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Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of this information.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 3: You agree? I got five dollars?

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Speaker 4: This is a rain.

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Speaker 3: Cowboy travel Hit one man.

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Speaker 4: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable.

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Speaker 3: Humans need fantasy to be human?

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Speaker 4: My goodness?

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Speaker 2: That miss good you guys prose best, relentless, refusing to

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Speaker 2: give up.

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Speaker 3: All right, hit that horn, baby, bless there? What is up?

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Speaker 4: Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I'm your host, Chris

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Speaker 2: Raybaan Action Network, and this is the big episode for us.

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Speaker 2: This is our twenty twenty three Fantasy Football Sleepers episode. Here,

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Speaker 2: Sean Kerner, the odds maker, one of the top fantasy

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Speaker 2: rankers in the game, and myself are gonna go over

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Speaker 2: all of our sleepers at each position for twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Sean excited.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Actually, I'm still recovering from my commanders plus one

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Speaker 3: and a half sweat last night. Our entire Action hour

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Speaker 3: discord was just freaking out all game long, and rightfully so.

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Speaker 3: But we got the win. And if you haven't joined

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Speaker 3: our discord, please do. It's so much fun. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean NFL seasons here that that was a sweat

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Speaker 3: for you know all time. Last night, Holy shit, it's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like I feel like you got to like

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Speaker 2: poor one out though, like I did, Like that was

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Speaker 2: the most dominant dynasty in Yeah, like Raymonds preseason, it

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Speaker 2: was like a ten year winning streak.

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Speaker 3: They were showing clips of like the first win and

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Speaker 3: like the graphics on the broadcast looked like, you know,

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Speaker 3: the nineties. It was crazy. Was it twenty four games?

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Speaker 4: Twenty four?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they won that they won. They beat the

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Speaker 4: Eagles by one that last week, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they went last week? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 3: twenty four.

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Speaker 2: And uh but like if you're Washington and you started

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Speaker 2: your starters, yeah, and Baltimore started, yeah it Johnson and

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Speaker 2: they played Johnson Brown the whole game.

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Speaker 3: Ye played Tyler Huntley.

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Speaker 4: That's what I mean. I feel like Baltimore really won.

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Speaker 4: Like you're Washington, You're still lost even though you want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, the Commanders they benched their entire first ring

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Speaker 3: defense and it showed early on. So it was just

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Speaker 3: a high scoring game. But Joey Slide baby like, he

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Speaker 3: came through big time with some you know, big kicks,

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Speaker 3: So I moved him up in my kicker rankings. I know,

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Speaker 3: I'll love that part.

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Speaker 2: Man, Who do you do you gotta you still got

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Speaker 2: nick Folk for the Patriots?

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Speaker 3: Or you even now my my kicker rankings are fresh.

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Speaker 3: Don't come at me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just always hilarious because I'll just like,

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Speaker 2: I'll just like slack.

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Speaker 4: You like a like a random kicker. Like you need

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Speaker 4: to update this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, it's it's a bi weekly update. Not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: But as of now they are super fresh.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I mean we're already getting off track here.

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Speaker 2: I guess you want to start.

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Speaker 4: You want to start. You want to start.

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Speaker 2: Sleepers that kicker? Who's who's your who's your top sleeper

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Speaker 2: at kicker? Let's go off the script.

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Speaker 4: Got who you got? Man?

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Speaker 3: Let me see if I a name a kicker off

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Speaker 3: the top of my.

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Speaker 4: Come on, young way, I was gonna say, way.

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Speaker 3: Will Lutz, well LUTs maybe a lot of leading uh

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Speaker 3: game scripts. I don't have to let's not talk about kickers. Remember,

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Speaker 3: I don't draft. I don't draft kickers. Like get back

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Speaker 3: to me week one when I pick one off the

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Speaker 4: Jake Moody baby my kicker for right now. Uh, but uh,

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Speaker 4: let's go to uh, let's let's let's do the real

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Speaker 4: podcast now.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so quarterback, you know, sleepers at quarterback a little

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Speaker 4: So what do you what do you what's your outlook

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Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna have a ton of rushing upside

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Speaker 3: So yeah, as of now, like, I love getting Richardson

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Speaker 3: This is the perfect landing spot for him. I've been

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Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to kind of figure out, you know,

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Speaker 2: the range of outcomes in terms of you know, what

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Speaker 2: could dense will the offense be? You know, I look

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Speaker 4: So you know, that's the situation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's some that's a possibility, Like

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Speaker 2: I think he's a good bet to be, you know,

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Speaker 2: fields Memories started out really rough, that that first.

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Speaker 2: So he ended up starting ten games in his rookie year,

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Speaker 4: As a rookie, so it couldn't get ugly.

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Speaker 2: you know, coming over from Philly, having kind of developed

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Speaker 4: So I am hoping that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it kind of picks up as the season

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Speaker 2: Richardson should be making more than ten starts, and if

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Speaker 2: you know, everything from there, I think it'll be over

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Speaker 2: fifty percent, so he should he should return value either way,

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Speaker 2: But that's how I'm kind of seeing it with Richardson.

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Speaker 2: But either way, yeah, I think he's one of the

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Speaker 4: And then I know you like Bryce Young as well.

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Speaker 4: I'm I am, I am not a fan of the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: Just yeah, the more I look at I just I

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Speaker 2: interested to hear your take on Young, but I'm it's

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Speaker 2: not about Young. I think he's great, but I really

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Speaker 2: don't like the moves that they made. Like they gave

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Speaker 2: another five like this is all guarantee. They gave like

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Speaker 4: They gave Hayden Hurst.

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Speaker 2: Another thirteen meal, and then they gave Miles Sanders a

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Speaker 1: And then like you know, it's just the old line still,

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Speaker 1: like everyone is so mediocre, like the ceiling of everyone

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Speaker 1: else in this offense outside of Bryce Young, like in

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Speaker 1: terms of a talent perspective, right, so mediocre that it

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Speaker 1: is just driving me nuts.

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Speaker 2: And that offensive line is gonna have some issues. So

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Speaker 2: what do you what are you thinking with Young?

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Speaker 3: No? I agree with all that. I just think QB

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Speaker 3: twenty five is still too low for him. I think

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Speaker 3: he's still sneaking in that range. I think he is

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Speaker 3: he's moving around the pocket. You know, the offensive line

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Speaker 3: is not blocking well for him, but he can escape pressure.

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Speaker 3: Would never do that. No, you know, it's just we

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think at this point, yeah, I at this

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Speaker 3: in this offense without Gibbs. So he just has massive

438
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 3: upside baked in. And even if all the running backs

439
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: on the lines are healthy all season, I think he

440
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: beats his ADP. So that's why he got an A

441
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 3: plus grade for me. He's just the perfect type of

442
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 3: back to target, you know, in the RB three flex range.

443
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love him.

444
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 2: I love him even more in best ball too, because

445
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 2: you know, I still there are going to be some

446
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: weeks where he's going to be touchdown dependent. You know,

447
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: I still think Gibbs is going to get the majority,

448
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,719
Speaker 2: like the majority of the past passer and downward, so

449
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: there will be weeks you know, when he's touchdown dependant

450
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: or game script dependent. We do expect the Lions to

451
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: win the division, at least you know that, the market does.

452
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: I do.

453
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,719
Speaker 2: Uh, So I think there'll be more good game scripts

454
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 2: than that. But basketball, I think it really just maximizes

455
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: his value because he's gonna probably have weeks where he

456
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: scores you know, multiple touchdowns, uh, and then other weeks

457
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: where he probably just gets you know, fifty yards and

458
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 2: nothing else. So I love him in beastball, but I agree,

459
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 2: I think people are sleeping on him, you know, just

460
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 2: because of the shiny new toy in Gibbs.

461
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 4: But Montgomery is a shiny new toy himself.

462
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 2: They signed a pretty sizable free agent deal for a

463
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: running back when it could have just resigned Williams for cheaper,

464
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: So that tells you you know what they think of

465
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: of Montgomery. Uh, let's talk Zach Sharbone. I know he's

466
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: a guy you've you've really been liking. Saw him get

467
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of snaps in these last couple of preseason games.

468
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: Looked look pretty good. Uh, talk to me about sharbon A.

469
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was one of the four backs that

470
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: out an A grade or higher in my Upside ratings,

471
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: just because you know, he's a really talented rookie back

472
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: who when I watch film, reminds me of Nick Chubb,

473
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 3: just a very smooth runner, able to pick up those

474
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: yards after contact. Didn't love the landing spot because he's

475
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: he's beginning his career backing up you know, another talented

476
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: running back in Kenth Walker, but I think Charbon is

477
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: good enough to command enough touches to you know, offer

478
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: RB three flex value even when Walker's healthy. You know,

479
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: I think there is a chance that he could also

480
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 3: eat into you know, Walker's goal line usage because Walker

481
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: is more of a home run hitting back, Like if

482
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: you look at the short yarde numbers from last year,

483
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: he ranked thirty fourth out of forty eight in success

484
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 3: rate and Charbon is more of a high floor type

485
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: back where he can pick up those you know, few

486
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: yards that you need. So I think that he matches

487
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 3: Walker's skill sets perfectly. I think that's why they drafted him. So,

488
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: you know, RB thirty six is a bit steep, but

489
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: he should be able to beat that even if Walker's healthy,

490
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 3: like I said, like he'll have a pretty big role

491
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: as a rookie. And if Walker his time, I think

492
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: sharbon A does have low end RB one upside, So

493
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 3: I think that's why, you know, I like targeting him

494
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: in this range. That's why I gave him an A

495
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 3: grade or higher. It's just that built and upside that

496
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: he carries with his RB thirty six.

497
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I like Sharbone as well, but I wanted

498
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: to start with him because I want to now talk

499
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 4: about another guy I know we both like.

500
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: And that's Tank Bigsby. And as I'm kind of looking

501
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: into Bigsby, who's going you know, Sharbone is at RB

502
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 2: thirty six. Bigsby's more in the low forties, high forties,

503
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: low fifties in ADP, and I think their situations are

504
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: actually very similar. You know, Bigsby was put into the

505
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: number two running back spot on the depth tart before.

506
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: They even play a preseason game.

507
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: And you know he did indeed operate as that RB

508
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: two over Jamichael Hasty in the last game. He's looked

509
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: really good all preseason. Both of them are backing up

510
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, young talented running backs, but those running backs

511
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: might not be you know, every downbacks ideally for their teams,

512
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: like eat N was at times for Jacksonville last year.

513
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: But he still had ten games where he had a

514
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: fifty five percent or lower snap rate, including three of

515
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: the last four including the postseason.

516
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: So it wasn't just.

517
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: In you know that early part of the year when

518
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: James Robinson was still there. You know, they were trying

519
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 2: to win at etn snaps at times, and I think

520
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: that's why they drafted Bigsby and he I think his upside,

521
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: like his ceiling for standalone value is that Robinson role

522
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: where Robinson was averaging about eleven touches per game and

523
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: over the first six weeks. So I think there's a

524
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: lot to like with Bigsby and I'm starting to like

525
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: him even more than Sharbonnay because I think they have

526
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: very similar ranges of outcomes, floor ceiling, talent.

527
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 4: All that stuff.

528
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: But Bigly's going a few rounds later, So talk to like,

529
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: what do you think of what do you think about that?

530
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I think he's He's a cheaper version

531
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: of sharbon A. Like you said, he's like in a

532
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: similar situation, and it does seem like the Jaggers are

533
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: treating him like he's gonna be a week one like

534
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: not starter, but one B he's gonna tribute to play exactly.

535
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 3: And for Sharbonny, we haven't been able to really look

536
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: into any tillies because Kenneth Walker has been out, but

537
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: just early you know, usage in preseason. They do consider

538
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: Bigsby like, uh, you know, a piece of their offense.

539
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: So I think that he's gonna be you know, you're

540
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: gonna be hard pressed to play him when Etn is healthy,

541
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 3: but certainly when they have a good matchup or like

542
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: there's heavy bye weeks, he'll absolutely be like an RB

543
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 3: three flex kind of value. Even with ETN healthy, and

544
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: he's another guy I could see him definitely taking over

545
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: the goal line work like that's perfect for him, whereas

546
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: Etn again, he's more of a home run hitter, so

547
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: that those are the past for both Sharboning and Bigsby.

548
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: To offer value right away is kind of take away

549
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: those goal line carries. But either way, both backs are

550
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: steals with their ADP just because they have so much upside.

551
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: If the starting running back were to go down and

552
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: these could turn, they're probably going to turn into like

553
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones AJ Dillon type situations like it reminds me

554
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: of that, so that they should be able to provide

555
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: value even when the starting running back is healthy. So

556
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: both both the rookie backs, I love it ADP right now.

557
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, they spent some decent draft capital

558
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: on these guys, so I do expect them to play

559
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: early and often. Who else you got, oh, jam And

560
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Warren another guy we both like.

561
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: Talk to me about him, yeah, I mean he's gotta

562
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: be my most rostered running back at this point. I mean,

563
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: RB forty five is still criminal for his ADP, and again,

564
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: he was one of two backs during eight plus grade

565
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: in my upside ratings for obvious reasons, because I think

566
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: he should be able to beat his ADP again even

567
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: if Nag Harris is healthy all seventeen games, and he'll

568
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: he'll be able to offer RB two value if Harris

569
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: were to miss time. But I think there's a good

570
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: chance Warren will be able to force like a fifty

571
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: fifty committee this year with Harris, because you know, we

572
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: saw Warren eden to Harris's receiving usage last year. But

573
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna start eating into his early down

574
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: work as well. We've already seen that in the preseason,

575
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: and he ripped off that sixty two yard touchdown run.

576
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: So I'm a bit worried as adp might, you know,

577
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: start to shoot up a bit. But I think people

578
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: are starting to see that he might actually be the

579
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: better back in this backfield. Honestly, so, looking at my

580
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: expected yards per carry model last year, he was top

581
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: ten and Najie Harris's bottom ten. So I think this

582
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: is a situation where it could devolve or for Warren

583
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: upgrade to a fifty to fifty committee, you know, sometime

584
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: during the season. So I think at RB forty five,

585
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: he is an absolute steal.

586
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he performed better than Harris in in

587
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: a lot of different ways, you know, running the ball,

588
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: I think he was better even in pass protection last year.

589
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: And the fact that you know, he busted off a

590
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: big run, I think that's kind of something to Steelers.

591
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: Have been missing on offense.

592
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: So that's a good sign for him, kind of forcing

593
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: more of a of.

594
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 4: A of an even split.

595
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: And now the Steelers are still probably gonna run the

596
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: ball a lot, they still have that defense and they

597
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: kind of just want to play steward football, So I'm

598
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: sure there'll be enough to go around. But yeah, we've

599
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: both been just kind of singing the praises of Warren

600
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 2: all all summer.

601
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: So still think the market hasn't quite caught up to him.

602
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: Another guy I like, and this is one I seem

603
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: to be on an island, But I still like Alexander Madison.

604
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: I still think he's going way too well. I don't

605
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: I don't understand why people are so scared of his, Like,

606
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, I guess.

607
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: Holding on to the workload.

608
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Like everything the Vikings have done all offseason, everything I've

609
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 2: heard out of camp has kind of telegraphed exactly what

610
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: they're trying to do with Madison. Like they gave him

611
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: a new contract that made him a top twenty running

612
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: back in terms of guaranteed money. They released Dalvin Cook,

613
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: They don't bring in a veteran all camp. They don't

614
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: play Madison a single snap along with the with the

615
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: rest of the first team offense. They and you know,

616
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: last season, Dalvin Cook played seventy two percent of the

617
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: snaps and Madison played twenty six percent. And I think

618
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: that's exactly how it's gonna break down this year, except

619
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Madison's going to be in the cook role and you know,

620
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: working out a guy like Kareem Hunt, Mike Davis, who

621
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: are all these other guys Like, I think that's just

622
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: for the Madison role. And if they don't end up

623
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: bringing in somebody else, if they go into the season

624
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: with ty Chandler kne Wongu and Dwayne McBride as the

625
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: depth behind Madison, Madison might get even more than seventy

626
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: two percent of the snap. So, like, there's nothing to

627
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: tell me that he they don't trust him. I've every beat,

628
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: like I've heard some people like speculate, but then the

629
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: actual beat writers are like, no, they love this guy.

630
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: They they've literally been planning all off season to use

631
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: him as a feature back. And there's not many Like

632
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: some of the most talented backs in the league aren't

633
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: in situations where they could, you know, play have a

634
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: three down role, play seventy plus, you know, eighty percent

635
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: of the snap.

636
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: So I'm really high on Madis.

637
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: I think he should still be a top fifteen back

638
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: and he's he's outside of the top twenty in a

639
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: lot of people's ranks in ADP. So I love me

640
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: some some Alexander Madison. I think people are truly sleeping

641
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: on him, truly?

642
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got that right, because his ADP's down to

643
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: RB twenty five.

644
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like what the hell?

645
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: Which I was? I was like, oh, don't I don't

646
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: want to take him in the top twenty. But if

647
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: he falls at twenty five, how're not twenty backs better?

648
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: Like I have a better outlook than Alexander Madison.

649
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: Let me see if I could do the math right now?

650
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 4: They are not who was playing seventy two percent of

651
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: their snaps?

652
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: Like, we're not even gonna give him any upside.

653
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: You know, over the past few seasons, whenever you know

654
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook has been ruled out or like possibly ruled out,

655
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, we update our projections in Madison's He's a

656
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: clear top don back, right, So I think that that's, yeah,

657
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: that's the mindset we should have going in the season.

658
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that at all. I do think

659
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: that there's a chance he's if you look at the metrics,

660
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: he's not like a dominant running back, there's a chance

661
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: there's a window for somebody to step up and overtake him.

662
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: But again, I'm agreeing with you here. When you look

663
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 3: at their depth chart, I can't name a back that

664
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: we'll be able to do that. So I think his

665
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: his workload. I know his workload is safer than your

666
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: traditional frozen pond running back. I'm agreeing with you. It

667
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: does remind me like remember a couple years ago when

668
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: Mike Davis. I was like, I can't imagine who's going

669
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: to take over work from him, and ended up being

670
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: Cordello Patterson. I don't see that on the Vikings deut chart.

671
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: I think they would have to add somebody. I think

672
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: that's the only way that he gets leap frog. So

673
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think RB twenty five is probably

674
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: way too low for Madison, So.

675
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't think they're trying to have

676
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: him leap leap frog, right, Like Kareem Hunt was a

677
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: dude who played like twenty five thirty percent of the

678
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: snap luster and it wasn't even good, Like, if anything,

679
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: he would play the Madison role. But on top of that, like,

680
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: first of all, like the metrics with Madison is like

681
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: it's because like the ight, this is first of this

682
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: new scheme, you know, second year under O'Connell. Their old

683
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: line was different. But also they extended CJ. Ham and

684
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: they signed one of the best blocking tight ends in

685
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: the in the league, to a big contract in Josh Oliver.

686
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: They already had T. J. Hodginson.

687
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: They planned to play a lot more heavy this year,

688
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: so that's only going to help the run game. And like,

689
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: so that's just another reason for me to like a

690
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: guy like Madison, Like he's gonna have more CJ. Ham

691
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: and more Josh Oliver blocking for him and less of

692
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: like you know, Adam Thwhen or whoever it was last year,

693
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, trying to throw blocks on the edge. So

694
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: like this Viking team might actually not only just he

695
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: might not just replace the cook roll one for one,

696
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: but the Vikings may just be a better running team

697
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: all together. And like this ty Chandler nonsense is ridiculous.

698
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: Like Alexander Madison has played zero snaps in the preseason,

699
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: ty Chandler has been out there for sixty six snaps.

700
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: They might as well up and kill this dude, Like

701
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: sixty six preseason snaps?

702
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

703
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: Like this, this dude is not jumping Alexander Madison, and

704
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: he's been playing like he plays his starter so much

705
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: like his fourth and fifth receivers barely got any time,

706
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: Like the you know, the like month very like we

707
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen.

708
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: It's like, I feel like people are overthinking. It's crazy.

709
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were trying to see who the

710
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: backup's going to be. That's why Chandler's getting so much

711
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: work and Nuongo's been hurt. Mc Bride's been very disappointing.

712
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's a complete disaster behind Madison.

713
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Alexander Madison's backup is Alexander Madison. That's

714
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: basically that's what we're going right now. But yeah, so

715
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die on that hill. And another guy.

716
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 4: I like his, Tyra Algiar. I think people are sleeping

717
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 4: on him as well.

718
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: Because the Falcons were second in the league, had about

719
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: twenty seven running back carries per game last year. So

720
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 2: even if you project, you know, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, even

721
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: twenty carries per game for Bijon Robinson, which I think

722
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: is fair realistic somewhere in that range, you're still gonna have,

723
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: you know, on any given game, you know, seven to

724
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: twelve touches for Algier, and there's gonna be a lot

725
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: of games where, you know, if the average is twenty

726
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: seven there's there's a lot of games where they're gonna

727
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: go over thirty plus. So I and if Robinson were

728
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: to go down. We saw Algier last year, you know,

729
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: final four games of the year. He was one of

730
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: the top backs in the entire league. So I think

731
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 2: they he's another one of these guys that they feel

732
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: comfortable giving him a work coorse role.

733
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 4: If they have to. They just don't have to right now.

734
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: But you know, twenty one touches over the last twenty

735
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: three touches for one hundred twenty one yards per game

736
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: in the last four weeks if you need it, and

737
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: I think he's still going to have like push for

738
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: standalone flex values.

739
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: So love Algier as well, going outside the top forty backs.

740
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was one of four backs that I gave

741
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: him a or better grade to similar reasons as the

742
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: other guys were talking about. Just he should be able

743
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: to command enough touches to provide flex value at times

744
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: even when Bijon's healthy. And then like you said, if

745
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: Bijon's out, I would rank him as what a high

746
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: end RB two, So he just has massive upside where

747
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: he's gone.

748
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: Yep, And one guy I want to mention before we

749
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 4: go to wide receivers. Taj Spears doesn't.

750
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: He's not going to have any standalone value, but he

751
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: looked really good in the preseason and I think he's

752
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: going to be the handcuff to Dereck Henry. So, you know,

753
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: Henry coming off one of these monster carry seasons you

754
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: usually see, you know, or there was a higher chance

755
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: of injury, or you know, just kind of weird things

756
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: going down the next year that that forced a guy

757
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: like Henry to regress miss games. And he's also what

758
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: twenty nine now, so you know, this Titan team, I

759
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: think the Titans will be pretty solid. I think the

760
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: defense will be better without all these injuries. So you know,

761
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: Spears is the guy who are cheap handcuff for for Henry.

762
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: A lot of upside if Henry goes down, because I

763
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: think he might get you know, close to a full workload.

764
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely. Did you see his touchdown run? Oh yeah,

765
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god. He is so good. And again, don't

766
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: let the no ACL and arthritis talk get you down

767
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: from this year. That might come into play in year

768
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 3: five or six for him, but he should be every

769
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: bit as good as a rookie this year. And I

770
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: got him in Dynasty and all these things. But yeah,

771
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: like he would be pushing RB two value if Derek

772
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: Henry were to ever mess times.

773
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,759
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00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,120
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799
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: don't know what to do with him, Like I feel

800
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: like I have him too high. But at the same

801
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: time it's I don't know how many Jaguar pass catchers

802
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: can all like put up like great values.

803
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: So I don't know what to do with him. But

804
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 4: you like him as a sleeper, so uh talk to

805
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 4: me about about him?

806
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have him to already him ranked right now?

807
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: Thought, I think I think I have him like wide

808
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 4: receiver fifty something like he just projects so highly even

809
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 4: with YEP, even with uh Ridley and Kirk there.

810
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: And Ingram exactly. Yeah, so I mean he's gone, you know,

811
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: around wide receiver sixty it looks like and you know,

812
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: his his production will obviously take a hit with cal

813
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: Ridley now in the mix. But and he probably won't

814
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: repeat his you know, wide receiver twenty nine performance last year.

815
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: But widers sixty one seems way too low, especially considering

816
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: he's still probably gonna see eighty five ninety percent routes

817
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: run rate in one of the better passing attacks in

818
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: the league. And just based on preseason usage, it was

819
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk who came out on the two wide receiver sets,

820
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: so is Ridley and Zay Jones lined up in two

821
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: wide receiver sets. So I think Zay Jones should be

822
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: right around ninety percent routes run ready again this year.

823
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: So I think he has a ton of upside as well,

824
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: because if either Ridley Kirk or Evan Ingram miss any time,

825
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: you know, he's gonna jump up in our rankings even

826
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: more so, I think, just later in the draft in

827
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: this range, it's so easy to get a guy like

828
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: Zay Jones. He always falls to me. So yeah, he's

829
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: one of my favorite sleepers once you get outside the

830
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: top sixty. Yeah.

831
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: And Marvin Jones, the ghost of Marvin Jones, finishes the

832
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: wide receiver fifty seven last year, which which is actually

833
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: surprising to me.

834
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: I mean, now, he did play sixteen games.

835
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: It would be a it would be lower if you

836
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: look at points per game, but you know point remaining

837
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: that you know, Jay Jones could really not do much

838
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: and just kind of still beat his ADP at wide

839
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: receiver sixty one.

840
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: See.

841
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: I like that as well.

842
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: A guy I like a lot is Michael Gallup for

843
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. I think this is another team, the Cowboys

844
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: that I feel like people are just kind of overlooking

845
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: a little bit this year. You know, they they lose

846
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz and they add Brandon Cooks and McCarthy's calling plays,

847
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: and I guess everyone's just kind of soured on them

848
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: because you got McCarthy calling plays and Shottenheimer there and

849
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: Moore's gone, but Dak Prescott still a pretty good quarterback.

850
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: The line should still be solid and give them time.

851
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: And like, I don't know how they're gonna run.

852
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: They led the league in running back carries last year.

853
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: I know they say they want to run more, but

854
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: I don't see how they're gonna run more.

855
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: With no Zeke.

856
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: And you know, like like they ran more than the

857
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: Falcons last year in terms of running back handoffs.

858
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: So I like the Cowboys passing game.

859
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: And Gallup is a guy who you know, going outside

860
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: the top fifty, I think he should be, you know,

861
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: right around that wide receiver fifty range.

862
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: The reporters, he's gonna run.

863
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Fewer low percentage routes, just go routes where he's just

864
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: kind of a decoy and be moved around the formation more.

865
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's gonna, you know, do well for

866
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: his value. And he's also even when he tore that ACL,

867
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: he didn't even have surgery till February of twenty twenty two.

868
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: So coming back last year, he had a really bad season,

869
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: but he was not far removed at all from that

870
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: from that surgery, and he just was not right at all.

871
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: But before the surgery he averaged about fifty three yards

872
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: a game for his career, and I think he can

873
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: get back up to that point. And you know, he

874
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: could finish as a wide receiver three, even a wide

875
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: receiver two, and not many wide receivers going into wide receiver.

876
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: You know, fifty five sixty range can can say that.

877
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: So I like Gaup and I think it was even

878
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: an outside shot he beats out or he's more targeted

879
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: than than Brandon Cooks.

880
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 4: So I love Gallup and Cooks yea.

881
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's always one of my favorite sleepers every year,

882
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: so you get him. But yeah, I was gonna say

883
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: that last year was kind of a lost season just

884
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: because he wasn't one hundred percent when the season started

885
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: and it showed. And he should have a much more

886
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: diverse route tree this year, which should help him draw

887
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: more target So I'm with you on this one, all right.

888
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: Talk to me about Van Jefferson.

889
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's another receiver that kind of had a lost

890
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: year last year. You know, he missed the first half

891
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: of the season due to injury and then only played

892
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: three games with Matt Stafford before he went down with

893
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: his season injury. So I think Jefferson is another sneaky

894
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: wide receiver in the sixty five to seventy range. The

895
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: last time we saw full season from Jefferson was twenty

896
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: twenty one, when he finishes the wide receiver thirty one,

897
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: and I don't see why he shouldn't be in that

898
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: role again this year. You know, the Rams defense will

899
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: likely take a big step back this year, so they

900
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 3: should be you know, as pass heavy as ever this year,

901
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: and the Rams, what you know, wide receiver number three

902
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: slot just gets worse and worse every year, and this year,

903
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: you know it's gonna be some mix of two two

904
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: at Well, Puka Nakua, Ben Scarnic. So you know, Jefferson

905
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: should be a lock for the number two receiver role,

906
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: which means in this offense he should be a top

907
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: three target for staff for most weeks. So you know

908
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 3: wide receives Wide receiver sixty eight is a steal for

909
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: Jefferson as well. He's another guy they'll like it get

910
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: like getting at the end of my drafts.

911
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I go back and forth on Jefferson because.

912
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: Like he's a guy where like, yes, in theory, it

913
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: seems like he should be locked into the number two row.

914
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: But like if Nicula plays well and at because I

915
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: think Atwell is gonna be involved no matter what. It is,

916
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: kind of like a gadget, but like almost like a

917
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: Mikole Hardman where he's gonna get like fifty percent regardless

918
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: of whether he's the three or the four or the

919
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: two or whatever. So but like I I do see

920
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: a scenario where like Jefferson, Nicula and at Well, I'm

921
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: not scronic he was playing. I think he was playing

922
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: in like the second half of the game. He went

923
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: to so I'm not I don't think he's gonna factor

924
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: in this year as much.

925
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: But uh that that's the only That's why.

926
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: Only worried with with a guy like Jefferson is you know,

927
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: as opposed to a guy like Zay Jones, where even

928
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: though he's like the wide receiver three on the team,

929
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: I really don't see anyone like I don't see his

930
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: job in any jeopardy like I could see Jefferson kind of,

931
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, him and a bunch of other guys kind

932
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: of having a little more of an even rotation behind

933
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup. So uh, that's my only thing with Jefferson

934
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: at why I'm not, I'm not higher, but I do

935
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: agree like if he does hold that role, he's gonna

936
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna smash his ADP like just exact smash it

937
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: and and would be a great beast ball pick too, yep,

938
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: because he you know, deeper deeper targets average fifteen yards

939
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: per catch for it for his career.

940
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about Uh, let's go with Jaden Reid,

941
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: who caught a touchdown in the Packers Patriots game.

942
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: Looks like he's got that slot roll locked up and

943
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: Terray is gonna be the you know, kick returner and

944
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 2: more of the wide receiver. Four.

945
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: I started to Ray playing you know, way into the

946
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 4: further into the game. Then then Reid.

947
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: So you think Reid can beat this? He said, wide

948
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: receiver seventy five.

949
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: I believe it is.

950
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, wide receiver seventy five. Yep.

951
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, where do you see him from him?

952
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? So he he's a rare kind of like high

953
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: floor option this late in draft. So this is somebody

954
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: that you would take, like in Best Ball if you

955
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: need depth or like a deeper league where I'm in

956
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: some leagues where we start five plus wide receivers, like

957
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: a league like that. Reid is perfect because well he

958
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: wasn't one of my favorite receivers from this year's class. Uh,

959
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: he did land in one of the best situations for

960
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: year one production. So it does look like he's a

961
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: lot to be, you know, the Packers starting slot wide

962
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: receiver this year. And it's also worth noting just that

963
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: Jordan Love has looked really good. I think that, yes,

964
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: Jordan Jordan Love could be this year. Is Geno Smith

965
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: where he's someone that you know, we haven't seen play

966
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: that much over the past couple of seasons, but they

967
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: have just progressed so much that they could shock us.

968
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: He's replacing a future Hall of Famer. So I like

969
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: investing in the Packers right now, and Read is obviously

970
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: the cheapest way to do that. But just based on

971
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: what I've seen from Jordan Love makes me like Jayden

972
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: Reid and obviously you know, Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs even more.

973
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that, I find myself wanting to draft every

974
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: Packers receiver, like even Luke Musk. Yeah, exactly who we'll

975
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: talk about.

976
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, you know I think Read.

977
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's definitely gonna have get the snaps. I

978
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: guess the biggest challenge for him would just be, you know,

979
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna be the lowest a do guy, especially

980
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: with Musgrave is more of like a down the scene,

981
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: deeper kind of tight end.

982
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 4: So that that's my only concern with Red.

983
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: Like I like Reid, I like Jal and Hyatt even

984
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: more because my thing with Hyatt is, whereas I don't

985
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: think Reid is gonna jump Watson, I do think he

986
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: there's a chance he could out target Dobbs this year,

987
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: but I think Jaymen Hyatt has a chance to be

988
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: the most.

989
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: Targeted Giants receiver.

990
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: And I noticed something very interesting about his usage in

991
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: the preseason.

992
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: In college, Hyatt was a slot receiver pretty much. He

993
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 4: was like eighty eight percent slot in college.

994
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 3: Uh.

995
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: In camp, they've been talking about how he's been beaten

996
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: guys deep on the outside, and in the pre season

997
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: he's played eighty one percent of his snaps outside. So

998
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: that means the Giants aren't just like lumping him in

999
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: with that gaggle of s Crowder and Beasley and Shepherd

1000
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: and all these guys. Like yeah, I think they really

1001
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: want to get high on the field and they you know,

1002
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: if we know it's kind of a merit based system

1003
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: and that nable offense, and I think Hyatt just has

1004
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: an extra gear.

1005
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a dude who scored five touchdowns against.

1006
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: Bama against Bama, gave them their first l of the

1007
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: season last year, and fifteen touchdowns overall, but Litmankoff winner,

1008
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: I think this guy has a chance to be special.

1009
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: And so like that's why in that range, I'm still

1010
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: going high it over some of those other guys. But

1011
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: I do like Reed, I do like Hyatt, I like

1012
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: Rashid Rice, I like Tank Dell a bunch of those

1013
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: rookies in that range. But I'm starting to warm up

1014
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: to Hige it because I think him and Rice as well.

1015
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: I think both of those guys, and and I guess

1016
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: Dell to a lesser extent.

1017
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 4: I just I don't know what's up with his injury.

1018
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: He missed that preseason game.

1019
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 2: But you know, these guys I think have a better

1020
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: shot of being their team's number one receiver. Now in

1021
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: Rice's case that would be and and Higatt case that

1022
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: will still be the number two target. Dell's case, I mean,

1023
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: if you were, I could see him jumping everyone and

1024
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: being the top target. So any thoughts on on on

1025
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: these rookies. Yeah, No, I think Hyatt in that range

1026
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: has the highest ceiling. Again, I think jayde Reid's a

1027
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: good high floor play. He's a rare high floor play

1028
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: in this range. But some of these receivers in this range,

1029
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: like a Josh Palmer John Metchi, like they need an

1030
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: injury to have any value, whereas Hyatt doesn't need an injury,

1031
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 2: jayden Reid doesn't need an injury. Tink Dell probably doesn't

1032
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: need an injury to hit in this range. So those

1033
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: when I'm drafting in this range. I'm just thinking, which

1034
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: which of these receivers don't really need an injury to

1035
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: have value this year? And I think, like what you said, Hyatt,

1036
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: he probably already has his role set in this offense,

1037
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: like he's the deep threat kind of guy, and they

1038
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: don't really have that. So I think he'll have a

1039
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: path to having value. But he's perfect for best ball

1040
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: because you probably won't know when those spike weeks are coming,

1041
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: whereas jayde Reed is more for like traditional head to head,

1042
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: fantasy and deeper leagues. But yeah, I think Hygatt out

1043
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: of this range has the highest ceiling for sure.

1044
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean Rice, I think looked really good in the

1046
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: preseason as well. And you know I'm not buying this.

1047
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: Cadarius Tony is gonna be like a healthy well not

1048
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: even just that, I mean he's already not healthy, but

1049
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna I don't think he's gonna be

1050
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: more than a rotational guy. He's he's I think he's

1051
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: gonna be like kind of like a Micole Hardman in

1052
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 2: terms of the percentage of snaps more around like forty fifty,

1053
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: Like he never topped forty four as a chief last season,

1054
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they'd like to get him more, but

1055
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: he got injured again. They have so many receivers, I

1056
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: think they're gonna have like a rotation at receiver. Like

1057
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: last year, their top receiver was in terms of routes

1058
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: run per game percentage was Juju at seventy seven, and

1059
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: I think MVS was at seventy six. And I could

1060
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: see whoever leads it this year, maybe it's probably gonna

1061
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: be sky Moore. I could see him leading with an

1062
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: even lower percentage, like I could see them going like

1063
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: more seventy percent, uh MVS sixty percent, Rice sixty percent

1064
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: to fifty percent, and then like a couple of other

1065
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: guys like twenty five percent like Watson or James or

1066
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: Ross or whoever makes the team. But I could see

1067
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: them working in five six receivers with you know, kind

1068
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 2: of more of a rotation. But I think Rice, you know,

1069
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: if Tony's gonna be more of a rotational guy, I

1070
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: think MBS he probably is gonna see a down tick

1071
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: as you know, more guys kind of jump up because

1072
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: he's like a didn't really produce much last year and

1073
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: target only in thirteen point seven percent of his routes,

1074
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: so I think they could stand to cut his snaps

1075
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. So I think it is Rice versus More,

1076
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: and I don't I like More and I love the

1077
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 2: year too kind of weak guys, but I don't think

1078
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: More showed me enough to where I'm just gonna like say, okay,

1079
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: he's automatically just gonna like beat out Rice for the

1080
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: entire year. So you know, Rice in you know, as

1081
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 2: a potential number one target or number you know wide receiver,

1082
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: top wide receiver in that Mahomes offense is pretty intriguing

1083
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: to be as well as Dell is more of the

1084
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: guy that really has to you know, make some jumps.

1085
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 2: But that like, I mean, it's Nico Collins and Robert

1086
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: Woods and you know.

1087
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: About Nico Collins. You could talk sure about Robert Woods,

1088
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: just not Nico Collins. Please, okay, I mean I know Brown, Yeah, no, Brown,

1089
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: he doesn't have much to leap frog. And yes, that's.

1090
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it doesn't sound like Mechi has really established himself,

1091
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: so you know, but that but that's still more of

1092
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: a projection. But yeah, I think hiatt Rice uh And

1093
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: and Jaden Reid, you know, they're gonna have roles this year.

1094
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: It's just you know, how consistent are they going to

1095
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: be and how high is the ceiling? And uh yeah,

1096
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: I think I think like you said, Reid is a

1097
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: is a great kind of like head to head high

1098
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: floor could could average four catches a game even and

1099
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: whereas high and and and rice or higher ceiling. Guys,

1100
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: let's close it out with tight end. We both like,

1101
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: don't on Kincaid. I mean I think he could he

1102
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: could be as high as the number two target this year.

1103
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: This year, yeah, yeah, I mean this is the year

1104
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 3: of the rookie tight end. Like this, this is a

1105
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: really good class. I think we could see like three

1106
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: or four of these tight ends put up really good

1107
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: numbers as rookies, which is uncommon. But you know, we've

1108
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 3: seen Kincaid's ADP skyrocket in the past couple of weeks.

1109
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: He's up to tight end twelve now. I think just

1110
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: people are getting to see him in action to no surprise.

1111
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: He looks great. But like you said, it's clear that

1112
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 3: Bills drafted him to be a key weapon, you know,

1113
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: as soon as this year could be you know, Josh

1114
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: Allen's number two target most weeks. Still, Gabe Davis is

1115
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: more of just a high variance deep threat, So a

1116
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: guy like Kincaid gives them just more stability, which I

1117
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: think makes a ton of sense. And he like heading

1118
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 3: into the draft here reminds me of like a Mark

1119
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: Andrews type of pass catcher. He has a ton of

1120
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: upside as a pass catcher, and he landed him one

1121
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: of the best situations. So, you know, tight end twelve

1122
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: might seem steep, but that that's the perfect time to

1123
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: take a flyer on a guy like Kincaid because if

1124
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: he doesn't work out, which I don't think is happening,

1125
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 3: you know, you're not spending that much draft capital on him.

1126
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 3: But he has you know, top five upside as a rookie,

1127
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: so he's definitely worth taking a flyer on. The hype

1128
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: is there for a reason. Just it's clear that the

1129
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: Bills are banking on him this year to hit the

1130
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: ground running, and I think he's more than capable of

1131
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: doing it. So I still love him, you know at

1132
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: tight end twelve.

1133
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's even though you know, we know rookie

1134
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 4: tight ends you know, takes a while to develop, harder

1135
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: to produce, but kin Kid is really just a big

1136
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: slot receiver.

1137
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1138
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: Dawson Knox is still going to be on the field

1139
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 2: as the other tight end. They want to run more

1140
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: one one, one two personnel, just using Kincaid instead.

1141
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 4: Of like Cole Beasley or you know McKenzie.

1142
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: McKenzie right exactly, because it horses the defense instead of

1143
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: having like a little, you know, tiny dude like McKenzie

1144
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: out there in run blocking. You know, when you are

1145
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: gonna run, you have a guy like Kinkaid who can

1146
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: still hold his own against a linebacker just due to

1147
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: his size.

1148
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, if if Gave Davis.

1149
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: Is getting you know, one too many of those like

1150
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: low percentage routes and you know maybe has a few drops,

1151
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 2: I could absolutely see Kincaid be in that number two

1152
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: because like let's say the Bills, when the Bills do

1153
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: go to one one personnel, right and they do actually

1154
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: bring like Surefield or uh Deontay Hardier or Colercial Cure,

1155
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: whoever it is, onto the field as their third receiver,

1156
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: if you like Kinkaid in that role, you would have

1157
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: Kinkaid over knocks as you're pass catching tight end on

1158
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: third down, So like your third down would be three receivers,

1159
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: Kinkaid and enter back. So like there's yeah, I'm all

1160
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: in on Kinkaid. I just like every way, I kind

1161
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: of factor it out. I see him on the field

1162
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: catching passes, so uh yeah, I don't. I don't mind

1163
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: the the T twelve at all.

1164
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: Tyer Higbee.

1165
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy had a twenty four percent target

1166
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: per route rate and with Cooper Cup active, twenty three

1167
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: target per route rate, so didn't even really get affected

1168
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: by Cup being on the field or not. And we

1169
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: know the RAMS, they've been bottom four in running back

1170
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: catches each of the last four years, so and we

1171
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, the receiver no one's established outside

1172
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: of Cup. So yeah, I think I think Higbee is

1173
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: a top twelve tight end.

1174
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: I agree, he's my tight end eleven. And that's because

1175
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm holding down his productions a bit. If I just

1176
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: let my raw model fly, he'd be like tight end

1177
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: eight go in. I mean I might get there. I might,

1178
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: but he's burned me in the past. But I think

1179
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: this is the year. This is the year he like

1180
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: truly breaks out, because, like I said when I was

1181
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: talking about Van Jefferson, the number three slot for the

1182
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 3: wide receiver depth chart on the RAMS is like you know,

1183
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 3: knowing by the year. So I think that you know,

1184
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: Higbeill'll step up and he'll probably be the number two

1185
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: target in this offense that should be very pass heavy.

1186
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, I love Higbee at where is he like

1187
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: tight end fourteen right now? Still?

1188
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, fourteen fifteen depending on the league.

1189
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: And then Sam Laporte, I mean he got he got

1190
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: the starter treatment, so all all systems go there for him,

1191
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: kind of inheriting that Hockinson role, So we love him.

1192
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: And and then then Jake Ferguson, you know, looks like

1193
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: he's going to be more of a one for one

1194
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: replacement for Dalton Schultz rather than you know, in a

1195
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: committee with hender Shot and schoon Maker. So I think

1196
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: Ferguson is a massive Like Ferguson could just put up

1197
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: the Schultz numbers and like he you know, he's going

1198
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: as the tight end twenty four to twenty five still

1199
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: and he could easily finishes you know, the the tight

1200
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: end twelve or even higher like Schultz had three straight

1201
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: top twelve finishes over the past three seasons. So I

1202
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: know it's a new offense, a little should be a

1203
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: little bit of a new offense. But Ferguson looked great

1204
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: in his limited action in the preseason, and he is

1205
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: apparently going to be take that Schultz role, So I

1206
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: think people need to like, that's a guy. People just

1207
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: need to start drafting as like a low like a

1208
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: low end tight end, one high end tight end two

1209
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: in that you know tight end like fifteen range.

1210
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, like if you remember, like earlier this offseason

1211
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: we had like Ferguson screwmaker and like even Hendershot ranked

1212
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: like in the thirty, that's because we didn't know who's

1213
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: gonna emerge. Now that it does look like it is Ferguson,

1214
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: he's got to go way up people's draft boards.

1215
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's one where again like just kind

1216
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: of pencil him in for similar to Dulton Schultz production,

1217
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: and you're gonna see that he's a steel. And then

1218
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, Luke Muskgrave great Best Ball pick just because

1219
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, should be the starting tight end for the

1220
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: Packers and you know has some downfield upside and Tyra

1221
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: Davis got hurt for the year, Daguis moved to fullback,

1222
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: so it's all about musk Grave with Craft behind him.

1223
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 2: So I don't think he has tightened one upside, but

1224
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: I do like him in Best Ball.

1225
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: As a tight end too. So there we have it.

1226
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,520
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1227
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: Do you think of anybody else work?

1228
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: I've been thinking okay, frankly.

1229
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I mean I'm.

1230
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: Higher on Jake Moody than the Okay, so I guess

1231
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,040
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