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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I
Speaker 1: am Bill Jones with the Mick, and we've got Cobby
Speaker 1: as well. We've got Everson Walls. It is the last
Speaker 1: day of April. We are one week after the two
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty NFL Draft, and it is day number fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm counting the days of this uh COVID pandemic, and
Speaker 1: so fifty days into this. It was May eleventh when
Speaker 1: this all started, when the sports world got shut down.
Speaker 1: But thank god, Mickey, we had the NFL Draft last
Speaker 1: week and this is a new look Dallas Cowboys team. Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely is seven dude Draft choices in uh March eleventh.
Speaker 1: By the way, Billy March eleventh. I'm sorry, I always
Speaker 1: get March in May mixed. You know what, you always
Speaker 1: got to be scared that I lost track of the time.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Uh what a draft. It was
Speaker 1: what a neat production the NFL pulled off with all
Speaker 1: the teams. What a neat production the Cowboys pulled off
Speaker 1: as a as an organization. And uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: here we are finally get a chance to talk about
Speaker 1: it five days later, but it's still fresh and everybody's
Speaker 1: mind and uh, you know, Everson, I never dreamed that
Speaker 1: the NFL could pull it off the way they did
Speaker 1: so seamlessly. It seems, Hey, everybody's going virtual now, Spags.
Speaker 1: It was That's what I've been doing. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been on the computer more now than I've ever been
Speaker 1: in my entire life. And as an old dude like myself,
Speaker 1: this is not anything I'm accustomed to. But I like
Speaker 1: the way that the NFL made the adjustments. I love
Speaker 1: the raw opportunity to look at the where the kids
Speaker 1: came from and the interaction with the parents. You know,
Speaker 1: when we see them on the draft day, they're all
Speaker 1: drafted up. Everybody's all looking nice and fancy restaurants and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Now it was just raw, dog,
Speaker 1: this is my house. My currents are a little stained
Speaker 1: in the back. You know. We tried to cover up
Speaker 1: some of the stuff with some other stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: I thought that was just very cool. You saw, first
Speaker 1: of all, how personal this this whole draft was, because
Speaker 1: you heard a lot of very human interest stories that
Speaker 1: just really kind of pulled at your heart string. And
Speaker 1: that's been going on obviously, you know, for decades. But
Speaker 1: it's good that they kind of dwelled on that a
Speaker 1: little bit. And along those lines also the coaches and uh,
Speaker 1: team executives and so forth, seeing them in their own
Speaker 1: homes from the commissioner in his own basement, which was
Speaker 1: of course dressed up for television. But uh, in fact
Speaker 1: I was talking with I did a little zoom interview
Speaker 1: with Charlotte Jones Anderson yesterday and we were talking about
Speaker 1: the telecast and you know, you had Cliff Kingsbury out
Speaker 1: in his whatever he's living in out Arizona. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick with his dogs making the pick and U
Speaker 1: and then Jerry on his yacht and as Charlotte, as
Speaker 1: Charlotte put it, you know, it was it was someone
Speaker 1: had told her that this and she so she admitted
Speaker 1: she was stealing it from someone. But it was like
Speaker 1: it was like everyone was sort of on brand with
Speaker 1: what they are like in real life and being the
Speaker 1: chief branding officer that Alice Cowboys. I thought that was
Speaker 1: then appropriate way for Charlotte to put it. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and it continues to happen, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the stay at home thing, the isolation thing, but it
Speaker 1: always seems to bring us more together. Uh. And we
Speaker 1: see a more personal view of people. Uh. And again
Speaker 1: it happened in the draft and Bill, you're you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: It it put a face on the NFL. You know
Speaker 1: everything when it's at a stage it's formal. The guys
Speaker 1: walk out, they hugged the commissioner, they put on a
Speaker 1: goofy hat. Uh and then you know it's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: well this uh yeah, it just made it more real
Speaker 1: and uh made people more real and the emotion more real.
Speaker 1: Uh So yeah, I thought it was great. And you
Speaker 1: know it all worked too. We didn't really lose connection
Speaker 1: or anything, uh fluffed up, didn't miss a draft pick.
Speaker 1: And you know, and you go through however many draft
Speaker 1: choices they had, Uh, it seemed like that. It was remarkable.
Speaker 1: You know. Plus you saw how Rot Goodell has the
Speaker 1: worst sense of humor. I think I've ever heard of
Speaker 1: any commissioner. His jokes were bad, and he knew they
Speaker 1: were bad, but I did like his timing. His timing
Speaker 1: was good, but the jokes were just really bad. Can
Speaker 1: we clear something up on CD Lamb's reaction, Mickey, because
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of criticism out there that
Speaker 1: when the announcement was made on television that CD didn't
Speaker 1: really have a reaction, much of a reaction, we need
Speaker 1: to point out that, See that was not when he
Speaker 1: found out that he's a Dallas Cowboy, right right, I
Speaker 1: mean he got the phone call prior to that. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And and again what he was mad that he got
Speaker 1: drafted by the Dallas Cowboys? Are you serious? Now? He
Speaker 1: may be a little disappointed that he lasted till the
Speaker 1: seventeenth pick. They could understand that. And I saw that
Speaker 1: in some of the other guys too. It's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I just got drafted. And it wasn't just by the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it was other picks too that guys thought they would
Speaker 1: go a lot sooner. So uh, yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 1: hide your disappointment in how long you lasted the draft
Speaker 1: when everything's live. But I was getting some texts from
Speaker 1: friends saying, well, it doesn't look like he's excited me
Speaker 1: in a Dallas cowboy, And so I explained to him
Speaker 1: that what happens on this is the team makes the call,
Speaker 1: when they make the pick, they and they're making they're
Speaker 1: sending the pick in Basically, they make the call, Jerry
Speaker 1: gets on the phone with the player and they get
Speaker 1: on and then it's it's several minutes passes by before
Speaker 1: the announcement is made on television, and that's why his
Speaker 1: friends and family are all poised to jump up and
Speaker 1: they're all excited whenever the pick is announced on television,
Speaker 1: and the players will react different ways once they the
Speaker 1: realization occurs where it's actually announced on television, but they
Speaker 1: already understand that the team has already drafted him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really what really went viral though, was between the phone.
Speaker 1: I know you guys, you know you gotta go there,
Speaker 1: ain't God, I gotta go there, man, I got kids
Speaker 1: here at the house. You know when I said kids
Speaker 1: are thirty plus years old. But that's what they all noticed.
Speaker 1: Everybody went off on the The young lady tried to
Speaker 1: tried to take the phone from him, and he on
Speaker 1: a smooth I mean a real smooth tip. He just
Speaker 1: kind of reached and grabbed that phone from like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't touch that phone. No, no, let me touching
Speaker 1: the phone, right, yeah, don't message the bath phone. I thought.
Speaker 1: I just thought I was That was the funniest thing,
Speaker 1: you know, the second funniest thing about the entire draft,
Speaker 1: that phone to her picking up the phone and then
Speaker 1: the lady getting picked up off of her son. You know,
Speaker 1: the girlfriend was hanging on the guy and the mother
Speaker 1: comes over, picks up the girlfriend by under her armpits
Speaker 1: and drags her away. I want to get in and
Speaker 1: get this is my son. I'm gonna get a hug
Speaker 1: at this Mary. That's the kind of stuff golden, golden
Speaker 1: for the draft. I hope they do this every year
Speaker 1: Reality TV. And it's fine. It is reality and you know,
Speaker 1: and see since that stuff happened when the camera was flashing,
Speaker 1: it happened, right. It's the old saying, like a tree
Speaker 1: falls in the forest. Uh, you know, you know if
Speaker 1: nobody and the same thing with CD, because that's up
Speaker 1: to TV. TV's gotta be on him. When he got
Speaker 1: the original phone call, like a bunch of the other
Speaker 1: guys and they didn't have that shot good stuff. You
Speaker 1: see those shots on the like the second day of
Speaker 1: the draft, you get the uh, the actual phone call
Speaker 1: reaction a lot of times. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: CD to get things kicked off here. And how surprised
Speaker 1: were you, Mickey, that CD was still there at seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. You know, as I was monitoring
Speaker 1: the draft and they got past the pick twelve, and
Speaker 1: I said to myself, oh my goodness, they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to draft calevan Chase on and I put
Speaker 1: a question mark on my sheet at number sixteen next
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, and I said, if Atlanta doesn't screw this up,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys going to get their defensive end. And then
Speaker 1: as it started getting closer, I'm going, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: they might have a choice between two of them. And
Speaker 1: you remember how we had been talking Bill and we'd say,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what they need, and this is
Speaker 1: what they're going to get at seventeen. And I would
Speaker 1: bring up, but what happens if by some miracle, they're
Speaker 1: sitting there at seventeen and CD lambs on the board,
Speaker 1: you know, what do you do? And I think we
Speaker 1: were all in agreement We'll take them, don't. He's got
Speaker 1: to be the best player on the board at seventeen,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, and that's the decision they made.
Speaker 1: It was like all the mock drafts that they did.
Speaker 1: Stephen talked about it. Will McClay talked about it. They
Speaker 1: never had to go through a scenario where they had
Speaker 1: to decide if CD was their choice at seventeen because
Speaker 1: they thought it was so unreasonable, And when it happened,
Speaker 1: it was like, well, I got to follow the board.
Speaker 1: We got this guy number six on our draft board,
Speaker 1: the sixth best player in the draft. We gotta take them,
Speaker 1: and boy, what a home run. They couldn't have asked
Speaker 1: for anything more. I'm gonna ask you in a bit
Speaker 1: why he lasted so long. But you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: ended up doing what most teams do. You're gonna take
Speaker 1: the best athlete available, and it just so happened. The
Speaker 1: best athlete available is in a positions that we need.
Speaker 1: We just lost Coyle. We realized how CD is in
Speaker 1: regards to where he lines up. He can run routes
Speaker 1: from any position. I think this is gonna bode well
Speaker 1: for obviously our offensive system, especially on third downs. Having
Speaker 1: CD in there being able to go back and forth
Speaker 1: with he and Cooper in the slot. That's something that
Speaker 1: you know, we always criticized Daz about about not being
Speaker 1: able to be more versatile by being in the slot.
Speaker 1: This guy kind of checks all of those boxes and
Speaker 1: of course once he's once he gets the ball, he's
Speaker 1: just a game breaker. So we talked about this a
Speaker 1: long time ago, Spag. We always talked about the studs
Speaker 1: that were available at wide receiver in this draft. We
Speaker 1: talked about this months and months ago, and here it is.
Speaker 1: It comes into fruition that this is a guy. But
Speaker 1: overall I might be jumping the gun, but overall I
Speaker 1: thought this is a defensive draft for the Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: everything just kind of worked out pretty well. You know.
Speaker 1: I thought Jerry Jones made a really good point when
Speaker 1: he was summoned up the draft and he said, I
Speaker 1: don't know what we did, what we wore, what we
Speaker 1: where we were sitting, but we need to do it
Speaker 1: again because things just fell for him, right. They didn't
Speaker 1: force anything. It just kind of happened. Didn't happen to
Speaker 1: make any hard decisions. Yeah, yeah, And a lot of
Speaker 1: it had to do and you were gonna say, well,
Speaker 1: why was he there? Well, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams ahead of him basically started drafting by Need and
Speaker 1: the more offensive tackles you saw go off the board.
Speaker 1: You're sitting there going, oh my gosh, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna get what they want. H and teams drafted for Need.
Speaker 1: And you know, as I said, we got to sixteen
Speaker 1: in Atlanta took aj Tarrell, the Clemson cornerback. It was like, well,
Speaker 1: all this just fell in their lap. They didn't have
Speaker 1: to do anything. They didn't have to trade up, they
Speaker 1: didn't have to get fancy. It was like, huh. You know.
Speaker 1: The funny thing was I got a question from somebody, well,
Speaker 1: with the Michael Gallop and Amari Cooper, how are they
Speaker 1: gonna use C. D. Lamb? And my answer was, they're
Speaker 1: just gonna put them on the field. You know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna worry about how we're gonna use them and get
Speaker 1: him on the field. You know, just put the ball
Speaker 1: in his hand. That's what we're gonna do with him.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put the ball in his hand. That's right,
Speaker 1: you know. And you look at the way things fell.
Speaker 1: There were really three receivers and I actually had four.
Speaker 1: I had to Jefferson from LSU up there, along with
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy and CD Lamb. And I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of teams probably look at those
Speaker 1: top three guys as you know, it's it's like do
Speaker 1: you like chocolate ice cream, you like vanilla ice cream? Whatever?
Speaker 1: I mean there, I can see how you might rank
Speaker 1: them where Judy might be number one on some teams board.
Speaker 1: I personally like Lamb the best. I had Judy second
Speaker 1: by a small margin. Ruggs and Jefferson were in that
Speaker 1: same mix, but it kind of went by need. What
Speaker 1: those teams ahead of them were looking at it wide
Speaker 1: receiver and the Raiders wanted a speed guy, and so
Speaker 1: they took Rugs and then Denver, it came down to
Speaker 1: a choice between Judy or Lamb, and they just decided
Speaker 1: to go with Judy instead of Lamb. But even before that,
Speaker 1: Arizona at number eight, they would have been in the
Speaker 1: market for a receiver, but they had traded for DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: so they went defense with Isaiah Simmons. So that pushes
Speaker 1: another wide receiver down and it just so happened that
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb was the guy that fell down to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at seventeen, and then you're right, and then Atlanta
Speaker 1: they're sitting there. They've got two receivers and Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and Ridley and so they and they needed a cornerback
Speaker 1: and so they took aj Terrell instead. So it just
Speaker 1: worked out for the Cowboys. But you can take it
Speaker 1: round by around that one, you have to ask the
Speaker 1: question like what if what if we would have taken Judy?
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have mattered. I think both
Speaker 1: guys a quality players. So it's one of those right
Speaker 1: situations where it doesn't matter which one you pick. It
Speaker 1: was all start to fall very well for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's as if I don't know. Somebody
Speaker 1: mustn't Jerry must ask somebody driving that yacht somewhere, because man,
Speaker 1: he was just sailing along and doing everything that needs
Speaker 1: to be done. And let's just be real, guys, the
Speaker 1: hero of this entire draft, my boy Will Will did
Speaker 1: a great job, very just a what do you call
Speaker 1: just his temperament is just so calm and even, and
Speaker 1: just to see him be as successful as he was,
Speaker 1: just an even killed young man. I really enjoy the
Speaker 1: way he stepped up this draft. We got Jerry looking good,
Speaker 1: but we know that Will did all the work. But
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. He would not tell you that the Will
Speaker 1: is ly really and hero at two things like that
Speaker 1: Number one. Billy, Remember when I made the joke about
Speaker 1: the dark board behind me that if I replaced the
Speaker 1: numbers with the position and I blindfolded myself and through
Speaker 1: a dark whatever position I hit, it would be good.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys need it. Well. If you can see up
Speaker 1: there right now, it's on a it's the bull's eye
Speaker 1: and it's CD Lamb's bio pinned to the board now
Speaker 1: because they hit Cede Lamb. And as for Will McClay,
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty neat. Uh. He did a
Speaker 1: conference call two days ago. Two days ago, and when
Speaker 1: he mentioned Uh, it was mentioned to him that Jerry
Speaker 1: and Stephen called him the MVP of the draft. And
Speaker 1: he went through this, this whole long dissertation of how ownership,
Speaker 1: the scouts, the coaches, the head coach all came together
Speaker 1: very very well and did this whole thing. But he said,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to give an MVP award to this draft,
Speaker 1: it's my scouts because they did the Lake Ward. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to do the thirty visits.
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to do Dallas Day, barely
Speaker 1: got a chance to do any pro day. So all
Speaker 1: their decisions had to be based on the leg work
Speaker 1: that these guys did throughout the season and how they
Speaker 1: inform the organization during these virtual meetings that they were having.
Speaker 1: And he said, without the scouts, we couldn't have done
Speaker 1: what we did. So, yeah, hats off to Will, but
Speaker 1: really hats off to him by giving that amount of
Speaker 1: praise to the guys that work for him. All Right,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break here and when we
Speaker 1: come back, we dive into the rest of the Dallas
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Speaker 1: cornerback Trayvon Diggs the number fifty one pick in the
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Speaker 1: Welcome back here to Mick Shot spill Jones with Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola and Everson Walls as we break down this twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Cowboys draft and Yes, cornerback heavy in the second
Speaker 1: round and the fourth round with Reggie Robinson, the second
Speaker 1: out of Cleburne, Texas and Tulsa University. And also the
Speaker 1: Cowboys this week have signed a veteran cornerback, Darryl Whirley,
Speaker 1: who started fifteen games for the Raiders last year, was
Speaker 1: originally a third round draft pick in twenty sixteen of
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, who's been a starter throughout his career.
Speaker 1: Make it very interesting, Mickey, the inventory they now have
Speaker 1: at the cornerback position. Nothing better than competition on your team, right,
Speaker 1: and there could be no slackers at the cornerback slash
Speaker 1: safety position. And boy, when you see those highlights of Digs,
Speaker 1: that's a big corner and I think that's what they've
Speaker 1: been looking for. They want big press corners that can
Speaker 1: get on the line of scrimmage and disrupt patterns right
Speaker 1: from the start. And the fact that they were able
Speaker 1: to get Digs where they did in the second round,
Speaker 1: are you serious? Because they had him. There was a
Speaker 1: consideration of taking him in the in the first round
Speaker 1: actually until things fell the way they did. So to
Speaker 1: get him with the nineteenth pick in the second round
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. And uh yeah, he's got some skills now again,
Speaker 1: as Everson said about Ceedee Lamb, you know there's got
Speaker 1: a berees and teams didn't take the guy. And you
Speaker 1: know he doesn't have the greatest speed his catchup speed,
Speaker 1: but you know what, if you don't have to catch up,
Speaker 1: then you know you don't have to use that ketchup speed.
Speaker 1: So I just see with the guys you mentioned with
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson, the trade for darryl' worley, uh, and then
Speaker 1: having a woozier Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis. Boy, that's
Speaker 1: a pretty stout group there, and you're going to see
Speaker 1: some competition. And I think one of the things when
Speaker 1: we talk about these guys, and you guys can give
Speaker 1: me your opinion on the guys they drafted, somebody's moving
Speaker 1: to safety and they've got some guys with versatility to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. And you know, Everson, after
Speaker 1: you give us your kind of summation on what you
Speaker 1: think of Digs and maybe Robinson, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you about making that transition from cornerback to safety if
Speaker 1: you hadn't played it before, well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: You're right those fact one of those guys they are
Speaker 1: going to safety. But what you saw with Diggs is
Speaker 1: a guy who has such great technique. I love the
Speaker 1: way he gets his hands on the wide receivers. I've
Speaker 1: seen him be extremely aggressive, I mean pretty much causing
Speaker 1: a fight at the line of scrimmage. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of one on one you want to see the one
Speaker 1: on one practices in the Cowboys practice field. Once we
Speaker 1: start giving this season going and this whole COVID thing
Speaker 1: goes by the wayside, you are going to see some
Speaker 1: of the most intense one on one competitions that you've
Speaker 1: ever seen in Cowboys camp. And that's the way it
Speaker 1: should be because you've got bigger receivers in the league
Speaker 1: these days. Cowboys may not necessarily be one of those
Speaker 1: teams with the huge receivers, but everyone's concentrating on big
Speaker 1: receivers these days, so you gotta have the big dbs.
Speaker 1: Great footwork by Diggs, great hand combat by Diggs. I
Speaker 1: love his skills, his ball skills. When he gets down
Speaker 1: the field, some of the interceptions that you see he makes,
Speaker 1: he deciphers what the offense is trying to do. Now,
Speaker 1: that's a nice luxury to have when you have the
Speaker 1: defensive line and the rush that Alabama had. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, he's able to work with his defense
Speaker 1: and be able to really sniff out what the offense
Speaker 1: is trying to do. And to me, that's just as
Speaker 1: important as being able to play one on one. You
Speaker 1: have to be a smart player and understand what the
Speaker 1: offense is trying to do. When I look at Robinson, well,
Speaker 1: I see a guy who you could tell that he
Speaker 1: was a transformed safety from and going to corner. I
Speaker 1: thought Robinson's footwork was a little slower. I guess he
Speaker 1: would say smoother, which as a defensive back, that sounds
Speaker 1: a little better. Brand. Eye coordination is still very good,
Speaker 1: but you can see a little bit off now. To me,
Speaker 1: that doesn't negate a good cornerback at all. If he
Speaker 1: can work with his tools, you know, you're looking at
Speaker 1: the guy run the fourth seven. So if you can
Speaker 1: work with your tools, that's great. But I think Robinson,
Speaker 1: if all the cornerbacks that they draft that they signed,
Speaker 1: that Robinson may be the one that looks more more
Speaker 1: apt to go to safety. He's really rangey, and he's
Speaker 1: got good anticipation and you can judge that ball very
Speaker 1: well when it's in the air. So we're looking at
Speaker 1: turnover cornerbacks. Okay, we're looking at guys that look for
Speaker 1: the ball. They're looking for fumbles, they're looking for loose balls,
Speaker 1: and they can go up and get interceptions. So hopefully
Speaker 1: this this whole drought about the Cowboys secondary and not
Speaker 1: getting interceptions, I'm hoping this craft is over because I
Speaker 1: can't take it. Guys, I'm just letting you know. I
Speaker 1: can't take it. Not another year of this, I can so. Bill,
Speaker 1: what did the big Green notebook cav on these corners? Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you about Reggie Robinson the second and
Speaker 1: in fact, you talk about picks. He had four picks
Speaker 1: for Tulsa last year there, and Diggs had three for Alabama.
Speaker 1: But I talked with Reggie's dad this week, Reginald Robinson, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, as a Grambling man just like our
Speaker 1: Everson Walls. He played at Grambling. I think he gradual.
Speaker 1: He say graduated ninety four, ninety five, I think. But
Speaker 1: but he said that he told Reggie four or five
Speaker 1: years ago when he started at Tulsa that Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is the guy he could be. Like. Okay, and when
Speaker 1: you look at Reggie's numbers, like at the combine. Well,
Speaker 1: his dad told me that before he put on fifteen
Speaker 1: pounds here in the last couple of years, he was
Speaker 1: running a four to three. Okay, he ran a four
Speaker 1: to four four at the combine. The eleven foot broad jump,
Speaker 1: it's not twelve foot like Byron Jones, but no one
Speaker 1: has a twelve foot broad jump like Byron Jones. The
Speaker 1: twenty two bench reps, Wow, I mean that's something um
Speaker 1: for a cornerback, safety, whatever game. It's exactly, yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: and so but you think about Byron Jones. He at Yukon,
Speaker 1: he played both corner and safety, and I agree that
Speaker 1: that he's probably the most likely candidate to get reps
Speaker 1: at corner. But I'll throw in Darryl Whorley in there
Speaker 1: as well. All three of these guys are in that
Speaker 1: six one, two o five vicinity. Whorley that he's now
Speaker 1: listed I think at two fifteen. But I looked at
Speaker 1: some of Darryl Worley last night in their game against
Speaker 1: Kansas City last year with Travis Kelsey at tight end.
Speaker 1: Of course for Kenny Sea, they got killed in the game, obviously,
Speaker 1: but Worley was playing outside at right cornerback, matched up
Speaker 1: against Tyreek Hill a lot in that game, but he
Speaker 1: was playing in the nickel a lot of times. They
Speaker 1: matched him up one on one with Kelsey and he
Speaker 1: had a real good game against Kelsey. And he played
Speaker 1: some deep safety as well for the Raiders in one
Speaker 1: of their sub packages, so he's got some ability to
Speaker 1: play the same position. Also, you know, Bill, be clear,
Speaker 1: guys before we go on spat, excuse me, you are
Speaker 1: not just looking at these guys for being maybe starters
Speaker 1: or contributors defensively. You're looking at some good special teams
Speaker 1: prospects as well. And the Cowboys really fell off as
Speaker 1: for special teams last year, so you could see that
Speaker 1: as they're picking these these studs here at defensive back,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I think they're also looking at them to
Speaker 1: contribute all over the field, not just in the defensive
Speaker 1: part of the game. Well, and and Everson, good point
Speaker 1: on Reggie Robinson because he did play special teams at Tulsa.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he basically said he had been
Speaker 1: on all of them. Whatever special team there was, he
Speaker 1: was on it. Uh. And I think if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: Billy finished his career with four block kicks at Tulsa.
Speaker 1: So yeah, special teams important a key thing on unworthy. UH.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Will McClay about it. You know.
Speaker 1: He he did move inside and took took on the
Speaker 1: tight ends at times. Uh. And towards the end of
Speaker 1: the season this past year, UH, they the Raiders had
Speaker 1: problems at safety with injuries, and then they released Dj Swearingen,
Speaker 1: and the last couple of games he made the transition
Speaker 1: to safety. And he started at safety. Uh. And and
Speaker 1: I saw an article he was talking about, uh playing cornerback,
Speaker 1: and and he thought that, you know, playing quarterback cornerback
Speaker 1: and preparing for games is difficult because now you got
Speaker 1: to you got all these things you gotta worry about.
Speaker 1: He goes, but he felt like the transition to play
Speaker 1: in safety was a lot easier to be able to
Speaker 1: pull off. And I was gonna ask Everson, because you
Speaker 1: had to do it, did you ever play safety before
Speaker 1: you went to the Giants? Yeah? I played safety in
Speaker 1: high school. I was cornerback until I got to Grambling.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to give a spott Grambling. They
Speaker 1: have me at safety my freshman year at Grambling as well.
Speaker 1: But when it came down to it, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: make the team at Grambling, you gotta keep up with
Speaker 1: these jack rabbit wide receivers that I had to deal with.
Speaker 1: So I was forced to play cornerback because finally I
Speaker 1: got good at it from just going one on one
Speaker 1: every day. So yeah, going from that immediate confrontation face
Speaker 1: to face, you're sometimes you're breathing right in each other's
Speaker 1: faces and having to deal with the chaos, the quickness,
Speaker 1: having your back to the ball, all of those things
Speaker 1: can be very stressful as a cornerback. But as you
Speaker 1: moved back away from that and going to safety, then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's no immediate threat. You have
Speaker 1: a chance to survey the situation. Sometimes you can really
Speaker 1: decipher what's going on offensively. So yes, playing safety is
Speaker 1: very good as long as you don't have to hit somebody.
Speaker 1: So that was my problem when I went to safety
Speaker 1: with the Giants. That's when all my injuries start to
Speaker 1: pile up. So yes, going the safety is easier mentally,
Speaker 1: but physically that's a whole nother issue, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think the other thing we need to point out,
Speaker 1: Bill is the fact that you know, they like Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods at free safety. You know, I think there was
Speaker 1: this idea that boy they had to draft a safety.
Speaker 1: They got to get better at safety. But they like
Speaker 1: Woods and then they did, you know, a one year
Speaker 1: deal for Haja Clinton Dicks. So to me, he's sort
Speaker 1: of a bridge for these other guys possibly moving back
Speaker 1: there and providing some depth and they needed. They did
Speaker 1: lose a Cavon Frazier yesterday in free agency, and obviously
Speaker 1: they weren't in a hurry to resign him. So again,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about moving these guys, I think everybody
Speaker 1: thinks you're moving them and you're gonna start them right. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, they paid Dicks three and a half million
Speaker 1: a year for this this coming year, and I as
Speaker 1: soon they brought autom in with the idea of starting him.
Speaker 1: Now there's going to be competition, and you know that
Speaker 1: doesn't automatically go to those guys, but they do have
Speaker 1: those two guys there, so whatever they're moving there, you know,
Speaker 1: it could be more for a depth situation than anything else.
Speaker 1: And then you know, let's not forget Donovan Wilson. He
Speaker 1: had a pretty good training camp and then just didn't
Speaker 1: get many opportunities once the season began. But they really
Speaker 1: liked him and liked his ability to play special teams too.
Speaker 1: So from a safety standpoint, even though they didn't draft somebody,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're in pretty good shape with guys
Speaker 1: being very versatile, able to do different things. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people we focus on this year, but
Speaker 1: why they had such a need at the cornerback position,
Speaker 1: and it's safety for that matter, it is because you
Speaker 1: got so many players are going into the last year
Speaker 1: of their contract, so many starters going into the last
Speaker 1: year of your contract. Let me ask you this, Everson,
Speaker 1: what do you think, right? You got Whirley who started
Speaker 1: fifteen games last year for the Raiders. You got Trayvon Diggs,
Speaker 1: the second round pick, who was a wide receiver, mind you,
Speaker 1: as freshman year at Alabama and has two years of
Speaker 1: starting experience in college at a very high level at Alabama,
Speaker 1: but just still just two years of experience at cornerback.
Speaker 1: And then you got the starters coming back in Cheeta
Speaker 1: A Woozier. You got Jordan Lewis, you got Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: at safety. You've got Xavier year Woods, you got Haha
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix. My question is if they were to trot
Speaker 1: out there here in a couple of weeks with OTAs
Speaker 1: who is your starting cornerbacks on this team? If I
Speaker 1: would if I were to pick the start the cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: I would have to go with the Woozier. I'd have
Speaker 1: to go with Dicks and then including the Nickel in there. Also,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to include Nickel, then yes, I would
Speaker 1: go with the experience. I'll probably go with Brown in
Speaker 1: the slot and Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: The only thing about Jordan man what great experience in
Speaker 1: the slot, but maybe so small. I think if you're
Speaker 1: gonna look at the experience he has, that's one thing.
Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna go with the intimidation aspect of it,
Speaker 1: I want more physical cornerbacks out there, physical cornerbacks and safeties.
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna talk about the safeties, and I
Speaker 1: know you didn't ask me, but if I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you anyway, I'm looking at how hot Clinton Dix is
Speaker 1: moving closer to the line of scrimmage, I really am.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him being what Woods was for us
Speaker 1: last year. When you have that kind of experience in
Speaker 1: that position, you have a chance to make a lot
Speaker 1: of plays. Especially making for plays that are behind the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. You're also looking at trying those those
Speaker 1: situations where a why a cornerback or a safety can
Speaker 1: really be important on third down. I just from where
Speaker 1: they're going against the slot. I'm looking at cornerback being
Speaker 1: on the slot. But when you have a veteran safety,
Speaker 1: he can be filled in in so many places. Yes,
Speaker 1: he could play the tidings if he wanted to. He
Speaker 1: could play free safety if he wanted to. You're looking
Speaker 1: at a secondary right now that could be extremely physical,
Speaker 1: but also extremely smart, extremely ball conscious. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they were going far when they win the draft.
Speaker 1: And you know, Bill, you mentioned, you know, talking about
Speaker 1: three starting corners. I think what they've done here is
Speaker 1: they've strengthened their nickel defense and given them a more
Speaker 1: opportunity to be better playing dying with slot. Of these
Speaker 1: guys that can play in the slot along with the
Speaker 1: guys that can play outside. So I think that improves
Speaker 1: your path defense. And you know, as they were talking
Speaker 1: in post draft press conference, Will talking about the guys
Speaker 1: they saw the defensive lineman they brought in, he said,
Speaker 1: you know this, this is no longer. You know, an
Speaker 1: NFL that's three yards in a cloud of dust. You
Speaker 1: gotta be able to be athletic. You gotta be able
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. And because of the passing game,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to have three starting corners, and
Speaker 1: if you can put four guys out there, including the safeties,
Speaker 1: to play in the slot the way the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: back in the nineties when they had Darren Woodson, a
Speaker 1: safety playing in the slot. And I'm not saying these
Speaker 1: guys are Darren Woodson, but the ability to put a
Speaker 1: big guy in there that not only can cover, but
Speaker 1: can stop the run. You can say, Okay, I'll go
Speaker 1: dime here because it's almost like I got another linebacker
Speaker 1: in the slot. Me another point of what Belichick did
Speaker 1: with us when we were in New York. He brought
Speaker 1: me in. Even though I came in and started a corner.
Speaker 1: You had three big corners there because I took Perry
Speaker 1: Williams spot. But when he came to third down, Perry
Speaker 1: comes in and plays his regular corner spot. Then I
Speaker 1: went into the slot. So you that diversity that you have,
Speaker 1: you know, that can do a lot for you when
Speaker 1: it comes down the stretch. Plus, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of depth in the secondary right now, so if we
Speaker 1: have any type of injuries or something like that, you've
Speaker 1: got some guys that can just step in right away
Speaker 1: and be able to play ball. These young kids nowadays,
Speaker 1: they're ready to play now. They're ready to play now.
Speaker 1: This is not one of those things where you've got
Speaker 1: some guys coming from some small school, you know, and
Speaker 1: he might make it or he might not if somebody
Speaker 1: drops off. No, a guy like Diggs, he's ready now
Speaker 1: for NFL. He's ready right now for the start of
Speaker 1: the season. A guy like to me, a guy like Robinson,
Speaker 1: he's ready right now for the start of the season.
Speaker 1: I don't care where he played in college. This guy's
Speaker 1: a stud and he is one guy that can make
Speaker 1: an impact for the Cowboys as well as long as
Speaker 1: this training camps good and he's able to make some plays.
Speaker 1: He has just as much potential as Digs does to
Speaker 1: make some plays on his team. And on one other point,
Speaker 1: that one other point to factor in this year though,
Speaker 1: since they are not having workouts at the facility this offseason,
Speaker 1: and this is I think one of the beauties of
Speaker 1: this Worly signing. Who who started fifteen games last year
Speaker 1: for the Raiders. If Diggs isn't ready from a mental
Speaker 1: standpoint to start the season as you're starting cornerback, You've
Speaker 1: got Worley there who has starting experience, and so that
Speaker 1: could factor into things as we get into training camp
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Speaker 1: about more about this draft. Let's get deeper into it,
Speaker 1: And how about let's let's fast forward to what they
Speaker 1: did trading up to the late fourth round to take
Speaker 1: a center from Wisconsin. Tyler Biadas is a Dallas Cowboy
Speaker 1: and he was the Remington Award winner last year. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a shrewd move giving up a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick next year, Okay, lust Lust By hearing there
Speaker 1: for minutes, I think Bill was talking about the center
Speaker 1: beads and uh boy, yeah, right there you go going
Speaker 1: into this draft when everybody was giving their needs, and
Speaker 1: I kept saying, well, what about center? Uh? And when
Speaker 1: you looked at the center position, the guys that are
Speaker 1: on the roster right now. And I understand Joe Looney
Speaker 1: did a nice job starting for Travis Frederick in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen when he missed the entire season, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of a guard center, okay, and he's a really nice backup.
Speaker 1: But and then there was all this talk about moving
Speaker 1: this guy to center and that guy to center, and
Speaker 1: Adam Redman coming back. And I kind of looked at
Speaker 1: it and I said, Okay, fine, did any of these
Speaker 1: guys were talking about being the Cowboys starting center actually
Speaker 1: start a game at center? Last year? And the answer
Speaker 1: was no, So to me, they needed to go out
Speaker 1: and draft a center, somebody who played center last year.
Speaker 1: And they found the guy that was the Remington Award
Speaker 1: winner at Wisconsin. And okay, I know three centers went
Speaker 1: ahead of him, but they had a high grade on Tyler,
Speaker 1: and I think that was a wonderful move to give
Speaker 1: up a fifth in twenty twenty one to move up
Speaker 1: into the bottom of the fourth round and get a center.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that fifth is not going to
Speaker 1: mean anything because the amount of guys they lost in
Speaker 1: free agency, they're gonna make it up with compensatory picks.
Speaker 1: And I saw one story last the other day that's
Speaker 1: already projecting who's gonna get compensatory picks by what they lost,
Speaker 1: and they had the Cowboys projected to get a third, fourth, fifth,
Speaker 1: and a sixth, so that that fifth doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: But to have a guy that played center last year
Speaker 1: on your team, and especially if there's no offseason for
Speaker 1: these guys to make a transition from playing guard like
Speaker 1: Connor mcgovernn or Connor Williams to center, or Adam Redman
Speaker 1: who spent the whole season on ir to have a
Speaker 1: guy that actually did it, I think is huge to me.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like taking up a safety and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you go play corner. You know, we realized that the
Speaker 1: how shorthanded he might be in a lot of different
Speaker 1: situations because that's just not his true position. When you're
Speaker 1: playing center, I mean, obviously it's it's it's simply selanatory.
Speaker 1: Your position is the s two of everything that's going
Speaker 1: on on the field offensively, and so that center has
Speaker 1: to be extremely intelligent. He has to know the system
Speaker 1: back and forth, and it has to be something that
Speaker 1: he's been instinctly doing for at least four years. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of new houses that go with being a
Speaker 1: center that a guard or a tackle or a backup
Speaker 1: may not be able to take care of. But when
Speaker 1: you have a true center there, then it's just a
Speaker 1: seamless transition from going from college to pros. I truly
Speaker 1: believe that, you know. And the thing on Beata is
Speaker 1: he played at a very high level at Wisconsin, which
Speaker 1: of course has produced so many NFL offensive linemen. Really, Saysaruz,
Speaker 1: the center from Michigan would probably be the guy that's
Speaker 1: ranked number one on most everybody's board. He was a
Speaker 1: parade all American five star guy coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: But Beatas was right there with the other centers that
Speaker 1: went ahead of him in the draft, Lloydbury from LSU,
Speaker 1: Matt Hennessy from Temple. The knock on Beata's was the
Speaker 1: medical because he had a hip surgery a year ago.
Speaker 1: He had a shoulder surgery this year. Obviously, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: doctors passed him. They felt good about him. Otherwise they
Speaker 1: would not have given up, even though the price is
Speaker 1: not that high, as Mickey mentioned, with the fifth rounder
Speaker 1: next year, with so many compensatory picks coming, but for that,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have traded up to try to get him
Speaker 1: if they didn't clear him medically. And so I think
Speaker 1: they feel good about it. And I think he's got
Speaker 1: a good shot of coming in here if he's healthy.
Speaker 1: Because of all the reasons Mickey sits right there, his
Speaker 1: experience at center to be able to start as a
Speaker 1: rookie in this league. How about Neville Gallimore the third
Speaker 1: round pick, Robert and I the fifth round pick. They
Speaker 1: improved the defensive line there. Well, Bill Gallimore is your guy, right.
Speaker 1: I like Gallimore and especially where they drafted him with
Speaker 1: the eighty second pick yeah, absolutely, and it seems like
Speaker 1: a very athletic guy on your defensive line. Uh. They
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's got very good lateral pursuit. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and he's a guy that's he's on the come. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, he played football raised in Canada and they
Speaker 1: got to college here and uh, so this guy's got
Speaker 1: a lot of room to improve. And there's an example
Speaker 1: of his lateral pursuit. Uh. And he's got a great motor.
Speaker 1: So uh to combine him here with McCoy uh and
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll see where Tristan Hill lines up.
Speaker 1: But they've got that spot now, I think, uh solidified
Speaker 1: to the point where if they need to at defensive
Speaker 1: end and you need a big defensive end on the
Speaker 1: right side, and Tyrone Crawford's your guy with experience over there,
Speaker 1: and I'm told he's ready to go. Uh he's his
Speaker 1: rehab is going greatly after the two hip surgeries, So
Speaker 1: that even fortifies that spot, not knowing if you're gonna
Speaker 1: get Alden Smith or Randy Gregory on the field. So
Speaker 1: I liked the pick of Gallimore and he was another guy,
Speaker 1: by the way, Everson that they considered in the second
Speaker 1: round and saying, Okay, maybe we can get the corner
Speaker 1: in the third, and then they decided to do it
Speaker 1: the way they did, and then Gallimore was still there.
Speaker 1: You know what, I what I what really stood out
Speaker 1: for me with Gallimore was a fourth of your dash
Speaker 1: four seven nine four seven nine. Yes, I read the
Speaker 1: four seven four and I was one hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: pounds at the time, and I'm thinking to myself, what
Speaker 1: if this big guy was chasing me and he had
Speaker 1: an angle, I'd be dead. So I liked the signing.
Speaker 1: I like the athleticism that they were going after. Uh.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just to speed. His maneuverability was very impressive,
Speaker 1: extremely active inside. This guy is amazing the way he
Speaker 1: makes the play. But what I did see, and I
Speaker 1: know Bill's gonna cringe a little bit, that offense, that
Speaker 1: Oklahoma or defensive line just really fell off a little
Speaker 1: bit at the end of the season. And I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if his inconsistency had anything to do with that, because
Speaker 1: I would imagine if he would have been more consistent,
Speaker 1: that maybe that entire defensive line would have been more consistent.
Speaker 1: But I say, with the tools that he has, we
Speaker 1: can make this guy be something that he may not
Speaker 1: have been in college. He could maybe be more consistent,
Speaker 1: maybe if you just teach him a couple of things
Speaker 1: here and there, because he's highly skillful at what he does,
Speaker 1: and that's something that I think we need inside and
Speaker 1: that kind of speed chasing people down the line, we
Speaker 1: could use that because, trust me, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of people going down the line last year and missing
Speaker 1: every running back that came through, especially after Thanksgiving. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're looking at trying to shore that up. A little
Speaker 1: bit light in the butt though, guys at three oh four,
Speaker 1: I think he was. That's I'm a small for an
Speaker 1: inside guy, but I guess that's why he's got some
Speaker 1: speaking of maneuverability, you know, I'd also like the fact
Speaker 1: that he comes in with Gerald McCoy similar backgrounds and
Speaker 1: being in Oklahoma where McCoy can be sort of a
Speaker 1: mentor to him as well. What about Robert to Night.
Speaker 1: You talk about the contrast, you talk about Gallimore and
Speaker 1: his four seven nine forty, Well, here's Robert and Night
Speaker 1: and the reason I assume the main reason that he
Speaker 1: fell to the fifth round was the fact that he
Speaker 1: ran a four nine one at the combine and his
Speaker 1: other measurables were not great either, a seven four four
Speaker 1: cone drill and a four four three shuttle. You know,
Speaker 1: what I saw on him, Bill, is that he actually
Speaker 1: had a pro day at Utah and improved that forty
Speaker 1: to four seven nine. So I think I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody looked at that. The other thing that was
Speaker 1: pointed out about him, and Will McClay had a really
Speaker 1: good scouting report on him. He said, he said, some
Speaker 1: guys don't time fast, but they play fast, And he said,
Speaker 1: if you look at this guy's tape, he plays fast.
Speaker 1: He plays fast because he's got desire, and he plays
Speaker 1: fast because he's got football instincts. So again, that forty
Speaker 1: time didn't bother the Cowboys maybe as much as it
Speaker 1: bothered other guys. Hey, this guy was an All American.
Speaker 1: He set the record at u TAK for sacks, so
Speaker 1: he did something on the field. So again, you know,
Speaker 1: ever since when we were talking about this virtual stuff,
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes all the measurements and the testing kind of
Speaker 1: went out the door and you had to rely more
Speaker 1: on tape. And this guy I saw he and I
Speaker 1: never heard of this award, but it was he was
Speaker 1: awarded them. Morris Trophy and it was for the best
Speaker 1: defensive lineman voted on by offensive lineman. And this guy
Speaker 1: that's good stuff. Yes so. And the other thing I
Speaker 1: like about him is that in junior high, now he
Speaker 1: was raised in Hawaii, uh lei, uh Hawaii and uh
Speaker 1: he learned in junior high to cliff dive. And he
Speaker 1: says he can do a double back flip off a
Speaker 1: fifty foot cliff at two hundred and sixty pounds. So
Speaker 1: maybe that'd be another way to get to the quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna flip up. There should be that should be
Speaker 1: part of the combine. See how many people can do that?
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I like about this guy. And
Speaker 1: see when we went after on that in the two
Speaker 1: draft picks. Energy, high energy. These guys a possessed in
Speaker 1: every game. Their motors will never stop running. And that's good.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing for the Cowboys because Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: loves to an athletic defensive line. He's gonna be coming
Speaker 1: with a lot of blitzes. So this defense, if nothing else,
Speaker 1: it won't be boring. We're gonna we're gonna be a
Speaker 1: make a great defense no matter what happens. And hopefully
Speaker 1: we can be more make than break. All right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: think we just got less than a minute here. You
Speaker 1: got any final words that you want to leave us with. Well,
Speaker 1: I did see a story in Bill you kind of
Speaker 1: alerted to me talking about Alden Smith, the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, he hadn't played in five years. He's been
Speaker 1: working out and he's been working out at Jay Glazier's
Speaker 1: performance training site in La and you mentioned to me
Speaker 1: he became he moved up from a two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two hundred and sixty five pound defensive end to
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty seven pounds. Well, it's not wasted weight.
Speaker 1: Jay Glazier was quoted as saying, the guy has become monstrous,
Speaker 1: he's become he's put on strength, he's put on muscle,
Speaker 1: and that they got some training exercise they do with
Speaker 1: pulleys against the wall, and he said, we've had all
Speaker 1: these big guys working on this one technique, this one exercise,
Speaker 1: and he said he's the only guy that's pulled the
Speaker 1: entire contraption off the wall because he's gotten so strong.
Speaker 1: So all maybe two hundred eighty seven as a past
Speaker 1: rushing defensive end won't be bad. All right. My assignment
Speaker 1: for you, Mickey is find out by next week if
Speaker 1: he's still an edge rusher or is he closer to
Speaker 1: a one technique. Okay, that'll be my workout, my workout
Speaker 1: and my assignment, right, all right, signment, all right. For
Speaker 1: Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. I'm Bill Jones, and we'll
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