1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has concluded it's absolutely magnificent term with 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: a major blow to the deep state. So now we 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: are in the dog days of summer and we are 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: looking ahead, looking ahead to the midterm elections. This is 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: Verdict with Ted Cruz. This episode A Verdict with Ted 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Cruz is brought to you by American Hartford Goal. Now, 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: the new inflation numbers are out, and I think we 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: can all agree they are incredibly depressing. The price of 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: gas is way up, the price of housing is up, 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: the US national debt is way way way up. 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Again, the phone 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: number is eight five five seven six eight one eight 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: eight three, or text the word cactus to six five 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: five three two. Welcome back to Verdicts with Ted Cruz. 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: I am Michael Knowles, so pleased to be joined by 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: the Senator who is on vacation, but there is no 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: vacation when it comes to verdict So a Senator, thank 35 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: you for jumping off the beach for a few moments 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: to join us on the show. Well, happy fourth of July, 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: and it's great to celebrate our nation's birth and independent 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: and it's great to do that with the family at 39 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: the beach, but sometimes you got to come back and 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: address major issues that have come up. One of them 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: is we've covered so much of this Supreme Court term, 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: which seems to me certainly the greatest Supreme Court term 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: in my lifetime, perhaps in American history. With the overruling 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: of Row, you had the major win for Second Amendment rights, 45 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: major win for religious liberty, major win for education freedom, 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: and now in West Virginia versus EPA, a major blow 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: for the administrative state. But this case, probably more than 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: any of the others, is pretty complex. I don't know 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: all the nuances of it, and I've really tried to 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: dig into it. The case does not overrule what is 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: called Chevron deference, which is a major source of power 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: for the administrative state, but it does beef up the 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: Major Questions doctrine, which is to protect the power of 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: the people to make their voices heard against the administrative 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: agencies of the executive What does this case do so, 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: cutting to the bottom line, I think this case is 57 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: an important victory A for democracy, for actually having control 58 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: of policy, b in the democratically elected branches of government, 59 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: and B for jobs and our ability to pay our bills. 60 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: So what this concerned was under the Obama administration, they 61 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: rolled out what they called their Clean Power Plan, and 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: it was the EPA. It was a massive power grab 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: to essentially shut down coal fired power plants across the country, 64 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: and force a transition to natural gas and wind and solar. 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: And to do so, the EPA itself admitted that its plan, 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the Obama EPA, would cost billions of dollars in the economy, 67 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: would destroy tens of thousands of jobs, this was their 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: own estimate, and would drive up everyone's cost of energy. 69 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: So that that was the Obama administration's big present to America. Now, 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: the plan has been litigated ever since the Obama administration. 71 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: Under Trump, they rescinded the rule. Under Biden, they rescinded 72 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: the decision. In other words, they potentially teed it up again. 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: Just when we've got five dollar gasoline and electricity prices 74 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: going through the roof. The Biden EPA was threatening to 75 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: put yet more regulatory burdens driving up the cost of energy. 76 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: And what the Supreme Court did has struck it down. 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: It was a six three decision. Chief Justice Roberts wrote 78 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: the opinion. And what Chief Justice Roberts relied on, as 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: you mentioned it there, it's called the Major Questions doctrine. 80 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: The Major Questions doctrine essentially says that if there is 81 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: a regulatory decision that is a big deal that has 82 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: big consequences, economically, politically, that Congress has to have been 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: very clear in giving the agency the authority to do it, 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: that the Court is not going to read in some vague, 85 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: ambiguous language. In this case, the Obama EPA was relying 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: on language that had been on the books for decades, 87 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: had never been applied to have such a massive power grab. 88 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court said, look, if if you're looking 89 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: at a regulation that is going to have a massive 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: economic impact, you can do that. But Congress has to 91 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: be really clear that it wants to give the agency 92 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: that authority that we're not going to read in just 93 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: through vague and ambiguous language. And I think that that's 94 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: an important decision. One of the things the Court relied 95 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: on quite a bit is the fact that that Congress 96 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: had repeatedly debated cap and trade, had debated putting a 97 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: tax on carbon, had debated a lot of these policies, 98 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: and had rejected it over and over and over again. 99 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: And the Court said, look, if Congress, when they try 100 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: to vote on it, can't decide this is a good idea, 101 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: we're not going to read into ambiguous language the ability 102 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: for the agency to just circumvent Congress. So this is 103 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: a big win for the conservative who wanted to deal 104 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the conservatives who have for a long time wanted to 105 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: deal a blow against the administrative state and against the 106 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: EPA in particular. We're Goodness takes the epas the villain 107 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: and ghostbusters. They've been in our cross here is for 108 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: a very long time. But it doesn't seem to go 109 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: all the way that many libertarians and conservatives have wanted 110 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: the Court to go, which is to overrule Chevron deference 111 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: at which comes out of a Supreme Court decision that 112 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: gives a lot of authority to the agencies to regulate themselves. 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: Is that right? That's right? And look, I think it's 114 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: entirely possible that this Court will overrule Chevron Deference in 115 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: a subsequent case. The Court didn't need to go there 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: in this case because the Major Questions Doctrine resolved the 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: matter and resolved it actively, and so it was unnecessary 118 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: to consider Chevron deference and decide it on that basis. 119 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: You know what I would say? So a legislative proposal 120 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: that I've long been in a proponent of is something 121 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: called the Rains Act, and I'm a co sponsor the 122 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Rains Act. The Rains Act provides that any regulation that 123 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: imposes an economic cost of one hundred million dollars or 124 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: more requires an updown vote from Congress before going into effect, 125 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: and the Rains Act hasn't passed. I have fought hard 126 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: to try to get it passed, and we haven't gotten 127 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: it done yet. I tried very hard with the Trump 128 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: administration for them to make it a priority, and the 129 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Trump White House that it just wasn't a priority for them. 130 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: I think it would have been the most significant regulatory 131 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: reform we could do to create an environment where jobs 132 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: are plentiful. This Supreme Court decision is a step in 133 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: that direction because it is saying the way they laid 134 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: out the major questions doctrine, they said, if it has 135 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: a big economic impact. Now, they didn't quantify what a 136 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: big economic impact was. And here the Obama administration's own 137 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: estimate is that they were destroying tens of thousands of jobs, 138 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: so that they were readily admitting that they were they 139 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: were having a big, big economic impact. But this decision 140 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: I think is positive for limiting executive power absent congressional authorization, 141 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's that's important for part of the 142 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: reason why you see regulations that are really harmful to 143 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: the to jobs and businesses coming from the executive branch 144 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: is because bureacrats are unaccountable. They don't have to face 145 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: the people. And there's a power to having elected officials 146 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: vote on it, because look, if you're a member of Congress, 147 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: it's not an easy vote to cast a vote to 148 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: destroy tens of thousands of jobs. You tend to have 149 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: the people whose jobs you're destroying get really ticked off 150 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: at you and show up at town halls and yell 151 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: at you. And so there's a reason even Democrats at look, 152 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: some of the crazies don't mind voting that way, but 153 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: even Democrats get nervous about directly voting to destroy a 154 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: lot of jobs. That democratic accountability, I think is good 155 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: for economic freedom because if you have people who vote 156 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: for it, it lets the voters in the next election 157 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: step up and throw the bums out. Now, you mentioned 158 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: crazy Democrats, and this brings up a completely unrelated issue, 159 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: only related in the sense that unaccountable people are passing 160 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: lots of insane regulations right now. But I do have 161 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: to get your take on it, because it has somehow 162 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: come to dominate a lot of the political conversation over 163 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: the past few days Jordan Peterson and Dave Ruben. You're 164 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: just thrown off of Twitter. They've been suspended Jordan for 165 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: making a comment and then Dave for reposting is comment. 166 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: And the comment, WHI is that Ellen Page the actress? 167 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Is Ellen Page the actress? That was essentially the comment 168 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Jordan referred to Ellen Page, who's the girl from Juno 169 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: who now identifies as a man and calls herself Elliott. 170 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: He just called her Ellen and didn't disparage her really 171 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: in anyway, just pointed out that you had gone through 172 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: this gender transition and use the female pronounces. He was 173 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: thrown off for that. Dave was then thrown off the 174 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: internet for that. Have we really descended this far where 175 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: if you call a celebrity, very well known woman by 176 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: the name that she was known by for most of 177 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: her career, that you can now be thrown out of 178 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: the public square with basically no way to fight back. Look, 179 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: it is true insanity and the woke rules are changing 180 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: so fast you need a guide to reference it. So 181 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: apparently you're not allowed to say the words Ellen Page. 182 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: Are you allowed to say the words Ellen Page age? 183 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: With reference to when Ellen was going by Ellen and 184 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: starring in movies with the names Ellen Page on them. 185 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: Are you allowed to say that? Are you allowed to 186 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: say that Bruce Jenner was on the cover of Wheaties 187 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: or was that Caitlyn Jenner? And we didn't know it 188 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: even though it had the words Bruce Jenner printed on 189 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: the cover on the outside of the Wheati's box, there's 190 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: a level of you know, the term Orwellian gets tossed 191 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: around a lot, but it really is big, big tech 192 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: trying to erase we're at war with Eurasia. We've always 193 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: been at war with Eurasia. Anyone who says to the 194 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: contrary shall be disappeared. Now, look, if Ellen or Elliot 195 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: or whoever wants to go by whatever name they want 196 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: to go, fine, let go by whatever name you want. 197 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: That that's but to say no one is allowed to 198 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: say anything different. It's the opposite of liberty. It's totalitarian. 199 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: Is I think Ellen or Elliott or whatever name tomorrow 200 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: you want to go by Moon Unit, I don't care, Like, 201 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: call yourself whatever you want, that's fine, But nobody has 202 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: the right to silence others and to see Twitter just 203 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: so casually flicked Jordan Peterson off Twitter, so casually flicked 204 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: Dave Rubin off Twitter. I think is one of the 205 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: reasons we've talked about it a lot. I very much 206 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: hope Elon Musk goes through with this purchase. I think 207 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: it may be the most important development for free speech 208 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: in decades, and hopefully if and when Musk buys Twitter, 209 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: this sort of garbage will stop, because it is idiocy. 210 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: There's a kind of irony here too, because before Allen 211 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: started identifying as Elliott, she was gay, married to a 212 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: woman to a woman who identifies as a lesbian. This 213 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: was after same sex marriage became a cultural phenomenon, but 214 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: sort of before transgenderism became a cultural phenomenon. And it 215 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: occurred to me that to affirm Ellen, who now goes 216 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: by Elliot's gender identity, is to deny her lesbian partners 217 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: sexual orientation. I'm trying to see if I can keep 218 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: that straight, which is to say, we cannot simultaneously affirm 219 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: so many contradictory things. And you mentioned it's Oceania being 220 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: at war with East Asia. Oceania has always been at 221 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: war with East Asia. The rules are changing so constantly. 222 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: I think what is really scary for Americans who aren't 223 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: keeping up and who don't really care. What Ellen Page 224 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: does is that you can be ostracized, You can be 225 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: censored and removed from the town square because Twitter and 226 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: Google and Facebook, those are the town square now for 227 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: simply saying the thing that every single person believed until 228 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: about five minutes ago. If Twitter now holds that you 229 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: cannot call a woman who identifies as a man a woman, well, 230 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: then effectively are aren't they prohibiting any disagreement with transgenderism? 231 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: The vast majority of Americans who I suspect do not 232 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: go along with a radical transgender kind of worldview. Does 233 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: that mean that now the people who control the public square, 234 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: the flow of ninety percent of information around the Internet, Google, Facebook, 235 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: and Twitter, we're just not allowed to express our opinions. Look, 236 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it means that they want to silence dissent. 237 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: You know. I will say back in twenty sixteen, I 238 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: actually had a person who identified herself to me as 239 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: Ellen Page confront me an Iowan. So I was at 240 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the Iowa State Fair. I was actually cooking pork chops 241 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: at the Iowa State Fair, and this young woman walked 242 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: up to me and began questioning me on I don't 243 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: remember exactly. It was gay marriage, gay lesbian issues. I 244 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: had no idea who she was, but that conversation with her, 245 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: it was filmed and put out there, and at the 246 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: time she had later identified herself as actors Ellen Page. 247 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: I am I allowed to say that. That's what she 248 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: told her name was when she was questioning me, and 249 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: that's what she said online. Maybe I was being questioned 250 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: by Elliott. I didn't know it like it. There is 251 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: a level of this gets pitched and it's like through 252 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: the looking that glass where they say this is all 253 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: about I guess the phrase is dead name him. You know, 254 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: you don't have a right to control what other people say. 255 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: You know, if Michael you want to go by Michelle, 256 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: knock yourself out. But but you don't have the right. 257 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: You know. It's like the old phrase, my freedom to 258 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose. 259 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: You have all the liberty you want to say what 260 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: you want, but that doesn't extend to silencing someone else 261 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: saying something that you don't like. And today's left doesn't 262 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: believe that. Part of it is they're rules on things 263 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: like like gender, and I don't know how many one 264 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven genders. I can't keep up with 265 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: the latest, the latest, fantastical distinctions. Their rules make so 266 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: little sense that I think they realize they must silence 267 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: anyone questioning them because they can't defend them on the merits. 268 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: And that does fundamentally reflect and acknowledging a weakness on 269 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: their part. It also does seem to go along with 270 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: the broad broader leftist ethos, which is a rejection of 271 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: the past. Actually, if you read some of the literature 272 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: around the phenomenon of dead naming, this phrase only cropped 273 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: up about ten years ago on the Internet to refer 274 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: to the names that people have gone by their whole 275 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: lives until they decide to identify as the opposite sex. 276 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: A lot of the literature around that will discuss it 277 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: as a rejection of the past. It didn't happen. Ellen 278 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: was never Ellen. Ellen was always Elliott. Your Oceani was 279 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: always at war with East Asia. As you say, well, 280 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: and let me ask you a question. Let me ask 281 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: a question on this, Michael. And this is this is 282 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: where you're you're good at Theoretical navel gazing is the 283 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: current theory of transgenderism. Let's take it that Ellen was 284 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: always Elliott. And if that's the case, that does that 285 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: imply that there actually is objective truth that Ellen was 286 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: in fact Elliott. And isn't that in contradiction with the 287 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: other left wing tenant that you can change whatever the 288 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: hell you are right now, you can become a woman, 289 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: a man, and a chipmunk, all in the course of 290 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: this podcast, Like is their objective truth or not? And 291 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: what I don't know is do the leftist activist do 292 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: they distinguish like, dude, are they willing to say, well, 293 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Ellen may have been a woman in twenty sixteen when 294 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: she introduced herself as Ellen and said she was a woman, 295 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: but now she's a man? Or do they maintain that 296 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: what is today was yesterday too and she didn't change anything? 297 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: And how do you tell the difference? Is there like 298 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: a guide some people say they change and some didn't 299 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: like what's the what is the reasoning behind this? The 300 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: current view held by the people who promote this kind 301 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: of ideology is that Ellen is now and always was Elliott, 302 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: even when she was in that movie about being pregnant 303 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: and possibly having an abortion, when she was in Juno, 304 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: even then she was really a man. But what if 305 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: Elliott believes that she was Ellen? Then like like, is 306 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: she allowed or he allowed? Well, this I think is 307 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: the key. Is that an acceptable? This is the key 308 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: because you know on Wikipedia, if you look at Ellen 309 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: Page or Bruce Jenner or any really prominent person who 310 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: identifies as transgender, the way that that person will be 311 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: described will always be with the pronouns that they are 312 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: now using, including going back to the very moment of birth. 313 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: But your question is such an important one because you're saying, well, 314 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: what decides if Ellen wakes up tomorrow and says I'm 315 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: Ellen again, I'm as she again, and people have done 316 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: that plenty of times, then is she is she again? 317 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's the case. I think what this 318 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: ultimately comes down to is not that there is objective truth. 319 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: For the obviously there is objective truth. But I don't 320 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: think the contention of the left and the transgender ideology 321 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: is that there is objective truth. I think what it 322 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: comes down to is the primacy of the will. Whatever 323 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: Ellen says is true, even if what Ellen says contradicts 324 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: what Allen said yesterday. And so politics devolves from a 325 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: reasoned debate that you constantly hear conservatives and old school 326 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: liberals lamenting the loss of reasoned civil dialogue. Well that 327 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: has to go away. If politics really only comes down 328 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: to my will versus your will, and my interest versus 329 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: your interest, well then we can't talk to each other. 330 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: Then then we really can't even communicate. It's just all 331 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of sounds and pronouns and new noises that 332 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: don't really have any coherence to them. Well unless they're 333 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: connect to divorce, and you will be fired, you will 334 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: be silenced, you will be blocked, you will be canceled 335 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: if you don't comply with what I demand. And that's 336 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: the call of the left, you know, on these names. 337 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: I also all it's also seems to me that the 338 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: names are intentionally provocative. You know, there are plenty of 339 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: names that are androgynous and ambiguous. I don't know Taylor, 340 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: Skylar Madison, you know. But when it comes down to 341 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: this question of someone who's obviously a woman going by 342 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, Hank or something that seems a little 343 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: little crazy as well. And I think this issue keeps 344 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: getting so much play in large part because ordinary people 345 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: who are not engaging in all this kind of ideological 346 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: naval gazing who are not very online or marching with 347 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: the radical leftists in the streets, who are just kind 348 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: of conducting their ordinary lives. They're looking at this and 349 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: they're saying, I know this is obviously wrong. Well, I 350 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: will say, so, I'm on a plane an awful lot, 351 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: and so I download lots and lots of shows, streaming shows, 352 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: and one of the shows that I've watched on Netflix 353 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: is something called Umbrella Academy about these students who have 354 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: sort of superhero type powers. And for the first two seasons, 355 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: Umbrella Academy starred Ellen Page and the third season, which 356 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: I just finished watching it now, stars Elliot Page. And 357 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: what's interesting is the character in the Netflix series has 358 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: the same transition that Ellen slash Elliot has had, and 359 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: in fact, the beginning of season three, the character is 360 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: a woman, although the credits say it's Elliott Page playing 361 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: a woman, and then the character decides that she is 362 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: a heat And part of how Hollywood does this is 363 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: every single person immediately just this is reality and and 364 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: and it was an interesting example because when I started 365 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: watching season three, I was kind of curious how they 366 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: were going to handle this issue, and so they made 367 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: the character completely mirror what the actor was going through 368 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: as well, which which I just thought was an interesting wrinkle. 369 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: It's a total failure of imagination, it seems. Also, it 370 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: seems that it used to be that acting was when 371 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: you pretended to be someone that you were not. Now 372 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: we're told that unless you're gay, you can't play a 373 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: gay character, unless you're this specific sub race of a 374 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: group of p you can't play a person of that 375 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: group unless you know what. Whatever happened to playing pretend, 376 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: whatever happened to the imagination that that seems to be 377 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: out the window right now, Michael, That's exactly right. The 378 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: concept of acting has has just gone away. I mean 379 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: now in order to play Michael Knowles, one must be 380 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: a Catholic conservative attack Sicilian, and nobody other than Michael 381 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: Knowles can play up Michael Knowles. That's right, and the 382 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: whole concept of acting has gone. You know, there's a 383 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: there's a famous story of when Sir Lawrence Olivier was 384 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: doing a movie along with Dustin Hoffman, and you know, 385 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: Hoffman is famously a method actor, and in the scene 386 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: he was required to be very, very tired, so he 387 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: stayed up all night and he was exhausted, and for 388 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: some reason there was a problem shooting and they weren't 389 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: able to fill in the scene, and Hoffman got upset 390 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: and uh and and and you know, I was like, look, 391 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: I stayed up all night. I was like getting ready, 392 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: now we're not going to shoot the scene. And Sir 393 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: Lawrence Olivier uh famously quipped to him, he said, my 394 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: dear boy, why don't you try right right? And then 395 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: the sort of meta's story on top of that, Uh, 396 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: did you ever see the movie Hook? Yeah? Oh years ago, 397 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: but yes, you know, it's a great movie with Robin 398 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: Williams and Dustin Hoffman and Robin Williams plays a grown 399 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: up Peter Pan and Dustin Hoffman plays Captain Hook. And 400 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: apparently while they were filming Hook, Robin Williams would make 401 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: fun of of of Hoffman and he would, you know, 402 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: he'd make the voice of a parrot and he go, caw, 403 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: try acting, try acting, And apparently there is no acting anymore. No, 404 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: no acting is over. I do want to clarify for 405 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: people too, if you do want to play me, not 406 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: just any Italian will do not. I don't want any 407 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: northern Itali. It's got to be from the town in 408 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: Sicily where my family comes from. That's how particular we're 409 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: we're going to get now that you know they say 410 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: that politics is show business for ugly people, and speaking 411 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: of particularity, I want to get Ninian. Thank you, Michael. 412 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: I take that personally, so thank you very much, with 413 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: notable exceptions of course, of course obviously for the people 414 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: on this podcast. But you know, when we're looking ahead 415 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: to the midterms, we got a whole lot of seats, 416 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: we got all of those hundreds of congressional seats, We've 417 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of Senate seats up to say 418 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: nothing about the state houses. So since you're much more 419 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: focused on the ground, on the nitty gritty, know the 420 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: players very closely. What should conservatives be looking at, where 421 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: should we be looking what races should we be focused on, 422 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: and how by what margin are we going to win? 423 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: So I'm very optimistic for November. I think it is 424 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: going to be an historic victory. I think the chances 425 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: of our taking the House are are approaching one hundred percent. 426 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: I think it is virtually a certainty that will take 427 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: the House. I think the real question is how big 428 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: of a margin? And I think the chances are good 429 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: that will take the Senate. I'd probably handicap the Senate 430 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: at sixty five thirty five on the House side. Some 431 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: of the reason why I'm so optimistic, let me give 432 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: you just some of the specific data, because the two 433 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: best predictors for elections historically have been the generic congressional ballot, 434 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: which is just asking people in the upcoming congressional election, 435 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: do you intend to vote Republican or Democrats, So without 436 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: a name of a candidate that is measured every year, 437 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: that's a very good predictor for what's going to happen 438 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: in November. And then the presidential approval or disapproval. And 439 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: consistently those two together had been very good predictors. So 440 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: if you look at you look at for example, twenty ten, 441 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: which was an historic year. In that election, the generic 442 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: ballot was Republican plus nine point four, so it was 443 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: really strong generic ballot. Presidential approval was actually not too bad, 444 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: it was point five, so it was just the disapproval 445 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: was just slightly above approval, and we ended up picking 446 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: up sixty three seats, getting to a majority of two 447 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: hundred and forty two seats. Likewise, twenty fourteen, the generic 448 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: was our plus two point four. Presidential approval was ten 449 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: point four, and we got to two hundred and forty 450 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: seven seats. Now, if you look at where we are 451 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty two, the generic congressional is R 452 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: plus three point three, So that means by a three 453 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: point three percent people say they're going to vote Republican 454 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: instead of Democrat. That's better than it was in twenty fourteen, 455 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: although not as good as it was in twenty ten. 456 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: But the presidential approval is minus eleven point five, which 457 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: is by far the worst, much much worse than twenty ten, 458 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: much much worse than twenty fourteen. Let me give you 459 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: another stat that is a very interesting predictor, which is 460 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: the enthusiasm gap. If you ask voters, are you very 461 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: excited to vote in November, it's a really good predictor 462 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: of what's going to happen. And if you go back 463 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: and look at it. In two thousand and six, Democrats 464 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: who were very interested in voting in November sixty nine percent, 465 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: Republicans fifty six percent. So the Democrats had a thirteen 466 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: percentage advantage on enthusiasm. They picked up thirty seats twenty 467 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: ten Democrats who were very interested was forty nine percent, 468 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Republicans was sixty six percent, So Republicans had a seventeen 469 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: percent advantage. We picked up sixty three twenty fourteen, the 470 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: differential was eleven percent. We picked up thirteen seats. Twenty eighteen, 471 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: the differential Democrats who were interested was sixty six percent, 472 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: Republicans fifty seven. So Democrats had a nine point advantage 473 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: and enthusiasm. They picked up forty seats. And then if 474 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: you go and look to March of twenty twenty two, 475 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: Democrats fifty percent of very interested in voting. In November, 476 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: Republicans sixty seven percent, so we've got a seventeen percent advantage. 477 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: All of that is suggesting that we could see a 478 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: Republican victory in the House with potentially a pickup anywhere 479 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: from thirty to sixty seats. I think that's the spread 480 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: that's in play, which is a whole lot of seats. 481 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: What we're seeing is congressional seats that are say a 482 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: D plus six or a D plus eight are right 483 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: now polling tie. If you look at Virginia, Virginia last year, 484 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: as you know, elected Glenn Younkin. Biden won Virginia by 485 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: ten points, So Virginia was a D plus ten and 486 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: an election day last year it went Republican. If we're 487 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: winning D plus ten congressional seats, we're looking at sixty 488 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: plus pickups in the House. So I think it's going 489 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: to be a big, big deal, And I think how 490 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: the Senate is too. So there are far too many 491 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: congressional House seats to track. In terms of the Senate races, 492 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: You've got some big celebrity candidates. Jdevans has made a 493 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: huge splash in Ohio. The yours is already a celebrity 494 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: and has been for a long time in Pennsylvania. What 495 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: are the races that we should really be looking at, 496 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: whether because they're bellweathers, you know, they're they're gonna tell 497 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: us which way the winds are blowing, or just because 498 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: they're so crucial for Republicans to pick. Sure, So the 499 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: reason the Senate is far less certain than the House 500 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: is that we don't have a great map this year. 501 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: So Republicans are defending more vulnerable seats than Democrats are. 502 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: And that just as luck of the draw of who 503 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: happens to be up, because in the Senate only the 504 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: third of the senators are up. Every two years. If 505 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: you look at Republican pickup opportunities, the fourmost natural are Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, 506 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: and New Hampshire. Georgia and Arizona have historically been read states. 507 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: Just a couple of years ago, they had both had 508 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: two two Republican senators. Now both Georgia and Arizona have 509 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: two Democrats senators. In Georgia, you've got Herschel Walker running um. 510 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: I think I think Walker's got a good shot at 511 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: winning that race. I think Georgia is still fundamentally a 512 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: red state. Uh the special elections or the runoff elections 513 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: that that happened in in twenty twenty one, Republican turnout 514 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: was depressed. It was right after the election. I was 515 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: on the ground. I saw it that that that our 516 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: base was demoralized and didn't show up in that special election. 517 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: And if if your guys stay home and the other 518 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: guys show up, that's that's a recipe for losing. So 519 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: I think Georgia is a real pickup opportunity. Arizona is 520 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: a real pickup opportunity. That's got a messy primary right now. 521 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: There's several candidates slugging it out in that primary, so 522 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: it's not clear who the Republican nominee is going to be. 523 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: Mark Kelly is the incumbent Democrat, and he is. He's formidable, 524 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: He's an astronaut um. His temperament seems moderate. I do 525 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: think Kelly has been really, really hurt by Kirsten Cinema, 526 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: the other Democrat senator from Arizona, because Cinema, on a 527 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: number of issues, most notably the filibuster, has stood up 528 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: to party leadership and has has tacked a more moderate course, 529 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: and it's made Kelly. It's revealed him. His voting record 530 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: is in many ways indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders, and I 531 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: think that even though he cultivates a persona being a moderate, 532 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: his voting record now does not match up with that. 533 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: I think Arizona we got a good pickup opportunity Nevada. 534 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: Adam Laxalt won the primary. I endorsed Adam, I campaigned 535 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: with him. I think Adam is a great pickup opportunity 536 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: if I were. In fact, I think Nevada Adam is 537 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: the most likely Republican pickup this cycle because I think 538 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: he's done a good job of unifying the party. I 539 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: think he's running a good campaign. I think we're gonna win. 540 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: In Nevada. New Hampshire, Maggie Hassan is on the ballot. 541 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: Her she's underwater. Her disapproval is greater than her approval. 542 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: I think she's vulnerable. It's not clear who the Republican 543 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: is going to be and if we're going to have 544 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: a strong candidate. I hope we do. If we have 545 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: a strong candidate, I think New Hampshire is winnable, but 546 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: we've got to get someone who is able to raise 547 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: the money and be competitive. If the governor of New Hampshire, 548 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Chris Sinunu, had run, I think he would have won easily. 549 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: He decided not to run, and so New Hampshire is 550 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: a state where we just got to wait and see 551 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: if we're going to have a candidate that can be competitive. 552 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: Those are the four best pickup opportunities. There are other 553 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: pickup opportunities that are more of a long shot. Colorado 554 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: Michael Bennett I think is vulnerable. He doesn't have great 555 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: name idee, he hasn't accomplished much of anything in the Senate. 556 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: Colorado is a bluish state that in a really good 557 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: year could conceivably go red. So I think Colorado is 558 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: a possible pickup Washington State. Right now, the polling in 559 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: Washington State is showing the Republican within just a couple 560 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: of points of Patty Murray, the incumbent Democrat. I'll give 561 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: you a long shot. Vermont. So Pat Lahey is retiring. 562 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: Pat Lahe is actually the only Democrat in the history 563 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: of Vermont elected to the Senate, which is really quite remarkable. 564 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: The other senator is Bernie Sanders. Is not a Democrat. 565 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: He's a socialist, right, He's not a member of the 566 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: Democrat party. You know, there's a former US attorney running 567 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: in Vermont, a woman who I think is in a 568 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: really good year, has a shot at that race. So 569 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: there are, depending on how good a year there is, 570 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: there are four natural pickup opportunities, and then I think 571 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: several more. Now, where are we on defense? We're on 572 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: defense number one in Pennsylvania, as you noted, So Pat 573 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: Toomey is the incumbent, he's a Republican, he's retiring. Doctor 574 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: Oz is the Republican nominee. I think doctor Oz can win. Uh. 575 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: He just went through a tough primary. But between him 576 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: and Dave McCormick, who was another very strong candidate, but 577 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic that that that Oz's numbers are not terrific 578 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: right now, but he just came out of the primary. 579 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic that's a winnable seat, but we need to 580 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: hold Pennsylvania. UM. Wisconsin, Ron Johnson is the incumbent Republican. 581 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: He probably is faces the greatest threat for any incumbent Republican. 582 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: Wisconsin's a historically purple state. I think Ron will win 583 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: this year. UM. I was just out in Milwaukee and 584 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: and supporting him in campaigning for him. I think he'll 585 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: win this year, but history history teaches that race is 586 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: likely to be close. UM. You mentioned Ohio. Rob Portman, 587 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: a Republican, is retiring. Jade Vance's the nominee. I think 588 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: I think Jade will win that race. But Ohio has 589 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: certainly historically been a swing seat. Uh. Missouri, You've got 590 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: Roy Blunt who's retiring. There, You've got a crowdy and 591 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: messy primary. The candidate I've supported, Eric Schmidt, who's the 592 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: attorney general, I think is the strongest conservative that can win. 593 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: But whether that race is competitive will depend on what 594 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: happens in the primary. One of the candidates in the primary, 595 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: Eric Gryten's the former governor resigned in scandal. I think 596 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: if Gryton's wins the primary, you'll see Democrats invest a 597 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: lot of money in Missouri. I think they'll think that 598 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: that's a seat they can steal. If Gryton's wins the nomination. 599 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: You know another state that could get bumpy as Alaska. 600 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: So Alaska, you've got Lisa Murkowski, who's the incumbent, She's 601 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: the Republican. Donald Trump has endorsed against her, he's campaigning 602 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: against her. Alaska also has a weird system of voting 603 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: of ranked choice voting, where you vote for multiple candidates 604 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: and then you eliminate the lowest vote and reallocate those votes. 605 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: So I don't know what will happen there. But anytime 606 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: you have Republicans divided, in this case, you got Trump 607 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: on one side and the incumbent Republican on the other, 608 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: it's messy. And you know, when I got to the 609 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: Senate ten years ago, Alaska had a Democrat, Mark Baggett 610 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: in it. I mean, Alaska is in a Senate race. 611 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: It's more purple than you might think. So I think 612 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: we will probably hold on to Alaska, but it's not impossible. 613 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: That we lose that state. So put all of that together, 614 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: put it in the blender. My guests, right now, if 615 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: the election were today, we'd win something like fifty three 616 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: seats altogether. But I think the plus minus is anywhere 617 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: from forty nine if things just go spectacularly bad to 618 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: fifty six if they go phenomenally and we win some 619 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: seats like like a Vermont or a Washington state. If 620 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: it's that good a year, we could get up in 621 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: the fifty five fifty six range. So then you're if 622 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: you're looking at retaking the House, and especially if you're 623 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: also looking at retaking the Senate, then you're setting the 624 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: stage for two years of stopping Biden, slowing down Biden. 625 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: It's hard to slow down Biden. Biden's pretty slow as 626 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: it is right now. But you you you stop the administration, 627 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: and then you look ahead to twenty twenty four. Is 628 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,479 Speaker 1: there is there anything that you're seeing right now that 629 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: you think in twenty twenty two will help to determine 630 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: the shape of the twenty twenty four field. Oh? Sure, 631 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: Number one. I think it's important that we win in 632 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 1: twenty two. But then when we had majorities, we got 633 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: to do something with it, and you know, that's just 634 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: the beginning of the battle to win the majorities. And 635 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: if we get to January twenty twenty three with majorities 636 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: in both houses, if Republican leadership decides to play a 637 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: prevent defense and do nothing and be risk averse, which 638 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: is often leadership's instinct, I think that will demoralize a 639 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: lot of voters. If you elect a bunch of squishes, 640 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: you can't just go blaming leadership when they push squishy policies. 641 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: The leadership is one trying to herd cats, but but two, 642 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: they are taking cues from their members. You know, they're 643 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: they're trying to operate levers of power within the confines 644 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: of reality. So I love this idea. You got to 645 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: go out there, You got to go elect the most right, 646 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: viable candidates, and then you're going to have a much 647 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: better shot of encouraging leadership to actually stand up and fight. Now, 648 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: there is much more to talk about, Senator, before you 649 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: return to your lovely family vacation that we have rudely interrupted. 650 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot more to talk about on the cloakroom 651 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: with our friend Liz Wheeler. Hi, Senator, Hi is it Michelle. 652 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: I've been waiting in the wings, and I just overheard 653 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: that that perhaps you're identifying as Michelle. Now, okay, well 654 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: I just want to so I was told I just 655 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: want to be the one to note that this is 656 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: breaking national news. We have a great topic that we're 657 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about on the Cloakroom today. 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