1 00:00:14,836 --> 00:00:29,516 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi, I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlow Thomas, and 2 00:00:29,636 --> 00:00:32,556 Speaker 1: we're going on a series of double dates to find 3 00:00:32,596 --> 00:00:40,476 Speaker 1: out what makes a marriage last. It's hard to think 4 00:00:40,476 --> 00:00:43,236 Speaker 1: of a couple who we've taken to our hearts more 5 00:00:43,276 --> 00:00:47,156 Speaker 1: than actors Michael J. Fox and Tracy Pollen. They learned 6 00:00:47,156 --> 00:00:49,316 Speaker 1: early on what most of us take a lot longer 7 00:00:49,356 --> 00:00:53,156 Speaker 1: to realize that marriage is a day to day journey 8 00:00:53,196 --> 00:00:57,476 Speaker 1: of love and grid. They lived just walking distance from us, 9 00:00:57,756 --> 00:01:00,316 Speaker 1: so it was really disappointing that I still had the 10 00:01:00,356 --> 00:01:03,436 Speaker 1: flu on the date we were scheduled to visit them. 11 00:01:03,436 --> 00:01:06,236 Speaker 1: Marlow had to go at solo and they really miss 12 00:01:06,236 --> 00:01:09,316 Speaker 1: seeing you. It's funny with a small world this is. 13 00:01:09,476 --> 00:01:12,516 Speaker 1: It turns out that many years ago Michael and Tracy 14 00:01:12,556 --> 00:01:15,476 Speaker 1: had rented the very same apartment that we had once rented, 15 00:01:15,876 --> 00:01:18,116 Speaker 1: and now here we are all living on the same street. 16 00:01:18,476 --> 00:01:20,156 Speaker 1: You know, on a good day, you could probably hit 17 00:01:20,156 --> 00:01:22,916 Speaker 1: a golf ball onto their balcony. Well, actually that would 18 00:01:22,956 --> 00:01:26,276 Speaker 1: take an iron. But beyond our neighborhood, we share a 19 00:01:26,276 --> 00:01:29,676 Speaker 1: lot in common. I started by asking them about their 20 00:01:29,796 --> 00:01:32,396 Speaker 1: dating before they met. I know, you dated a lot 21 00:01:32,436 --> 00:01:35,076 Speaker 1: of interesting people, and you dated a lot I've reading 22 00:01:35,116 --> 00:01:37,996 Speaker 1: about you. You had a lot of handsome, beautiful people 23 00:01:38,036 --> 00:01:42,796 Speaker 1: in your lives, but you you clicked and so how 24 00:01:42,796 --> 00:01:44,996 Speaker 1: did you know this was the right person? Well, it's 25 00:01:45,036 --> 00:01:47,596 Speaker 1: interesting you say that. You know, when you're younger, you 26 00:01:48,276 --> 00:01:50,516 Speaker 1: go out with a lot of people, but you kind 27 00:01:50,556 --> 00:01:53,436 Speaker 1: of know instantly this isn't the right person. And so 28 00:01:54,076 --> 00:01:55,996 Speaker 1: you're thinking in the back of your mind, you're thinking, 29 00:01:56,196 --> 00:01:57,996 Speaker 1: this is fine. How do I get out of it? Right? 30 00:01:58,596 --> 00:02:01,236 Speaker 1: And and then you meet somewhere in New y this 31 00:02:01,396 --> 00:02:02,996 Speaker 1: is it's fun. I don't want to ever get out 32 00:02:02,996 --> 00:02:05,436 Speaker 1: of this. And then there's a leap of faith at 33 00:02:05,476 --> 00:02:08,516 Speaker 1: that point, also because you're so young. When I first 34 00:02:08,556 --> 00:02:10,716 Speaker 1: met a shoe she sted actress from New York, and 35 00:02:10,756 --> 00:02:16,396 Speaker 1: I was just like, like Prince of Hollywood, idiot, you 36 00:02:16,996 --> 00:02:19,356 Speaker 1: clown and then um and and there's just such a 37 00:02:19,396 --> 00:02:22,836 Speaker 1: dignity about her in a consideration of what was when 38 00:02:22,876 --> 00:02:24,876 Speaker 1: I didn't consider anything, I mean, I just kind of 39 00:02:24,916 --> 00:02:29,556 Speaker 1: jumped into situations and took over and I just started, Wow, 40 00:02:30,196 --> 00:02:34,876 Speaker 1: it's poise. That's what she has poise. When you walked 41 00:02:34,876 --> 00:02:36,876 Speaker 1: down the aisle, you were pretty sure that this was 42 00:02:36,916 --> 00:02:40,196 Speaker 1: the right one. Was there anything one a little thing 43 00:02:40,196 --> 00:02:41,836 Speaker 1: that you weren't quite sure about that you had to 44 00:02:41,876 --> 00:02:45,036 Speaker 1: like figure out right. I do know that I was, 45 00:02:45,436 --> 00:02:48,676 Speaker 1: you know, I had been in so many Broadway shows 46 00:02:48,756 --> 00:02:52,436 Speaker 1: and done so many things like that, and I'd never 47 00:02:52,636 --> 00:02:55,356 Speaker 1: had as much stage right as I had. Right before 48 00:02:55,396 --> 00:02:57,036 Speaker 1: I walked down the aisle, I thought I was gonna 49 00:02:57,276 --> 00:03:01,916 Speaker 1: pass out. I was so so nervous, and I just 50 00:03:01,996 --> 00:03:04,476 Speaker 1: realized all of a sudden, this is a really big deal. 51 00:03:05,596 --> 00:03:08,076 Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, am I ready for this? 52 00:03:08,276 --> 00:03:11,436 Speaker 1: I just think that general feeling of like what have 53 00:03:11,556 --> 00:03:14,316 Speaker 1: I gotten myself into? And then I started to walk 54 00:03:14,316 --> 00:03:16,756 Speaker 1: and it all fell away. And how old were you then? 55 00:03:17,476 --> 00:03:20,836 Speaker 1: U twenty seven? And you feel so old at the 56 00:03:20,956 --> 00:03:22,716 Speaker 1: time when you're at twenty, you know, when you're in 57 00:03:22,756 --> 00:03:25,156 Speaker 1: your twenties. But now I look back at my kids 58 00:03:25,156 --> 00:03:29,196 Speaker 1: and I go, oh, we were baby, just little toddlers. 59 00:03:31,156 --> 00:03:35,636 Speaker 1: Your image is somewhat like mine, which is, you know, 60 00:03:35,796 --> 00:03:37,796 Speaker 1: you're on top of it, and you're fun and you 61 00:03:38,316 --> 00:03:40,596 Speaker 1: go you go out with Michael or Marlowe, You're gonna 62 00:03:40,596 --> 00:03:43,916 Speaker 1: have a good time. They're just all you know. At 63 00:03:43,996 --> 00:03:47,396 Speaker 1: some point you had to show this woman that you 64 00:03:47,516 --> 00:03:50,756 Speaker 1: were taking into your life, that you weren't that way 65 00:03:50,796 --> 00:03:52,716 Speaker 1: all the time. You know that you had to like 66 00:03:52,996 --> 00:03:56,916 Speaker 1: let it out and say this is also who I am. 67 00:03:57,556 --> 00:03:59,276 Speaker 1: Oh and that has nothing to do with your health. 68 00:03:59,276 --> 00:04:02,276 Speaker 1: That has to do with you as a personality. So yeah, 69 00:04:02,316 --> 00:04:08,156 Speaker 1: why I The thing with the health is poor things 70 00:04:08,156 --> 00:04:12,556 Speaker 1: happen in really short amount of time, uh basing I 71 00:04:12,596 --> 00:04:15,716 Speaker 1: married or someone was born, my father passed away, and 72 00:04:15,716 --> 00:04:19,396 Speaker 1: and I diagnosed, and then and then and they drinking. 73 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,476 Speaker 1: So it's like five things. It's like the major who 74 00:04:21,516 --> 00:04:26,156 Speaker 1: likes the huge massive changes and became became a different person, 75 00:04:26,676 --> 00:04:28,596 Speaker 1: And it was a person had to become just to 76 00:04:28,956 --> 00:04:31,476 Speaker 1: survive me and be successful going on in life. And 77 00:04:31,476 --> 00:04:34,796 Speaker 1: and and it's great, it's great that I made those changes. Yeah, 78 00:04:34,836 --> 00:04:39,596 Speaker 1: I needed to own my diagnosis, own what that meant 79 00:04:39,596 --> 00:04:42,116 Speaker 1: to him from my family, and be prepared to do 80 00:04:42,196 --> 00:04:45,956 Speaker 1: I needed to do that, make that okay. And and 81 00:04:45,996 --> 00:04:48,516 Speaker 1: Tracy met me and and and helped me own way 82 00:04:48,556 --> 00:04:51,676 Speaker 1: and got me through over the hurdles and um, so 83 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:53,556 Speaker 1: it was it was a big tea. I mean, it's 84 00:04:53,596 --> 00:04:57,076 Speaker 1: a big test earlier on our marriage. Its bad. What 85 00:04:57,236 --> 00:05:01,716 Speaker 1: adjustment did you make to to have another person in 86 00:05:01,716 --> 00:05:04,996 Speaker 1: your life? Well, one thing that we did that. I 87 00:05:05,276 --> 00:05:07,036 Speaker 1: don't think we wouldn't do anything different in our lives. 88 00:05:07,076 --> 00:05:09,076 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't speak for you, but I would 89 00:05:09,116 --> 00:05:12,156 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do any different in our lives. Other lives fantastically. 90 00:05:12,476 --> 00:05:14,596 Speaker 1: But we had we had our son was born really 91 00:05:14,716 --> 00:05:17,556 Speaker 1: early in our marriage. So we had a quick adjustment 92 00:05:17,636 --> 00:05:21,516 Speaker 1: that we got married and then we were parents. So 93 00:05:21,516 --> 00:05:26,796 Speaker 1: so that that accommodation I extended that there was this 94 00:05:26,956 --> 00:05:30,036 Speaker 1: other persons and then so we were we were we 95 00:05:30,036 --> 00:05:33,516 Speaker 1: were never really traditional New lu ads. We were parents 96 00:05:33,516 --> 00:05:36,116 Speaker 1: within the first year of our marriage, right, So it 97 00:05:36,156 --> 00:05:39,716 Speaker 1: was so it was a different kind of adjustment. It's 98 00:05:39,756 --> 00:05:42,476 Speaker 1: a different kind of Um, you didn't have a girlfriend anymore. 99 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:45,876 Speaker 1: Now you have, yeah, a co parent. Also, when we 100 00:05:45,916 --> 00:05:50,676 Speaker 1: first got married, um, Michael's life was like very large, 101 00:05:51,076 --> 00:05:54,556 Speaker 1: and so I had to sort of find my place 102 00:05:54,876 --> 00:05:58,916 Speaker 1: where there was so much space being taken up by 103 00:05:59,116 --> 00:06:02,516 Speaker 1: not by him personally, because he's not like that personally, 104 00:06:03,036 --> 00:06:05,436 Speaker 1: but he just had a lot going on. There were 105 00:06:05,596 --> 00:06:09,316 Speaker 1: there was job after job after job, and we to 106 00:06:09,316 --> 00:06:10,916 Speaker 1: walk down the street and I would call him mister 107 00:06:10,996 --> 00:06:14,756 Speaker 1: Mayor because everybody would say hello, and I am Ike 108 00:06:14,876 --> 00:06:17,356 Speaker 1: hy kind Mike. He just had this kind of persona 109 00:06:17,436 --> 00:06:19,636 Speaker 1: that everybody wanted to talk to him or be with him. 110 00:06:19,636 --> 00:06:23,196 Speaker 1: And so for me, it was sort of trying to 111 00:06:23,196 --> 00:06:28,116 Speaker 1: figure out how to accommodate room for that big life 112 00:06:28,276 --> 00:06:34,556 Speaker 1: but also maintain my own independence and what I did 113 00:06:34,756 --> 00:06:39,756 Speaker 1: and um, and so that was sort of an adjustment. 114 00:06:39,796 --> 00:06:42,196 Speaker 1: I would say, you're really great because because at the 115 00:06:42,236 --> 00:06:44,356 Speaker 1: same time as you were finding that space and in 116 00:06:44,516 --> 00:06:48,436 Speaker 1: my life, you found a new space for me. Like 117 00:06:48,556 --> 00:06:53,196 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how how overwhelmed, how much input there was, 118 00:06:53,236 --> 00:06:55,996 Speaker 1: and how much sensory overload I was dealing with until 119 00:06:56,076 --> 00:06:57,756 Speaker 1: Tracy said to me, and it was one of the 120 00:06:57,836 --> 00:07:01,316 Speaker 1: things that they had sealed the deal for me in 121 00:07:01,396 --> 00:07:02,916 Speaker 1: terms of her being the person that I wanted to 122 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:07,676 Speaker 1: be with forever. She just said, until my orders just 123 00:07:07,836 --> 00:07:09,956 Speaker 1: going to kill you. This is going to kill you. 124 00:07:09,956 --> 00:07:12,356 Speaker 1: You don't have any room for yourself in your life. 125 00:07:12,396 --> 00:07:14,556 Speaker 1: You don't have any room for relationships that are real, 126 00:07:15,156 --> 00:07:17,636 Speaker 1: that are based on something other be in business. And 127 00:07:18,036 --> 00:07:19,836 Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, that's right. And I started, 128 00:07:19,876 --> 00:07:22,116 Speaker 1: all of a sudden started to crave privacy and crave 129 00:07:22,236 --> 00:07:24,476 Speaker 1: moments to be alone, and crave places to go where 130 00:07:24,636 --> 00:07:27,316 Speaker 1: no one would be there to greet us or give 131 00:07:27,356 --> 00:07:30,996 Speaker 1: a special attention or sometimes actually that's a funny thing 132 00:07:31,036 --> 00:07:33,876 Speaker 1: where you're talking about that. Michaelan so many people working 133 00:07:33,996 --> 00:07:38,276 Speaker 1: for him and you know and yes man and agents 134 00:07:38,316 --> 00:07:43,596 Speaker 1: and assistance, and so we would argue and he would 135 00:07:43,636 --> 00:07:46,236 Speaker 1: say nobody else in my life says that to me. 136 00:07:46,356 --> 00:07:48,436 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, because you pay all of them, 137 00:07:48,836 --> 00:07:52,676 Speaker 1: so of course I'm going to get fired. I'm the 138 00:07:52,756 --> 00:07:56,276 Speaker 1: only person that is great it isn't worried about being fired. 139 00:07:56,436 --> 00:08:03,476 Speaker 1: So that was right, Yeah, that's right. And um, what 140 00:08:03,596 --> 00:08:07,796 Speaker 1: do you think that you get from each other that 141 00:08:08,396 --> 00:08:11,796 Speaker 1: you can't get from anybody else? Like with me with 142 00:08:11,996 --> 00:08:16,116 Speaker 1: Phil when I'm blue and I'm a pretty optimistic person, 143 00:08:16,196 --> 00:08:19,316 Speaker 1: but when I'm blue, he's the only person that can 144 00:08:19,396 --> 00:08:22,396 Speaker 1: do a reality check with me that I believe, you 145 00:08:22,476 --> 00:08:26,876 Speaker 1: know what I mean, he pulls me up much my cheerleader. 146 00:08:27,636 --> 00:08:29,636 Speaker 1: Is that for me too, because I get because I 147 00:08:29,716 --> 00:08:31,476 Speaker 1: have the same thing I have this I'm supposed to 148 00:08:31,476 --> 00:08:34,316 Speaker 1: be mister sunshine and mister optimism and times when you 149 00:08:34,516 --> 00:08:36,676 Speaker 1: really you know, some stuff is just hard to deal with, 150 00:08:36,996 --> 00:08:40,276 Speaker 1: whether it's health issues or over things. And and Tracey 151 00:08:40,316 --> 00:08:43,196 Speaker 1: has always got the thing to say that it makes 152 00:08:43,236 --> 00:08:46,836 Speaker 1: me looking in another way. And I can and I 153 00:08:46,876 --> 00:08:50,116 Speaker 1: can take things and make them right size. That's a 154 00:08:50,236 --> 00:08:53,516 Speaker 1: great thing to say. And what about you. I can 155 00:08:53,596 --> 00:08:59,036 Speaker 1: get very involved in the personal relationships, you know, between 156 00:08:59,116 --> 00:09:03,796 Speaker 1: friends or family members or and and I can really 157 00:09:03,956 --> 00:09:10,316 Speaker 1: sort of get a little too um affected by that 158 00:09:10,596 --> 00:09:12,636 Speaker 1: by arguments that I've had with someone or someone said 159 00:09:12,676 --> 00:09:16,196 Speaker 1: saying to me. And the only person I ever want 160 00:09:16,196 --> 00:09:17,836 Speaker 1: to talk to when I'm in a state like that 161 00:09:18,356 --> 00:09:20,716 Speaker 1: or upset about something is Michael because he has so 162 00:09:20,916 --> 00:09:24,436 Speaker 1: much perspective. The funniest thing to say, I've said to 163 00:09:24,516 --> 00:09:26,636 Speaker 1: chasing him before is when you say, if they only knew, 164 00:09:26,756 --> 00:09:28,876 Speaker 1: like you having a conflict with somebody, and you'd say 165 00:09:28,876 --> 00:09:31,596 Speaker 1: if they only knew what, And I'd say, if Emily knew, 166 00:09:31,596 --> 00:09:35,276 Speaker 1: they still wouldn't give a shit. That's true. Sometimes I'll 167 00:09:35,356 --> 00:09:39,036 Speaker 1: get so kind of wrapped up in that that thinking, 168 00:09:39,156 --> 00:09:40,636 Speaker 1: and I'll just say, you know what I'm gonna do. 169 00:09:41,236 --> 00:09:42,956 Speaker 1: I'm going to call that person and I'm going to 170 00:09:42,996 --> 00:09:45,636 Speaker 1: say this, this and that. And Michael always says, to 171 00:09:45,756 --> 00:09:49,036 Speaker 1: what end? What do you want to gain from that? 172 00:09:49,436 --> 00:09:51,676 Speaker 1: She's much better than I am. I mean, I say 173 00:09:51,716 --> 00:09:54,076 Speaker 1: to what end? Because because I don't know how to 174 00:09:54,116 --> 00:09:57,956 Speaker 1: have those conversations, Wene, but you really should have done that, 175 00:09:57,996 --> 00:09:59,676 Speaker 1: and I should have done that. It's just like, let's 176 00:09:59,676 --> 00:10:04,036 Speaker 1: just start over. Well, so how do you resolve problems? 177 00:10:04,556 --> 00:10:07,636 Speaker 1: Then there's always a period of time. I have a 178 00:10:07,716 --> 00:10:10,036 Speaker 1: tendency to want to come I can make it all okay. 179 00:10:10,716 --> 00:10:13,436 Speaker 1: I've grown more likely to we have it to stream 180 00:10:13,476 --> 00:10:15,836 Speaker 1: about something, to give it to a So when you 181 00:10:15,956 --> 00:10:17,796 Speaker 1: say give it some air, you mean don't get into 182 00:10:17,836 --> 00:10:19,796 Speaker 1: a confrontation about it. Don't do what I want to 183 00:10:19,796 --> 00:10:21,356 Speaker 1: do it just keep coming in the room in five 184 00:10:21,396 --> 00:10:24,796 Speaker 1: seconds and saying, oh, okay now. And I also find 185 00:10:24,876 --> 00:10:26,476 Speaker 1: I see a lot of times the people that I 186 00:10:26,636 --> 00:10:31,716 Speaker 1: know that have these such a constant. I think that 187 00:10:31,756 --> 00:10:33,556 Speaker 1: we used to do it more kind of at the 188 00:10:33,636 --> 00:10:35,876 Speaker 1: beginning of our relationship. But this idea that you have 189 00:10:35,956 --> 00:10:40,676 Speaker 1: to hash through and discuss every single thing is really 190 00:10:42,516 --> 00:10:46,156 Speaker 1: no great benefit because sometimes you just have to assume, 191 00:10:46,316 --> 00:10:49,636 Speaker 1: you know what he said something schmucky made me feel bad. 192 00:10:49,716 --> 00:10:51,276 Speaker 1: But he's a good person. I'm going to give him 193 00:10:51,276 --> 00:10:53,516 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt that he didn't realize what 194 00:10:53,596 --> 00:10:56,076 Speaker 1: he said hurt my feelings, and I think he does 195 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:59,236 Speaker 1: the same with me. So this whole thing like that 196 00:10:59,716 --> 00:11:02,276 Speaker 1: I see my friends sometimes having to do is let's 197 00:11:02,276 --> 00:11:05,236 Speaker 1: sit down and talk this through. Let's and then it's 198 00:11:05,276 --> 00:11:07,156 Speaker 1: like they're up till three in the morning because they 199 00:11:07,196 --> 00:11:09,236 Speaker 1: can't go to sleep until they figured it out. And 200 00:11:09,276 --> 00:11:10,596 Speaker 1: we're just kind of look at each other. We go, 201 00:11:11,116 --> 00:11:15,636 Speaker 1: that's fine, I know you didn't mean it. You know 202 00:11:15,756 --> 00:11:17,876 Speaker 1: I didn't read it. Let's move on. So how long 203 00:11:17,956 --> 00:11:19,476 Speaker 1: did it take you to get to that, because it's 204 00:11:19,516 --> 00:11:22,676 Speaker 1: taken us about twenty years of our forty year marriage 205 00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:25,356 Speaker 1: to be able to say, so, you're so halfway through, Yeah, 206 00:11:25,396 --> 00:11:27,556 Speaker 1: got to it. So what about you guys? It was 207 00:11:27,596 --> 00:11:30,396 Speaker 1: that a skill you had right away or that something 208 00:11:30,676 --> 00:11:32,676 Speaker 1: definitely not a skill we had right away. But I 209 00:11:32,756 --> 00:11:35,156 Speaker 1: think we actually learned it a lot from seeing other 210 00:11:35,276 --> 00:11:38,916 Speaker 1: relationships kind of fall by the wayside, and I would 211 00:11:38,956 --> 00:11:42,636 Speaker 1: just see that it just wasn't a healthy way of 212 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:46,396 Speaker 1: dealing with it, like celebrate the positive. You don't have 213 00:11:46,556 --> 00:11:51,316 Speaker 1: to dwell on all of the negative things that ye 214 00:11:51,556 --> 00:11:57,916 Speaker 1: when but kids just place it's a hugeal We perfect kids. 215 00:11:58,116 --> 00:12:02,076 Speaker 1: They're so non judgmental and none demanding, and they just 216 00:12:02,196 --> 00:12:04,796 Speaker 1: they just they're just enjoying life and we kind of 217 00:12:04,796 --> 00:12:07,476 Speaker 1: look at them and say, what a great life. I mean, 218 00:12:08,036 --> 00:12:11,196 Speaker 1: what can be wrong with It's beautiful what we've done. 219 00:12:11,836 --> 00:12:13,956 Speaker 1: So it sounds to be like gratitude is something. The 220 00:12:14,076 --> 00:12:16,876 Speaker 1: gratitude's huge gratitude is a great space for me to 221 00:12:16,916 --> 00:12:20,836 Speaker 1: be in because because I I deal with this healthing 222 00:12:21,196 --> 00:12:25,996 Speaker 1: and and what what keeps me balanced? His gratitude. It's 223 00:12:26,036 --> 00:12:28,076 Speaker 1: like being in a place of acceptance. It's just like, 224 00:12:28,396 --> 00:12:32,196 Speaker 1: if you accept something doesn't mean you're resigned to it. 225 00:12:32,356 --> 00:12:34,396 Speaker 1: It just means you accepted in and you look at 226 00:12:34,396 --> 00:12:37,356 Speaker 1: it and you're honest about it. And I think acceptance 227 00:12:37,396 --> 00:12:41,916 Speaker 1: is so much a part of my life, and it's 228 00:12:41,916 --> 00:12:44,116 Speaker 1: a part of marriage. And you had a lot of 229 00:12:44,196 --> 00:12:47,996 Speaker 1: accepting to do when Michael got sick, right, I mean 230 00:12:48,436 --> 00:12:52,156 Speaker 1: that was very very early in our marriage, and um, yeah, 231 00:12:52,236 --> 00:12:53,796 Speaker 1: I didn't we didn't even think it was going to 232 00:12:53,836 --> 00:12:55,796 Speaker 1: be I didn't go to the doctor because we didn't 233 00:12:55,836 --> 00:12:58,156 Speaker 1: think it was going to be anything big. And the 234 00:12:58,276 --> 00:13:03,356 Speaker 1: thing that was odd about that diagnosis was that when 235 00:13:03,436 --> 00:13:05,996 Speaker 1: you get that diagnosis at such a young age, and 236 00:13:06,116 --> 00:13:10,356 Speaker 1: he was like, had very very few symptoms, so you 237 00:13:10,516 --> 00:13:13,236 Speaker 1: kind of have this big piece of news and then 238 00:13:14,476 --> 00:13:17,796 Speaker 1: nothing really has changed. At that moment. In the day 239 00:13:17,876 --> 00:13:21,836 Speaker 1: to day, you're sort of being told, now, everything's going 240 00:13:21,876 --> 00:13:24,596 Speaker 1: to be the same, but come ten years, it's going 241 00:13:24,636 --> 00:13:28,476 Speaker 1: to be. So it's it's a funny thing to, um 242 00:13:29,756 --> 00:13:33,676 Speaker 1: to grapple with, especially as a young person and as 243 00:13:33,876 --> 00:13:42,436 Speaker 1: a young married couple, because I and um, yeah, so 244 00:13:42,596 --> 00:13:44,956 Speaker 1: and we had you know, we just had a very 245 00:13:45,076 --> 00:13:51,876 Speaker 1: young child and um. So it was definitely something to 246 00:13:51,996 --> 00:13:54,796 Speaker 1: process and something to to deal with. But at the 247 00:13:54,916 --> 00:13:58,716 Speaker 1: same time, once we kind of dealt with, you know, 248 00:13:58,876 --> 00:14:03,436 Speaker 1: that big kind of realization, our life stayed the same. 249 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:06,796 Speaker 1: It wasn't like all of a sudden he was, you know, 250 00:14:06,956 --> 00:14:08,636 Speaker 1: not able to walk, or all of a sudden he 251 00:14:08,756 --> 00:14:11,236 Speaker 1: wasn't able to participate in the same way that he'd 252 00:14:11,276 --> 00:14:14,436 Speaker 1: been participating. So it was more kind of an idea 253 00:14:14,436 --> 00:14:17,556 Speaker 1: on the head than it was an actual reality. Would 254 00:14:17,556 --> 00:14:19,436 Speaker 1: you agree with that? Yeah, I mean I remember the 255 00:14:19,476 --> 00:14:21,716 Speaker 1: moment that I told you that was I went to 256 00:14:21,876 --> 00:14:25,436 Speaker 1: I had a goofy in dream like that said I 257 00:14:25,476 --> 00:14:27,876 Speaker 1: had a muscle pole or something, and I just didn't 258 00:14:27,876 --> 00:14:28,996 Speaker 1: think about I had it for a year and I 259 00:14:29,036 --> 00:14:31,596 Speaker 1: didn't think about it that much. Uh, And and so 260 00:14:31,676 --> 00:14:34,436 Speaker 1: I went to this neurologist and just to just to 261 00:14:34,636 --> 00:14:36,876 Speaker 1: check it out because I'd been going to sort physical 262 00:14:36,956 --> 00:14:40,956 Speaker 1: therapist sports therapist guy. And so that's why Tricy didn't 263 00:14:40,956 --> 00:14:42,556 Speaker 1: go to the doctors with me, because I just went 264 00:14:42,636 --> 00:14:45,716 Speaker 1: to It was like the saying a small issue as 265 00:14:45,756 --> 00:14:48,316 Speaker 1: far as I was concerned, and then um, and then 266 00:14:48,436 --> 00:14:50,916 Speaker 1: he gave me his diagnosis. So I came home, as 267 00:14:51,076 --> 00:14:53,316 Speaker 1: I told her, and and and we just held each 268 00:14:53,316 --> 00:14:56,436 Speaker 1: other and just just kind of like but like Trisy said, 269 00:14:56,476 --> 00:14:58,396 Speaker 1: it was a strange thing because it was like a 270 00:14:58,516 --> 00:15:00,036 Speaker 1: bus is coming. It's gonna hitt you one day. We 271 00:15:00,076 --> 00:15:02,556 Speaker 1: don't know win right, but it's gonna comes gonna hit you. 272 00:15:03,036 --> 00:15:04,556 Speaker 1: And and I was like, what do I do? Do 273 00:15:04,636 --> 00:15:06,356 Speaker 1: I go to bed? I mean, do I do it? 274 00:15:06,796 --> 00:15:10,916 Speaker 1: Like you? An ask her? And I mean that's nothing 275 00:15:10,956 --> 00:15:13,596 Speaker 1: that changes, but you feel you brought a weight into 276 00:15:13,596 --> 00:15:15,716 Speaker 1: the marriage. Like like my point of view was I 277 00:15:16,036 --> 00:15:19,436 Speaker 1: brought this this thing, like like not not not that 278 00:15:19,516 --> 00:15:21,396 Speaker 1: I didn't intentionally or whatever, but but but I feel 279 00:15:21,436 --> 00:15:24,636 Speaker 1: responsibility for it. I feel like my elephant that I 280 00:15:24,756 --> 00:15:27,516 Speaker 1: brought to the party and it was invited, and so 281 00:15:27,636 --> 00:15:34,796 Speaker 1: how we accommodated it. We'll have more after a quick break. 282 00:15:47,796 --> 00:15:52,436 Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow's conversation with Michael J. Fox and Tracy Pollen. 283 00:15:53,036 --> 00:15:56,236 Speaker 1: When we left off, Michael had just told Tracy about 284 00:15:56,316 --> 00:16:01,276 Speaker 1: his life changing diagnosis of Parkinson's. Did you ever worry 285 00:16:01,356 --> 00:16:05,156 Speaker 1: that she might bail out on you? I worried that 286 00:16:05,236 --> 00:16:09,276 Speaker 1: I might become bailable, that I might not do with 287 00:16:09,396 --> 00:16:12,196 Speaker 1: it well, and and and and why I didn't. They 288 00:16:12,196 --> 00:16:14,636 Speaker 1: didn't deal with it really well successfully. I didn't have 289 00:16:14,836 --> 00:16:16,836 Speaker 1: a good approach to it. I mean I just kind 290 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:19,916 Speaker 1: of ignored it. And then I over medicated and wrongly medicated, 291 00:16:19,996 --> 00:16:22,276 Speaker 1: and started drinking a little bit more than I had been, 292 00:16:22,356 --> 00:16:26,476 Speaker 1: and and and and that'll last time about a year, 293 00:16:26,556 --> 00:16:29,516 Speaker 1: year and a half. And then I started taking it serious. Man. 294 00:16:30,236 --> 00:16:32,476 Speaker 1: But all that Tracy had had to deal with, and 295 00:16:33,356 --> 00:16:35,596 Speaker 1: so I wasn't worried about her bailing on me. It 296 00:16:35,636 --> 00:16:38,916 Speaker 1: was everybody me, like, this is my this is my thing. 297 00:16:38,996 --> 00:16:41,436 Speaker 1: I have to I have to I haven't. I have 298 00:16:41,516 --> 00:16:43,796 Speaker 1: to make this work within the marriage and within the family. 299 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:46,716 Speaker 1: I have to I find a way to to to 300 00:16:47,836 --> 00:16:52,276 Speaker 1: not use something that separates me from my family, but 301 00:16:52,476 --> 00:16:56,076 Speaker 1: something that connects me with my family. What about you, Tracy, 302 00:16:56,116 --> 00:16:57,556 Speaker 1: did you ever have in the back of your mind, 303 00:16:57,556 --> 00:17:01,756 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't do this in terms of 304 00:17:02,436 --> 00:17:05,876 Speaker 1: in the big picture. Definitely moments where it's just like 305 00:17:06,036 --> 00:17:08,516 Speaker 1: I can't handle this. I can't, But I never thought 306 00:17:09,596 --> 00:17:13,036 Speaker 1: I can't handle this today, So I'm out for good. 307 00:17:13,156 --> 00:17:16,196 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just not how I live my life. 308 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:18,236 Speaker 1: It's not how I was raised. It's not you know, 309 00:17:18,396 --> 00:17:21,556 Speaker 1: you love somebody, you deal with whatever it is they're 310 00:17:21,796 --> 00:17:24,796 Speaker 1: dealing with, and their issues become your issues, and so 311 00:17:25,716 --> 00:17:28,356 Speaker 1: you know, definitely there are struggles, but then they're also 312 00:17:28,836 --> 00:17:32,196 Speaker 1: benefits and positive things that you know, so you just 313 00:17:32,356 --> 00:17:33,996 Speaker 1: sort of have to take it all. You take the 314 00:17:34,036 --> 00:17:39,876 Speaker 1: good with the bad. And so I never ever thought 315 00:17:40,436 --> 00:17:42,516 Speaker 1: in the long run, I can't deal with In the 316 00:17:42,676 --> 00:17:45,316 Speaker 1: days that you didn't think you could handle it, well, 317 00:17:46,036 --> 00:17:47,956 Speaker 1: what did you do for yourself to get through that? 318 00:17:50,196 --> 00:17:56,476 Speaker 1: You know, family for me is super important having just 319 00:17:56,676 --> 00:17:59,636 Speaker 1: for everything like that in my life. Having I'm a 320 00:17:59,876 --> 00:18:03,636 Speaker 1: very very independent person, and I need my time alone, 321 00:18:03,756 --> 00:18:06,796 Speaker 1: and I need to exercise, and I need to spend 322 00:18:06,876 --> 00:18:12,836 Speaker 1: time with my friends, and so I feel like as 323 00:18:12,916 --> 00:18:16,796 Speaker 1: long as I'm able to carve out time for myself, 324 00:18:16,956 --> 00:18:20,556 Speaker 1: especially when things feel overwhelming, and then I'm able to 325 00:18:20,756 --> 00:18:25,076 Speaker 1: sort of regenerate a little bit and come back into 326 00:18:25,116 --> 00:18:30,716 Speaker 1: a situation feeling stronger and more whole. My husband, one 327 00:18:30,756 --> 00:18:33,676 Speaker 1: of my husbands, has five children, and one of his 328 00:18:33,836 --> 00:18:38,236 Speaker 1: sons was doing dangerous things after one year of our marriage, 329 00:18:38,796 --> 00:18:40,996 Speaker 1: and of course I did what you did. I just 330 00:18:41,276 --> 00:18:45,356 Speaker 1: dug right in and did everything. And years later Phil 331 00:18:45,436 --> 00:18:47,636 Speaker 1: said to me, boy said, you know, I thought you'd 332 00:18:47,676 --> 00:18:51,516 Speaker 1: bail on me on that. I said, you did. No. No, 333 00:18:51,636 --> 00:18:55,756 Speaker 1: I accepted it, you know, but there is that feeling 334 00:18:55,836 --> 00:18:59,636 Speaker 1: that the other one might have. I was scared. I 335 00:18:59,796 --> 00:19:02,356 Speaker 1: was scared to death because I never knew anything like that, 336 00:19:03,116 --> 00:19:06,156 Speaker 1: and I would have awful dreams. Did you ever have 337 00:19:06,356 --> 00:19:10,116 Speaker 1: terrible dreams? Or was that two personal? It's it's not 338 00:19:10,276 --> 00:19:12,876 Speaker 1: that I can specifically remember, but I do feel like 339 00:19:13,076 --> 00:19:15,436 Speaker 1: in terms of when you're dealing with something as a couple, 340 00:19:15,636 --> 00:19:18,636 Speaker 1: either you're dealing with the death of a parent, or 341 00:19:18,676 --> 00:19:21,276 Speaker 1: you're dealing with an illness, you're dealing with an issue 342 00:19:21,316 --> 00:19:25,756 Speaker 1: with your kids, and those things that seem so insurmountable 343 00:19:25,916 --> 00:19:30,436 Speaker 1: and difficult, once you've kind of gone through them together 344 00:19:30,676 --> 00:19:33,796 Speaker 1: and gotten to the other end of it, it just 345 00:19:33,956 --> 00:19:36,876 Speaker 1: makes you stronger. It makes your marriage, stronger the relationship, 346 00:19:36,996 --> 00:19:41,196 Speaker 1: and you realize, okay, we handled that, we can handle 347 00:19:41,236 --> 00:19:42,876 Speaker 1: the next thing. And you know, it just sort of 348 00:19:42,996 --> 00:19:48,036 Speaker 1: gives you fortitude together as like a united and a 349 00:19:48,116 --> 00:19:52,676 Speaker 1: path a path through. Right. Yeah, are there things you 350 00:19:52,836 --> 00:19:58,316 Speaker 1: do physically to help? Michael? It's tough once you're transition. 351 00:19:58,396 --> 00:20:00,316 Speaker 1: I'm I can't walk as well as dude. So I 352 00:20:00,476 --> 00:20:03,476 Speaker 1: used to usually with my dog and walk through the 353 00:20:03,556 --> 00:20:06,116 Speaker 1: park and go over to the Museum Natural History and 354 00:20:06,156 --> 00:20:07,556 Speaker 1: going to the dog park there and walk back through 355 00:20:07,596 --> 00:20:09,916 Speaker 1: the park and all of stuff. I can't do that anymore. 356 00:20:10,156 --> 00:20:12,196 Speaker 1: I may be able to day in the future, I hope, 357 00:20:12,196 --> 00:20:14,236 Speaker 1: but I can't right now. It's on the same way 358 00:20:14,236 --> 00:20:18,156 Speaker 1: we used to go do stuff. So so uh now 359 00:20:18,236 --> 00:20:21,236 Speaker 1: we're finding ways to to Like we learn a safari 360 00:20:21,396 --> 00:20:23,676 Speaker 1: and I could be in the jeep a lot of 361 00:20:23,716 --> 00:20:28,356 Speaker 1: the time, and that it's an allowance. It's change. Are 362 00:20:28,396 --> 00:20:30,956 Speaker 1: you going on a safari? We did? We did? Yeah? 363 00:20:31,036 --> 00:20:33,916 Speaker 1: We did less and and how did you do? Was 364 00:20:33,956 --> 00:20:37,916 Speaker 1: it great? And the hont want? I don't want to go. 365 00:20:37,916 --> 00:20:39,796 Speaker 1: At one point I just said, I don't know what 366 00:20:39,996 --> 00:20:42,636 Speaker 1: this does for me because I can't do this stuff, 367 00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:46,196 Speaker 1: and she said, send the jeep and look at the Melvans. 368 00:20:46,276 --> 00:20:48,676 Speaker 1: I mean, have a good time. And he said, if 369 00:20:48,716 --> 00:20:50,956 Speaker 1: one of it is animals start coming for us, I'm 370 00:20:51,036 --> 00:20:56,796 Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, I didn't know. I haven't wonder that. 371 00:20:57,356 --> 00:20:59,676 Speaker 1: I remember one by the watering home. It's sick, lamb 372 00:20:59,676 --> 00:21:03,516 Speaker 1: and old. So I mean, Tracy has always encouraged me 373 00:21:03,676 --> 00:21:06,916 Speaker 1: to get involved into and to not project, not to 374 00:21:07,356 --> 00:21:09,676 Speaker 1: project where where I might be, you know. So I 375 00:21:09,836 --> 00:21:13,876 Speaker 1: tend to take things on because if I'll just meet 376 00:21:13,916 --> 00:21:16,596 Speaker 1: the day right and and and Tracy gives me that 377 00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:21,316 Speaker 1: encouragement to just meet the day just when when we 378 00:21:21,396 --> 00:21:23,796 Speaker 1: get there, and we'll deal with it. I think that's where. 379 00:21:23,796 --> 00:21:27,076 Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it? Loved it? Yeah? It was amazing, fantastic. 380 00:21:27,476 --> 00:21:30,396 Speaker 1: What would you pass on that you've learned as a couple. 381 00:21:31,036 --> 00:21:34,236 Speaker 1: I would say, I guess three things. I'd say Number one, 382 00:21:34,316 --> 00:21:36,356 Speaker 1: give each other the benefit of the doubt, not that 383 00:21:36,436 --> 00:21:38,956 Speaker 1: this is the person you love and this person loves you, 384 00:21:39,276 --> 00:21:43,556 Speaker 1: so just assume the best from them. Don't assume the worst, um, 385 00:21:43,796 --> 00:21:46,156 Speaker 1: because it's easy to get sort of sucked into that. 386 00:21:47,076 --> 00:21:51,396 Speaker 1: And I would say, make sure you carve out time 387 00:21:51,836 --> 00:21:55,196 Speaker 1: to spend together even when you have your kids, and 388 00:21:55,396 --> 00:21:57,276 Speaker 1: you know, to do to have your date nights and 389 00:21:57,396 --> 00:22:00,396 Speaker 1: to have just that time together is so important. And 390 00:22:00,476 --> 00:22:02,876 Speaker 1: at the same time, carve out time to have by 391 00:22:02,916 --> 00:22:07,356 Speaker 1: yourself and um, because the time that you have by 392 00:22:07,396 --> 00:22:11,116 Speaker 1: yourself informs the time that you have together. I think, 393 00:22:12,076 --> 00:22:17,676 Speaker 1: I think you're not You're not trying to create a 394 00:22:17,796 --> 00:22:20,316 Speaker 1: new situation for you, like a new like a new 395 00:22:20,396 --> 00:22:23,876 Speaker 1: thing for you, Like this is a thing for both 396 00:22:23,916 --> 00:22:25,636 Speaker 1: of you and and and it's gonna be a new thing. 397 00:22:25,676 --> 00:22:27,636 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a different thing. It's gonna be You're 398 00:22:27,676 --> 00:22:30,196 Speaker 1: not gonna your shocks may not end up in the 399 00:22:30,236 --> 00:22:31,716 Speaker 1: same place where you used to put them. Or it's 400 00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:34,716 Speaker 1: becoming a new thing. It's becoming a new phenomenon. And 401 00:22:34,916 --> 00:22:37,116 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that, like I love that. I love it. 402 00:22:37,556 --> 00:22:40,836 Speaker 1: It was a new world. Are you comfortable and have 403 00:22:40,956 --> 00:22:44,236 Speaker 1: you always been comfortable with bringing up hard topics? You know? 404 00:22:45,036 --> 00:22:47,556 Speaker 1: For me, it took me a while because I'm so 405 00:22:47,756 --> 00:22:51,676 Speaker 1: independent and because I liked my image of being all powerful. 406 00:22:52,116 --> 00:22:54,916 Speaker 1: It was very hard for me to start really bringing 407 00:22:54,996 --> 00:22:57,596 Speaker 1: up things that hurt me and that it were hard 408 00:22:57,676 --> 00:23:00,876 Speaker 1: for me, and it took a while. I had to 409 00:23:00,916 --> 00:23:04,396 Speaker 1: trust Phil enough to be that vulnerable. Every time I 410 00:23:04,476 --> 00:23:07,236 Speaker 1: have one thing that like because I again, I go 411 00:23:07,396 --> 00:23:09,156 Speaker 1: along and get along, I have a good time. I 412 00:23:09,236 --> 00:23:11,276 Speaker 1: would just do everymore. I'm happy for the ride. And 413 00:23:11,356 --> 00:23:13,956 Speaker 1: people saying, you know, you have all these issues, and 414 00:23:13,996 --> 00:23:16,676 Speaker 1: I said, and then there's worst issues. I mean, there's 415 00:23:16,676 --> 00:23:21,396 Speaker 1: says that people would have pancreatic cancer. Yeah, they lost 416 00:23:21,476 --> 00:23:23,516 Speaker 1: our kids are like, I mean, just the stuff that's 417 00:23:23,556 --> 00:23:26,596 Speaker 1: horrible in this world. And and I'm doing okay, but 418 00:23:26,756 --> 00:23:28,396 Speaker 1: everyone's while I hit a wall and I hit a 419 00:23:28,436 --> 00:23:31,676 Speaker 1: place where I just was just I just need somebody 420 00:23:32,476 --> 00:23:34,676 Speaker 1: getting underneath me and get me up over that wall. 421 00:23:35,156 --> 00:23:38,436 Speaker 1: And and then she's always that person. She's always that person. 422 00:23:39,076 --> 00:23:42,436 Speaker 1: It's it's every time, I mean, do you tell her though, yeah, 423 00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:46,676 Speaker 1: you confide it, or she just noticed I'll say, I'll say, 424 00:23:46,756 --> 00:23:48,956 Speaker 1: I'm just, I'm just I haven't got it to that. 425 00:23:49,076 --> 00:23:53,276 Speaker 1: I'm just I feel I feel like I don't actually 426 00:23:53,316 --> 00:23:57,236 Speaker 1: I get beyond this. And then then she'll say, you 427 00:23:57,316 --> 00:24:00,196 Speaker 1: will mean just just today to say you feel this moment, 428 00:24:00,316 --> 00:24:03,076 Speaker 1: but but you'll feel different tomorrow. And then it'll be 429 00:24:03,116 --> 00:24:05,356 Speaker 1: a different set of facts, and new things will show 430 00:24:05,436 --> 00:24:08,236 Speaker 1: up and and and and it'll change and then and 431 00:24:08,556 --> 00:24:11,636 Speaker 1: it does. But but but but I never, I never, 432 00:24:11,916 --> 00:24:14,036 Speaker 1: I never has state to do that. We don't look 433 00:24:14,076 --> 00:24:18,396 Speaker 1: for trouble. We don't, we don't pick scabs. We don't 434 00:24:18,436 --> 00:24:22,716 Speaker 1: we don't like go. I think some marriages, people will 435 00:24:22,756 --> 00:24:25,436 Speaker 1: get your partner and say it's it's a vulnerability and 436 00:24:25,476 --> 00:24:28,116 Speaker 1: they just can't help but go after that vulnerability and 437 00:24:28,436 --> 00:24:32,036 Speaker 1: it just export or something. We don't do that. I 438 00:24:32,156 --> 00:24:34,876 Speaker 1: think I'm similar to you and that it took a 439 00:24:35,036 --> 00:24:38,156 Speaker 1: while for me to feel comfortable talking about sort of 440 00:24:38,316 --> 00:24:42,916 Speaker 1: bigger issues. But what's what's interesting about it is that 441 00:24:45,316 --> 00:24:47,956 Speaker 1: it's easier. It's easy for me to hear that to 442 00:24:48,316 --> 00:24:50,436 Speaker 1: to you know, if Michael's coming to me with things 443 00:24:50,476 --> 00:24:52,956 Speaker 1: that are difficult for him to share. And that's what 444 00:24:53,116 --> 00:24:55,996 Speaker 1: kind of gives me the confidence and the assurance that 445 00:24:56,116 --> 00:24:59,196 Speaker 1: it's okay to share as well as it is to receive. 446 00:25:01,036 --> 00:25:03,396 Speaker 1: So if you had to say what's made it made 447 00:25:03,476 --> 00:25:08,356 Speaker 1: your marriage last, I would say, just keep your sense 448 00:25:08,436 --> 00:25:12,156 Speaker 1: of humor. It's everything. To keep each other laughing and 449 00:25:12,356 --> 00:25:17,556 Speaker 1: laugh at each other's jokes. It's the key. Yeah. So, so, 450 00:25:17,756 --> 00:25:20,436 Speaker 1: like like um, I was working at a book out 451 00:25:20,476 --> 00:25:23,076 Speaker 1: because I was working out it was about optimism. And 452 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:27,596 Speaker 1: one day I really bothered I missed deadline after deadline, 453 00:25:27,596 --> 00:25:29,996 Speaker 1: after the deadline, I was just we're bogged down. And 454 00:25:30,516 --> 00:25:33,196 Speaker 1: Tracy said, what's the matter. And I said, I remember 455 00:25:33,196 --> 00:25:36,996 Speaker 1: being finished just fucking booking an optimism and and she said, 456 00:25:37,596 --> 00:25:39,916 Speaker 1: you know you just said I said, you're kidding me, right, 457 00:25:40,556 --> 00:25:42,876 Speaker 1: It's fine, yeah, because he said, I'm never going to 458 00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:51,436 Speaker 1: finish my book about optimism, not with that at after 459 00:25:51,556 --> 00:25:55,076 Speaker 1: thirty years. This is hopefully this is your best friend 460 00:25:55,156 --> 00:25:57,556 Speaker 1: in the world. And and and just like the first 461 00:25:57,596 --> 00:25:59,476 Speaker 1: person I think I wanted to think of anything, my 462 00:25:59,596 --> 00:26:02,596 Speaker 1: first most Tracy. I think, what would Tracy said, what 463 00:26:02,676 --> 00:26:07,876 Speaker 1: would Oh Tracy, if you're into this, Uh, it's it's nice. 464 00:26:10,836 --> 00:26:14,756 Speaker 1: MAT's Michael J. Fox and Tracy Pollam. I'm sorry I 465 00:26:14,996 --> 00:26:17,996 Speaker 1: wasn't there. After I left and began to walk home, 466 00:26:18,676 --> 00:26:21,036 Speaker 1: it took me by surprise that I started to cry. 467 00:26:22,196 --> 00:26:24,836 Speaker 1: What I had been witnessed to was the grace of 468 00:26:24,956 --> 00:26:29,876 Speaker 1: two people whose lives are braided together with love, commitment, 469 00:26:30,116 --> 00:26:36,276 Speaker 1: and steel. It filled my heart. This is marriage. This 470 00:26:36,676 --> 00:26:40,676 Speaker 1: is marriage. And after our many double dates only some 471 00:26:40,916 --> 00:26:45,356 Speaker 1: of which we've shared this season, our biggest lesson turned 472 00:26:45,356 --> 00:26:49,316 Speaker 1: out to be this. There is no one secret to 473 00:26:49,476 --> 00:26:53,676 Speaker 1: a lasting marriage. No, there are a million secrets. So 474 00:26:53,916 --> 00:26:57,676 Speaker 1: keep listening for them, and we'll be listening to I'm 475 00:26:57,756 --> 00:27:04,076 Speaker 1: Filled Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas. Stay tuned for news 476 00:27:04,196 --> 00:27:07,836 Speaker 1: about the second season of Double Date. Until then, you 477 00:27:07,996 --> 00:27:12,676 Speaker 1: may hear preview of other Pushkin shows in this feed. Enjoy, 478 00:27:13,196 --> 00:27:16,556 Speaker 1: and meanwhile, treat yourself to your own double date with 479 00:27:16,716 --> 00:27:20,516 Speaker 1: other couples in your life. 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