1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset I. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Am a loser if also we know wouldn't pay me either. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 3: A hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 3: a deadly tipping. 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 4: Point in Cells will be added to the Terrorism Guide. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 5: I see literally zero hope. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: This is in Cells a production of KT Studios and 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts, Season one, Episode eight. I hit you because 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: I love you. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 6: He controls her, he owns her, and anything that causes 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 6: a reaction in him is frankly her fault. 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 5: Listen, I haven't been convicted of anything, and there's lots 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 5: of allegations against me, that they're just out to get me, 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 5: that they don't really have anything on me. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 4: It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder, making plaintiff 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 4: nearly lose consciousness. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a producer at Kat's Studios, with Stephanie Leidecker, 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Gabriel Castillo, Connor Powell, Carolyn Miller. In episode six, we 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: explored the Manosphere, a sprawling digital network that claims to 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: help men navigate dating, fitness, and fatherhood. However, it often 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: spreads to hostility and misogyny. Andrew Tate is widely known 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: as the king of the manosphere, and we touched on 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: his empire from Hustle University to his webcam businesses. We 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: decided to take a deeper dive into who Andrew Tate 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: and his brother Tristan are, how their upbringing shaped them, 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: as well as legal allegations piling up against them. Please note, 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: despite legal action pending in three countries, neither Andrew Tate 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: nor Tristan Tate have been convicted of any of the 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: crimes discussed in this episode. Here's Stephanie. 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 6: I always find it interesting that the Tape Brothers are 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 6: considered misogynists because, frankly, their background wouldn't suggest that that's 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 6: how this would really turn out. The Tape Brothers were, 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 6: by their own admission, raised in poverty. 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate was born in Washington, d c. At the 35 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Walter Reed Army Medical Center on December fourteenth, nineteen eighty six. 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: His father was a black man named Emery Tait, who 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: was an international master of chess and a highly competitive 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: figure known for his aggressive playing style. His mother, Eileen, 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: is a white englishwoman who worked as a catering assistant. 40 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: Andrew's brother, Tristan, was born in Chicago on July fifteenth, 41 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, and they have a younger sister who 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: is an attorney and lives a private life. Here again Stephanie, 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: followed by crime analyst Body Moven. 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 6: Mom and dad divorced in nineteen ninety seven, and they 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 6: basically split time between the United Kingdom and the United States. 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: His dad lived like a pretty nomadic lifestyle, surviving on 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: tournament weddings from chess tournaments. He didn't really have a 48 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 4: stable life. 49 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 6: He was a little anti regime and they refer to 50 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 6: him as being very ambitious, but clearly not that ambitious 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 6: because they were growing up in poverty in a different 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 6: country and not seeing their co parent hardly at all. 53 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 6: So it's just interesting to me that Dad is getting 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 6: that large of a voice in their heads given the 55 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 6: fact that they were being raised by a single mom 56 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 6: who's working her way to put them through school and 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 6: frankly doing a nice job of it, and they say 58 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 6: very loving things of her, yet their worldview on women 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 6: is really low. 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: Andrews saw his father, Emory Tate about once a year, 61 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: but he's been a hugely influential presence in his life. 62 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: Here's a podcast excerpt of Tate speaking about his father 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: with therapist David Sutcliffe. Was your father present with you? 64 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 7: No, that didn't bother them at all. 65 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: It didn't bother you. 66 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 7: No, he had things to do. 67 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 5: I didn't understand. 68 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 7: You know your history, that you were raised by seeing 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 7: your mother. Your father wasn't around, so you see him 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 7: once a year about that, Yeah, but I always understood 71 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 7: he's very busy and has a lot to do, like 72 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 7: you understand, like a little boy. I think a little 73 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 7: boy might think, why where's daddy? 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 5: I want daddy, I'm here alone with mom? 75 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 7: And he might be right because some fathers may not care. 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 7: But my father did care. He was just very busy. 77 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 7: But it must have been confusing for you. No, not 78 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 7: for the little boy. No, I never for a second 79 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 7: felt like he didn't care about me. 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 5: Ever, and that on some level, some of what you're 81 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 5: doing in the world is motivated by that, like wanting 82 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 5: to win the love of your father. 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 7: I think that's semi true, because I believe I have 84 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 7: a duty to my ancestors. I have the last name Tate, 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 7: it was bestowed upon me, and I have responsibilities to 86 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 7: live up to the last name Tate. I do believe 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 7: I have a duty to my ancestors. So is that 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 7: trying to win the love of my father? Perhaps I 89 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 7: never felt unloved by my father ever. In fact, I 90 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 7: would argue I had the best father on earth. I 91 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 7: never felt like I was owed all of his time. 92 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 7: I can earn his time, or that I can't have 93 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 7: as much of it as I want. 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: You have to earn his time. That was a son 95 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: should have to earn his father's time. 96 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, why not. 97 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: Andrew Tate often says that his dad taught him if 98 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 4: you can control your mind, you can control the world, 99 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 4: and drilled into them that intelligence is dominance, and that 100 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: the only currency that matters is cunning, being cunning and smart. 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 6: And how to beat the system essentially right. 102 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: So, how to bend, how to be a. 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 6: Hustler, how to be a hustler and hustle other young 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 6: men out of cash that you think you deserve more of. 105 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 6: And by the way, it's working because they've obviously accumulated 106 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 6: a ton of wealth. Now the other side to that is, look, 107 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 6: these are guys that pulled themselves out of poverty. According 108 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 6: to Andrew Tate himself, they literally grew up in poverty 109 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 6: in the United Kingdom, in England. The family lived on 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 6: the Marsh Farm estate in Luton, an area Andrew described 111 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 6: as quote the worst area of the worst town end 112 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 6: quote and listen. The family received welfare and the mother 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 6: worked tirelessly to provide for them. Andrew has discussed their 114 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 6: humble beginnings on social media many many times, claiming that 115 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 6: his family were the lowest echelon of life. 116 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Tape began his career as a professional kickboxer in 117 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and was ranked seventh best light 118 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: heavyweight kickboxer in the UK by the International Sports Karate Association. 119 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: He won several world titles and reportedly earned modest purses, 120 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 4: not enough to make him wealthy, but enough to build 121 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: a reputation. And during this time he began teaching kickboxing 122 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: and self defense lessons, both personal and line, which basically 123 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 4: grew his coaching business. And I think this is where 124 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: he got the model for his lifestyle coaching because it 125 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 4: was pretty successful. He leveraged early YouTube and forums to 126 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: promote a persona of discipline and dominance, which laid the 127 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 4: foundation for his later online empire. 128 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Body continues explaining how in cells in particular tend to 129 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: view the tape Brothers. It's new. 130 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: It's kind of a divided look on the Tape Brothers. Specifically, 131 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: some in cells really admire Andrew take, you know, the 132 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: alpha male. I think a lot of them can see 133 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: that the Tape Brothers are kind of like proof that 134 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: this hyper masculine confidence and physical dominance can overcome what 135 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: they perceive as an unfair dating hierarchy. But I think 136 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 4: most in cells have resentment towards the Tate Brothers. They 137 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: often accuse them of being fake alpha males who monetize 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: on the lonely man's epidemic. Right, the Tape Brothers basically 139 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 4: are red pill mano sphere influencers, and in cells typically 140 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: subscribe to the black pill ideology. And I think that 141 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: they sell like this hopism. They sell hope, and I 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 4: think in cells can view the Tape Brothers as two 143 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: men who busted their way out of this loneliness epidemic. 144 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: But that was never true. The Tape Brothers were never 145 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: in cells, but they sell it. They speak to in cells, 146 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: and they speak to the reason that the in cells 147 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: are such failures of life. And I think that in 148 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: cells who do listen to the Tape Brothers rhetoric have 149 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: hoped that if they purchase these courses, they're going to 150 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: escape it as well. 151 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Here's Louise, who identifies as a black pilled in cell. 152 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: He's twenty two years old, lives in southern California and 153 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: has been in the in cell community since he was 154 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: about nineteen. Louise talks about the dichotomy between the Tape 155 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: Brothers and in cells. 156 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: So, yeah, in cells were former pickup artists, which is 157 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: very interesting because actually research on that, there's a paper 158 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: by some guy called Devolving the Manosphere, like some academic guy. 159 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 2: That's when he found that on pickup artist forums. When 160 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: Internet traffic and user bases were going down, on insel 161 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: forums they were going up. So there's a pickup artist 162 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: to in cell pipeline. So you can imagine like a 163 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: young man who's struggling with women goes to pick up artistry, 164 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: learns cold approach and nagging and quino and all that 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: bullshit they do, all those like stupid when it belt 166 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: of tactics that they use doesn't work, and then boom 167 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: they become an insuell. And I think that's very important 168 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: because people, for example, like red pill people call those 169 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: guys in cells. They'd be like. People call Andrew Tate 170 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: an insull like insults. Hate all those I hate those people. 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: Those people suck insults. It's very specific, it's a very 172 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: very specific community. It's not red Pill, it's not none 173 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: of those guys. It's not a guy who hates women. Look, 174 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: I hate to say this. There's plenty of guys out 175 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: there who hate women and they do just fine. You know, 176 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: that's just the unfortunate reality. Okay, we don't live in 177 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: some just world and there are plenty of guys who 178 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: don't hate women and their virgins. 179 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: M let's stop here for a break. We'll be back 180 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: in a moment. 181 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: M hm. 182 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: We spoke about Andrew Tate's Hustler University and other man 183 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: camps in a previous episode, but wanted to look into 184 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: how his webcam business came to be, as well as 185 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: legal allegations surrounding them. It's important to note that Andrew 186 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: Tate denies all the following allegations. Here's investigative journalist Connor Powell. 187 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 5: Andrew Tate in twenty sixteen was an unknown social media 188 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 5: influencer until he landed on a pretty big show in 189 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 5: the UK called Big Brother UK. During that time, the 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 5: producers of The Big Brother all found out that the 191 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 5: Bedfordshire Police and the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK 192 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: had investigated Andrew Tate after two women in Luden, England, 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 5: accused him of rape and physical assault, and that sort 194 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 5: of ended his appearance on this show. It did two things. 195 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 5: On one hand, he's now dealing with these accusations of 196 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 5: rape and sexual assault, but now he's famous across England 197 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 5: and the United Kingdom and really the world at this time. 198 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 5: So as soon as these accusations appear, one of the 199 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 5: other things that comes out is a video of Andrew 200 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 5: Tate physically abusing a woman, beating her, talking, just saying 201 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 5: really vile things to her. 202 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: Here's an excerpt from that video. The voice you hear 203 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: is Andrew Tates. In the video, we see the back 204 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: of a woman pointing out bruises on her lower half. 205 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 7: Show the camera your tattoo, Tell the camera I beat 206 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 7: you when you don't do as I say? Why are 207 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 7: you getting hit? 208 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Why are you getting beaten? 209 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 7: Do as I say? 210 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 5: Now? Andrew Tait has claimed since that time that he 211 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 5: did nothing wrong and that the video was a private 212 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 5: game taken out of context, and you know, he said 213 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 5: back in twenty sixteen that he would never hurt anyone 214 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 5: against their will, But that doesn't quite square with what 215 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 5: the alleged victim actually told Vice News a couple of 216 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 5: years later. She claimed that they had told the police 217 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 5: everything at first, and that her feeling was that the 218 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 5: police believed her, but then nothing happened. The police in 219 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 5: the United Kingdom don't charge him with anything. But then 220 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: a few years later, in twenty twenty three, Andrew Tate 221 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 5: and his brother Tristan are now living in Romania, and 222 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 5: for several years their online personality is growing. They're selling sex, 223 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 5: They're selling fast cars, money, guns. It's all backed up 224 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 5: with sort of misogynistic type language about how women are 225 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 5: just there to serve men. And Andrew Tate has sort 226 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 5: of cracked the code of what it is to be 227 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 5: a real man. 228 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: In December of twenty twenty two, the Romanian police rate 229 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate's compound and caressed it's a late 230 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: night operation and they storm the villa. The brothers are 231 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: arrested on human trafficking, rape and forming an organized criminal unit. 232 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 5: They find money, they find guns, They find weapons all 233 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: over the house. They also find these surveillance video cameras 234 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 5: where Andrew and Tristan are accused of basically running a 235 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 5: sex ring where these women are forced to perform sexual 236 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 5: acts on camera. The accusation is that these acts were 237 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 5: against their will, that they weren't willing participants because they 238 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 5: weren't able to leave this compound, that Andrew and Tristan 239 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 5: were essentially holding them there, and that's the accusation. And 240 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 5: this is when Andrew Tate really begins to deal with 241 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 5: some serious legal problems, and this twenty fifteen case is 242 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: brought back up as sort of, look, there's precedent, There 243 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 5: is accusations of assault and rape that stem from years before. 244 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 5: So that twenty fifteen case, which is wrapped up in 245 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 5: twenty sixteen with no charges, then becomes part of a 246 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three case in Romania. 247 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: Here's a clip from an appearance Andrew Tate did on 248 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: a podcast called Fit and Fresh. He's talking about one 249 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: of the arrests. 250 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 7: I was like, who are you They're going to arrest 251 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 7: for a suspicion of assault of this dumb hope, Like. 252 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: They didn't bom gonna protect. 253 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: I'm a knife guy. 254 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate were arrested and detained, their passports taken. 255 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: They're now facing allegations of human trafficking, one counter rape, 256 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: and being part of an organized criminal group. 257 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 5: Connor continues, what the Romanian prosecutors and in the country 258 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 5: start accusing him of doing is essentially using this lover 259 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: boy method. And the idea behind this lover boy method 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 5: is that Andrew tate women into his compound, into his 261 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 5: world with the promise of a relationship or modeling work 262 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 5: and then coercing them into producing explicit content and dressing online, 263 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 5: doing sex acts online. But the money that they make 264 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 5: while living in Romania while running this sex trafficking organization, 265 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 5: essentially is when the money really explodes for them, and 266 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 5: six women actually come forward and say that this was 267 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 5: happening to them, and they're using these women to perform 268 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 5: these sex acts on camera, they're videoing it, they're putting 269 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 5: it out there on the Internet to subscribers, and the 270 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 5: amount of money that at their disposal just explodes. They 271 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 5: go from being wealthy and rich to living extravagant lifestyles 272 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 5: where they can just do anything, and it's all built 273 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 5: on the back of these women that they're exploiting. 274 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: All the while Andrew take continues online appearances spreading his 275 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: message that women should submit to men. 276 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 7: In the past famously said I am absolutely sexist and 277 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 7: I'm absolutely a misogynist. 278 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: The woman must. 279 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 7: Learn that her man is an iron mountain and the 280 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 7: easiest path is to obey. 281 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 4: Any other kind of resistance simply doesn't work. 282 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: The investigation into the Tape Brothers expands further still as 283 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: authorities arrest two women who are part of Tate's inner circle. Again, 284 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Connor Powell. 285 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 5: You often see there's one or two women who are 286 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 5: helping to recruit other women into this sex trafficking ring, 287 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: and that's essentially what we see with these two other women. 288 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 5: After a year of negative headlines and being arrested and 289 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 5: essentially being detained in Romania, the Tape Brothers, they go 290 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 5: on the offensive. They launched this sort of global media 291 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 5: offensive around the world, claiming to be politically persecuted and 292 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 5: that the Romanian prosecutors are essentially attacking them for their 293 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 5: political views. 294 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: Andrew and Tristan Tate takes to social media x Rumble podcasts, 295 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: all with the message of standing up for men around 296 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: the world and fighting what they call the war on 297 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: men and the war on free speech, and so. 298 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 5: You've got this entire debate going on about what it 299 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 5: is to be a young man, what it is to 300 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 5: be able to have free speech. They deny all the charges, 301 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 5: They repeat the claim that these women were all consenting 302 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 5: partners and that they were fabricating their stories. But more importantly, 303 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 5: they don't just make these claims. The people who follow 304 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 5: Andrew and Tristan Tate they repeat these claims. And so 305 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 5: the way that the innocent claims are echoed across all 306 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 5: of social media, it just rrupts. 307 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 7: I think it's extremely important that we stop allowing media spin, 308 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 7: wrap up smears, lies, or carefully constructed narratives from George 309 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 7: Soros funded operations trying to destroy the reputations of good 310 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 7: people who have no intention to do anything other than 311 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 7: follow They. 312 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 5: Had claimed, essentially that the Matrix was attacking them, a 313 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 5: reference to the movie The Matrix, that there's this sort 314 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: of hidden global network that was attacking the Tape Brothers 315 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 5: because of their support for male masculinity and their support 316 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 5: for free speech. And they see a real surge in 317 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 5: popularity around this time, and this campaign forms their response 318 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 5: to these charges, and it becomes a very effective response 319 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 5: public relations wise. The Romanian authorities hit back and in 320 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 5: August of twenty twenty four they opened new criminal charges 321 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 5: and an investigation in the Tristan and Andrew Tat. 322 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: The new accusations allege that not only were they trafficking adults, 323 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: but now they're human trafficking miners. There's also account of 324 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: having intercourse with the miner, tampering with witnesses, and money laundering. 325 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 5: Andrew Tate's response at this time is that these accusations 326 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 5: are recycled smear campaign against them, and that they're sort 327 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 5: of that the Romanian authorities were just desperate to keep 328 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 5: the circus going. So Andrew Tate is telling his followers, 329 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 5: you can't believe the authorities. They failed with the previous 330 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 5: attempts and so now they have to level up the 331 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 5: attacks on me. And this is a really effective response 332 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 5: for a lot of his supporters around the world, and 333 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 5: so he's using this delay, these types of investigations to 334 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 5: build the case publicly for him in terms of his 335 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 5: defense that listen, I haven't been convicted of anything. There's 336 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 5: lots of allegations against me that they're just out to 337 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 5: get me, that they don't really have anything on me, 338 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 5: and that becomes a really effective response for a lot 339 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: of his supporters, which is, you know, if he was 340 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: actually guilty of something, he'd be convicted, but he's on 341 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 5: home arrest and detention in Romania. He's not allowed to 342 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 5: go anywhere, and so for a lot of people, a 343 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 5: lot of his supporters, it really does look like he's 344 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 5: just being persecuted in Romania and that this is all 345 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 5: sort of a fake accusation against him. And you know, 346 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 5: he's really used that well in terms of his defense, 347 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 5: because it's almost ten years of accusations but no convictions. 348 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: After several years of being on home arrest in Romania, 349 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: the Tape Brothers are allowed to travel to the United States, 350 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: where they are also citizens. In February of twenty twenty five, 351 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: the brothers touchdown in Florida to much fanfare. Here's a 352 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: clip from WPLG Local ten. 353 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: Now, we're going to go out. 354 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 6: To Fort Lauderdale International Airport where the Tape Brothers are 355 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 6: just leaving the airport. 356 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: We understand. 357 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 6: Maybe we'll listen and see if we can hear what 358 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 6: they're saying. 359 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 7: All the things that go around about us on the 360 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 7: internet We've yet to be convicted of any crime in 361 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 7: our lives. Ever, we have no criminal record anywhere on 362 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 7: the planet. 363 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: Ever. 364 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 7: Our case was dismissed on the nineteenth of December in 365 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 7: Romania under the Biden administration, and our prosecutor recently decided, 366 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 7: because we have no active indictment in court, to let 367 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 7: us go and return. This is the democratic society. It's 368 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 7: supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, as my brother. 369 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 5: And I are. Social media really lights up, hailing the 370 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 5: brothers as symbols of resilience, of masculinity, and of free speech. 371 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 5: Andrew Tate is posting photos of him with an American 372 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 5: flag with the caption that says freedom isn't granted by governments, 373 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 5: It's taken back by strong men. Welcome to a new era. 374 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 5: And then Tristan Tate, you know, follows up as essentially saying, 375 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 5: you know, they tried to destroy us, they tried to 376 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 5: destroy Trump, but the truth always wins. It isn't too 377 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 5: long after they arrive in Florida that the state of 378 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 5: Florida opens up a criminal investigation into the Tate brothers, 379 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: and a couple days later, Andrew and Tristan Tate become 380 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 5: the subjects of a new criminal investigation launched by the 381 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 5: Florida Attorney General's office, and you immediately get pushed back 382 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 5: on the Tate brothers in Florida by Governor DeSantis and 383 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 5: a bunch of other Republican leaders at Attorney General's office. 384 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: This morning, Florida's Attorney General opening a criminal investigation into 385 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: American brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, who are charged with 386 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: human trafficking in Europe. The Florida ag saying, based on 387 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: a thorough review of the evidence, I've directed the Office 388 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: of Statewide Prosecution to execute search warrants and issue subpoenas 389 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: in the now act of criminal investigation into the Tate brothers. 390 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 5: This kind of puts the Tate brothers on notice that, 391 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: you know, America may not be the safest place for 392 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 5: them right now. And they release a statement saying that 393 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 5: it's a politically motivated fishing expedition, but they're now facing 394 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 5: another investigation in the United States. It's in Florida. It's 395 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 5: a place where they thought they would be fine. They 396 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 5: returned to the US thinking that they were, you know, 397 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: essentially going to be granted the freedom to move around 398 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 5: the United States that they weren't having and didn't have 399 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 5: in Romania. Governor Ron DeSantis even goes so far as 400 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 5: saying that the Tate Brothers are not welcome in Florida, 401 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: calling them self promoting degenerates hiding behind the masculinity branding. 402 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 5: At the same time, President Trump is condemning Romania for 403 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 5: their treatment of the Tate brothers on social media. But 404 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 5: it's not too long after that that the Tate brothers 405 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 5: decide that they need to get out of Florida. 406 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another break. We'll be back in 407 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: a moment. In addition to criminal accusations, Andrew Tate is 408 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: also facing multiple civil suits. In March of twenty twenty five, 409 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: Brianna Stern filed suit in Los Angeles. Brianna is a 410 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: model and social media influencer who allegedly dated Andrew Tate 411 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: for ten months. Here's body Movin followed by Stephanie. 412 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 4: So she's the model. She gets on a flight from 413 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 4: Los Angeles. She goes to Romania to do this cryptocurrency motion. 414 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 6: He hands selects her and things move along really naturally. 415 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 6: He constantly is texting her. He's actually sending her poems. 416 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 6: One that says specifically, this is a quote of one 417 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 6: of the poems Across the Seas, Across the Skies, two 418 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 6: pookies live with loving ties, one in La where palm 419 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 6: trees sway, the other in Bucharest, far away, though miles apart. 420 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 6: They laugh, in play, with calls and texts to fill 421 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 6: each day. Again, this guy's coming off like everything is 422 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 6: perfectly normal. They were affectionate, He seemed generous and generally 423 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 6: invested in her. 424 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 4: He was love bombing her. Andrew Tait was love bombing her, 425 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: and he insisted they use these encryptid messages like signal. 426 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 4: He told her he was very powerful and these messages 427 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 4: need to be secret. 428 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 6: So do you think the reason that he was actually 429 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 6: doing things so secretly was that he didn't want his 430 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 6: kindness or his sweetness to be shared with the general public. 431 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 4: That's wild, she tells us. He was never openly affectionate 432 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: around others, never wanting any other man to see him 433 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: being loving to a woman, because that ruins his whole 434 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 4: manosphere and also male narrative, the. 435 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 6: Fact that maybe under the surface he's showing kindness and 436 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 6: sweetness and softness, but doesn't want anybody else to know 437 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 6: it is is incredibly manipulative, very quickly. It goes from 438 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 6: being white picket fence possibilities to your point body love 439 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 6: bombing excessively, lots of secrets. And then one day he decides, frankly, 440 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 6: without even her permission, according to her, that they are 441 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 6: an item. She will be faithful, she will report in, 442 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 6: she will be at his beck and call. But he 443 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 6: is not held to the exact same standard, in fact, 444 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 6: quite the opposite. 445 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 4: He promised her financial security and listen, that's pretty attractive 446 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 4: to a lot of people, right, being taken care of. 447 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: So a few months into the relationship, she finds out 448 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: about the Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate backgrounds and becomes 449 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: aware of all the allegations against them, and she tells 450 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 4: Tristan's girlfriend at the time, she says, we would ask 451 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 4: each other, are you sure they didn't do this? We 452 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 4: would always come to the conclusion that no, there's no 453 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: way they could have done this. They're not monsters, They're 454 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 4: not capable of that. But over time, obviously I started 455 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: to see that side, which is interesting because slowly but surely, 456 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: Andrew Tate and Tristian Tate's masks are slipping and little 457 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 4: by little you start giving things up. Right, he starts 458 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 4: asking her for her social media passwords. He's demanded she 459 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 4: handed them over and download a tracking app so he 460 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 4: can see where she is at all times. This is 461 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 4: who he is, This is who he preaches. Who he 462 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 4: is now the real Andrew Tate is showing himself and 463 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 4: it's becoming a red flag for her. 464 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 6: And he's showing signs of aggression, even if that didn't 465 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 6: seem at all possible when she first met him. Yeah, 466 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 6: that's the stick. Allegedly, that's the grooming process. Allegedly your 467 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 6: best foot forward, best shiny self, the masking. But eventually 468 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 6: that wears off. 469 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: He's starting to get kind of demanding and say really 470 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 4: really awful things to her, and he's blaming it on her. 471 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 4: In fact, the lawyers wrote that in their complaint this 472 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 4: is a quote. Like many abusers, Tate would often tell 473 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 4: the plaintiff that his outbursts were her own fault. 474 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 6: Because he controls her, he owns her, and anything that 475 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 6: causes a reaction in him is frankly her fault. 476 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 4: At this point, she's starting to become like, Okay, what 477 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 4: have I done? Have I gotten two in over my 478 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 4: head was I swept away, but she was too scared 479 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 4: to say anything or leave. Because Andrew Tate, She's realizing 480 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: that he truly is a powerful man. In fact, he 481 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 4: told her Trump is going to help me his legal 482 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 4: problems in Romania. Trump is going to help me. I 483 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 4: guess what he did then? 484 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 6: According to her, he basically said, if you try to leave, 485 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 6: or if you step out of line, I'm going to 486 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 6: rape and or kill you. Where do you go from there? 487 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Brianna Stern out what she alleges happened on the day 488 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: of her attack. The details are important as they show 489 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: what an intimidating figure Tate appeared to be. This guy 490 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: is a big deal. Imagine this. 491 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 6: He flies to Los Angeles from Romania and then he 492 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 6: like basically tweets, all right, I'm in Los Angeles. Let 493 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 6: the criminal charges begin. I mean think of the Cajonis 494 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 6: right like he's putting it out there. Then he has 495 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 6: a meeting with Kanye West right before. So from an 496 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 6: outsider looking in, this guy's running the world and is 497 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 6: confident and is here to play. 498 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: She says. 499 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 4: He's screaming at her. She says, I beat you because 500 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 4: I love you and your mind Why wouldn't I be 501 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: able to hit you? And by the way, this correlates 502 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: with text message screenshots that she's providing. 503 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 6: I have the text in front of me right now. 504 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 6: This is Tate saying you need to be hit to 505 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 6: his girlfriend. She says, why I didn't like that? What 506 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 6: did I do? He says, you deserve it if you 507 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 6: were mine. Why wouldn't I be able to hit you? 508 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 6: You talk too much? 509 00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 3: More? 510 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: So I beat you. I will hit you today, but 511 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: I love you. 512 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 6: Why the name calling? Do you understand? Because I want 513 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 6: to beat the fuck out of you and you will 514 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 6: give me a child this year, bitch. I mean, even 515 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 6: just saying this out loud sounds absurd. I mean, even 516 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 6: as I'm reading this, I have a cold chill. But 517 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 6: imagine getting those texts. 518 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 4: So the suit continues and it says this. The plaintiff 519 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: began crying and begging for him to stop, and he 520 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 4: would not. It continued to choke plaintiff harder and harder, 521 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 4: making plaintiff nearly lose consciousness. I mean, imagine your boyfriend 522 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 4: choking you and all the while saying it's because I 523 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: love you. 524 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 6: Here's another text exchange. I really love hitting you it's 525 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 6: very good for me and you. It's relaxing too, I think, 526 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 6: and she says, pooky, no I cry. 527 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: She claims that he would not be able to climax 528 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: sexually unless he verbally degraded her to the point of 529 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: feeling worthless and crying. Plaintiff protested and never stop crying 530 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 4: and begging Tate to stop. However, her cries and pleas 531 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 4: only led to Tate hitting her harder. The plaintiff protested 532 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: and never stopped crying and begging Tate to stop. However, 533 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 4: her cries and pleas only led to Tate hitting her harder. 534 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 4: Her cries appeared to be what he wanted, what he 535 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: needed to climax, the sick fetish of a disturbed man, 536 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 4: and this is in the lawsuit. 537 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: The civil suit is ongoing, as are all of the 538 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: allegations against Andrew and Tristan Tate from the UK to 539 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: Romania to Florida again. Neither Tate brother has been convicted 540 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: of any of the crimes discussed in this episode. The 541 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: Tatee brothers say they're persecuted, not predators. Their supporters say 542 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: there's a war on masculinity. Prosecutors say the evidence tells 543 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: another story. What is clear is their influence millions of 544 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: young men hearing that control is love and violence is strength. 545 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: Only a small number will act on it, but he 546 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: will internalize it. Next time we dig into the world 547 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: of looksmaxing, it's an economy of insecurity, from jawline math 548 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: to paid fixes and the boys and men who buy in. 549 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: For more information on the case and relevant photos, follow 550 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: us on Instagram at KT Underscore Studios. In Cells is 551 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: produced by Stephanie Leideger, Gabriel Castillo and me Courtney Armstrong. 552 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Additional producing by Connor Powell and Caroline Miller, Editing by 553 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Tooi music by Vanikore Studios. In Cells is a 554 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: production of KT Studios and iHeart Podcasts. For more podcasts 555 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: like this, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 556 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.