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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

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Speaker 2: Now on the Cross, Our Savior said, Father, forgive them.

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Speaker 3: For they not know what they do.

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Speaker 4: That man, that young man, I forgive him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I could do it.

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Speaker 5: But Erica Kirk, you know that I wrestle as a

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Speaker 5: person of faith. I wrestle with this whole idea of forgiveness.

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Speaker 5: But I thought that she was I thought that she

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Speaker 5: was really someone who rose to the occasion under enormous

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Speaker 5: emotional stress and said a lot of very valuable things.

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Speaker 6: Charlie was a great guy, and he was, of course

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Speaker 6: a very influential person in the conservative movement, in the

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Speaker 6: MAGA movement. He was so helpful to the president during

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Speaker 6: the campaign and to all of us who worked on

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Speaker 6: that campaign, that historic campaign. I myself had many great

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Speaker 6: memories going on Charlie's amazing podcast.

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Speaker 3: And his show.

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Speaker 6: He was always willing to text people with words of encouragement.

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Speaker 6: In fact, my last text exchange was with him was

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Speaker 6: the day before he died, and he was asking for

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Speaker 6: my husband and I's address to send a children's book

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Speaker 6: to our son. And I think that just speaks to

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Speaker 6: the type of person that he was.

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Speaker 7: And I know so many of us here at the

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Speaker 7: White House. We're going to miss him very much.

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Speaker 8: We were beefing, we were going at it online on air,

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Speaker 8: and then after he died, he was murdered, My team

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Speaker 8: called him event. He was trying to reach you man.

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Speaker 8: What and what was he doing? Dialogue? Let's be gentlemen together,

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Speaker 8: he says, let's disagree agreeably. So I'm sitting on this

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Speaker 8: and I'm watching the whole country talk about civil war,

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Speaker 8: censorship justifying murder about this guy. This guy is reaching

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Speaker 8: out to his mortal enemy, saying we need to be gentlemen,

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Speaker 8: sit down.

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Speaker 9: Together and disagree agreeably. And the next day he's killed.

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Speaker 8: And I've sat on it long enough, and I just said,

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Speaker 8: you know what, We're going to Memorial.

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Speaker 1: Weekend for this man.

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Speaker 9: We disagree.

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Speaker 8: Everybody knows we were not friends at all. But you

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Speaker 8: praise the good. Wouldn't sound moralize somebody and what he

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Speaker 8: did and I didn't even know.

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Speaker 1: It was good. He was not for violence.

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Speaker 8: He was for dialogue, open debate, and dialogue even with me,

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Speaker 8: Even with me.

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Speaker 10: His most public accomplishments were political, is most important were religious.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to be remembered for his faith.

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Speaker 10: He wanted to help as many souls to heaven as

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Speaker 10: he could. If you want to honor Charlie, go to church,

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Speaker 10: read the Bible, pray, and do it right now.

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Speaker 3: Jesus called this the Sultan Light.

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Speaker 1: What is salt and light have in common?

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Speaker 11: They change the environments they come in contact with. They

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Speaker 11: don't conform, they don't affirm, They transform what they come

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Speaker 11: in contact with. My question for you, are you transforming

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Speaker 11: the environment you come in contact with, your place of work?

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Speaker 11: Are you transforming your family? Are you trying to lift

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Speaker 11: people up? Are you trying to reject evil? Says in

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Speaker 11: the Psalms SA I'm ninety seven ten, What do you

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Speaker 11: want to be caught doing upon Jesus's return? Do not

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Speaker 11: allow eschatology to be an excuse for you not to

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Speaker 11: fight evil. Do not allow the signs of the times

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Speaker 11: for you to be paralyzed static, to not engage.

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Speaker 1: In the culture.

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Speaker 11: We must challenge people to be greater, to reach higher,

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Speaker 11: to be biblical, to be christ Like. And I'm telling

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Speaker 11: you this generation cannot just be the most conservative generation

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Speaker 11: for the most Christian generation. As we continue to be

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Speaker 11: sult and light in every single walk of our life.

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Speaker 12: If everything completely goes away. How do you want to

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Speaker 12: be remembered me? If I die, everything just goes away.

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Speaker 12: How would you if you could be associated with one thing,

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Speaker 12: how would you want to be.

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Speaker 11: Remembered to be I want to be remembered for courage

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Speaker 11: from my faith.

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Speaker 1: That would be the most important thing. The most important

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Speaker 1: thing is my faith.

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Speaker 13: Golly Sarley, Sarley, Sarley, Sarley, Sarley, Scharly, Scary Charley.

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Speaker 14: Every day there's a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 14: coming from every angle. With the will to the sieve

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Speaker 14: fear not, you found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 14: of a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 14: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 14: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot.

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Speaker 15: Here we go a lot.

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Speaker 16: Everybody, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I mean is

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Speaker 16: Andrew Colvett, the executive producer of this show. And I

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Speaker 16: am joined by a dear friend of Charlie's and I

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Speaker 16: just tweeted this and it couldn't be more true. Ali,

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Speaker 16: Beth Stuckey, you were genuinely in a very very small

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Speaker 16: group of people where throughout all the years of working

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Speaker 16: with Charlie. If your name came up, he would just

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Speaker 16: instantly say, she's the best love Alli. You truly did

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Speaker 16: earn Charlie's respect, and I think it's because of your faith,

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Speaker 16: because you are so such a stalwart for defending it,

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Speaker 16: for defending traditional values, for saying hard truths, and so

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Speaker 16: it's a real honor to have you here. And I

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Speaker 16: saw you on Sunday, you were at the memorials, you

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Speaker 16: went home, and then you came back. So yes, it's

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Speaker 16: really really amazing of you.

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Speaker 17: To do that.

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Speaker 13: It's such an honor to be here. And I've seen

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Speaker 13: a lot of people say my friends and people online say, Okay,

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Speaker 13: I knew that Charlie was a Christian, but I didn't

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Speaker 13: know how much he talked about christ. I didn't know

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Speaker 13: how much he shared the gospel. I didn't know how

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Speaker 13: much he cared about theology. And it was just really

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Speaker 13: sweet to be able to say I did like I

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Speaker 13: did know that I saw that up close. We went

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Speaker 13: not only to a couple campuses together, but to churches together.

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Speaker 13: Every time we talk, it would every time we talked,

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Speaker 13: it would be about theology. It would be about weak pastors,

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Speaker 13: what the church needs to do, and like, I did

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Speaker 13: see that. I got to see it up close and personal,

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Speaker 13: how much he cared about contending for the faith, and

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Speaker 13: it really was a privilege.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Well, and you are sort of the perfect person to

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Speaker 16: have on because so many people are talking about this memorial. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: they saw the leaders of the free world talking about Jesus.

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Speaker 16: They saw Don Junior talking about Jesus. I know, which,

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Speaker 16: by the way, we were backstage and we were all

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Speaker 16: kind of ribving and we're like, Don, did you just

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Speaker 16: did you just preach the gospel?

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Speaker 9: Don Junior little bit? And he a little bit, and.

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Speaker 16: You could see that he has been changed by this

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Speaker 16: and realizes the importance of it in a whole new way.

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Speaker 9: I mean, Don was incredibly close to Charlie.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: So I mean the question is, you know, how big

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Speaker 16: and how deep and how wide can this revival go?

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Speaker 16: Because I do believe that we are in revival times. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: And the question is what happens next?

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Speaker 13: Something that my audience has heard me say a lot,

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Speaker 13: and I love to start out the week reminding people

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Speaker 13: of this that God's eternal plan of redemption is always

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Speaker 13: going off without a hitch, that He's never looking down

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Speaker 13: wondering what's happening. He's never confused, he's never thrown off,

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Speaker 13: he's never taken aback, he's never surprised. He's not distant,

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Speaker 13: he's not busy. But he is suspended in the eternal now.

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Speaker 13: So God is not within the context of linear time

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Speaker 13: like we are. So God is using actively all things

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Speaker 13: throughout eternity for the good of those who love him

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Speaker 13: and for his own glory. And clearly God had a

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Speaker 13: plan far before Charlie was tragically assassinated. He was already

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Speaker 13: working out all things for the good of those who

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Speaker 13: love him. In fact, they think about the story of Joseph,

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Speaker 13: whose brothers were driven to jealousy and threw him in

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Speaker 13: a pit and sold him into slavery, and then there

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Speaker 13: was a caravan coming from Egypt, and the brothers sold

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Speaker 13: Joseph into slavery. And then of course Joseph goes on

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Speaker 13: to be a ruler of Egypt because of his faithfulness.

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Speaker 13: He ends up helping save his own people, his own family,

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Speaker 13: from famine because of that position of power. But you think,

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Speaker 13: before Joseph was thrown into the pit, before he was

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Speaker 13: sold into slavery, that caravan going to Egypt was already

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Speaker 13: on its way, like God already had the plan before that.

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Speaker 13: And obviously I hate that the assassination of our friend

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Speaker 13: was any kind of impetus for anything. I would have

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Speaker 13: loved revival without that. And yet what we read about

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Speaker 13: God is that he stops at nothing to bring glory

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Speaker 13: to himself and to bring his sheep to himself. And

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Speaker 13: we were talking off air, is this a revival? I've

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Speaker 13: never said in my life, yes, I think so. But

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Speaker 13: I do think so. Time will tell. We can talk

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Speaker 13: about the fruits of a true revival. But I see

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Speaker 13: it and I feel it. I felt it at the memorial.

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Speaker 13: The Holy Spirit was there. I felt it, man.

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Speaker 16: I think it was Tucker Carlson of all people. I

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Speaker 16: saw him backstage and I was like, what are you

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Speaker 9: And he goes, I'm going to talk about Jesus repentance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: And I was like, you're going to talk about Jesus.

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Speaker 16: He's like, oh yeah, baby, He's like it came to

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Speaker 16: me in the shower and I was like, okay, great.

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Speaker 16: And he gets up on stage He's like, you can

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Speaker 16: And that was so spot on because as soon as

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Speaker 16: on my arm stood up and I got the chills. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: And I walked in as a worship song was playing

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Speaker 16: and every hand was like raised in the air. Seventy

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Speaker 16: thousand people, there was two hundred and seventy seven thousand

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Speaker 16: devices that our team GEO tracked in the vicinity. That

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Speaker 16: and all of them, I'm so sure were like moved

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Speaker 16: and there was any fighting, there was any shoving, nothing.

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Speaker 13: The moment for me that I just lost it. Well,

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Speaker 13: first of all, I walk in and I'm like, this

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Speaker 13: see online. I'm sitting next to Mount Walsh. Obviously there's

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Speaker 13: It about why we're there, but we were b Latin

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Speaker 13: worship Brandon Lake, and he's singing, and then he stops,

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Speaker 13: and the music keeps playing and spontaneously. I don't think

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Speaker 13: that this was orchestrated in any way. Everyone just starts

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Speaker 13: slowly lifting up their signs and as people out there

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Speaker 13: probably know, one says send me, I'll go. The other

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Speaker 13: red sign says well done, good and faithful servant. And

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Speaker 13: I look back on the stage, Brandon Lake is just sobbing.

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Speaker 13: I'm sobbing, And it was just one of those moments

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Speaker 13: that I can only recall feeling a few times in

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Speaker 13: most beautiful moments I've ever been in a foretaste of heaven.

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Speaker 13: If you had told me that I get to worship

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Speaker 13: and listen to the Gospel preached, you know, not right

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Speaker 13: next to Donald Trump, but alongside Donald Trump and all

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Speaker 13: of these other people, I would have said, Well, that's

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Speaker 13: going to happen on the other side of eternity, not

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Speaker 13: this one. But Charlie made that happen here.

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Speaker 13: Hi.

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Speaker 9: Welcome back to The Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 9: Who needs no introduction.

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Speaker 16: Ali, you put out a tweet and an Instagram story,

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Speaker 9: I wish I would have thought about it. I might

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Speaker 16: I might steal it because it's a beautiful thing to

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Speaker 16: just reflect on who out there became Christians because of Charlie,

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Speaker 16: either because of his life or because of his death,

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Speaker 13: Posted this on Instagram. My Instagram audience is very engaged.

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Speaker 13: But when I say email me, a lot of times

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Speaker 13: I just said, email this address if God used Charlie's

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Speaker 9: Well we have her, I believe, Jacqueline.

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Speaker 13: you being introduced to Arley's content. Can you tell us

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I was definitely engaged in a lot of New

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Speaker 20: I think I was always searching for something larger than myself.

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Speaker 7: I would say that pre COVID, I didn't really pay.

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Speaker 13: It was your husband who started watching Charlie Kirk's videos

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Speaker 20: I think my husband watched a lot of the Proved

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Speaker 13: No, please go yes, Okay, So do you remember anything

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Speaker 16: It was completely unvarnished truth, and it strikes when you're

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Speaker 16: They just their hearts are hardened to hearing those truths

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Speaker 16: that come from scripture.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but you didn't allow your heart to stay hard

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Speaker 13: and your God did it. God softened your heart. So

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Speaker 13: can you tell us about that the more that God

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Speaker 13: was working in you, the more you watched Charlie's content.

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Speaker 13: Just tell us about that change in your life.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: So, as I said before, it definitely took time, and

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Speaker 20: I mean, i'm i'm I'm still learning, I'm still exploring.

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Speaker 7: I feel, you know, really new on this journey. It's

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Speaker 7: really only.

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Speaker 20: Been about a year or so that I've kind of

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Speaker 20: solidified that belief in myself, and I've just kind of

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Speaker 20: had a hunger to learn more and you know, to open.

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Speaker 7: My Bible and read the Bible and read the Word.

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Speaker 7: And Yeah, it really was just kind of like a number.

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Speaker 20: Of events that happened in which I get tired of

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Speaker 20: holding all of that burden and I really needed to

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Speaker 20: release it over.

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Speaker 7: To something greater than myself.

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Speaker 20: And and that's really, you know, that's really where Jesus

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Speaker 20: came into my life.

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Speaker 13: Wow, and now you wrote to me, you are reading

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Speaker 13: your Bible, you're attending church, you are a a gospel

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Speaker 13: believing Christian. No more tarot cards, no more witchcraft. That's amazing.

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Speaker 20: Now, all of that, as soon as I decided, it

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Speaker 20: all went into the garbage. I threw wow, every I

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Speaker 20: went through my house and threw absolutely everything away and

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Speaker 20: just didn't really want to have any part to do.

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Speaker 9: With a Well.

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Speaker 13: Praise God. Thank you so much, Jacqueline, just for reaching

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Speaker 13: out to me, for your boldness, for your testimony to

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Speaker 13: the Lord's power, but also to Charlie's influence. I really

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Speaker 13: appreciate you. God bless you and your family especially and

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Speaker 13: your growth and your Christian walk. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much. I feel so honored to be

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Speaker 7: on here praise.

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Speaker 13: Scott, Thank you well.

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Speaker 16: I for one, am very hopeful that Jacqueline's story will

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Speaker 16: be multiplied by the millions, and I believe it. I mean,

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Speaker 16: we had over one hundred million that we know of,

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Speaker 16: and that's just on the live streams for Charlie's memorial.

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Speaker 13: That's insane, I know that.

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Speaker 16: And that's not counting broadcast clips all that things. So

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Speaker 16: multiply that by who knows.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 16: We're gonna take a quick break and we have another

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Speaker 16: guy Ston studio, so we'll be right back for radio.

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Speaker 9: Don't go anywhere, yep.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But like, for example, supplying more weapons, like there's.

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Speaker 10: Like so that's that's a that's a no go for us,

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Speaker 10: But why can't you supply more weapons as long.

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Speaker 15: As through every store, every moment of uncertainty.

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Speaker 9: Everybody needs to pray for Charlie Kirk right now.

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Speaker 15: Rev has stood strong.

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Speaker 22: We're not going to tolerate this stuff anymore.

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Speaker 3: Turn that anger into motivation to save this nation.

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Speaker 15: When we move together, there is power.

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Speaker 17: The cries of this widow will echo like a battle cry.

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Speaker 9: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 16: It's Andrew Colvett, Charlie's executive producer Ali beths Stuck And

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Speaker 16: I know you need no introduction, but I'm going to

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Speaker 16: let you introduce our next guest who's in studio.

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Speaker 13: With us, Yes, Pastor Costy Hen. I knew when I

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Speaker 13: was co hosting this with Andrew that I wanted to

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Speaker 13: bring you in because you're local, you're a pastor, and

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Speaker 13: I want you to introduce yourself a little bit more,

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Speaker 13: and then we're going to talk about revival, what it

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Speaker 13: means to be a Christian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I get the privilege of pastoring not far

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Speaker 1: from here, actually, it's about twelve minute drive over to

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Speaker 1: the studio. Grateful and been pastoring a church called Shepherd's

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Speaker 1: House for just over three years. God's done some pretty

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Speaker 1: amazing things here in the desert and it's thriving. And

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Speaker 1: then I get the privilege of leading a ministry called

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Speaker 1: for the Gospel. It's an online resource ministry and our

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Speaker 1: tagline is sound Doctrine for everyday people. So thinking of

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Speaker 1: your guests that you just had on. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: love bringing the cookies down from the top shelf and

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Speaker 1: explaining truth theology and help people grow in their faith.

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Speaker 13: That's one thing that you and Charlie had in common,

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Speaker 13: taking the cookies down from the top shelf. So making

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Speaker 13: things really simply.

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Speaker 16: Boiled things down in the most in the simplest terms.

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Speaker 16: I mean, he had a brilliant intellect and he I

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Speaker 16: mean he could have used you know, one hundred dollars

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Speaker 16: words when you know a dollar would work or five cents,

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Speaker 16: but he chose not to because he was so linked

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Speaker 16: to the people and the grassroots and the musty and

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Speaker 16: he and he just had a way of distilling everything

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Speaker 16: and just these blunt terms, and it was always so

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Speaker 16: right on.

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Speaker 9: I have a is it okay? If?

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Speaker 16: I Yeah, I just have a like outside looking in

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Speaker 16: at how has everything that you've seen in the last

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Speaker 16: you know, thirteen days, how has it impacted you?

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Speaker 1: And what have you seen at your church? Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: obviously the personal emotion element is huge. You watch everything

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Speaker 1: go down and you're kind of got punched because I

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Speaker 1: grew very familiar with his voice and all the content

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Speaker 1: that TPUSA puts out and what Charlie was doing, and

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Speaker 1: even the excitement of this. Probably last year you would

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Speaker 1: know more obviously being so close to him and seeing it,

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Speaker 1: but I noticed a clear shift. It wasn't mere politics.

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Speaker 1: The guy was a biblical flamethrower. He was unleashing truth,

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Speaker 1: he was interacting. It was the college campus is that

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Speaker 1: ignited so much of this. So we're all fired up.

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Speaker 1: Our church loves them, so many of the young people.

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Speaker 1: And then you see this so gut punch. And then

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Speaker 1: our office came to a standstill that day. And we

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Speaker 1: have a couple of guys, military guys and a few

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Speaker 1: others on our staff. They were all there that day

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Speaker 1: and we just stopped what we were doing. We immediately prayed,

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Speaker 1: prayed for him, prayed for Erica, the kids, you guys,

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Speaker 1: and it's a lot of emotion. And then it was

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Speaker 1: about an hour later in our team for the gospel

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Speaker 1: said hey, do you want to say anything? And things

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Speaker 1: were starting to kind of unfold, and I was keeping

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Speaker 1: up with Alibeth and everything that was going on, and

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Speaker 1: everything in me thought, no, I don't want to say anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm numb, I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say,

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Speaker 1: and then I thought, nope, I have a responsibility as

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Speaker 1: a effort, as a leader, as a pastor. I got

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Speaker 1: to say something, and so took some time, prayed, and

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Speaker 1: then we put out kind of five truths to hold

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Speaker 1: to when wickedness is unleashed, essentially, and when these kind

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Speaker 1: of things happened, and it just became about shepherding for us.

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Speaker 1: People in our church were rocked. We had so many

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Speaker 1: folks there on Sunday, and we love and loved what

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Speaker 1: you guys were doing and are doing. Love and loved Charlie,

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Speaker 1: and so we are also seeing a lot of excitement

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Speaker 1: and a lot of passion. So you're living in this

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Speaker 1: really beautiful and difficult tension of morning and sadness and sorrow,

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Speaker 1: and then you're going, wait a minute, I don't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of time not not to grieve, but I

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time to sit around and

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Speaker 1: wallowing and get in online fistfights and get all down

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Speaker 1: the drama trail because people are showing up going I'm

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Speaker 1: rocked because of Charlie. I'm here, I want to follow Christ.

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Speaker 1: What do I do? And you are right back in

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Speaker 1: the saddle, and it kind of speaks the way he

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Speaker 1: was in many ways, get on the play, Wow, get

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Speaker 1: after it. There's people to serve, not like the show

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Speaker 1: goes on in a callous or emotionless way. It's like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we have a gospel to preach, Jesus to serve, and

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Speaker 1: people to reach, So get after it. So you're you

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Speaker 1: guys are living this right now as well. It's you're onward,

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Speaker 1: but you're feeling it. So we've been similar.

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Speaker 13: Okay, we were talking about revival and a lot of

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Speaker 13: people have been using that word, and certainly at the

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Speaker 13: Memorial it felt like a big revival in a lot

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Speaker 13: of ways. What is a revival though, Like, what can

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Speaker 13: we look for to see the true fruit of an

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Speaker 13: actual revival, not just an emotional experience, but a real

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Speaker 13: resurgence and true repentance and faith.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So two words that I've been using, not interchangeably

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Speaker 1: but distinct, revival and renewal. So revival is to bring

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Speaker 1: alive something that was dead. So that is your new believers,

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Speaker 1: people getting saved, people coming to faith. They were absolutely agnostic,

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Speaker 1: they were detached, they were indifferent, and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden they come alive. There's a vibal something dead

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Speaker 1: now alive. Renewal is like when you renovate your house.

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Speaker 1: The house isn't rebuilt, but you're renewed. We have both

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Speaker 1: happening right now. The clear fruit of a revival is

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Speaker 1: going to be genuine conversions, so real gospel preaching, not

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Speaker 1: just you know, oh I want to get back to

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Speaker 1: God or I just want to be more conservative. Those

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Speaker 1: things are fine. When people want to turn back to God,

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Speaker 1: we need to find that, or people want to be

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Speaker 1: more conservative. I saw some folks posting and saying, I'm

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Speaker 1: officially leaving the left, I'm going right, I'm done with this,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's like, yeah, okay, not fully the goal here,

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Speaker 1: and Charlie and all you guys would say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Not the goal. The goal is heart transformation, turning to Christ,

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Speaker 1: not merely conservatism. So revival is that which is dead

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Speaker 1: coming alive, genuine fruit being love for the Gospel, love

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Speaker 1: for the Lord, and then faith exploding. We don't care

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Speaker 1: what you say. We'll do it in love, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be bold. We don't care what happens to us.

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Speaker 1: We care about life and want another, but ultimately, our

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Speaker 1: allegiances to Christ. And what you have is this surge

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Speaker 1: of church attendants, not because church saves you, but because

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Speaker 1: people want to hear the truth. You get this surge

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Speaker 1: in evangelism. We've got people in our church. I was

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Speaker 1: with a group of men this morning. We have this

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Speaker 1: large Bible study, and it got larger this week. Got

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Speaker 1: dudes that are bringing their neighbors, guys that are coming

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Speaker 1: out of the woodworks. People going, man, I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about this for a while, and then others saying thank

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to me, but I've been

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Speaker 1: waking up every day saying that Charlie Kirk guy was

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Speaker 1: onto something. So I went down the rabbit trail and

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Speaker 1: I realized, I want to believe in Jesus Christ. So

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Speaker 1: revival will result in that true fruit and renewal will

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Speaker 1: result in old school or maybe we'll call them seasoned

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Speaker 1: believers and people who've been a little dry spiritually going,

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Speaker 1: this is what that's right.

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Speaker 9: I forgot, this is what we need to be living for.

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Speaker 1: And what are we doing on cruise control? Let's go

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Speaker 1: and so both and does that make sense?

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Speaker 7: It does?

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Speaker 13: And first I want to speak to the new Christians

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Speaker 13: because there's a lot of people out there. I'm sure

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Speaker 13: Andrew has been getting these tweets and these emails too. Okay,

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Speaker 13: I'm a new Christian?

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Speaker 20: What do I do?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 13: I want to go to church, I want to read

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Speaker 13: the Bible. But some of these people I've seen. I

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Speaker 13: saw a post from an atheist woman that I've been

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Speaker 13: following for a long time. We've gone back and forth

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Speaker 13: a few times, and she was raised an atheist and

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Speaker 13: she knows nothing about it, but she went to church

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Speaker 13: and she's like, it was so foreign to me, and

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Speaker 13: I don't know what to do with myself. So first,

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Speaker 13: let's speak to the new Christians. What do you do now?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So I made a little list because I kind

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Speaker 1: of knew we were going to talk about that.

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Speaker 13: I know, and you're so good at making lists.

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Speaker 9: You really are very organized. I can see it. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: it was an organized brain.

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Speaker 1: I love my lists because it drives me crazy when

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Speaker 1: my own kind, like theologizers pastors and used big words,

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Speaker 1: use one hundred dollars words, when a one dollar word

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Speaker 1: like around. Come on, man, give me the list. What

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Speaker 1: do you would do? I'm in let's go. So Number one,

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Speaker 1: I would say, be grounded in scripture. So we want

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Speaker 1: people reading the word of God, and you don't go

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Speaker 1: off like a kind of a spray or a miss

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Speaker 1: just all everywhere, go somewhere specific. So the Gospel of

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Speaker 1: John is a great place to start reading.

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Speaker 13: The kind of Bible. Can they just get a Jesus calling?

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Speaker 13: Can they just study that g let's go.

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Speaker 1: Even further deep into the root?

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Speaker 16: Well we had I saw that one of the comments

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Speaker 16: one of my tweets. I was like, oh, alley, chime

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Speaker 16: in on that. Like somebody was asking, I need a

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Speaker 16: new believer Bible.

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Speaker 13: Well I get, I said, ESP study Bible, but I

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Speaker 13: would love.

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Speaker 1: For you to study Bible. An NESB study Bible. Those

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Speaker 1: are going to be two really good translations.

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Speaker 13: Those are just translations. They all have the same idea.

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Speaker 13: But ESP's a little more literal than in NIV, your.

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Speaker 1: English Standard Version or your New American Standard Bible. And

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Speaker 1: there's some fun particulars in those, like, for example, the

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Speaker 1: NSB will put exclamation points where the Greek is exclamatory,

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Speaker 1: so you're reading, you're like, oh, that's a fired up

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Speaker 1: statement right there, versus just a basic So start with

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Speaker 1: a good word for word type of translation ESB or NSB,

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Speaker 1: and then from there a study Bible is really helpful.

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Speaker 1: I watched a clip of you and Charlie talking and

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Speaker 1: he was like, John MacArthur is he's got to be

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Speaker 1: one of the best Bible teachers on the planet right now.

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Speaker 1: And there's some guys that have good study Bibles like

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Speaker 1: that where they have notes in the bottom and it

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Speaker 1: just offers clarification so people can read the Gospel of John.

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Speaker 1: John wrote so that you would believe, and so why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to read that. Another book that I

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Speaker 1: think is really helpful right now, especially would be the

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Speaker 1: Book of Ephesians. They're really letters, So the Letter of Ephesians.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is I preach through

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Speaker 1: Ephesians as the first book we went through as a

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Speaker 1: church plant, so rookies newbies because it covers the Gospel.

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Speaker 1: It also covers essentials like prayer, the Holy Spirit, who

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Speaker 1: is Jesus, and unity in the church. But then it

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Speaker 1: gets really fun. Chapter four kind of turns and it's

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Speaker 1: like beyond church leadership into chapter five and it starts

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Speaker 1: talking about marriage, relationships, work life, and you're going, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's really parenting your mouth, how you talk, how you think.

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Speaker 1: And then spiritual warfare in chapter six. And because I

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Speaker 1: believe that we are to live as people at war,

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Speaker 1: not a physical war per se, but a spiritual war.

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Speaker 1: And so the Book of Ephesians and then last tip

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Speaker 1: on that, the book the Letter of Psalms, so all

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Speaker 1: of the Psalms and then Proverbs, because Psalms will offer

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Speaker 1: you glimpses of hope, praise also pain. You know, David

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Speaker 1: going through loss and he cries out to God. And

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Speaker 1: then injustice when the wicked do things, David praise big

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Speaker 1: theology where imprecatory prayers. Basically, God, get them prayers. That's

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Speaker 1: what it's like. Sick them. Lord, you see what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And David praise these prayers. How long will you allow

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Speaker 1: the wicked to rage? God? Do something? And so we

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Speaker 1: can pray those kind of prayers and turn all that

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Speaker 1: over the Lord. And then Proverbs is full of wisdom.

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Speaker 1: So that's one key.

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Speaker 16: I had a friend that was going through a really

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Speaker 16: hard season of life and he said, for two years

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Speaker 16: all he could do was read the Psalms.

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Speaker 9: Bro it was just it was the only thing that

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Speaker 9: got him through it.

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Speaker 16: Yep, it was just his so heart wrenching, and it

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Speaker 16: was the wicked were coming after him, and it was

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Speaker 16: just the Psalms were.

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Speaker 1: All that can sustain.

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Speaker 16: So anyways, and sometimes you have seasons like that in life.

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Speaker 16: If you're a new Christian, you have to understand that

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Speaker 16: there will be really hard seasons and sometimes you might

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Speaker 16: need to just read the Psalms.

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Speaker 9: But anyways, there's a lot of good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't want amen.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but Ephesians is great. And Erica mentioned Ephesians five

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Speaker 16: in her speech on Sunday.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and how did they pick a good church?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so my second one was commit to a strong

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Speaker 1: local church. I personally unapologic on this one. You got

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Speaker 1: to find a church that is unleashing the word of God.

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Speaker 1: And I really do think it's so applicable when you

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Speaker 1: look at the way Charlie operated, and he operates as

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Speaker 1: such a great illustration for so many of these things.

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Speaker 1: He was living it. But something I just jotted down

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Speaker 1: was look for a church that preaches the Bible. It

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Speaker 1: gives you a doctrine. Think of how Charlie operated. Was

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Speaker 1: he shallow? No, he was clear and simple, but he

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Speaker 1: was never shallow. And so you're not looking for a

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Speaker 1: preacher that's going to stand up there and tell you

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Speaker 1: cute little stories and make you laugh and then patch

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Speaker 1: you on the back and just send you on, you know,

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Speaker 1: to lunch. You want a guy that gives you all

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Speaker 1: the smoke. You want him to give you all the

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Speaker 1: truth and pressing on your life. So you leave, like

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Speaker 1: you leave how you'd want to leave the gym. You're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: that was a good workout, kind of sweaty. He really

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Speaker 1: pushed on some buttons, and I don't know how I

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Speaker 1: feel about all. That's called conviction from the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 1: It's really important you go to a church that opens

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Speaker 1: the Bible and lets it fly.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's really good.

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Speaker 9: So we have just a few seconds here before radio break.

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Speaker 16: But I'm gonna I'm gonna invite you to preach the gospel,

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Speaker 16: to proclaim the gospel for those listening that are maybe

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Speaker 16: curious in our next segment. So I'm gonna I should

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Speaker 16: have just pounced on you. You could do it, but

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Speaker 16: but I think I just feel called to invite you

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Speaker 16: to do that.

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Speaker 9: So we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere, all right.

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Speaker 9: We are back for the stream and for real.

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Speaker 16: America's voice and probably for clips. So I'm inviting you

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Speaker 16: because something was stirring in my spirit, like, I don't

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Speaker 16: want to assume everybody out there has made that decision,

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Speaker 16: so I would love.

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Speaker 1: To hear it. Yeah, I think that one of the

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Speaker 1: easiest ways to understand the Gospel is God Man Christ

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Speaker 1: response four simple things. God is holy, He's real. He

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Speaker 1: is the creator of heaven and earth. He's the ruler

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Speaker 1: and holds all authority. He is a righteous, holy, loving father,

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Speaker 1: and that is who God is. Man is sinful. We

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Speaker 1: broke God's law from the garden of Eden all the

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Speaker 1: way through until now we all sin. The Bible says,

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Speaker 1: all of sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

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Speaker 1: Every sin that we would call small is still great

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Speaker 1: enough to send you to hell and separate you from God.

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Speaker 1: And man has one core issue. It's not our politics,

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Speaker 1: not the amount of money we make or don't make.

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Speaker 1: Our main core issues the issue of sin. It separates

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Speaker 1: us from God. So you have God and you have Man,

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Speaker 1: and then you need a solution. Because if we have

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Speaker 1: no solution, we are damned to hell. We are on

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Speaker 1: a one way track into judgment. And so God, though

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Speaker 1: being so loving, says I'll send my son Jesus Christ

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Speaker 1: to die in their place. And the reason there has

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Speaker 1: to be death and blood is because sin requires payment.

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Speaker 1: Because God is holy, he would be an unjust God

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Speaker 1: to say, ah, sin's no big deal and wink at it.

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Speaker 1: Because he's holy, he deals with sin because man is sinful.

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Speaker 1: He would deal with man. But instead of causing you

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Speaker 1: and I to burn and fiery judgment or the wrath

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Speaker 1: of Almighty God to fall on us, he says, I

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Speaker 1: love my creation so much, I'll send my son, Jesus

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Speaker 1: Christ to die. And so Jesus came. Why we make

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Speaker 1: such a big deal about Jesus, And it's all about

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Speaker 1: Jesus saying about Jesus? Who is Jesus? Guy, He's the

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Speaker 1: one who came from heaven as a man and lived

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Speaker 1: a perfect life we could never live. Died a perfect

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Speaker 1: and complete death, taking the full wrath of God upon himself,

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Speaker 1: every sin, past, present and future, all of it in

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Speaker 1: your place, in my place. He shed his blood in

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Speaker 1: death on the cross. But it didn't stop there. The

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Speaker 1: devil thought he won, But Jesus rose from the grave,

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Speaker 1: and that was a declaration that death has no victory. Now,

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Speaker 1: death has no sting, now has no hold, And so

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Speaker 1: all the Father is saying, is if you place your

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Speaker 1: faith in my son, I no longer see you and

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Speaker 1: your sin, I will not pour my wrath out on you.

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Speaker 1: I poured my wrath on him. I look through my son,

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ at you, and I see you washed, cleansed,

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Speaker 1: forgiven mine. And so that is how we enter heaven.

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Speaker 1: Faith not in ourselves, not in our good works, not

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Speaker 1: in anything we are, but in Jesus Christ. And so response,

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Speaker 1: then is this, Choose this day whom you will serve.

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Speaker 1: Will you put your faith in Jesus Christ. Will you

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Speaker 1: lay down your pride and your sin, all of your fears,

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Speaker 1: your guilt, your shame, and say, Jesus, I give you everything.

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Speaker 1: I surrender my life to you. Please, please, please save me.

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Speaker 1: You are my Lord, you are my savior. And then

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Speaker 1: give your life to him. Death will not be the

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Speaker 1: end for you. It's the beginning of eternal life.

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Speaker 13: Praise good, beautiful.

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Speaker 16: And I just feel like there's people listening right now

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Speaker 16: that have this thing that's holding on in their chest

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Speaker 16: like they won't let go and they want to and

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Speaker 16: I just want to say, let go, let go, And actually, Ali,

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Speaker 16: you sent me this. The song was the Saturday after

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Speaker 16: it happened, and I was holding on to all these

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Speaker 16: things that I thought my life was gonna be before

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Speaker 16: Charlie was killed, all the plans that we had around

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Speaker 16: the show. It was a lot where I was gonna live,

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Speaker 16: how I was going to live, my family's future was

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Speaker 16: going to look like, and I was afraid for what

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Speaker 16: all this would be. And I listened to that song,

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Speaker 16: I had like an ugly cry, I'm not afraid to

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Speaker 16: admit it. And I could feel myself letting go and

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Speaker 16: dying to myself in that moment and saying yes, Lord, Yes,

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Speaker 16: and and then the fear melted away because at that

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Speaker 16: point it wasn't up to me anymore.

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Speaker 9: It was up to Jesus. And so I feel like

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Speaker 9: there's people in the audience right now that can relate

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Speaker 9: to that.

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Speaker 16: Just say yes, We'll be right back, all right, Welcome

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Speaker 16: back radio stations across the country. If you missed what

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Speaker 16: just happened on radio, I pray you will go back

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Speaker 16: to the podcast and listen to it, because you just

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Speaker 16: preached the Word of God and the gospel, and I

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Speaker 16: felt the Holy Spirit in a big way. And so

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Speaker 16: I want everybody listening to have access to that it

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Speaker 16: was amazing.

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Speaker 9: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 13: God is good Man, God, And you know the story

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Speaker 13: that you just told. It was a song by Matthew

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Speaker 13: S and I just love to see, especially over the

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00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 13: past couple of weeks, how God has worked through the

874
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Speaker 13: lives of believers to build up the body of Christ,

875
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 13: because that's what he does. Matthew Us, who I hadn't

876
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 13: talked to in a while, he texted me that song.

877
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 13: He was like, I wrote this demo after Charlie died.

878
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 13: And I don't know why because I don't even know

879
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 13: if we had really spoken except for maybe exchanged a

880
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 13: couple of texts. And I was just like a sitting

881
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 13: and I was like, I'm going to text this to Andrew.

882
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 13: I don't I don't know. I just feel like and

883
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 13: he texted to Andrew and so immediately I just texted

884
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 13: it to you. And obviously that was the Holy Spirit.

885
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 13: Wasn't me, it wasn't even Matthew. It was God working.

886
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 9: He knew, yeah, it was. He needed it was you,

887
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 9: you know.

888
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 16: I yeah, I mean, I'd love to release that song.

889
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 16: I don't know if he's released it publicly, but it

890
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 16: was it was beautiful and I actually sent it to Erica,

891
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 16: and she she I mean, I don't think she would

892
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 16: mind saying because it was Saturday, it had happened on Wednesday,

893
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 16: you know, if you touched us wrong on the arm,

894
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 16: like we just start crying about it.

895
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, so totally.

896
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Speaker 16: But you know, she texted back just like crying emojis,

897
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 16: and she was just like, this is so beautiful.

898
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 9: So it meant a lot in the moment.

899
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Speaker 16: And and yeah, I just think that there is this

900
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 16: thing in our flesh that wants to hold on to

901
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 16: our own intellect right now, because I remember for me,

902
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 16: I just when I became a Christian, the hardest thing

903
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 16: was my intellect.

904
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 9: It's just you have some fairy.

905
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 16: God, like I can't really believe, you know, give me science,

906
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 16: give me physical something I could touch, But that is faith,

907
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Speaker 16: and maybe talk about that, you know, because we live

908
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 16: in such a materialistic world. We live in a scientific world,

909
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 16: you know, But what how do you get past that?

910
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 16: What does faith actually mean? And what does it look

911
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 16: like for people that maybe you don't.

912
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: Have it yet. Yeah, the Bible says without faith, it's

913
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Speaker 1: impossible to please God. And it's a very interesting statement

914
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: to make. So I don't please God if I don't

915
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: have faith. You think, why is that the thing that

916
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: God wants and requires of us? Because it is a

917
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: total admission that you are not enough, you don't have

918
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: it in you, you can't do enough, you don't have

919
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: the strength, you don't have the hope, you don't have

920
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: the works, you don't have the methods or the strategies

921
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: to do anything. It's got to be God. And so

922
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: faith pleases him because faith is humility. Faith is saying God,

923
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. I can't do this in

924
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: my own strength. I don't have enough knowledge. All my smarts,

925
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: all my money, all my efforts, all of my strategies,

926
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Speaker 1: they don't They can't get me through this. I need you.

927
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: And so why is faith the pathway to salvation? Why

928
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: do we have to have faith in Jesus Christ? Because

929
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: it is total surrender, and that's what God wants. And

930
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: then you say, well, why does God want that? Because

931
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: he knows it's what's best for us. Man has always

932
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: failed trying to do everything on his own. We make

933
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: a mess of everything. When you turn to God and faith,

934
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, I don't see it, I don't always understand it,

935
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: but I trust you and that that is where the

936
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit meets people where they are and transformation happens.

937
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 13: Andrew talked about Hebrews twelve earlier. In Hebrews eleven, faith

938
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Speaker 13: is the assurance of things hoped for, the down payment,

939
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 13: the guarantee of things hoped for. And all those heroes

940
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 13: of the faith in Hebrews eleven they trusted even though

941
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Speaker 13: they didn't only see the promised land, they didn't see

942
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 13: the end result. They trusted that God was who he

943
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 13: says he is. I want to talk about discipleship because

944
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 13: you know, as seasoned Christians, I'm looking at all of

945
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 13: these people who are curious or they're like giving their

946
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 13: lives to Christ, and I'm like, Okay, I want those

947
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 13: I need those people to stay. I want them to

948
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 13: get into good churches to read the Word of God.

949
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 13: But I know you can't do this alone. So what's

950
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 13: our responsibility as we see this turning to Jesus to

951
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 13: disciple these people, to take them in. What does it

952
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 13: look like?

953
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: Okay, first, I think it's awesome and kind that you

954
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: respond that way, but I want to roll it back

955
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: just one layer deeper. Okay, there are going to be

956
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are responding that way, and

957
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: then there's going to be a spirit of cynicism. And

958
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: so first thing I want to tell the seasoned believers

959
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: in the church is you reject a cynical spirit right

960
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: at the root. We haven't dealt with this in our church,

961
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: by the grace of God. But here's the deal. Remember

962
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: the prodigal son. The prodigal goes wild. Who was there

963
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: obeying being faithful? Yeah, and what happens when the prodigal

964
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: comes back? Oh, come on, I didn't get the fat

965
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: and calf. What's all the big deal for this? You'll

966
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: have a bunch of people that say, oh, we'll see

967
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: if the hype lasts. Oh yeah, they were all there

968
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium on Sunday. We'll see if they

969
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: actually show up to church next Sunday. Oh yeah, this

970
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: is just about Charlie. Do it for Charlie. Do it

971
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: for Charlie. I've been serving Jesus. I wasn't sure you'll

972
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: have all of that pharisaic stuff. So number one season Saints,

973
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: do not be that guy.

974
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 9: And we're gonna hold. We're gonna keep going on the stream.

975
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 16: We gotta take a little break here as we wrap

976
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 16: up our one for our national radio audience. But you know,

977
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 16: and by the way, Erica has some clips from her

978
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 16: speech about some of this stuff, so I'm excited to

979
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 16: play those as well more on the stream. Don't go anywhere,

980
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 16: give us two seconds and for radio. We'll be back

981
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 16: in a few minutes. All right, Pastor please continue, Okay,

982
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 16: So you'll give into the cynical spirit.

983
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, cynical spirit. This is what we live for.

984
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: This is why we're here. I mean, the church is

985
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: plan A. We throw the nets, we gather the fish.

986
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: And so number one, I want people to have a soft,

987
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: tender hearted love for the lost and the seeking who

988
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: are coming. Reject cynicism. Beyond that, open your heart up

989
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: to discipleship. I mean, be ready to answer questions, get

990
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: in the mess of people's lives. Get down to kind

991
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: of the early stuff where people sometimes go, oh, that's

992
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: so basic, you know, No, give them the basics. I

993
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: was actually talking to a brother just recently. He's a

994
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: newer believer in the sense of like doctrine and truth.

995
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: He's learning and reading his Bible, and I was going

996
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: on on and on, like you know, motor mouthing in

997
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: this conversation, and I was throwing different stuff out and

998
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: he was eating it up. And then I said something.

999
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, and I mentioned a story in

1000
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: the Bible and he was like, no, I haven't heard that.

1001
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't so I don't know all the stories in

1002
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: the Bible like you're talking about it. And I went, oh,

1003
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: so good. And no better example of this than my

1004
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: own wife. When we were dating. We talked one time

1005
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: about some story and I assumed she knew it. Later

1006
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: on I found it, you know, she had been writing

1007
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: about it and I was like, hey, you know what

1008
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: I told her this story. I said, you've probably heard

1009
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: this already. SHE'SAI like, oh, tell me again, And so

1010
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: I thought she she knew. I find out later she

1011
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: didn't know the story, and she just wanted me to

1012
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: share it again. And she said to me, make me

1013
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: one promise. If you become a pastor one day and

1014
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: we're married and we have a church, will you just

1015
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: not be that guy that says, turn in your Bible

1016
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: of this passage. Now I know y'all have heard this before,

1017
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: or you know now everyone knows the story, she said, COSTI,

1018
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: there are so many people like me who did not

1019
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: grow up in church. We grew up in America, but

1020
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: we don't know all the church stories. And when y'all

1021
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: use all of this, it's not even insider language. We

1022
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: just want to be brought into that language. And maybe

1023
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: if you just say, hey, when you're turning in your Bible,

1024
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: turn your Bible to the Book of Philippians. I have

1025
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: no clue where Philippians is. If you could just think

1026
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: of me, that would be awesome. And it created a

1027
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: tender heartedness in me to just remember, the person that's

1028
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: coming doesn't know all that you know, so take it easy.

1029
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: And then also it'll train you and it'll show how

1030
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: much do you really know, because if you can't articulate

1031
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: it to the rookie, you're not as smart as you

1032
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: think you are.

1033
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 13: Okay. That reminds me of being in college and taking

1034
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 13: this finance class and the teacher got out there and

1035
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 13: was like, well, you'll already know what credit is, and

1036
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 13: I was like, we do because I don't, and I

1037
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 13: had no idea, And it made me discourage you maybe

1038
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 13: want to drop out of the class because I didn't

1039
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 13: know what he was talking about. He never explained it.

1040
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 13: He just assumed that we all had this base knowledge.

1041
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 13: So it can actually be very discouraging for new Christians

1042
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 13: when we're just like way up here and they're like,

1043
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 13: hang on, what's John through sixteen? I haven't heard that.

1044
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, And I I just love that Erica actually

1045
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 16: addressed this. It's I mean, at this speech, by the way,

1046
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 16: she gave two of the best speeches I've ever heard,

1047
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 16: and she did it within a matter of days, under

1048
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 16: the most excruciating of circumstances and the most high and

1049
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 16: she knew the world was watching only God, only God,

1050
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 16: and she speaks to this. So let's go ahead and

1051
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 16: play cut one to eighteen.

1052
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 17: All of you, all of you who are already believers,

1053
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 17: it is your job to shepherd these people.

1054
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 22: Do not take that lightly.

1055
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 17: Water the seed of their faith, protect.

1056
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 22: It, and help it grow.

1057
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 9: It's funny.

1058
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 16: I didn't.

1059
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Speaker 9: I hadn't.

1060
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Speaker 16: I knew she said that line, but I didn't think

1061
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 16: of the seed. And the whole time you were talking

1062
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 16: about cynicism, I was thinking of the parable of the

1063
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 16: sower and that the seeds are going out. I mean,

1064
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 16: there are a lot of seeds going out yep, right now.

1065
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 16: Some will land in good soil, some will land among thorns.

1066
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 16: And I mean God's going to do what God's going

1067
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 16: to do, but we have to be ready to water

1068
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 16: the seeds and with the expectation that they will grow

1069
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 16: into maturity.

1070
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to model patience and grace as well

1071
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: as people come with their stuff and their mess and

1072
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: they don't have it all figured out, or they been

1073
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: doing things maybe the wrong way, or or they don't

1074
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: have a clue, and walk with them and come alongside them.

1075
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: You see this in Acts chapter eight, there's this story

1076
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: of the Ethiopian eunuch and Philip Okay, one of the apostles,

1077
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: runs into this guy and he shows up and this

1078
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: guy is reading a scroll. He's reading Isaiah. That's how

1079
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: they used to do with it, have these big scrolls,

1080
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: and so he's reading, and in my CHV the Costly

1081
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Hin version, basically Philip rolls up on this guy AND's like, hey,

1082
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: what you're reading And he's like, you know, oh, reading

1083
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: in Isaiah. You know, let's groll And so Philip then

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Speaker 1: explains Christ from Isaiah, which has lots of prophecies about Jesus,

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Speaker 1: and the guy then goes, hey, look there's water. What

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Speaker 1: prevents me from being baptized? And so he's like he's

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Speaker 1: all in. Clearly he wants to follow Jesus. Philip has

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Speaker 1: evidently explained that Hey, after you profess faith in Christ,

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Speaker 1: you go get baptized, not for salvation but because of salvation.

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Speaker 1: And it's this declaration of the world. Look at me,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of these crazy people, one of these followers

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Speaker 1: of the way. I'm getting in the water. I'm buried

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Speaker 1: with Christ, raised to new life. Look, I'm a Christian.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't give my theology exam. He didn't say

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Speaker 1: we're going to need you to pass a few classes.

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Speaker 1: He didn't say, well, we'll see if it's real, your

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Speaker 1: Ethiopian eunuch. You know, this guy gets walked into the

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Speaker 1: waters of baptism. And so there's an illustration there of

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Speaker 1: how we can be come alongside someone. Hey, what you're

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Speaker 1: reading help me at HMU, help me understand. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the best ways to meet people.

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Speaker 1: Whether it also builds trust and people go, oh, you

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Speaker 1: don't just want to hammer me and show off all

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Speaker 1: that you know, you actually want to help me and

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Speaker 1: love me. I'll follow you wherever you go. Just show

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Speaker 1: me the way of truth. And so we want to

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Speaker 1: have that tender heart.

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Speaker 13: What does discipleship look like on a day to day basis?

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Speaker 1: Yep, So two elements of that the Great Commission when

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Speaker 1: Jesus says baptizing the name and them and the name

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Speaker 1: of the Father, son of the Holy Spirit, teaching them

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Speaker 1: to observe all that I've commanded. So in the Great

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Speaker 1: Commission is this teaching element. We're going to be teaching

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Speaker 1: a lot. So you gotta be patient. You also got

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Speaker 1: to know your stuff, and so seasoned Christians armor up

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Speaker 1: because you're going to be using all of that good truth.

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Speaker 1: But then also the Greek word for disciple methides, and

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Speaker 1: that just a teacher, and you have pupils. You have teachers,

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Speaker 1: and you have students. That's what disciple is. So being

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Speaker 1: a disciples, being a faithful student, it's being a good pupil.

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Speaker 1: And to disciple someone means to teach them. And so

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Speaker 1: we're going to need Christians to get their eyes off themselves,

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Speaker 1: to get their eyes up all of their busy schedules

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Speaker 1: and what they're obsessing over and kind of well, I

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Speaker 1: gotta do me. I don't have time for these needy people. No,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be folks that are like spiritual toddlers,

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Speaker 1: their spiritual babies, and they need to be nursed on

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Speaker 1: the milk of the Word, raised up to be able

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Speaker 1: to digest the meat of the Word. And so you

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Speaker 1: have got we're commanded to make disciples. So you don't

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Speaker 1: look at this and go oh, all these people. It's

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Speaker 1: so busy, you know, you look and go oh, look

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Speaker 1: at all of these mouths to feed and hearts wide

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Speaker 1: open to teach and guide. That's the heart. I want

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Speaker 1: to highlight one thing. We have this sweet couple in

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Speaker 1: our church. They were at the memorial on Sunday and

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Speaker 1: just one of my buddy Jordan, one of his best

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Speaker 1: friends was really close worked here at TPUSA, and his

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Speaker 1: sweet wife. They roll up to campus our church the

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Speaker 1: Sunday after Charlie was killed and the parking lot is jammed,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was wall to wall, both services, and

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Speaker 1: they sent me this message and they were weeping. They

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Speaker 1: pulled in and they have young kids, like it's not

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Speaker 1: easy to get your You know this, we all know that.

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Speaker 1: It's like you getting your kids to church in the

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Speaker 1: morning is a feat. There should be awards.

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Speaker 16: I think the devil intentionally like sabotages that time for

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Speaker 16: what it's worth.

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Speaker 7: No, it.

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Speaker 16: Wakes up in a bad mood and they're crying and

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Speaker 16: they don't want to get dressed, and you got to like,

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Speaker 16: you know, dude, No.

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Speaker 1: You're right. That's why a mentor once told me Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning church is a Saturday evening mission or decision.

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Speaker 15: So you start praying, you steam.

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Speaker 1: Those outfits, you prep the snack bag. Oh, if you

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Speaker 1: put the worship on, you're like, we have this home

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Speaker 1: is Spiritville, and we are going to the House of

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Speaker 1: God with God's people. And so they roll up and

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Speaker 1: they have young kids, and now they have to park further.

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Speaker 1: It's Arizona, so it still feels like summer here, and

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Speaker 1: they're weeping because they know what it means. And that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of heart we need to disciple people. They

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Speaker 1: are not annoying, They are not the problem. They are

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Speaker 1: the mission. So get after it and come alongside and

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Speaker 1: do the work.

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Speaker 16: All right, So I'm gonna we're gonna take a quick

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Speaker 16: little pause and we will welcome back national Radio in

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Speaker 16: just about a minute. Don't go anywhere. We're gonna We're gonna.

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Speaker 9: Talk about male and female roles.

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Speaker 16: We might talk about theference between the sword of the

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Speaker 16: government versus forgiveness that Erica offered Romans twelve versus Romans thirteen.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be right back.

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Speaker 15: Through every storm, every moment of uncertainty.

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Speaker 22: Everybody needs to pray for Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 15: Right now, Rev has stood strong. We're not going to

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Speaker 15: tolerate this stuff anymore.

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Speaker 3: Turn that anger into motivation to save this nation.

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Speaker 15: When we move together, there is power.

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Speaker 7: The cries of this widow will echo like a battle cry.

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Speaker 15: This is more the news.

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Speaker 10: It's a movement, this revolution of people taking their countries back.

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Speaker 23: A turning point, a chance to be part of something

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Speaker 23: greater than yourself. Scan the QR code and stand with Rev.

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Speaker 23: The story isn't over, and neither is your part in it.

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Speaker 15: Step in, be counted, be heard. Together, we are round.

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Speaker 11: We will achieve American greatness.

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Speaker 16: All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show radio

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Speaker 16: stations all across the country. I'm joined by the one

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Speaker 16: and only Ali Beth Stuckey, one of Charlie's dear, dear

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Speaker 16: friends and a confidant, and I'm so honored to have

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Speaker 16: you here.

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Speaker 13: It's an honor to be here, and it's fun. All

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Speaker 13: are fun, Well, I know and.

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Speaker 16: By the way, and then my new friend here, pastor

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Speaker 16: CONSTI I got that right, didn't I.

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Speaker 1: Costy Costy, Yes, I'm a new friend. I mean to

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Speaker 1: get it wrong a few times.

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Speaker 13: I know, I invited someone. I invited someone that not

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Speaker 13: only I knew could just bring the gospel and help

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Speaker 13: us so much. But I was like, Andrew is genuinely

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Speaker 13: going to love cost just as a person. So making

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Speaker 13: friendships roads.

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Speaker 16: So there's two things I want to get into. And

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Speaker 16: then we do have Kirk Cameron coming on for the

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Speaker 16: second half of this hour, so more friends are going

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Speaker 16: to be joining he obviously it had been a guest

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Speaker 16: on the show, and so many things. But I want

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Speaker 16: to talk about two things. I want to talk about

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Speaker 16: Erica's speech and what she presented with male and female,

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Speaker 16: because this is a central theme of yours, a central

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Speaker 16: ministry of yours, and I thought she just I mean,

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Speaker 16: like the word choice was so precise and exactly. I

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Speaker 16: just want to talk about this forgiveness moment because I

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Speaker 16: actually quoted your tweet yesterday on the show, you know,

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Speaker 16: to different differentiate between Romans twelve and Romans thirteen.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, so.

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Speaker 9: We're going to do this.

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Speaker 16: But We'll start with the female male dichotomy meant male

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Speaker 16: and female, which.

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Speaker 9: I thought was profound that she even brought that up.

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Speaker 9: I must go there totally.

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Speaker 16: But she makes sense, yeah, because of their marriage really

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Speaker 16: was such a great example.

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Speaker 13: And Charlie talked about it totally all the time.

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Speaker 16: He was obsessed with Erica. So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 16: play cut one nineteen. This is Erica's message to the men.

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Speaker 17: Charlie passionately wanted to reach and save the lost boys

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Speaker 17: of the West, the young men who feel like they

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Speaker 17: have no direction, no purpose, no faith, and no reason

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Speaker 17: to live.

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Speaker 7: The men wasting their.

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Speaker 17: Lives on distractions, and the men consumed with resentment, anger

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Speaker 17: and hate.

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Speaker 22: Charlie wanted to help them.

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Speaker 7: He wanted them to have a home.

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Speaker 17: With Turning Point, USA, And when he went on to campus,

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Speaker 17: he was looking to show them a better path.

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Speaker 3: And a better life that was right there for the taking.

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Speaker 17: He wanted to show them that my husband, Charlie, he

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Speaker 17: wanted to save.

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Speaker 18: Young men.

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Speaker 17: Just like the one who took his life.

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Speaker 13: So good.

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Speaker 16: And she goes on to say to challenge men to

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Speaker 16: be a man worth following. But in the interest of time,

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Speaker 16: I'm going to go to the woman verse because actually

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Speaker 16: that hit me equally is hard and I'm not a woman.

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Speaker 16: Let's play cut one twenty women.

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Speaker 17: I have a challenge for you too, be virtuous. Our

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Speaker 17: strength is found in God's design for our role. We

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Speaker 17: are the guardians, we are the encouragers, we are the preservers.

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Speaker 7: Ard your heart.

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Speaker 3: Everything you do flows from it.

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Speaker 17: And if you're a mother, please recognize that is the

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Speaker 17: single most important ministry you have.

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Speaker 16: And then she goes on to say you are not

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Speaker 16: your husband's rival, and I just like when she said that,

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Speaker 16: I was like, ah, it was like she zeroed in

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Speaker 16: on this lie of our age. That is really I

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Speaker 16: think challenging not only marriages, but the formation of marriages.

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Speaker 9: Yes as well, and I would love to hear from

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Speaker 9: you on this appe.

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Speaker 13: Yes, I don't know if you remember this, but the

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Speaker 13: last face to face conversation that Charlie and I had

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Speaker 13: on this show was about his viral comments about Taylor

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Speaker 13: Swift needing to submit to her husband. Yes, and he

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Speaker 13: was like, come on, is this true? And of course

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Speaker 13: it's true. Fesians five is true and she just emulates

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Speaker 13: that so well. But her message there to women, especially

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Speaker 13: that you are not your husband's rival. And I just

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Speaker 13: want to encourage women to think about that, not just

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Speaker 13: in like the macro big picture, since because that's true,

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Speaker 13: you're meant to compliment one another. Wives submit to your

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Speaker 13: husband's husbands love their wives as christ love the Church,

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Speaker 13: but also in the micro sense, because when you're in

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Speaker 13: the midst of the newborn stage, when you're in difficult

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Speaker 13: seasons of life, that's when the rivalry comes out. That's

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Speaker 13: when Satan does his best work in Christian marriages. I'm

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Speaker 13: doing more than him, I'm doing this better. That kind

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Speaker 13: of dissension and division. Satan loves that. So remember in

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Speaker 13: the small moments that you are not your husband's rival,

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Speaker 13: you're not his enemy. You're not competing against him. You

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Speaker 13: are both trying to push the ball down the field

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Speaker 13: in the same direction. And someone told me that at

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Speaker 13: the beginning of my marriage. That's always what I tell newlyweds,

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Speaker 13: that you and your husband are on the same team

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Speaker 13: with the same goal. And if you think about that

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Speaker 13: in your day to day, that changes how you talk

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Speaker 13: to him, That changes how you treat him and how

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Speaker 13: you think about him.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's so true. Reminds me of the beginning of

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Speaker 1: creation when God says, I will make a helper suitable

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Speaker 1: for him. It's not good for man to be alone,

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Speaker 1: and he creates this team dynamic, and you can view

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Speaker 1: it as kind of two rails for a train to run.

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Speaker 1: And you need a home that has men who step

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Speaker 1: up and take the leadership role that God's given them,

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Speaker 1: do that in love, and women who embrace the role.

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Speaker 1: And you do have a ton of this Taylor Swift

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Speaker 1: kind of feminist culture saying you're so much more than

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Speaker 1: just a stay at home mom, You're so much more

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Speaker 1: than just a woman, You're so much more than just

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Speaker 1: a cook. And and they create these false dichotomies as

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Speaker 1: though a role that focuses primarily on the health and

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Speaker 1: home of the or the health and the home of

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Speaker 1: the children and the husband and embracing that is this

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Speaker 1: evil that's going to steal you from your true calling.

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Speaker 1: That's the lie. And then Satan can divide homes, divide marriages,

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Speaker 1: and now destroy the family, which puts us right back

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Speaker 1: where we were as a country and as a culture.

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Speaker 1: So I hope people can see the spiritual warfare all

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Speaker 1: well here.

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Speaker 16: And it's interesting too because of all the issues that

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Speaker 16: would get Charlie in the controversy of the news cycle

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Speaker 16: or whatever. It was always this male female dynamic, totally yeah.

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Speaker 16: And there was other ones like race would tend to

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Speaker 16: be in there, but the male female thing. And it's

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Speaker 16: curring to me now, Erica and Charlie's relationship was so

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Speaker 16: like kind of wonderful and pure and biblical. He was

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Speaker 16: too innocent to understand how people were going to criticize it.

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Speaker 16: I really believe that because when when you know, Erica

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Speaker 16: said to the men like, your wife is not your slave.

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Speaker 16: And here's Charlie Kirk every Saturday leaving a message for Erica,

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Speaker 16: a note. He would hand write a little note and

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Speaker 16: give it to her, and he would always end with how.

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Speaker 9: Can I serve you? Please let me know how I

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Speaker 9: can better serve you.

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Speaker 16: So Charlie wasn't even thinking like, hey, male and female

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Speaker 16: roles are different, obviously, you know, yeah, you gotta you know,

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Speaker 16: women submit to your to your husband's as you know.

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Speaker 16: And by the way, and because Charlie always had that

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Speaker 16: paradigm that you know, men you need to serve your

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Speaker 16: wives and sacrifice yourselves for your wives, just as Christ

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Speaker 16: sacrifice himself for his bride to church, and so Charlie

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Speaker 16: had that that image in his head every time. And

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Speaker 16: I'll never forget one of the last interviews he did

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Speaker 16: with Laura Ingram, she asked him about this, and I'll

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Speaker 16: never forget he goes, he goes, Okay, Laura, I'll do it.

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Speaker 16: But I always get like, everybody always comes after me

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Speaker 16: for this and poor guy because he's sitting here, like

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Speaker 16: speaking the truth, taking slings and arrows, and he was right, Yeah, he.

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Speaker 13: Couldn't have even considered because it's so not how their

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Speaker 13: relationship is that people thought that it means some kind

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Speaker 13: of exploitation or some kind of tyranny over your wife.

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Speaker 13: And the irony is here because you know, people have

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Speaker 13: called them all kinds of names, especially in the past

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Speaker 13: couple of weeks, Handmaid's Tale, blah blah blah. I'm like,

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Speaker 13: does it look like Charlie Kirk was scared of strong women?

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Speaker 13: Clearly like he didn't marry a shrinking violet. He was

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Speaker 13: not afraid of a woman's intellect and her wisdom and

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Speaker 13: her help and her coming alongside him. And I'm sure

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Speaker 13: as an advisor and all of these things, Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 13: champions in the right biblical way, these strong women like

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Speaker 13: his wife, and so it's just so ironic.

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Speaker 9: I've actually heard I'm glad you reminded me of this.

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Speaker 16: I've heard from multiple people that have been in and

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Speaker 16: around the office in the days hence, and it's I've

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Speaker 16: gotten this comment that you guys have so many strong

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Speaker 16: women that are helping lead, turning us say, we have

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Speaker 16: a lot of strong men, but we also have a

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Speaker 16: lot of strong women.

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Speaker 9: And people have mentioned to me, like, you know, this

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Speaker 9: is this is really quite the image interesting of the two.

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Speaker 16: You know, sex is really balancing each other out and

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Speaker 16: working together to pull off these amazing events.

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Speaker 13: Yea, and the right kind of strength too. It's like

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Speaker 13: you acknowledge their strength as image bearers of God, as

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Speaker 13: people have been given certain capacities and talents, while still

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Speaker 13: recognizing the very distinct differences between male fiah.

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Speaker 16: I mean, this show would not exist in its present

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Speaker 16: form without Daisy, who's a character sometimes on the show,

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Speaker 16: so the audience might know. But we'll be right back.

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Speaker 16: Got to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere, all right,

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Speaker 16: We are back. We're still rolling in the stream. I mean,

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Speaker 16: this is what's fun about having three people on the set,

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Speaker 16: the conversation will just keep going. And so I'm I

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Speaker 16: don't know if we've if we're ready to move on yet.

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Speaker 16: It's up to you, Ali, But I mean, we don't

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Speaker 16: have our radio audience at the moment, so it's up

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Speaker 16: to you if you want to like dive into I

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Speaker 16: think we.

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Speaker 9: Want to go to Romas thirteen. So obviously Erica.

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Speaker 16: And my personal experience because I sort of knew what

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Speaker 16: was about to happen, but even me having the foreknowledge

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Speaker 16: that this was about to happen, my flesh fought her,

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Speaker 16: saying that forgiving the killer and I actually, yeah, my

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Speaker 16: flesh didn't want her to do I had and I

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Speaker 16: saw some of the pushback online, people saying like I

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Speaker 16: could never do that, and even Trump was like, I'm

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Speaker 16: not forgiving, you know, I'm sorry, Charlie's mad at me.

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Speaker 9: He's looking dad. But I related to that.

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Speaker 16: But I also understood the profound importance of what she did.

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Speaker 16: And so you had this great tweet separating, you know,

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Speaker 16: God's justice and then government's justice, and then for the

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Speaker 16: aggrieved party, in which case this is Erica and the

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Speaker 16: power of forgiving.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and Costy will be able to speak into this

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Speaker 13: really well. But when Jesus is talking about turn the

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Speaker 13: other cheek, he's talking about our interpersonal relationships. He is

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Speaker 13: not negating the government's role in executing justice, because we

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Speaker 13: read in Romans thirteen that the government was instituted by

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Speaker 13: God to punish evil. The government does not bear the

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Speaker 13: sword in vain. And so it is not the government's

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Speaker 13: job to give grace and to forgive. Not to say

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Speaker 13: that there's no place for legal mercy in our system

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Speaker 13: at all, but the government, who is tasked at protecting

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Speaker 13: the most vulnerable and to honor God in defining right

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Speaker 13: and wrong how God defines it, has to punish evil. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: has to restraint evil. That's how we protect vulnerable people.

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Speaker 13: That's how we protect primarily women and children from violence

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Speaker 13: and bad guys. And God is a god of order.

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Speaker 13: We see that from the very beginning, that he placed

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Speaker 13: us not in a jungle but in a garden and

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Speaker 13: told us to work and to keep it. And we

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Speaker 13: see his ordering of things throughout creation and throughout scripture,

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Speaker 13: and the government is part of that order. And one

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Speaker 13: day we'll live in perfect peace and joy with Jesus.

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Speaker 13: But right now we're on earth with a lot of

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Speaker 13: sinners and there has to be something done about sin

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Speaker 13: to restrain evil. So we are relieved of that burden

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Speaker 13: of carrying out vengeance. Thank God. That is also another

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Speaker 13: beautiful thing about having a rightly ordered government. That is

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Speaker 13: not our job to be vigilantes, is not our job

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Speaker 13: to return violence for violence. So thank you Lord, Thank

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Speaker 13: you Jesus for taking that burden off of our shoulders

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Speaker 13: and then placing it on the shoulders of the government.

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Speaker 13: So people were trying to compare Steven Miller saying, you know,

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Speaker 13: we're gonna go after evil and Erica Kirk and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 13: those two things both exist. Government punishes the we forget yeap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's two really clear things that I think people

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Speaker 1: get confused a lot of the time. Forgiveness does not

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Speaker 1: mean there will be no justice. Forgiveness also is not reconciliation,

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Speaker 1: so very important. Forgiveness only takes one Okay, because forgiveness

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Speaker 1: define biblically is I am releasing you. So what Erica

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Speaker 1: did on Sunday, and no doubt she had done it

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Speaker 1: prior leading up to it, then said it publicly. Erica

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Speaker 1: had released Charlie's killer. She said, I release you that

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Speaker 1: does not mean they are released from justice and from consequence.

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Speaker 1: She's saying, in my heart, I will not hold this

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Speaker 1: against you. I will not let it eat me every day,

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Speaker 1: and I will not think about you and let you

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Speaker 1: hijack my life in bitterness, because bitterness destroys the soul.

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Speaker 1: So she says, I release you. It's not reconciliation. Reconciliation

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Speaker 1: takes two. If you and I have an issue, right, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is great, brother. You can forgive me, I can

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Speaker 1: forgive you, very important, But reconciliation takes. To reconciliation is

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Speaker 1: I confess and I repent, and I say I'm so

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Speaker 1: will you forgive me? And you say, oh, brother, COSTI

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Speaker 1: of course, look, I'm sorry though I repent. Will you

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Speaker 1: forgive me? And you forgive me, and I forgive you,

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Speaker 1: and together we release the issues.

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Speaker 9: This is so good.

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Speaker 16: You need those two counterpoints, like and I've thought about

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Speaker 16: this with like families, right, people that with really dysfunctional families.

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Speaker 16: And so you're the kid that grows up and your

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Speaker 16: parents are alcoholics or some sort of dysfunction. That's really

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Speaker 16: and there's probably a lot of people in the audience

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Speaker 16: that that's their reality and you know, you think, oh,

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Speaker 16: I have to be reconciling I'm a Christian with my parents.

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Speaker 16: Well not necessarily. There is and the Bible is very

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Speaker 16: clear about you need to respect your parents. But that

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Speaker 16: doesn't mean that you need to then let them into

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Speaker 16: your house every day or you have to hang out

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Speaker 16: at you know, family gatherings all of a sudden.

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Speaker 9: That is not what that means. It means releasing that burden.

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Speaker 9: I love the way that.

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Speaker 16: By the way, and that person holds no power over

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Speaker 16: you at that point, and I think that was what

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Speaker 16: Eric was doing.

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Speaker 9: She also said, I.

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Speaker 16: Want no blood on my ledger. I do not want

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Speaker 16: him on my ledger. I'm giving this to the Lord.

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Speaker 16: I don't want to hold hatred of you. And I

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Speaker 16: thought that was really beautiful too, because she said I

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Speaker 16: want nothing getting in the way of me seeing my

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Speaker 16: husband in heaven.

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Speaker 9: I think that's really amazing.

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Speaker 16: So we're gonna welcome back radio and just one second,

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Speaker 16: don't go anywhere, all right, Welcome back to the Charlie

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Speaker 16: Kirk Show. I am joined by Pastor Costey got It

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Speaker 16: and Ali Bethstucky, one of Charlie's dear friends. And you

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Speaker 16: were always such a great supporter of Charlie and his mission, Ali,

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Speaker 16: and I really do want to give you a hat tip.

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Speaker 16: I think there is this part of scripture where it

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Speaker 16: says he who receives a prophet receives a prophet's reward,

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Speaker 16: and I don't know that I ever fully understood that,

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Speaker 16: But then I see kind of what's happening in the aftermath,

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Speaker 16: and I really do believe Charlie was a prophet who

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Speaker 16: called the nations to repent. I didn't travel with him

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Speaker 16: to England or South Korea, Japan, these last national trips

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Speaker 16: he came or he went on, but I was talking

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Speaker 16: about with Blake, one of our producers, and it's so

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Speaker 16: clear to me now he was going into these nations

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Speaker 16: and calling them to repent. And when he was in

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Speaker 16: Japan he shared the Gospel as well. And when Seoul

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Speaker 16: there was much of the audience was Christian and they

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Speaker 16: just showered him in prayer, and just like days before

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Speaker 16: his death, he was just absorbing this beautiful prayer. And

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Speaker 16: he got off the stage and Mikey said, you know,

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Speaker 16: it was one of the few times he saw Charlie emotional. Wow,

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Speaker 16: just absorbing all these Korean's prayers.

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Speaker 9: But in general.

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Speaker 16: When he went to the UK, he was calling the

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Speaker 16: UK to repent, like remember yourself, remember yourself, and in Japan,

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Speaker 16: like you know, there's all this promise for you, come

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Speaker 16: know Jesus right, But that's what he did, and he

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Speaker 16: went around America college campus is selling kids to repent,

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Speaker 16: calling the culture to repent and to confront evil and

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Speaker 16: confront lies.

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Speaker 9: And he never really had to do that with you, Ali,

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01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 9: and that was a relief for him.

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Speaker 16: And I knew that he just knew that you had

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Speaker 16: this spine of steel in you, that you were so

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Speaker 16: rock solid in your faith and in your values that

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01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 16: you would not be moved by the waves, by crashing waves.

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Speaker 16: You were not double minded, and he knew that very well,

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01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 16: very well about you.

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01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 13: Charlie was such an encourager after I shared this with

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 13: my audience. But when Charlie got shot, I called our

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01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 13: mutual friend because I got a text. I was all

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01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 13: my way to doctor's appointment and I got a text

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 13: that Charlie Kirk has gotten shot. And I was like, no,

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01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 13: that's not real, or maybe you know he got shot

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01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 13: in the arm. But I called our mutual friend and

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01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 13: I was like, is this true? This person's crying. This

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01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 13: person is like I do yes, it's true, and we

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01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 13: just like hung up the phone. I am like I

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 13: can't believe it. And I called my dad and I'm crying.

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Speaker 13: He's in Ireland. I'm like sabbing, and because at that

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01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 13: point I had heard that he shot in the neck

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01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,600
Speaker 13: or the head and I didn't know, and I was like,

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Speaker 13: that's it. I was like, I'm done. I'm done. I'm

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01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 13: not doing this anymore. I can't.

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Speaker 7: I can't do this.

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Speaker 13: And my dad, who was so levelheaded, he was like,

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01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 13: you know, after all of this clears, you've got to think.

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Speaker 13: Of course, you know, what is Jesus calling you to do?

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01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 13: But also like what would Charlie tell you to do?

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 13: And I went through our texts. You know, he always

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01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 13: texted so many people encouragement. And there was one time

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01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 13: I did not have a binus deal. I was really

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01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,560
Speaker 13: anxious about this article that had been written about me

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 13: in the Atlantic and it was kind of good but

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01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 13: then also like kind of mean, and I had, you know, all.

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 9: These hate messages.

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, and Charlie had texted me. He just how he

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01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 13: even had time to like follow all these things and

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01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 13: do all of this. But he texted me a link

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01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 13: to the article when I was in the midst of like, oh,

1551
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 13: this backlash is hard, and he was like, what an honor?

1552
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 13: And he just said, keep slugging. And I've thought about

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01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 13: that phrase so much over the past two weeks. Keep

1554
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 13: slugging and you know the risks I takes a wife

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 13: and mom, what you know, this calling looks like for

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01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 13: me is not going to be the same as Charlie.

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01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 13: It's it's just not I don't have the same capacity.

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01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 13: I don't have the same calling, not in the same

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01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,560
Speaker 13: exact like you know, season of responsibilities. But all of

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01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 13: us stay at home moms, employees, students are called to

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01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 13: take risks for the gospel. Yes, we are all called

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01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 13: to be bold for the Gospel. And I don't know

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01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 13: exactly what that looks like for every single person, but

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01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,560
Speaker 13: that's one thing that Charlie taught me. And if I

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01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 13: had a spine of steel, a lot of it was

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01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 13: because of Charlie. Because Charlie said the hard things first

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 13: before the rest of us. And you know, if Charlie

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01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 13: said is like okay, Charlie said, we can all say

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01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 13: it now.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he had an ability to sort of like hold

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Speaker 9: that middle ground.

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Speaker 16: Of course, the left thought he was like far right,

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01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 16: and it was interesting in the days afterwards, everybody that

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01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 16: knew what they were talking about.

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Speaker 9: I was like, Charlie was like a kind of a centrist,

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 9: like he was a moderate at least he wasn't a centrist.

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01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 9: He's a conservative, like rock rib conservative, but us all together.

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Speaker 16: But what it's almost like he took the actual far

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01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 16: right and the moderates and kind of gave everybody this

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01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 16: north star that was that was actually like the same

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01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:13,719
Speaker 16: middle of the right. And so when he would choose

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01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 16: to speak out on something, it did have this he

1583
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 16: was the icebreaker and breaking through the sheet of ice

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01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 16: so that the ships behind him could go and do

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 16: what they needed to do.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and that was really special. It'll be interesting to see,

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01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 13: you know what it looks like. But I think subconsciously

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 13: a lot of us, like in the conservative commentary space,

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01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 13: took I mean, we just looked to Charlie, not directly

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01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 13: taking marching orders. He wasn't texting us telling us what

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01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 13: to say or do, ever, but he was such an

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01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 13: example that we really did all look to him, like

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01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 13: we all followed him. It was like, okay, this person's

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01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 13: invited to turning point. Then they've been given a little

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01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 13: bit of just like a validity stamp that their ideas

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01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 13: at least are worth listening to, because Charlie's listening to them.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 16: Well, we're going to take a quick break even on

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01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 16: the stream, because we're going to get Cameron ready with

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01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 16: the tech and we're going to we're gonna have him

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01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 16: join us remote.

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01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 9: So don't go anywhere. We will be right back more

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01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:08,839
Speaker 9: with the Charlie Kirkship.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to.

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01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 19: This Real America's Voice news break on Terrence Bates. The

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 19: Trump administration is warning pregnant women against taking Thailand.

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01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 15: All, effective immediately.

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01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 21: The FDA will be notifying physicians at the use of

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01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 21: I said, well, let's see how we say that, I said,

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01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 21: menifin afin, I said, okay, which is basically commonly known

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01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 21: as Thailand all during pregnancy can be associated with a

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01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 21: very increased risk of autism.

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 15: So taking tile and all is not good.

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01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,480
Speaker 19: President Trump points out that autism rates have increased exponentially

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01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 19: in the last few decades. He points to statistics excuse me,

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01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 19: showing that one in ten thousand children had autism just

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01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 19: a few decades ago. Today that number is at one

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01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 19: in thirty one. A government shut down is looming, as

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01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 19: we're about a week away from the fifteenth partial shutdown

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01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 19: since nineteen eighty one. Funding to keep the government open

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01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 19: is set to run out September thirtieth, on less a

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01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,560
Speaker 19: short term or longer term funding bill has passed. The

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01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 19: Republican led House has already passed its version of a

1624
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 19: continuing resolution that would extend funding for the government through

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Speaker 19: November twenty first. The measure failed in the Senate, though,

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Speaker 19: and senators aren't scheduled to return to Washington until hours

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Speaker 19: before the government runs out of money. House Republicans are

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01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 19: blaming Senate my Norty leader Chuck Schumer.

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01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 22: I predict he will shut the government down.

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Speaker 24: It will be the Schumer shut down for about a

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01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 24: week or so, to kind of prove that he still

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01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 24: has a little muscle, and then the business will be

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01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:14,799
Speaker 24: about reopening the government.

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01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 22: What will they want in return to open the government.

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01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 24: We're not giving them anything they want when it comes

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01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 24: to added putting illegal aliens back on Medicaid.

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Speaker 22: But it's always tougher to open back up the government

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01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 22: that it is to shut it down. I will tell

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01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 22: you that, and typically Republicans get the blame for that.

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01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 9: Not this time around.

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01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 19: This is obviously a developing story that will continue to

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01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 19: cover for you here in Real America's voice. That's a

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 19: quick check of your headlines.

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Speaker 1: The voice of Generations is that Charlie Kirk Show.

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01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 9: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 16: His empty chair is there, and it's it's interesting because

1647
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 16: it's almost become like a pilgrimage. You know, a lot

1648
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 16: of our friends want to take pictures and remember him

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01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 16: and keep.

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01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 9: This moment and the chair.

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01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 16: I've said it a few times this week, but since

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01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 16: you guys probably haven't heard it. It was a really

1653
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 16: funny story. We tried on like it was like thirteen

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01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 16: different chairs, and he kept saying nope, nope, because Charlie

1655
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 16: had a really bad back. Oh yeah, he ran a

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01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,560
Speaker 16: ton when he was young. So when he was just

1657
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 16: starting turning, boy, that was his outlet to get all

1658
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 16: the energy out. He would just run for like seven

1659
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 16: to ten miles and but then he would get on

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01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 16: a plane and fly for five hours, and then he'd

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01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 16: do it again the next day. And eventually, just like

1662
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 16: something something happened with one of the desks, and so

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01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 16: he had a bad back and he hated most chairs

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01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 16: when we would do media rows and he had to

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01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 16: sit in these chairs that he didn't like. I mean,

1666
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 16: he'd always go, oh, my back, And so we finally

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01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 16: got him the shack chair because he joked he's like

1668
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 16: a nephlem. He was so huge, and he loved this

1669
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 16: chair and it was probably the cheapest of any of

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01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 16: the versions that we got, probably like Target, but it

1671
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 16: was made for big people. And so it makes me

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01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 16: smile every time I see it because you know, we

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01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 16: had the studios in a different place and we brought

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01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 16: the chair, you know. Anyways, but anyway, you have another

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 16: special guest that is joining us right now, so.

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Speaker 9: That floor is yours.

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Speaker 23: Aali.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I love Kirk Cameron. I'm so excited to talk

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01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 13: to you. Kirk. You have been talking about Revival for

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01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 13: a really long time. Do we have Kirk ready to go? Okay,

1681
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 13: you've been talking about revival for a long time and

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01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 13: what revival looks like. You've been posted about that on

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01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 13: social media, So I just want to hear first, like,

1684
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 13: what's your take on what you've seen in the state

1685
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 13: of the spiritual world over the past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me. I feel so deeply

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01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 3: honored to be with both of you right now and

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01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,919
Speaker 3: with that empty chair. Wow, I am. I'm very excited

1689
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 3: because when I think of the wicked evil that took

1690
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 3: place in front of all of our eyes, I can't

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01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 3: help but ask myself the question, how is this an

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01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 3: essential part of the story. And the story I'm talking

1693
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 3: about is the story of redemptive history. The author of

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01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 3: life is writing a story, and in some of those

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01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 3: chapters it's an absolute nail biter one of I mean,

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01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 3: there's been many throughout the ages where you have good men,

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01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 3: faithful men, and women being martyred and sacrificed for their

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01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 3: convictions and for the truth, and you look at those

1699
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 3: things and you think, surely God didn't want that to happen.

1700
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 3: Surely he was on coffee break. Surely this was not

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01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 3: part of the plan. And yet we read in the

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01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 3: scriptures that Jesus going to the cross was the plan

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01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 3: to result in the salvation of millions and billions of

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01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: people around the world. And every martyr that has shed

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01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 3: his blood has resulted in revivals personally and in families,

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01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 3: in communities, and in nations, and I know that behind

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01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 3: the curtain, God is working miracles. Even though we don't

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01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 3: understand it and know the details, we can trust that

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01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: what he says is true. He's working all things together

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01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 3: for good, for those who love him and for those

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01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 3: who are called according to His purposes. And it's always

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01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 3: at these moments when all hope seems lost, when it's

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01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 3: against all odds, that God uses the seemingly foolish and

1714
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 3: weak things of the world to turn things around. And

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01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: that's what Charlie was all about. He's using the hearts

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01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 3: and minds of young people on college campuses that have

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01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: now been lit on fire. And now there's millions of Charlie's.

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01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 3: They're all saying, we are Charlie Kirk, we are Charlie Kirk.

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01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 3: We are carrying on the message. We're carrying on your tour,

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01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,520
Speaker 3: carrying on your podcast. And it reminds me of Chertullian

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01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 3: in the second century, who said, when you mow us down,

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Speaker 3: you only make us spread, because our blood is like seed.

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Speaker 3: And that's where we get the phrase the blood of

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Speaker 3: the martyrs is the seed of the church. Yes, so

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Speaker 3: I feel the rumblings of revival under my feet in

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Speaker 3: so many ways, and this event with Charlie has just

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01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 3: poured gasoline onto the fire for millions of people around

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01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 16: Yes, absolutely well, and I'm sorry you just made me

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01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 16: think of what Mikey McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff said

1731
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 16: at the event. He quoted Kirkgard and he said, the

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01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 16: tyrant dies and his rule is over. The martyr dies

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Speaker 16: and his rule begins. And I think there's probably a

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01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 16: few ways that I don't know if that's the direct

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01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 16: translation Mikey used or not, but it really is.

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Speaker 9: It gets this idea of the martyr. Blood of the

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01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 9: martyrs is the seed of the church.

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Speaker 16: And I will tell you from the numbers that we're

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01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 16: seeing at campus inquiries to start new TPU SA chapters

1740
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 16: to the you know, our friend Tyler went to church

1741
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 16: and they they started baptizing people in the fountains out

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01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 16: in the parking lot, you know, so exactly ahead.

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Speaker 3: It's just so exciting, right. I freaked out when I

1744
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 3: was I wasn't able to go to the memorial service,

1745
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 3: but as I was watching it, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: I've never heard I've heard these are world leaders sharing

1747
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 3: more about their faith in Jesus Christ. This was like

1748
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 3: a Billy Graham Crusade revival meeting on a massive scale

1749
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 3: all around the world. I've never seen anything like it.

1750
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 3: And you know, I thought of this the other day.

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01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, if if Charlie and other saints

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01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 3: in Heaven have a portal through which they can watch us,

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01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,799
Speaker 3: I can just imagine him just smiling with that iconic

1754
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 3: grin that he has, you know. And I don't know

1755
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 3: how it all works up there in the great balcony

1756
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 3: of heaven, but I can just imagine him lifting a

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01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 3: glass at a great banquet table in the presence of

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01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 3: all of history's heroes and his heroes of the faith,

1759
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 3: and quoting Ephesians three twenty, saying, and now look at this,

1760
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 3: and now to him who is able to do exceedingly,

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01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 3: abundantly beyond all we could ever ask or imagine, according

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Speaker 3: to the great power that is at work within us,

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Speaker 3: All to him be glory in the Church and throughout

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Speaker 3: all generations, forever and ever. Amen, and a kid, I

1765
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Speaker 3: I could just picture it in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yes fires, yes fires.

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Speaker 13: So we know one thing about this is that Satan

1768
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 13: doesn't go down without a fight, and he's already defeated.

1769
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,719
Speaker 13: Jesus has already won, and yet he's doing his darnedest.

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Speaker 13: There's this quote, I'm sure you know it by C. S.

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01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 13: Lewis that says there's no neutral ground in all of

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Speaker 13: the universe. Every spare second, every square inch has been

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Speaker 13: claimed by Christ or counterclaimed by Satan. And to me,

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Speaker 13: I mean the day that Charlie was assassinated, it was like, Okay,

1775
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 13: there's Satan gained some ground. It certainly feels sometimes like

1776
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 13: this is a losing battle, even though I know that's

1777
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 13: not true. Can you tell us how we should be

1778
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 13: thinking about the reality of spiritual warfare right now? A

1779
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 13: lot of people are thinking about Ephesian six. We don't

1780
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 13: wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, the

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01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 13: powers of darkness. What should we be thinking about that

1782
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 13: realm right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, the thank you for asking my opinion. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not a credential theologian on this topic, although I

1785
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 3: have really strong opinions about it just by reading the Bible.

1786
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 3: And I think that if Christians actually understood who we

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01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 3: are in Christ and where we are positionally covenantally with Christ,

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01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 3: seated with Him in the heavenly places, ruling and reigning

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01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 3: together with the Trinity over the nations of the Earth.

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01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:08,879
Speaker 3: People wouldn't be so concerned about spiritual forces of darkness.

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01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 3: And here's what I think helps. One of my favorite

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Speaker 3: scripture passages is in John chapter twelve. And you look

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01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 3: there at verses thirty one and thirty two, and Jesus said,

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01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 3: now is the judgment of this world? You think, wait

1795
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 3: a minute. John three sixteen says Jesus didn't come into

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01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 3: the world to judge the world, but that the world

1797
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 3: through him might be saved. But listen to what he's saying.

1798
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 3: He's saying, now is the judgment of this world, this

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01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 3: evil world system, and the ruler of this world shall

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Speaker 3: be cast down from where the from. He was, the

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Speaker 3: prince of the power of the air.

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Speaker 17: He was.

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Speaker 3: In the heavenly places. But he's being cast down. He says,

1804
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 3: now is the time for that. And when I am

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01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 3: lifted up from the earth, speaking of the manner in

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01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 3: which he would die on a cross, I will draw

1807
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 3: all people to myself. So he is describing a massive

1808
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:04,799
Speaker 3: covenantal power shift in the heavenly realms, in the heavenly places,

1809
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 3: this cosmic war results in Jesus declaring, all authority now

1810
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 3: has been given to me, both in heaven and on earth.

1811
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 3: So ask yourself, if all authority, not some, but all

1812
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 3: has been given to Jesus, both in heaven and on earth,

1813
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 3: how much authority does that leave for Satan zero? And

1814
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 3: he says he has the keys to the kingdom. The

1815
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 3: death blow has been dealt. The serpent's head has been crushed.

1816
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 3: He's overcome death and the grave and the power of hell.

1817
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 3: He came to destroy the works of the devil. He said,

1818
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 3: it is finished. He has risen, he has seated next

1819
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 3: to the Father and deployed the Holy Spirit. And now

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01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 3: he says, go into all of the world, Disciple, all

1821
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 3: the nations. Teach them to obey all that I've commanded,

1822
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 3: and I'll be with you to the end of the age.

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Speaker 3: In my understanding, my vernacular summary is boys, it's go time.

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01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 3: You know the place. Let's go win this together. On

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01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 3: three and then you see the missionary movements to the

1826
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 3: ends of the earth. And I don't believe for a

1827
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 3: second that we're fighting for victory during a sad time.

1828
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 3: I believe that these are exciting times and we are

1829
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 3: fighting from victory, and if we understood that, we could

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01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 3: change things in short order politically, economically, in our families

1831
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: and marriages, in our churches, and we could begin to

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01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: heavenize this earth like nobody's ever seen before.

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Speaker 13: That's so great.

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Speaker 16: I love that phrase you used, by the way, because

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01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 16: it feels true, you know, on a very deep level,

1836
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 16: the power shift.

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Speaker 9: You were talking about.

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Speaker 16: Jesus on the cross, but we were also just talking

1839
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 16: about the blood of the martyrs, and there is a

1840
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 16: power shift that I can feel in the heavenly realms

1841
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 16: here on earth, and you can see it when we

1842
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 16: have our nation's most powerful leaders, including Don Junior, which

1843
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 16: still you know, blows me away. I think it blew

1844
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 16: down away what he did. But he we have our

1845
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 16: the most powerful leaders in the world, in the free world,

1846
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 16: preaching the gospel better than some pastors, you know, in

1847
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 16: front of a hundred million live streams.

1848
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Speaker 3: Well, because you know, and I think that that is

1849
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 3: motivated and sharpened by watching a man who is an

1850
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 3: archetype of courage like Charlie Kirk. We're seeing somebody live

1851
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 3: for us in real time what we say we believe.

1852
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: And the problem is we have such people pleasing seeker

1853
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 3: sensitive so called churches that are all about promoting a

1854
01:37:54,120 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 3: Jesus that soothes and never saves. And Jesus Jesus said,

1855
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 3: if anyone wants to come after me, you need to

1856
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 3: deny yourself. You need to take up your cross and

1857
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 3: follow me. And that's the kind of life Charlie wanted

1858
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 3: to live. And I personally believe that that came into

1859
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 3: sharper focus and was fueled with rocket fuel more and

1860
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 3: more over the last five years with Charlie, and I'm

1861
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 3: hearing other people say the same thing because of his death.

1862
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 3: I mean jd Vance, our vice president, said, I've talked

1863
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 3: more about my faith in Jesus in the last two

1864
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 3: weeks than I have in the last ten years of

1865
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 3: public life.

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Speaker 9: And Kirk, that was an ad lib. It wasn't in

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01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 9: a speech. He just threw it in the was moved

1868
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 9: by the spirit to say it. He told me that backstage, Yeah,

1869
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Speaker 9: I will one second and take a quick break.

1870
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Speaker 1: Kurt will be right back. I just did an interview

1871
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: with Jeff Durbin.

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Speaker 9: We're going to keep going with the stream because Kirk

1873
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 9: Cameron is on one. He's he's got he's preaching. Yeah,

1874
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 9: keep going don't let me cut you off, my friend.

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01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Oh, I was just going to say that I was

1876
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 3: blown away by Tucker Carlson. You know, it's not often

1877
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 3: that we hear news types and journalists and and and

1878
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 3: people who are not necessarily professional Christians come out and

1879
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 3: be so bold in their faith. And I was like, man,

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01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 3: Tucker is laying it down. I mean, for those of

1881
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 3: us who kind of sort of thought that maybe Tucker

1882
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 3: was was familiar in a in a traditional kind of

1883
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 3: way with Christianity, I was like, no, he's talking about repentance.

1884
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he's saying the things that many, many, many

1885
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 3: professional Christians don't.

1886
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Speaker 22: Really want to say.

1887
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Speaker 3: And he says it starts with with us, with me.

1888
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 3: I mean, repentance is the hard work of plowing up

1889
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 3: the ground and removing the stones of sin, preparing the

1890
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 3: soil for the Gospel to go down and change you

1891
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 3: into a new kind of person.

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Speaker 19: Uh.

1893
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Speaker 3: It's not about pointing fingers and say it's them. It's them,

1894
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 3: He's saying, Charlie started with it's me, it's us. We

1895
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 3: need to not play the same sick games as sad,

1896
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 3: broken lost people who need Jesus. We need to be

1897
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 3: transformed and change the way that we think, download the

1898
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 3: mind of Christ through scripture, and then be empowered by

1899
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit to sacrifice and pay the price to

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01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 3: be brave. And the price is you don't get to

1901
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 3: be a bser. If you're going to go out there

1902
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 3: and be courageous enough to call things what God calls them,

1903
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 3: like Charlie did, you're also going to be called to

1904
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 3: see if you're bluffing. And Charlie wasn't bluffing. He was

1905
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 3: willing to pay the price and sacrifice comfort, pleasure, power, influence,

1906
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 3: even though he had those things which are not bad

1907
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 3: things in and of themselves, but when they become ultimate

1908
01:40:56,200 --> 01:41:00,520
Speaker 3: things for politicians and religious people, that then becomes idolatry

1909
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 3: and what God hates. What Charlie did was he was

1910
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 3: just living out his convictions and he was willing to

1911
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 3: lay it all on the line and said he wasn't

1912
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 3: afraid because he knew that he was bulletproof until the

1913
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 3: Lord called him home and his work was done. And

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01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 3: I loved what JD. Vance said. He said, you fought

1915
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 3: a good fight. We've got it from here, and that's

1916
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 3: been my battle call ever since I heard him say that.

1917
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 13: So good. Kirk your sister Candace has told this story,

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01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 13: I think on the stage of my conference here the Eros,

1919
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 13: and maybe on my show too. She was going through

1920
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 13: a hard time where she was getting sound kind of

1921
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 13: pushback for something and she says that you texted her

1922
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 13: welcome to the James One Club. Can you explain what

1923
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 13: that means. We got a lot of people who are

1924
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 13: newly emboldened or new Christians. They're not used to being

1925
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 13: persecuted and called names for their faith, and they're like,

1926
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 13: what the heck did I get myself into? What's the

1927
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 13: James One Club?

1928
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Speaker 9: And we have one minute till we welcome back?

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Speaker 16: Right, So if we need if this is a bigger story,

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Speaker 16: I don't want it to get cut off because we

1931
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Speaker 16: have our final radio segment, and so up to you

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Speaker 16: how you want to handle.

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Speaker 9: You want to tease it for radio and then we'll.

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Speaker 3: Go for it, teach it for radio. I need to

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Speaker 3: go back and read James One. I can't remember what.

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Speaker 13: Oh, No, trials, trials of many jo my.

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Speaker 1: Brethren, you encounter various your faith endurance.

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Speaker 16: The Lord prompted me to give you a quick out there,

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Speaker 16: you know. But hey, by the way, let's let's take

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Speaker 16: a quick Break and Welcome Back Radio.

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Speaker 9: But it was funny. Something just occurs to me.

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Speaker 16: You were saying, well, I'm not a theologian and we're

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Speaker 16: asking you about the powers of darkness and the you know,

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Speaker 16: we don't war against flesh and blood, And I.

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Speaker 9: Was like, he lives in Hollywood? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 9: You are the expert in uh in this topic. So

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Speaker 9: you know, for what it's worth you have, you have

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Speaker 9: a lot of authority.

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Speaker 1: On a lot of issues, and the game a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: answer you preach.

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Speaker 9: So I'm going to give you an out. Go read

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Speaker 9: James One.

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Speaker 16: We're going to welcome back Radio in about twenty segments.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 7: M oh.

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Speaker 9: I love that song welcome back to the last segment.

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Speaker 9: It goes fast, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: So fast?

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Speaker 9: So fast? And such great friends and new friends.

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Speaker 13: Pastor, I know you didn't know you were going to

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Speaker 13: stick around this whole time.

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Speaker 16: I love it and so so you prompted him, so

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Speaker 16: start the question and for radio, and that's how we're

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Speaker 16: going to end the show.

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Speaker 9: What is James One?

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Speaker 17: Right?

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Speaker 22: Okay?

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Speaker 13: Can you just you know it verbatim? Trials of many kinds?

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Speaker 13: Can you tell us what James one says costume.

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Speaker 1: Yes, James is preparing Christians for suffering. They're spread out everywhere.

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Speaker 1: He says, considered all joy, my brethren. When you encounter

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Speaker 1: various trials knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance,

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Speaker 1: then there's this line, let endurance have its perfect result,

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Speaker 1: meaning it's going to do something to you. So pass

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Speaker 1: the baton over to our firewall preacher.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, how do people give people some encouragement that are

1977
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Speaker 13: dealing maybe for the first time persecution, pushback for being

1978
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Speaker 13: bold for their faith, probably with.

1979
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Speaker 9: Their families too.

1980
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Speaker 16: Yeah, that there's a lot of people that their families

1981
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Speaker 16: are looking them like, Oh, You're not really going to

1982
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Speaker 16: become a Christian because of Charlie Kirk, are you?

1983
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Speaker 9: I bet that's happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to become a Communist because of AOC.

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Speaker 15: That's better.

1986
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Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of comments is that? I mean people.

1987
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Speaker 3: I think the trouble that we have is that as

1988
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Speaker 3: human beings is that I think God made us as

1989
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Speaker 3: relational people and we want to be in community with people.

1990
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Speaker 3: The problem is we're so concerned about people pleasing that

1991
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Speaker 3: we seek the approval of people rather than the approval

1992
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Speaker 3: of God. And we were designed to to look to

1993
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Speaker 3: God for our worth and our value, not to the

1994
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Speaker 3: applause of our friends and our followers. And we live

1995
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Speaker 3: in a culture that has just steeped us in that

1996
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Speaker 3: that we're so soaked in it, where we're absolutely intoxicated

1997
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Speaker 3: with people giving us thumbs up and high fives and

1998
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Speaker 3: add a boy, and way to go. And if people

1999
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Speaker 3: turn on us, cancel us, we're just crushed. Our little

2000
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Speaker 3: mini kingdoms just fall apart. And so I would say

2001
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Speaker 3: that what we need to do is recognize that if

2002
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Speaker 3: we really are who God says we are, if we

2003
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Speaker 3: are made in His image, we have been set free

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Speaker 3: from sin, We've been filled with His spirit, We've been

2005
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Speaker 3: reconciled to God, restored to our mission, and through the Gospel,

2006
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Speaker 3: all things can be made new. Then, my goodness, I've

2007
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Speaker 3: got a reason to live. And I've got to have

2008
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Speaker 3: the ability to be rejected by people. And when you

2009
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Speaker 3: see people like Charlie who model that for us, or

2010
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Speaker 3: the Apostle Paul who models that for us, or Costi

2011
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Speaker 3: who models that for us, or Ali Beth who models

2012
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Speaker 3: that for us, and others throughout history, you say, let's go.

2013
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Speaker 3: I mean, when you watch. Why we watch Braveheart over

2014
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Speaker 3: and over and over, how many times you've seen it?

2015
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Speaker 3: How many times you're going to watch The Patriot?

2016
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Speaker 22: Why do we do that?

2017
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Speaker 3: Because these are people who faced pressure at great cost

2018
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Speaker 3: to themselves, but they were driven by their convictions and

2019
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Speaker 3: by their faith in ultimate things that matter, and this

2020
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Speaker 3: gives us reason to live. I want to share one

2021
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Speaker 3: quick story, and this is the story of a of

2022
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Speaker 3: an Asian saint in the in the year four hundred AD.

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Speaker 3: His name is Telemachus, and he traveled to Rome and

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Speaker 3: went to see the gladiatorial games in the Colosseum. And

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Speaker 3: when he walked in and saw that these men were

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Speaker 3: killing each other for sport to the wild enthusiasm of

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Speaker 3: the entertained audience, he was horrified. Something rose up within him,

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Speaker 3: both anger and compassion for these people that he leapt

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Speaker 3: into the arena itself and demanded, pleaded with the fighters

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Speaker 3: to stop their killing. And the audience was enraged that

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Speaker 3: he interrupted their entertainment, and they stoned him themselves right

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Speaker 3: on the spot, and the sand soaked up Telemacus's blood.

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Speaker 3: But the Emperor Flavius Honorius was so rattled, so shaken

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Speaker 3: to the core by this Christian man's compassion and his

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Speaker 3: courage that he ended the gladiatorial games forever they were

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Speaker 3: banned and they never came back. His courage and his

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Speaker 3: death was a turning point in Rome. And I believe

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Speaker 3: Charlie is a modern day Telemachus and his death is

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Speaker 3: a turning point in America.

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Speaker 13: Wow. Amen, what a perfect note to end on. Kirk Cameron,

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Speaker 13: thank you so much. Thank you for bringing it, and

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Speaker 13: thank you to the Lord for speaking through all of

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Speaker 13: these people. The Gospel has been shared. God has been

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Speaker 13: glorified today. Thank you for being a part of it.

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Speaker 3: Kirk Amen, Thank you appreciate all of you. Keep up

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Speaker 3: the great work.

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Speaker 13: Likewise, thank you goes quick, it really does.

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Speaker 9: That was fun. Thank you for preaching the gospel.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 9: Thanks you are the perfect person to be here.

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Speaker 13: Ali and God, thank you.

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Speaker 16: Thank you for your faithful friendship to Charlie and to

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Speaker 16: turning point. And we'll see you again soon. Yes, thanks

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Speaker 16: so much, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: The says most

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Speaker 17: Kids us