Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club flowing out of the backfields,
Speaker 1: flooding down the sightlines. He's hanging with the Boys broadcasting
Speaker 1: line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and Shannon Gross. Well,
Speaker 1: we're a man down today. Nate had to go take
Speaker 1: care of some business. But we are joined by a
Speaker 1: very special guest, Rob Phillips. Just kidding, Rob is filling
Speaker 1: in for Nate, but just a guest. We got a
Speaker 1: special guest. We have a very special guest, and we'll
Speaker 1: get right to it. We are joined on the show
Speaker 1: by Steven Jones. How are you today, Steven? Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: doing great, guys, good to be on and uh like
Speaker 1: I'm not holding up this seat. Well I'm in Nate seat.
Speaker 1: It's hard to feel. Nate stretched it a little bit.
Speaker 1: We'll appreciate you joining us. What's what's a day like
Speaker 1: around OTAs look like for you? What what do you
Speaker 1: do on a OTA day? Well? Uh, you know, you're
Speaker 1: just out there a little bit, trying to get a
Speaker 1: little glimpse of what these guys are looking like you know,
Speaker 1: right now, Will and I did a quick count. I
Speaker 1: think we've got ninety players out there. In forty five
Speaker 1: of them are new first time around. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot to look at and certainly, you know, you enjoy
Speaker 1: the fruits of the work. I mean, we're obviously very
Speaker 1: optimistic about what we've done with this team, the pieces
Speaker 1: we've added. Uh, certainly missing a lot of familiar faces
Speaker 1: out there when you think about Tony and Dez and
Speaker 1: and Jason. But at the same time, it's exciting because
Speaker 1: we do have so many new faces, not only players,
Speaker 1: but coaches and uh, certainly I think the new coaches
Speaker 1: along with the guys who've been here a while or
Speaker 1: certainly looking forward to the challenge and working with these
Speaker 1: guys who are really wanting to step step their play
Speaker 1: up and step up. And obviously in a lot of
Speaker 1: cases here, if we're gonna be looking for some players
Speaker 1: to step into some shoes that legends, real legends of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, Uh, they're gonna have to step up
Speaker 1: and fill those type of shoes. But it's an exciting time. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a it's nervousness, but it's a good, nervous and
Speaker 1: so uh uh, you know, you you step out there
Speaker 1: and you take a look at it now, albeit you're
Speaker 1: looking at them in shorts and helmets and it's not,
Speaker 1: as we call it, real football yet. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: they're learning, they're learning systems, they're learning some of the
Speaker 1: techniques that we expect from them, but you're not seeing
Speaker 1: real football yet. And so we really won't know what
Speaker 1: we got our hands on until you put on the
Speaker 1: pads there and Oxnard for the first time, and uh
Speaker 1: start to play some of those preseason games. You'll get
Speaker 1: a lot better feel for what some of these guys
Speaker 1: can do. Speaking about Oxnard, real quick, y'all release the
Speaker 1: dates of camp. I don't think we officially have. We're
Speaker 1: still working on our schedule. You know. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: you don't you do things. You might start a day
Speaker 1: or two here for the start of it, do a
Speaker 1: little let people get acclimated, and then head out. I
Speaker 1: know we've done that before, but I think Jason's trying
Speaker 1: to come up with his final recommendation for us in
Speaker 1: terms of how he'd like to proceed with training camp. Okay,
Speaker 1: it seems like the youngest team we've had I haven't
Speaker 1: done the math on the age, but it seems like
Speaker 1: such a young team this year. Is that create any concerns?
Speaker 1: Does that change anything of how the seasons approached it
Speaker 1: all and what's how the preparation comes. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's a good mix. You know, you look at that
Speaker 1: offensive line, they're certainly seasoned. They're one of the best
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Certainly that's what you want. Then you
Speaker 1: look at what you'd call young guys and Dak and
Speaker 1: Zeke and you know, I read a deal the other
Speaker 1: day where they're two of the type MVP candidates in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and so they certainly I don't look at
Speaker 1: them necessarily as a young guys anymore because they've been
Speaker 1: around the block. Uh, certainly that receiving corps albeit, uh
Speaker 1: there's no death, there's you've got guys like Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: and Terrence Williams and uh, you know that crew that
Speaker 1: have done some good things for us. But that's probably
Speaker 1: one of the greener groups. And then anytime you lose
Speaker 1: a Jason Witten, Uh, certainly that's a green group. But
Speaker 1: certainly we think probably U are more excited about the
Speaker 1: group than most because you know, we see some good
Speaker 1: skilled players there. And now there's no high draft picks there.
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's no Jason Witten, so we understand that.
Speaker 1: And then defensively, you mix Sean Lee and with that
Speaker 1: young group of linebackers. I think he's got that covered
Speaker 1: deal all with that group of defensive lineman. And then
Speaker 1: you mix in that secondary back there with Byron and
Speaker 1: uh and then it gets young. But it's exciting to
Speaker 1: think of the players that we've added back there and
Speaker 1: feel good that they're gonna make a difference. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about the receiver position, Stephen. You mentioned
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned the draft. There is no Atlanta
Speaker 1: type Julio Jones. Guy's gonna get your hunry catches. And again,
Speaker 1: the offense isn't built like that You've got. It's a
Speaker 1: Zeke run first offense. But how do you size up
Speaker 1: what you've done at receiver and knowing that Dak's the
Speaker 1: type of guy that likes to hit the open guy anyway,
Speaker 1: He's not going to force things, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you think that position stacks up? Well? I think
Speaker 1: you're spot on. I think you know you'd probably be
Speaker 1: way too optimistic to think we've got a true number
Speaker 1: one receiver as we sit here today. Hopefully you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that changes, who knows, But I will say this,
Speaker 1: when we sat down in the off season to look
Speaker 1: to go back to that term, Dac friendly what was
Speaker 1: in his best interest. I think these moves could end
Speaker 1: up making dact better because I think he's a quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's very cerebral. He certainly understands the system, he works
Speaker 1: at it, and he likes to work through his progressions
Speaker 1: and that's hard to find in quarterbacks. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are good going first, progression, second, and then things
Speaker 1: get blurry. For him, he likes to go first, second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: and not feel any pressure to have to force the ball.
Speaker 1: And I think with this group of receivers and tight
Speaker 1: ends now and that's what made him great. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. Between Doz and Jason, certainly there's always pressure
Speaker 1: to get the ball to players like that and sometimes
Speaker 1: even when it's not necessarily the the read. And I think, now, Dak,
Speaker 1: can you know, not feel any pressure, work through this
Speaker 1: progressions and get the ball. I you know, I could
Speaker 1: easily listening to Scott and Jason see games where you
Speaker 1: know he eight different people touch the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: catch footballs and and so I think that's what we,
Speaker 1: you know, are going to look forward to for right now.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams get it done. There's
Speaker 1: good teams that get it done that way without the
Speaker 1: dominant Julio Jones does Bryant type of receiver, and we
Speaker 1: feel confident and that we can be very successful moving
Speaker 1: the ball with this offensive line Zeke and then really
Speaker 1: letting Dakh just run the offense. So you think that
Speaker 1: he's coming off a down years injured, now he's had
Speaker 1: some off the field stuff going on, Can Terrence still
Speaker 1: be is He's still gonna be counting on as he's well,
Speaker 1: he's got to go to work. I mean, there's no question,
Speaker 1: and that's not his character. H In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: think Terrence is a you know, top top end guy.
Speaker 1: I think obviously, you know, from what you see there,
Speaker 1: probably made some bad decisions that night, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody's perfect. But if you look at Terence's full body
Speaker 1: of work, I think Terence is a good person. He's
Speaker 1: gonna work hard. But you know, we brought several receivers in.
Speaker 1: We lost Dez and but we brought in obviously drafted
Speaker 1: u Gallop and then you turn around and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: paid some decent money, uh to Deante and to Hearns,
Speaker 1: and so it's gonna be competitive. And anyone who thinks
Speaker 1: they're just going to walk out there and something's gonna
Speaker 1: be given to him, you know, they got another thing
Speaker 1: coming signed. Jay's a great, great receiver coach. We think
Speaker 1: he's one of the best in the NFL, and he
Speaker 1: wanted it to be very competitive, and that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to have a competitive situation to make this roster
Speaker 1: at receiver. When you're out there watching practice, are you
Speaker 1: watching the coaches some as much as the players at times,
Speaker 1: just to kind of see Jerry's mentioned your new ideas
Speaker 1: new you know, just it's a new group. As much
Speaker 1: as there's some change on the roster. Well, I've probably
Speaker 1: the one, you know, I hate to say you've enjoyed.
Speaker 1: You know, you enjoy watching one go more than other.
Speaker 1: But obviously Chris Frossard's bringing some energy out there. Reminds
Speaker 1: me a little bit of Jerome Henderson. He's in his cleats.
Speaker 1: I think he still thinks he played dB. I know
Speaker 1: Jerome did so, but he brings a lot of energy,
Speaker 1: certainly very vocal, not unlike Ride, and certainly have enjoyed
Speaker 1: watching him coach these young defensive backs and he looks
Speaker 1: forward to it. He loves the talent and the group.
Speaker 1: If you take obviously the draft that we had last year,
Speaker 1: where you take four defensive backs, it's a you know,
Speaker 1: certainly a young group, but a group that he's certainly
Speaker 1: fired up to work with. I know he said personally
Speaker 1: they had Shadobe as their guy to pick right behind
Speaker 1: us they're in Seattle, that they were going to pick him.
Speaker 1: So he loved Shadobe coming out and certainly loves what
Speaker 1: Byron represents with his length and moving him back to corner. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he was a big part of that move, wanting to
Speaker 1: move him back to being that long corner. And so
Speaker 1: we're excited about what's going to go on back there.
Speaker 1: But I do find myself watching both. You watch watch
Speaker 1: those coaches that are a course Ride, you can't ever
Speaker 1: miss Ride. Yeah, he's gonna give you a laugh. Ever
Speaker 1: practice in terms of getting in those guys and work
Speaker 1: at them. And it's always interesting when you bring in
Speaker 1: these young defensive linemen because boy, their eyes are like holy,
Speaker 1: what did I get myself into. I'm not so sure
Speaker 1: some of the reasons we lose some of these guys,
Speaker 1: like a McClean. As he went to bed, he was
Speaker 1: fired up about coming back to Dallas, and then he
Speaker 1: went to sleep that night said pod drills riding and
Speaker 1: I think I'll go to Atlanta. Well, we know you
Speaker 1: got to get out of here. I have one question
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of off the field, related with with
Speaker 1: Father's Day coming up here in a week and a
Speaker 1: half or so, what is the Jones household like around
Speaker 1: Father's Day? I mean, your dad's you know, done some
Speaker 1: really cool stuff in his life. He's got everything. Do
Speaker 1: y'all just do you still buy gifts? Do you just
Speaker 1: hate out? What? What's that like? Yeah, well we do.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's a special day obviously. I've been so
Speaker 1: blessed to have a wonderful father who's I've been blessed
Speaker 1: not only to what he was as a father figure
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, but also to be able
Speaker 1: to work side by side with him my entire life. So, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, so special, and he's given so much as
Speaker 1: a father, not only to me, but my brother and sister. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people you know find that
Speaker 1: hard to believe that you know, a guy like that
Speaker 1: has uh spent just as much time being a great father,
Speaker 1: and that is what he is. He's all about family. Certainly,
Speaker 1: I'm blessed to have four wonderful children. The three daughters
Speaker 1: that have done so well, and my son will get
Speaker 1: to hopefully all spend time together. I'll get to spend
Speaker 1: a little time with my father and then I'll get
Speaker 1: to spend some time with my kids. And Uh, I
Speaker 1: joke a little bit that I'm that guy. I've got
Speaker 1: the real famous father that I've known forever. So I
Speaker 1: got his suitcase in my left hand. And little did
Speaker 1: I know, though i'd have a son, that they were
Speaker 1: gonna walk right by me in Hyland Park and ask
Speaker 1: for his autographs. So I've got and I never thought
Speaker 1: I'd love ever minute of it. So it's great, uh
Speaker 1: being a father, and then obviously being so fortunate to
Speaker 1: have a father, and even further than that, two wonderful
Speaker 1: grandfathers that my father loved. H two had such a
Speaker 1: special influence on my life, both my grandfathers as well
Speaker 1: as my father's. So it's a it's a great day. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wish all fathers out there a happy Father's Day,
Speaker 1: and the only advice I give is, you can't ever
Speaker 1: spend enough time with your kids, so love them and
Speaker 1: squeeze them and enjoy the day. We enjoyed the time
Speaker 1: that you gave us today. We appreciate you coming home.
Speaker 1: We know you gotta run, so we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we will be right back on hanging
Speaker 1: with the boys. It can be hard to find the
Speaker 1: right resource for learning about important financial matters. You search
Speaker 1: how to build savings, you end up reading about the
Speaker 1: one weird ingredient from supermarkets that can make you taller.
Speaker 1: That's why Bank of America build Better Money Habits dot com,
Speaker 1: a safe little corner of the Internet for answering your
Speaker 1: financial questions. Full of simple videos and tips, Better Money
Speaker 1: Habits can show you how to make the most of
Speaker 1: your money without resorting to random searches that always seem
Speaker 1: to lead to unbelievable photos of childhood stars grown up.
Speaker 1: To learn more, visit better Money habits dot com. I
Speaker 1: definitely have an Instagram foody thing, but the low light
Speaker 1: camera on my new Samsung Galaxy S nine from ATNT
Speaker 1: is getting me a whole new world of likes and shares,
Speaker 1: baskets of bread by candlelight, colorful fruit places in full sun.
Speaker 1: Even a dimly lit cobb salad was recently hailed as
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. Come in now and ask how to get
Speaker 1: half off the new Samsung Galaxy S nine from AT
Speaker 1: and T. AT and T weren't for your thing, that's
Speaker 1: our thing, Limited time only. See store for details or
Speaker 1: att dot com slash Samsung fip but du Lapertare supports
Speaker 1: F one five mode and F two four MOODE two
Speaker 1: Lapidur is installed on the beer camera. Oh, I am
Speaker 1: craving a Doctor Pepper. I got some soda. I asked
Speaker 1: not for soda, I asked for ice cold, cravable Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 1: Its flavor is more one of a kid been a
Speaker 1: four told sloth with a thirst for speed. Stop settling
Speaker 1: for soda and start demanding doctor Pepper. I love sloths.
Speaker 1: When you crave a Doctor Pepper, nothing else will do.
Speaker 1: Grab an ice cold twenty ounce of doctor Pepper today,
Speaker 1: Doctor Pepper, the one you crave back to hang in
Speaker 1: with the boys. We're back on hanging with the boys.
Speaker 1: Gonna be harder hard to follow that up. You can
Speaker 1: do it. We know you can't. We can try. We
Speaker 1: kind of glossed over this because we were trying to
Speaker 1: get to Stevens so fast because he only had ten
Speaker 1: minutes to spend with us. I think we actually held
Speaker 1: him longer than that. But uh, Rob Phillips, the great
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, I don't believe if you ever been on
Speaker 1: this show. I used to co host the show and
Speaker 1: it was called something else. Yeah, not hanging with the Balls.
Speaker 1: Well you hadn't been on since we changed the format. Huh,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, But Nate, Nate's got it covered.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, we appreciate you filling him for him. Thanks,
Speaker 1: of course, thanks for coming on. Thanks so good to
Speaker 1: you do. Look, of course, you know we asked him.
Speaker 1: We were asked him last minute. Hey, you know, Steven's
Speaker 1: gonna we are actually gonna cancel the show today because
Speaker 1: Nate was gone. We were like, hey, we all got
Speaker 1: a lot going on, and Kurt, don't you have a
Speaker 1: website to build or something something like that. Yeah, something's
Speaker 1: been working on that a little bit. And uh, Kurt
Speaker 1: was so great of getting Steven on. He was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've we've got Steven. We warned him, like, well, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go. Man, what time let's do it? So ran
Speaker 1: over and asked Rob. I said, hey, we need a
Speaker 1: third We're having the show today. Steven's on. So he
Speaker 1: goes and changes, goes home and drives all the way
Speaker 1: across Dallas change his clothes just for us, just for
Speaker 1: Steven for it, leaves us hanging in. Yeah this these
Speaker 1: get up. Yeah, y'all look terrible. That's that's okay. Problems No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I got I got TV just outside, which I don't
Speaker 1: know why they told me to wear a sport coat.
Speaker 1: I guess I'd look so terrible when you're not you're
Speaker 1: not hot enough out there? Apparently apparently not. Apparently. No,
Speaker 1: we appreciate. We know you're busy, so thank you for
Speaker 1: coming home anytime. What are you working on? What are
Speaker 1: you working on these days? Ah? Well, we're doing some
Speaker 1: Deep Blue documentaries that will come out. Kurt's working on
Speaker 1: some as well. Can we talk about any of those?
Speaker 1: What the subject? I'm actually going to interview Cliff Harris
Speaker 1: today for nice several several documentaries. And you just interviewed
Speaker 1: a couple of people, right. Um. We interviewed Calvin Hill
Speaker 1: yesterday and We've had a few others down the road,
Speaker 1: So yeah, we've got kind of got four or five
Speaker 1: we're kind of in the works here that I'm helping
Speaker 1: out with. What can we talk about what they are? Uh,
Speaker 1: we're working on one about Dwayne Thomas, who was the
Speaker 1: kind of mercurial running back in seventy seventy one, fascinating individual,
Speaker 1: um doing stuffing on Tony Dorset. Obviously everybody knows his
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career. One of my favorites. Growing Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's him in my bedroom many many times, knocking pillows
Speaker 1: down and yeah, crossing the end zone, yeah, the scoreroom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's he's interesting and that's why we're doing the stories
Speaker 1: that in our generation he was the man. You know,
Speaker 1: he was second and rushing i think when retired, but
Speaker 1: today he's sort of an afterthought. He's yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all in it, and so we're helping to kind
Speaker 1: of tell his story. And then um Percy Harward. It's
Speaker 1: one I've talked about before. I've been beating people down
Speaker 1: with for I don't know how many years. We're fighting
Speaker 1: getting that one going, and uh, what else we got
Speaker 1: going on? I think Bob Bliley we're gonna work on
Speaker 1: one on on that so we got several from Crawford.
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford is should be an unbelievable one from what
Speaker 1: I've heard that the interviews that have been conducted. So
Speaker 1: that's also going on. I'm not involved with that one.
Speaker 1: So it's fun though. It's I think Rob can say
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's fun talking to these guys and
Speaker 1: putting these stories together. Yeah, we're working on Bill Parcels
Speaker 1: and the oh three season, his first season in Dallas,
Speaker 1: shaking things up, bringing some Jersey down to Texas and
Speaker 1: changing the whole culture around here. Was that the Quincy year?
Speaker 1: It was Quincy the next year? Quincy was a third
Speaker 1: year guy at that point. But when did they cut
Speaker 1: him at camp with the next summer four? Yeah? Oh
Speaker 1: three was his best season. You know, Bill kind of
Speaker 1: molded him and he was pretty efficient that year, and
Speaker 1: you know that was That's part of the story, is
Speaker 1: the talent level that they had was not very good.
Speaker 1: It was it was bad actually overall on paper, they
Speaker 1: didn't do Campo any favors. No, No, the cupboard was
Speaker 1: pretty bare and uh yeah, just the culture change and
Speaker 1: obviously he was gold when he was here. Those thirty
Speaker 1: minute press conferences were musty television, the opposite of what
Speaker 1: we have now. I like Jason Garretts press conference, I
Speaker 1: really do. But I mean there's a real those are
Speaker 1: carried live because of Bill Parcels. Really he started people
Speaker 1: don't realize and are y'all tell him that you may
Speaker 1: be outlining this in the documentary, but he changed a
Speaker 1: lot of things that carried over through this, like shutting
Speaker 1: down practice except for certain times and things like that.
Speaker 1: That is that a lot of that going into this documentary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's still things that still. I mean, Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones was just here and every now and then I'll
Speaker 1: hear him give a Parcels is m you know in
Speaker 1: an interview two sides of that pancake or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, his impact is still here and he really
Speaker 1: he set up the Cowboys forced success with some of
Speaker 1: the guys he found. Obviously went in Romo, but you
Speaker 1: know they didn't get to the super Bowl. But but
Speaker 1: the culture change and the path they got on the
Speaker 1: right path when he was here, I've always wondered my
Speaker 1: favorite part of the Garrett press conference is actually the
Speaker 1: walk off after where it's off came. He kind of
Speaker 1: talks to the reporters and it's a little a little
Speaker 1: more relaxed and um, you know you can learn some
Speaker 1: kind of background stuff. But what was Purcell's But did
Speaker 1: he do that same type of thing? And what were
Speaker 1: they like? I can't remember if he had walk offs
Speaker 1: or not. I don't I don't think he did very
Speaker 1: all the time. Yea. The best thing about Bill was
Speaker 1: he would go he would go on a topic. It
Speaker 1: could be horse racing, it could be anything, and you
Speaker 1: could find some kind of tie in either to your
Speaker 1: life or to football. But there was also some genius
Speaker 1: behind that because maybe, as Jock Taylor told me, maybe
Speaker 1: the locker room opens fifteen minutes late and you got
Speaker 1: less time to bother his players. You know, he kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to be he wanted to be the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a genius at a kind of you know,
Speaker 1: playing the media at times, selling a story he wanted
Speaker 1: to sell and uh and really being the only disseminator
Speaker 1: of information. Don't talk to my assistants, don't talk to
Speaker 1: the trainers. You come to me and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: if I feel like it, I'll tell you what's up
Speaker 1: with injuries? Or whatever. So have you interviewed him yet
Speaker 1: for that? Yeah? Yeah, Kent and uh and Scott Purcell
Speaker 1: and I down there last month doing well. He's seventy five.
Speaker 1: He raises horses, now, that's what race horses are raising him,
Speaker 1: I know. But he the race horses or you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think so. I think so he's big
Speaker 1: into horse racing, right, Oh, he loves it. He loves it. Um. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing he's doing well. He's tan, he's looking good golf.
Speaker 1: I think he was on his way to play some
Speaker 1: golf after has he has he mellowed and chilled out
Speaker 1: and he's or the same life. He was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was great. Now he he might have scared me
Speaker 1: a couple of times when I was twenty two, just
Speaker 1: you know, right out of college coming here trying to
Speaker 1: cover the great pill barcelves. But yeah, he's it was
Speaker 1: it was. We really enjoyed. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. But it's like our interview with
Speaker 1: Mike Ditko. We went down to Florida inter the same thing.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of intimidating, scary presence, but he
Speaker 1: was a great guy. He's got interview you got a
Speaker 1: couple of fun stories. Yeah, fun story. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we should share here. Just the process of yeah,
Speaker 1: getting there was interesting for sure. O So Rob, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: Since we're not really familiar with you, it could be
Speaker 1: taken several different ways. I thought we were no, we are,
Speaker 1: but on the show we're not. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 1: what do you? We talk about it all the time,
Speaker 1: what we're most excited to see going into camp, and
Speaker 1: we talked about on this show a lot how this
Speaker 1: might be the most exciting camp we've had in a
Speaker 1: long time, maybe ever. With all the coaching changes, the
Speaker 1: whole secondary pretty much is new, with the you know
Speaker 1: exception of probably Jeff Heath and Byron, and Byron's only
Speaker 1: been here what four years, switching positions. You've got you know,
Speaker 1: the offensive line had some hiccups last year with injuries
Speaker 1: and stuff. They tried to shore that up. You got
Speaker 1: Dak that came off of a crazy successful, you know,
Speaker 1: rookie year, a great kind of undercover sophomore year where
Speaker 1: some people think he didn't have a great year, but
Speaker 1: on paper he did. You got Zeke back hopefully for
Speaker 1: a full year. All this, all these backstories and crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: What are you what's the one thing going into camp
Speaker 1: that one or two things that you're like, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm going to camp, and I would want to
Speaker 1: see every single day. I think I asked Stephen about it.
Speaker 1: To me, the wide receiver position is fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: and it's I liken it a little bit to two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine when I was here covering. That was
Speaker 1: Wade's team and they had cut t O a couple
Speaker 1: months prior to camp, and they really didn't have a
Speaker 1: number one receiver. That's the last time I can think
Speaker 1: of a Cowboys offense that didn't have like a go
Speaker 1: to guy. You know, you didn't have t O, but
Speaker 1: you at least, I guess then you at least had
Speaker 1: Jason Witten in his prime and somebody stepped up. Miles
Speaker 1: Austin stepped up that year and became a Pro Bowl guy,
Speaker 1: kind of out of nowhere. That's him, Thanks Doun, classic
Speaker 1: Miles SoundBite. He's a great guy. So there's there's the
Speaker 1: expectations around this team are are really interesting because I
Speaker 1: think maybe some of the media don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be a playoff team, may not be close to the
Speaker 1: playoff team because of all the youth and because of
Speaker 1: some questions they have, particularly on offense putting guys around Dak.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got nine total catches at the tight
Speaker 1: end position career and it's all Jeff Swain and so
Speaker 1: who's gonna step up? You know? But there's there is
Speaker 1: talent at wide receiver and I throw table on Austin
Speaker 1: and that mix two even though you might call him
Speaker 1: a running back. The question though, is do they need
Speaker 1: a number one guy? And you do have to have
Speaker 1: somebody I think step up and at least draw attention,
Speaker 1: draw double teams, something to get Cole Beasley a break
Speaker 1: that might have scared you a little bit. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: mighty scare you a little bit on the other side,
Speaker 1: I think. So, I think that's his It's a great
Speaker 1: opportunity for him to step in and say, hey, you can,
Speaker 1: you can be the guy on this offense. And the
Speaker 1: only thing really holding him back is ben injuries in Jackson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that's the hope. I think Michael Gallops
Speaker 1: the guy to watch, you know, Terrence Williams and Cole like,
Speaker 1: we know who they are, who they can be for
Speaker 1: this offense. Um, but Gallup's interesting to me. You watch
Speaker 1: him out at practice and he's an explosive young guy,
Speaker 1: So so he might be a guy that competes for time.
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, we said this last week
Speaker 1: that there's like eleven wide receivers on the roster, and
Speaker 1: Beasley and Williams are the only ones that have any
Speaker 1: kind of service time with the team. Everybody else, I
Speaker 1: think Noah Brown and Lenore have been here one year.
Speaker 1: Everybody else's brand new. It's weird, isn't it crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so like for continuity for Dak, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not ideal, I guess, but you know, they decided to
Speaker 1: move on without Dez. I think that they made that
Speaker 1: clear and they think they can do this by committee.
Speaker 1: And the thing to remember is you got you got
Speaker 1: twenty one on the field, and if you got him
Speaker 1: for sixteen games, that's a nice guy to lean on
Speaker 1: in your running game. And you just have to have
Speaker 1: some reliable receivers. The thing that it cites me the
Speaker 1: most about this offense is the offensive line. Connor Williams
Speaker 1: pick I loved it. I think, hands down, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1: He's looking good out there. I think from a he's athletic,
Speaker 1: he's physical. If he can stabilize this line, I think
Speaker 1: they can get back to being what they were. You know,
Speaker 1: people talk about twenty sixteen, but you know the first
Speaker 1: half of last year they were really good, putting a
Speaker 1: close to thirty points. Where are they going to put him?
Speaker 1: Where's he playing? He's probably your left guard? Now? Is
Speaker 1: there any concern with the whole Martin situation? And I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I guess we didn't get to that
Speaker 1: with Stephen, but he talked about a couple of days ago, like, No,
Speaker 1: that's just part of the process, part of the deal.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that he's been here working out,
Speaker 1: just not practicing. Obviously he's still been around a little bit.
Speaker 1: I just and I wanted to ask Steven. I just
Speaker 1: questioned spending that much money on another guard. I mean
Speaker 1: the salary's the top guards are getting now is I'm
Speaker 1: not sure anybody ever saw that coming. Yeah, and now,
Speaker 1: if you already got a pretty high priced offensive line,
Speaker 1: you've got a quarterback you got to sign soon, you
Speaker 1: got potential defensive and you got to sign soon. Man,
Speaker 1: do you want to throw more money at the offensive line,
Speaker 1: especially when you just drafted a guy that looks like
Speaker 1: he could be, yeah, pretty solid guard. I would throw
Speaker 1: more money at Zach because I think he might. He's
Speaker 1: to me, he's he's your best player pound for pound,
Speaker 1: and I might put Zeke right up there. But on
Speaker 1: the whole team. Yeah, I mean he's. I mean he's
Speaker 1: you could argue he's the best offensive lineman in football
Speaker 1: just pound for pound what he does, maybe at least
Speaker 1: the interior lineman. Um. He just doesn't make mistakes out there,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of he's a leader in his own way,
Speaker 1: the way he goes about things. Really, all those guys are,
Speaker 1: so I would pay him, But Kurt, I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask Steven that same thing, like you've you've got a
Speaker 1: budget for some things coming up. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 1: you said potentially to Marcus Lawrence, dak is eligible for
Speaker 1: a deal after next year. What's he going to command?
Speaker 1: I mean, those are questions, But damn if I would
Speaker 1: have known you were going to ask that, I would
Speaker 1: have not asked my Father's day question. I am not
Speaker 1: a positive. You know that's good. So who's your topical
Speaker 1: it's two weeks away. Who's your who's your who's your
Speaker 1: starting five coming out of training camp on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Offensive line, I mean, I think you've got the three
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl guys tying Travis Zach. I think having Connor
Speaker 1: Williams drafted as your left guard, Kurt, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that that makes it easy to keep Lyel where
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, Nate was talking about this last week.
Speaker 1: You got to put him in there and just let
Speaker 1: him go. There's no let's try this guy here, let's
Speaker 1: do this, let's move it. Put Connor Williams in there
Speaker 1: and go. And I didn't. I didn't get out to
Speaker 1: practice yesterday. Did they have him working with the first
Speaker 1: team munity? He's been at well, did I know he
Speaker 1: was the first first ota. Yeah, he's been at left guard,
Speaker 1: and they've got, you know, just the flexibility they have
Speaker 1: now with Cameron Fleming, who's played in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: by the way, to be a swing tackle for you.
Speaker 1: Chaz Green has been working at guard, at right guard,
Speaker 1: that's what it is, right guard. With Zach being out,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you play him, but they've added
Speaker 1: some depth there and because look, that was arguably the
Speaker 1: biggest issue they had last year. What happens if something
Speaker 1: happens to Tyrn Smith, DAC needs to be protected a
Speaker 1: little bit more, a little bit What made you think
Speaker 1: that that Atlantic game? Atlantic game? The rest of the
Speaker 1: season all or nothing kind of reconfirmed that Nat Snate
Speaker 1: is convinced that that Atlanta game, Dak changed like he
Speaker 1: he changed. He I believe that. Look at the first
Speaker 1: eight games the last eighty, well his production changed. What
Speaker 1: does he mean, like like PTSD type number of sacks,
Speaker 1: and I mean it was yeah, just mentally mentally it
Speaker 1: affected him somehow in his game where you know, you
Speaker 1: take a beating like that and he just thinks that
Speaker 1: that that that kind of changes the dynamic at the
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Maybe the ball comes out a little quicker. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've I haven't seen something like that in
Speaker 1: years from the press box, I mean literally every time
Speaker 1: in college. God, he was running, Yeah, he was running
Speaker 1: for his life for sure. I think they found a
Speaker 1: way some contingencies to fix that. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: it also didn't help having Zeke out as well. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's true. But so back to the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: Since they have so much depth now and they've gone
Speaker 1: out and gotten they continue to add guys to get
Speaker 1: in the mix for for you know, whether it's camp bodies,
Speaker 1: whether it's really to compete, whatever. I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: some you know. I don't think there's a clear cut
Speaker 1: number one. I think they hope Hearns is that guy.
Speaker 1: But everybody else is in the conversation. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's safe on this roster. I could see any six
Speaker 1: or seven guys making this team and not be surprised
Speaker 1: if any of them don't. What are your opinions on,
Speaker 1: you know, the bad decision Terrence Williams obviously made. Can't
Speaker 1: ride a scooter? For I can't believe he can't ride
Speaker 1: a scooter. Just put that in the garage. He rides
Speaker 1: a scooter about the advising him on his pr didn't
Speaker 1: do that. That had to that that scooters broken, Just
Speaker 1: get rid of it, get you a new one. But
Speaker 1: maybe it's operating error since we've seen him. Man, No, no,
Speaker 1: something was wrong seconds down all with that scooter. Man,
Speaker 1: something's wrong with that scooter. Is there any do you
Speaker 1: guys think that there's any You know, we probably could
Speaker 1: ask Stephen this as well. Is he in danger of
Speaker 1: not making this team? Were you listening? I kind of
Speaker 1: asked that, didn't I kind of you did actually listening. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what do you guys think? We one, he's coming
Speaker 1: off kind of a down year, didn't score a touchdown,
Speaker 1: his yardage was I think the lowis has ever been.
Speaker 1: He's hurt. He's gonna miss the higher ots, mini camp.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when he's suspected back for a training
Speaker 1: camp and then I don't think, yeah, I would think
Speaker 1: camp is probably Now he's got this, which you know
Speaker 1: on a one off isn't really maybe that big a deal.
Speaker 1: But I mean, there's he's had a couple other little
Speaker 1: stupid incidents, nothing where he faced legal trouble, but it
Speaker 1: was just kind of silly stuff. You have to kind
Speaker 1: of wonder, I mean, is this a guy you kind
Speaker 1: of know what you've gott in him already? Is he
Speaker 1: worth whatever other troubles that may come up or whatever
Speaker 1: other injury difficulties he's facing. I don't, like you said,
Speaker 1: there's so many other guys on the roster, and like
Speaker 1: Stephen said, there's gonna be competition, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say he's guaranteed at all. I think his experience is
Speaker 1: important because if you take him away from this roster
Speaker 1: it's Cole Beasley and that's it. Like from last year,
Speaker 1: It's incredible, that's unreal. How much it would you can
Speaker 1: you kind of guy like I mean, Hearns obviously doesn't
Speaker 1: have experience here, but he has into the NFL. Does
Speaker 1: that count for anything? Absolutely right now? And you know,
Speaker 1: picturing Terrence healthy for training camp, I would put him
Speaker 1: in Alan Herns right now as your starters to start out,
Speaker 1: with Cole being kind of that another starter in the slot.
Speaker 1: But Michael Gallup is gonna you mentioned competition. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna push for playing time right off the bat,
Speaker 1: and I just I wouldn't think something like this though,
Speaker 1: is going to threaten his his spot. I know people
Speaker 1: have talked about, well, the NFL could come in and
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they issue some type of punishment because
Speaker 1: we've seen that happen outside of whatever happens legally, and
Speaker 1: then you know, guaranteed money not necessarily being you could
Speaker 1: avoid that if he's suspending all that. I think his
Speaker 1: experience is important and I would keep him on this
Speaker 1: roster certainly entering training camp and then see how the
Speaker 1: competition shakes out. But to me, letting him go, the
Speaker 1: idea of that, like man turning over your entire receiving corps.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think he'd have to fall
Speaker 1: on his face to let in training camp and then
Speaker 1: thank you kind of together. Whoa who did you see
Speaker 1: on the air live? Oh yeah, oh my goodness, that
Speaker 1: was one of many I thinks. But now it's the
Speaker 1: internet us here in this room. Hopefully he comes back
Speaker 1: more motivated and has something to prove and yeah, recognizes
Speaker 1: where he's what he's gonna do. But it's amazing even
Speaker 1: without Dez here, It's like, how many receivers can you have?
Speaker 1: Like how how much can the ball get spread around?
Speaker 1: Especially with Tavon Austin, Like it sounds like they've got
Speaker 1: a a role defined in mind for him, maybe as
Speaker 1: a running back, maybe as a wide receiver, probably both.
Speaker 1: Do you see him as kind of a Lance Dunbar
Speaker 1: type guy in this in this on this team, totally
Speaker 1: mismatch guy, move him around all over the formation? I
Speaker 1: asked Scott Lanahan a couple of weeks ago. He said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we look at him as a receiver first, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't use him in the backfield. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they list him as a running back. Yeah, Cross, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he had sixty carries last year for the Rams.
Speaker 1: So find a way to stretch the defense vertically horizontally
Speaker 1: and maybe that opens up some things for other guys.
Speaker 1: Have they been using cole um and OTAs that whenever
Speaker 1: you guys have been able to watch practice, have they
Speaker 1: been using him any different? Or they moving him outside
Speaker 1: or is he still strictly inside? Like what are they
Speaker 1: doing with him? Yeah, Brian wrote about there yesterday outside
Speaker 1: a little bit. D try to try to free him
Speaker 1: from that bracket coverage, you know, where they just clogs
Speaker 1: the middle of the field and takes him out. It's
Speaker 1: so important that get him going, I think because two
Speaker 1: years ago he was he was Dak's safety. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh god. What'd you think of the album? You know,
Speaker 1: the autobiography? Not terrible? Yeah, I agree, not bad. I
Speaker 1: mean I don't think it was great. But for his first,
Speaker 1: you know, his first project, and and for it to
Speaker 1: be kind of you know, produced here locally and all that,
Speaker 1: I thought it was. I thought it was pretty good, man,
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I think it was pretty solid. What
Speaker 1: do you think I like? I mean, I'm not proficient
Speaker 1: in the rap game. I'm more nineties rap, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm getting old, but I enjoyed it. Kurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of along with you. What I've heard I liked. Again,
Speaker 1: I all Kurt has heard is I've heard. I've heard
Speaker 1: one other. Uh yeah, my eighty stings. My rap rap
Speaker 1: games not up to rap games. Pretty thin, you'd say,
Speaker 1: my level of knowledge. What's your opinion on that, man,
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about it, but just having a
Speaker 1: side gig outside of football, that's you know, fans think
Speaker 1: football players you shouldn't be doing that, you should be playing. Well,
Speaker 1: they do have months off at a time. They do
Speaker 1: have free time. It's not like they go they wake up,
Speaker 1: they come straight to the facility, they work out, they
Speaker 1: watch tape till ten o'clock or eleven o'clock and then
Speaker 1: they go straight. They have downtime. They have families, they
Speaker 1: have hobbies, they they're they're normal people. Just because they're
Speaker 1: on lockdown about seven or eight months out of the
Speaker 1: year with football doesn't mean they can't do other things.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with it. What do you think
Speaker 1: does that distract him? Is that? What do you what
Speaker 1: are your opinion? It drives me crazy that people feel
Speaker 1: that way, like absolutely drives me crazy, Like and it
Speaker 1: goes back to the best example I could think of
Speaker 1: as Tony Romo playing golf, Like, yeah, people got so
Speaker 1: mad about that because he would go off and play
Speaker 1: around in February, Like, what the hell's he supposed to do?
Speaker 1: He was a single guy. You know, I guess you're
Speaker 1: supposed to watch film and slip like a pizza box
Speaker 1: underneath the door or something. You know, not everybody is
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Not everybody might be that literally, you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what I read and I don't I think
Speaker 1: it was on our website. It might have been one
Speaker 1: of your articles of Dave's. They were talking to Sean
Speaker 1: Lee about the young guys and vander ash and what
Speaker 1: he thought, and Sean Lee, He's like, watch, I watched
Speaker 1: film on him to know what kind of player he
Speaker 1: was and read a little bit about who does that.
Speaker 1: This guy's a rookie come in. Sean Lees in the
Speaker 1: league for what eight nine years and he's watching film
Speaker 1: on the rookies that are coming in to know who
Speaker 1: he's playing with. I mean, that's unreal. And that's how
Speaker 1: you intimidate a rookie right there. Yeah, I've watched film,
Speaker 1: you know, in that uh, that game against you know Marshall,
Speaker 1: you really blew it on that third and one, Like
Speaker 1: what you screwed up your keys there? Dude, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I he's a genius. He's a Machine's amazing, He's a machine.
Speaker 1: He'll be a coach as soon as he steps off
Speaker 1: the field or whatever. Hell, he already is a coach.
Speaker 1: He's a coach on the field for sure. So well,
Speaker 1: let's take one more break before we uh, before we
Speaker 1: end the show, and I want to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1: We're talking about linebacker Jalen Smiths had some some not
Speaker 1: surprising some some comments, you know, the last few days,
Speaker 1: the last couple of OTAs. Get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about tight end situation. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't want to get youall thoughts on you know, what
Speaker 1: do you think going into camp? That seems to be
Speaker 1: like a kind of a coin toss all the way
Speaker 1: around there. And then we'll talk about other stuff when
Speaker 1: we come back on Hanglo Boy Cowboys fans know that
Speaker 1: the second best of anything simply won't cut it, and
Speaker 1: your skincare should be no different. A long time locker
Speaker 1: room favorite of the players and the official men's skincare
Speaker 1: brand of the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas based Jack Black is
Speaker 1: the number one best selling men's skincare brand in the
Speaker 1: country because we make products that help guys look, smell,
Speaker 1: and feel better. Visit get Jack Black dot com slash
Speaker 1: Cowboys to get ten dollars off your first order of
Speaker 1: fifty dollars or more. Jack Black Look Good, Smell good,
Speaker 1: Feel good. Official men skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Star Sports Tours is the only official fan travel partner
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys, offering exclusive game weekend travel packages
Speaker 1: with sideline access and photo ops with current players, alumni
Speaker 1: and cheerleaders. That's not all, though, You'll get to talk
Speaker 1: xs and os with Senior Director of Player Personnel Will
Speaker 1: McClay and of course with yours truly me, Brian broad Us.
Speaker 1: You can trust the official fan travel partner of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and with us you'll travel like a pro.
Speaker 1: Visit Cowboys Travel dot com to book your travel package today.
Speaker 1: Before there was a draft. You get sized up a
Speaker 1: cowboy by three simple factors. The crease in his hat,
Speaker 1: the bend of his brim, and his unbending attitude a man,
Speaker 1: Stetson didn't just protect him from what life throw at him,
Speaker 1: It projected a rugged, unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still
Speaker 1: American made with pride. Right here in Texas. There's still
Speaker 1: the unofficial crown of all self respecting cowboys, and Stetson
Speaker 1: is proud to be on the field with America's team.
Speaker 1: Find a retailer nearest Hwitt Stetson dot com slash Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I definitely have an Instagram foody thing, but the low
Speaker 1: light camera on my new Samsung Galaxy S nine from
Speaker 1: AT and T is getting me a whole new world
Speaker 1: of likes and chairs, baskets of bread by candlelight, colorful
Speaker 1: fruit plates in full sun. Even a dimly lit cobb
Speaker 1: salad was recently hailed as a masterpiece. Come in now
Speaker 1: and ask how to get half off the new Samsung
Speaker 1: Galaxy S nine from AT, AT and T. Won't for
Speaker 1: your thing, that's our thing many time. Only see store
Speaker 1: for details or att dot com. Sleft Samsung fifty du
Speaker 1: laperature supports have one five mode and have two four
Speaker 1: mode U laperatures installed on the your camera. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not simp messed up. I gotta call the show
Speaker 1: back to hanging with the bulls. We are back in
Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, As Rob said, what was that
Speaker 1: that again? Doucho sell you are you there, Dougie? So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not simp messed up. I gotta
Speaker 1: call the show. That was after a trip to the dentist.
Speaker 1: Was there photo evidence of that? I think I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Just oh, I have a video down up there. I
Speaker 1: have a video on my Instagram account that I don't
Speaker 1: even remember posting you. I was just like smiling and
Speaker 1: looking at taking a video selfie, just like, hey, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a tooth. Lucky you didn't, Zani the or
Speaker 1: anything speaking of pulland but you got over there, Kurt Holland. Holland,
Speaker 1: I said, I had a tooth pulled. Speaking of pulling,
Speaker 1: Weggie's pulling. I don't know what he's talking about. Don't no,
Speaker 1: just read the damn thing. Adjust your cleats, adjust your pads,
Speaker 1: even just your helmet. But seriously, don't adjust your underwear
Speaker 1: because once it's been seen, it cannot be unseen. Tommy
Speaker 1: John has contour pouch that nestles the boys and moisture
Speaker 1: wicking fabric to keep you cooling dry on the field
Speaker 1: or in the stands. I've got mine on today. I
Speaker 1: bet Rob does. Rob looks so good always always two
Speaker 1: of my favorite words, nestles and moisture. I love so
Speaker 1: strong at the balls And you went, you just change
Speaker 1: your whole wardrobe too, I did. I changed out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I changed. Yeah, I swapped all my drawers. Nice swapping drawers.
Speaker 1: All right, get yours swapping drawers at Cowboys Underwear at
Speaker 1: Tommy john dot com Forward Slash Cowboys for twenty percent
Speaker 1: off your first order Tommy john dot com Forward Slash Cowboys. WHOA,
Speaker 1: there you go. Paul's coming back this year. Yes, she
Speaker 1: said he's bringing friends too, rights Paul. Yeah, Scottish Paul.
Speaker 1: He's coming to Uh, He's going to the Texans game
Speaker 1: and then he's coming to I think the Titans game
Speaker 1: is the week after. He's staying for a week, so
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to catch two games, one one in
Speaker 1: Houston and one here. So probably have him back on
Speaker 1: the show when Yes prepared. So let's talk about a
Speaker 1: few things. First off, what's going on at tight end?
Speaker 1: Who is there a front runner going into training camp
Speaker 1: or whoa, and what's up with that guy? Zeus? What
Speaker 1: are you thinking? I want to see more out of
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain, not only because he's a friend of the
Speaker 1: show and he'll come on any time we ask him.
Speaker 1: But he's a good dude and we met his folks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really nice people. Yep. But he's a good player too.
Speaker 1: He's a good player, and I think they underutilize him.
Speaker 1: He's you know when they when they called his number,
Speaker 1: he's been there. He's a good I think he's a
Speaker 1: good blocker. I think he's a better pass catcher and
Speaker 1: route runner than than people think. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: this team's kind of or at least the fans have
Speaker 1: been in love with Rico the last year year and
Speaker 1: a half after unknown he showed albat But he's kind
Speaker 1: of one dimensional right now, and he does he need
Speaker 1: to step up his blocking game to get more playing time.
Speaker 1: What's going on at tight end? He he almost I
Speaker 1: think he said yesterday, it's almost like step eight going
Speaker 1: back to step one at step eight from step eight,
Speaker 1: you know, because of all the time he missed. I mean,
Speaker 1: just think about a guy that was playing in middle
Speaker 1: school playing football and then he makes the transition and
Speaker 1: it's going kind of well, and then he sits out
Speaker 1: a whole another year. So I don't know what the
Speaker 1: expectations are for him. I know pass catching, he can
Speaker 1: be effective. We saw him with a couple of touchdowns
Speaker 1: in preseason. Blocking is probably the biggest thing and the
Speaker 1: thing about it is in this offense and Jason Wentnen
Speaker 1: you talk about it. They asked their tight ends to
Speaker 1: do so much, to handle so much responsibility in line,
Speaker 1: all backfield, all those things. Can he pick that up?
Speaker 1: And to me you mentioned Swam, I think Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: the rookie a real opportunity to step in and be
Speaker 1: effective right off the bat because he played at Stanford
Speaker 1: and they're like a factory for tight ends. So think
Speaker 1: part of that the blocking aspect, especially as mindset. And
Speaker 1: does Rico have that. I mean, you gotta get in
Speaker 1: there due the dirty work any maybe he does. I'm
Speaker 1: not hit people exactly. What about Jarwin, He's still in
Speaker 1: the mix. A touchdown yesterday, look good. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that can, like you mentioned Swam kind of underrated, can
Speaker 1: separate down the field and get open and make some plays.
Speaker 1: You know, So there's some athleticism there I just the
Speaker 1: Rico thing is just and dynamite drop Doug. But that like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me because I just I want to
Speaker 1: see more of him and see if he can get
Speaker 1: back to where he was last summer, because it was
Speaker 1: just a shame that he missed all that time. Can
Speaker 1: you see like Jarwin because they put him on the
Speaker 1: active roster and towards the end of the last year,
Speaker 1: so exciting to see what he can do. Think Philly
Speaker 1: tried to put him on their practice squad and Cowboys
Speaker 1: made the move. They didn't really have a role for
Speaker 1: him back then. They just want to keep him. Can
Speaker 1: you see them keeping all four tight ends and running
Speaker 1: more two tight end sets and change or here here's
Speaker 1: a bigger picture question and it kind of fits into that.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that everybody could agree on
Speaker 1: last year that I talked to casual fans hardcore fans
Speaker 1: is this team didn't do a very good job of
Speaker 1: mixing things up. Like when you saw certain formations, you
Speaker 1: knew what play they were going to run. When you
Speaker 1: saw this, you knew this was coming, and they ran
Speaker 1: it looked like just a basic offense pretty much all
Speaker 1: year and even people that don't really know football that
Speaker 1: much that would talk to me. They'd be like, put
Speaker 1: somebody in motion, Like move one guy from one side
Speaker 1: to the other. Run you know, some different sets. Can
Speaker 1: you see? Do you think they go into this season
Speaker 1: not learning anything from last year and just go ahead,
Speaker 1: here we are again, this is what we're doing. Or
Speaker 1: do you think they'll try to mix it up. I
Speaker 1: think a little bit that's overrated because I think they
Speaker 1: tried putting Dez in motion. They moved him around, trying
Speaker 1: to get him, you know, better opportunities. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think you can. I mentioned Cole. You gotta
Speaker 1: find ways to get him freed up a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's one example. I think Tavon Austin being here, he's
Speaker 1: kind of a chess piece. You move him around, find
Speaker 1: some different opportunities for him. But that's why I asked
Speaker 1: Steven about the coaches, because Jerry has spoken of that,
Speaker 1: like we may need to do some things a little
Speaker 1: bit different tactically and bring in some guys Paul Exander
Speaker 1: on the offensive line, new receivers, coach guys that can
Speaker 1: come up with some new ideas and add to what
Speaker 1: Jason and Scott are doing Yeah, Kurt, Yeah you got anything?
Speaker 1: Or do you may move the next up sitting there
Speaker 1: looking at I mean, I know Rob looks good in
Speaker 1: that jacket and talk too much. No, I'm interested in
Speaker 1: what he was saying. Don't be coming at me. Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: This is like me and Mickey going at it and talking.
Speaker 1: I love it. Sit world the same side of the
Speaker 1: table for each other. Jerk Kurt up. I agree with him, Okay,
Speaker 1: goods confrontation like I wouldn't expect that from Kurt Cood
Speaker 1: such a nice guy, good answer feeling. Kurt's like a
Speaker 1: black belt in Mma. Kurt. He's just calm and just
Speaker 1: waiting for an excuse to do something. You ought to
Speaker 1: see our controlled rage. You ought to see our director meetings.
Speaker 1: When we're in the room, I'll say hell, come at
Speaker 1: Kurt and he'll boy, he'll snap at me, and I
Speaker 1: love it pretty awesome. But we have a hate hate relationship,
Speaker 1: so a lot of you. I love you too, Man
Speaker 1: livebacker position uh Jalen Smith came out and said that
Speaker 1: he's like three points something percent body fat, He's gained
Speaker 1: like ten ten fifteen pounds and muscle. He's running a
Speaker 1: shuttle time that if he was if it was at
Speaker 1: the Combine this year, I think he would be third
Speaker 1: overall out of all players, not just at his position.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like physically he's getting to or where
Speaker 1: he needs to be. How do you think that's gonna translate?
Speaker 1: From what you know? Everybody looks good without pads one,
Speaker 1: How do you do you think he's gonna make it
Speaker 1: a bigger step this year and be the player they
Speaker 1: thought they drafted when they took a chance on him.
Speaker 1: They are very confident of that. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: to see it right and and some of what you know,
Speaker 1: he had some struggles last year, but some of it
Speaker 1: was just asking him to play that many snaps. I
Speaker 1: think he played almost seventy snaps one game or something
Speaker 1: like that used him or whatever. Yeah, some of it
Speaker 1: is just being comfortable in the scheme in addition to
Speaker 1: trying to move better. And we asked him yesterday where's
Speaker 1: your brace that he's been wearing because he had the
Speaker 1: drop foot last year, and said, I don't know where
Speaker 1: it is. So that's good, right to not know where
Speaker 1: that thing is because he doesn't need it, he says,
Speaker 1: right now, as long as he didn't walk off limping. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think there's signs out there that he's moving around.
Speaker 1: But where does he fit in in this because obviously
Speaker 1: he seems like the pass rusher on the move, almost
Speaker 1: like a Sean Lee position, But you're not gonna move
Speaker 1: Sean right and can't he handle the strong side? I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: he fit in well. They've had him at middle right
Speaker 1: now with vander Esh, I think working second team, And
Speaker 1: you said it, I mean he can be a guy
Speaker 1: moving forward for you as a nickel rusher. The Sam
Speaker 1: spot just gets less overall snaps. It just depends on
Speaker 1: what they do in the nickel. With two linebackers, who's
Speaker 1: it gonna be. He's gonna be Vanderesh and Sean. Could
Speaker 1: Jalen work in? I think you can find snaps for
Speaker 1: all three guys. And obviously you need depth because guys
Speaker 1: get hurt. Sean has gotten hurt in the pass and
Speaker 1: so you need depth. But I think Vanderesh also fits
Speaker 1: that middle linebacker spot because he's a big linebacker who
Speaker 1: can move. What about Damien Wilson, He's still in the
Speaker 1: mix there. Sure that's another guy. Brian mentioned him on
Speaker 1: our show the other day. Just don't forget about him.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that's handled the sam spot athletic, physical linebacker.
Speaker 1: So I think it hurts losing Hitchins for sure, but
Speaker 1: I think they feel a little bit better about it.
Speaker 1: But Jalen's the wildcard because you know, he was at
Speaker 1: his best last year when he was playing twenty thirty snaps.
Speaker 1: Maybe that jumps up to thirty forty fifty, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe continue that way. Man, something that should be
Speaker 1: scary for other teams. If you keep Shawn Lee healthy,
Speaker 1: which if you have other options at the linebacker spot,
Speaker 1: you keep him off the field a little bit more.
Speaker 1: That gives him a better shot of being healthy. Vander
Speaker 1: esh if he's the guy they fell in love with
Speaker 1: and turns into what they hope he does. Jalen plays
Speaker 1: it eighty five percent of what he was at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: You got a solid, solid linebacker. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a top five linebacking crew in the NFL. If
Speaker 1: those guys paying out like they're they're going to, I mean,
Speaker 1: like like you hope they do. So what uh what
Speaker 1: about defensive line? What are you see out there on
Speaker 1: the b lines? Our guy Charles Tappers, Yeah, Malik's outlist,
Speaker 1: Taper Tappers out, David Irving not practicing. I don't under
Speaker 1: explain David Irving to me, explain it? Why, how does
Speaker 1: this happen? Well, that's what the offseason programs for. I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know when you show up apparently, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so he needs to get his conditioning up. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: don't know he's he's working out on the side. He's
Speaker 1: not practicing with the team because the staff is determined
Speaker 1: he's not even good enough shape, right, which is mind boggling.
Speaker 1: And he's been a guy where his weight is fluctuated
Speaker 1: where he can play tackle for you, he can play
Speaker 1: in for you, but if you yeah, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to lose some if he's gonna play defensive end for
Speaker 1: them in this spot. I'll tell you what. All he's got.
Speaker 1: All he has to do is stand out there for
Speaker 1: about two hours a day. He doesn't he have to move.
Speaker 1: For those of you that don't know, he may need
Speaker 1: to lose it. Yeah, you're gonna play tackle for you too,
Speaker 1: which probably that's where he played primary last year. Right,
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be one hundred and two degrees here
Speaker 1: this weekend, so just to let start. Let's go here.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked about days. Can we push that
Speaker 1: up by like a month, Let's just get Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: get there in June. Yeah, next week, let's go. Let's
Speaker 1: do that. No, as long as you don't have to
Speaker 1: stay though in August. Yeah, yeah, start paying taxes. Do
Speaker 1: I know anything else about Tapper's concussion? Like I heard
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett say that that's what happened in his press conference,
Speaker 1: But Rob, did you guys find out anything further about
Speaker 1: how it happened? I don't. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: it happened. Obviously it was an accident, Um, I don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like he's anything too serious. Fortunately, no
Speaker 1: foul play involved. No, they're in short some T shirts
Speaker 1: they do, especially on the line they're they're banking, banging
Speaker 1: each other around. Things can happen. Yeah, you can end
Speaker 1: up banging heads. It happens. Yeah, but it's it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: for him because it's like, now you draft Doran's Armstrong,
Speaker 1: who they like. That's Nate's pet cat. He likes him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: said he hadn't even really seen him practice. He's like
Speaker 1: when I just looked at him and like he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm watching him all a camp. That's my guy. Who's
Speaker 1: your guy? Who's your camp guy? So Nate, I mean,
Speaker 1: Nick is kind of enamored right now. You can probably
Speaker 1: figure out why. With with Katie Cannon. He thinks he's
Speaker 1: got a solid shot of making his team Baylor Homer,
Speaker 1: Baylor Arkansas. You know Nick's gonna be like he's making
Speaker 1: the team. Nick's I mean, Nate's pet cat is uh,
Speaker 1: Doran's armstrong? Who's your who's your pet cat? Um? Maybe
Speaker 1: like an underrated guy like Connor Williams isn't a good pick,
Speaker 1: right because no, because yeah that's too obvious. I like
Speaker 1: Mike White competing with Connor Rush Cooper Rush sorry for
Speaker 1: the backup spot at quarter broad Us really likes him.
Speaker 1: Dennie Big Yeah, just a big quarterback. Poise can spin
Speaker 1: it man. He threw a dime to Gallop I think
Speaker 1: last week over the shoulder down the sidelines, like wow,
Speaker 1: it's you know. And the thing I like about him
Speaker 1: is he really his touchdown interception ratio in college was
Speaker 1: really really good. Like he's smart with the ball, young
Speaker 1: quarterback that doesn't make mistakes. So if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: the backup, which he's got to win that job over Cooper.
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to be efficient to be a
Speaker 1: bus driver, so he but you gotta watch what about you? Who?
Speaker 1: Who's your pet cat? Going into camp? Well, part selfishly,
Speaker 1: I had a chance to do a story on cam
Speaker 1: Kelly and really engaged kid, really liked him, and I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see how he fits in with the kind
Speaker 1: of player in the kind of kind of scheme to
Speaker 1: CHRISTI Shard is building here and so I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see how he does. He's got a great story too,
Speaker 1: coming back from injury. And yeah, yeah, did you see
Speaker 1: the picture of that. I tried to avoid it. Someone
Speaker 1: tried to show me and I will refuse to look
Speaker 1: at Okay to go, well, we have I believe one
Speaker 1: more pet cat. We didn't say, Oh yeah, Shannon, my
Speaker 1: pet cat, man, I don't even know. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: Some homework for you. Yeah, that's some homework I have
Speaker 1: to let you know on Monday. Speaking of Monday, I
Speaker 1: believe that's our last show until we go to camp. Whoa, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think we got two more. We got two Monday
Speaker 1: and then because mini camps the next week, I think
Speaker 1: we got one more. I thought we had two more. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: we're coming to an end here and get a little
Speaker 1: break and then we uh we go daily once we
Speaker 1: get out to camp. What have you decided when you're
Speaker 1: coming yet? None of the exact dates, but I think
Speaker 1: it'll be the first week or two. Better stay for
Speaker 1: two Straighten this out for crying out loud. You tell
Speaker 1: her to talk to Nate because he's gonna disown you,
Speaker 1: kick your ass one if you don't come out there
Speaker 1: for more than two days. Which on the show the Internet,
Speaker 1: it's the Internet. It's not a family show. Rob By
Speaker 1: the way, Rob is an alumnus of this show. Uh,
Speaker 1: he said that earlier. I didn't say that. Star man.
Speaker 1: It's okay. Hey, you don't listen to Rob. I don't
Speaker 1: listen to Kurt. We got a dysfunctional family. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: my attention span comes and goes. Well, Kurt, thanks for
Speaker 1: showing up, Rob, Thank you so much for filling in
Speaker 1: for Nate. Steven Jones, thank you for joining us for
Speaker 1: a little bit and giving us some of your valuable time. Douglas,
Speaker 1: thanks for doing what you do. Kent, thanks for pushing
Speaker 1: buttons and everyone in the studio that makes this show happen.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. We will be back on Monday at
Speaker 1: our normal time, I guess eleven o'clock on Hanging with
Speaker 1: the Bus has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.