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Speaker 1: It is now officially open. This is Draft Season.

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Speaker 2: John Schmelke and Tony Pauline back off a week off

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Speaker 2: last week with the Giants playing on Thursday night. We

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Speaker 2: have a couple of weeks of college football to talk

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Speaker 2: of college football, we did an upset.

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Speaker 1: In the afternoon. I watched that game almost beginning to end.

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Speaker 2: Then we had, of course the Battle of Titans at

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Speaker 2: night between Alabama and Georgia.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: It's halftime at that game, and I had not gotten

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Speaker 2: a lot of sleep the last couple of nights. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I was close to just putting the head then on

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Speaker 2: the pillow and calling it a night.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy I.

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Speaker 2: Didn't, because that ended up being a heck of a

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Speaker 2: comeback attempt by Georgia, and really the game lived.

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Speaker 1: Up to the billing, which is not something you can

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Speaker 1: often say.

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Speaker 3: And a second upset in the SEC on the on

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Speaker 3: the side last Saturday, because you know, Kentucky over Mississippi

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Speaker 3: was an upset. I don't think too many people really

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Speaker 3: thought that Alabama would be Georgia. And just to go

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Speaker 3: along with your thought about, you know, turning the TV

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Speaker 3: off and going to bed, I had actually started writing

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Speaker 3: my Rogers and Sliders and Jalen Milroe was my number one,

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Speaker 3: you know riser, and I was writing about how all

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Speaker 3: the hype up game really didn't live up to the

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Speaker 3: hype and it was over before it started. But and

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Speaker 3: I said, you know what, let's just wait and see what. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there's this urious comeback and uh wow, I mean what,

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Speaker 3: you know, even if you don't like college football, which

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Speaker 3: I love college football, that was just an incredible game

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Speaker 3: highlighted by two players quarterbacks that are gonna be top

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Speaker 3: and we saw the best, I think the best and

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Speaker 3: worst of each of those quarterbacks, Jalen Miller of Alabama

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Speaker 3: and Carson Beck of Georgia really throughout the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, Tony, you hit it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where I wanted to start heading

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Speaker 2: into this we are last show. We had a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, you know, we talked about Jalen Miroe

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Speaker 2: and how the flashes are there. You see the athleticism,

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Speaker 2: the arm strength that times his passes can look perfect,

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Speaker 2: but there's a lack of consistency.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, what do we say?

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Speaker 2: We saw the the all the upside of the player

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Speaker 2: in the first half, and then for the next quarter

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Speaker 2: and a half you saw, all right, well maybe he

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Speaker 2: doesn't have it because now he's not looking so good,

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Speaker 2: and then he makes the big throw at the end,

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Speaker 2: and boy, that seventh in three or two years, when

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Speaker 2: we have Jeremiah Smith and Williams from Alabama coming out

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Speaker 2: in the same draft, lass and wide receiver, that's gonna

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Speaker 2: be fun. But boy it was. You saw the good

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Speaker 2: and bad in Milrow, like his entire scout of him

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Speaker 2: in one game.

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Speaker 3: After that first half. You never really rate a guy

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Speaker 3: off of one game, never mind a half. But after

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Speaker 3: that first half, you're like, Jylen Milroll is going to

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Speaker 3: be the second or third quarterback selected. He's a top

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Speaker 3: six pick. He's beaten Georgia. He's tearing Georgia part with

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Speaker 3: his arm with his legs. I think he went he

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Speaker 3: missed on three throws.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he had almost two hundred passing yards

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Speaker 1: At halftime, he was like one.

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine passing. I think it was eighteen to twenty one.

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Speaker 3: There was one ban interception within within the uh when

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Speaker 3: or seemingly out of reach. And then there was another

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Speaker 3: incomplete where the receiver dropped the ball. So he's near

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Speaker 3: he's streaky. He can't move the offense. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: They gotta get in the field goal range. You think

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Speaker 3: does he do seventy five yard touchdown bomb to a freshman.

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Speaker 3: So and I think that's the thing about Milroe is

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Speaker 3: and the physical gifts are off the charts, and his

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Speaker 3: the most part, he makes right decisions. He makes smart decisions.

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Speaker 3: He's just got to really publish his game smooth off

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Speaker 3: the rough edges, and I have a feeling that's why

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Speaker 3: I have him greeted so highly. As we go through

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five draft process, you're gonna hear more

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Speaker 3: and more about how scouts love this guy. They love

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Speaker 3: like you can interview, well, the tape is if phenomenal

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Speaker 3: points and he makes good decisions, he protects the football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tony, you know you said the scouts are

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Speaker 2: He's gonna interview well, I thought his postgame interview was phenomenal,

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Speaker 2: you know, just such a mature kid.

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Speaker 1: Seems like a good.

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Speaker 2: Kid, smiling, you know, explaining the game. Well, just a

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Speaker 2: very mature way of going about things. And you're right, Look,

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Speaker 2: people are gonna want to draft the upside here, and

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, their new head coach there bringing

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Speaker 2: you know, bringing in more pro concepts to what he's

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Speaker 2: my Penix ran in Washington. It's it's a little bit different,

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Speaker 2: but I think you're seeing him make some of these

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Speaker 3: Like Michael Penix did a year ago. I mean, remember,

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Speaker 3: I mean the allure of the attraction to Michael Pennix

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Speaker 3: he went so high, much higher than everyone thought. But

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Speaker 3: when you look at Milroe compare him to Penix, doesn't

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Speaker 3: have the medical history. He's a legitimate threat to beat

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Speaker 3: you with his legs. I'm not a fan of design

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Speaker 3: but they are used and they are necessary on occasion.

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Speaker 3: And Jaln Milroe shows, like I said that first half,

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Speaker 3: not only beat you with your arm, but he's deadly

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Speaker 1: He just turns the corner on them again in the again,

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Speaker 3: It's not like Georgia is a slouch on defense. Those

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Speaker 3: Jalen Milroe, you know, basically had them. They were chasing

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. You saw all the traits. And

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Speaker 1: then Carson Beck. If you watched the first half a this.

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Speaker 2: Game, you'd say, oh boy, yeah, first down, not about

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Speaker 2: third day, Like it was not pretty Tony. It looked

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Speaker 2: He didn't know where the defenders were going to be.

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Speaker 2: You know, he tried to throw that pass over the middle.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even get it over the defender's head to

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Speaker 2: it right to him. There were some bad decisions, like

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Speaker 2: he wasn't seeing what was happening. Then in the second

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Speaker 2: that first deep ball he threw was perfect. It was

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Speaker 2: saw what you like about Carson Be. You know, I

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Speaker 2: his arm is good enough. But he's accurate. He puts

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Speaker 2: Though his ballplacement in this game was not where you

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Speaker 2: finished the game extremely strong and almost brought Georgia to

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Speaker 3: When he basically put Georgia in the hole. I might

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Speaker 3: you know, let's see how Carson Beck responds, because he's

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Speaker 3: never really been in a situation or he's rarely in

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Speaker 3: I you know, this is gonna be a game where

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Speaker 3: it was thirty to seven at halftime. So basically you're

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Speaker 3: at that second half and they raise Carson Beck. There

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, he's functioning mobile like he can run,

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Speaker 2: he can get yards when he needs to, but he's

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Speaker 2: not the athlete that Jaylen Morrow is. Absolutely anybody else

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Speaker 2: Tony jump out at you during this game. I already

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith in a couple of years. Smith, by the way,

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Speaker 1: That kid's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Georgia wide receivers didn't necessarily impress me

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Speaker 1: Anyone else jump out of you during this game.

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Speaker 3: Especially late in the game. And I hate to uh

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Speaker 3: put point defense, but Deontay Losson the linebacker for Alabama,

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Speaker 3: he's a terrific player. He's explosive. He's what we're accustomed

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Speaker 3: to at Alabama. You know these incredibly athletic sideline to sideline.

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Speaker 3: You know middle defenders, linebackers who were also very good

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Speaker 3: at blitzing the quarterback. Keep an eye on Deontay lost

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Tony. Now I want to get to the

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Speaker 2: other upset that we mentioned. Oh miss Fawling in that

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Speaker 2: game to Kentucky. Now, maybe they should have been that

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Speaker 2: big of a surprise. We saw how Kentucky played Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Georgia had a ball with a chance to win that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just a really nice job. Indeed, do you

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Wild game where Miami was up early, Virginia Tech came back,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to the Boise State running

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Speaker 2: And for those of people my age and probably a

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Speaker 2: what it is like washting Ashtons giontay It looks like

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Speaker 3: From a college football point of view. You've got to

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Speaker 3: You think, huh ah, yes, because I think he's done

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people who are probably saying, what

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Speaker 3: You look at his numbers. You mentioned the game against Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is going to be a much better running

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Speaker 1: So that'll be fun to look at, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Anything else you want to hit before we get to

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Speaker 3: No, I mean that was basically it. From last week.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to our defensive top tens Tony.

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Speaker 2: You ever broke it down into defensive tackles, defensive ends, linebackers,

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Speaker 1: Will go through that as well.

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Speaker 2: But let's first start the defensive tackles, Tony, and not

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Speaker 2: you have Dion Walker, who you just mentioned from Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: So talk about those three as a group, and then

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Speaker 1: Question about it.

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Speaker 2: I think Walker is going to be when all said

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Speaker 3: And he's playing like it now. I mean we spoke

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to your next group. You have

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Speaker 2: four other guys, Tony with second round grades. About time.

438
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 2: We haven't had a good defensive tackle draft in a while,

439
00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,640
Speaker 2: so the NFL.

440
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,439
Speaker 1: Needs this sperately.

441
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 2: By the way, you're Walter Nolan out of Mississippi, Tylee

442
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 2: Williams out of Ohio State.

443
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 1: We've talked about him before.

444
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 2: TJ Sanders out of South Carolina, and then Bear Alexander

445
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: out of USC a better name defensive tackle.

446
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we're going to have.

447
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 3: Alexander's more of your one gap three technique type. Not

448
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 3: the biggest guy in the world, not the tallest guy

449
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: in the world, but extremely quick, explosive, plays with great

450
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 3: leverage and gets that first step on defenders. A lot

451
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 3: of people up and down on TJ. Sanders. TJ Sanders

452
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 3: is a guy. When he's on his game, he will

453
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 3: just take over the game. Watched last year's film against

454
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 3: Georgia when he was unstoppable against what was a terrific

455
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 3: Georgia offensive mind, including the center of Cedric Van Whatever.

456
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 3: His last time.

457
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,479
Speaker 1: Ben Pratt, right, thank you.

458
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 3: He's a guy, he's athletic, and he's got terrific size.

459
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: Tyleek Williams, you know you mentioned Dion Walker being a

460
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 3: very safe pick. I think it's the same thing with

461
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 3: TYLERK Williams. He comes out, he plays three downs, he

462
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 3: goes hard every snap. Not the biggest playmaker in the world,

463
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: not the most athletic guy in the world, but very consistent.

464
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan is a big athletic guy. You saw flashes

465
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: of him Saturday against the against Kentucky. You saw flashes

466
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 3: last year when he was at Texas. A and m

467
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 3: I have a second round great on he's right under

468
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 3: Mason Graham. But again, the guy who's that big, who

469
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 3: plays a priority position like defensive tackle. If he takes

470
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Speaker 3: off and then tess well in the lead up to

471
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Speaker 3: the draft, what surprise me if he ends up in

472
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 3: the back end of round one.

473
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: Anyone else in this list, Tony, that you want to

474
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: point out, I'll just point out the Zier Stackhouse that

475
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: you have in the fourth round.

476
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: I think again, that's he's just a big body. He's

477
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: a space eater.

478
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: He's a guy that I think is a pretty safe

479
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 2: pick either late day to early day three.

480
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: Anyone else from this list jump out of your stackhouses.

481
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 3: For Georgia, by the way, and Stackhaus had a good

482
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: gay I had some flashes against Alabama. He's up and down, though,

483
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 3: keep an eye on yah y'all Black of Iowa six

484
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: five and a half three hundred and thirty three pounds.

485
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 3: He's going to test relatively well. He's a guy that

486
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 3: has shown flashes of ability literally the past two years.

487
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,959
Speaker 3: You know, I want to see him put it all together.

488
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: I will be at that Ohio Steak House state game,

489
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 3: so let's see how he does against the you know

490
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: what is a good developing Ohio State offensive line. But

491
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 3: ya Ya Black, you want to talk about great names, Uh,

492
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: he's got a lot of upside. Scouts like him. Came

493
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 3: into the season with fourth round grades. He's moved into

494
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: the second day as the ability to move up even further.

495
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: From Yaya Diabi two seasons ago to ya Ya Block

496
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,239
Speaker 2: this year. Who knew a lot of ya yas ay

497
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: yah yay. All right, let's go to the defensive ens here, Tody.

498
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Speaker 1: We got to.

499
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: One only one guy with the two first round grade,

500
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: and that's James Pierce, no surprise. You have a one

501
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: slash two on J T. Tumalu from Ohio State. He

502
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 2: obviously could have came out last year, probably would have

503
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: been drafted in the same area. I would imagine maybe

504
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: early second round for him. Then you have Jordan Birch,

505
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: another player that we thought might come out last year.

506
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: He did not. He stayed in the draft.

507
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: Ashton ja Loat another guy we talked about on last

508
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: year shows that we thought might come He's kind of

509
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: like a tweener, a little bit between D tackle and

510
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: D end. And then you have sex Schamar Turner, mikel

511
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: Williams from Georgia, and Landon Jackson, all with second round

512
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: grades as well.

513
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: James Pierce. I have him as a d N you

514
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: could just as easily put him as an outside linebacker.

515
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: Not having the great knockout season that everybody thought, I

516
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: mean coming into after the twenty twenty four draft. Coming

517
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: in the season, people thought that Pierce sort of an undersized,

518
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: explosive edge rusher could be a top five pick. Really

519
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: hasn't enforced his will this year and has been very inconsistent,

520
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: but he's athletic and he gets a lot of force

521
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: off the field, Tuamy Lowell, He's a guy who shows

522
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 3: tremendous flashes. He's athletic. He's not just an edge rusher.

523
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: He can get out in this space and pursue the

524
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 3: action and make plays out to the flanks. He's good.

525
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 3: He's not great, but he does things very well. I

526
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: think would be very good in the foreman line at.

527
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: Jordan Birch is a guy. He's a bit of an enigma.

528
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 3: You know. You keep waiting for Jordan Birch to take off,

529
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: and he shows flashes of dominance. Six four and a

530
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: half two hundred ninety four pounds, He's probably gonna run

531
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: in the low four to eights, can stand over tackle,

532
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 3: he can come out of a three point stance. But

533
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: he's got to start to play to those numbers on

534
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: a snap in, snap out basis. He's really got to show,

535
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: you know that he can be a number one guy, Ashton,

536
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I haven'tgreed to hire the most

537
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: as an early second round pick sixt two and a

538
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: half two seventy five. You know, is he defensive end?

539
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 3: Is he defensive tackle? Is he a three technique guy?

540
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: Your line up inside? The guy just makes plays after

541
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: play after play behind the ball one scrimmage. He's a

542
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: disruptive force. Schamar Turner is in my opinion, one of

543
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: the most underrated players at the position. Six two hundred

544
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 3: ninety pounds four to seven seven. Very athletic. He plays

545
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: to those numbers. He makes a lot of plays up

546
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 3: the field as a pass rusher or can get out

547
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 3: in the space Mike Keil Williams. When he's on his game,

548
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: he's tough to stop. Struggling with injuries thus far this year.

549
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: Landon Jackson is a taller, stronger guy from Arkansas. Some

550
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: people have him the first round pick. I disagree. I

551
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna be a great tester, but he's

552
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: a real good football player and.

553
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: One of the guy throughout from the host Tony you

554
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: have him in the third round with Nick s Gorton

555
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: out of Texas A and m Purdue transfer. I just

556
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: like his combination of size of athletic said. He's got

557
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: a wicked spin move. I know he hasn't taken off

558
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: quite yet this year. He had a minor ankle injury,

559
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: I believe in Week one to five recall. I don't

560
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: know if he missed any time with that, but I

561
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: think s Gorton went all said and done, might be

562
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: might move up some boards from where you have him.

563
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: Bigger guy, moves very well. And the guy that I

564
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: have underneath him, Michael Green from Marshall, keep an eye

565
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: on him. I think he's got four or five sacks already.

566
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: He's a taller, thin edge rusher. He's got to just

567
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: physically mature, you know. But you know Marshall, for years

568
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 3: they had guys going in the first round. It's kind

569
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 3: of falling off. They have guys directed here and there.

570
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: I think Michael Green is a guy from Marshall who's

571
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: going to be at least the Day two pick, depending

572
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: on how long he stays in, how he continues to

573
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: develop his game and his body all right.

574
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: From defensive end outside linebacker.

575
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: This is where kind of your edgy, twitchy guys that

576
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: you have on the board that that Tony likes to

577
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: put him in this category. So you have a couple

578
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: of guys that people should be familiar with based on

579
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: our conversations here already, Tony abdul Carter, who is the

580
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: next guy in the chop, Robinson, dafe Oway, Michael Parsons,

581
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: kind of group from the Penn State, all very similar.

582
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: He was an inside backer last year. Now he's on

583
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: the edge for them.

584
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: Jalen Walker from Georgia who's had a really big start

585
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: to this year. You have his second round grade on him,

586
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: Barrett Carter out of Clemson, and then two other second

587
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: round grades. Then we'll go through the rest of the group,

588
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: Trey Moore and Jamon Dumas Johnson out of Kentucky you

589
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, Yeah, I.

590
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: Mean Abdull Carter. You watched the game against Illinois. You know,

591
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of stats early in the game,

592
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: but he was imposing his will. I mean he was

593
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: beating defensive tackle around the edge of the inside, making

594
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: the quarterback Altmeyer move his feet, you know, leave the pocket. Illinois,

595
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: who's had a really good year. It's a really good season,

596
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: as is Altmeyer, their quarterback. And I just think with Carter,

597
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: you know, I think I said this in the beginning

598
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: of the year. People are going to pigeonhole him or

599
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: broad brush him as a edgdresher, but I think he's

600
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: a lot more than that. I mean, I think he's

601
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: a guy that can play three downs's he was terrific

602
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: in space last year, they're using him more up of

603
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: the minor scrimmage, and that versatility, that ability to do

604
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: so many things well, in my opinion, is going to

605
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: push him into the very early part of the draft.

606
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: And he looks like a guy that's gonna test incredibly well.

607
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: Getto for Jaalen Walker, guy that I mentioned a couple

608
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: of times on this podcast. I watched the Georgia tape

609
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: and I kept seeing this guy who was a substitute player,

610
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: was a role player, wasn't a starter last year number eleven.

611
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: The athleticism making plays and Jalen Walker has really taken

612
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: his game to the next level as a blitzer, as

613
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: someone who can make plays in space. Guy sort of

614
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: reminds you of Nolan Smith in that capacity. It's got

615
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: a great amount of ups. Barrett Carter, I mean, he's

616
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: your traditional weak side linebacker, doesn't do a bad job

617
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: on the blitz, but he's the guy that you're gonna

618
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: use them in coverage. You're gonna use him to go

619
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: sideline and sideline. I have him as an outside linebacker.

620
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 3: Sometimes they put these guys on the inside, they use

621
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: them as inside linebackers because they can run so quickly

622
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 3: sideline to sideline. Carter is a guy who's gonna barely

623
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: measure six foot tall, two hundred and thirty ndred and

624
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: thirty five pounds, probably gonna run the four or five fives,

625
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: sort of like that type of linebacker that people have

626
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: forgotten about. You know how running backs have been downgraded,

627
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: you're off the ball. Linebackers have also been downgraded. But

628
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: Carter is one of the best ones in this draft.

629
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: Tray More, a lot of people don't know about him.

630
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: Was it Texas San Antonio last year? He showed flashes.

631
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm told that the Texas coaches love him. He's got

632
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: great upside. He is more of your Abdual Carter type,

633
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: a real good pass rusher who also has the ability

634
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: to play in space. Jam and Doumis Johnson we talked

635
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: about him earlier. And then Derek More out of Michigan,

636
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: who's having a good year for you know, a Wolverine

637
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: team that is a little bit down espasically compared the

638
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: last year when he won the national championship because they've

639
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: lost so much talent on the offensive side of the ball.

640
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: But Derek Moore is also you know, you're a big, stout,

641
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: three down linebacker. I have him as an outside linebacker,

642
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: but again you could stick him on the inside as well.

643
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Anybody else in this group told me that you want

644
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: to touch on Holland.

645
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Oliver is a guy from Oklahoma State. Scouts like, but

646
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: he got injured early on power Echos of North Carolina

647
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: has shown flashes. Just a great athlete. I mean, it's

648
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: gonna be under it's gonna measure about six foot tall,

649
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: maybe a shade less two hundred thirty pounds, but he's

650
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: gonna run low four fours any plays to that speed.

651
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Speaker 1: And then you have Jackson.

652
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll ask you about you have Jack Sawyer all

653
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Speaker 2: the way in the fourth round here, which I think

654
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Speaker 2: some Ohio State fans might be upset.

655
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Speaker 3: About six four and a half two hundred and sixty

656
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: three pounds is probably gonna run in the four rates.

657
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a good college pass rusher. Is the

658
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: defensive end on Sunday? Is he an outside line I

659
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: think he's a situational pass rusher on Sunday unless he

660
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Speaker 3: surprises people with his pre draft testing, and as such,

661
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Speaker 3: I think that's why his draft, that's why I have

662
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Speaker 3: his draft stock. A little bit further.

663
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Speaker 2: Down, let's go to the insideline backers here, Tony, and

664
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Speaker 2: the only guy with the first record you have is

665
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Speaker 2: Harold Perkins out of lc who, unfortunately now that was

666
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: dealing with a serious injury.

667
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: And a lot of people thought he was an edge rusher.

668
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: I go back to his early days at LSU, where

669
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Speaker 3: he was like a heat seeking missile going sideline to

670
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: sideline would find the ball handler, who was basically a

671
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: knockout hitter. Covers a lot of area on the field.

672
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: You know, people are talking about him as a as

673
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: a edge rusher, but he's only about six twenty pounds

674
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: and now he's dealing with an injury. Unfortunately.

675
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, your three guys at second round grades Danny Stutsman,

676
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: Nick Martin, and Lander Barton.

677
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: Stutsman is the guy that NFL scouts love. I mean,

678
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: we'll talk about this in a little while, but Stutsman

679
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: came into the year with basically some of the higher

680
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: grades from the senior class first round grades. He's tough,

681
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: he's smart, he's relatively athletic. He's very explosive, good against

682
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: the pass, can play the run, but again he's more

683
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: of that. He's not the Abdull Carter pass rusher. He's

684
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: more of your traditional three down linebacker and run defending

685
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Speaker 3: the run and covering the past, which is why I

686
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: have a second round grade on him. But you never know.

687
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: I mean, so Jack Campbell, right if I would go

688
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: in the first round a couple of years ago. He's

689
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: that similar type of player.

690
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the defensive mean, sorry.

691
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: Nick Martin of Oklahoma State. Coming into the year, Colin Oliver,

692
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 3: his teammate, got high grades from scouts. Oliver got was injured,

693
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: and then Nick Martin has just taken over at Oklahoma

694
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: State for Oklahoma State's defense when they play defense, even

695
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: when they don't, you know, you can see Oliver number four.

696
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: You see Martin number four just roaming in the field.

697
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy is incredibly athletic. He's very fast

698
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: in every direction of the field. Not a bad blitzer,

699
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: but great in space.

700
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the defensive backs.

701
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Speaker 2: Tony and cornerbacks dominate this in terms of first round grades, though,

702
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the one safety that

703
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: you have in the second round. Actually have two or

704
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: three of them, but the top one is Malachi Starks.

705
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people have him as a first round pick.

706
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: What's holding you back from giving him a first round grade?

707
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Speaker 3: Ton could be? I mean, I could understand that it's

708
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: just that, and he's not bad in coverage. And I

709
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: look at these guys, you know, are they a liability

710
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: or when they play over the slot receiver and the

711
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: issue is no. For Malachai Starks, underclassmen want to see

712
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: how he tests. And I hate to say this is

713
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: kind of a blend on me, but you know, the

714
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Speaker 3: safety's kind of downgraded as not first as a priority

715
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: position or first round position. I can understand why people

716
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: will put a first round grade on the bough.

717
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: You have a couple of other safeties with the second

718
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: round picks. Why don't knock that position out first? You

719
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: have Billy bone Men out of Oklahoma, Rod Moore out

720
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: of Michigan, Tony and then you have a couple of

721
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: third round grades with Dante Trader, nick A Moon Worri

722
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: and Malik Verdon and Ma Worry.

723
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Speaker 3: Is the guy that we spoke about with Bruce Felman

724
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: in our first show Bowman. He's a complete safety, terrific

725
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: run defender, good covering center field, excellent against the past.

726
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: Rod Moore is that similar type of safety struggle has

727
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: struggled with some injuries, just hasn't put it together. And

728
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: Mawari looks more like a linebacker in the secondary the

729
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: way he plays. He's so large and he's so imposing.

730
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: And even the guy I have on the Mari Burden,

731
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: is like Morari and that he looks like a big linebacker,

732
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: playmaking linebacker in the secondary.

733
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the quarnerback position.

734
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Speaker 2: Tony and two guys that and we're gonna hit this

735
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Speaker 2: as our last point today about consensus first round picks.

736
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Speaker 2: But two guys that I feel like are fairly consensus

737
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: for the first round is Benjamin Morrison out of Notre

738
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: Dame and Will Johnson out of Michigan. Though I think,

739
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: unlike most people, you have Morrison ahead of Johnson right now.

740
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: Right because I think Morrison does a better job making

741
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: plays with his back to the ball. Johnson doesn't do

742
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: a bad job of it. I think with Johnson, teams

743
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: just don't throw in his direction. But I like Morrison's

744
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: ability to make plays with his back to the ball.

745
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 3: I also like his size, speed numbers.

746
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can go wrong with either guy absolutely.

747
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: And then you have Denzel Burke and Tacario Davis with

748
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: kind of fringe first early second round grades, and then

749
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: you have a bunch of second round grades here, Tony,

750
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 2: you got Davison, Igbindison from Ohio State.

751
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I probably butchered that. I apologize.

752
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: Shavon Revel, We've talked about him out of East Carolina,

753
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: Mansor Delane, we just mentioned him earlier out of Virginia Tech.

754
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: And John A. Barn out of Texas. A lot of

755
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: guys that you like there with second round grades at dB.

756
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Baron is more of your nickelback. I don't think

757
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: he's a starting cornerback. Revel from East Carolina suffered in

758
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: ACL injury and practice about a week and a half ago,

759
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: so he's done for the year. I mean he is

760
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: your prototypical six to two, one hundred and ninety pounds

761
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: runs in the fourth. He's more of a size speed guy.

762
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: He's a good cornerback, but he needed a lot of

763
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: work on his ball skills, where I said Benjamin Morrison

764
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: does a great job making plays with his ball. Ravel

765
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: does a lot of face guarding. I don't it doesn't

766
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: matter as of right now because he's not playing the

767
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: rest of the season. I'm sure he'll go through the

768
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: process and decide whether or not he's going to enter

769
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: the draft. Some people thought he could be a first

770
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: round pick. I don't know. I mean, it's the the

771
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks that usually draft those bigger, fast cornerbacks regardless

772
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: of the ball skills, very early. The two Ohio State kids.

773
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. It'd be someone who is the

774
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: third year junior six one and a half, one hundred

775
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: ninety pounds, one hundred ninety pounds at corner and he's

776
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: shown developing more ball skills. Denzel Burke not as athletic,

777
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: but very consistent. Struggled a little bit last year that

778
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: made the right decision. Come back in twenty twenty four,

779
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: and I think he's got starting ability on Sunday.

780
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: All right, final thing for you, Tony, unlessre's someone else

781
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: in the DBS, you want to mention.

782
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: That we didn't get to.

783
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: Uh No, that's about.

784
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: It, okay.

785
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: Jim Nague said out of tweet this morning this we're

786
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: recording this on Monday, it'll be airing on Tuesday, so

787
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: I'll just read the tweet. Spoke to four NFL execs

788
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: this past week and all said the same thing about

789
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: the upcoming twenty twenty five draft.

790
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: There's this is bold his emphasis, not mine. Unusually small

791
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: number of short fire first rounders this year. Amount of

792
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: round one grades in most drafts is in mid teens,

793
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: and good drafts tend to have low twenties. Based on

794
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: these conversations I'm having, there's less than ten consensus first

795
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: rounders right now at this point of the fall scouting process.

796
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler replied to that, he says, basically, from what

797
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: he's talking to, he's getting the same feedback from people, Tony,

798
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: Are you getting the same?

799
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Speaker 3: Yes and no. I mean there's gotta be some context here.

800
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: Are we just talking about seniors? Are we talking about all,

801
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: you know, all players including junior So I don't know

802
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: what the context was. Now, a couple of things you

803
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: mentioned in the past about how conservative I am on

804
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: my grades, especially with quarterbacks. If you talk to scouts,

805
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: especially this early in the process, they're even more conservative.

806
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: But I mean they are crazy conservatives. Let's break it down.

807
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: The only underclassman quarterback that got a first round grade

808
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: coming into the season by scouts was Shidor sanders Quin

809
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: Yours was graded as a third round pick by scouts.

810
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: Coming into the season, and a lot of people think

811
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: he's a top ten pick. I don't, but a lot

812
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: of people's in the top ten. Times he was given

813
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: a third round grade. Carson Strong was graded as a

814
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: Day two pick coming into the season. You know whether

815
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: they've moved that. With the Miami Quarterbacks, cam Ward was

816
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: basically given a fourth round grade coming into the season.

817
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: So I the other thing, they're not adjusting their draft

818
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: bars on a week by week basis these teams, because

819
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: you have the area scouts, and the area scouts get

820
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: together and then they adjust their board. So they'll have

821
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: meetings towards the end of the regular calls season, and

822
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: I think we'll see that number move up. I can

823
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: understand it, especially with the quarterbacks because you have all

824
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: these people. You know, Drew al Lar, I mean guarantee

825
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: you no scouts have a first round grade on Jewel

826
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: Drew a Law. I love Jalen Milrose. I think he's

827
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: gonna be an early pick, but I think if he

828
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: talked to one hundred scouts, ninety nine scouts would not

829
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: have a first round pick on Jaln Milroe. That's the

830
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: way it's done, especially this early in the season.

831
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and something else, Dan Bruger, who are gonna travel

832
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: on the show next few weeks. We're gonna start throwing

833
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: in some guests here as we get deeper into the

834
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: college season, Tony. But you know, he kind of said

835
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Speaker 2: he doesn't think that there right now, consensus wise, is

836
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: a lock top ten quarterback. Would you consider right now

837
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: that there's consensus on a lock top ten quarterback or

838
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: people all over the place on Sanders and back and

839
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, yours and and all these other guys.

840
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm looking at my board now. The only top

841
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: ten quarterback I have is Shador Sanders, and he hasn't

842
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: played all that well this year. You know a couple

843
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: of reasons, because he doesn't have a great offensive line.

844
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: But go back to what I said with cam Ward

845
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: about the poor fundamentals, throwing the ball across his body,

846
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: the releasing passes late. That is what Shador Sanders does

847
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 3: times two. I mean he's constantly throwing across his body.

848
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: He doesn't throw a proper footwork, and that's going to downgrade.

849
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: And remember, Shador Sanders came into the season granted by

850
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: some scouts as a top ten pick. I don't know

851
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: that people feel that his game is taken next level.

852
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: It's kind of even leveled off, and from a fundamental

853
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: point of view, it may have regressed. The only top

854
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: ten rate I have on a quarterback right now would

855
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: be Shador Sanders.

856
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

857
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: And you know what, And you know they ask mel

858
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: Kiper when he comes on ESPN, all these questions about

859
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: these top guys, and I'm just scrolling through his top

860
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: ten right now, and he doesn't have any quarterbacks in

861
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: his top ten. I'm trying to find where his first

862
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: quarterback pops in, and it should. We're saying there's a two,

863
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: So it sounds like all you guys are kind of

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Speaker 2: he is Beck at thirteen and yours and fourteen, and

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Speaker 2: Ward at fifteen, so he is. I think he's played

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Speaker 2: it safe having those four guys all next to each other.

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Speaker 2: Where do you which one of these guys, Tony do

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Speaker 2: you think has the biggest stretch of grades from from

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Speaker 2: scouts where some guy might have him top ten, other

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Speaker 2: guy might have him like in round four.

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Speaker 3: Cam Ward, No doubt about it. I mean, because like

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Speaker 3: I said, you know, people looking at the past couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks, they look at the Florida game, how incredible

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Speaker 3: he was you know that they look at the game

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Speaker 3: against Virginia Tech. You know, I've seen I've seen mot

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Speaker 3: DRez like just just checking that some out this morning

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Speaker 3: they have cam Ward as a top five pick. I

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Speaker 3: guarantee you if you talk to a lot of people

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Speaker 3: scouts in the business, they're gonna say, yeah, bottom about

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Speaker 3: him half a second round. The other guy would be

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Speaker 3: Quinn viewers. Like I said, I mean, people think top

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Speaker 3: ten Quinn viewers came into the season with third round

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Speaker 3: grades and now he's injured and Arch Manning has taken over,

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Speaker 3: you know, the job and headlines at the University of Texas.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to go back to quin yours,

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Speaker 3: but that that's not going to help Quinn. You weres

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Speaker 3: who while some people think he's a top ten pick,

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Speaker 3: scouts are saying day two.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting and I should point out to people too obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know this is a draft podcast. Is that a

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Speaker 2: giant podcast per se? But a lot of Giant fans

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Speaker 2: obviously are listening to this based on that, you know,

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Speaker 2: hosted on giants dot Com or podcast platforms everything like that.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just say this very briefly, Tony, that a

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Speaker 2: lot of giant fans are like, oh, just wait for

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Speaker 2: arch Manning. Guys like the Manning family has said this,

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Speaker 2: like they want him four years unless you want to

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Speaker 2: went like three seasons. I want to hold your breath here.

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Speaker 2: Guys like arch man is gonna be there for a while.

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Speaker 2: I think the Mannings realized Tony and rightfully. So if

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Speaker 2: you look at some of the success these quarterbacks have

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Speaker 2: had the last couple of years, is the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 2: have played a lot in college that have had the

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Speaker 2: fastic success in the NFL. Go back to Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: who was in college. I know we didn't start a

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Speaker 2: lot of games early in his career, but he was

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Speaker 2: in college for a long time. He was an older prospect,

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Speaker 2: right Jayden Daniels was in there for a long time playing.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys that have.

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Speaker 2: Been there for a longer period of time end up

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Speaker 2: having the most success right away, as.

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Speaker 3: Did Peyton Manning. I mean, because if you remember, I mean,

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Speaker 3: they only have to look as their own family. Everyone

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Speaker 3: thought that Peyton Manning was going to come out as

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Speaker 3: everyone believe Peyton Manning was gonna come out as a junior.

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Speaker 3: The New York Jets held the top pick of the

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven draft, Bill Parcells had just taken over

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Speaker 3: to the New York Jets. It made complete sense. And

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Speaker 3: what happens. He goes back to school because he wants

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Speaker 3: to try and win the Heisman Trophy. He wants to

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Speaker 3: be Florida, he wants to play an the SC championship game.

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Speaker 3: None of that worked out, but that was probably, you know,

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Speaker 3: and parcel to Peyton Manning being such a terrific college

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Speaker 3: pro quarterback, although he wouldn't have been probably anyway, but still,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it helped him the fact that you know,

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Speaker 3: he went back that for that extra year. And don't

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Speaker 3: forget you know, Peyton Manning Ryan Leaf were in the

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Speaker 3: same draft. There were some people who like Ryan Leaf

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Speaker 3: more than Peyton Manning because he had the better arm,

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Speaker 3: he was bigger, is more. The vertical passer wasn't even

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Speaker 3: a contest. And I guarantee you if you talk to

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Speaker 3: Archie man and you talk to Peyton, they'll say, stay

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Speaker 3: in that extra year really helped me really improve my game.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, good stuff by frid.

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Speaker 2: I know, Alwa's good to talk to you, absolutely, John

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Speaker 2: Moodies dot com. For Tony Pouline from sports Keta, I

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Speaker 2: am John Schmelt. Thanks you for doing this on Draft season.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.

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