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Speaker 1: And then and Tie, welcome back to these sali verbal

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Speaker 1: that fine gentleman over there, back where it all started

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Speaker 2: but I can't complain, Tie, I had a temperature flip

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Speaker 1: So that's a pretty good swing. That's a decent trade.

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Speaker 1: You will make that trip. Welcome back, one and all.

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Speaker 1: we've got Caitlin de Borr hired by Bama. We contemplated

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Jetfish then, shall we? Shall we talk?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I want you.

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Speaker 1: It was total word solid, It was total word slid.

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Speaker 1: wasn't a full Brian Kelly where he made the team

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Speaker 1: come in at seven am for it. So I guess

430
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Speaker 1: that's good. But you know, like it's so easy to

431
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: be cynical about this sport in this day and age.

432
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: We tend to handwave stuff like this all the time

433
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: because it's business. Blah blah blah. It's business, business, business.

434
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Speaker 1: I refuse to let myself get so cynical that I

435
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: just gloss over these sorts of things. I have no

436
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Speaker 1: problem again with anyone taking an opportunity that they feels

437
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: better for them personally, for them professionally. But after building

438
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Speaker 1: a relationship with these players, leading a historic rebuild over

439
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: the last three seasons to a lot one minute per season,

440
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: that's a freaking cop out. Man. That leaves a bad

441
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: taste in my At least act like it means something,

442
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, like give these guys a little bit more

443
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: of your time than just three minutes. Either it's a

444
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: cop out or it's somebody who's way too good at

445
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: leaving and Jedfish has been at eleven teams between the

446
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Speaker 1: NFL and college football.

447
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a ten eleven is like ten and

448
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: sixteen years or something.

449
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so look again, you do you Maybe he doesn't

450
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: care about legacy either. He doesn't care what people think.

451
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't know Jeedfish. Everybody who knows him says he's

452
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Speaker 1: got a great vibe. He's a likable guy. I hope so,

453
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Speaker 1: I hope so. But my number one concerned me because

454
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Speaker 1: I know we're going to get there with this hire

455
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Speaker 1: for Washington. I think Jedfish is a good coach. I

456
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: also think if Florida opens up next year, he's gone again.

457
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: He's going to Florida. He went to Florida as an

458
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Speaker 1: undergrad just so that he could maybe work his way

459
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Speaker 1: up and work under Steve Spurrier. He was that big

460
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Speaker 1: of a fan. If that job's open next year, if

461
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Speaker 1: they decide they're cutting bait with Billy Napier, he's gone again.

462
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: That's my problem with Jedfish.

463
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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the other part of it. In addition, yes,

464
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: and part of it for a lot of these guys, right, Okay,

465
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: So for Kaylen de Bor, the ad that hired him

466
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: left for usc Fair. So the guy he said, I

467
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: want to work at this school for this person in

468
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: gen Cohen left for USC and I Washington hired the

469
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Speaker 2: Tulane guy in the middle of the year, I believe

470
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Speaker 2: this past season. And so there are things behind the scenes.

471
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Speaker 2: I don't know what percent of the public knows, or

472
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Speaker 2: the attentive public knows. My guess is like sixteen percent,

473
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Speaker 2: right that, Like, you don't know about somebody's interpersonal relationships

474
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Speaker 2: at a place. You don't know how somebody's family geographically

475
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Speaker 2: likes that place. You don't know a lot of sort

476
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Speaker 2: of of the extraneous or of like the very important

477
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: things that are just behind closed doors for these places

478
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: that like maybe it was just Seattle was not the

479
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: place for Kailen de Boor and his family to live.

480
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: I'm guessing I have no idea. I've been a Seattle.

481
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Speaker 2: I really like Seattle. And the same could be true

482
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Speaker 2: of Jedfish in Arizona. The fact that he seems to

483
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Speaker 2: be constantly climbing, and I know he was an interim

484
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: coach at UCLA so he had to leave after I

485
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: think it was Jim Mora.

486
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Speaker 1: Was let go.

487
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Speaker 2: So he's UCLA, he's Michigan, he's Miami, he is both

488
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: with the Rams Ravens like he's all over the place.

489
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Speaker 1: I've got it right here, I've got it right here. Texans, Broncos, Seahawks, Jaguars, Rams,

490
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: and Patriots in the NFL. And then on the college side,

491
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Speaker 1: Florida is a GA where he started under spur Y Minnesota,

492
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Speaker 1: Miami UCLA and then was hired, most recently as the

493
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Speaker 1: head coach for Arizona.

494
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then I know he interviews for a time. Remember

495
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: I think Mario Christa Waller interviewed him for an Oregon

496
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator job that I went to Joe moorehead. It's

497
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: hard to ignore. It's hard to ignore with Jetfish, and

498
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: I've heard similarly positive good things about Jedfish as a person,

499
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: like two things I suppose can be true. For once,

500
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: he's a good hang, but also he's looking for the

501
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: next thing a lot. And so the interesting thing will

502
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Speaker 2: be what what do his now former players at Arizona

503
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Speaker 2: think of him leaving? How many will follow him? I

504
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: think I saw what Jonah Coleman, running back, entered the

505
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: portal today as we record this, and all eyes are

506
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: going to be on t Mac at receiver and Noah Fafida,

507
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback who emerged this year, Jaden DeLaura, I think

508
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: is already transferred out, and so like, how many guys

509
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: follow him to Washington or what are they able to do? Quickly?

510
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: In the portal, I saw what's his name, Rogers already

511
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: transferred out, the Rogers Will Rogers, And so what does

512
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: the roster construction look like? And how easy is it

513
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: now Washington new big ten school or to be a

514
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: Big ten school shortly? How easy is it now or

515
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: how much easier will it be for whoever you know,

516
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, whoever is at Michigan, Dan Lanning, Lincoln Riley,

517
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Speaker 2: Troy Taylor, anybody who's recruiting against Washington be like, you

518
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: think je Fish is going to be there next year,

519
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: You think he's going to be there for your bowl

520
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: game this year? Like it becomes easier and easier to

521
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: recruit against that type of coach, right that Dan Lanning,

522
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: all these guys can sell I'm sticking around. I've had

523
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: offers and that when you start getting bigger and bigger jobs,

524
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Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing that can be used against

525
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: you more and more. And it seems that everything coming

526
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: out of Tucson, which by the way, he got that

527
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: program to a great place tennis at urging program. Have

528
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: you seen Arizona schedule this year? Yeah, like this seems

529
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: like it would have been the worst year to leave.

530
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Speaker 2: I saw that Johnny Nansen, one of the best recruiters.

531
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Speaker 2: He leaves for Texas for I think a codc job.

532
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: But kind of all eyeballs were pointed to twenty twenty

533
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Speaker 2: four for Arizona football book and so.

534
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Speaker 1: Look coming out. I don't know man coming into the

535
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Big Twelve. We talked about this too earlier this year.

536
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: It was there for them. It's a conference that you

537
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Speaker 1: look at it. There are some teams that are entering

538
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: from the West. Arizona is certainly one of them. Utah,

539
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Speaker 1: I think.

540
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Gizio he was going to be better this year.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, some of those new additions certainly could sneak

542
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: their way into the title hunt in the new Big Twelve. However,

543
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: many teams we got now eighteen like it's there for them.

544
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Speaker 1: I was surprised a little bit on that front because

545
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: we had heard for an eternity about Jedfish, because of

546
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: that strong connection to Florida, that if it when Florida

547
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: comes open, Jedfish is a name, and there were people

548
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: who were posting on Florida message boards shortly after this hire.

549
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: Florida people were upset because they're already done with Napier.

550
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: A lot of them are. They had sort of penciled

551
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Speaker 1: in and Jedfish seemed like maybe a guy they'd go

552
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: after given the connection there. That doesn't mean you can't

553
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: get him, guys. Yeah, probably have to play a pretty

554
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: hefty buyout, but it doesn't mean you can't get him

555
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: if you don't if you want him, because this guy's

556
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: got that track record.

557
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, think about how old is Jetfish.

558
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: You can look forty seven, so he's forty seven. So

559
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: he's been coaching since he was in college, so twenty

560
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: twenty five years, which he's not ancient, obviously, he's middle aged.

561
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: You get your first shot to be a head coach

562
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: at a pretty huge place, and two three years this

563
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: is a first shot. It's like, I don't know, I

564
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: it seems like Jedfish at Washington and his agent whoever

565
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: might already be thinking about that next job.

566
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Speaker 1: Probably what can.

567
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: We turn this? They like it seems especially transactional with him.

568
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: They have eighteen of twenty two starters coming back next

569
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: year and a schedule that is workable, going into a

570
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: new conference that is gettable. All the arrows felt like

571
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: they were pointed to next season for Arizona, truly one

572
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: of the more exciting stories coming into the air. If

573
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: the coach doesn't leave, and now maybe who knows what

574
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: happens with the roster. So I'm I'm just I'm disappointed

575
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: on that level. I get that these things go on,

576
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, I've got the bad taste in my mouth,

577
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: and I think it's really hard to ignore that blinking

578
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: red light of this dude's resume been everywhere. Might be

579
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: a nice guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy. People

580
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: like playing for him. He obviously was a pretty good coach.

581
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: But if another job opens up that he wants more,

582
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: how long is he at Washington? I don't know that works.

583
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: And there there was a hair away from beating USC

584
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: in overtime this past year at USC. It required like

585
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: an A plus plus effort from Caleb Williams to pull

586
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: that game out. So then you're talking about eleven wins,

587
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: like he was successful in the portal. He was making

588
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: inroads in you know, the La southern California area. Like

589
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: Arizona's very attractive, it's a warm place like the vibes

590
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: are good. There might not be a lot of money,

591
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: which certainly plays a role, I suppose, But like the

592
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: big time place that was, as you just said, like

593
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Speaker 2: it was one of the great stories of the twenty

594
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Speaker 2: twenty three season, and just like to leave that good

595
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: will behind to go to an empty roster in Seattle,

596
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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it just seems like very short

597
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: term thinking.

598
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look, Washington was put in a bit

599
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: of a pickle given the time total of all this.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't decimated, and they needed somebody.

601
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't fault Washington one iota for going out

602
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: and trying to get somebody, and especially Jeed Fish. Jedfish

603
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: is viewed as a rising star in the coaching world,

604
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: So don't. I don't fault Washington for this one bit.

605
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: They decided they didn't want Ryan Grubbs. Sounds like Ryan

606
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: Grub's gonna end up with Kaylen de boor anyway Alabama.

607
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: But jad Fish your guy at Washington. Now, the Arizona

608
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: thing is still ongoing at time of recording, I have

609
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: picked up notes of this being basically a mess right now. Uh.

610
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: There the the latest tweet I saw was maybe Brent Brennan.

611
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Maybe some players want to bring back Johnny Nansen.

612
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, more Brendan Carroll's name came up, but I think

613
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: he's following Jed Fish to Seattle, Pete Carroll, Sony more

614
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: to come.

615
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: On the Arizona front. That is not a bad situation.

616
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be a challenge. I think they keep

617
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: that roster intact. That's going to be the hard part.

618
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: But you know, certainly going into the Big Twelve now

619
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Speaker 1: with the schedule, with the whole conference being in flux,

620
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: if you don't lose too much, you can maybe stand

621
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: to plug some of those gaps in the interim. The

622
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: other big story that is sort of emerging, it hasn't

623
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: really come to a full boil yet. There have been

624
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: plenty of rumors out there about Jim Harbaugh talking Chargers today,

625
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: reported interest from the Raiders, potential interest from the Commanders.

626
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: We're not NFL guys here, but certainly this would have

627
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: a pretty big impact again late in the game on

628
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: the college football coaching carousel front, certainly with recruiting, with

629
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Speaker 1: where things go. Saw JJ McCarthy did declare for the

630
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, as did Blake Krum. Two guys won't be

631
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: playing for Michigan next season. McCarthy's a very interesting prospect.

632
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: We will have folks on who can help us dissect

633
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: where he stands in in the pecking order. I also

634
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: saw Bruce f ALBM and our friend from the Athletic

635
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: put out a column talking about which direction Michigan might

636
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: go if Harbaugh does in fact leave. Sharon Moore seems

637
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: to be the obvious name that would inherit things in

638
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: ann Arbor, given his track record, recent track record towards

639
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the end of the season when he filled in for Harbaugh.

640
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Some other names that Bruce mentions, Lance Leipold from Kansas,

641
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: seemingly the mix of all of these coaching searches at

642
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: this point.

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00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: Chris name came up with Washington Lance Leipold, and he

644
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Speaker 2: sort of emphatically said, so excited to have our twenty

645
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Speaker 2: four guys, twenty twenty four guys right on campus with

646
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: you know, big things ahead kind of yeah.

647
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: So Lance Leipold, no surprise there, Chris Cleman, no surprise there.

648
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: Another name that wouldn't surprise me to hear him come

649
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: up with come up in accordance with other jobs as

650
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: they come open over the next few seasons. He also

651
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: mentioned Brian Kelly, which would be something else for him

652
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: to move away from LSU. I don't know how much

653
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm buying that, but Bruce has better sources than we do,

654
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: so more to come on that front, certainly if the

655
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: Harbon news breaks, that's that's another one of those break

656
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: glassing case of situations for you and I, But that

657
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: would seemingly be the next big domino to fall, if

658
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: indeed it does.

659
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fascinating not just to see if and

660
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: when Schronmore gets the job, but what does that staff

661
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: look like. We've already seen, as you mentioned, guys declare

662
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: a couple guys deciding to come back to Michigan, you know,

663
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: to see what the recruiting class ends up looking like

664
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: in this cycle with obviously the normal signing day, the

665
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: regular signing day still a couple of weeks out, and

666
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: so how much of it is continuity from the Harbor

667
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: era and how much of it is Shronmore's own or

668
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: whoever's stamp on the program Because they've recruited well but

669
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: not in like a killer way. But it didn't matter

670
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: because they developed guys so well and they had such

671
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: a clear identity. Obviously, now you're reigning national champions, So

672
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: fascinating job. And you know, obviously there's the off field

673
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: stuff and waiting to hear it anything from you know,

674
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: any governing body about the scouting stuff. But I don't know, man,

675
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: I think that's that's probably a short term thing. Anyway,

676
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: huge enormous job as we go into this new era.

677
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: The news that JJ McCarthy is leaving, I think is

678
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: is also somewhat significant on that front. I mean, JJ

679
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: talk about a polarizing prospect. I mean definitely the kind

680
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: of guy who I think you would want as the

681
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: face of your franchise because if you've ever seen him

682
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: on camera, there are very few college athletes in the

683
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: game today that are as comfortable and fluid on camera

684
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: as JJ McCarthy. Like, if the football thing doesn't work out,

685
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: he can easily be a broadcaster, probably tomorrow. He is.

686
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: He's good at it.

687
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: You're already looking for you at it? No, he asked

688
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: his career.

689
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: He's good at it. He's good at it. But the

690
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: draft stock that's going to be very very interesting to

691
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: chart because you know, the physical tools are there. You know,

692
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: he has a lot of the tools that I think

693
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: the NFL once and requires in this day and age,

694
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: but wasn't necessarily in a system that highlighted it. Right,

695
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: we talk about the Penn State game only through the

696
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: ball what eight times nine times in that game? Yeah,

697
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: the system that he was in did not require him

698
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: to do a whole lot. He certainly could have done more,

699
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: and he showed in big spots, notably in the playoff,

700
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: what he can do. Sure, So, how the NFL sees

701
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: a guy like that, I think is going to be

702
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: fascinating for us as we get a little bit deeper

703
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: into spring.

704
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Agree, No, I mean, look, we're going to have

705
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: the first portal window has closed for everybody who didn't

706
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: have a coach leave their program. You get thirty days

707
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: after that, so we'll have more portal windows and more

708
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: coach movement certainly, and more recruiting stuff coming up. There's

709
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: you know, before we know, we'll be into spring ball.

710
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: But no, we'll be fascinating to see a lot of

711
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: these guys either who gets the job be at Arizona, Michigan, whatever.

712
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 2: What staves I love that word staves look like at

713
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: these places, which at Fish's staff looks like No, this

714
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: is it's constantly fluid, and uh as always can't wait

715
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: to can't wait to see what happens as we enter

716
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: this brave new world.

717
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: The other bit of news that I think was merely

718
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: a formality Caleb William's going pro as well. Yeah, and

719
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to end with with this conversation about Cale

720
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Williams because we're going to hear a lot about him

721
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: from people who haven't watched a single game of Caleb Williams.

722
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Not certainly, not to the extent that you and I

723
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: have a lot of NFL fans who hear the name,

724
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: They go on YouTube, they watch the clips. Obviously the

725
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: clips are pretty exciting for Caleb Bully.

726
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

727
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, from your from our layman's perspective, what

728
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: kind of a pro is Klebilliams like, given given what

729
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: you saw from him at USC.

730
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: And Oklahoma, Yeah and Oklahoma.

731
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: Sure? Is he the real deal? Is he the product

732
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: of the Lincoln Riley system? How do you feel about

733
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams just broadly speaking?

734
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: I tried to just take him on sort of face

735
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: level whatever to just like he's real exciting to watch

736
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: and make some incredible plays. And I don't really think

737
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: about these guys you watch. You don't even watch that

738
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: much NFL, but you certainly watch more than I do.

739
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: I uh, yeah. The the the times that I thought

740
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: critically about Caleb Williams at USC, there were there were

741
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: certainly moments against big teams, medium sized teams, whatever, where

742
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: I imagine Lincoln Riley being frustrated a little bit with

743
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams for freelancing a play that didn't need freelancing,

744
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: that perhaps you know, that the footwork was not necessarily

745
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: there to you know, take a drop step into the

746
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: pocket and hit you know, Mario Willilliams in stride. That

747
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 2: maybe it was because I thought, I thought Danier Lobsky

748
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: made a couple of good points in talking about him,

749
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: that because he knew the defense wasn't going to be

750
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: there for him, that he thought he had to score

751
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: touchdowns on every play, that it wasn't good enough to

752
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: hit you know, a guy up the seam for twelve

753
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: yards when we need points quickly. And so that might

754
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: have played into Kleb Williams' mentality that he wasn't always

755
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, in rhythm and you know, making the platform

756
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: throws that were there at trying to you know, go

757
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: downfield for fifty three yards as often as he possibly could.

758
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: He's not super.

759
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Tall, No, he's six' to, one like two, fifteen two,

760
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: twenties so he doesn't have the quote unquote prototypical PROTOTYPICAL nfl,

761
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: size but he can, move you. Know the knock on

762
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: him and the system that he played in is pretty

763
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: much the same as we've heard for Other Kyler, murray,

764
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: right it's a one read, system that type of. Stuff

765
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: and Obviously Kyle bollams over the course of his career

766
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: has had to play a little bit of hero. Ball.

767
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: Right we saw that on full display FOR usc to your,

768
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: point so you, know to what end that? Matters doesn't. Matter,

769
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: again we're not, scouts BUT i bring this up BECAUSE

770
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: i suspect as we get a little bit deeper into

771
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: the into the spring, months this is one of those

772
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: rare points of overlap between college and pro where college

773
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: fans who don't really give a lick about THE nfl

774
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: are just interested to see where some of these name

775
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: brand players go and how they're viewed by scouts at

776
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: the next. Level AND i suspect Kle billiams is going

777
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: to be a very very interesting, name not just because

778
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: he is the projected first round pick at this, juncture

779
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: but also because there's going to be some debate around.

780
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: HIM i don't know if it's a lock that you

781
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: would take him number one overall again from my thirty

782
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: thousand foot, view just because of the, system because of

783
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: some of the knocks That i've heard people mention about.

784
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Him but alas he makes it official that he's going,

785
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: pro we expected. It it figures to be a rather

786
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: loaded quarterback class this. Year It's Caleb, williams a straight,

787
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: Mat It's Jade Daniels's Boat, nicks it's you, know we

788
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: can go right down the, List JIM jj, McCarthy Michael. Pennix.

789
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Right part of the reason why qhen you Were society

790
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: is not going pro because there are already so many

791
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are out. There so we'll be fascinating to

792
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: see as we get a little bit deeper into this

793
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: thing how these guys stack.

794
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: Up, also being the quarterback for The university Of texas

795
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: does not seem like the worst position enough to be hell,

796
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: no hell no. Here the only other thing About Caleb

797
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: williams is the most obvious, thing and that is he

798
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: has it, right he has the whatever, indescribable indefinable it,

799
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: is and so that he is a. Gamer he can,

800
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: improvise he can make something out of. Nothing he can

801
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: make the impossible look. Possible and it's just not that

802
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: often that you see dudes that have, that that have

803
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: that kind of supreme confidence and will to get a

804
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: play that looks like it has nothing into twenty seven yards.

805
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Here's and so there's a little bit At. Holmes, yeah

806
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: there's a little bit Of Pat mahome.

807
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: Teon, yeah you know, there but you Can, yeah that's

808
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: a little bit most recent like comp, however accurate, Whatever but,

809
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: yes it's it's the similar quality of like on a certain,

810
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: level if you Have Fred warner bearing down on Your Kyle,

811
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: HAMILTON i. DON'T i just looked at The All pro

812
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: list earlier. TODAY i believe at Least Kyle hamilton is

813
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: An All. Pro Kyle hamilton's so incredible this. Season, yeah,

814
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: okay so he's he's like the guy for The, raves.

815
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Safety for The ravens formerly.

816
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: Noted so if you have that level athlete at, linebacker at,

817
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: safety at defensive, end, right if you have somebody who

818
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: needs to be able to get away From Aaron donald

819
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: that like you kind of need something that's just filled

820
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: with pixie, dust and say whatever you want about any

821
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: of the other. Quarterbacks it seems like he's the only

822
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: guy with that pixie, dust, right and there's something that,

823
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: like oh, man you you kind of need that in

824
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: today's world if you're going to be like a superstar

825
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: quarterback or Be Joe.

826
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: Flacco there's only like six good quarterbacks, anyway you.

827
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: Know, yeah and now one of them C. J, stroud

828
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: and one of them has that like, unwaivable unshakable confidence

829
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: in his abilities and it definitely has like the quality

830
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: you want in a. Quarterback and so you're looking for

831
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: that next, guy and ceiling, wise it seems Like Caleb

832
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: williams is like the superman of this class.

833
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: Right in let. Us i'm very curious among the forballer

834
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: hood where people stand on Kle bliams and not JUST usc.

835
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i think we'll even get some dispute AMONG usc.

836
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: People but we're at soliverbal On, twitter on x we're On,

837
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: facebook we're On, instagram we're on all the usual hotspots

838
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: you can have always of course right in soliverble at

839
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: gmail dot. Com and if you're a ball. Er excuse.

840
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: Me you can of course comment on this ad free

841
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: posting because this episode's available ad free adverballers dot. Com

842
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: let us tell your. Thoughts i'm just genuinely curious where

843
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: people stand on, him, really on any of these, quarterbacks

844
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: just let let us know who you would. Take i'm

845
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: very interested because my, team The, giants is picking sixth

846
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: and they desperately need a. Quarterback whether or not it

847
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: comes to, that we'll, see But i'm very interested in

848
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: this for multiuder.

849
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: Reasons good luck to you and the g.

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Speaker 1: Men g all, Right i'll. LOOK i hope you enjoy

851
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: your time out in the fairer weather of Southern. California

852
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: how is it out?

853
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: There how you doing out there In? Pa it's.

854
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Cold it's really. Cold, yeah we're getting snow. Tomorrow it's really.

855
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Speaker 1: Cold it's like twenty. DEGREES i went for a walk.

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Speaker 2: place is, cool this place is.

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Speaker 1: Great was it all you wanted it to be and?

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Speaker 2: More, YEAH i because you are a very good Like

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Speaker 2: oh they actually redid this area and they do like

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Speaker 2: like you did a good. JOB i think you represented

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Speaker 2: your place really.

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Speaker 1: WELL i. AM i am a noted. AMBASSADOR i suppose, yeah,

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Speaker 1: YEAH i THINK i drive other people. Crazy but since

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Speaker 1: this is your first time, here you're.

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Speaker 2: A, well, yeah in your SPECIFIC i came in like

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Speaker 2: ten twelve years, ago but that was to like your mom's,

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Speaker 2: house to record a show in your childhood, basement your childhood.

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Speaker 2: Bedroom so, NO i didn't get the same kind Of

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Speaker 2: now everywhere we go it's, like oh, hey tie soliverbal.

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Speaker 2: Tie oh my, god tie.

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Speaker 1: Tie WHEN i was in my jedfish apartment with nothing

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Speaker 1: on the walls THAT i could move out of at,

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Speaker 1: home it's notice.

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Speaker 2: It's, right exactly your crash pad of an. Apartment, yeah

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Speaker 2: you seem to have settled in to an actual permanent house,

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Speaker 2: now which is. Nice you have a lovely, wife you

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Speaker 2: have a lovely. Dog you set up your, studio you

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Speaker 2: got a backyard, there it's all happening For.

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Speaker 1: Tyl all, Right, well enjoy your time out. There say

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Speaker 1: hello to mister and Missus rubinstein for me and for

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Speaker 1: all of you listening out, there whether it is hot or,

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Speaker 1: cold or snowy or sonny wherever it finds. You thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for, downloading for, listening for supporting the.

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Speaker 1: Show we'll be back On thursday And, thursday so, peace