living in Romania, and
Speaker 5: for several years their online personality is growing. They're selling sex,
Speaker 5: They're selling fast cars, money, guns. It's all backed up
Speaker 5: with sort of misogynistic type language about how women are
Speaker 5: just there to serve men. And Andrew Tate has sort
Speaker 5: of cracked the code of what it is to be
Speaker 5: a real man.
Speaker 1: In December of twenty twenty two, the Romanian police rate
Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate's compound and caressed it's a late
Speaker 1: night operation and they storm the villa. The brothers are
Speaker 1: arrested on human trafficking, rape and forming an organized criminal unit.
Speaker 5: They find money, they find guns, They find weapons all
Speaker 5: over the house. They also find these surveillance video cameras
Speaker 5: where Andrew and Tristan are accused of basically running a
Speaker 5: sex ring where these women are forced to perform sexual
Speaker 5: acts on camera. The accusation is that these acts were
Speaker 5: against their will, that they weren't willing participants because they
Speaker 5: weren't able to leave this compound, that Andrew and Tristan
Speaker 5: were essentially holding them there, and that's the accusation. And
Speaker 5: this is when Andrew Tate really begins to deal with
Speaker 5: some serious legal problems, and this twenty fifteen case is
Speaker 5: brought back up as sort of, look, there's precedent, There
Speaker 5: is accusations of assault and rape that stem from years before.
Speaker 5: So that twenty fifteen case, which is wrapped up in
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen with no charges, then becomes part of a
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three case in Romania.
Speaker 1: Here's a clip from an appearance Andrew Tate did on
Speaker 1: a podcast called Fit and Fresh. He's talking about one
Speaker 1: of the arrests.
Speaker 7: I was like, who are you They're going to arrest
Speaker 7: for a suspicion of assault of this dumb hope, Like.
Speaker 1: They didn't bom gonna protect.
Speaker 3: I'm a knife guy.
Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate were arrested and detained, their passports taken.
Speaker 1: They're now facing allegations of human trafficking, one counter rape,
Speaker 1: and being part of an organized criminal group.
Speaker 5: Connor continues, what the Romanian prosecutors and in the country
Speaker 5: start accusing him of doing is essentially using this lover
Speaker 5: boy method. And the idea behind this lover boy method
Speaker 5: is that Andrew tate women into his compound, into his
Speaker 5: world with the promise of a relationship or modeling work
Speaker 5: and then coercing them into producing explicit content and dressing online,
Speaker 5: doing sex acts online. But the money that they make
Speaker 5: while living in Romania while running this sex trafficking organization,
Speaker 5: essentially is when the money really explodes for them, and
Speaker 5: six women actually come forward and say that this was
Speaker 5: happening to them, and they're using these women to perform
Speaker 5: these sex acts on camera, they're videoing it, they're putting
Speaker 5: it out there on the Internet to subscribers, and the
Speaker 5: amount of money that at their disposal just explodes. They
Speaker 5: go from being wealthy and rich to living extravagant lifestyles
Speaker 5: where they can just do anything, and it's all built
Speaker 5: on the back of these women that they're exploiting.
Speaker 1: All the while Andrew take continues online appearances spreading his
Speaker 1: message that women should submit to men.
Speaker 7: In the past famously said I am absolutely sexist and
Speaker 7: I'm absolutely a misogynist.
Speaker 2: The woman must.
Speaker 7: Learn that her man is an iron mountain and the
Speaker 7: easiest path is to obey.
Speaker 4: Any other kind of resistance simply doesn't work.
Speaker 1: The investigation into the Tape Brothers expands further still as
Speaker 1: authorities arrest two women who are part of Tate's inner circle. Again,
Speaker 1: Connor Powell.
Speaker 5: You often see there's one or two women who are
Speaker 5: helping to recruit other women into this sex trafficking ring,
Speaker 5: and that's essentially what we see with these two other women.
Speaker 5: After a year of negative headlines and being arrested and
Speaker 5: essentially being detained in Romania, the Tape Brothers, they go
Speaker 5: on the offensive. They launched this sort of global media
Speaker 5: offensive around the world, claiming to be politically persecuted and
Speaker 5: that the Romanian prosecutors are essentially attacking them for their
Speaker 5: political views.
Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate takes to social media x Rumble podcasts,
Speaker 1: all with the message of standing up for men around
Speaker 1: the world and fighting what they call the war on
Speaker 1: men and the war on free speech, and so.
Speaker 5: You've got this entire debate going on about what it
Speaker 5: is to be a young man, what it is to
Speaker 5: be able to have free speech. They deny all the charges,
Speaker 5: They repeat the claim that these women were all consenting
Speaker 5: partners and that they were fabricating their stories. But more importantly,
Speaker 5: they don't just make these claims. The people who follow
Speaker 5: Andrew and Tristan Tate they repeat these claims. And so
Speaker 5: the way that the innocent claims are echoed across all
Speaker 5: of social media, it just rrupts.
Speaker 7: I think it's extremely important that we stop allowing media spin,
Speaker 7: wrap up smears, lies, or carefully constructed narratives from George
Speaker 7: Soros funded operations trying to destroy the reputations of good
Speaker 7: people who have no intention to do anything other than
Speaker 7: follow They.
Speaker 5: Had claimed, essentially that the Matrix was attacking them, a
Speaker 5: reference to the movie The Matrix, that there's this sort
Speaker 5: of hidden global network that was attacking the Tape Brothers
Speaker 5: because of their support for male masculinity and their support
Speaker 5: for free speech. And they see a real surge in
Speaker 5: popularity around this time, and this campaign forms their response
Speaker 5: to these charges, and it becomes a very effective response
Speaker 5: public relations wise. The Romanian authorities hit back and in
Speaker 5: August of twenty twenty four they opened new criminal charges
Speaker 5: and an investigation in the Tristan and Andrew Tat.
Speaker 1: The new accusations allege that not only were they trafficking adults,
Speaker 1: but now they're human trafficking miners. There's also account of
Speaker 1: having intercourse with the miner, tampering with witnesses, and money laundering.
Speaker 5: Andrew Tate's response at this time is that these accusations
Speaker 5: are recycled smear campaign against them, and that they're sort
Speaker 5: of that the Romanian authorities were just desperate to keep
Speaker 5: the circus going. So Andrew Tate is telling his followers,
Speaker 5: you can't believe the authorities. They failed with the previous
Speaker 5: attempts and so now they have to level up the
Speaker 5: attacks on me. And this is a really effective response
Speaker 5: for a lot of his supporters around the world, and
Speaker 5: so he's using this delay, these types of investigations to
Speaker 5: build the case publicly for him in terms of his
Speaker 5: defense that listen, I haven't been convicted of anything. There's
Speaker 5: lots of allegations against me that they're just out to
Speaker 5: get me, that they don't really have anything on me,
Speaker 5: and that becomes a really effective response for a lot
Speaker 5: of his supporters, which is, you know, if he was
Speaker 5: actually guilty of something, he'd be convicted, but he's on
Speaker 5: home arrest and detention in Romania. He's not allowed to
Speaker 5: go anywhere, and so for a lot of people, a
Speaker 5: lot of his supporters, it really does look like he's
Speaker 5: just being persecuted in Romania and that this is all
Speaker 5: sort of a fake accusation against him. And you know,
Speaker 5: he's really used that well in terms of his defense,
Speaker 5: because it's almost ten years of accusations but no convictions.
Speaker 1: After several years of being on home arrest in Romania,
Speaker 1: the Tape Brothers are allowed to travel to the United States,
Speaker 1: where they are also citizens. In February of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: the brothers touchdown in Florida to much fanfare. Here's a
Speaker 1: clip from WPLG Local ten.
Speaker 2: Now, we're going to go out.
Speaker 6: To Fort Lauderdale International Airport where the Tape Brothers are
Speaker 6: just leaving the airport.
Speaker 1: We understand.
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll listen and see if we can hear what
Speaker 6: they're saying.
Speaker 7: All the things that go around about us on the
Speaker 7: internet We've yet to be convicted of any crime in
Speaker 7: our lives. Ever, we have no criminal record anywhere on
Speaker 7: the planet.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 7: Our case was dismissed on the nineteenth of December in
Speaker 7: Romania under the Biden administration, and our prosecutor recently decided,
Speaker 7: because we have no active indictment in court, to let
Speaker 7: us go and return. This is the democratic society. It's
Speaker 7: supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, as my brother.
Speaker 5: And I are. Social media really lights up, hailing the
Speaker 5: brothers as symbols of resilience, of masculinity, and of free speech.
Speaker 5: Andrew Tate is posting photos of him with an American
Speaker 5: flag with the caption that says freedom isn't granted by governments,
Speaker 5: It's taken back by strong men. Welcome to a new era.
Speaker 5: And then Tristan Tate, you know, follows up as essentially saying,
Speaker 5: you know, they tried to destroy us, they tried to
Speaker 5: destroy Trump, but the truth always wins. It isn't too
Speaker 5: long after they arrive in Florida that the state of
Speaker 5: Florida opens up a criminal investigation into the Tate brothers,
Speaker 5: and a couple days later, Andrew and Tristan Tate become
Speaker 5: the subjects of a new criminal investigation launched by the
Speaker 5: Florida Attorney General's office, and you immediately get pushed back
Speaker 5: on the Tate brothers in Florida by Governor DeSantis and
Speaker 5: a bunch of other Republican leaders at Attorney General's office.
Speaker 3: This morning, Florida's Attorney General opening a criminal investigation into
Speaker 3: American brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, who are charged with
Speaker 3: human trafficking in Europe. The Florida ag saying, based on
Speaker 3: a thorough review of the evidence, I've directed the Office
Speaker 3: of Statewide Prosecution to execute search warrants and issue subpoenas
Speaker 3: in the now act of criminal investigation into the Tate brothers.
Speaker 5: This kind of puts the Tate brothers on notice that,
Speaker 5: you know, America may not be the safest place for
Speaker 5: them right now. And they release a statement saying that
Speaker 5: it's a politically motivated fishing expedition, but they're now facing
Speaker 5: another investigation in the United States. It's in Florida. It's
Speaker 5: a place where they thought they would be fine. They
Speaker 5: returned to the US thinking that they were, you know,
Speaker 5: essentially going to be granted the freedom to move around
Speaker 5: the United States that they weren't having and didn't have
Speaker 5: in Romania. Governor Ron DeSantis even goes so far as
Speaker 5: saying that the Tate Brothers are not welcome in Florida,
Speaker 5: calling them self promoting degenerates hiding behind the masculinity branding.
Speaker 5: At the same time, President Trump is condemning Romania for
Speaker 5: their treatment of the Tate brothers on social media. But
Speaker 5: it's not too long after that that the Tate brothers
Speaker 5: decide that they need to get out of Florida.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another break. We'll be back in
Speaker 1: a moment. In addition to criminal accusations, Andrew Tate is
Speaker 1: also facing multiple civil suits. In March of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: Brianna Stern filed suit in Los Angeles. Brianna is a
Speaker 1: model and social media influencer who allegedly dated Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: for ten months. Here's body Movin followed by Stephanie.
Speaker 4: So she's the model. She gets on a flight from
Speaker 4: Los Angeles. She goes to Romania to do this cryptocurrency motion.
Speaker 6: He hands selects her and things move along really naturally.
Speaker 6: He constantly is texting her. He's actually sending her poems.
Speaker 6: One that says specifically, this is a quote of one
Speaker 6: of the poems Across the Seas, Across the Skies, two
Speaker 6: pookies live with loving ties, one in La where palm
Speaker 6: trees sway, the other in Bucharest, far away, though miles apart.
Speaker 6: They laugh, in play, with calls and texts to fill
Speaker 6: each day. Again, this guy's coming off like everything is
Speaker 6: perfectly normal. They were affectionate, He seemed generous and generally
Speaker 6: invested in her.
Speaker 4: He was love bombing her. Andrew Tait was love bombing her,
Speaker 4: and he insisted they use these encryptid messages like signal.
Speaker 4: He told her he was very powerful and these messages
Speaker 4: need to be secret.
Speaker 6: So do you think the reason that he was actually
Speaker 6: doing things so secretly was that he didn't want his
Speaker 6: kindness or his sweetness to be shared with the general public.
Speaker 4: That's wild, she tells us. He was never openly affectionate
Speaker 4: around others, never wanting any other man to see him
Speaker 4: being loving to a woman, because that ruins his whole
Speaker 4: manosphere and also male narrative, the.
Speaker 6: Fact that maybe under the surface he's showing kindness and
Speaker 6: sweetness and softness, but doesn't want anybody else to know
Speaker 6: it is is incredibly manipulative, very quickly. It goes from
Speaker 6: being white picket fence possibilities to your point body love
Speaker 6: bombing excessively, lots of secrets. And then one day he decides, frankly,
Speaker 6: without even her permission, according to her, that they are
Speaker 6: an item. She will be faithful, she will report in,
Speaker 6: she will be at his beck and call. But he
Speaker 6: is not held to the exact same standard, in fact,
Speaker 6: quite the opposite.
Speaker 4: He promised her financial security and listen, that's pretty attractive
Speaker 4: to a lot of people, right, being taken care of.
Speaker 4: So a few months into the relationship, she finds out
Speaker 4: about the Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate backgrounds and becomes
Speaker 4: aware of all the allegations against them, and she tells
Speaker 4: Tristan's girlfriend at the time, she says, we would ask
Speaker 4: each other, are you sure they didn't do this? We
Speaker 4: would always come to the conclusion that no, there's no
Speaker 4: way they could have done this. They're not monsters, They're
Speaker 4: not capable of that. But over time, obviously I started
Speaker 4: to see that side, which is interesting because slowly but surely,
Speaker 4: Andrew Tate and Tristian Tate's masks are slipping and little
Speaker 4: by little you start giving things up. Right, he starts
Speaker 4: asking her for her social media passwords. He's demanded she
Speaker 4: handed them over and download a tracking app so he
Speaker 4: can see where she is at all times. This is
Speaker 4: who he is, This is who he preaches. Who he
Speaker 4: is now the real Andrew Tate is showing himself and
Speaker 4: it's becoming a red flag for her.
Speaker 6: And he's showing signs of aggression, even if that didn't
Speaker 6: seem at all possible when she first met him. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's the stick. Allegedly, that's the grooming process. Allegedly your
Speaker 6: best foot forward, best shiny self, the masking. But eventually
Speaker 6: that wears off.
Speaker 4: He's starting to get kind of demanding and say really
Speaker 4: really awful things to her, and he's blaming it on her.
Speaker 4: In fact, the lawyers wrote that in their complaint this
Speaker 4: is a quote. Like many abusers, Tate would often tell
Speaker 4: the plaintiff that his outbursts were her own fault.
Speaker 6: Because he controls her, he owns her, and anything that
Speaker 6: causes a reaction in him is frankly her fault.
Speaker 4: At this point, she's starting to become like, Okay, what
Speaker 4: have I done? Have I gotten two in over my
Speaker 4: head was I swept away, but she was too scared
Speaker 4: to say anything or leave. Because Andrew Tate, She's realizing
Speaker 4: that he truly is a powerful man. In fact, he
Speaker 4: told her Trump is going to help me his legal
Speaker 4: problems in Romania. Trump is going to help me. I
Speaker 4: guess what he did then?
Speaker 6: According to her, he basically said, if you try to leave,
Speaker 6: or if you step out of line, I'm going to
Speaker 6: rape and or kill you. Where do you go from there?
Speaker 1: Brianna Stern out what she alleges happened on the day
Speaker 1: of her attack. The details are important as they show
Speaker 1: what an intimidating figure Tate appeared to be. This guy
Speaker 1: is a big deal. Imagine this.
Speaker 6: He flies to Los Angeles from Romania and then he
Speaker 6: like basically tweets, all right, I'm in Los Angeles. Let
Speaker 6: the criminal charges begin. I mean think of the Cajonis
Speaker 6: right like he's putting it out there. Then he has
Speaker 6: a meeting with Kanye West right before. So from an
Speaker 6: outsider looking in, this guy's running the world and is
Speaker 6: confident and is here to play.
Speaker 3: She says.
Speaker 4: He's screaming at her. She says, I beat you because
Speaker 4: I love you and your mind Why wouldn't I be
Speaker 4: able to hit you? And by the way, this correlates
Speaker 4: with text message screenshots that she's providing.
Speaker 6: I have the text in front of me right now.
Speaker 6: This is Tate saying you need to be hit to
Speaker 6: his girlfriend. She says, why I didn't like that? What
Speaker 6: did I do? He says, you deserve it if you
Speaker 6: were mine. Why wouldn't I be able to hit you?
Speaker 6: You talk too much?
Speaker 3: More?
Speaker 1: So I beat you. I will hit you today, but
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 6: Why the name calling? Do you understand? Because I want
Speaker 6: to beat the fuck out of you and you will
Speaker 6: give me a child this year, bitch. I mean, even
Speaker 6: just saying this out loud sounds absurd. I mean, even
Speaker 6: as I'm reading this, I have a cold chill. But
Speaker 6: imagine getting those texts.
Speaker 4: So the suit continues and it says this. The plaintiff
Speaker 4: began crying and begging for him to stop, and he
Speaker 4: would not. It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder,
Speaker 4: making plaintiff nearly lose consciousness. I mean, imagine your boyfriend
Speaker 4: choking you and all the while saying it's because I
Speaker 4: love you.
Speaker 6: Here's another text exchange. I really love hitting you it's
Speaker 6: very good for me and you. It's relaxing too, I think,
Speaker 6: and she says, pooky, no I cry.
Speaker 4: She claims that he would not be able to climax
Speaker 4: sexually unless he verbally degraded her to the point of
Speaker 4: feeling worthless and crying. Plaintiff protested and never stop crying
Speaker 4: and begging Tate to stop. However, her cries and pleas
Speaker 4: only led to Tate hitting her harder. The plaintiff protested
Speaker 4: and never stopped crying and begging Tate to stop. However,
Speaker 4: her cries and pleas only led to Tate hitting her harder.
Speaker 4: Her cries appeared to be what he wanted, what he
Speaker 4: needed to climax, the sick fetish of a disturbed man,
Speaker 4: and this is in the lawsuit.
Speaker 1: The civil suit is ongoing, as are all of the
Speaker 1: allegations against Andrew and Tristan Tate from the UK to
Speaker 1: Romania to Florida again. Neither Tate brother has been convicted
Speaker 1: of any of the crimes discussed in this episode. The
Speaker 1: Tatee brothers say they're persecuted, not predators. Their supporters say
Speaker 1: there's a war on masculinity. Prosecutors say the evidence tells
Speaker 1: another story. What is clear is their influence millions of
Speaker 1: young men hearing that control is love and violence is strength.
Speaker 1: Only a small number will act on it, but he
Speaker 1: will internalize it. Next time we dig into the world
Speaker 1: of looksmaxing, it's an economy of insecurity, from jawline math
Speaker 1: to paid fixes and the boys and men who buy in.
Speaker 1: For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow
Speaker 1: us on Instagram at KT Underscore Studios. In Cells is
Speaker 1: produced by Stephanie Leideger, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong.
Speaker 1: Additional producing by Connor Powell and Caroline Miller, Editing by
Speaker 1: Jeff Tooi music by Vanikore Studios. In Cells is a
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