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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to this week's work in progress. Friends. I know

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is off to a hell of a

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Speaker 1: start and a lot of us are wondering where to turn.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is someone I often turn to to help

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Speaker 1: me make sense of what's going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: Her coverage is incredible. There's few journalists that have operated

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Speaker 1: at the crossroads of influenced scrutiny and national crisis quite

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Speaker 1: like Mika Brazenski, co host of Morning Joe, the long

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Speaker 1: running news program that is ripe with opinions about politics, policy,

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Speaker 1: and people in power. Mika has been at the heart

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Speaker 1: of the story for decades, from reporting at Ground zero

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Speaker 1: on September eleventh, to navigating a high profile professional personal

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Speaker 1: partnership to facing very intense scrutiny over engagement with certain

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Speaker 1: powerful political figures. But she consistently sticks to her principles.

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Speaker 1: She shows up and does the work to defend democracy

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Speaker 1: and to demonstrate her professional integrity while focusing on the

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Speaker 1: issues she is most passionate about. One of her most

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Speaker 1: impactful contributions, in my mind and many others, happens to

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Speaker 1: be that she's turned her own battle with self doubt

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Speaker 1: into a movement for women called Know Your Value. Know

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Speaker 1: Your Value helps women reclaim power, redefine career timelines, and

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Speaker 1: thrive on their own terms. And today I'm going to

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Speaker 1: ask Mika how she thinks we can do that as

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Speaker 1: we hunker down for twenty twenty six for the fight

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Speaker 1: ahead out in the world and the battles we might

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Speaker 1: be fighting at home. Let's dive in with Mika Brazenski.

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Speaker 2: Hi, how are you.

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Speaker 1: It's such a weird question these days, right.

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Speaker 2: I know, it really is. I guess my answer is

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Speaker 2: I feel blessed and I'm very concerned about everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's a very interesting duality to live in.

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Speaker 2: It is, it is.

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Speaker 1: Well, let us dive in, Mika. It's so lovely to

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Speaker 1: see you. Thank you for taking the time to come

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Speaker 1: on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled. I always have the best time when I

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Speaker 1: get to come on your show, and it's.

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Speaker 2: Fun to have you in my space. Now, Yes, here

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Speaker 2: I am. I'm a little nervous, but well I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: We're easy peasy over here, obviously, there's a million wild

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Speaker 1: things to talk about that have happened over the last week.

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Speaker 1: But before we sort of dive into the present and

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Speaker 1: purpose and the good, the bad.

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Speaker 2: And the ugly.

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Speaker 1: I actually really like to go backwards with people, because

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Speaker 1: you know, millions of people sit and watch you every

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Speaker 1: day and have for years, and they know about your

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Speaker 1: life and your career. But I always really wonder when

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Speaker 1: I sit down with people, I admire if if you

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Speaker 1: got to go back in time and interact with your

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Speaker 1: younger self at eight or nine years old, would you

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Speaker 1: see aspects of Mica as a little girl that are

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Speaker 1: still present in you today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, and I see some aspects that I

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Speaker 2: wish I could have changed in my younger self. Maybe

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Speaker 2: that was a little little girl. Absolutely. I was the

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Speaker 2: daughter of refugee, these two older brothers, and we were

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Speaker 2: brought up to have goals and to contribute back to society,

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Speaker 2: would go back and tell myself to slow down, to

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Speaker 2: do all those things, but much more slowly, and to

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Speaker 2: know what I know now, and that is that there's

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Speaker 2: such a long runway in your life and career that

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Speaker 2: Actually you missed the moment. And so I look back

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Speaker 2: major components of the messages on my women's platform, know

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Speaker 2: your value is slow down. It's a long runway, and

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Speaker 1: Can get in the way of your joy or or

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Speaker 2: Other people's joy. My daughter's I tell you that, they

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Speaker 2: You know, right right, And I know how it happened

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Speaker 2: because when my parents came here, I mean the family

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Speaker 2: worst and coming to America with nothing, and so everything

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Speaker 2: they did, everything was on the line every time, and

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Speaker 2: There was nobody. So their attitude was like all hands

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Speaker 2: But we've got to we've got to build, we've got

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Speaker 2: framework for this, and so it was built into me

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Speaker 2: that everything is on the line at all times, and

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Speaker 2: actually in this time, that is actually an important mindset

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Speaker 2: So I'm not veering into politics and less you want to.

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Speaker 2: But my point is everything that happened really is happening

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Speaker 2: this is dead serious democracy. It's fragile, and it's serious,

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Speaker 2: and it's based on values, it's based on beliefs, and

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Speaker 2: it's based on everybody working toward the same thing. And

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Speaker 2: we're not there anymore. So they'd be heartbroken. But when

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Speaker 2: and I know it even more now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it must, in a strange way, make you

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Speaker 1: I think maybe because people have luckily known such relative

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Speaker 1: really remember where we come from.

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Speaker 1: The ones that are still alive and old enough who

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Speaker 1: they started with the stories, they started with the terminology,

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Speaker 1: then they started with the deportations. It's happening, And I

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Speaker 1: think for a lot of people it's very hard to

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Speaker 1: register that the Boogeyman isn't a villain who walks in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, except us just writing down

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Speaker 2: So we have people my age and older I'm fifty eight,

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Speaker 2: So as you talk about the loss of a sense

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Speaker 2: anxieties that we as parents who are saying, don't forget

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Speaker 2: our history. Please, don't forget our history. Our lives depend

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Speaker 2: speaking to a young generation that's very anxious and has

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. That's an excellent point, thank you,

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Speaker 1: But it really is fascinating to me, and I think

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Speaker 1: the other incredible things that he did it in Carter's

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Speaker 1: National Security Advisor. I mean, I can't imagine what the

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Speaker 1: Do you think about that, the things you learned from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the household I grew up and was absolutely fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I mean, not only was my dad a national security advisor.

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Speaker 2: But my mom was a world renowned sculptor and she

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Speaker 2: did these two ton pieces using a chainsaw and massive

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Speaker 2: So it was always like art, politics, foreign policy, let's debate,

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Speaker 2: so very kind of I always kind of consider myself

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Speaker 2: there was the runt of the pack where my two

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Speaker 2: it's perfect. Yeah, the morning table discussions we have feel

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Speaker 2: No, I'm very concerned about my daughter's futures, their lives,

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Speaker 1: This is your life, this is your family.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: He is clearly a wonderful support system for you. As

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Speaker 2: a professional This is the easier part. I think he's

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Speaker 2: literally the most talented man on television in the world

436
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: the political analysis and news. Name one who comes close.

437
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: And I've always felt that way, and I felt like

438
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: when we met and when the show started, we both

439
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: sort of were better together than we were doing our

440
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: separate shows that we did alone. And it was a

441
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: lot of people said to me, oh, how long have

442
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: you guys known each other? And I was like, I

443
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: met him an hour ago or yesterday. I mean, I

444
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about. And so that came

445
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: first where everyone was sort of like having this reaction

446
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: to how we were. We were so natural together on

447
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: the air, and he is literally the kindest person I

448
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: will ever know. He comes across so confident, and people

449
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: I think tend to think things come easy for him,

450
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: and I see what he does to lift people up,

451
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: every single person on our show when we started Mourning Joe,

452
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: and this reflects in his life as well. He is

453
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: always making sure that he puts the person he's speaking with,

454
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Speaker 2: or the people he has on the show, or the

455
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Speaker 2: person he's introducing to or someone in is above himself.

456
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: And he's always in service of others, and he does

457
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: it so well that people don't even know it's happening.

458
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Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many careers he's revived, including

459
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Speaker 2: quite frankly, when we started our show, a lot of

460
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: us were like, where do we all come from. We

461
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: all well had all left or been moved out of

462
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: different slots and different jobs, and we all ended up.

463
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Speaker 2: If you look at like Mourning Joe nineteen twenty years ago,

464
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: it was like Joe knew how to make a symphony work,

465
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: and this symphony of conversation, of positive, sivil, idealistic, hopeful

466
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: conversation that also includes political prognostication. And he's able to

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Speaker 2: move everyone forward, challenging them every step of the way

468
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: in a gentle enough way that their best comes out.

469
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: And he does that in his personal life and is

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Speaker 2: with his family as well. He's always bringing the best

471
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Speaker 2: out in people. And the only thing I'll say is

472
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Speaker 2: the part that I can explain is that we're together

473
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day and we're just so happy.

474
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: And that's I don't really know what that's about. But

475
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: when you find that, you know, you you cherish it.

476
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: And of course it's not I can't really say, like

477
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: he brings me ice cream. I don't know what it is,

478
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Speaker 2: but it's just always together. I can. I'll have him

479
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: come in and say hi. Oh wait but he won't

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Speaker 2: Oh but he won't have headphones, come say hi to

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Speaker 2: Sophia behind that wall.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think after a couple of years or

484
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: twenty you might be like, I need a little space.

485
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Speaker 2: That's just not how we are. It's a little weird.

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00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: We'll say. People are like, oh, you do this, so

487
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: you together twenty four to seven, and we're both like, yeah, okay, that's.

488
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Speaker 1: How we like it.

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00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something really incredible about that sort of

491
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Speaker 1: lightning rod experience when you are an adult and suddenly

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00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: you realize like, oh, it's it's you wait what And

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I've now come across enough couples who've

494
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: had the experience and you just go, oh, this is something,

495
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Speaker 1: and then yeah, you don't you don't want to waste

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Speaker 1: a minute. And I think that's very cool. I am

497
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: curious for you too, because I mean, you just, you know,

498
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: waxed poetically about your connection.

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Speaker 2: How do you.

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Speaker 1: Figure out did you have to set ground rules for

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Speaker 1: how you would manage disagreements or differences of opinion over

502
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Speaker 1: stories or at work or has it always just felt

503
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Speaker 1: like even when you don't agree, you can understand each other.

504
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: So Sophia's asking how we manage disagreements, especially on the show,

505
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Speaker 2: or does it just I'm going to give them an headphone?

506
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Speaker 2: Can I do that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Give him an airplod I love it and say hi,

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Speaker 2: I was just talking about how we're together twenty four seven.

510
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: This is so fun.

511
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Speaker 1: By the way, you just got a belated holiday gift.

512
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: In the way that this woman is talking about you too,

513
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: it's so sweet. It makes me want to cry.

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Speaker 5: It's really something.

515
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: And we do spend so much time together and we

516
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: do manage disagreements pretty well. But the way we manage

517
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: our disagreements are by being.

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00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 5: Very straightforward with each other. Yeah, very safety, and I

519
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: let her win rest of the time.

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Speaker 1: Heavy wife, happy life, honey.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, happy wife, happy life.

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Speaker 2: No. You know.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing is that we balance each other out

524
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Speaker 3: very well. I think in the past we were both

525
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: a bit more passive aggressive before we met each other,

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Speaker 3: and that we'd say, let's just keep the peace and

527
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: let's sweep.

528
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 5: Everything under the carpet.

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Speaker 3: And so when we met each other, we were just

530
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Speaker 3: very straightforward and it's very easy to say, you know, hey,

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Speaker 3: we never go to bed.

532
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 5: Angry when you fight all day. We don't fight all

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Speaker 5: day now.

534
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Speaker 3: But if there are any problems we get it right

535
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Speaker 3: out of the but we have such a trust in

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Speaker 3: each other that we we have each other's best interest

537
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: in heart. That helps, But sometimes it hurts. Sometimes it

538
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: hurts really bad. I'm a musician and I write songs.

539
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: I've been doing it since I was fourteen years old.

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Speaker 3: You didn't tell her this.

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Speaker 5: Did you.

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00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: I did not know that.

543
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so good. You'd just go on Spotify and

544
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: look up Joe Scarborough. I'm so good, Sophia. I have

545
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: been living under a rock.

546
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: So Mika is my biggest fan and biggest supporter, and

547
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: she pushes me. But sometimes, very rarely, like this past weekend.

548
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: I'll play a song for it, go what do you think?

549
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: And this line I think it was Sunday. She listened

550
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: to the song and I'm thinking she's gonna really love

551
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Speaker 3: this one.

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00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: Head and hands. At the end, she goes, what am

553
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 5: I supposed to do?

554
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 6: I said, just tell the truth, sweetie, just tell the

555
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 6: truth like you always do. She goes, it's awful, but

556
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 6: you know, like you're like what, she doesn't know what

557
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 6: she's talking about.

558
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: But then again, because we trust each other so much,

559
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: when I'm spending the rest of the day going okay,

560
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: how do I need to rearrange that?

561
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 5: And that's that. It helps.

562
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: It always helps to have that person that can tell

563
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: you no, that you know is in your corner.

564
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: You know well.

565
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: And I was saying this to Mika before you came in.

566
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Speaker 1: I think there's something really there's something so special about

567
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: your your life and the future it sets up for

568
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: you when you have that, you know, settled adult experience

569
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Speaker 1: and suddenly this person who sits in front of you

570
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: all day you go like, wait a second, it's you,

571
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and there's I don't know you. You

572
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: already had so much under your belt, in your in

573
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: your rhythm, and it's it's really cool to see you guys.

574
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: And I like.

575
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Getting this moment with you too, because I love coming

576
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: on the show and being like, well, the thing about democracy,

577
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: but this is also really fun.

578
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

579
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: Now we're we are extraordinarily blessed and we know it.

580
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: Every day we wake up.

581
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Speaker 3: I will tell you, we wake up at four thirty

582
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Speaker 3: every morning, and at forty four thirty every morning we go.

583
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

584
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: And then at four thirty one we're like, Okay, we're grateful,

585
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: we have a job, we're together.

586
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: And yeah, so we have We're blessed, very very pleased.

587
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, guys, I'll give you all right, thank.

588
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 4: You sweeting, all right, so sweet, he is sweet, So

589
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: good to see you, she said, sweet, I love I

590
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: love a little a little drive by drop in.

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Speaker 1: It's so lovely. You know something I'm really curious about

592
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: sort of expanding on this, and I know people want

593
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: to know about it now. And I think about it

594
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: in terms of you have commitments as journal lists, you

595
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: have personal opinions. You have a sometimes a requirement that

596
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: you leave your opinions at the door to do your jobs.

597
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: You know each other's opinions more intimately than most because

598
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: you're married. When you come up against a moment like

599
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: the big explosive thing where you know, you've both been

600
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: incredibly vocal critics of our current president and his administration,

601
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: rightfully so. But in twenty twenty four you went tomorrow

602
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: lago to meet with him. People were very upset. I

603
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, you know, as your friend, and

604
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: sometimes guessed. I was like, what are they doing? And

605
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, right, journalism, that's yeah, calm down,

606
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: Sophia and I and I've thought about you guys a

607
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: lot since then, because you signed up to inform the public,

608
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: and sometimes that means putting your personal opinion aside. And

609
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: the Internet is hot and angry all the time. But

610
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, now it's twenty twenty six and I think

611
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: we're far enough past it. I'm curious how it felt

612
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: for you. You know, everybody wants to know if you

613
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: were chastised enough, or some people will say, well, what

614
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: did you expect? But I'm less curious about the internet's

615
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: opinions and more curious about how you figure out how

616
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: to be a human with feelings and also do your job.

617
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: Well.

618
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: That's kind of a daily challenge because every day there's

619
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: a new challenge and something new that is that we

620
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: have to address. It's such a difficult time, and the

621
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Speaker 2: reaction to the meeting that we had and quite frankly

622
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: ongoing conversations that we're having is I guess painful because

623
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you know. I don't think the

624
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: solution is not talking, So that will never be a

625
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Morning Joe solution to like cut off yourself from people

626
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: who are in power to try and understand what's going

627
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Speaker 2: on to help move the conversation in any way we

628
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Speaker 2: can in a positive direction that brings smart voices to

629
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Speaker 2: the table that help understand what's happening, but also say

630
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Speaker 2: what it is.

631
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Speaker 5: Right.

632
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Speaker 2: All of that involves doing your job and making calls

633
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: and meeting with people and so you know it is.

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Speaker 2: It is something that would do again, and I would

635
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Speaker 2: do again tomorrow. Right. The one thing that I think

636
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: that we and me especially I realized when this past

637
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: election and Trump won. I don't know how many times

638
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: I can line my hair on fire and tell people that,

639
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, when he says he's going to do something,

640
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: he means it. And it's been very frustrating and hard

641
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: to communicate and hard to sort of distill, which is,

642
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: you know, our job. It's sort of like help people

643
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: understand what is going on. Joe is really good at

644
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 2: prognosticating in politics. We'd all bring different expertise to the table.

645
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: But the one part that has been frustrating is the

646
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: and this people on all political backgrounds, all sides of

647
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: the aisle, both sides of the aisle, are I think

648
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: guilty of saying, well, he doesn't really mean it. I mean,

649
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many people I spoke to

650
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: who definitely understood the concerns of another Trump presidency, who

651
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: were experts on our show and off our show with

652
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: deep knowledge of history, and this is what they do.

653
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: They study this. Who did not think that he was

654
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Speaker 2: serious about retribution, who did not think he was serious

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Speaker 2: about tariffs. I know there are a lot of Trump

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Speaker 2: voters that I spoke to myself in the state of Florida,

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Speaker 2: for example, when prices for a service jumped sixty percent,

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Speaker 2: and you'd ask why, and they'd say, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: the tariffs. And I'd be like, you voted for him,

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Speaker 2: and now this is happening to your business. And the

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Speaker 2: Trump voter would say, well, I didn't think he was

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Speaker 2: serious about it. And I'm just thinking to myself, this

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Speaker 2: is the part of this that I'm still working through,

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Speaker 2: and I I invite help on understanding because I grew

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Speaker 2: up in a very realistic family that is like thinks

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Speaker 2: the worst first and you know, and prepares for the worst.

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Speaker 2: And when someone tells you who they are, my job

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Speaker 2: is to believe them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back in just a minute after a

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Speaker 1: few words from our favorite sponsors. It's really interesting, you know,

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Speaker 1: the entirety of what you just said gives me a

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Speaker 1: few thoughts. So I'm going to try to make sure

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Speaker 1: I get them all out one being. I really thought

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Speaker 1: about this for the two of you, and it did

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Speaker 1: shape and shift, you know, even some of my maybe

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Speaker 1: unconscious thoughts about journalists. When I saw him starting to

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Speaker 1: ban journalists from the White House, ban the AP, welcome

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist bloggers, and I was going, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we have to have journalists. Are real, true journalists there

680
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Speaker 1: everywhere all the time. You know, thank you for doing

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Speaker 1: your job no matter what. And then when you say

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Speaker 1: the second piece about why people don't take him seriously,

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Speaker 1: I feel the same way as Yumika. It makes me crazy.

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Speaker 1: For a decade, so many of us feel like we've

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Speaker 1: been screaming into the void warning about what's coming. And

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Speaker 1: the sort of duality I sit with, and the way

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Speaker 1: I try to talk to people who might be coming

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Speaker 1: around to reality or who also want to talk about

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, I think we're in a strange

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Speaker 1: It's like riding a seesaw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because so many of the.

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Speaker 1: Things he says are so unhinged that you think someone's

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Speaker 1: going to stop him, but no one knows.

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Speaker 2: No, it's no one's coming, No one's coming, No one's

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Speaker 2: coming because.

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Speaker 1: He loves retribution, and everyone's afraid. And it's this the

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Speaker 1: duality I see is, on one.

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Speaker 2: Hand, you can't be afraid. Yes, I will never be afraid.

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Speaker 2: I will, and me.

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Speaker 1: Neither, and me neither. And I think that's why so

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Speaker 1: many women, and you see women in leadership in Congress,

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Speaker 1: in the Senate who aren't afraid. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: these men are running with their tails between their.

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Speaker 2: Legs, I know.

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Speaker 1: But what strikes me is, on the one hand, he

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Speaker 1: runs his company, his companies, his failing companies, his fraudulent companies,

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Speaker 1: like organized crime syndicates. He always has has always said

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Speaker 1: what do he means, said disgusting things about people, barred

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Speaker 1: black people from his buildings. He has always done these

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Speaker 1: things out in the open, by the way, you know,

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Speaker 1: been charged over and over again, had to pay settlements

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Speaker 1: over and over again. He's the most indicted I mean,

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Speaker 1: political leader I think ever. And on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: he's this gruff, not well spoken, sort of blubbering guy

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Speaker 1: from a reality show. And I think people think of

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Speaker 1: him like a cartoon villain more than they think of

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Speaker 1: him as a serious person. So everyone assumes, like, ah,

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Speaker 1: that guy's kind of joking. He talks a big talk,

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Speaker 1: but it makes me think of what President Obama said

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Speaker 1: years ago. The presidency does not make you the man

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Speaker 1: or person you are. It reveals what kind of person

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Speaker 1: you are.

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Speaker 2: And so we've.

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Speaker 1: Given someone with these mafioso tendencies keys.

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Speaker 2: To the castle.

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Speaker 1: And now we're watching him and his friend's pillage the

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Speaker 1: world and the economies and our resources and destroy the

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Speaker 1: rights of women because we stand up to him.

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Speaker 2: And it's tough. Yeah, I will say that I think

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Speaker 2: of me before the election, this past presidential election, and

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Speaker 2: me after I was like on late shows on the view,

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Speaker 2: I was going out everywhere. I think I was screaming,

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Speaker 2: actually warning people about this. I mean, I put myself

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Speaker 2: out there and felt as invalidated, I guess as anyone

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Speaker 2: else who who who you know does what we do

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Speaker 2: felt when he won the election. And but I also

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Speaker 2: I never didn't take him seriously. I knew what was coming.

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Speaker 2: And it is painful to be covering some of the

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Speaker 2: things that we are witnessing that is happening to our

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Speaker 2: fellow people. Uh, these ice raids and different ways that

741
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Speaker 2: people are being marginalized and hurt in these deportations, how

742
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Speaker 2: it's impacting the media, my former employer, CBS and other places.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is all incredibly painful to watch, and

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Speaker 2: I've been realizing that this is a whole new beginning.

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Speaker 2: I got a gird up, and there's no there's no

746
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Speaker 2: like pulling back and resting or going part time or

747
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Speaker 2: doing anything like that. At this point in my life.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I can do is go to work

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Speaker 2: and stay centered and stay focused and try not to

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Speaker 2: lose it, because that's losing. Not going to be afraid,

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Speaker 2: not going to be afraid to use my voice, not

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Speaker 2: going to be afraid to engage at the same time,

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Speaker 2: to learn as much as I can, and to try

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Speaker 2: and bring the best information I can to anyone who

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Speaker 2: wants to hear it in a very polarized media landscape.

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Speaker 2: It is a daily set of decisions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, in a daily practice, I imagine every day

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Speaker 1: is different.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But listening to you talk and.

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Speaker 1: Get impassioned, it's it's the same sort of passion I

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Speaker 1: heard in your voice talking about encouraging women to know

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Speaker 1: their worth, And in a way, it strikes me that

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is you know your worth and you

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Speaker 1: know the value of good, honest communication that speaks truth

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Speaker 1: to power in a moment like this. And I know

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Speaker 1: I speak for a lot of us when I say,

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Speaker 1: we're very, very grateful that we have you in the fight.

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Speaker 1: And you know that you that you don't succumb to

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Speaker 1: the pressure or the fear that they are trying to

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Speaker 1: instill in so many people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's hard. I'm not going to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's not. This is hard. This is hard, but it's

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Speaker 2: not impossible because this is the United States of America

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Speaker 2: that part.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting it that's not funny, but

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Speaker 1: it almost the passion for it charms me in a

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Speaker 1: way because you made me giggle. Recently. You were asked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the things you get to do as a

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Speaker 1: professional in your fifties, and you said, well, now I

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Speaker 1: get to save it. I couldn't say that before. And

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Speaker 1: do you feel a little bit of free energy right now?

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Speaker 1: Like I think you have to to stay in the fight, right.

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Speaker 2: I will say that that is the only way to go.

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Speaker 2: It's the only way to go. You absolutely. Let me

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Speaker 2: just say that. We talk a lot about the Republicans

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Speaker 2: who won't hold the line, and I feel like one

787
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Speaker 2: of the major lines where they could have held it

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Speaker 2: was January sixth, and they the bed because that was,

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Speaker 2: honestly the opportunity to draw the line. And everything else

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Speaker 2: that has happened since it is because they didn't on that.

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Speaker 2: That was simple, that was simple, and they failed us.

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Speaker 2: And for me, it's like now none of us have

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Speaker 2: a choice but to hold the line, to have the kids,

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Speaker 2: like you said, and to drive forward and to not

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Speaker 2: be afraid. Let me tell you, being afraid or what

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Speaker 2: these Republicans are doing, it will not serve them well,

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Speaker 2: it will. It will be horrible for them in history,

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Speaker 2: in the history books, but probably before. One thing we

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Speaker 2: know about Donald Trump is if if he senses that

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Speaker 2: you're afraid, you're done, You're done. So you have no

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Speaker 2: choice but to have that. And that's what I mean

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Speaker 2: by a sort of every day is different because you

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Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. It's very unpredictable, but

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Speaker 2: that we all knew was coming when he won. Anyone

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Speaker 2: who's surprised about what is going on now was not

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Speaker 2: listening during the election. During his first term, during his

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Speaker 2: he campaigned out in the open and everything that is happening,

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Speaker 2: he absolutely told us what was going to happen, So

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Speaker 2: don't I know, you're not going to see me being shocked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ever, how do you how do you think about

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Speaker 1: the midterms coming up this year? Are there stories you're

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Speaker 1: paying attention to? Are you watching what the posters are saying?

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Speaker 1: Or are you just head down doing the work, not

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Speaker 1: paying attention to any of the noise.

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Speaker 2: I'm very concerned about the midterms on a number of levels,

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Speaker 2: and I'm watching everything around election security, claims of fraud,

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Speaker 2: how potentially this could be dragged out. So there's you know,

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Speaker 2: uncertainty what different ways Republicans with nefarious intentions could take

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Speaker 2: advantage of our great country and our system of laws

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Speaker 2: and elections. And I'm hopeful, but I am eyes wide

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Speaker 2: open about how we move forward. And I urge everybody

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Speaker 2: to plan their vote and to think about their vote,

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Speaker 2: and to think about the midterms now, and don't forget

824
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Speaker 2: and spread the word and do what you think is

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Speaker 2: right for this country. If you don't like what you

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Speaker 2: see is happening, this is it is our last best

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Speaker 2: hope at expressing ourselves. And I hope that Americans are

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Speaker 2: inspired by their opportunity to cast their vote and say

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Speaker 2: how they feel me too, me too.

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Speaker 1: Well, I should say thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: such an amazing supporter. I am a voter all these years.

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Speaker 1: It means a lot to us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love I am a voter and I have

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Speaker 2: my I am a voter's suitcase, a voter boots. I

835
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Speaker 2: love you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know I agree with you. I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to remind people that that is a great way to mobilize.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I had it my way, we would

839
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Speaker 1: even know Kings March every Saturday until that man was

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Speaker 1: out of office. But I also know that a lot

841
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: of people don't have the time or resources to stop

842
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: their lives every week, but to plan the day, the

843
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: stoppage that you go and make your voice heard in

844
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Speaker 1: the in the booth is one of the most important

845
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Speaker 1: things a person can do.

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Speaker 2: And also a lot of people voted for him, And

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Speaker 2: don't close yourself off from connecting and don't judge. I

848
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 2: think that you know, the way we come together as

849
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Speaker 2: a country and as a people, and the way that

850
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Speaker 2: we perhaps spark positive change is you know, have an

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Speaker 2: open mind. A lot of people who voted for Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump had their reasons, and I think there's always the

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Speaker 2: danger in judging people. And I urge people to try

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Speaker 2: and understand each other, to really let and you don't

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Speaker 2: have to agree, just listen, hear each other out. That

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00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: will help. We don't have to fight, but we I

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Speaker 2: think not talking is just as bad as fighting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I understand that everyone has their

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Speaker 1: own experiences and their own thresholds, but I will say,

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Speaker 1: I've got an old friend. We don't see eye to eye.

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Speaker 1: We've taken breaks over some of the knockdown drag outs

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Speaker 1: we've had over where we don't see eye to eye.

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Speaker 1: And when a lot of people said like, let it go,

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Speaker 1: just let it go, I said, I don't if I

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Speaker 1: give up on someone I've known for twenty years, how

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Speaker 1: I'm ever going to get along with a stranger.

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Speaker 2: You know exactly? Yes, don't give up on each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I said it to her, and we've done

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Speaker 1: a lot of work and it's been really formative for

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Speaker 1: us both, and recently she has said some things that

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Speaker 1: have meant the world to me and really made me say, like,

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Speaker 1: this is why I didn't want to give up. And

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Speaker 1: I think, at your own pace, in your own time,

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Speaker 1: But the only way we're going to get through this

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Speaker 1: is if we start to remember that what goes on

876
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: in your house doesn't have to go on in your

877
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: neighbor's house, but your neighbors and you better start.

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Speaker 6: Acting like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm curious for you.

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00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's a big year, and I know it's

881
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: an enormous sort of world and timeline to look out

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00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: on for all of us, certainly, but especially for you

883
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: as a journalist. So it doesn't have to be professional.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about a lot of that, but

885
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Speaker 1: maybe it is. I just wonder, as you look to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, what for you, professional or personal, feels

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00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: like your work in progress.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that would hands down be the thirty fifty summit

889
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Speaker 2: in Abu Dhabi on International Women's Day. It's so it's

890
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: so cool. This summit is absolutely remarkable. On every year

891
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: it gets, it enriches and it becomes more multi dimensional,

892
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: and I am blown away by it. I literally just

893
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: find myself at a loss, gasping, at a loss of

894
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Speaker 2: words when it comes to the energy, the feedback and

895
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: the value that women from around the world are getting

896
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Speaker 2: out of this event. And this is the partnership I

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00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: have with Forbes and my platform Know Your Value. We

898
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: start in New York celebrating the fifty over fifty honorees

899
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: from the United States, but then the thirty fifty summit

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Speaker 2: in Abu Dhabi every International Women's Day. It's a three

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00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: day event, three and a half day event, and it's

902
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: in our fifth year. It is a cross cultural, multi

903
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Speaker 2: generational mentoring summit and we had women from forty nine

904
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Speaker 2: countries last year. Every year it grows. We have the

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Speaker 2: most incredible connections made, the most incredible messages and lessons

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Speaker 2: that we teach women in the region and women from

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Speaker 2: around the world, and we share ideas and experiences and

908
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: we invest in one another. And I have found that

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Speaker 2: every year there are several blow my mind stories of

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00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: what happens there. Whether it's it's Billy Jean King, Glorious

911
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: dynam Hillary Clinton, and Olenna Zelenska on stage together talking

912
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Speaker 2: about soft and hard power in women in the world,

913
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Speaker 2: or it's two women who I gave just by surprise

914
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Speaker 2: free tickets on the Kellig Larkson's show with certain eyeglass

915
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: company who started Vontel Eyewear, and they brought their selfie

916
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Speaker 2: sticks and were dancing on stage at the Louver in

917
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Speaker 2: Abu Dhabi, and they are telling me that they just

918
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Speaker 2: got a major investment because of who they met at

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Speaker 2: the summit at one of the networking sessions. And I'll

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Speaker 2: end by saying I knew I was onto something two

921
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Speaker 2: events ago where I was in the elevator and there

922
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Speaker 2: was like a twenty two year old young woman in

923
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Speaker 2: the elevator and she was like, this elevator has to

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Speaker 2: go faster. And I was like, are you okay. She's like,

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Speaker 2: I just I have to get to networking. I have

926
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Speaker 2: to get to the networking session. And I'm thinking, oh

927
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Speaker 2: my god, that's amazing, because networking is like a bad word,

928
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: like nobody wants to go to a networking thing. And

929
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Speaker 2: she was like, I have to be there. But the

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Speaker 2: networking is amazing and it's fun, and it's like very

931
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Speaker 2: the payoff is incredible. Everybody walks away, if not with

932
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: like an actual job or an investment, with like such

933
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: an incredible new lease on their life as to how

934
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Speaker 2: they're going to drive forward. So I'm always working toward that.

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Speaker 2: That is my sort of work in progress. Every year.

936
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Speaker 2: I want to build it, not necessarily bigger, but deeper

937
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Speaker 2: and more valuable and more special and add more value

938
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Speaker 2: for the region where we visit and bring together this

939
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Speaker 2: incredible collection of ideas, voices, shapes, sizes, ages.

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Speaker 1: I love that it's beautiful. That's what we need more

941
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Speaker 1: of in the world for sure. I just I'm ready

942
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: for the women to be in charge of everything. So

943
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Speaker 1: tell me where you tell me where and win to be.

944
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Speaker 2: I'm in You should come again. I want you there. Well.

945
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you for taking your time today.

946
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Speaker 1: I just adore you, and I really appreciate all of

947
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: your thoughts and insight and everything that you're doing for

948
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Speaker 1: us out there in the world.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, I really appreciate it.