WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Going Draft Heavy 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.560 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:18.439 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.640 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.320 Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:35.800 and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.080 of mix Shots here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.120 am Bill Jones with the Mick, and we've got Cobby 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.560 as well. We've got Everson Walls. It is the last 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.600 day of April. We are one week after the two 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:55.080 thousand and twenty NFL Draft, and it is day number fifty. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.440 I'm counting the days of this uh COVID pandemic, and 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.400 so fifty days into this. It was May eleventh when 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.960 this all started, when the sports world got shut down. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.440 But thank god, Mickey, we had the NFL Draft last 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.960 week and this is a new look Dallas Cowboys team. Yes, 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.399 absolutely is seven dude Draft choices in uh March eleventh. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.440 By the way, Billy March eleventh. I'm sorry, I always 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.800 get March in May mixed. You know what, you always 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.959 got to be scared that I lost track of the time. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.120 But you know what, Uh what a draft. It was 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.119 what a neat production the NFL pulled off with all 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:39.399 the teams. What a neat production the Cowboys pulled off 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.760 as a as an organization. And uh, you know, and 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.600 here we are finally get a chance to talk about 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.160 it five days later, but it's still fresh and everybody's 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:54.520 mind and uh, you know, Everson, I never dreamed that 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.920 the NFL could pull it off the way they did 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:04.000 so seamlessly. It seems, Hey, everybody's going virtual now, Spags. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.280 It was That's what I've been doing. You know, I've 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.799 been on the computer more now than I've ever been 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.480 in my entire life. And as an old dude like myself, 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.440 this is not anything I'm accustomed to. But I like 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.799 the way that the NFL made the adjustments. I love 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.960 the raw opportunity to look at the where the kids 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.520 came from and the interaction with the parents. You know, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.720 when we see them on the draft day, they're all 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.680 drafted up. Everybody's all looking nice and fancy restaurants and 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.160 things of that nature. Now it was just raw, dog, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.840 this is my house. My currents are a little stained 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.800 in the back. You know. We tried to cover up 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.560 some of the stuff with some other stuff, and you know, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.200 I thought that was just very cool. You saw, first 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.480 of all, how personal this this whole draft was, because 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.040 you heard a lot of very human interest stories that 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.240 just really kind of pulled at your heart string. And 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.320 that's been going on obviously, you know, for decades. But 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.720 it's good that they kind of dwelled on that a 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:13.000 little bit. And along those lines also the coaches and uh, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.160 team executives and so forth, seeing them in their own 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.400 homes from the commissioner in his own basement, which was 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.799 of course dressed up for television. But uh, in fact 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.080 I was talking with I did a little zoom interview 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.240 with Charlotte Jones Anderson yesterday and we were talking about 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.280 the telecast and you know, you had Cliff Kingsbury out 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.320 in his whatever he's living in out Arizona. Uh, you know, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.760 Bill Belichick with his dogs making the pick and U 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.520 and then Jerry on his yacht and as Charlotte, as 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.720 Charlotte put it, you know, it was it was someone 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.400 had told her that this and she so she admitted 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.240 she was stealing it from someone. But it was like 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.880 it was like everyone was sort of on brand with 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.440 what they are like in real life and being the 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.360 chief branding officer that Alice Cowboys. I thought that was 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.920 then appropriate way for Charlotte to put it. Well, you know, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.640 and and and it continues to happen, uh, you know, 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.600 the stay at home thing, the isolation thing, but it 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.480 always seems to bring us more together. Uh. And we 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.600 see a more personal view of people. Uh. And again 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.240 it happened in the draft and Bill, you're you're exactly right. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.920 It it put a face on the NFL. You know 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.880 everything when it's at a stage it's formal. The guys 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.800 walk out, they hugged the commissioner, they put on a 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.920 goofy hat. Uh and then you know it's like, okay, fine, 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.240 well this uh yeah, it just made it more real 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.320 and uh made people more real and the emotion more real. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.080 Uh So yeah, I thought it was great. And you 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.919 know it all worked too. We didn't really lose connection 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.800 or anything, uh fluffed up, didn't miss a draft pick. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.840 And you know, and you go through however many draft 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:02.120 choices they had, Uh, it seemed like that. It was remarkable. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.560 You know. Plus you saw how Rot Goodell has the 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.560 worst sense of humor. I think I've ever heard of 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.880 any commissioner. His jokes were bad, and he knew they 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.600 were bad, but I did like his timing. His timing 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.520 was good, but the jokes were just really bad. Can 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:26.320 we clear something up on CD Lamb's reaction, Mickey, because 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.080 because there was a lot of criticism out there that 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.200 when the announcement was made on television that CD didn't 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:36.600 really have a reaction, much of a reaction, we need 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.960 to point out that, See that was not when he 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:43.000 found out that he's a Dallas Cowboy, right right, I 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.839 mean he got the phone call prior to that. Yeah, absolutely, 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:51.600 And and again what he was mad that he got 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.320 drafted by the Dallas Cowboys? Are you serious? Now? He 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.120 may be a little disappointed that he lasted till the 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:03.200 seventeenth pick. They could understand that. And I saw that 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.000 in some of the other guys too. It's like, yeah, okay, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.279 I just got drafted. And it wasn't just by the Cowboys, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.360 it was other picks too that guys thought they would 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.760 go a lot sooner. So uh, yeah, it's hard to 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.520 hide your disappointment in how long you lasted the draft 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.599 when everything's live. But I was getting some texts from 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.000 friends saying, well, it doesn't look like he's excited me 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.320 in a Dallas cowboy, And so I explained to him 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.599 that what happens on this is the team makes the call, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.200 when they make the pick, they and they're making they're 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.839 sending the pick in Basically, they make the call, Jerry 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.320 gets on the phone with the player and they get 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.920 on and then it's it's several minutes passes by before 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.800 the announcement is made on television, and that's why his 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.680 friends and family are all poised to jump up and 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:52.440 they're all excited whenever the pick is announced on television, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.960 and the players will react different ways once they the 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.560 realization occurs where it's actually announced on television, but they 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:05.080 already understand that the team has already drafted him. Yeah, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:10.720 it's really what really went viral though, was between the phone. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.200 I know you guys, you know you gotta go there, 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.360 ain't God, I gotta go there, man, I got kids 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.480 here at the house. You know when I said kids 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.800 are thirty plus years old. But that's what they all noticed. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.120 Everybody went off on the The young lady tried to 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.560 tried to take the phone from him, and he on 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.000 a smooth I mean a real smooth tip. He just 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.400 kind of reached and grabbed that phone from like, no, no, no, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.560 you don't touch that phone. No, no, let me touching 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.520 the phone, right, yeah, don't message the bath phone. I thought. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.360 I just thought I was That was the funniest thing, 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.800 you know, the second funniest thing about the entire draft, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.240 that phone to her picking up the phone and then 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.760 the lady getting picked up off of her son. You know, 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.800 the girlfriend was hanging on the guy and the mother 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.120 comes over, picks up the girlfriend by under her armpits 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.440 and drags her away. I want to get in and 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.680 get this is my son. I'm gonna get a hug 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:14.200 at this Mary. That's the kind of stuff golden, golden 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.360 for the draft. I hope they do this every year 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.480 Reality TV. And it's fine. It is reality and you know, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.920 and see since that stuff happened when the camera was flashing, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.440 it happened, right. It's the old saying, like a tree 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.480 falls in the forest. Uh, you know, you know if 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:37.840 nobody and the same thing with CD, because that's up 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.240 to TV. TV's gotta be on him. When he got 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.480 the original phone call, like a bunch of the other 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:48.679 guys and they didn't have that shot good stuff. You 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.880 see those shots on the like the second day of 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.400 the draft, you get the uh, the actual phone call 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.200 reaction a lot of times. All right, let's talk about 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.400 CD to get things kicked off here. And how surprised 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.760 were you, Mickey, that CD was still there at seventeen. Yeah, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.760 I couldn't believe it. You know, as I was monitoring 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:12.880 the draft and they got past the pick twelve, and 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.520 I said to myself, oh my goodness, they're going to 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.760 be able to draft calevan Chase on and I put 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.040 a question mark on my sheet at number sixteen next 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.600 to Atlanta, and I said, if Atlanta doesn't screw this up, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.800 the Cowboys going to get their defensive end. And then 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.560 as it started getting closer, I'm going, oh my gosh, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.679 they might have a choice between two of them. And 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.800 you remember how we had been talking Bill and we'd say, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.040 you know, this is what they need, and this is 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.480 what they're going to get at seventeen. And I would 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.360 bring up, but what happens if by some miracle, they're 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.520 sitting there at seventeen and CD lambs on the board, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.199 you know, what do you do? And I think we 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.120 were all in agreement We'll take them, don't. He's got 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.559 to be the best player on the board at seventeen, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.160 no doubt about it, and that's the decision they made. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.040 It was like all the mock drafts that they did. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.960 Stephen talked about it. Will McClay talked about it. They 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.480 never had to go through a scenario where they had 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.520 to decide if CD was their choice at seventeen because 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.000 they thought it was so unreasonable, And when it happened, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.839 it was like, well, I got to follow the board. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.640 We got this guy number six on our draft board, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.280 the sixth best player in the draft. We gotta take them, 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.120 and boy, what a home run. They couldn't have asked 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.760 for anything more. I'm gonna ask you in a bit 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.120 why he lasted so long. But you know, the Cowboys 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.120 ended up doing what most teams do. You're gonna take 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.640 the best athlete available, and it just so happened. The 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.959 best athlete available is in a positions that we need. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:00.880 We just lost Coyle. We realized how CD is in 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.640 regards to where he lines up. He can run routes 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.960 from any position. I think this is gonna bode well 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:13.800 for obviously our offensive system, especially on third downs. Having 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.120 CD in there being able to go back and forth 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.640 with he and Cooper in the slot. That's something that 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.640 you know, we always criticized Daz about about not being 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.360 able to be more versatile by being in the slot. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.559 This guy kind of checks all of those boxes and 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.040 of course once he's once he gets the ball, he's 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.520 just a game breaker. So we talked about this a 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.040 long time ago, Spag. We always talked about the studs 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.319 that were available at wide receiver in this draft. We 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.280 talked about this months and months ago, and here it is. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.400 It comes into fruition that this is a guy. But 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.480 overall I might be jumping the gun, but overall I 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.000 thought this is a defensive draft for the Cowboys. So 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.760 everything just kind of worked out pretty well. You know. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.440 I thought Jerry Jones made a really good point when 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.439 he was summoned up the draft and he said, I 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.199 don't know what we did, what we wore, what we 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.079 where we were sitting, but we need to do it 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.800 again because things just fell for him, right. They didn't 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.520 force anything. It just kind of happened. Didn't happen to 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.719 make any hard decisions. Yeah, yeah, And a lot of 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.240 it had to do and you were gonna say, well, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.000 why was he there? Well, I think a lot of 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.760 teams ahead of him basically started drafting by Need and 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.720 the more offensive tackles you saw go off the board. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.280 You're sitting there going, oh my gosh, the Cowboys are 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.800 gonna get what they want. H and teams drafted for Need. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.880 And you know, as I said, we got to sixteen 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:46.360 in Atlanta took aj Tarrell, the Clemson cornerback. It was like, well, 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.880 all this just fell in their lap. They didn't have 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.560 to do anything. They didn't have to trade up, they 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.480 didn't have to get fancy. It was like, huh. You know. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.480 The funny thing was I got a question from somebody, well, 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.120 with the Michael Gallop and Amari Cooper, how are they 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.200 gonna use C. D. Lamb? And my answer was, they're 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.520 just gonna put them on the field. You know, we're 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.000 gonna worry about how we're gonna use them and get 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.280 him on the field. You know, just put the ball 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.200 in his hand. That's what we're gonna do with him. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.200 We're gonna put the ball in his hand. That's right, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.120 you know. And you look at the way things fell. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.680 There were really three receivers and I actually had four. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.920 I had to Jefferson from LSU up there, along with 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.000 Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy and CD Lamb. And I 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.440 think there's a lot of teams probably look at those 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.520 top three guys as you know, it's it's like do 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.320 you like chocolate ice cream, you like vanilla ice cream? Whatever? 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.160 I mean there, I can see how you might rank 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.480 them where Judy might be number one on some teams board. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.520 I personally like Lamb the best. I had Judy second 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.040 by a small margin. Ruggs and Jefferson were in that 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.480 same mix, but it kind of went by need. What 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.240 those teams ahead of them were looking at it wide 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.439 receiver and the Raiders wanted a speed guy, and so 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.360 they took Rugs and then Denver, it came down to 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.199 a choice between Judy or Lamb, and they just decided 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.520 to go with Judy instead of Lamb. But even before that, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.400 Arizona at number eight, they would have been in the 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.319 market for a receiver, but they had traded for DeAndre Hopkins, 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.640 so they went defense with Isaiah Simmons. So that pushes 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.600 another wide receiver down and it just so happened that 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.560 Cede Lamb was the guy that fell down to the 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.360 Cowboys at seventeen, and then you're right, and then Atlanta 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.920 they're sitting there. They've got two receivers and Julio Jones 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.960 and Ridley and so they and they needed a cornerback 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.360 and so they took aj Terrell instead. So it just 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.440 worked out for the Cowboys. But you can take it 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.080 round by around that one, you have to ask the 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.960 question like what if what if we would have taken Judy? 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.040 I don't think it would have mattered. I think both 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.240 guys a quality players. So it's one of those right 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.600 situations where it doesn't matter which one you pick. It 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.680 was all start to fall very well for the Cowboys, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.400 and it's just it's as if I don't know. Somebody 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.680 mustn't Jerry must ask somebody driving that yacht somewhere, because man, 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.800 he was just sailing along and doing everything that needs 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 to be done. And let's just be real, guys, the 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.560 hero of this entire draft, my boy Will Will did 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:24.080 a great job, very just a what do you call 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.480 just his temperament is just so calm and even, and 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.400 just to see him be as successful as he was, 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:36.480 just an even killed young man. I really enjoy the 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.440 way he stepped up this draft. We got Jerry looking good, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.080 but we know that Will did all the work. But 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.280 he wouldn't. He would not tell you that the Will 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.480 is ly really and hero at two things like that 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.840 Number one. Billy, Remember when I made the joke about 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.440 the dark board behind me that if I replaced the 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.480 numbers with the position and I blindfolded myself and through 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.360 a dark whatever position I hit, it would be good. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.600 The Cowboys need it. Well. If you can see up 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.160 there right now, it's on a it's the bull's eye 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.480 and it's CD Lamb's bio pinned to the board now 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.240 because they hit Cede Lamb. And as for Will McClay, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.600 I thought it was pretty neat. Uh. He did a 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.920 conference call two days ago. Two days ago, and when 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.160 he mentioned Uh, it was mentioned to him that Jerry 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.240 and Stephen called him the MVP of the draft. And 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:34.040 he went through this, this whole long dissertation of how ownership, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:39.320 the scouts, the coaches, the head coach all came together 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.760 very very well and did this whole thing. But he said, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.120 if I'm going to give an MVP award to this draft, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.000 it's my scouts because they did the Lake Ward. You know, 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.560 we didn't get a chance to do the thirty visits. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.440 We didn't get a chance to do Dallas Day, barely 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.760 got a chance to do any pro day. So all 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.800 their decisions had to be based on the leg work 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:06.320 that these guys did throughout the season and how they 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:11.840 inform the organization during these virtual meetings that they were having. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.640 And he said, without the scouts, we couldn't have done 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.800 what we did. So, yeah, hats off to Will, but 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.280 really hats off to him by giving that amount of 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.199 praise to the guys that work for him. All Right, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.200 we got to take a break here and when we 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.960 come back, we dive into the rest of the Dallas 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.520 Draft twenty twenty. 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Back on Fridays, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.399 Welcome back here to Mick Shot spill Jones with Mickey 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.320 Spagnola and Everson Walls as we break down this twenty 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.200 twenty Cowboys draft and Yes, cornerback heavy in the second 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.600 round and the fourth round with Reggie Robinson, the second 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.680 out of Cleburne, Texas and Tulsa University. And also the 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.080 Cowboys this week have signed a veteran cornerback, Darryl Whirley, 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:53.000 who started fifteen games for the Raiders last year, was 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.080 originally a third round draft pick in twenty sixteen of 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.439 the Carolina Panthers, who's been a starter throughout his career. 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.560 Make it very interesting, Mickey, the inventory they now have 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.400 at the cornerback position. Nothing better than competition on your team, right, 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.280 and there could be no slackers at the cornerback slash 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:18.000 safety position. And boy, when you see those highlights of Digs, 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.760 that's a big corner and I think that's what they've 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.399 been looking for. They want big press corners that can 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.840 get on the line of scrimmage and disrupt patterns right 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.359 from the start. And the fact that they were able 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.760 to get Digs where they did in the second round, 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.359 are you serious? Because they had him. There was a 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.480 consideration of taking him in the in the first round 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:47.040 actually until things fell the way they did. So to 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.560 get him with the nineteenth pick in the second round 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.840 absolutely amazing. And uh yeah, he's got some skills now again, 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.240 as Everson said about Ceedee Lamb, you know there's got 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.800 a berees and teams didn't take the guy. And you 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.240 know he doesn't have the greatest speed his catchup speed, 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.679 but you know what, if you don't have to catch up, 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.840 then you know you don't have to use that ketchup speed. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.760 So I just see with the guys you mentioned with 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.720 Reggie Robinson, the trade for darryl' worley, uh, and then 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:24.360 having a woozier Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis. Boy, that's 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.800 a pretty stout group there, and you're going to see 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.439 some competition. And I think one of the things when 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.639 we talk about these guys, and you guys can give 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:36.800 me your opinion on the guys they drafted, somebody's moving 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.720 to safety and they've got some guys with versatility to 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:44.400 be able to do that. And you know, Everson, after 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.080 you give us your kind of summation on what you 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.920 think of Digs and maybe Robinson, I want to ask 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:56.400 you about making that transition from cornerback to safety if 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.480 you hadn't played it before, well, I'll tell you what. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.600 You're right those fact one of those guys they are 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.159 going to safety. But what you saw with Diggs is 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:10.119 a guy who has such great technique. I love the 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.040 way he gets his hands on the wide receivers. I've 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.600 seen him be extremely aggressive, I mean pretty much causing 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.560 a fight at the line of scrimmage. That's the kind 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.280 of one on one you want to see the one 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.320 on one practices in the Cowboys practice field. Once we 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.480 start giving this season going and this whole COVID thing 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.480 goes by the wayside, you are going to see some 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.040 of the most intense one on one competitions that you've 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.399 ever seen in Cowboys camp. And that's the way it 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.520 should be because you've got bigger receivers in the league 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:43.760 these days. Cowboys may not necessarily be one of those 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.320 teams with the huge receivers, but everyone's concentrating on big 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.680 receivers these days, so you gotta have the big dbs. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:55.800 Great footwork by Diggs, great hand combat by Diggs. I 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.040 love his skills, his ball skills. When he gets down 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.320 the field, some of the interceptions that you see he makes, 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.320 he deciphers what the offense is trying to do. Now, 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.040 that's a nice luxury to have when you have the 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.920 defensive line and the rush that Alabama had. But at 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.600 the same time, he's able to work with his defense 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.280 and be able to really sniff out what the offense 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.239 is trying to do. And to me, that's just as 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.639 important as being able to play one on one. You 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.440 have to be a smart player and understand what the 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.720 offense is trying to do. When I look at Robinson, well, 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.520 I see a guy who you could tell that he 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:39.639 was a transformed safety from and going to corner. I 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:44.560 thought Robinson's footwork was a little slower. I guess he 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:48.080 would say smoother, which as a defensive back, that sounds 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:51.440 a little better. Brand. Eye coordination is still very good, 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:56.440 but you can see a little bit off now. To me, 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.720 that doesn't negate a good cornerback at all. If he 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.080 can work with his tools, you know, you're looking at 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.719 the guy run the fourth seven. So if you can 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:09.040 work with your tools, that's great. But I think Robinson, 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.440 if all the cornerbacks that they draft that they signed, 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:16.360 that Robinson may be the one that looks more more 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.600 apt to go to safety. He's really rangey, and he's 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.800 got good anticipation and you can judge that ball very 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.239 well when it's in the air. So we're looking at 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.159 turnover cornerbacks. Okay, we're looking at guys that look for 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.240 the ball. They're looking for fumbles, they're looking for loose balls, 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.480 and they can go up and get interceptions. So hopefully 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.320 this this whole drought about the Cowboys secondary and not 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.560 getting interceptions, I'm hoping this craft is over because I 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.639 can't take it. Guys, I'm just letting you know. I 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.800 can't take it. Not another year of this, I can so. Bill, 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:53.760 what did the big Green notebook cav on these corners? Well, 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.600 let me tell you about Reggie Robinson the second and 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.800 in fact, you talk about picks. He had four picks 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:03.080 for Tulsa last year there, and Diggs had three for Alabama. 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:08.040 But I talked with Reggie's dad this week, Reginald Robinson, who, 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.680 by the way, as a Grambling man just like our 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.480 Everson Walls. He played at Grambling. I think he gradual. 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.280 He say graduated ninety four, ninety five, I think. But 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.120 but he said that he told Reggie four or five 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:26.760 years ago when he started at Tulsa that Byron Jones 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.679 is the guy he could be. Like. Okay, and when 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.680 you look at Reggie's numbers, like at the combine. Well, 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.440 his dad told me that before he put on fifteen 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.200 pounds here in the last couple of years, he was 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.479 running a four to three. Okay, he ran a four 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.920 to four four at the combine. The eleven foot broad jump, 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.119 it's not twelve foot like Byron Jones, but no one 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.040 has a twelve foot broad jump like Byron Jones. The 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:55.200 twenty two bench reps, Wow, I mean that's something um 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:04.560 for a cornerback, safety, whatever game. It's exactly, yeah, exactly 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.800 and so but you think about Byron Jones. He at Yukon, 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.760 he played both corner and safety, and I agree that 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.200 that he's probably the most likely candidate to get reps 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.840 at corner. But I'll throw in Darryl Whorley in there 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.159 as well. All three of these guys are in that 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.399 six one, two o five vicinity. Whorley that he's now 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.399 listed I think at two fifteen. But I looked at 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.919 some of Darryl Worley last night in their game against 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.199 Kansas City last year with Travis Kelsey at tight end. 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.880 Of course for Kenny Sea, they got killed in the game, obviously, 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:41.080 but Worley was playing outside at right cornerback, matched up 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.280 against Tyreek Hill a lot in that game, but he 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.439 was playing in the nickel a lot of times. They 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:49.800 matched him up one on one with Kelsey and he 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.399 had a real good game against Kelsey. And he played 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.040 some deep safety as well for the Raiders in one 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.399 of their sub packages, so he's got some ability to 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.120 play the same position. Also, you know, Bill, be clear, 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.159 guys before we go on spat, excuse me, you are 0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.080 not just looking at these guys for being maybe starters 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.879 or contributors defensively. You're looking at some good special teams 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.640 prospects as well. And the Cowboys really fell off as 0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:20.000 for special teams last year, so you could see that 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.280 as they're picking these these studs here at defensive back, 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.080 wide receiver, I think they're also looking at them to 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.840 contribute all over the field, not just in the defensive 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.680 part of the game. Well, and and Everson, good point 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:37.400 on Reggie Robinson because he did play special teams at Tulsa. 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.560 A matter of fact, he basically said he had been 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.280 on all of them. Whatever special team there was, he 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.440 was on it. Uh. And I think if I remember correctly, 0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:51.760 Billy finished his career with four block kicks at Tulsa. 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:56.640 So yeah, special teams important a key thing on unworthy. UH. 0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.800 And I was talking to Will McClay about it. You know. 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.640 He he did move inside and took took on the 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.800 tight ends at times. Uh. And towards the end of 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:11.800 the season this past year, UH, they the Raiders had 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:18.000 problems at safety with injuries, and then they released Dj Swearingen, 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.840 and the last couple of games he made the transition 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.400 to safety. And he started at safety. Uh. And and 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.680 I saw an article he was talking about, uh playing cornerback, 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:33.840 and and he thought that, you know, playing quarterback cornerback 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.720 and preparing for games is difficult because now you got 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.000 to you got all these things you gotta worry about. 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:42.720 He goes, but he felt like the transition to play 0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.080 in safety was a lot easier to be able to 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.120 pull off. And I was gonna ask Everson, because you 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.760 had to do it, did you ever play safety before 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:55.360 you went to the Giants? Yeah? I played safety in 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.480 high school. I was cornerback until I got to Grambling. 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:00.920 I was just trying to give a spott Grambling. They 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.600 have me at safety my freshman year at Grambling as well. 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:05.920 But when it came down to it, if you're gonna 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.480 make the team at Grambling, you gotta keep up with 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.280 these jack rabbit wide receivers that I had to deal with. 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.960 So I was forced to play cornerback because finally I 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.400 got good at it from just going one on one 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:23.240 every day. So yeah, going from that immediate confrontation face 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.240 to face, you're sometimes you're breathing right in each other's 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.000 faces and having to deal with the chaos, the quickness, 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.680 having your back to the ball, all of those things 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.680 can be very stressful as a cornerback. But as you 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:41.000 moved back away from that and going to safety, then 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.680 all of a sudden, there's no immediate threat. You have 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.280 a chance to survey the situation. Sometimes you can really 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:52.280 decipher what's going on offensively. So yes, playing safety is 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.200 very good as long as you don't have to hit somebody. 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.160 So that was my problem when I went to safety 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.880 with the Giants. That's when all my injuries start to 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.520 pile up. So yes, going the safety is easier mentally, 0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.800 but physically that's a whole nother issue, you know, And 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.560 I think the other thing we need to point out, 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.360 Bill is the fact that you know, they like Xavier 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.440 Woods at free safety. You know, I think there was 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.600 this idea that boy they had to draft a safety. 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.400 They got to get better at safety. But they like 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.640 Woods and then they did, you know, a one year 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.240 deal for Haja Clinton Dicks. So to me, he's sort 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.960 of a bridge for these other guys possibly moving back 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:38.160 there and providing some depth and they needed. They did 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:43.000 lose a Cavon Frazier yesterday in free agency, and obviously 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:47.080 they weren't in a hurry to resign him. So again, 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.440 when we're talking about moving these guys, I think everybody 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.160 thinks you're moving them and you're gonna start them right. Well, 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.880 you know, they paid Dicks three and a half million 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.920 a year for this this coming year, and I as 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.120 soon they brought autom in with the idea of starting him. 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.040 Now there's going to be competition, and you know that 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.000 doesn't automatically go to those guys, but they do have 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:13.080 those two guys there, so whatever they're moving there, you know, 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.920 it could be more for a depth situation than anything else. 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.560 And then you know, let's not forget Donovan Wilson. He 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.760 had a pretty good training camp and then just didn't 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.440 get many opportunities once the season began. But they really 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.120 liked him and liked his ability to play special teams too. 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.920 So from a safety standpoint, even though they didn't draft somebody, 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.840 it looks like they're in pretty good shape with guys 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.800 being very versatile, able to do different things. You know 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.640 a lot of people we focus on this year, but 0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.080 why they had such a need at the cornerback position, 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.960 and it's safety for that matter, it is because you 0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:53.959 got so many players are going into the last year 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.040 of their contract, so many starters going into the last 0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.400 year of your contract. Let me ask you this, Everson, 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.240 what do you think, right? You got Whirley who started 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.720 fifteen games last year for the Raiders. You got Trayvon Diggs, 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.720 the second round pick, who was a wide receiver, mind you, 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.880 as freshman year at Alabama and has two years of 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.560 starting experience in college at a very high level at Alabama, 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.840 but just still just two years of experience at cornerback. 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.080 And then you got the starters coming back in Cheeta 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.720 A Woozier. You got Jordan Lewis, you got Anthony Brown 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.160 at safety. You've got Xavier year Woods, you got Haha 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.160 Clinton Dix. My question is if they were to trot 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.960 out there here in a couple of weeks with OTAs 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:41.360 who is your starting cornerbacks on this team? If I 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.600 would if I were to pick the start the cornerbacks, 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.120 I would have to go with the Woozier. I'd have 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.800 to go with Dicks and then including the Nickel in there. Also, 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.040 if I'm going to include Nickel, then yes, I would 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.200 go with the experience. I'll probably go with Brown in 0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:01.920 the slot and Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis, that's a tough one. 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.400 The only thing about Jordan man what great experience in 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:09.000 the slot, but maybe so small. I think if you're 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.759 gonna look at the experience he has, that's one thing. 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.759 But if I'm gonna go with the intimidation aspect of it, 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:21.680 I want more physical cornerbacks out there, physical cornerbacks and safeties. 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.320 And if you're gonna talk about the safeties, and I 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.200 know you didn't ask me, but if I'm gonna tell 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.920 you anyway, I'm looking at how hot Clinton Dix is 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.920 moving closer to the line of scrimmage, I really am. 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.799 I'm looking at him being what Woods was for us 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.880 last year. When you have that kind of experience in 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.879 that position, you have a chance to make a lot 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:47.480 of plays. Especially making for plays that are behind the 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.719 line of scrimmage. You're also looking at trying those those 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:57.200 situations where a why a cornerback or a safety can 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.759 really be important on third down. I just from where 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.480 they're going against the slot. I'm looking at cornerback being 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.000 on the slot. But when you have a veteran safety, 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.640 he can be filled in in so many places. Yes, 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.640 he could play the tidings if he wanted to. He 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.439 could play free safety if he wanted to. You're looking 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.800 at a secondary right now that could be extremely physical, 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:23.759 but also extremely smart, extremely ball conscious. And that's what 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:25.840 I'm hoping they were going far when they win the draft. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.440 And you know, Bill, you mentioned, you know, talking about 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.400 three starting corners. I think what they've done here is 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:37.640 they've strengthened their nickel defense and given them a more 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:42.719 opportunity to be better playing dying with slot. Of these 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.560 guys that can play in the slot along with the 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.960 guys that can play outside. So I think that improves 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.840 your path defense. And you know, as they were talking 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:57.240 in post draft press conference, Will talking about the guys 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:01.279 they saw the defensive lineman they brought in, he said, 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.560 you know this, this is no longer. You know, an 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.719 NFL that's three yards in a cloud of dust. You 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.600 gotta be able to be athletic. You gotta be able 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.600 to get to the quarterback. And because of the passing game, 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.360 you know, you got to have three starting corners, and 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.280 if you can put four guys out there, including the safeties, 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.239 to play in the slot the way the Cowboys did 0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.719 back in the nineties when they had Darren Woodson, a 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.279 safety playing in the slot. And I'm not saying these 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:32.160 guys are Darren Woodson, but the ability to put a 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.840 big guy in there that not only can cover, but 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.759 can stop the run. You can say, Okay, I'll go 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.719 dime here because it's almost like I got another linebacker 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:45.239 in the slot. Me another point of what Belichick did 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.719 with us when we were in New York. He brought 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.640 me in. Even though I came in and started a corner. 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.399 You had three big corners there because I took Perry 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.000 Williams spot. But when he came to third down, Perry 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.680 comes in and plays his regular corner spot. Then I 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.400 went into the slot. So you that diversity that you have, 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.759 you know, that can do a lot for you when 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.600 it comes down the stretch. Plus, we have a lot 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.960 of depth in the secondary right now, so if we 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.520 have any type of injuries or something like that, you've 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.800 got some guys that can just step in right away 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.520 and be able to play ball. These young kids nowadays, 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.160 they're ready to play now. They're ready to play now. 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:24.600 This is not one of those things where you've got 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.880 some guys coming from some small school, you know, and 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.520 he might make it or he might not if somebody 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:33.560 drops off. No, a guy like Diggs, he's ready now 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.800 for NFL. He's ready right now for the start of 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.400 the season. A guy like to me, a guy like Robinson, 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.840 he's ready right now for the start of the season. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.600 I don't care where he played in college. This guy's 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.759 a stud and he is one guy that can make 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.319 an impact for the Cowboys as well as long as 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.160 this training camps good and he's able to make some plays. 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.320 He has just as much potential as Digs does to 0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:59.160 make some plays on his team. And on one other point, 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.319 that one other point to factor in this year though, 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:07.680 since they are not having workouts at the facility this offseason, 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.120 and this is I think one of the beauties of 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:13.640 this Worly signing. Who who started fifteen games last year 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:16.919 for the Raiders. 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All right, let's talk 0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.640 about more about this draft. Let's get deeper into it, 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.319 And how about let's let's fast forward to what they 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:02.680 did trading up to the late fourth round to take 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:08.360 a center from Wisconsin. Tyler Biadas is a Dallas Cowboy 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.719 and he was the Remington Award winner last year. I 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.680 thought that was a shrewd move giving up a fifth 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:30.279 round pick next year, Okay, lust Lust By hearing there 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.360 for minutes, I think Bill was talking about the center 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:39.279 beads and uh boy, yeah, right there you go going 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.920 into this draft when everybody was giving their needs, and 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.759 I kept saying, well, what about center? Uh? And when 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.880 you looked at the center position, the guys that are 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.280 on the roster right now. And I understand Joe Looney 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.560 did a nice job starting for Travis Frederick in twenty 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.480 eighteen when he missed the entire season, but he's kind 0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.560 of a guard center, okay, and he's a really nice backup. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.240 But and then there was all this talk about moving 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.600 this guy to center and that guy to center, and 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.400 Adam Redman coming back. And I kind of looked at 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.359 it and I said, Okay, fine, did any of these 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.760 guys were talking about being the Cowboys starting center actually 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:22.120 start a game at center? Last year? And the answer 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.520 was no, So to me, they needed to go out 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.279 and draft a center, somebody who played center last year. 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.680 And they found the guy that was the Remington Award 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:37.000 winner at Wisconsin. And okay, I know three centers went 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.080 ahead of him, but they had a high grade on Tyler, 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.919 and I think that was a wonderful move to give 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:48.520 up a fifth in twenty twenty one to move up 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.760 into the bottom of the fourth round and get a center. 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.840 And by the way, that fifth is not going to 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:58.360 mean anything because the amount of guys they lost in 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.920 free agency, they're gonna make it up with compensatory picks. 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:05.319 And I saw one story last the other day that's 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.680 already projecting who's gonna get compensatory picks by what they lost, 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:13.479 and they had the Cowboys projected to get a third, fourth, fifth, 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:17.400 and a sixth, so that that fifth doesn't mean anything. 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:19.799 But to have a guy that played center last year 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.160 on your team, and especially if there's no offseason for 0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.680 these guys to make a transition from playing guard like 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.880 Connor mcgovernn or Connor Williams to center, or Adam Redman 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:35.560 who spent the whole season on ir to have a 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:39.920 guy that actually did it, I think is huge to me. 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:43.920 It's kind of like taking up a safety and saying, hey, 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.400 you go play corner. You know, we realized that the 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.360 how shorthanded he might be in a lot of different 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.000 situations because that's just not his true position. When you're 0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:58.080 playing center, I mean, obviously it's it's it's simply selanatory. 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:02.200 Your position is the s two of everything that's going 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.839 on on the field offensively, and so that center has 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.480 to be extremely intelligent. He has to know the system 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:10.920 back and forth, and it has to be something that 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:16.480 he's been instinctly doing for at least four years. It's 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:18.200 a lot of new houses that go with being a 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.400 center that a guard or a tackle or a backup 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:24.319 may not be able to take care of. But when 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.440 you have a true center there, then it's just a 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:31.400 seamless transition from going from college to pros. I truly 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:35.960 believe that, you know. And the thing on Beata is 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.759 he played at a very high level at Wisconsin, which 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:44.760 of course has produced so many NFL offensive linemen. Really, Saysaruz, 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.319 the center from Michigan would probably be the guy that's 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.600 ranked number one on most everybody's board. He was a 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.720 parade all American five star guy coming out of high school. 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.320 But Beatas was right there with the other centers that 0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.080 went ahead of him in the draft, Lloydbury from LSU, 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.840 Matt Hennessy from Temple. The knock on Beata's was the 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.399 medical because he had a hip surgery a year ago. 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.400 He had a shoulder surgery this year. Obviously, the Cowboys 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:15.840 doctors passed him. They felt good about him. Otherwise they 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.560 would not have given up, even though the price is 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.680 not that high, as Mickey mentioned, with the fifth rounder 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.360 next year, with so many compensatory picks coming, but for that, 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.480 they wouldn't have traded up to try to get him 0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.359 if they didn't clear him medically. And so I think 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:32.920 they feel good about it. And I think he's got 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.320 a good shot of coming in here if he's healthy. 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.480 Because of all the reasons Mickey sits right there, his 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.759 experience at center to be able to start as a 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:45.560 rookie in this league. How about Neville Gallimore the third 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:49.560 round pick, Robert and I the fifth round pick. They 0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:53.480 improved the defensive line there. Well, Bill Gallimore is your guy, right. 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.600 I like Gallimore and especially where they drafted him with 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.880 the eighty second pick yeah, absolutely, and it seems like 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:07.759 a very athletic guy on your defensive line. Uh. They 0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:12.040 like the fact that he's got very good lateral pursuit. Uh. 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.839 And and he's a guy that's he's on the come. Uh. 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.920 You know, he played football raised in Canada and they 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.319 got to college here and uh, so this guy's got 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.920 a lot of room to improve. And there's an example 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:30.160 of his lateral pursuit. Uh. And he's got a great motor. 0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:35.440 So uh to combine him here with McCoy uh and 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:39.239 you know, and we'll see where Tristan Hill lines up. 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:44.799 But they've got that spot now, I think, uh solidified 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.360 to the point where if they need to at defensive 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.080 end and you need a big defensive end on the 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:55.799 right side, and Tyrone Crawford's your guy with experience over there, 0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:00.160 and I'm told he's ready to go. Uh he's his 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:04.000 rehab is going greatly after the two hip surgeries, So 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:09.520 that even fortifies that spot, not knowing if you're gonna 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.200 get Alden Smith or Randy Gregory on the field. So 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.359 I liked the pick of Gallimore and he was another guy, 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.920 by the way, Everson that they considered in the second 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:21.120 round and saying, Okay, maybe we can get the corner 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:22.960 in the third, and then they decided to do it 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.719 the way they did, and then Gallimore was still there. 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:28.880 You know what, I what I what really stood out 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:31.600 for me with Gallimore was a fourth of your dash 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.920 four seven nine four seven nine. Yes, I read the 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.120 four seven four and I was one hundred and ninety 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:40.560 pounds at the time, and I'm thinking to myself, what 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.359 if this big guy was chasing me and he had 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:46.680 an angle, I'd be dead. So I liked the signing. 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.560 I like the athleticism that they were going after. Uh. 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:53.880 It wasn't just to speed. His maneuverability was very impressive, 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:58.279 extremely active inside. This guy is amazing the way he 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.600 makes the play. But what I did see, and I 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.000 know Bill's gonna cringe a little bit, that offense, that 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:08.040 Oklahoma or defensive line just really fell off a little 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.760 bit at the end of the season. And I'm wondering 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:15.080 if his inconsistency had anything to do with that, because 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.760 I would imagine if he would have been more consistent, 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.440 that maybe that entire defensive line would have been more consistent. 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.759 But I say, with the tools that he has, we 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:27.239 can make this guy be something that he may not 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:30.880 have been in college. He could maybe be more consistent, 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:33.279 maybe if you just teach him a couple of things 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:36.719 here and there, because he's highly skillful at what he does, 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:39.759 and that's something that I think we need inside and 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:43.200 that kind of speed chasing people down the line, we 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:45.440 could use that because, trust me, it was a lot 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.560 of people going down the line last year and missing 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:52.200 every running back that came through, especially after Thanksgiving. So yeah, 0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:54.839 we're looking at trying to shore that up. A little 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.719 bit light in the butt though, guys at three oh four, 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:02.839 I think he was. That's I'm a small for an 0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.320 inside guy, but I guess that's why he's got some 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:09.160 speaking of maneuverability, you know, I'd also like the fact 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:13.840 that he comes in with Gerald McCoy similar backgrounds and 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.960 being in Oklahoma where McCoy can be sort of a 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.560 mentor to him as well. What about Robert to Night. 0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.320 You talk about the contrast, you talk about Gallimore and 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.319 his four seven nine forty, Well, here's Robert and Night 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.680 and the reason I assume the main reason that he 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:30.239 fell to the fifth round was the fact that he 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.880 ran a four nine one at the combine and his 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.680 other measurables were not great either, a seven four four 0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:38.279 cone drill and a four four three shuttle. You know, 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:40.760 what I saw on him, Bill, is that he actually 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:44.920 had a pro day at Utah and improved that forty 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:48.759 to four seven nine. So I think I don't know 0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.640 if anybody looked at that. The other thing that was 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.359 pointed out about him, and Will McClay had a really 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:58.279 good scouting report on him. He said, he said, some 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:03.279 guys don't time fast, but they play fast, And he said, 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:06.320 if you look at this guy's tape, he plays fast. 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:10.160 He plays fast because he's got desire, and he plays 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:16.000 fast because he's got football instincts. So again, that forty 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:18.960 time didn't bother the Cowboys maybe as much as it 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.400 bothered other guys. Hey, this guy was an All American. 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:26.040 He set the record at u TAK for sacks, so 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.279 he did something on the field. So again, you know, 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.440 ever since when we were talking about this virtual stuff, 0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:37.239 maybe sometimes all the measurements and the testing kind of 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.359 went out the door and you had to rely more 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.560 on tape. And this guy I saw he and I 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:44.800 never heard of this award, but it was he was 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:49.600 awarded them. Morris Trophy and it was for the best 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:54.160 defensive lineman voted on by offensive lineman. And this guy 0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.400 that's good stuff. Yes so. And the other thing I 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:01.640 like about him is that in junior high, now he 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:08.000 was raised in Hawaii, uh lei, uh Hawaii and uh 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:12.360 he learned in junior high to cliff dive. And he 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.279 says he can do a double back flip off a 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:19.040 fifty foot cliff at two hundred and sixty pounds. So 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.839 maybe that'd be another way to get to the quarterback, right, 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:25.600 it's gonna flip up. There should be that should be 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:28.400 part of the combine. See how many people can do that? 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.600 That's what That's what I like about this guy. And 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.400 see when we went after on that in the two 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:39.239 draft picks. Energy, high energy. These guys a possessed in 0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:44.200 every game. Their motors will never stop running. And that's good. 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.760 That's a good thing for the Cowboys because Mike Nolan 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:51.560 loves to an athletic defensive line. He's gonna be coming 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:56.160 with a lot of blitzes. So this defense, if nothing else, 0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.480 it won't be boring. We're gonna we're gonna be a 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:03.360 make a great defense no matter what happens. And hopefully 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.320 we can be more make than break. All right, Mickey, 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.640 think we just got less than a minute here. You 0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.520 got any final words that you want to leave us with. Well, 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.759 I did see a story in Bill you kind of 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:18.759 alerted to me talking about Alden Smith, the fact that 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.319 you know, he hadn't played in five years. He's been 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:25.400 working out and he's been working out at Jay Glazier's 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:30.719 performance training site in La and you mentioned to me 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:34.200 he became he moved up from a two hundred and 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:38.000 sixty two hundred and sixty five pound defensive end to 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:43.120 two hundred and eighty seven pounds. Well, it's not wasted weight. 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:47.880 Jay Glazier was quoted as saying, the guy has become monstrous, 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:53.080 he's become he's put on strength, he's put on muscle, 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:58.320 and that they got some training exercise they do with 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.960 pulleys against the wall, and he said, we've had all 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:07.279 these big guys working on this one technique, this one exercise, 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.440 and he said he's the only guy that's pulled the 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:14.880 entire contraption off the wall because he's gotten so strong. 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.319 So all maybe two hundred eighty seven as a past 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:22.920 rushing defensive end won't be bad. All right. My assignment 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.279 for you, Mickey is find out by next week if 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:29.279 he's still an edge rusher or is he closer to 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:34.120 a one technique. Okay, that'll be my workout, my workout 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:37.680 and my assignment, right, all right, signment, all right. For 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:42.080 Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola. I'm Bill Jones, and we'll 0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:45.280 see you again next week at eleven o'clock Central Time 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:49.800 for Mick Shots. This has been a production of Dallas 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:52.960 Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.