1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up, everybody, 2 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday, February. The 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: month is just flying by, is it not. Uh got 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: some great reaction so far from hosting Undisputed this week. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for the kind words. Except for 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: seventy Sixers fans and Clippers fans who are just destroying 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: me in my mentions all week for stuff I've said 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: on the show. It's like, hey, guys, chill out, relax, 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: calm down. It's the middle of February. There's a long 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: season left to go. Um. Also, great reaction to the 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: Albert ber interview on yesterday's podcast. You guys really seem 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: to enjoy that. And I have to say, Rob G 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: and I like to dig through the numbers. We're looking 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: for anything we can find, any nuggets, kind of looking 15 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: for a needle in a haste. Dec Right, We're doing 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: five pods a week and for whatever reason, Um, the 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: numbers for the podcast we did earlier this week regarding 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: the Cam Newton video and Steph Curry being trolled all 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden, mushroomed. And it's one of our largest 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: audiences in the six months now we have been growing 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: as a podcast for sure. Actually it's been a little 22 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: longer than six months. We started in August. But for 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: whatever reason, that episode is flying around. I don't know 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: if it got caught up. It's some message boards or 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: on some Reddit um action or whatever, but thank you 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: guys for sharing it and obviously subscribing, rating and reviewing. UM. 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: We have a good episode today coming up. An interview 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: with a guy who just got hired to contribute to 29 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: ESPN's draft coverage, Matt Miller. UM, we disagree on some players. Uh, 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: he's got some interesting insight on some wide receivers. We 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: do agree the wide receivers are gonna be fall ling 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: in the draft. I will be gambling on the NFL Draft. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: We will be doing stuff for Fox Sports. UM, definitely 34 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: stick around for that. It's a good way to make money. Listen, 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: nothing to slam duncan gambling, but if you can read 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: between the lines on some stuff and UM having going 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: to the combine and talk to some people, I kind 38 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: of I've had a good couple of years UM betting 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: on the NFL Draft, So definitely, UH, stick around for that. 40 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Real quick before we get to the interview. Just a 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: couple of things. Um. First of all, I don't care 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: about Lakers Jazz in the middle of February and February 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it. Um, the Jazz are at home. 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: The Lakers are a wounded animal right now. UM, I 45 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: think the better story by a mile. Um, probably we'll 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: get you know, glossed over. But have you looked at 47 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: the second half schedule that came out for the Lakers? Um? 48 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: I said this on Undisputed. I don't think the other 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: guys knew what was coming. Um. I don't know if 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: anybody said really. I mean, I'm sure it's out there. 51 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: But according to Basketball Reference, the Lakers had the easiest 52 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: schedule in the NBA in the first half of the season. 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: Their second half schedule is absolutely brutal. They have eight 54 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: sets of back to back games and a seven game 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: road trip. Okay, Lakers fans, I don't want to say, 56 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: be very concerned, but this is the kind of schedule 57 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: where if Lebron really is chasing that m v P 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: and he's gonna play a bunch of back to backs, 59 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: is where you can start to get worried about the 60 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: potential for overuse and injury. And wearing down before the playoffs. Okay, 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: I can't say it enough. Lebron and the Lakers had 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: a seventy one day off season, shortest in the history 63 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: of sports NFL, MLB, rugby, soccer, whatever, seventy one days. Okay. 64 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: Lebron is thirty six years old. Under no circumstances should 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: he be playing all those back to backs. Joel and 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: b doesn't do it, Kawhi Leonard doesn't do it. These 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: guys are much younger than Lebron. Lebron, man, please be smart. Okay, 68 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: it ain't about the number one seed. There probably will 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: be some fans come to the playoffs, um, but Lebron's 70 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: want with two games sevens on the road. He won 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Game seven of the finals on the road. He won 72 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals. Uh in Boston. 73 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: Um Yeah, like, come on home in verse road. Not 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: the end of the world. Getting there matters, And these 75 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: eight sets of back to backs. I almost think Lebron's 76 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: being punished in a way, yes, punished because of his 77 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: take on the All Star Game and ripping it and 78 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: like saying this is dumb and we shouldn't do it. 79 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: And you know, they hand out the schedule, and they 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: want to break Lebron Like I mean, I know, the 81 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: NBA has to get in the games. They gotta pay 82 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the players, they gotta make their money. The billionaire owners 83 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: have to cash in. But the reality is, um, this 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: is potentially bad news for a lot of the marquee players. 85 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: You just cannot wear them down and have them getting injuries. 86 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: There is an avalanche of evidence supporting how bad back 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: to backs are uh for these players, especially with the travel. 88 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Now I know they've they've dialed back some of the 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: travel on the back to backs, so it makes it 90 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: a little advantageous to the body. But I'm telling you, 91 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: guys like Anthony Davis coming back, I don't want to 92 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: see him doing back to backs, and I did. I 93 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: will say this, I like the idea of Frank Vogel realizing, 94 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: hey man, you know what I'm gonna tinker. I'm gonna 95 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: throw in Jared Dudley for seven minutes in the first 96 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: half of a game. Jared Dudley, coming into the Jazz 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: game last night, had played I believe a total of 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: thirteen minutes this calendar year, and Vogel tinker with the 99 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: starting lineup. He got Horton Tucker out there, he got 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: Morris out there. Um he threw Dudley into the fire 101 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: in the second quarter like he is just messing around, 102 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: and uh, I kind of did that. They're gonna make 103 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: a move here, folks. The waving of Quinn Cook is 104 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: a sign. But we've now gone too far on Lebron. 105 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: Let's get to our our interview with Matt Miller, who 106 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: uh covers the NFL draft for the draft scout dot 107 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: com and is now a contributor to ESPN. Jason likes 108 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: to think he knows everything when it comes to sports. 109 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: I know what sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't. 110 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 111 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. 112 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome into the podcast. You know I 113 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: love the draft. I do stuff for Fox Sports, a 114 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: mock draft. We had Albert Breer yesterday, we had Daniel 115 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Jarred Maya recently, and now we're hitting it hard. Matt Miller, 116 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: founder of the draft scout dot com. He just was 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: named an ESPN contributor. Matt, how are you man? I'm 118 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: doing well, Jason Man. I've been following your York forever. 119 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: So it's good to finally get a chance to catch 120 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: up and talk. I appreciate it. Yeah that may not 121 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: be a good thing. Uh, you know what, you're around 122 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: for a while and you know this, Uh, somebody's always 123 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: remembered something dumb you said, and you know, we say 124 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. It comes with the territory, right, 125 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: But you know, this is a strange draft to say 126 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: the least. Now, the cool thing is, you know, sometimes 127 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: I'll know the guests and will bat around topics. You 128 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: don't know any of the players. I'm gonna ask about. 129 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: This is what you know because it gets a little 130 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: bit fun because listen, I'm not gonna bore you with um. 131 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Hey man, I need I need you to break down 132 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: trade lance for me. I think what the audience really 133 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: likes is a question like this. And I'll start you 134 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: with a quarterback um situation. So Mac Jones, the kid 135 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: out of Alabama, is you know, allegedly rising on draft 136 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: boards because hey man, there's a you know, there's a 137 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: need for quarterbacks in the league, and I don't I 138 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: can't tell if it's being forced or not. He had 139 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: one good season. You know, people are skeptical about that. 140 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Going back to the Bill Parcels strategy. Where are you 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: on Mac Jones? Do you think he belongs in the 142 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: first round? You know I'm with you because I've heard 143 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: it all week two of like, oh Mac Jones is 144 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: rising up boards. Oh my gosh, look at mac Jones. 145 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't see it. I think in a normal year 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: he would be a second round pick. In a year 147 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: where we don't have eleven team is that need a 148 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round. I think he's the second 149 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: round pick. And so I understand. You know, people who 150 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: look at him and say he's a winner, he's accurate. 151 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: You look at the numbers. My job, I feel like 152 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: it's to try to get to the bottom of all 153 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: that and see did those numbers come Because he was 154 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: throwing to four first round wide receivers over the last 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: season and a half, being protected by first rounders on 156 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: the offensive line, handing off to a first round running back, 157 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: and you have Steve star Kijan calling your place right, 158 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: So like the bed was made perfectly for this player. 159 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: That's not to say that Mac Jones isn't good. It's 160 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: just how can you watch that and know that he's 161 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: the guy. How can you watch that and be like, 162 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: you know what if we draft him to the New 163 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: England Patriots who have no wide receivers, the offensive lines 164 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: and mess how can you feel good that he's going 165 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: to elevate the team around you because you've never seen 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: him do it. You mentioned Trey Lance, dudes throwing to 167 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: North Dakota statewide receivers and they've got some good players 168 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: and Fargo. None of the receivers is gonna be drafted 169 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: this year. You know, even even guys like Trevor Lawrence, 170 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: Mary Rogers is gonna be a third or fourth round pick. 171 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: They don't. They don't have a number one wide dress 172 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: either this year. And Chris Olavia and Garrett Wilson are 173 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: really good at Ohio State. They're both young, they were 174 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: going back to school. And so I think when mac Jones, 175 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: it is the hard thing of what's different about him 176 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: than these guys? Like what what would make him rise 177 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: above the more athletic players. The four quarterbacks ranked ahead 178 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: of him, you know, Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, 179 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: Justic Fields, whatever order you want to put them in. 180 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: The four quarterbacks Trank ahead of him, all of a 181 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: stronger arm. They're all more athletic, and they all did 182 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: more with less, and so you know, we could be 183 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: sitting here in two years, Jason, and it's like, you 184 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: know what, Mac Jones the next Kirk Cousins. He's a 185 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: good quarterback, He's a starter. Whomever drafts him was right. 186 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: I was wrong. I just don't. I don't see anything 187 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: that he's done that makes me think, oh my god. 188 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a Niners fan. If they draft Mac 189 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Jones a twelve, I'm gonna cry myself to sleep that night. 190 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: Has right, I hope twelve. Um, Well, you mentioned you 191 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: think he's a second round quarterback, and this is a 192 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: weird trend. You know, it's a small sample size, but 193 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: it almost just like quarterbacks now are either we really 194 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: really like them first round guys or will take him 195 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: later in the draft. If you look at like the 196 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: last I wrote down the last seven quarterbacks taken in 197 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: the second round, only one of them is hit Derek Carr. 198 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I liked Hackenburn coming out of Penn State, 199 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: total bust. Gino Smith has done nothing. Ausweiler, I liked him. 200 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: You like as well? Yeah, listen, some people like Kaiser, 201 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: the kid out of Notre Dame. I liked him. Um 202 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Drew lock will see what Jalen hurts. But you know, 203 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: if you're if you're tagged as a second round quarterback, 204 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: does that mean basically you're a developmental guy. Good luck sticking, 205 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: because that's where I'm hearing about Kyle Trask maybe as 206 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: a second round big Yeah. I think you know that's 207 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: probably how you know when you talk about for all 208 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: thirty two teams, if you're drafted between thirty three and 209 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: sixty four, it's like you're a developmental guy. They're like 210 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: the Jalen hurts. But I also think it can mean 211 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: that there's a hole to your game. It used to 212 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: be that they were like fifteen to eight teen players 213 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: in every class. You'd say that guy is the first rounder. 214 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: I will put my name on it. I would draft 215 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: him in the first round. Now it's like we try 216 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: to find forty of these players instead of being critical, 217 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: especially about quarterbacks. And I think one problem that's happening 218 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: is supplied demand. You know, I mentioned it. Let's eleven 219 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: teams that need a quarterback. Still there aren't that many 220 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: out there, even when you add in free agency and 221 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: some trades that we think will happen. There's aren't that 222 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: many quarterbacks available, So I think what happens is a 223 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: guy like Mac Jones who's a good player, a really 224 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: good player in college. I think teams almost look for 225 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: like confirmation bias. Yeah, have you ever? I'm a big 226 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: true crime guy, and a lot of times in true 227 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: crime you hear about these detectives who will they'll have 228 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: a suspect, and instead of looking for evidence to prove 229 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: someone else's the suspect, they look for evidence that proves 230 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: that person is guilty. And I think when Mac Jones 231 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: right now, people are looking for evidence that he's the 232 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: guy instead of looking at the whole picture and being like, 233 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: you know what, the arm strength isn't there? He's not 234 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: a good athlete, Like, how is he different than your 235 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: players who we would normally say that's the second or 236 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: third round player. Is because he went to Alabama? Is 237 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: because his numbers are really good? Um, and I at 238 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: risk of going all quarterback here final one. Um. You know, listen, 239 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: everybody puts out a mail bag and updated they're hearing 240 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a lot of chatter because you know, 241 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: without an actual combine, I think filling the void is 242 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: just gonna be you know, a lot of bluster if 243 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: you will. But you hear some stuff, you read some 244 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: stuff Justin Field suddenly tumbling down draft boards, you know. 245 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: I mean if you just isolate, you know, his incredible 246 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: game against Clemson, I mean, that's a top five guy. 247 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: But then you look at the body of work and 248 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: you're like, I mean, how how far do you think 249 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Justin Fields could fall? Or we you know, do people 250 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: really like him as a top ten, top fifteen? Can 251 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: we stretch it to twenty? Does he maybe get to 252 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: the Patriots? You know, I don't think so, Jason. I 253 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: think right now like people are bored. I can't imagine 254 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: a scenario where he gets past number eight. Overall, it's 255 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: like people can sit here. When you don't need a quarterback, 256 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: just like when Mac jonesman, you don't need a quarterback's 257 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: easy to pick this guy apart, but when you need one, 258 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: it's very easy to fall in love with the traits. 259 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: And I've said before Justin Fields is my number two 260 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: quarterback in this class. Because if you're gonna ask me 261 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: to bet on traits, which is what you're saying, was 262 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson of b y U and Trade Lands and 263 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: North Kota State. You're telling me, hey, here the traits. 264 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: I gotta sell you on this dude's upside. So if 265 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: we're selling upside, Justin Fields is bigger, has a stronger arm, 266 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: he's more athletic, he's played more big games. It's like, 267 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: why would we not take that guy? The guy? It's 268 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: two seasons in the Big ten as opposed to seventeen 269 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: games at North Dakota State, and I like Trade Lands, 270 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: by the way, or two very average, below average seasons 271 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: in the Mountain West. One great year was Zack Wilson, 272 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: who's gonna be six one, two oh five. I would 273 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: rather have Justin Fields. I've seen it for two years 274 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: in the Big Tent. I've seen it in the college 275 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: ball playoffs. I saw it even at Georgia when they 276 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: put him in those stupid packages where they just made 277 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: him run the ball all the time. And he has 278 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: all the tools, he has all the traits. So if 279 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna I understand, Trevor Lawrence is the dude. He's 280 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: a god, right, He's the number one prospect. When you 281 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: try to poke holes in his game, people just get 282 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: mad at you. And so I understand that but of 283 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: of the other quarterbacks they get first round mentioned, like 284 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: we got to talk about, Justin Fields is having the 285 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: best potential of any of those guys. So if you 286 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: sell me potential, if you sell me hopes and dreams, 287 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to take bigger, stronger, faster, and more tested. 288 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: And that's Justin Fields. When you think about the idea 289 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: of production versus you know, disruption. A guy that jumps 290 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: out is Jason O Way at Penn State, UM ed rusher, 291 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: who is a freak. And I will say, you know, 292 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: I know Lavari Errington well um and he's training a 293 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: way out here in California and he's hyping him and 294 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: everything I've heard from him and other guys working with 295 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: him as man, this guy's a freak. But he had 296 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: zero sacks, right, you know, I mean, Matt, I'm assuming 297 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: you know you get the sp They gotta have you 298 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: watching tape of all these guys for hours on end. 299 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: What do you see from Jason Oway and is he 300 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: a first round guy? Yeah, I'd sell. That was what 301 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: I was doing leading up to ESPN my time between 302 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: Leacher reporting ESPN, I had a couple of months where 303 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't work. I couldn't work anywhere, you know, I say, 304 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: you're waiting to your contract run out. So I was 305 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: just watching table on these guys all day. I think 306 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: the thing with Jason Oway is like you said, no 307 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: sacks this year, but he have five last year, and 308 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: so there was production. I think this year a shortened season, 309 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: late starts of the season. Things were just weird. I 310 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: think you said it perfectly though, disruptive, not productive this year. 311 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is, I think Jason is still 312 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: the best. That ball is ahead of him. I pulled 313 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: up my notes while you were talking about him, and 314 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: here's what I had. One coach from Pinnce Date told 315 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: me they hit time. Can him at four three three 316 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: in the forty r dash at six four and three 317 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: quarters and two hundred and fifty three pounds. That's stupid 318 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: like that. You can't coach, right, can you teach? You 319 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: got to dip his shoulder and like slap some hands 320 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: away of a tackle. Of course you can all day. 321 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: You cannot teach four three speed at four pounds. And 322 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: so when I look at a normally we would call 323 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: it guy like this a workout warrior, you know, or 324 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: a combine rice. Somebody you get to Indian. It's to 325 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: be like he's gonna blow the doors off Lucas Soil. 326 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about it. I think that hyper 327 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: starting early because people know what his pro day is 328 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: gonna look like, because LaVar Rington's telling everybody, because his 329 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: agents telling everybody, right, they know it's a special athlete, 330 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: and so I think, oh, it's just gonna be that 331 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: the risk verse reward. You gotta the dice on guy 332 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: who didn't have any sacks last year. I think he 333 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: had six tackles for a loss, a lot of hurries, 334 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: but he didn't he didn't get any sacks. You gotta 335 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: roll the dice on that of here's the elite athlete 336 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: who maybe doesn't have the production. And I believe the 337 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: year prior when he had the five sacks, wasn't he 338 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: opposite Grossmatos or was that was either two years ago 339 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: he was, Yeah, so he was obviously Gross Mottoes. This 340 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: year he was obviously Shaka Tony. He was a decent 341 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: player as well. But so um, yeah, so couldn't you say, well, oh, yeah, 342 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: he produced when he was opposite a you know, early 343 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: round NFL player and then look, he's not opposite anybody 344 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: and he can't get to the quarterback like that's the 345 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: tough part of the evaluation. How so would you do 346 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: you think somebody takes a flyer on him in the 347 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: first round or no, Yeah, I think I could see 348 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: late first round, depending on where the run on edge 349 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: rushers happens. Because Miami's got two guys, Gregor Russo Jayalen Phillips, 350 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: They're both going to go in the twenties. Probably could 351 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: he pay from Michigan, probably gonna go in the twenties, 352 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: Aziza del Aureate or at George excuse me. Probably on 353 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the other top twenty five twenty six. So I look 354 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: at teams, you know, like the York Jets with their 355 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: second pick, where the twenty three overall, I believe they 356 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: need an edge rusher. The Pittsburgh Steelers Bud Duprez are 357 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: free agent at twenty four. They could use an edge rusher. 358 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: Or we can see teams trade back in you know, Baltimore, 359 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: Yanniking Gockway and Matt Judon are free agents. They can 360 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: select him at seven. So I do think there's a 361 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: good chance that that he is at least a top 362 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: thirty five or thirty six pick. Just because of that athleticism. 363 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: So okay, that's you know, he's just a it's a 364 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: good edge class. But as we're saying with Justin Fields, 365 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: he's he's just the most athletic overall. It definitely has 366 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: the best burst of anyone in this in this group. 367 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: So you say it's a good edge class, but Matt, like, 368 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: you're not talking about an even going in the top 369 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: ten and right where Shack Barrett dominated and uh Jason 370 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: Pierre Paul had a good game. They rode those guys 371 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: to the postseason. I mean, if you're breaking down the 372 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: most important positions after quarterback, what do you think in 373 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: left tackle, ed rusher and quarterback? Pretty much? Right? Yeah, definitely. 374 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: Do you think somebody read she is early for an 375 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: edge rusher in the top ten? Quitty? Um, Yeah, it 376 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me, Jason. But I think the bigger thing 377 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: is what happens with these quarterbacks, because if four we're 378 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: going the top eight, then you know, does Denver take 379 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: a pass rusher? I know von Miller like there's some 380 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: smoke or and some stuff there. Maybe Dallas maybe, but 381 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: I think more likely, like the Giants at eleven is 382 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: probably where you would start looking at an addresser coming 383 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: off the board. If you know the corners are gone, 384 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: if the wide receivers are gone, then maybe maybe the 385 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: Giants start that conversation the Niners at twelve, you know, 386 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: Salomon Thomas didn't work out. They could be looking for 387 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: someone opposite Nick Bosa, Chargers Melvin Ingram's a free agent. 388 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: The Vikings try to get Yannick and Goquay. That didn't work. 389 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: They shoot him to Baltimore. So I think eleven to 390 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: fifteen with the Patriots there's a sweet spot for pass rushers. 391 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: And then again in the twenties there's another group just 392 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: to almost every team in the twenties needs one. So 393 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like some position group is going to be falling. 394 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: And a yeah, it's February. There's a lot to happen, 395 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: but Matt I can't get over For some reason, I 396 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: have a feeling that wide receivers are going to be 397 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: the one that falls. Like, uh, the numbers are out 398 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: there right, The smallesh smurphy receivers who go early usually 399 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: don't produce. Now, it could be that they're going to 400 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: crap teams, battle organizations, shuttling through the coaches, But yeah, 401 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: I mean do you think Waddle and Smith are locks 402 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: to go in the top ten. No? Absolutely not all 403 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: right now. And you know last year, if you and 404 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: I had sat down in late February last year, it 405 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: had been like Judy Rugs and Lamb or locks to 406 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: go in the top fift team one of them went 407 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: in the top fifty Rugs at twelve, right, And so 408 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: I do think to your point, teams are also looking 409 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: at second round wide receivers there what does your return 410 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: on investment a first round wide receiver. Most of the 411 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: best receivers in the NFL were not drafted in the 412 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: first round. DeAndre Hopkins an exception as a late first 413 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: round pick, but he wasn't the first receiver drafted year 414 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: he came out of Clemson. So I think we're seeing 415 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: teams like, okay, let's wait. You know, if you're a 416 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: team in the twenties, you're playoff team, you need to 417 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: receive got it? But I feel like we're starting to 418 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: see a trend that unless you look like Julio Jones 419 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: Alevin Johnson, you're not gonna be a top by pick. 420 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: And so the question this year will be Jamaar Chase, 421 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: who isn't as big you know, a six foot about 422 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: to ten. Will he be a top eye pick based 423 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: on play? He probably should be, but he kind of 424 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: falls in the middle of that trend, right. And then 425 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: with you mentioned Jayalen Waddle Davante Smith, I can see 426 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: a scenario where they're coming off the board in the 427 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: early teens. Just because you mentioned those positions in the 428 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: top ten. Quarterback, pass rusher, left tackle, corner. Those are 429 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: the four most important positions in football and wide receiver. 430 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: Depending on your scheme, it falls in there somewhere. But 431 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you're the Dolphins, you have three and eighteen. 432 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: At three, you should be looking for a blue chip 433 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: difference maker, someone who at number three over all you 434 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: should be an all Pro. And does Jamaar Chase look 435 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: like an All Pro? Or does he look like a 436 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: pretty good receiver. That's what they have to try to 437 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: figure out. Yeah, and that's why you know, like, okay, 438 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: let's let's go through it. Obviously, quarterback one, assuming the 439 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: Jets don't get Watson. Quarterback to assuming Miami doesn't get Watson, 440 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: it gets interesting. I would assume they go with the 441 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, one of the tackles, right slater or or 442 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah S from Oregon and Rashon Slider from Northwestern. 443 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: You would think so, but I think they're a trade 444 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: out scenario. Only get too deep for that, but something 445 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: trade team to get a quarterback, to get a quarterback, right, 446 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: you want to get ahead of Atlanta. Just in case 447 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: you want ahead of Let's talk about Atlanta for a sex. 448 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: They're they're one of the toughest teams. I've mocked them 449 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: quitty just because of something I heard from somebody who 450 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: I respect and I got I got text messages like 451 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: Jay there's no way he's going for I'm like, all right, 452 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: well that's Atlanta for me. Is the toughest to figure 453 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: out right that they're not going to need a receiver. 454 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't see them moving on. Arthur Smith gets the 455 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: job and then kicks Matt Ryan to the curb and 456 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: gets the court makes it doesn't make sense. So where 457 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: do where do you see that? And they got five 458 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: first round picks. Now they haven't all played like them 459 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: on the pensive line. Is it too rich for a cornerback? 460 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: Where are you on four men? I think it's too 461 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: rich for a corner I look at someone like Kyle 462 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: Pits from Florida, who is he a tight end? Is 463 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: he a wide receiver? You call him whatever you want. 464 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: He's just a playmaker. He's just a difference maker. So 465 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: you have Julio, you got Calvin Ridley, Hayden Hurston played 466 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: terribly for them last year after they got in from Baltimore. 467 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: But you're gonna roll with Matt Ryan for at least 468 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: another year, maybe two. Right, he's only thirty five. You 469 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: plan a dome, so you're okay, it's not he's out 470 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: in Chicago throwing you know, missiles against you know, the 471 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: frigid air in the Windy City. So I think you 472 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: running back from Matt Ryan and you try to put 473 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: something around him. You mentioned it. I mean they've spent 474 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot on the offensive line. You know, three players 475 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: that they've drafted themselves, two more that they brought in, 476 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: and so there's not a defender that you look at 477 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: there that's a huge difference maker. So I think it 478 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: has to be has to be someone on offense or 479 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, or Terry Fotno says, we're not gonna be 480 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: picking this high very often. Let's get our quarterback in 481 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: the future while we can. Yeah, when you're analyzing, you know, 482 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: my drafts. And I know a lot of the people say, hey, 483 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I'd rather just do a top fifty list, you know, 484 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: wait till the later for the MOX. But how much 485 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: do you take into account new GM, familiarity with the GM, 486 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: what they've done in the past, things like that. Oh, 487 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: it's everything, it really is. I try to I try 488 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: to put myself in the seat of that front office 489 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: with that pick. So when I do mock drafts, it's 490 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: like a It's a long, exhaustive thing for me. I 491 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: don't just sit down and write down thirty two names. 492 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: It's okay. If I'm Atlanta and I make this decision, 493 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: how do you know what do I do in the 494 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: second round? What is that? What am I looking at? 495 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: In terms of future contracts? And so I try to 496 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: stay really organized with Google spreadsheets to basically say, here's 497 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: your teammates for this year, here's your teammates for next year, 498 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: here's your cap situation, here's the scheme that we run 499 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: on offense and defense, and so trying to be as 500 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, organized as possible to make that right pick. 501 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: I know fans don't always like it, because fans don't 502 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: like anything, but you know, you you really do try 503 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: to be to make the best educated guests in the 504 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: absence of intel. As you get closer to the draft, 505 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: just start to hear things of Atlanta's kind of go 506 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: in this direction or that direction, and you can usually 507 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: get the position right, if not the player. But you know, 508 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: mock drafts are a thankless process, that's for sure. That's 509 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, So let me ask you about Arthur Smith. 510 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: So in Tennessee, you know, was it his idea to 511 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: use Derrick Henry as a battering ram three and seventy 512 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: times or whatever last season or was that Vrabel saying 513 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: this is what we're doing, because you know, you look 514 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: at that offense and you're like, they don't need a 515 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: tight end. But I agree, Pitts is a phenomenal player 516 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: and he he might help that offense go to the 517 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: next level. But they have no running back to do 518 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: what Smith was doing in uh Tennessee, right, And I 519 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: think that's something we're in around two round three. They 520 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: have to look because you would assume that Arthur Smith 521 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, go with what worked for the 522 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: last two years. They're just pounding Derrick Henry into the 523 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: line take some of the pressure up the quarterback. But 524 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: as you said, you have Matt Ryan, you have Julio Jones, 525 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: you have Calvin Ridley. You're not gonna completely go with 526 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: from your identity, so you don't you don't necessarily need 527 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: a pound running back carrying the ball five times a game. 528 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: You might keep some power run elements in your system, 529 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: but you don't completely you know, go to that and 530 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: go to that only. So I think you can look 531 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: at someone like Javonte Williams in North Carolina who's two 532 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: hundred twenty pounds as a second round back. If you 533 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: get into round three and you like the medicals on 534 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: trade sermon from Ohio State, that would be an option 535 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: a day three. Some of like Ram Stevenson from Oklahoma 536 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: who kind of did a little bit of everything for 537 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: them before late in the year where he just took 538 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: over those tailback duties. He dropped a little weight is 539 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: down to I think are at So there are options 540 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: where you don't have to you know, it's not you 541 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: don't draft Nagi Harris at four overall because you're coming 542 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: from Tennessee where you had Derrick Henry, right, So there's 543 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: a lot of other options there. Sean Wade, Ohio State 544 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: just a perplexing player. I mean last year, well sorry, 545 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: two seasons ago with a Kuda. I mean, he looked amazing. 546 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: You know, Sean Wave was a great and then they, 547 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: I guess had to kick him outside this past year, 548 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: um and anything, it wasn't good. Um. Now, do you 549 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: think they try to whoever takes him, do you think 550 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: they try to move him either to the slot, to 551 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: a safety position. What's your best guest on Sean Weed? Yeah, 552 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: I think to the slot, Like you said in twenty nineteen, 553 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: he was he was really good there, you know, because 554 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: he was protected by Damon Arnett and jeff A. Cood 555 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: on the outside, two first round picks, and so he 556 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: was able to hold his own. And we saw, you 557 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: we saw in the National Championship game against DeVante Smith, 558 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: like he could not keep up with DeVante Smith. And 559 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: and DeVante is a great college receiver. He looks like 560 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: a really good prospect. But I mean it was just 561 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: it was sad, it was pitiful. So I do think 562 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: that we'll see him getting moved inside. You know, the 563 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: way teams value different scheme fits is always unique. It's 564 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: always interesting. But I have him at like one hundred 565 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: overall on my big board, and it's just I do 566 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: think someone coming in coming into the season, he was 567 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: projected probably top twenty, right, right, he absolutely was some 568 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: of the you know yeah right the season before and reputation. 569 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: I always like, I try to be careful with those 570 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: because you know there will be things like, oh, if 571 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: Cardell Jones would come out after those three games, first 572 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: round pick, and it's like, would you like they would 573 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: have poked holes in him? The interview process might have 574 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: got him lack of experience, like cooler heads would have prevailed. 575 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: You know, in January after watching him throw, you might 576 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: have been like that, dude's first rounder. You have four 577 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: months where or you can calm down a little bit. Yeah, 578 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: that's interesting. On Wade one hundred, So didn't he opt 579 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: out and then up back in I don't remember if 580 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: he was one of those guys I think so oh 581 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: had quite a few of those. They did like they 582 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: were going to play. It's like, hey, we're it seems 583 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: like the guy probably cost himself a lot of money. 584 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: But again, if he could play, it doesn't matter. He's 585 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: gonna get that second deal anyway. All right, Another one 586 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: more guy, Dylan Moses the Alabama linebacker. Obviously, medicals are 587 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: going to be a huge issue um for him and 588 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: a lot of other players. But just speak to a 589 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: little bit the narrative about Alabama players being ground into 590 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: dust by Nick Saban and his staff, Well, it goes 591 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: both because they're ground into dust, right, they're just road 592 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: hard and and then sometimes you look at it, it's 593 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: like they're pro ready. You know, it's like you've been 594 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: coached so well at Alabama. You might be coached better 595 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: at Alabama than you will be in the NFL. Your strength, 596 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: conditioning is gonna be top notch. You know how to 597 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: be a professional. I think Nick Saban heard that about 598 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: himself and has changed it to some degree of you know, 599 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: we know that we're a little hard on our players 600 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: that maybe they come into the NFL they're they're injured. 601 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: That was the thing like four years ago. It was 602 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: like Alabama prospect, you want your own doctor to check 603 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: them because there's probably some stuff that they needed done 604 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: that didn't get done. That perception has definitely changed to 605 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: where they've become more player friendly. They've i think they've 606 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: innovated a little bit, but that is definitely, you know, 607 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: something that used to be out there. I think with 608 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Dylan Moses. You know, Dylan didn't help himself last year 609 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: with the I'm gonna declare and then his dad is like, 610 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: he can't declare without the approval of like the kingdom 611 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: or the tribe or whatever, and he's like, so I'm 612 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: not declaring and going back and then you know, he 613 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: was coming off an injury. He didn't even play last year. 614 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,479 Speaker 1: So he comes back this year and he's rusty, he's stiff. 615 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: I thought by the end of the year he looked 616 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: pretty good, Like we started to see shades of the 617 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: dude that we saw it two years ago. But you know, 618 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: it's just that seems like a messy situation where you know, 619 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: it's like nobody wants the NFL version of the ball brothers. 620 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: Like you don't want to deal with the parents on 621 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: top of the pot right when you have, you know, 622 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that you hear a 623 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: lot about it, like these quarterback dads or like football parents, 624 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: where you just you don't want to deal with that. 625 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: You wanna you wanna, like your professional coach, your professional 626 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning guy. You want to to help these 627 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: players achieve their results and achieve their best potential and 628 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: sometimes that's hard to do, so Dylan is definitely interesting 629 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: case though. All right, so uh, last one purely speculative. 630 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: Speculative sorry, um, most likely team to trade down in 631 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: the top ten, to trade out of the top ten 632 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: out or down? Yeah, out either one. I think Miami 633 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: is that the team most likely to get out at 634 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: number three, just because you know, as we were saying before, 635 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: unless you love Jamaar Chase like love, love love, you 636 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: could maybe even still slide down and still get him, 637 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: right because like, the Falcons aren't taking a receiver, the 638 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: Bengals are gonna go tackle at six, the Eagles. I mean, 639 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: the Eagles could be the team that would take a 640 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver there, but they might have to go tackle. 641 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm seeing Andre Dillard. Yeah. So it's like I think 642 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: the Dolphins they don't need to write. They have plenty 643 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: of picks, They've got a lot of capital, but it 644 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: just feels like the value at that spot is not 645 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: great for what they actually need. Yeah, I think I 646 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: would agree with that. Alright. Matt Miller, congrats on being 647 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: uh named a contributor to ESPN. I'm sure we'll see 648 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: you all over for the next few months and UH 649 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: continued success. Man, thank you, Man, I appreciate you so much. Dude,