1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts brought to 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: you by zeal in Home Massages delivered to you download 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: the zeal Apple. I'll go to zeal dot comed He's 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: from a code Almost Famous to get off your first 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: in home onto mad Massage. I'm Ben, and you're listening 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: to the Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio edition. It 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: is a special edition. Ashley and I have decided to 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: jump on the phone with each other today. I'm actually 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: currently in Denver. Actually hid him at work. I'm yeah, 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: don't tell anybody, but I'm sitting in my office up 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: in the mountains. UM talking to Ashley about some breaking news, 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: UM that a lot of people have already heard about, 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: UM regarding Bachelor in Paradise. And we're here today to 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: UM maybe not share our opinion on the matter, but 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: our perspective coming from two people who have both participate 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: hated in this show or in this franchise. Ashley has 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: been the paradise I have not, and we just want 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: to try to shed some light on a situation that 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: is unfortunate, to say the least. UM. We hope by 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: the end of the episode we both have information, UM 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: that is clear. UH, that is truth and then allow 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: everybody out there, all of our listeners, to form their 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: own opinions, and we will follow this story as it 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: plays out. But first, Ashley, yes, do you think you know? 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: We've been getting tweets all weekend about people wanting us 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: to discuss this topic on the podcast, and you know, 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: the first forty eight hours, I was like, no way, 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: there's no way I'm gonna talk about this. I'm too 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: close to it, I am too close to the people 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: that are involved in it, and it's such a sensitive subject. 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: I really I just don't need to put my voice 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: out there when you know, you and I don't really 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: know facts. We're just really hearing hearsay from all these 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: different sources. So before we do divulge and talk to 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a reporter about some real straight facts, and we wanted 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: you guys to be able to come here to us, 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: who we like to think of as being like very 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: reliable sources in Bachelor Nation. I wanted to talk about 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: how my experience on The Bachelor and specifically Bachelor in 40 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: Paradise has been over the past two years. So it's 41 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: kind of interesting the timing on this because over the 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: past couple of months, I have spent so much time 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: thinking about how grateful I am for The Bachelor franchise. 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: Over the past three years, The Bachelor has allowed me 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: to connect with so many women who tell me that 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: watching me on the shows has helped them feel like 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: they're not alone. By seeing my raw vulnerability, honesty, and 48 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: just straight up messiness. It makes them feel quote normal. 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: In a world of picture perfect airbrush imagery. We would 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: never have had this platform to commu unicate with each 51 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: other if it weren't for The Bachelor. It's just one 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: of the very many things that I am so thankful 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: for when it comes to this franchise. And yes, I 54 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: cried a lot, and I got my heartbroken and both 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: of my stints in Paradise, and because of those experiences, 56 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: I've actually become a stronger person. And when I think 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: of Paradise, I don't think of sadness, as you may 58 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: assume from the crier. I think about the lifelong friends 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: I've made on camera and off, and how amazing it 60 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: is that I have such a tight knit, ever expanding 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: group of friends. I think about all the love and 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: passion that I felt in Paradise, and not the tears 63 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: I shed. I think about the kisses that made my 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: head spin, not the breakups that made my heartache. I 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: think about watching four of my good friends find their 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: great love, the person that they will presumably be with 67 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives, and the baby that 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: will be born in September from the love that was 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: found in Paradise. It's sad. It's sad that this summer's 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: cast will probably not be to have a similar experience 71 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: to my own. And I've been thinking about all those 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: affected since the news broke, and Ben and I have 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: of course been sending our love to everyone involved. That 74 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: being said, please keep in mind that during this podcast, 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: but and I were in president in Paradise during this 76 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: week's unfortunate moments, and we are trying to figure out 77 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: the mystery just like you guys are. There are so 78 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: many rumors and unconfirmed reports here on the Almost famous podcast. 79 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: We are trying to get the real story out there. 80 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: Just remember this isn't just a salacious story to Ben 81 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: and I. This is our second family we're talking about. 82 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, You're right and Um, thank you for 83 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: sharing your thoughts. I've never been to Paradise. Um, I 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: don't know how paradise works. I don't know how the 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: relationships work. I don't know the process of meeting somebody 86 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: in paradise. I honestly don't know the boundaries in paradise, 87 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: what's appropriate and what's not. And so today I'm here 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: to learn more myself. I think you're right. You are 89 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: close to the situation. You're friends with crant Um, You're 90 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: friends with a lot of people that were there during 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: this event. And for you to share, I guess, um 92 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: or comment on this situation doesn't seem fair to you. 93 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem fair to the people involved. Um, it 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: doesn't seem fair to the franchise. And so today we're 95 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: gonna this podcast is gonna feel different. It's gonna feel 96 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: more journalistic. UM. You know, I haven't written anything down, UM, 97 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: mostly because I don't know what to say entering into 98 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: this phone call with you. UM, I'm nerves, I'm nervous, 99 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm anxiously. I don't I don't feel great about this 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: talking about this topic, mostly because I don't know the truth. 101 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: And that's that has to be clear as we move 102 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: forward throughout this whole episode, is I don't know what's 103 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: true and what's not. I was not there. You were 104 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: not there. Everything is hearsay, um the and that's tough. 105 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: But what I will say, my only perspective I have 106 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: on this is from my experience on The Bachelor and Bachelorte. 107 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think you said it during um your 108 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: right up. A lot of these people who were cast 109 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: in Bachelor Paradise I consider friends. A lot of the 110 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: people that work on this show I consider friends and family. 111 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: They have seen me and my worst. They've seen me 112 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: at my best. They've seen me confused, they've seen me um. 113 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: You know I'm getting emotionally even kind of talking to 114 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: you about it. They they have seen me and been 115 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: beside me in moments um that I'm not proud of 116 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: and moments that I am proud of. They see me 117 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: when I was reading this lot, when I was writing 118 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: this last night, it's it's no surprise that I had 119 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: a lump in my throughout reading it, just thinking about 120 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: this amazing group of people that I have around me 121 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: who have accepted me at not only my best, but 122 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: my absolute or you're you're right, And I think I 123 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: think the show The Bachelor and Bachelor I have has 124 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: been given this. Um, I don't want to say. People 125 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: assume things about the show. They assume situations are set up, 126 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: they assume people are put forced into different scenarios. Assume 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: that we are forced to drink all the time. There 128 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: exactly they assumed. They assume that we're forced to drink. 129 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: And and in my experience, those were never the case. Um, 130 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 1: I was never forced into anything. I was talked through 131 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: as a friend in situations if I was confused, they 132 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: would sit with me and allow me to to speak 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: my mind and help me process. And yes, there is 134 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: producing that is done. It's a show. You know, there 135 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: are situations that that happened that they need to get 136 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: something out of it, But that's never a forced situation. 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: They don't write a storyline before the season starts. The 138 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: storyline makes itself up each and every day during the 139 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: process of filming The Bachelor at Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise. Um, 140 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: with that said, these people are humans. We've talked about 141 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: it in the first couple of weeks of this show, 142 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: this this podcast. People make mistakes. They're not perfect. They're 143 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: not going to be perfect at their job. And and 144 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: and the one thing that comes out of this whole 145 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: scenario is did somebody make a mistake, that a producer 146 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: make a mistake with things taken too far. I don't know, 147 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: but if it did, you have to understand that they 148 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: were just trying to portray a storyline that was existing 149 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: in front of them. My perspective on this show is 150 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: that there're three d to four hundred people in Mexico 151 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: who are now without jobs. That's tough. There's three hundred 152 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: to four hund people who are not millionaires. You know, 153 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison is not the only person that works on 154 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: the show. Their makeup, there's hair, there's cameras, there sound, 155 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: there's art, there's travel, there's date, producers. All these people 156 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: work on the show. And now you know, if the 157 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: situation existed, how you know, even in the worst case scenario, 158 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: it is terrible and nobody should support it. But what 159 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: we should support and what I want every viewer and 160 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: every listener no, is that there are people who are 161 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: now without a job and we should should feel for them, 162 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: just like it would happen to any unfortunate event if 163 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: somebody would lose a job. Um perfectly said. So as 164 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: as actual and I can move forward, I don't have 165 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: a comment. I don't I wish I did. I wish 166 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: I could tell you all this is exactly what happened. 167 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't have that. But we are going to talk 168 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: to somebody that I believe has done a good job 169 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: at investigating the situation. We're gonna allow her to speak. 170 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: Her name is Jackie Strauss from the Hollywood Reporter, and 171 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: soon we'll get her onto this podcast. And and because 172 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: actually is still close to the situation, and she has 173 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: asked and I have agreed to kind of lead that 174 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: discussion because I think for Ashley to dive too much 175 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: into this, she's going to be very biased. I'm gonna 176 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: even be biased. I'm gonna fight that. Um. But we're 177 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: gonna talk to Jackie and see what she or listened 178 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: to what she has found out. Until then, Ashley, as 179 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: all this played out over the last week or a 180 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: few days, I'm sure your heart has been pulled in 181 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: a thousand different directions. Right. You're friends with kran You're 182 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: friends with a lot of people that work on the show. UM. 183 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: From a former cast member on Bachelor in Paradise perspective, 184 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: what are the things that stand out to the most, 185 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,479 Speaker 1: that is most was detrimental not only for Bachelor in Paradise, 186 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: but also for I believe I want to hear from 187 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: your production of the cast that had kind of paused 188 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: their lives to be a part of Bachelor in Paradise. Well, 189 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: you should have seen the group messages that were going 190 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: on during Saturday night Sunday when all this was breaking. 191 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: It was just there. It was a mix of people 192 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: that are here in past alums and then current contestants, 193 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: and nobody was giving facts. Everybody's just like there's something 194 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: going on. And it was a very eerie, dark cloud 195 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: that was just over the thought of paradise. It was 196 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: very weird, like we couldn't figure out a word other 197 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: than eerie because maybe it was just like a mystery 198 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: and nobody and and it was dark, but nobody knew 199 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: what was going on. Really, even the cast that was there, 200 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: they're unclear as to really necessarily what's going on. And 201 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: then I get home. So I was on a plane 202 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: for five hours, you know, and I didn't have wife 203 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: by the entire time, and what I landed to five 204 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: hours later was completely different stories than what I took 205 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: off with. And it was insane. And then my feelings 206 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: would change would go from like dark and eerie to 207 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: being like, oh, maybe this is all a business misunderstanding 208 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just not a big deal and they'll 209 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: resume next week. Who knows. So I kept going back 210 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: and forth, feeling for different people and having so many 211 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: a big variety of feelings for each individual person they're 212 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: depending on the rumors that were going on. And then 213 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: I think about everybody who's not being able to experience 214 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: the amazing experience that was Paradise for me the past 215 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: two years. And of course, yeah, everybody who works there 216 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: and who they put so much creative energy into this show. 217 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: They love this show. The fans are obsessed with the show. 218 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: The more I talked to fans, the more that they 219 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: don't even care about the bachelor in the Bacheloretta as 220 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: much anymore, and they just wait for Paradise. And every 221 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: fan that I've talked to you in the past forty 222 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: eight hours is so upset that their favorite show is 223 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: probably not happening this year, especially since they've gotten so 224 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: close and attached to these characters and they wanted to 225 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: see them mingle in this atmosphere and this is just 226 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: something that they're going to have to skip out on. Yeah, 227 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: So I guess that actually this brings up and I 228 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: want to give you a chance here. And I know 229 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm um interviewing you, but in a sense, 230 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: I am right. You're a former cast member, You're You're 231 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: somebody that I want to hear from that that I 232 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: think people out there want to hear from. So it 233 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: sounds like, as you talked about this, you you went 234 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: into two things I want to hear more about. One 235 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: is the group thread that people are a part of. 236 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: That it's kind of bouncing information off of each other, 237 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: telling them, telling you and others what they heard, what 238 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: they maybe saw if they were down there during that time, um, 239 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: what they're feeling towards the situation. So you're saying, if 240 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: I'm hearing you correctly, this thread kind of went from 241 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: this dark and and kind of cloudy depiction of what 242 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: was going on in the paradise. So when you landed, 243 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: you kind of felt like, wait, maybe the accusation ends, 244 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: and maybe the worst case scenario that we were hearing 245 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: initially might not be the whole truth. Right. I think 246 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: when the news first broke and we were thinking, wow, 247 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: they just canceled the season or they just stopped filming, 248 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: they halted production. We thought the very very worst. And 249 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: then as I get off this plane and new reports 250 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: are coming out, all unconfirmed, and there's a zillion billion 251 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: stories that have been coming at me, and people are 252 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: asking you to explain them, and I'm like, honestly, it's 253 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: so pec I can't even put it together. And as 254 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: far as I know, that's where that's where it is 255 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: right now, still a whole bunch of unconfirmed stories. So 256 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: at first it seemed like it was going to be 257 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: a simple story, but now there are a zillion different 258 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: versions of it and so many unconfirmed facts, and that's 259 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: where we are now. Still, You're right, and I'm hearing you. 260 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: And and actually I've talked to you many times, and 261 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: I can tell that this is not an easy situation 262 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: for you to talk about. That your thought, your own 263 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: thoughts are kind of scrambled in your own mind. You know, 264 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: as I've talked to you about this, trying to prepare 265 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: for this, this podcast, you know you don't have any 266 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: strong feelings or emotions or opinions on this, because honestly, 267 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: we don't know. And so I want, I just want 268 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: to thank you for even being willing to talk about it. 269 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Because I know how hard this is. You're close to 270 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: the situation, you care about these people, you care about 271 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: this show, you care about the people that work on 272 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: this show, and so everything that you're speaking of is 273 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: coming from from a place of confusion, emotion and for 274 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: all parties involved, everyone sadness, and and so thank you 275 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: for talking about it, um. And and we're gonna try 276 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: to clear up some of this stuff, you know, We're 277 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: gonna try to give Ashley um some some cold hard facts. 278 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to learn a perspective on it 279 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: that maybe I haven't heard yet. I don't know a 280 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: lot about this situation yet. So with that, I want 281 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: to call in Jackie Strauss from the Hollywood Reporter. Hi, guys, 282 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: how's it going. It's confusing, That's how it's going. Yeah, 283 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: I would say so as well over here. UM. So 284 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: we asked Jackie to come on the podcast because the 285 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter UM has done a really good job at 286 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: figuring out or trying to figure out the facts, or 287 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: at least gathering the information to the story. UM. I 288 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: think with this story alone, they feel like it is 289 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: such a massive story that they have to decipher all 290 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: the information process it and make sure that they get 291 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: the story straight. And so Jackie has done a great 292 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: job at that so far. UM. I believe she's going 293 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: to continue to do that, And so I want to 294 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: ask Jackie, Jackie, can you just give us a little 295 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: brief synopsis of what exactly happened Sunday in Paradise. Well, 296 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: thank you for saying that. UM. You know, I do 297 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: think that Chris Harrison had a good point when he 298 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: spoke out today addressing all of the missing from nation 299 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: and information that is out there. And so that's why 300 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: I do, like you said, want to stress that I'm 301 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: really speaking on what has been confirmed and what we've 302 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: been able to report on from what we know, UM. 303 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: And that's why we have not identified the names of 304 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: the contestants that are allegedly involved, UM, and we're not 305 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: going to do so until they speak out or until 306 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: the show identifies them. UM. But what we know about 307 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: what happened on Sunday is that a producer suspected misconduct 308 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: on the set UM and filed a complaint to Warner Brothers, 309 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: which is the production company that produces The Bachelor and 310 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: The Bachelor's thin off UM. And that's how they're instructive 311 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: to handle this situation if it does come up. Uh. 312 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: No charges have been filed and neither of the calf 313 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: mates allegedly involved have spoken out, so right now it's 314 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: an internal investigation from Warner Brothers and this type of 315 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: an investigation can typically take one to two weeks um, 316 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: which is why I believe Chris probably felt the need 317 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: to speak out and tell the fans to be patient 318 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: as they get to the bottom of this, because, you know, 319 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: speaking to are reliable sources, there are a lot of 320 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: differing their differing perspectives, and there's differing viewpoints, and it 321 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: does seem, as you were mentioning before that it's taking 322 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: a lot to get to the bottom of what actually happened. Definitely. 323 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: So as far as confirmed information now, um, as you 324 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: mentioned before, the two the members, I guess we can't 325 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: even say to the members involved in this event, they 326 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: have not been confirmed correct. Correct, And it happened on 327 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: the first day of filming, which would have been a 328 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: week ago Sunday. Yes, that's what we have reported, but 329 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: they didn't shut down immediately. I think a lot of 330 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: people are confused about this, correct, Yeah, it was. It 331 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: appears to be another day of filming when the contestants 332 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: who were involved were approached with the situation, and that's 333 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: when the camera shut down, and from there the investigation began, 334 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: which then went into two days of interviewing the entire cast, 335 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: which continued on for another couple of days of interviewing 336 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: the entire crew. I mean, it's a lot of people 337 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: to get through. Uh, you know, sixteen of the cast 338 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: was officially announced, but as we know now from photos 339 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: getting out, there were more that we're already there. As 340 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: a show obviously welcomes more as it a week's progressed, 341 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: and then there's probably about crew members. So that's a 342 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: lot of interviews to get through in a few days. 343 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: And then by Sunday the cast had their phones back, 344 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: as you guys know, there's no social media devices allowed, 345 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and that's when they were flying home, and most of 346 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: them were back on Monday, including the ones who were 347 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: allegedly involved. So Jackie, can you confer um that just 348 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing here that after the events took place, 349 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: that then every cast member and and also um producers, 350 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: camp whoever on the on the show were then interviewed 351 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: internally or was this just a cast member just normal, 352 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: you know, in the moment interviews talking about what their 353 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: experience was during that day. From what we know at 354 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: that point, the show was shut down, so it wasn't, 355 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, a typical interview. It was more so they're 356 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: interviewing everyone for the internal investigation. And this may be 357 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: very random, but in my own little paradise head, I'm 358 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: wondering where the cast members still communicating and talking while 359 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: in the hotel. That is a good question. I mean, 360 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: we know that they were sequestered, but I'm not sure 361 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: if they were sequestered in groups or if they were sequestered. 362 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: Onom on um to go back then to kind of 363 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: your original statement, and Um, I first want to thank 364 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: you for for not jumping to conclusions are making assumptions 365 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: during this whole story, because as we talked about before 366 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: we we gave you a call, was you know, the 367 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: accusations are at least the rumors of accusations, which we 368 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: now have confirmed through you that there is actually no 369 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: um suit filed. Correct. Correct, So the accusations are, the 370 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: rumors that are being made are are terrible and if 371 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: they're true, then this is incredibly unfortunate for a ton 372 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: of people, And so we I appreciate that you're taking 373 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: your time to process through this and not making any 374 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: assumptions either way good or bad. Um. And so please, 375 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: if you if you've done it so far, and I 376 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: know you'll, you'll continue. If there isn't an answer, don't 377 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: feel like you have to give it to us. We're 378 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: just trying to dissect exactly what we know at this point. Yeah, 379 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: I think, and it's hard to have patients in this situation. 380 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: People want answers, but as you to your point, it's 381 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: very damaging to jump to those answers for many people. 382 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: And so, um, there there's a storyline that I recently 383 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: just found out, UM that I didn't know initially. There 384 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: is a producer involved, and this is possibly where at least, 385 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: as you said, the complaints stem from, which then escalated 386 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: into the pausing of production. Um. So this producer you're saying, 387 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: they made a formal complaint because they were involved in 388 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: the situation. They're they're around the situation during this whole 389 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: experience between the cast members. So we do know that 390 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: there was footage of this incident in question. But what 391 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: I can't say, I guess what I can say, it's 392 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: unclear at the moment, what exactly the producer saw, um, 393 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: Because the producer saw the incident, if they saw the footage, 394 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: that not entirely clear. Um. The only thing that would 395 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: really be accurate to say is that this producer was 396 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: on location and filed a complaint about misconduct on set. 397 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Is it true she didn't shove to work the next day? 398 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: I've heard that floating around. I have not been able 399 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: to confirm that. And so do we have any information 400 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: into the complaint that was made to dissect misconduct at all? 401 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the official statement from Warner Brothers is allegations 402 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: of misconduct on set, So that's really all that we 403 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: have to go on by now, since we haven't seen 404 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: the actual complaints. UM. And that's really kind of the 405 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: big question that is out there right now, and I 406 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: assume that's why it's taking some time to get to 407 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Definitely, do you have any insight 408 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: into how these investigations worked. I mean, I know that's 409 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: probably not the most exciting topic to talk about, but 410 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: I think for the interest of our listeners, and then 411 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: also as you spoke of the time frame to when 412 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: we'll get information um from the situation, is how do 413 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: these investation investigations usually UM go down. Yeah. I mean, well, 414 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: in this case, they were on location, so it would 415 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: be whoever's conducting the investigation from Warner Brothers would fly out, 416 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: so that might have taken a little bit of a 417 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: delay as opposed to if you're filming locally in l 418 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: A or something like that. Um, And at that point 419 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: they take over from there, and it really can take 420 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: at least one to two weeks to get through everything. 421 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean at this point there, they're going to interview 422 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: the cast and the crew basically anyone who was there 423 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: to get all the perspectives. They're going to look at 424 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: the footage. And it's definitely a case by case situation. 425 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean this, this has never happened before on this franchise. 426 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: In fifteen years. Production has never been shut down aside 427 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: from you know, whether or something that was out of 428 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: their council. So it's definitely there's no rule there's not 429 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: a rule book that I could cite on this, but 430 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: these types of investigations will at least take one to 431 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: two weeks. So it's certainly raises a question about even 432 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: if this were settled and and all the parties were happy, 433 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: schedule wise. You know, it seems unlikely that this season 434 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: could be pulled off in time for an August eighth 435 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: air date. It's the late a few weeks. That's yeah, 436 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's kind of what was gonna be. 437 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: My next question is, UM, what kind of impact do 438 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: you foresee or have you heard UM that will occur 439 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: now to the franchise or the show specifically. And I 440 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: think that's the big question. I think that it was 441 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: lucky that the bachelorrette was dark on Monday to help 442 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: create some distance from this UM and unfortunately, I think 443 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: there is a close tie. Even though the shows are separate, 444 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: and even though The bachelorat has already wrapped, um, it's 445 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: airing as this is going on, and as you know, 446 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: it's a cross over audience. So I think that that 447 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: is definitely something that the show is going to have 448 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: to figure out. UM. As you guys know, there's still 449 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: opportunity for The Bachelor to address this. They'll have the 450 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: live after the final rows and the mentel all. So 451 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: it then becomes an option if this is something that 452 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: they're going to address or if they want to keep 453 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: this separate. Yeah, you know, you said it best and 454 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: I think this is something for all of us as 455 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, m viewers of the show to to UM, 456 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: we can assume this. You know, the Bachelor, Bachelor has 457 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: been around for fifteen years. It is a well oiled machine. UM. 458 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: The format of the show really hasn't changed every year 459 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: and every season. UM, production you know clicks along, right. 460 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: They they typically handle situations because they can they can 461 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: foresee them coming. Uh. You know that's including whether or 462 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: issues with travel or maybe you know, issues within the 463 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: show internally. This is something that's new and in some 464 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: insight that that I have that Ashley has because because 465 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: I know she talks the same people. Is that when 466 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: this went down, when when production was paused, people, UM 467 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: that the the production of the show, UM kind of 468 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: was in freak out mode. Nobody knew what to do 469 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: or handle handle this. And I think as we continue 470 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: to get more information, UM, it'll be interesting to see 471 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: how the franchise handles this because either way, you know, 472 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: however this plays out and and and I want to 473 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: hear your opinion on this. However this plays out from 474 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: this point forward, if the worst accusation they're being made 475 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 1: are true, or if maybe all of the rumors being 476 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: spread aren't true. This will have a ripple effect on 477 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: the franchise. We might not foresee it in the near future, 478 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: but the show um will be affected. And just from 479 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: your point of view and the people you've talked to 480 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: um long term, what do you think the impact of 481 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: this will be. Well, we do know that the incident. 482 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: The incident is said to be a sexual encounter between 483 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: two cast neighbors cast members who are intoxicated, so that's 484 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: not a stranger to seeing that on the series. So 485 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: I think moving forward, even when The Bachelor returns, if 486 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: you see two contestants who are intoxicated who are hooking up, 487 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: it might wait differently on the viewer given what they 488 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: know about what happened. And I think back to your point, 489 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: what's really unfortunate and also what Chris suggested is not 490 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: everything out there is true, of course, um, but but 491 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: these Bachelor Nation fans are going to seek out this information. 492 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: They want answers, so they're reading it. So it is 493 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: unfortunate that you know, basically every blog out there is 494 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: citing unverified sources, and there is that question of no 495 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: matter what's true, and no matter what the investigation determined, 496 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: is the damage ality done because this information is out there. Um. 497 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: But on the flip side, there's the question of the 498 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: memory that this audience has, and I mean, this franchise 499 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: has certainly seen controversy controversy before, not to make light 500 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: of this one, but you know, it's a matter of 501 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: will this carry over to when the other seasons are 502 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: airing or is it a short term memory? And people 503 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: are you know, willing to give the new season a 504 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: chance and keep it behind them, which is interesting. I 505 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: think unfortunately for The Bachelorette, there's there is not that distance. 506 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: So that's an interesting to see how this play out, 507 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: especially if this is an ongoing investigation for maybe three 508 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: episodes of The bachelrett It'll be interesting to see how 509 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: the fans react to that. But you know, I do 510 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: think that there's no way that this franchise is emerging completely, 511 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, untarnished by this. Yeah, you're I mean, I 512 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: think you're right, and and it just shows the weight 513 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: and I believe the power to what we say and 514 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: when we say it um as people um our opinions 515 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: do matter, and when somebody has felt wronged, it is 516 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: careful to um when when you when you communicate like 517 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: a situation like this, you have to be careful and 518 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: patient and make sure that you have all of the 519 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: facts in place. And and I'm not That's why I 520 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: said earlier before we called you. And I don't know 521 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: what to say about this. I have zero I honestly 522 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: have zero opinion either way. UM. All I know is 523 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: that the accusatization, the accusations I've heard are incredibly powerful 524 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: and some that should be taken very seriously, um, and 525 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: and some that should be investigated and and made sure 526 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: that we know everything to happen. But I hope, I 527 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: hope that the truth prevails in this and that, however 528 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: this gets spit out worst case scenario, best case scenario 529 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: for the franchise and worst case scenario, best case scenarior 530 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: for the people involved, that the truth prevails and that 531 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: we can hold that opinion. UM. And in light of 532 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: watching this show from here on out, I agree, Yeah, 533 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I agree. I think the most important thing is this 534 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: investigation and letting them do their jobs as tortress as 535 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: that might be for viewers who want answers, I mean, unfortunately, 536 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: we may never get the full answers of what actually happened. UM. 537 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: And that is something viewers will just have to deal 538 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: with when there's something a little bit larger at play. UM. 539 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: One last question, it's it's one that I just heard 540 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: you spoke speak of at the very end. Do we 541 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: have and I don't know long term how much UM 542 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: this add uh to this story, UM, but I need 543 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: to ask it. Do we know do we have confirmed 544 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: accounts that substance substances outside of just your normal drinking 545 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: water were involved in this? Meaning alcohol, alcohol, UM, any anything. 546 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: I guess I think it's pretty safe to say alcohol 547 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: was involved at this point. Okay, UM, I will we'll 548 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: take that for what is Jackie, thank you again for 549 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: coming on with us. We uh, we will be following 550 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: you UM as this investation continues, UM, and please uh 551 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: continue to tell us the truth. UM. I know you 552 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: will collect the facts and we will trust you, UM 553 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: for everything that you report on from here now. Well, yes, 554 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. It's great to speak 555 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: with you guys. Hold fully, you know, under better circumstances 556 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: next time. But thanks for having me on. All right, 557 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: Jackie Strouth from The Hollywood Reporter. We appreciate it, and 558 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining the Ben and Ashley 559 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: almost famous podcast on a high radio Guys. I feel 560 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of fans are probably going to listen 561 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: to that interview and they're probably gonna think, oh, wow, 562 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: well I kind of already knew that stuff. That's pretty vague. 563 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: But like the truth is the information, the hardcore facts 564 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: we have right now, they are vague and they are basic. Yeah, 565 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's it. I mean we're you know, we 566 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: we literally threw together a UM podcast in a day. 567 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: It really mean a couple of hours even based on 568 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: facts that are based on vague facts. We just don't 569 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: know anything, and and we want to tell all the 570 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: viewers out there what's happening because this is a very 571 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: serious situation. You know, we we don't want to make 572 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: d of this. It's it's kind of hard to hold 573 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: a bachelor or bachelor at podcast UM when this is this, 574 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: this situation exists because it's this feels heavy, if it 575 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: feels cloudy. You know, a show that we watched to 576 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: to laugh at people, to laugh with people, to fall 577 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: find to watch people fall in love now feels like, um, 578 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: I guess at least personally, like I want to make 579 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: sure that all these this investigation gets cleared up before 580 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: I can become really a fan again. And that's too 581 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: bad if you know, it's it's just it's clouds um, 582 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: a situation that we just don't know a lot about. 583 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: I completely agree. My sister asked before, she was like, 584 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: do you want to watch episodes so whatever of the 585 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: Bachelorette later? And I'm like, wait, what Bachelorrette? Right now? 586 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: I can't even think about the bat Slorette. Um. Yeah, 587 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: I feel like you just can't really think about what's 588 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: going on in the franchise until this is all cleared up, definitely, 589 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: And you know I do. I want to again give 590 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Jackie Strousson, the Hollywood reporter, some credit here. She didn't say, 591 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: she didn't say anything to make a story. You know, 592 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: she really didn't say a lot. But I felt like 593 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: she said exactly what she knows and and I think 594 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: we should probably have her back on as this continues 595 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: to play out, because she does on like somebody at 596 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: least from talking to her today, that we can trust, 597 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: because she's not out here to make some claim that's 598 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: going to get her a headline. Um, and I guess 599 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: more followers on Twitter. What she did was just explain, 600 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: this is what I know. This is what we have confirmed. 601 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: Everything else at this point is here say exactly, We're 602 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: not here to make drama. We're not here to make 603 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: more drama. So actually have a couple of questions. You 604 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: do you have more questions? Okay? Um, I asked Jackie 605 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: the same thing, and I want to hear your opinion. 606 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, we the Bachelor and Bachelor will be affected 607 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: by this situation. Now, however this plays out. We know 608 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: that now right this this is clouded, this situation, and UM, 609 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: that's that's just the truth and how we work as 610 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: a society. What is your opinion of how this will 611 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: affect the Bachelor and Bachelor long term? Given that, um, 612 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: this investigation is not completed yet. Well, let's see. I 613 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: feel like I don't know if if we talk about 614 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: ratings here, we're talking about the quality of like just 615 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: the quality of people, the quality of the production, both 616 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: what I mean honestly, what I'm I'm just wondering actually, 617 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: like what like is it going to affect the ratings, 618 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: which means it affects how many people are tuning in? Um, 619 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: this is it going to affect how it's produced and 620 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: the quality of production? Is it gonna I guess, you know, 621 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: is it going to affect Another question to kind of 622 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: make this a little more detail, Is it gonna affect 623 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: how much we see in each relationship? Are we going 624 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: to not see the physical aspects of somebody's relationship on 625 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: the show now because of a situation like this. I 626 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: think there's a couple of things that will be changed. One, 627 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't think the ratings are going to be affected 628 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: by this. If anything, this is such a huge story 629 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: that people who are in Bachelor fans are hearing so 630 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: much about The Bachelor and they may get, you know, 631 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: curious about what this whole thing is about, So they're 632 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: probably going to end up watching it and maybe even 633 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: getting a bigger audience from this. I think that as 634 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: far as production goes, drinking is probably going to be 635 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: more controlled. They're probably gonna have a closer eye, and 636 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna cut people off and they feel like 637 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: it's time to be cut off. Um. Beyond that. Beyond that, 638 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: I also think that there's probably gonna be like younger kids, 639 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: parents of younger kids, you know, in their early teens 640 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: their teens, they're probably gonna be a little more careful 641 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: about what they're watching on TV and whether this is 642 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: a show that they should be watching in general. Yeah, Um, 643 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: I do think that people will be paying more attention 644 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: now to what's shown on this show that this this 645 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: uh is maybe you know, like I said, a lot 646 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: of these people that work on the show, I feel 647 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: like our family to me. They've they've been supportive of 648 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: me always. Uh. They were supportive of me through my 649 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: situation the Bachelrette, to me being the Bachelor, um post Bachelor, 650 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: and then in my relationship, and then post my relationship, 651 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: they have been nothing um. From executive producers to um 652 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: founders of the show, to Chris Harrison, who I consider 653 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: a friend of mine too, you know, smaller producers on 654 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: the show and are those the camera and audio like. 655 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: Those people have entered into my life in a way 656 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: that I will always be grateful for. And the part 657 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: that that I guess coming out of this that worries me, 658 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: um is that these people, the people that we don't 659 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: see at the time, might be affected the most. I 660 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: also want to clarify and say that never in my 661 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: three seasons did I ever see anything happen that should 662 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: have been stopped that I thought was morally wrong. M Well, 663 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: you know, The truth is is that we don't know 664 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot um. Ashley and I are coming to all 665 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: of you today to just kind of talk through this 666 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: with you. I mean, honestly, I don't even know how 667 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: this podcast will will sound. It's not it was thrown 668 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: together to Actually, I just wanted to get together talk 669 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: through this with you because we felt like, if we're 670 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: gonna do a Bachelor Bachelotte lifestyle pot cast, this is 671 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: obviously important. We can't ignore the situation that is existing. 672 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: And as we mentioned before, I want to be clear, 673 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: Ashley and I have zero opinions or comments really on 674 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: the matter. We just have emotion around the matter. We 675 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: have feelings associated with the show, associated with the people involved, 676 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: associated um with the people that work on the show. 677 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: We just have emotion. And so we sit here today 678 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: as fans, as as participants, participants in this franchise, very 679 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: similar to how all the viewers out there, participants in 680 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: this franchise saying, Hey, we're gonna be patient, we're gonna 681 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: take our time, we're gonna listen to the facts come 682 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,959 Speaker 1: through because we don't know what happened and we would 683 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: hate to jump to any conclusions, and we encourage we 684 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: encourage anybody out there to to hesitate to jump to 685 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: any conclusions. And if the worst case scenario is the truth, 686 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: then we will respond to that accordingly. If the worst 687 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: case scenario is not to truth, then we will respond 688 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: to that accordingly. But until we know that, we cannot 689 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: form an opinion. All we can ask is that in 690 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: a situation like this, that affects so many people, and 691 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: I don't want to undermine that that this affects so 692 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: many people, most importantly the people that are actually involved 693 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: in this event, This will affect them. No matter what, 694 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: we ask that the truth prevails. And so with that, 695 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: thank you for listening. 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