1 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to cutting the distance. We are about a 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: month and a half away from September, which means archery 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: l cunting the rut some of us that love to 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: hunt we live all year for. And today I'm gonna 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: jump into a few listener questions, but I really wanted 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: to go over some real life situations that I've been 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: in some call ins, what has worked, how we've adapted, 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: and how we've made it, you know, happen. So I 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: think I've got five or six different scenarios that I 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: laid out and things that kind of stick out in 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: my mind that really kind of helped make those situations work. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: And as I went through and built this list, I 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: was kind of surprised that there's not a lot of repetition. 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: So what it really kind of leads to is you 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: need to be an elk hunter that can adapt. You 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: need to be an elk hunter that has a lot 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: of tools in the tool you know. I always kind 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: of use the analogy of a guy that builds your house. 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: He's got you know, twenty different saws. He's got a 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: circular saw, a radio alarm saw, you know, a resip saw. 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: He's got all of these things. 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: That cut boards, but they're all used in certain situations 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: right to make his job easier. You know the same 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: thing with a hammer, a level. There's so many different 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: tools and right ways to do it to be efficient 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: versus tools that can get it done, but they're not 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: going to be as efficient. They're not gonna be as effective, 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: and so that's kind of how I relate that and 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: going through and building this list, I was kind of surprised. 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: I went back and there were some common themes and 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: things that worked on multiple ones, but like the things 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: that I consider to be the main contributing factors of 33 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: the success on that specific hunt didn't really overlap. So 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm excited to jump into these you know, six or 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: seven scenarios and kind of lay out what I think 36 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: worked there. But first off, we're going to jump into 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: some listener questions. And I was able to go down 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: to New Mexico last week and do a calling clinic 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: and an elk hunting educational for some guides and outfitters, 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: and these are the questions that they brought to me 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: during the seminar, so I'm just gonna kind of repeat them. 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: I know that it's probably some things we've talked about before, 43 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: but figure it's worth covering again. With elk season just 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: a month and a half around the corner. Today's question 45 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: and answer session is brought to you by Pendleton Whiskey. 46 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: So the first question we have what calls do I 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: personally carry on me for an l cunt And it's 48 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: going to be the same on almost every out count. 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: I will change the number of diaphragms depending on whether 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: it's a spike out, overnight, multi day trip, but for 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: me it's the same thing every time. I will take 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: a Beegle tube right now. I've been using the metal 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Beagle tube on all of my hunt, so I'll have 54 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: one Bagle tube. 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: I will have. 56 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: An easy estress or a Minix one or the other. 57 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I've been carrying the Minix so an external cow call. 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: I will carry the Easy Sucker in my binal harness. 59 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: I don't use it all the time, but it's a 60 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: great finishing call and the reason you know, some people 61 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: may say, well why do you carry the Minix? Why 62 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: do you carry the Easy Sucker. I'm a firm believer 63 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: that at certain times, on certain elk with certain personalities, 64 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: you need to have a call that gets them going 65 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: there may be times where they will answer only one 66 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: of those and not your diaphragms, or one or the 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: other and not the other, you know, And so I 68 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: carry those, and then I carry typically pink, you know, 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: my pink signature diaphragm. I also carry a green amp 70 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: and then at times I will carry some pitch black two's. Now, 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: if I'm going on a day hunt, I can usually 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: get by with. You know, I'll grab two pinks and 73 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: a green because I'm inevitably going to lose one somewhere 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: through the hunt. Typically don't lose one every day, but 75 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, I want to back up, and then I 76 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: also want to be able to change it up. So 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, two pinks and a green will typically get 78 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: me through a day. You know, the calls are going 79 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: to hold up longer than that, but that's just to 80 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: make sure I've gotten an extra and don't you know, 81 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: have enough. Now, if I'm going on a backpack hunt, 82 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I've got the liberty I'm saying, this 83 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: is the guy that gets to make the calls. Before 84 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I leave you, I may grab five or six, you know, 85 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: keep three in my in my pouch or in my 86 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: pdo and then I'll maybe keep a couple tucked away 87 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: in my pack so they're separate in case something gets 88 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: lost and I lose all three of them, all six 89 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: of them are in the same spot, so I'll usually 90 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: tuck those away in my pack, in a in a 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: pocket somewhere. 92 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: So that's it. 93 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm not the guy that has, you know, seven land 94 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: yards around my neck with a bunch of different externals 95 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: and this and that. I can do it all with 96 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: a few diaphragms, a Beagle tube, a Mini X, and 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: an easy sucker, So that's what I carry. The second question, 98 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: what's in my opinion or in your opinion, is how 99 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: the question was, you know, proposed, is what's the single 100 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: most important thing that leads to success? And I had 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: to think about this for a while, and you know, 102 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: being a skilled hunter and all of that is important 103 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: understanding elk, but let's say everybody has a basic understanding 104 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: of that. I honestly feel the single most important thing 105 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: that leads to success is time in the field. You know, 106 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm very fortunate, blessed to get to spend you know, 107 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: thirty forty five days chasing ELK. And I've been in 108 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: some great units where It's happened very quick. I've been 109 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: in great units where sometimes the wind isn't helping, the 110 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: wind won't sit still. No matter what I do right, 111 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: no matter how much work and effort I'm putting in, 112 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: I still come up short. And so sometimes on those 113 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: hunts you need time on your side just before things 114 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: click and kind of come together. So yeah, I honestly 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: believe that the majority of guys out there are good 116 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: enough woodsmen, understand elk enough that even just by being 117 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: out there a lot, you're eventually going to stumble into 118 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: some success. Regardless of whether you really truly know what 119 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: you're doing or not, you'll eventually find some success by time. 120 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: And to piggyback onto that, I feel that people will 121 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: sometimes wait for premium tags or premium opportunity. You know, 122 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: maybe they've been saving points in a Western state, or 123 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, they go pay to going in a Mexico 124 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: guide a hunt or a Colorado guided hunt, or wherever 125 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: it may be. 126 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: I feel that being used. 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: To the nerves, feeling what those nerves feel like, go 128 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: out there and practice on cow elk, you know, pick 129 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: up a kwalk tag and go out there and experience 130 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: or experience what works, experience what doesn't work. Go out 131 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: there and have a tag that you're more than excited 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: to shoot a raghorn or a spike or whatever it 133 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: may be. Get the experience, Feel what the adrenaline is like. 134 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: See if you can keep your stuff together on a 135 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: call in So in addition to time, I also feel 136 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: that you should have time under elk, if that makes 137 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: any sense. You should have time with elk at twenty 138 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: thirty forty yards. You should have time trying to call 139 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: elk and and see why it doesn't always work like 140 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: you think it may be. Give yourself time to maybe 141 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: when it's not as important. Hey, I'm gonna bugle with 142 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: this bowl and see what his reaction is. Uh in 143 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: the in the right time. So time in the field, 144 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: and then time prior to special hunts or premium hunts, 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: so that you are ready for that opportunity and can 146 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: take the most of that. I think people a lot 147 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: of people get hung up on, you know, one or 148 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: two big elk hunts in their their life and they're 149 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: not necessarily ready for it. So spend some time out 150 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: in the field with the elk during the rut. See 151 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: what you can get away with, See what movement, you 152 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: can get away with, see what works cows? You know, 153 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: cows sounds, bowl sounds, can you spot in stockable? 154 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: Can you get away with? Draw on your bow? 155 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: And then you know, all of these things are are 156 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: much better to figure out during a a you know, 157 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: and I don't want to say a less less important hunt, 158 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: but a hunt that maybe doesn't mean as much to 159 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: you or or you know, all the hunts mean mean 160 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot to me. I want to kill every you know, 161 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: elk that I've got a chance to so I can 162 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: fill my freezer. But you know, you know what I mean, 163 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: not such a premium hunt. Go out and practice and 164 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: get used to all this stuff. The third question I 165 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: got it camp, was what is the biggest mistake when 166 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: calling elk in? And I learned this the hard way, 167 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, growing up seventeen eighteen, the Internet wasn't really 168 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: a big thing. 169 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: I didn't have a you know. 170 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: I got to watch the Primos videos, you know, the 171 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: Truth series and see how they did it, but it 172 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: didn't really translate to the way things were working here 173 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: in western Washington. When I was calling Roosevelt bulls in, 174 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't set a collar up, you know, one hundred 175 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: yards back and have bulls come running by me. I 176 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: couldn't do these things I had. I had to change 177 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: and make some changes to my system. So for a 178 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: long time I would I could get bulls to be, 179 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, bugle fairly, fairly routinely, you know, every morning 180 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: we were on multiple bulls. But what I found is 181 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: that I would, you know, maybe let's say I'm three 182 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: or four undred yards away from a bowl. I bugle 183 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: and I get him to answer two or three times, like, 184 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: all right, he's there. I think I know where he's at. 185 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I'll maybe walk towards him one hundred yards, whether it's 186 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: down the ridge or in the timber or through a 187 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: clear cut, whatever it may be. And I bugle again, 188 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: and he may be in this spot, so I feel 189 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: like I'm gaining ground on him. And then I'll move 190 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: another fifty hundred yards and I'll buggle again. Because I'm 191 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: unsure of my decisions I'm making. I want to check 192 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: the wind again, I want to make sure he's still there. Well, 193 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: this time, he's now one hundred yards further away, so 194 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: we're the same distance that we just were. I'm not 195 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: gaining any ground on him, or sometimes he will gain 196 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: more ground on you. He might be one hundred and 197 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: fifty yards further away, and you're trying to figure this out, 198 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: and it goes back to that idea that these. 199 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: Bulls are there to. 200 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: One, you know, live and number two, you know, experience, recreate, 201 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: you know, make new elk. So between those two things 202 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: and we throw in the idea that we're trying to 203 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: reverse nature a little bit. You know, in my opinion, 204 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: one of the reasons bulls are so much louder than 205 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: cows and you can hear him for so long is 206 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: it's his way to announce to other cows or elkin area, 207 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: like I'm down here. Like if you're a cow and 208 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: you're interested, come on down here. So, whether we're beagle 209 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: and our cow calling, that bull wants to maintain his 210 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: cow so he can breed them, and he wants to 211 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: stay alive, so he's not going to necessarily leave them 212 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: to come to your location. But what he is doing 213 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: is rounding up his cows and pushing them away from 214 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: the incoming bowl. So if you're bugling, you know, I 215 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: would say you're going to have a better opportunity to 216 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: col call your way in. Then you are to bugle 217 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: your way in. So from my experience and my experience alone, 218 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: the biggest mistake I ever made when calling ELK was 219 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: to bugle my way into a bowl. Let him know 220 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm coming, Announce I'm coming, Announce the direction I'm coming 221 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: in from. And what I did for days on end 222 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: earlier in my archery, you know, hunting, you know, days 223 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: I would play cat and mouse all morning, you know, 224 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: following these out to bed, or i'd bump them through 225 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: their beds, or I would change the direction they wanted 226 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: to go to bed, and I would I can remember 227 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: the four or five long hour cat and mouse. I 228 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: could never get any closer, you know. At times the 229 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: closest I would get is when I would elect to 230 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: be quiet, move in, try to get closer, bugle again, 231 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: and then we'd start the game all over. So try 232 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: to as much as you can, refrain from talking your 233 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: way into a bowl, at least bugling your way into 234 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: a bowl. Try to make your best guests on where 235 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: they're at, and try not to make another peep until 236 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: you get in there. You know, if the wind's right, 237 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: you make a good guess. Be aware of satellite bowls 238 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: as you approach, but you do all that right, you 239 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: should be able to get close enough to these things 240 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 1: to call them in without calling your way in and 241 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: keeping them out ahead of you. So that kind of 242 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: wraps it up for the Q and A today. If 243 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: you have questions for me, for Dirk, for any of 244 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: our guests that we have on here, feel free to 245 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: email them to us at CTD at phelpsgame Calls dot com, 246 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,359 Speaker 1: or send us a message on social media Instagram, Facebook, 247 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: and we'll do our best to get them plugged into 248 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: the podcast. We really appreciate all your listener questions. So 249 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: the bulk of today's podcast, I just went through and 250 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: kind of looked at past calling things that worked well, 251 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: things that worked you know, efficiently and effect actively, and 252 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to walk through those. And 253 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: some of you may have you seen some of these 254 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: videos or I would, you know, not to give myself 255 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: or our video is a shameless plug, but maybe go 256 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: back and try to find some of these and you 257 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: can see where some of these things I will talk 258 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: about you can see kind of happen, you know, on video, 259 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: and it may make a little bit more sense. So 260 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I drew a big horns elk tag and Wyoming. 261 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: For those of you that remember it better by me 262 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: losing the bet to Dirk and dressing up as whole Cogan, 263 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: it is that hunt. So one thing I wanted to 264 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: point out, you know, to start that one right off, 265 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: we did some scouting. We were there a day and 266 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: a half before we were able to get some high ground, 267 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: and we just watched a lot of elk. And this 268 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: is kind of a you know, something that should make sense, 269 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: but some people don't fully understand it. At night we 270 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: would watch the night before the opener. We would watch 271 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: elk come out of some timber for the first time 272 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: that evening. And they may go through a meadow, back 273 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: through some timber, back through a meadow, back through some timber, 274 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: but keep in mind the timber that they originally came 275 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: out of. Try to see does that make good betting? 276 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Is that where they were betted? And ninety nine percent 277 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: of the time the timber that they originally come out of, 278 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, let's say at six o'clock at night when 279 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: the shadows hit, is likely the timber that they are 280 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: going to go back into the following morning. So that 281 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: day we watched the target bowl that you know, I 282 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: was excited to go try to get a chance at 283 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: come out of some timber. We caught them what we 284 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: feel was in the first meadow, and then we kind 285 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: of followed them for the rest of the night. We 286 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: kind of watched them go through some meadows, through some 287 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, draws, through some meadows. But the next morning 288 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: we were to go back and we were able to 289 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: catch them back in that timber. Now things didn't work. 290 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: We had some wind swirl do some things, but those 291 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: elk and the herd that we wanted to be on 292 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: with the bowl we wanted to be on, came back 293 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: in that timber. So it seems like maybe a you know, 294 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: an obvious you know, outcome, But pay attention to that 295 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: timber they came out of and don't get caught maybe 296 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: chasing beagles way off where they want to be, Like 297 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, I talked a lot at that 298 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: seminar in New Mexico. If you can kill this bull 299 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: or have a chance to set up on a bowl, 300 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: whether it's an ambush and call a little bit, if 301 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: you can get in front of that bowl and not 302 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: make him do what he doesn't want to do, it's 303 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: going to be a lot easier to call that bowl. 304 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: In another thing we did on that twenty nineteen Wyoming hunt, 305 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: we stayed on the mountain all day. Do not, if possible, 306 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: do not talk yourself into going back to the truck, 307 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: going back to the side by side, going back to camp. 308 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Let everybody else on the mountain go back to camp 309 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: and make a sandwich and get a nap, whatever it 310 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: may be. By staying on the mountain all day, we 311 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: were able to be in position. We were able to 312 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: have the wind right when we were ready. We kind 313 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: of had ideas where Ell could win, and it put 314 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: us in the game, you know. On that hunt specifically, 315 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: we had people watching us. They didn't hunt the night, 316 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: they hunted the morning, and then they watched us through 317 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: a spotting scope that night. We were able to talk 318 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: to them. While they were at camp, we were up 319 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: on the mountain still hunting. So we stayed on the 320 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: mountain all day put us in position we were. 321 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: We were very close. 322 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: To getting a bowl to Bogle that evening when the 323 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: when the shadows dropped and the bulls got active, we 324 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: were we were right in the wheelhouse and I feel 325 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: if we had to, if we would have went back 326 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: to camp, like crossed our minds multiple times. We would 327 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: have never been able to get on on the bowl 328 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: we ended up taking. So we went, we closed ground. 329 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: We were aggressive, but one thing we waited was for 330 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of that prime time. We didn't we didn't force 331 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: the issue during the heat of the day. We didn't 332 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: write an area off because we were We didn't get 333 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: a beagle at three o'clock in the morning, so we 334 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: sat and it was tough. We sat until the you know, 335 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: the shade shade got to a point the weather had 336 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: cooled down, and then we started to check kind of truth, 337 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: check patches of timber and draws to see if elk 338 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: were in there. And when we did get beagles, we 339 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: closed the ground and we were very aggressive. We used 340 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: the terrain, we used the the vegetation, and we closed 341 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: ground very very quickly, because especially at night, you only 342 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: know where the bull's at when he bugles. If he 343 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: doesn't bugle for two or three minutes, he might be 344 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: one hundred two hundred, three hundred five hundred yards off 345 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: the next time. 346 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: You hear him. 347 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: So if the train of vegetation allows take that information 348 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: for what it's worth, close distance very very fast and 349 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: see if you can, you know, get in the game 350 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: at that point instead of trying to trail him and 351 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, make the game happen somewhere else. So during 352 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: this call in, we get very very close, maybe a 353 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: little bit too close. We get up to a spruce 354 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: tree and it's one of those trees that you can 355 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of see through a little bit. And I realized 356 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: when we had got there we kind of hugged the 357 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: upper edge of the timber. When we got there, I 358 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: could see the elk on the other side at about 359 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: forty yards away, kind of through the trees. He had 360 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: never really picked us off. Well, what happens during this 361 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: cal in? We're there for about ten minutes, call him 362 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: back and forth forty yards away with a you know, 363 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm right up against this rose tree and he's, you know, 364 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: forty yards on the back side of it. We're getting more, 365 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're picking up the argument. You know, 366 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: he's screaming, I'm screaming. We're going back and forth, and 367 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this bowl barks at me. And 368 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: I've said it before. I don't get too caught up 369 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: on language and what this sound means or that sound means, 370 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: but I think it's pretty universal that when a bark happens, 371 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: and some people will say alarm bark versus a nervous grunt, 372 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: nervous bark, whatever it may be, it's very very tough 373 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: tough to differentiate. Yeah, the elk may act different, but 374 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: in this instance it was very clear. It was basically 375 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: a hey, show yourself type of a sound. Right, we've 376 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: all agreed when when an elk barks, typically they've seen 377 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: something or heard something that they don't trust, and by barking, 378 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: they will typically, you know, say show yourself. And in 379 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Colorado a lot of times and some other places we 380 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: hear some bulls tend to during a call in when 381 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: you bring him in, they will bark, scream or bark 382 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: chuckle at you. And you know it's like, hey, I've 383 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: came two hundred yards to you. I should be able 384 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: to see you. Now, come and show yourself sort of 385 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: a sound. So the bark, if you've watched that hunt, 386 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: I bark back immediately. Now, I did have my bugle 387 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: tube kind of down between my knees, kind of in 388 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: its resting place. I didn't have a whole lot of time, 389 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: so I just bark with my voice with a diaphragm, 390 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: and just like clockwork, that bowl instantly puts its head 391 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: down and walks about ten yards to the right out 392 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: in the wide open wine at full draw. So being 393 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: able to bark at that bowl kind of saved it. 394 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: And it was kind of in my response. I was like, hey, 395 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: you show yourself. I've been here for the same amount 396 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: of time. Show yourself. I'm not showing myself sort of 397 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: a response. And that bowl was able to come out 398 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: to you know, thirty thirty thirty two yards, and I 399 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: was able to make a great shot on that bowl. 400 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: And the last thing on that is we continued to call. 401 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: We didn't get too crazy and pump fists and yell 402 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: and scream. 403 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: I was able to call that bull back. 404 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: Why the first shot was definitely going to kill it 405 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: very quickly and effectively. He came back in and I 406 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: was able to put another shot, you know, high and 407 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: back in the lungs, probably only caught one lung, but 408 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: I was able to be quiet and get an additional 409 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: arrow into that bowl. So, you know, don't go crazy 410 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: after a shot, don't scream and yell at your buddies 411 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: and fist bump, you know, stay calm, try to call 412 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: the bowl back in. You always call after a shot 413 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: to try to slow the thing down in case it 414 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened, reduce that blood trail length. But 415 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: that was kind of the the factors that went into 416 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: that being a successful hunt. So the following year, twenty twenty, 417 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: we went to New Mexico, myself, Dirk, and John and 418 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: I had come off of a different New Mexico hunt 419 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: with Ranelda that year. This was a no, no, no 420 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: excuse me, I got my years mixed up. Twenty twenty 421 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: New Mexico. This is a hunt where me, Dirk, and 422 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: John had tags and we had hunts before that. So 423 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: we get there and we didn't really have any time 424 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: to scout. We had we had to figure out what 425 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: was going on in that area, you know, where the 426 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: elk we're at and how they were going to adapt. 427 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: So we started to kind of get our butts kicked 428 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: a little bit there. We we were, you know, chasing elk. 429 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: We couldn't couldn't get in. You know, we'd start them 430 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: on water and started paying attention to tracks on the ground. 431 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: You know, they're coming in to water midday, the bulls 432 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: are coming in midday. We started to cover different ground, 433 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: just trying to find out where the elk we're at 434 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: and where the elk wanted to be. So I felt like, 435 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: right off the bat, we wanted to try to hunt 436 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: some areas that maybe looked good on on X or 437 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: areas in the past that had been good. We had 438 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: to adapt, and we found ourselves in areas that we 439 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: typically hadn't hunted before or didn't think about hunting to 440 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: go find the elk. And so, you know, right off 441 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: the bat, we adapted. We It's kind of funny if 442 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: you watch this video. This was filmed for a loophold project. 443 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: We just we were getting our tails kicked. John had 444 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: killed a bull on the evening of night four, and 445 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: then I think we were going into like the morning 446 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: of the eighth, the eighth morning of the hunt. Me 447 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: and Dirk still hadn't killed a boy yet. And Dirk 448 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: was kind of joking over there. He was giving you know, 449 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: his if this was his first elkount ever, he might 450 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: just hang it up and not every el kind again. 451 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: Because we were just getting our tails kicked. He's like, 452 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: this is the way it always is, you know, kind 453 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: of having a little bit of a pity party, and 454 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: falling in it there, which was we were all in that. 455 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: He was just the only one to say it. You know, 456 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: he kind of looked a little bit sad. He had 457 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: a bloody nose and had some toilet paper in there 458 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: and kind of explaining how this elk count was as 459 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: miserable as it could be. But we were still out there, right, 460 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: We weren't back at camp, we weren't at the truck. 461 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: We were still trying to find a bowl to get going. 462 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: And as we were midday going to head back to 463 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: the side by sides to go try a new area, 464 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: we did hear a faint bugle, And so don't ever 465 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: give up out there, Like being in the woods, having 466 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 1: times in the woods is always going to uh, you know, 467 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: it's always going to have better success than being back 468 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: at camp. You know, ninety nine point nine percent time 469 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: nless you have a bullwalk through camp. Being in the woods, 470 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: being in the game is more important than being back 471 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: at camp. You're going to find success that way. So 472 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: when we got there to where we heard the bull bugle, 473 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: it was kind of a ret fest. And so there's 474 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: a few different sayings. You like, win in Rome, do 475 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: what the Romans do. So these bulls were cranking. We 476 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: had spotted a bowl across the way kind of chasing cows. 477 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: You could hear a couple of different bulls over the 478 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: ridge going crazy, so it was obvious you had some 479 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: bulls or herds that had come together or satellite bulls 480 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: that had come together and were really kind of causing 481 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: some havoc. So we wanted to join the party. We 482 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: started calling a lot. We were biggling very aggressively, We 483 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: were cow calling very aggressively. And that bull we spotted, 484 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: we originally called into about twenty five yards a Dirk, 485 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: but on that one, that bowl came in so silent 486 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: after he beagled, We had no idea he was there. 487 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: And the lighting was real, real bad, and I think 488 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Dirk ended up getting picked off. But we knew at 489 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: that time that that bowl may have ran back over there, 490 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: but those other bulls didn't know what was going on, right, 491 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: the other two bulls that we could hear, So as 492 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: soon as that bull crested back over the ridge, we 493 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: took off down and after him we got up over there. 494 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: And this setup was one of my favorite because you 495 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: don't ever want to set up where the elk that 496 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: you're calling into should be able to see your location. 497 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: So this this ridge had a pretty good role in it, 498 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: and I was able to kind of crawl over the 499 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: roll and get set up just on the backs or 500 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: the front side of the ridge, and Dirk was able 501 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: to stay on the back side of the ridge. So 502 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: for an elk, in order for an elk to be 503 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: able to see, you know, where Dirk's calling location was from, 504 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: it was going to have to get up on top 505 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: of that ridge, walk by me and get up over 506 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: that so it could you know, get the visual on that. 507 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: So that elk had no idea. I had crawled forward 508 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: and got set up under a juniper and Dirk was 509 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: in twenty yards behind me, just over a roll, which 510 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: was an ideal setup. We we eliminated all chances of 511 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: hanging up on that setup if that bowl was to 512 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: come into Dirk, who was the caller of the bowl. 513 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, amazing setup kept the shot distances really tight. 514 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be twenty to thirty 515 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: and it worked out excellent. And so take a little 516 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: more time on your setup if you can, you know, 517 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: in instances like that where it works just perfect, you know, otherwise, 518 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: use that terrain, use that vegetation. Make sure when the 519 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: bull gets the thirty forty yards you've got a chance 520 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: to shoot, and you're not going to force that thing 521 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: to hang up. You know, don't set up across from 522 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: a meadow that's one hundred yards wide because you're likely 523 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: never going to kill that bowld archie equipment. It's going 524 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: to hang up at the edge of the meadow. Look 525 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: for the cow that should be at the other edge 526 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: of the meadow, and you know it's going to be. 527 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: It's just not going to work out. The other thing 528 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: to note on that hunt, we killed bowls three different ways. 529 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: John killed his sitting over water. We killed mine with 530 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: aggressive bugling like herd bull tactics challenged bugles, and then 531 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: Dirk killed his bowl a day later with just natural 532 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: betted herd sounds. We spread out over a ridge. We 533 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: kind of followed a herd to bed with what we 534 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: assumed was a herd bowl and a satellite bowl. We 535 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: got on an adjacent ridge to him and we spread 536 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: out one hundred and fifty yards and it was just 537 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: calf call, cow call, lazy betted bugle, calf call, cow call, 538 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: cow call, calf call. You know, we were, and it 539 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: wasn't quick. It was, you know, maybe one or two 540 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: calls every five minutes. We were just being very natural. 541 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: We weren't trying to call elk. We were just trying 542 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: to make it sound like a herd had come in 543 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: and bedded on the knob next to him, and you 544 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: could hear the bull eventually get up out of its 545 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: bed and bugle, a little more active bugle, and then 546 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: we could hear the bull slowly, you know, come across 547 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: the drainage. She was bugling kind of on his way in. 548 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: We had to do a little bit of a hopscotch. 549 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: Dirk was on the opposite end of the ridge and 550 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: we had to get him to the side of the 551 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: ridge that the bulls to come in on, and we 552 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: were able to kill that bowl. So don't don't be 553 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: stuck with happened to always be aggressive, you know, sit 554 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: in water. 555 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 2: There's multiple ways. 556 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: To find success on some of these hunts, and on 557 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: that hunt, we used them all. My twenty twelve Washington Bowl, 558 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: we had fire danger here, industrial timberlands kind of shut down. 559 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to just go try a new area. 560 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: I wish I could say I knew this bowl was here. 561 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: We had scouted him, but we didn't. I had no 562 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: idea that that bowl lived in that area. We had 563 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: we had scouted it before on a very foggy day 564 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: and the only thing I had to go off of 565 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: was tracks in the trails. 566 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: Like. 567 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: We never seen any elk on that scouting mission, but 568 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: we just went and tried it, like, hey, it's there. 569 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: We didn't see anybody at the trailhead. We went and 570 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: tried it. So don't be afraid to try a new area. 571 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes some of my best hunting spots are you know, 572 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: me throwing a dart at a dart board, abandoning what 573 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: maybe has worked in the past. Let's go find something new. 574 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: And that's one of my favorite things about hunting, is 575 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: just finding new areas that produce or can produce, you know, 576 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: in the future. On this one, I shouldn't have been 577 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: the one to kill this bull. I called in that 578 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: big bull the day before my buddy Derek had you know, 579 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: we we had. I had sent him down to set 580 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: up where I thought the bull was gonna come in 581 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: and didn't realize he had kind of set up behind 582 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: kind of like an iron wall of high mountain cedar. 583 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: It was like an impossible penetrable wall, and I called 584 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: that bowl into about fifteen yards from him, about sixty 585 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: yards from me. So on that setup, if you would 586 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: have set up with his back to that wall or 587 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: at the last of those cedar trees, he would have 588 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: had a chip shot. So you know, always make sure 589 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: when you set up set up in front of or 590 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: to the side of a tree. I prefer to be 591 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: standing if possible, you know, my left shoulder facing to 592 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: where I think that bowl will go, and then be 593 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: able to shoot as much of the shooting lanes as 594 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: possible without tucking in behind something. The other thing on 595 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: this this hunt was persistence, right we I ended up 596 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: missing that bowl the day before. I did shoot at 597 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: it from what I thought was fifty five yards away 598 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: and it was actually forty five. I shot right over 599 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: its back. But we were persistent. We went back in there. 600 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: We never we went back there that night. We went 601 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: back there the following morning when I killed it. Don't 602 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: don't become frustrated. You know, we had other people show 603 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: up that that evening before, and we just kind of 604 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: held tight. We we needed to stay with that bowl. 605 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: We needed to try to figure out what he was 606 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: going to do and by staying there. You know, the 607 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: other hunting group had left with about two hours left 608 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: in the day. Well guess what. We stayed there until 609 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: dark and the bowl beagle an hour before dark after 610 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: those guys left. So I was able to to you know, 611 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: get that bowl to bogle again. We knew he'd be 612 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: there in the morning, and we went back in there 613 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: that next morning and killed it. So be very persistent. 614 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: Don't just give up on things that you know, don't 615 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: go your way. You know, it was the last day 616 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: of the hunt, and I was able to kill that, 617 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, the best bowl of my life by just 618 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: going back and you know, just putting time into that 619 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: elk and not want to change, not go to a 620 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: new area, I think, and I had screwed it up, 621 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: held tough and made it work. Twenty fourteen Idaho Bowl. 622 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: This was my first trip out of state from Washington 623 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of when you know, started to hunt elsewhere. And 624 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: we could still buy tags in Idaho over the counter 625 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: back then, so we showed up. It was a relatively 626 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: new area. We did some on X scouting and did 627 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: some of that. So when we showed up to the area, 628 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: we we there were other hunters at the trailhead. I'm 629 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: not I'm not ashamed to say that. I'll talk to 630 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: anybody around us. Hey, how's hunting going. You've seen any 631 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: good bulls? What's the action like? Are they talking? Well, 632 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: this guy right off the bat says, you know, up 633 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: and you know around blah blah blah mountain. We've had 634 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: a couple of good bulls going. We just can't seem 635 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: to make it work. And you know, this area is good. 636 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: The wolves have moved over into this area. So use 637 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: use whatever people are willing to give you now. You know, 638 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: if that guy says like, we're going back in there, 639 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: we didn't end up going into their spot. It was 640 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: it was good for me to end up saying, all right, 641 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: at this mountain, this sort of an area, this sort 642 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: of elevation, these these elk are talking. You know, it 643 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: just gives you some ideas on what's going on. You know, 644 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: A couple of days later, uh, he said, I'm out 645 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: of here. We're leaving, Like, if you want to go 646 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: in there, go ahead. We didn't end up going in 647 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: there because I killed my bowl that day and then 648 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: Charlie we were able to get on some you know, 649 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: elk in a different spot, but we just went in 650 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: there covered as much ground as possible. So we had 651 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: a plan. We were gonna walk ridges, we were gonna 652 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: walk some road systems, some gated off road systems, and 653 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: we were just gonna cover as much of that ground 654 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: as possible, try to get it figured out and then 655 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, figure out where the elkra at and then 656 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and then go from there. 657 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: So I was able to get a bull to bugle. 658 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: We went on a little six mile jaunt, got back 659 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: to the truck, didn't really have any great success yet, 660 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: but we're like, hey, we're on this long road system, 661 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: nobody's hunting it. Let's just bugle occasionally off of the 662 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: road into a big giant canyon. I don't remember for 663 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: his our third or fourth bugle. All I know is 664 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: Charlie was eating a bag of purple skittles. And every 665 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: time I would think I heard a bugle, I would 666 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: hear the crunching bag of purple skittles or him chewing 667 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: on purple skittles. And I remember getting out of the 668 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: truck because he's driving me nuts, and listened a little 669 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: bit better, and sure enough we got a bigle to 670 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, a bowl of bugle. So we went and 671 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: dropped the trailer, came back, and this is a good 672 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: instance of if you can get a bowl to do 673 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: what the bull wants to do, it's going to be 674 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: easier to call him in. And I'm jumping ahead a 675 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: little bit here. This bull was going up the drainage 676 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: and you could hear it between bugles. He was going 677 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: up to drainage and we were gonna have to come 678 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: in behind him because of the wind. At that point. 679 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: He was in a it had a flowing creek. It 680 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: was the sun was starting to go down in a 681 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: steep canyon, and we knew the wind was going to 682 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: be getting sucked down the canyon, so we had to 683 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: come in behind him. But he was trying to travel 684 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: up it, which is smart. You know, he's keeping the 685 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: wind in his face, doing goods, you know, making goods 686 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: smart elk decisions. So we had to come in behind 687 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: him trying to relocate him. I mentioned earlier one of 688 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: the biggest mistakes is calling away into elk. He was 689 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: moving so fast. I did elect to call to this 690 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: elk on our way in you know, location bagle, nothing 691 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: cow call with my diaphragm. Nothing and one of the 692 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: reasons I carry all these ELK calls is back then 693 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: I was using the easy estress. I cranked on that 694 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: and he fired off instantly, so I knew he had 695 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: heard the bugle, didn't answer. I knew he had heard 696 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: the cow call with diaphragms, but he liked the sound 697 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: of that easy estress. So we move in another one 698 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards. This is a big canyon, so 699 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: it's taken us a while to make up this ground. 700 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Move forward. I want to know where he's that one 701 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: more time, thinking the bowl. Well, maybe now he'll answer bugle. 702 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: Maybe now he'll answer an easy estress or you know, 703 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: a diaphragm cow call. Nothing hammer's on easy estress. So 704 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: it's like one of those things. If I hadn't had 705 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: that call, we may have never been able to kind 706 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: of complete this call in. So of those reasons why 707 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: I carry multiple calls on some of these hunts. So 708 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: back to it's easier to do it's easier to call 709 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: ELK in if they're doing what they want to do. 710 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: So that means if an ELK wants to go from 711 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: point A to B, I don't want to call him 712 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: from point b back to a if that makes any sense. 713 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: So I want to get in front of him. I 714 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: want to get alongside of him if the wind allows. 715 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 2: And do that. 716 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: So this hunt, we had to change shut ups, setups 717 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: multiple multiple times because that bull wanted to keep going 718 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: up the creek and we were trying to catch up 719 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: to him, kind of coming up behind him. So we 720 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: set up multiple times trying to get that ball to 721 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: come in, and finally we were able to put enough 722 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: pressure on him to get him to come in. That 723 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: was one of the bulls that I shot on a 724 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: on a pretty heavy quartering to more of a frontel 725 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: but a slightly quartering, you know. On that one, we 726 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: had to set up in some pretty tight quarters and 727 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: some brush. But changing setups and you know, putting pressure 728 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: on that bowl is really what kind of change that 729 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: scenario to the positive, because that bowl was very, very 730 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: hesitant to come. In twenty eighteen, Idaho, some Idaho was 731 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: on fire that year, our original hunting you know spot 732 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: was on fire. Thankfully, back then we could still change 733 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: units because we hadn't bought our tags yet. So something 734 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: we don't talk a lot about and sometimes we're too 735 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: tired to do, but on that hunt, we did some 736 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: night bugling. I did some night bugling prior to my 737 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: buddies showing up on this hunt, and I got three 738 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: or four, I don't remember, five, six maybe bulls the bugle, 739 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: and so I started making pins on my on on 740 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: x is as I got bulls to bagle and where 741 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: they were bugled from and about how far I thought. Well, 742 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: the next couple of days we hunted and it was 743 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: very very hot and dry year, you know, for the 744 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: reason there were fires. The majority of the vegetation above 745 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: tree line had burnt up either been burnt been ravaged 746 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: by you know, sheep that had been you know in 747 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: the area, and it just wasn't good. So we had 748 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: to become smart elk hunters. Right, if the elk can't maintain, 749 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: if they don't got food, if they don't got water, 750 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be here, no matter if that's where 751 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: they want to be during September or not. They've got 752 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: to survive. They've got to find water. And I had 753 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: the idea that there are elk around because I've heard 754 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: them bugling at night, and so the night biggling kind 755 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: of save that hunt because I maybe would have pulled 756 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: anchor and went and tried complete different area within the unit. 757 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: So we realized what the elk really needed. They were 758 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: able to give up their preferred food, their perfood bedding, 759 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: their preferred running areas because they needed water. You know, 760 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: elk haf to water daily, if not multiple times a 761 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: day during the rut and not hot weather. So we adapted. 762 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: We moved where we wanted to hunt. We were in 763 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: Timber a lot more, but we we went and found 764 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: the elk. You know when calling this bowl in so 765 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: this is actually my buddy Tyson's bowl. We were able 766 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: to spot some elk. We were up early, we weren't, 767 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: you know, sleeping in. We spotted a bowl pushing a 768 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: cow over a ridge. It basically the first bit of 769 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: light that we could. It was barely daylight enough for 770 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: it to happen, but we spotted elk and that really 771 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: got that whole day started. So we had a pretty 772 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: good jaunt, you know, hour and a half hike up 773 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: to that ridge line to get up and over there, 774 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: and there was a major retfest going on the backside, 775 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: which is exactly what we needed. We moved in. We 776 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: let them do the talking. We didn't have to make 777 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: a peep, so a little bit of shock and awe 778 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: as we got in on this setup. We the elk 779 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: had no idea we lived there. The thermals had switched 780 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: coming up into us because we had to climb up 781 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: to the ridge. It was just an ideal setup until 782 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: we got down to where the elk were bedded, and 783 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 1: the amount, the distance of shooting lanes, the distance of 784 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, an aerowaut getting hit by brush was very very. 785 00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: Tight. You know. 786 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: We we had five to ten yard shooting windows. So 787 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: we finally found an area that was as good as 788 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: it got in some of this big timber. We had 789 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: about fifteen yard shooting lanes and I needed to set up. 790 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: I like to be able to set up so I 791 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: can see my shooter and then hopefully I'll be able 792 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: to see, you know, an elk and be able to 793 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: react to them. So Tyson got set up and I 794 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: backed up only about ten or fifteen feet above him 795 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: and started to call. 796 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 2: It, call a herd bull. 797 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: In We had a spike that come in kind of 798 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: check us out, and then the herd bull kind of 799 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: started ripping up up the hill. We were able to 800 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: get within about I'm guessing one hundred yards of where 801 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: they were betted, but we couldn't get any closer due 802 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: to the brush and the proximity of where those elk 803 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: were betted. So this bull comes in fairly quickly, but 804 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: it's so brushy. He gets about the twenty yards and 805 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: Tyson needs him at about fifteen yards to have a 806 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: legit shot, and the bull loses interest and starts to 807 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: head back to his cows, which is typical. They will 808 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: come check it out. They should expect to see you there. 809 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: If not, they're going to turn. 810 00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 2: Well. 811 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: Fortunately, as the caller, I was able to see him 812 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: turn and head away from us, and I instantly hammered 813 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: him with a lipball. I was able to, you know, 814 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: see how aggressive he was on his on his way in. 815 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: I knew that I could probably take advantage of a 816 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: very aggressive lip ball that was you know, twenty yards 817 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: away from him, and that bowl on a dime, flipped 818 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: an additional one eighty in the direction he was, and 819 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: he came right back in. He broke through the brush, 820 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: kind of pushes his head through, and Tyson was able 821 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: to make a great shot at fifteen yards. But if 822 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to see that elk or 823 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: if Tyson wouldn't have been able to communicate to me, 824 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: we would have never killed that bowl. So there's a 825 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: great reason why I think the coller needs to be 826 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: sometimes close, and the caller also needs to be close 827 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: in order to create a. 828 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: Threat for that bowl. 829 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: If I'd have been backed up a lot from that, 830 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, now the bowl that's close to your herd 831 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: is one hundred and fifty yards away and not one 832 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: hundred yards away. And and you know, so sometimes I'm 833 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: a big I'm a big you know, a big fan 834 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: of having that collar right on top of the hunter. 835 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: That way, you're not creating any more separation because you 836 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: exponentially going to have better call ins or more successful 837 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: call ins when that caller is right on top of 838 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: the shooter at times. And sometimes, you know, another thing 839 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: we took from this hunt is a setup wasn't optimal. 840 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: But you have to take what's given to you, your relation, 841 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: your distance from the elk, your you know, the best 842 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: shot opportunities you're gonna have, and sometimes you just have 843 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: to make that work. Yeah, I would love to be 844 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: able to shoot thirty yards in there, but it wasn't possible, 845 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, set up and uh, we made it work 846 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: the best we could. So twenty twenty three Oregon Bowl. 847 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: This is a story I don't like to tell, but 848 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: once again, it's one of those times where you need 849 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: to be, you know, as skilled as possible. You know, 850 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to be a one trick pony, so 851 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: to speak. And twenty twenty three, So last year I 852 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a mental breakdown. It's big country, 853 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: it was rough. We had put in some tough rough days. 854 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: But finally about day eight I had to kind of 855 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: kick myself in the butt and say, stop trying to 856 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: find an easy one. Yeah, there were elk all over 857 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: through the unit, but the easy ones were having more pressure. 858 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: The easy ones. You had heard more people bugle from 859 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: the road. The easy ones were not going to be 860 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: as likely to come in compared to the harder elk 861 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: that I was able to find. Yeah, the harder elk 862 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: were maybe less dense in areas, they were maybe harder 863 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: to get to. I was going to burn more energy 864 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: to get them. But on that twenty twenty three hunt 865 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: we had the I kind of had to just question myself, like, 866 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: why are you trying to find an easy one? This 867 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: isn't you know typical let's go find a difficult elk, 868 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: and uh, it really kind of helped. And that goes 869 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: along with pressure. There was a ton of pressure on 870 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: this twenty twenty three Oregon hunt, you know, people claiming areas, 871 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: people in areas, and so I really just had to, 872 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, make an effort to go find elk 873 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: that I knew other people weren't hunting, and it kind 874 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: of you know, turn turn the corner on the hunt. 875 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: But it was it was still still difficult. And so 876 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: when we we stopped trying to find an easy one, 877 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: we had made an effort to chase every bugle and 878 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: all this deep ground things just weren't working. Trying to 879 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,439 Speaker 1: run my system of being a you know, a pressure hunter, 880 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: you know, put pressure on the elk, get close to him. 881 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: Bugle wouldn't work. We'd bump something, we would you know, 882 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: the elk would just pick up and leave. All right, 883 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: let's get real tight, and so on that day I 884 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: ended up killing. We had dropped thirty seven hundred feet 885 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: and climbed thirty seven hundred feet chasing bugles, so we 886 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: would get in tight, we would go to cow calls. 887 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: Same result just wasn't working. So as a hunter, that's 888 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, a hunter that loves to call elk, that 889 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: takes pride in being able to call elk. I had 890 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: just got my tailkicked for nine days straight, and so 891 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: that evening I was able to locate a bowl with 892 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: a location bugle, so that was acceptable. We had to 893 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 1: make a we had to make a move, so we 894 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: had to come in from a different direction. During the 895 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: little drive where we kind of bumped around, I said, 896 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not grabbing my pack and I'm 897 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 1: not grabbing my calls. 898 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear my. 899 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: Chest harness with a rangefinder. We're not using calls where 900 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to use a call to keep 901 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: him buggling. We're just going to go completely silent and 902 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: if it works, it works. If not, then I'm gonna 903 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: probably be cussing myself and wishing that I had called. 904 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: So this bowl continues to bugle throughout the evening. We 905 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: have about an hour left, so we're trying to really 906 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: beat feet up there, get set up and on that one. 907 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: This was the first bowl I've ever killed that I 908 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: didn't call in. We were able to slowly work our 909 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: way in. 910 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 2: We were able to. 911 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: Spot a cow up ahead of us by slowly, you know, 912 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: scanning the area. I was able to spot some horns 913 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,919 Speaker 1: to the grass. I was able to kind of figure 914 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 1: out how he is oriented. I was able to figure 915 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: out where to put his head behind a tree, and 916 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: we just literally crawled, you know, walked and crawled to 917 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: within forty yards of this bowl. So why sometimes I 918 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: take a lot of pride and being able to call 919 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: it again. I also want to find success in any 920 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: way that there is, and on this one, we just adapted. 921 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: We put the calls away. We want to be able 922 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: to use all of those tools in our toolbox, and 923 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, I was able to make it happen on 924 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: that bowl. So that's kind of my wrap up. I 925 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: just wanted to kind of walk through those things and 926 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: to kind of bring all that together. There are things 927 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: we do on every hunt, and a lot of it 928 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: comes from the gut. 929 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 2: You know. 930 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: We sit on this podcast, we sit in seminars and 931 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: we're able to draw up these perfect cookie cutter little 932 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: scenarios and. 933 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 2: The real. 934 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: In the real world and the real Elk woods, it 935 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: just doesn't work like that. There's little pieces of information 936 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: that I would be here for an hour trying to 937 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: explain the entire scenario, like, oh, there was another bowl 938 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,439 Speaker 1: three undred yards way down the ridge, and we maybe 939 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 1: heard a cow over here, and earlier that morning we had, 940 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, seen somebody on the road a half mile down. Like, 941 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: all of those things come into play that will eventually 942 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: like help us make decisions, but these were This was 943 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: just to show you that on all of these things, 944 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: to be a successful, a complete elk hunter, you need 945 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: to be able to use all this information you know 946 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: to help you be successful. You know, you know scouting, 947 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: you know being aggressive, you know bark, you know, sitting water, 948 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. 949 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: All of this. 950 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: Stuff at times is is what allows me to be 951 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: successful and and not necessarily you know, the same thing 952 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: over and over, if that makes any sense. So I 953 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: really appreciate all of you tuning into this episode of 954 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance. Elk season is a month and a 955 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: half away, so I hope you guys are all, you know, 956 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: shooting your bows, getting your calls tuned in, just getting ready. 957 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: It's it's, in my opinion, the best month of the year. 958 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,439 Speaker 1: Look forward to it every every season. And thanks again 959 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 1: for tuning in to Cutting the Distance, and we'll catch 960 00:44:34,360 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: you on the next episode,