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Speaker 1: It's welcome through the naughty but Nico. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: from Shooser and it is Thursday, which means our dear

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Speaker 1: friend Mark loupos with us. Hey, Loopy, are you there?

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Speaker 1: Luopy lou Is here? Hello rab haleeepy lou. You look

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Speaker 1: so lovely this morning. I can tell you fresh out

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Speaker 1: of the shower.

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Speaker 2: I'm just waking up, but yes, I'm feeling fresh and

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Speaker 2: always happy to see your face.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, darling. You can't do a podcast or jump

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Speaker 1: into work unless you are clean? Is that true? I

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Speaker 1: do like to feel clean.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise it's like, how do you set the intention for

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Speaker 2: the day if you're not prepared to get serious and work.

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Speaker 1: I think this is because your mommy, Doris, works at

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Speaker 1: a dental office. He likes clean. She brought you up

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Speaker 1: to be a very clean bird. Am I right?

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Speaker 2: I mean there's nothing more important to me than a

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Speaker 2: clean mouth, like hygiene, fresh breath.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. Sometimes I get a touch

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Speaker 1: of the bad breath because I have terrible sinuses, and

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Speaker 1: so I have to be very careful with it. I

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Speaker 1: goggle at both. Yes, so many times a day. Even

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Speaker 1: Doris would approve that many times a day. Okay, let'sjump

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Speaker 1: to the show. We've got tons of clean gossip to

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Speaker 1: get to and I'm a little bit dirty too. What

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Speaker 1: time is it, my friends? It is tea times, So

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Speaker 1: going on right now. Are two separate narratives Mork. Two

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Speaker 1: separate huge bombshell stories about one person, Meghan Markle. The

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Speaker 1: Daily Beast, which I love, has this huge, huge expose

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Speaker 1: about the Duchess of Sussex, who is forty three, and

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Speaker 1: it's really not very nice. It says that she mistreats

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Speaker 1: her staff, she has quote psycho moments, and she's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to work with. One source told The Daily Beast quote,

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Speaker 1: there definitely were bad, very bad, even psycho moments with Megan.

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Speaker 1: Another person said I witnessed people being chewed out in

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Speaker 1: A third source called her a narcissist and said she

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Speaker 1: can be lovely, but she has demons, and the worm turns,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, that sounds a little bit like me. However,

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Speaker 1: while this huge bombshell is blowing up, there's another another

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Speaker 1: has a very different point of view. US Weekly spoke

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Speaker 1: to several former associates who are on the record. The

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Speaker 1: mostly is on the record, and they defend Megan's leadership style.

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Speaker 1: So this is the dilemma we have here, not just

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Speaker 1: as reporters, not just as podcasters, as gossip columnists. This

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Speaker 1: is a dilemma we have in life. There's always two stories,

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Speaker 1: So which one of here? Which one is right?

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Speaker 2: This is very complicated and layered, as you just said, Rob,

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Speaker 2: And I think, if I had to guess, it's somewhere

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Speaker 2: I think who's behind it? Because I know that the

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Speaker 2: that might be not so flattering, especially towards Megan and Harry.

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Speaker 2: And while I know that Megan maybe isn't the most

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Speaker 2: know that this is, like, you know, a true representation

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I find very few people are saints or sinners.

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Speaker 1: There's a few I'm looking at you did it, but

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Speaker 1: very few people are saints or sinners. Most of us

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Speaker 1: are somewhere in the middle. But this is a job

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Speaker 1: that we have. Mark, when you were reporting at a

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Speaker 1: both sides. And I think it's our responsibility as journalist

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Speaker 1: to reflect that. However, if the overwhelming consensus is that

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Speaker 1: of listen to that too. I've got to admit in

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Speaker 1: my report in market, it's a lot easier to find

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Speaker 1: has worked with her. It's a lot easier to get

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Speaker 2: And I will say this, I met Megan and years ago,

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Speaker 2: And I can imagine once you have that power, it's

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Speaker 1: It happens. Yeah, yeah, I try not to. Last night

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Speaker 1: the East River, which is next door to the un

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Speaker 1: which is in session. So New York's grid luck this week.

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Speaker 1: so when you do a fancy show like Chris, Hello, Chris, oh,

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Speaker 1: he told me he loved me. Yesterday, I got home

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Speaker 1: and my Bruce is like, what's going on with you

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Speaker 1: God, bless so after the show, they get you a

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Speaker 1: I stopped myself and I thought, if this chap, if

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Speaker 1: on Rob's shoutet, how to tell them what a monster

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Speaker 1: I was? Don't do it? Stop yourself, hear how you

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Speaker 1: And he answer is no. I really tried, Mark to

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Speaker 1: and that's not a bad thing. I am very ambitious.

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Speaker 1: I know what I want, Yes, I go after it,

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Speaker 1: get it. Meghan did sit with you. Let's be honest, Mark,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, you know, it was just another day.

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Speaker 1: And I love that she said to thank him. He's

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Speaker 1: a very famous gossip columnist in New York, a generation

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Speaker 1: in the eighties, he met this awful person and it

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Speaker 1: early and she was a nightmare to everybody. It was Madonna,

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Speaker 1: Just like, I don't think you have to be a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: But I think being driven and a little demanding is

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Speaker 1: not a bad thing. And I think that's why Megan

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Speaker 1: If that was a man, we wouldn't care, but because

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Speaker 1: it's a woman that makes her a monster. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's why we get both sides of this story,

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Speaker 1: not because there are two Megans, but because we perceive

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Speaker 1: Meghan in different ways depending on how we arrive at

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Speaker 1: this situation, which brings us to our pole question of

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Speaker 1: the day. Meghan Markles ex staffers are offering very different

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Speaker 1: stories about working with her. Do you believe that Meghan

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Speaker 1: is a naughty boss? We're a nice boss? What do

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Speaker 1: you think there? Which one do you believe? Hey? Go

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Speaker 1: vote on our Twitter page at Naughty Nice Rob. Her

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Speaker 1: Facebook page is Naughty Yossip and be sure to check

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Speaker 1: back to Morau or to hear your results saying loopy,

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Speaker 1: what are you working on?

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Speaker 2: Well? Speaking of naughty bosses, Ellen Degeneress does not care

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Speaker 2: if you call her mien anymore. Hmm okay. So Ellen

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Speaker 2: de Generous addressed the controversy and revealed that she's proud

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Speaker 2: quote unquote of who she's become four years after being

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Speaker 2: labeled as mean. She said what other people think of

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Speaker 2: have their opinions and on the truth matters, she said,

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Speaker 2: I spent my entire life trying to make people happy,

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Speaker 2: and I've cared far too much about what people think

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Speaker 2: to me. But after years of trying to please everyone,

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Speaker 2: she's finally letting go. She said, I just can't anymore.

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Speaker 1: So I just don't. Sounds very bitter to meet. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a mean person, Mark, It sounds like a

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Speaker 1: me and Ellen actually is. I've been to every single

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Speaker 1: it was really tense, Mark, arguably the most tense TV

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Speaker 1: environments I've ever walked into. Backstage, the staff were on

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Speaker 1: pins and noodles. You know it immediately, don't you. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a TV show. It's if you're

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Speaker 1: you've got a new colleague at work. You know quickly,

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Speaker 1: don't you do?

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Speaker 2: Know?

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Speaker 1: You feel it. I've walked into places and felt so welcomed,

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Speaker 1: and it's a really a lovely feeling Ellen the opposite.

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Speaker 1: So I do think here, although we are debating Meghan

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Speaker 1: if she naughty or nice, I think we can put

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Speaker 1: this to bed here. Ellen's not the nicest person. Ellen

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Speaker 1: was very, very tough to that stuff. And I don't

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Speaker 2: And I think Rob, you know, we've been friends for

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Speaker 2: a long time and we would talk about this. This

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Speaker 2: was the biggest open secret in Hollywood for many, many years.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who worked in the industry knew about Ellen and

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Speaker 2: her ways, and so when it happened, you know, in

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Speaker 2: a way, it's shocking, but then you're like, well, this

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Speaker 2: was bound to happen at some point. And she sounds

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Speaker 2: it as if she's the victim and she's not, and

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Speaker 2: she needs to really do some more reflecting before she

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Speaker 2: comes out with another statement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ellen, this is such a bad first statement. You

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Speaker 1: about you from you, and this is how you want

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Speaker 1: to come back. And I just think, Ellen, this is

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Speaker 1: I say we should always listen to Wendy Williams. She

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